Gun Control: prohibiting the gun goofballs from carrying a shotgun.
List of places where Gun Control works:
- U.S. Capitol Building
- GW Bush rallys
- all U.S. Post Offices
- all Federal Courthouses
- all commercial airplanes
- all commercial airline terminals
- ...
Others?
(he he he... pissing off the gun goofballs who deny Gun Control works...)
;-)
--
Blattus Slafaly ? 3 :) 7/8
> List of places where Gun Control works:
> - U.S. Capitol Building
Except of course for the congressional aides who arrive armed with
Uzis and other guns illegal for rest of population that he "forgot"
were in the bag!
> - GW Bush rallys
And a good thing guns are banned too! Otherwise, people might start
giving political speeches outside designated "free speech zones"!
> - all U.S. Post Offices
"Gun control' has worked so well in post office buildings that the
expression "going postal" has been added to the dictionary!!!
> - all Federal Courthouses
apparently works really well to keep judges from being attacked for
administering what passes for "justice" these days....NOT!
> - all commercial airplanes
Where the elimination of any effective defense allowed 9/11 to occur
with no other "weapon" than box cutters. Of course now pilots can be
armed even though gun-grabbers like Dr. West had a cow trying to stop
the policy. Gosh, no more box cutter attacks flying planes into big
buildings. Wonder why that was? Just a coincidence I'm sure.
> - all commercial airline terminals
Which is of course the ULTIMATE expression of "gun control": Gestapo
goons walking around all armed with fully automatic machine guns and
sub machine guns capable of spraying innocent people with bullets by
the hundreds per minute, people able to be held, searched and
interrogated without any charges or reason at the whim of authorities
while Those in Power and other VIPs zip through lines and waiting
without question to show the large divide between the ruling class and
the proles. Yep, it's Comrade West's police state model wet dream for
sure.
> Others?
>
> (he he he... pissing off the gun goofballs who deny Gun Control works...)
> ;-)
Who's pissed? We only feel pity that someone supposedly so "educated"
can be so ignorant.
Moron.
;-)
Because guns DO work in those areas! :)
List of places where gun control works as liberals really desire:
German Empire/Greater German Empire (1933-45)
Reichs Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia (1939-45)
Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (1918-91)
People's Republic of China (1949-)
Republic of Cuba
Democratic Kampuchea (1975-79)
Socialist Republic of Vietnam
People's Republic of Poland
United Mexican States
Detroit
> (he he he... pissing off the gun goofballs who deny Gun Control works...)
> ;-)
Regards, PLMerite
--
"Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil is not overcome by fleeing
from it." - Jeff Cooper
>List of places where Gun Control works:
> - U.S. Capitol Building
There's people with guns there.
> - GW Bush rallys
There's people with guns there.
> - all U.S. Post Offices
Ha Ha Ha Ha There's people with guns there. Where'd the term, "going
postal", come from?
> - all Federal Courthouses
There's people with guns there.
> - all commercial airplanes
There's air Marshals with guns there. And who stopped three planes
from hitting major buildings?
> - all commercial airline terminals
There's people with guns there.
> - ...
>
>Others?
So.... by you're reasoning, we should all walk around with armed
guards?
Hor...@Horvath.net
My T-shirt says, "This shirt is the
ultimate power in the universe."
> List of places where Gun Control works:
> - U.S. Capitol Building
> - GW Bush rallys
> - all U.S. Post Offices
> - all Federal Courthouses
> - all commercial airplanes
> - all commercial airline terminals
> - ...
You're either new on this planet or have never read a newspaper in
your life.
> Others?
You left out public schools.
--
Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | be...@iphouse.com
Sure it does. Might I point out that not only does this work only
for those who obey those laws, but that the only valid rationale for
guncontrol: reducing or eliminating crime, doesn't seem to be working
either.
> - U.S. Capitol Building
> - GW Bush rallys
> - all U.S. Post Offices
> - all Federal Courthouses
> - all commercial airplanes
> - all commercial airline terminals
> - ...
Plus:
- all malls
- all schools
- all churches
- all 7/11s (and other 'convenience' stores)
- all 'gun free' zones
"If gun laws in fact worked, the sponsors of this type of
legislation should have no difficulty drawing upon long lists of examples
of crime rates reduced by such legislation. That they cannot do so after a
century and a half of trying, that they must sweep under the rug the
southern attempts at gun control in the 1870-1910 period, the northeastern
attempts in the 1920-1939 period, and the attempts at both Federal and
State levels in 1965-1976 - establishes the repeated, complete, and
inevitable failure of gun laws to control crime." --Senator Orrin G. Hatch
(R-Utah)
Quoted from "The Right to Keep and Bear Arms, Report of the Senate
Subcommittee on the Constitution," Washington: U.S. Government Printing
Office, February 1982, p. vii.
--
ji...@sonic.net
Hmmmm, possibly they are afraid that the gun control laws won't stop
those with bad intentions? ;)
--
RD (The Sandman)
War is absolute hell.....but to give in
to terrorism is much, much worse
> Gun Control: prohibiting the gun goofballs from carrying a shotgun.
>
> List of places where Gun Control works:
> - U.S. Capitol Building
> - GW Bush rallys
> - all U.S. Post Offices
> - all Federal Courthouses
> - all commercial airplanes
> - all commercial airline terminals
> - ...
>
> Others?
>
>
> (he he he... pissing off the gun goofballs who deny Gun Control works...)
So you are saying that gun control works only in those areas which are
essentially police lockdowns with limited or no rights. Where random and and
systematic searches are the rule. Where one stands in line to show one's
papers for admittance.
Want to live there?
And it's not exactly perfectly safe there ether (this list, from WIKI, shows
only those murders by post office workers):
a.. August 19, 1983, Johnston, South Carolina: Perry Smith, a resigned
USPS employee, charged into a postal office with a 12-gauge shotgun and
began firing at workers in a hall, killing the postmaster and wounding two
other employees.[1]
a.. August 20, 1986, Edmond, Oklahoma: Patrick Sherrill, a part-time
letter carrier, enters the Edmond Postal Office and fatally shoots 14
employees and wounds another six. He subsequently committed suicide.
a.. August 10, 1989, Escondido, California: John Merlin Taylor kills wife,
then two colleagues and self at Orange Glen post office.
a.. October 11, 1991: fired postal worker Joseph M. Harris kills his
ex-supervisor and her boyfriend at their home in Wayne, New Jersey, then
kills two former colleagues as they arrive at the Ridgewood, New Jersey post
office where they all previously worked together. According to "Today in
Rotten History," Harris was initially armed with an Uzi, pipe bomb, and
"samurai sword" and was later arrested garbed in a ninja's outfit and gas
mask. [1] He was convicted of murder and sentenced to death. He died on
death row in 1996. [2]
a.. November 14, 1991, Royal Oak, Michigan: fired postal worker Thomas
McIlvane kills four, wounds five, kills self.
a.. May 6, 1993, Orange County, California: Fired postal worker Mark
Richard Hilbun kills his mother, then shoots two workers at Dana Point post
office, killing one. Serving life term.
a.. May 6, 1993, Dearborn, Michigan: Postal worker Larry Jasion kills one,
wounds three, then kills self at a post office garage.
a.. March 21, 1995, Montclair, New Jersey: former postal worker
Christopher Green, highly indebted, kills four and one while robbing post
office. Serving life term.
a.. July 9, 1995, City of Industry, California: postal worker Bruce
William Clark kills supervisor with gun he concealed in paper sack. Serving
22 years for second-degree murder.
a.. September 2, 1997, Miami Beach, Florida: 21-year postal employee Jesus
Antonio Tamayo shoots ex-wife and friend, whom he saw waiting in line, then
killed himself.
a.. April 17, 1998, Dallas, Texas: letter carrier Maceo Yarbough III
fatally shoots a clerk after an argument. Found not guilty of murder by
reason of insanity, ordered to mental health facility.
a.. January 30, 2006, Goleta, California: former mail processor Jennifer
San Marco, 44, kills six employees (five immediately, another died later. A
possible seventh victim, a former neighbor, was found dead in her apartment
and has yet to be confirmed to be of the same shooting. Marco committed
suicide at the sorting facility. [2][3][4]
a.. April 4, 2006, Baker City, Oregon: Letter carrier Grant Gallaher
entered the federal building in this Eastern Oregon city Tuesday afternoon
intending to kill postmaster Michael McGuire. Unable to find McGuire,
Gallaher left the building and shot 49-year-old co-worker Lori Hayes-Kotter
several times at close range. Gallaher had been a postal employee for 13
years and Hayes-Kotter for 17.
As well as secret service, DC police, federal agents, and of course all
those Congressmen who are sworn in as "deputy US Marshels"
Oh, we shouldn't inject facts into his mindless ignorant rant.
>
>> - GW Bush rallys
>
> And a good thing guns are banned too! Otherwise, people might start
> giving political speeches outside designated "free speech zones"!
Secret Sevice?
>> - all U.S. Post Offices
>
> "Gun control' has worked so well in post office buildings that the
> expression "going postal" has been added to the dictionary!!!
That plus if one actually checks the regulations, carry in post offices IS,
at least technically, legal.
>> - all Federal Courthouses
>
> apparently works really well to keep judges from being attacked for
> administering what passes for "justice" these days....NOT!
Must have missed the baliffes and police officers.
>> - all commercial airplanes
>
> Where the elimination of any effective defense allowed 9/11 to occur
> with no other "weapon" than box cutters. Of course now pilots can be
> armed even though gun-grabbers like Dr. West had a cow trying to stop
> the policy. Gosh, no more box cutter attacks flying planes into big
> buildings. Wonder why that was? Just a coincidence I'm sure.
Pilots anyone?
>> - all commercial airline terminals
>
> Which is of course the ULTIMATE expression of "gun control": Gestapo
> goons walking around all armed with fully automatic machine guns and
> sub machine guns capable of spraying innocent people with bullets by
> the hundreds per minute, people able to be held, searched and
> interrogated without any charges or reason at the whim of authorities
> while Those in Power and other VIPs zip through lines and waiting
> without question to show the large divide between the ruling class and
> the proles. Yep, it's Comrade West's police state model wet dream for
> sure.
Airport security?
>> Others?
>>
>> (he he he... pissing off the gun goofballs who deny Gun Control works...)
>> ;-)
>
> Who's pissed? We only feel pity that someone supposedly so "educated"
> can be so ignorant.
Clearly is unaware of all the people who do legally carry guns in ALL those
places.
> Regards, PLMerite
East German Democratic Republic
North Korea too
>"Benj" <bja...@iwaynet.net> wrote in message
>news:6abaccd2-f1a4-4944...@a23g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>> On Apr 7, 11:32 am, "Dr. James West, Ph.D." <n...@nobull.com> wrote: >>
>Dr. James West, Ph.D. wrote:
>>
>>> List of places where Gun Control works:
>>> - U.S. Capitol Building
>>
>> Except of course for the congressional aides who arrive armed with
>> Uzis and other guns illegal for rest of population that he "forgot"
>> were in the bag!
>As well as secret service, DC police, federal agents, and of course all
>those Congressmen who are sworn in as "deputy US Marshels"
>Oh, we shouldn't inject facts into his mindless ignorant rant.
Gun control does not mean the complete disarming of everyone. It means
keeping guns out of the hands of angry, disaffected, nuts. And you're
here whining like one.
>Dr. James West, Ph.D. wrote:
>> Jim Bianchi wrote:
>>> Dr. James West, Ph.D. wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yep. Thanks for the info. I see your point. It is that we should all be
>>>> able to carry shotguns wherever we go if we feel we need protection, right?
>>>> Say to a GW Bush rally...we should all be able to take shotguns with us, right?
>>>
>>> [ evasive crap snipped ]
>>
>> You are unable to address the point of you wanting the "right" to carry
>> a shotgun wherever you want...wherever you feel you might be threatened, including
>> a GW Bush rally or inside the U.S. Capitol.
>>
>> You are extremists goofballs who see no middle ground. i.e. you are the fringe.
>
>
>Gun Control: prohibiting the gun goofballs from carrying a shotgun.
>
>List of places where Gun Control works:
> - U.S. Capitol Building
> - GW Bush rallys
> - all U.S. Post Offices
All U.S. Post Offices? You sure about that, Jimmy?
> Gun control does not mean the complete disarming of everyone. It means
> keeping guns out of the hands of angry, disaffected, nuts. And you're
> here whining like one.
BINGO! "gun control" has NEVER meant the total banning of firearms!
Just ask Sarah Brady. It's about "keeping guns out of the wrong
hands"! And "wrong hands" does NOT means the ruling class and those
in power, their agents or police representatives with sworn allegiance
to the power elite. As you can see by the above disingenuous charges,
the "wrong hands" means the average citizens of any country. Who
obviously, because of the actions of the ruling class, are angry,
disaffected and insane. Therefore the only "sensible" rule is to
totally disarm all subjects in a country to protect the emperor/king/
dictator/ruler/ultimate executive and his minions.
"cjskfn", the anonymous pussy, has summed it all up quite nicely for
us.
You lefties are SO transparent!
Pssst! Haven't you heard? Your "envy of the world" the magnificent
USSR has crashed and burned along with all hopes of your leftist ideas
ever being a viable social system.
Wherever you live.
Bill Clarke
> On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 08:32:39 -0700, Dr. James West, Ph.D. wrote:
>
>>Dr. James West, Ph.D. wrote:
>>
>>>Jim Bianchi wrote:
>>>
>>>>Dr. James West, Ph.D. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Yep. Thanks for the info. I see your point. It is that we should all be
>>>>>able to carry shotguns wherever we go if we feel we need protection, right?
>>>>>Say to a GW Bush rally...we should all be able to take shotguns with us, right?
>>>>
>>>>[ evasive crap snipped ]
>>>
>>>You are unable to address the point of you wanting the "right" to carry a
>>>shotgun wherever you want...wherever you feel you might be threatened,
>>>including a GW Bush rally or inside the U.S. Capitol.
>>>
>>>You are extremists goofballs who see no middle ground. i.e. you are the
>>>fringe.
>>
>>Gun Control: prohibiting the gun goofballs from carrying a shotgun.
>>
>>List of places where Gun Control works:
>>
>> - U.S. Capitol Building
>> - GW Bush rallys
>> - all U.S. Post Offices
>> - all Federal Courthouses
>> - all commercial airplanes
>> - all commercial airline terminals
>> - ...
>
> Plus:
> - all malls
Really? Malls are "private" property, so surely there must be somewhere
one gun goofball who owns a mall, allowing fellow goofballs to tote shotguns there, eh?
> - all schools
> - all churches
> - all 7/11s (and other 'convenience' stores)
> - all 'gun free' zones
hmmm, isn't there a church somewhere with a gun goofball pastor?
Branch Dividians?
he he he... ;-)
- all public universities
- all public schools, k-12
- all state capitol buildings
- all large city downtown sidewalks
- 99.999999999% of private businesses
Then such a place would not be public and not a mall.
Peter Skelton
Not banned there. Restricted exept where state law makes it legal for
lawful purposes.
> - all Federal Courthouses
> - all commercial airplanes
> - all commercial airline terminals
> - ...
>
> Others?
Gun control NEVER works unless there are metal detectors and armed
guards -- competent armed guards and no exceptions to the pass through
the metal detectors.
Even then it is a violation of human and civil rights. "Works" would argue
for deleting the 4th and 5th Amendment protections just as easily as for
ignoring the protections offered by the 2nd Amendment.
>List of places where Gun Control works:
I suppose you'd have to define the term "works". I know of no
scientific study that shows gun control, or the lack thereof, makes a
shred of difference in the overall crime rate.
Now, it does correlate; however, crime rates have always been
cyclical; they ebb and flow like the tide. When the rate is low,
societies don't change gun laws; as they climb, people want to *do*
something, thus they modify the laws WRT weapons, either banning them
or enacting CCW. Whichever they do, the rate subsequently drops.
They may as well have passed a law at high tide requiring it to
recede... and, when it does so, cite that law as effective.
My point is that the crime rates drive gun laws, not visa versa.
Jones
What you've just said is completely sensible. You will, very likely,
be mercilessly flamed for it. From both sides, with any luck.
Bill Smith
Faith, n, Belief without evidence, in what is said by one who speaks
without knowledge, of things without parallel.
Ambrose Bierce
Drivel snipped
http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj227/REN237/KennedyCar1.jpg
> hmmm, isn't there a church somewhere with a gun goofball pastor?
>
> Branch Dividians?
>
> he he he... ;-)
Why is it that all fascist gun-grabbers find the murder of women,
children, and especially Christians by government agents to be such a
wonderful "joke"? You really "care" about victims of crime fer sure!
Brown shirt.
As for the rest of your list, all of these are places that you must go
through a series of intrusive searches & inspections of your person & your
belongings ,with regards to the rest of your list all but the GW Bush
rallies all have seen acts of criminality with firearms. The number of
crimes in the places you site are lower only because of the searches of
persons & their effects of all persons wishing to enter the area. I
certainly hope you are not advocating that the government be allowed to set
up such invasive methods at say random street corners to search through
peoples belongings without any probable cause.
Please also keep the fact in mind that the courts of this country have
repeatedly determined that the government does not have the duty to protect
any specific citizen/resident from any particular harm ie police/fire dept.
are there to protect the community in general & no one person in particular.
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He was one of "the children" born from his sister.
Looks like all you accomplished was stunning everyone with how utterly
STUPID you are.
Well, he is gay, and from Canada after all.
"Dr. James West, Ph.D." IS "Prof. Poofter Jonez" after all.
In typical psyco-liberal fashion, from one extreme to the other, eh?
Got news for ya, bub.
There's lots of shades of grey.
I work my ranch and with the high incedence of rabies as well as
predation on my livestock, I ALWAYS have a gun when I walk out the
door, EXCEPT when I'm heading to town. (got a rifle in my truck,
though).
Although I have killed varmints in protection of my person and
livestock, I've never ACCIDENTLY or CRIMINALLY shot ANYTHING that
wasn't LEGAL and JUSTIFIED.
MOST gun owners are the same.
So, I won't make generalizations about Lazy Laute' Liberals if you
stop making generalizations about gun owners.
Deal?
Regards,
Rider
Did that mean his brother was his father, or his uncle? =8P
I shoulda known his Ph.D. was in Penis....
AND he's a Socialist Canadian....
Why does ANYBODY even bother to listen to Canadians?
'cause they're watching a hockey game, eh?
redc1c4
(just a SWAG on my part.... %-)
--
"Enlisted men are stupid, but extremely cunning and sly, and bear
considerable watching."
Army Officer's Guide
Darlin', are you saying that someone would shoot the poor dear?
Rita
Oh my ... for a minute there ... I had a flashback. My first personal
experience with PTSD as a toddler when I first watched the movie
Bambi ..%)
- nilita
He's the son of her father?
--
RD (The Sandman)
War is absolute hell.....but to give in
to terrorism is much, much worse
On 4/9/08 6:16 PM, in article Xns9A7BA591...@216.196.97.136, "RD
(The Sandman)" <rdsandma...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Tony Levin <KingC...@Bass.gov.> wrote in news:47fbafa1$0$15175
> $607e...@cv.net:
>
>> Benj wrote:
>>> On Apr 8, 7:32 am, "Dr. James West, Ph.D." <n...@nobull.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> hmmm, isn't there a church somewhere with a gun goofball pastor?
>>>>
>>>> Branch Dividians?
>>>>
>>>> he he he... ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>> Why is it that all fascist gun-grabbers find the murder of women,
>>> children, and especially Christians by government agents to be such a
>>> wonderful "joke"? You really "care" about victims of crime fer sure!
>>
>> He was one of "the children" born from his sister.
>
> He's the son of her father?
>
>
Gun control will not turn a killer Into a saint, but without gun, a lot of
killing might result In far less casualties. Take the VT shooting as a
example, If the guy were only armed with a machete, he would still hurt
somebody, he might have killed someone, but I don't think he could have
killed so many.....
Cite please that gun control has ever been shown to have a causal effect in
reducing the homicide rate.
> Take the VT shooting as a
> example, If the guy were only armed with a machete, he would still hurt
> somebody, he might have killed someone, but I don't think he could have
> killed so many.....
Or if he had made bombs he could have killed a lot more.......
We can play "what if" all day long, but the simple fact is that gun control
has NEVER been shown to have any effect on reducing homicide rates or
violent crime rates.
And if he were armed with propane bombs (ingredients available at any
Home Depot or Lowes) he could have killed a lot more. What's really your
point?
> Dr. James West, Ph.D. wrote:
>> Jim Bianchi wrote:
>>> Dr. James West, Ph.D. wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yep. Thanks for the info. I see your point. It is that we should
>>>> all be able to carry shotguns wherever we go if we feel we need
>>>> protection, right? Say to a GW Bush rally...we should all be able to
>>>> take shotguns with us, right?
>>>
>>> [ evasive crap snipped ]
>>
>> You are unable to address the point of you wanting the "right" to carry
>> a shotgun wherever you want...wherever you feel you might be threatened,
>> including a GW Bush rally or inside the U.S. Capitol.
>>
>> You are extremists goofballs who see no middle ground. i.e. you are the
>> fringe.
>
>
> Gun Control: prohibiting the gun goofballs from carrying a shotgun.
>
> List of places where Gun Control works:
> - U.S. Capitol Building
> - GW Bush rallys
> - all U.S. Post Offices
> - all Federal Courthouses
> - all commercial airplanes
> - all commercial airline terminals
> - ...
>
> Others?
>
>
> (he he he... pissing off the gun goofballs who deny Gun Control works...)
> ;-)
>
South Africa?
Frank Tauss
> And if he were armed with propane bombs (ingredients available at any
> Home Depot or Lowes) he could have killed a lot more. What's really your
> point?
>
That is too sophisticated for your street punk.
Andrew Swallow
On 4/9/08 6:30 PM, in article PkcLj.8887$qB1.2329@trnddc07, "Scout"
<me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>
> "Jack Wang" <xinq...@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:C422B98D.E08%xinq...@cox.net...
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4/9/08 6:16 PM, in article Xns9A7BA591...@216.196.97.136, "RD
>> (The Sandman)" <rdsandma...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Tony Levin <KingC...@Bass.gov.> wrote in news:47fbafa1$0$15175
>>> $607e...@cv.net:
>>>
>>>> Benj wrote:
>>>>> On Apr 8, 7:32 am, "Dr. James West, Ph.D." <n...@nobull.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> hmmm, isn't there a church somewhere with a gun goofball pastor?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Branch Dividians?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> he he he... ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Why is it that all fascist gun-grabbers find the murder of women,
>>>>> children, and especially Christians by government agents to be such a
>>>>> wonderful "joke"? You really "care" about victims of crime fer sure!
>>>>
>>>> He was one of "the children" born from his sister.
>>>
>>> He's the son of her father?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Gun control will not turn a killer Into a saint, but without gun, a lot of
>> killing might result In far less casualties.
>
> Cite please that gun control has ever been shown to have a causal effect in
> reducing the homicide rate.
>
You clearly don't know how to read.
>> Take the VT shooting as a
>> example, If the guy were only armed with a machete, he would still hurt
>> somebody, he might have killed someone, but I don't think he could have
>> killed so many.....
>
> Or if he had made bombs he could have killed a lot more.......
>
> We can play "what if" all day long, but the simple fact is that gun control
> has NEVER been shown to have any effect on reducing homicide rates or
> violent crime rates.
>
>
Well, you don't see Japanese or European, or Chinese or Russian teenagers
shoot a couple of his friends and teachers because they can not deal with
teenage angst. It's not because those countries don't have weirdoes. It's
because their weirdoes are given the means to do mass killing. For you
information, all four countries/regions mentioned above are markedly safer
than the United States. I don't expect you to understand it since as far as
I know most gun nuts are crazy rednecks who went to Florida at the farthest.
I see you making the assertion that gun control will keep that killer from
as many casualties. I'm just asking you to support that assertion.
Something, I note, when you haven't done.
>>> Take the VT shooting as a
>>> example, If the guy were only armed with a machete, he would still hurt
>>> somebody, he might have killed someone, but I don't think he could have
>>> killed so many.....
>>
>> Or if he had made bombs he could have killed a lot more.......
>>
>> We can play "what if" all day long, but the simple fact is that gun
>> control
>> has NEVER been shown to have any effect on reducing homicide rates or
>> violent crime rates.
>>
>>
>
> Well, you don't see Japanese or European, or Chinese or Russian teenagers
> shoot a couple of his friends and teachers because they can not deal with
> teenage angst.
Then wouldn't it seem that we have a social problem? After all, it's not
because such teens couldn't get guns and carry out these acts. Heck we don't
even see them attempting such things with other weapons, so perphaps it's
not the lack of one particular type of weapon that stops them, but a lack of
the desire to engage in such acts.
> It's not because those countries don't have weirdoes. It's
> because their weirdoes are given the means to do mass killing.
Hitler, Mao, Stalin.
> For you
> information, all four countries/regions mentioned above are markedly safer
> than the United States.
Really? Would you care to make a large bet on that before I start listing
nations that have a higher homicide rate and/or violent crime rate than the
USA?
> I don't expect you to understand it since as far as
> I know most gun nuts are crazy rednecks who went to Florida at the
> farthest.
Yea, I don't understand BS claims contrary to reality, but you seem willing
to make them.
I've been to a couple of pro hockey games. Absolutely incomprehensible
violence ...
--
Cheers,
Bama Brian
Libertarian
Maybe. But "if only" only works in dreams.
Google up the "Happy Land Social Club fire" or the "Bath School disaster".
There was such a shooting just last year in Finland.
> It's not because those countries don't have weirdoes. It's
> because their weirdoes are given the means to do mass killing. For you
> information, all four countries/regions mentioned above are markedly safer
> than the United States. I don't expect you to understand it since as far as
> I know most gun nuts are crazy rednecks who went to Florida at the farthest.
First thing, this here redneck didn't know that Europe was a country -
or even a region.
As to whether or not the "weirdoes" in these countries/continents have
such means to do mass killings, they do.
But what these countries/continents typically don't have are school kids
zoned out on psychotropic drugs to keep the kids passive in school.
When you examine the history of almost all of the US school killings,
you'll find that the killer was a nutcase typically chock-a-block full
of prescription drugs - and none of the countries you've named tolerate
such kids in the mainstream schools. The kids either learn
self-discipline, or they wind up in other types of schools. We used to
do the same in the US - it was called reform school.
BTW, Japan does not allow the typical citizen to own firearms per the
constitution written for it by the US after WWII; neither does China as
it is a totalitarian state. And even Russia has quite a high
murder/violence/crime rate these days.
Go here for a better idea of overall crime, than just concentrating on
firearms:
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri_percap-crime-total-crimes-per-capita
Note that New Zealand, Finland, Denmark, and even the UK have higher
crime rates overall than does the U.S.
And drop the Ad Hominems. You come across as a frustrated teeniebopper.
Oh? It's only by God's Mercy that the Columbine killers' bombs didn't
go off.
he would have been able to kill more, as no one would have been cued by the
gun shots.
better yet, had any of his victims been armed, instead of being denied their
right to self-protection, possibly the only death would have been his.
redc1c4,
gun control kills innocent people.
Most importantly, he would not get the media attention, which is what they all want.
No we can't son, I don't play with gun goofballs.
;-)
Then why are you replying to him?
"Bama Brian" <eddy...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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Because I'm not a gun goofball, as indicated by his response to me?
I, however, have already filtered out the idiot want-to-be PhD as the twit
and troll he is.
Actually it is pretty much a given that had the typical 3% who are legally
allowed
to carry concealed arms been armed that Cho would have killed fewer and been
stopped.
We know that defensive measures -- without arms -- actually worked for some
people and in other cases didn't "work" for those offering the defensive
resistance
but allowed others to escape.
In either of those cases (and perhaps others), had multiple students (2 - 5)
been
armed Cho would have been neutralize much sooner.
I wish I knew how. Fully grown, heavily armored men, sliding around an
ice field on knife blades, flailing at a hard rubber missile with sticks
and attempting to drive the missile literally through another man. And
when not flailing at the missile, they were bashing at each other with
either the sticks or their fists.
IMNSHO, it's something only a sadist could love. Why on earth it's
considered a "sport" is beyond me.
Hal
Haven't watched rugby lately, have you?
Pretty similar to hocky, whithout the protective clothing.
Regards,
Rider
>flailing at a hard rubber missile
Not hard rubber. They make combs from hard rubber, and bowling balls.
Casady
No, it really isn't.
And if they had, guns would be a much lesser portion of the discussion of
Columbine.
>>> Gun control will not turn a killer Into a saint, but without gun, a
>>> lot of killing might result In far less casualties.
>>
>> Cite please that gun control has ever been shown to have a causal
>> effect in reducing the homicide rate.
>>
>
> You clearly don't know how to read.
>
Apparently the CDC and NAS don't either since they cannot find a study
which shows a causal effect of gun control on violent crime in either
direction. Scout's statement was correct.
Andrew Swallow
what did they use to blow up the busses a few years back?
redc1c4,
just curious..... %-)
Neither could the DoJ and their study.
(Half) trained terrorists acting under orders, not street punks. Very
different group.
Andrew Swallow
That is a cultural mindset not anything to do with the ability to make
one.
I haven't seen that one. Do you have a cite? Not argumentative,
interested.
The Philadelphia Flyers have a roster of 24. Of those guys only 15 weigh
more than 200lbs. and 7 of those are Defensemen who usually are bigger. The
heaviest Flyer is Darien Hatcher at 235. Meanwhile, the Philadelphia 76er's
(our NBA team) has a roster of 14. Of the 14, 12 players tip the scales at
over 200 lbs. and six of them are over 240.
NHL hockey players, by and large, are probably the smallest in the four
major sports. So your "fully grown" line is laughable.
Those "knife blades" are called skates and it's rare that they cause any
injuries.
Yes, the puck is frozen and there are more than a few players missing teeth,
but you've never been playing baseball and had a "bad hop" bloody your
nose??? Or hoops and had a n errant elbow smack you in the chops??
If you think they're "flailing" then you don't understand the nuances of the
sport.
As far as your "hitting with sticks and fighting" the NHL has done much in
recent years to eliminate both. You can no longer "stick check" and the
fighting has really been reduced.(much to the chagrin to many hockey fans).
If you use your stick to "cross check" you're looking at least a twenty game
suspension. Name another sport that does that.
But here's something interesting....you'd have to be at least in your mid
forties to remember (how old are you) but in the 70's there was something
called the "Super Series." This involved a team from Russia coming over and
playing exhibitions against NHL teams.
In 1976 the Moscow Red team played the Flyers. The Flyers at that time were
called the "Broad Street Bullies." Real tough cats.
Let's remember that the US and Russia weren't the best of friends at that
time.
Well, the Flyers come out and start knocking the shit out of the Red Team.
So badly that the Red Team coach pulled his players from the ice and refused
to let them go back out until the Flyers played nice.
The country cheered. The Spectrum was going nuts. (I was there). I still
occasionally run into people when I am in other places were we get into
sports talk and they bring that game up. "Do you remember?" "Yeah, I was
there." "Really, wow that must have been great.
It's becoming apparent why you have a gun.
"Bama Brian" <eddy...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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Hal
Preventing Crime: What Works, What Doesn't, What's Promising
July 1998, "Lawrence W. Sherman, et al"
<<In 1996, a Federal law required the
U.S. Attorney General to provide Congress
with an independent review of the
effectiveness of State and local crime
prevention assistance programs funded
by the U.S. Department of Justice, "with
special emphasis on factors that relate
to juvenile crime and the effect of these
programs on youth violence." The law
required that the review "employ rigorous
and scientifically recognized standards
and methodologies."
..
What doesn't work?
In communities
. Gun buyback programs operated
without geographic limitations on the
eligibility of people providing guns for
money fail to reduce gun violence in
cities, as evaluated in St. Louis and
Seattle (Rosenfeld, 1995; Callahan et
al., 1995) [see pp. 3-28 to 3-30].
..
What's promising [but unproven]
Proactive arrests for carrying
concealed weapons made by officers
on directed patrols in gun crime hot
spots, using traffic enforcement and
field interrogations, substantially
reduced gun crimes in Kansas City
(Sherman and Rogan, 1995a)
[see pp. 8-30 to 8-32].
>>
Thanks....
Then why the rise of gun violence in GB and the arming of your police
force?
--
"Before all else, be armed" -- Machiavelli
A report has just been published by the Centre for Defence Studies in
London, which shows that criminal use of handguns increased by 40% in
the two years immediately after the 1997 ban on handguns. In the years
1997-1998, 2,648 crimes involving handguns were reported. In
1999-2000, that number had increased to 3,685. This is not far off the
peak of seven years previous, which reported 4,273 such offences.
3685 / 365 = 10.1 gun crimes a day in all of Britain. Carrying a gun
is a crime and would be included in those statistics.
We have got to do something about those drug pushers.
Andrew Swallow
>On Apr 11, 11:48 am, richardcas...@earthlink.net (Richard Casady)
I happen to have a hockey puck. I have been to one game. I was buying
beer when the puck came through a six inch gap in the fence, behind a
goal. and bounced off the wall and landed at my feet. It is in fact
slightly softer than hard rubber, so called, but it is pretty hard,
especially when cold.
Casady
Why are so many men so angry with each other? Is this some sort of
on-going clan warfare? ;P
Nuances? There were nuances to what I saw? Well, thanks for the
explanation, robw, but I think I'll stick with tiddlywinks. ;P
>
> As far as your "hitting with sticks and fighting" the NHL has done much in
> recent years to eliminate both. You can no longer "stick check" and the
> fighting has really been reduced.(much to the chagrin to many hockey fans).
> If you use your stick to "cross check" you're looking at least a twenty game
> suspension. Name another sport that does that.
>
> But here's something interesting....you'd have to be at least in your mid
> forties to remember (how old are you)
'60's - but I've never followed any professional sports, and am only
lukewater on even college games.
> but in the 70's there was something
> called the "Super Series." This involved a team from Russia coming over and
> playing exhibitions against NHL teams.
>
> In 1976 the Moscow Red team played the Flyers. The Flyers at that time were
> called the "Broad Street Bullies." Real tough cats.
>
> Let's remember that the US and Russia weren't the best of friends at that
> time.
> Well, the Flyers come out and start knocking the shit out of the Red Team.
> So badly that the Red Team coach pulled his players from the ice and refused
> to let them go back out until the Flyers played nice.
>
> The country cheered. The Spectrum was going nuts. (I was there). I still
> occasionally run into people when I am in other places were we get into
> sports talk and they bring that game up. "Do you remember?" "Yeah, I was
> there." "Really, wow that must have been great.
>
> It's becoming apparent why you have a gun.
Why? Do you think I'd shoot some of the hockey players?
Do you think some of the players should be shot?
"Bama Brian" <eddy...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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I'm from Toronto and I remember the "Broad Street Bullies". I hated Bobby
Clarke. I'm over it now, but I might have taken you up on your very kind
offer back in the 70's.
cheers.....Jeff
I remember Bobby Clarke ... blonde ... had diabetes, right? Cute smile.
I used to cheer for the bad boys of hockey. Anybody remember Derek
Sanderson?
- nilita
Clarke could play, skills, tough and smart. The bullies were
about protecting him and a couple of others. Now if you wanted to
shoot "Battleship" Kelly (obligatory naval content), I'd have
been proud to lend you the gun.
Peter Skelton
Maybe so, robw. Six foot tall, blue eyes, IQ of 138, 180 lbs, six
figure income in retirement, two patents in Silicon Valley, houses and
cars all paid for, very active sex life, beach houses in the Republic of
Panama (Pacific side) and in Myrtle Beach - yup, I sure must be feeling
inadequate.
Hmm. Maybe it's yacht envy for that 120 footer with the helipad that I
don't have.
Or maybe not. I always liked cars instead. So in Feb, I tracked down a
low mileage '93 Cadillac Allante convertible with both tops in primo
condition. Paid cash for it. I'm putting money into it, but when I'm
done with it, it will be a near show condition daily driver car. I just
don't like any of the newer sports cars, Cadillac XLR included.
So maybe it's because I like cars that I like guns?
Maybe it's because you have adequacy issues that you don't like guns?
> "Bama Brian" <eddy...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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>> robw wrote:
<SNIP>
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>> Maybe so, robw. Six foot tall, blue eyes, IQ of 138, 180 lbs, six
>> figure income in retirement, two patents in Silicon Valley, houses and
>> cars all paid for, very active sex life, beach houses in the Republic of
>> Panama (Pacific side) and in Myrtle Beach - yup, I sure must be feeling
>> inadequate.
>>
You left out your most endearing trait: your quiet humility.
CJA
OTOH, now I can't get this song out of my head and I don't know where it's
coming from ... six foot two, eyes of blue, hoochie-coochie, hoochie-coo ...
has anybody seen my Bama-lama-lam***
- nilita
*** Based on some old Dean Martin (or somebody) tune ..
Much older than that. It's.....
"Has Anybody Seen My Gal?"
http://www.smickandsmodoo.com/lyrics/gal.htm
Heh! That must be where I'm inadequate.
I'm sure robw won't be happy until I show him a pic of the family
jewels. But some things just don't belong dangling in public.
Actually the lyrics go, "five foot two, eyes of blue, could she could
she could she woo", with the word "woo" being used in the day for having
sex.
Way back before Dean Martin. Back in the '20's, IIRC.
Yeppers, just as the Colonel said later on in the thread. And, since then I
haven't been able to get the song out of my head ...
- nilita
Heh! Hold it anywhere you like. Use enough vaseline; it'll fit.
Just remember what that Frood dude said: A fear of weapons is a sign of
retarded sexual and emotional maturity. To paraphrase what Freud said
in his works.
--
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
George Santayana, 1863 - 1952
Cheers,
Bama Brian
Libertarian
Well _of_course_he_could_ Peter.
He was also an instigator, a backstabber and an asshole.
I did say I was a Toronto fan.
You will never hear a good word about *the Broad Street Bullies* from me !
They were however somewhat successful.
>The bullies were
> about protecting him and a couple of others. Now if you wanted to
> shoot "Battleship" Kelly (obligatory naval content), I'd have
> been proud to lend you the gun.
>
>
Ken *the rat* Linsman, 'nuff said.
Dirtiest player in NHL history
http://hfboards.com/archive/index.php/t-118052.html
cheers....Jeff
> Peter Skelton
Fine.
> They were however somewhat successful.
Son, that's a good word.
Can't you keep your thoughts together for at least 2 consecutive sentences?
;-)
>
>"Jack Wang" <xinq...@cox.net> wrote in message
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>>
>>
>>
>> On 4/9/08 6:16 PM, in article Xns9A7BA591...@216.196.97.136, "RD
>> (The Sandman)" <rdsandma...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Tony Levin <KingC...@Bass.gov.> wrote in news:47fbafa1$0$15175
>>> $607e...@cv.net:
>>>
>>>> Benj wrote:
>>>>> On Apr 8, 7:32 am, "Dr. James West, Ph.D." <n...@nobull.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> hmmm, isn't there a church somewhere with a gun goofball pastor?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Branch Dividians?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> he he he... ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Why is it that all fascist gun-grabbers find the murder of women,
>>>>> children, and especially Christians by government agents to be such a
>>>>> wonderful "joke"? You really "care" about victims of crime fer sure!
>>>>
>>>> He was one of "the children" born from his sister.
>>>
>>> He's the son of her father?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Gun control will not turn a killer Into a saint, but without gun, a lot of
>> killing might result In far less casualties.
>
>Cite please that gun control has ever been shown to have a causal effect in
>reducing the homicide rate.
>
>> Take the VT shooting as a
>> example, If the guy were only armed with a machete, he would still hurt
>> somebody, he might have killed someone, but I don't think he could have
>> killed so many.....
>
>Or if he had made bombs he could have killed a lot more.......
>
>We can play "what if" all day long, but the simple fact is that gun control
>has NEVER been shown to have any effect on reducing homicide rates or
>violent crime rates.
>
You're right about the "what ifs". It's just the kinds of things that
pedophiles like James West, phD try to do all day.
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> South Africa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!