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Jack Linthicum

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Feb 9, 2008, 6:40:44 AM2/9/08
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Southernmost of the string of islands that extend south of Japan on
the Pacific side.


February 9, 2008
Japan Says Russian Plane Violated Space
By REUTERS

Filed at 6:06 a.m. ET

TOKYO/MOSCOW (Reuters) - Japan protested to Moscow after a Russian
military plane violated Japanese air space over the Izu Islands on
Saturday, a Japanese Foreign Ministry official said.

The Foreign Ministry told Moscow to investigate the case and sought an
explanation, the official said.

The Russian warplane flew over the isle of Sofugan, about 650 km (400
miles) south of Tokyo, around 7:30 a.m. (2230 GMT on Friday), the
official said.

"We strongly protest against the violation," the official said.

Russia said four turbo-prop TU-95 "Bear" strategic bombers went on a
routine 10-hour mission over the Pacific and were accompanied by
Japanese and U.S. war planes.

"All flights of the Russian Air Force were carried out in accordance
with international air space regulations without breaching the other
states' borders," Air Force spokesman Alexander Drobyshevsky told
Interfax news agency.

The TU-95, Russia's longest serving bomber, is capable of carrying
AS-15 "Kent" cruise missiles which can deliver a nuclear warhead. The
air force did not say if the aircraft involved were carrying live
weapons.

Russia last violated Japanese air space in January 2006, when a
Russian plane flew over Rebun Island off the coast of Hokkaido, a
major island in the north, the Japanese official said.

Kyodo news agency reported that 22 Japanese fighter jets were
scrambled to deal with the intrusion.

REVIVED POWER

Russia's air force cut down on long-distance bomber missions during
the 1990s because of a shortage of fuel and serviceable aircraft, but
last year it resumed regular patrolling outside its borders in a sign
its military might was reviving.

Analysts say the missions are a way for the newly-confident and better-
funded Russian military to flex its muscles.

Russia has resumed 24-hour strategic air patrols over its territory
and carried out long-range air missions over international airspace,
nudging close to other NATO member states.

On January 22, two Russian long-range "Blackjack" bombers flew to the
Bay of Biscay, off the coasts of NATO members France and Spain, to
test-launch missiles.

NATO defense chiefs asked Russia on Friday for advanced warning of
military exercises and repeated a call for Moscow to tone down its
rhetoric in disputes with NATO members.

President Vladimir Putin on Friday delivered an address with long
passages of tough rhetoric aimed at the West, including accusing the
United States of unleashing a new arms race.

Japan and Russia have been locked in a decades-old territorial dispute
that has prevented the two sides from signing a peace treaty putting a
formal end to World War Two. Japan is not a NATO member.

Despite the long-standing row, Russia and Japan have been trying to
expand ties. Russia is keen for funds to develop its far eastern
regions, while Japan is eager to tap Russia's booming oil industry to
reduce its reliance on Middle Eastern energy.

Putin has offered new talks to resolve the territorial dispute,
prompting Japanese Prime Minister Yasuo Fukuda to consider a visit to
Moscow.

Fukuda said earlier in the week he had received a letter in which
Putin had expressed his willingness to end the dispute.

a425couple

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Feb 9, 2008, 2:29:18 PM2/9/08
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"Jack Linthicum" <jackli...@earthlink.net> wrote in

> Japan protested to Moscow after a Russian military
> plane violated Japanese air space over the Izu Islands

By the way,
(I understand it can be complicated - and conflicted)
but what are the distances/sizes of claimed "air space"?


Arved Sandstrom

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Feb 9, 2008, 2:58:17 PM2/9/08
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"a425couple" <a425c...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Actual air space is 12 nm from its shoreline. The Izu Islands are part of
Japan (Tokyo prefecture), so literally flying *over* one of those islands is
definitely a violation.

AHS


Jack Linthicum

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Feb 9, 2008, 3:06:42 PM2/9/08
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On Feb 9, 2:29 pm, "a425couple" <a425cou...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Jack Linthicum" <jacklinthi...@earthlink.net> wrote in

You need a sectional aeronautical chart to visualize it, but it is a
least 12 miles out, the defined national boundary, and sometimes
reaches great distances. I would guess that the location of Sofugan
would be on a controlled air corridor, with flights using that
corridor being under the control of something like a Japanese FAA.
Liken it to having a sea lane where local traffic rules apply and
even the approach of a vessel not under the sea lane administrator's
control upsets the traffic patterns and could lead to an accident.

Arved Sandstrom

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Feb 9, 2008, 4:14:03 PM2/9/08
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"Jack Linthicum" <jackli...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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I'm no expert, but there would be territorial air space (airspace above
territorial waters), air traffic control areas (ICAO flight information
regions...it appears that Japan now has just one, the Fukuoka FIR), and
ADIZ's (which typically ATC also handles). The Russian incursion would
clearly be inside the Fukuoka FIR (http://www.vatjpn.org/vacc.htm); Sofugan
is also indisputably Japanese territory, so territorial airspace applies.
I'll be damned if I can find an authoritative map of Japan's ADIZ, though.

AHS


Jack Linthicum

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Feb 9, 2008, 4:17:46 PM2/9/08
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On Feb 9, 4:14 pm, "Arved Sandstrom" <asandst...@accesswave.ca> wrote:
> "Jack Linthicum" <jacklinthi...@earthlink.net> wrote in message

My problem exactly. I had hoped for an airnavigation chart and zeroed
on that.

Jack Linthicum

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Feb 9, 2008, 4:21:12 PM2/9/08
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On Feb 9, 4:14 pm, "Arved Sandstrom" <asandst...@accesswave.ca> wrote:
> "Jack Linthicum" <jacklinthi...@earthlink.net> wrote in message

Benjo, I found one

http://sun-bin.blogspot.com/2006/05/japanese-air-defence-identification.html

a425couple

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Feb 9, 2008, 8:13:40 PM2/9/08
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"Arved Sandstrom" <asand...@accesswave.ca> wrote
> "a425couple" <a425c...@hotmail.com> wrote

> > "Jack Linthicum" <jackli...@earthlink.net> wrote in
> >> Japan protested to Moscow after a Russian military
> > but what are the distances/sizes of claimed "air space"?
> Actual air space is 12 nm from its shoreline. AHS

Good to see you back!
(if you have been back for a while - sorry
I often miss things!)

In case you missed it - I did post while back
"NGF tidbit" (?) that I thought you'd be interested in.


Arved Sandstrom

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Feb 9, 2008, 11:16:43 PM2/9/08
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"a425couple" <a425c...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Yes, I caught that post. If I'm not mistaken there was some discussion about
how a single 16" turret fired a 5-round mission.

AHS


Jack Linthicum

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Feb 12, 2008, 6:23:35 AM2/12/08
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On Feb 9, 6:40 am, Jack Linthicum <jacklinthi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Southernmost of the string of islands that extend south of Japan on
> the Pacific side.
>
> February 9, 2008
> Japan Says Russian Plane Violated Space
> By REUTERS
>
> Filed at 6:06 a.m. ET
>
> TOKYO/MOSCOW (Reuters) - Japan protested to Moscow after a Russian
> military plane violated Japanese air space over the Izu Islands on
> Saturday, a Japanese Foreign Ministry official said.
>
> The Foreign Ministry told Moscow to investigate the case and sought an
> explanation, the official said.
>
> The Russian warplane flew over the isle of Sofugan, about 650 km (400
> miles) south of Tokyo, around 7:30 a.m. (2230 GMT on Friday), the
> official said.
>
> "We strongly protest against the violation," the official said.
>
> Russia said four turbo-propTU-95"Bear" strategic bombers went on a

> routine 10-hour mission over the Pacific and were accompanied by
> Japanese and U.S. war planes.
>
> "All flights of the Russian Air Force were carried out in accordance
> with international air space regulations without breaching the other
> states' borders," Air Force spokesman Alexander Drobyshevsky told
> Interfax news agency.
>
> TheTU-95, Russia's longest serving bomber, is capable of carrying

Navy Intercepts Russian Bombers

By LOLITA C. BALDOR -

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Associated Press has learned that U.S. fighter
planes intercepted two Russian bombers flying unusually close to an
American aircraft carrier in the western Pacific during the weekend.

A U.S. military official says that one Russian Tupolev 95 buzzed the
aircraft carrier USS Nimitz twice, at a low altitude of about 2,000
feet, while another bomber circled about 50 nautical miles out. The
official was speaking on condition of anonymity because the reports on
the flights were classified as secret.

The Saturday incident, which never escalated beyond the flyover, comes
amid heightened tensions between the United States and Russia over
U.S. plans for a missile defense system based in Poland and the Czech
Republic.

Weatherlawyer

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Feb 12, 2008, 8:35:07 AM2/12/08
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Jack Linthicum wrote:
>
> The Saturday incident, which never escalated beyond the flyover, comes
> amid heightened tensions between the United States and Russia over
> U.S. plans for a missile defense system based in Poland and the Czech
> Republic.

That chimpanzee Bush is the biggest fucking idiot since Nixon, with
the exception that Nixon knew that he was doing wrong thus had the
sense to tread carefully at first.

Jack Linthicum

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Feb 12, 2008, 8:38:08 AM2/12/08
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I think zzbunker has a British cousin

Weatherlawyer

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Feb 12, 2008, 9:44:33 AM2/12/08
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On Feb 12, 1:38 pm, Jack Linthicum <jacklinthi...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

>
> I think zzbunker has a British cousin

Ist class political comentato was he? I'm no Alf Garnet though.

PaPaPeng

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Feb 12, 2008, 10:25:40 AM2/12/08
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Its pretty obvious by now and by general consensus that Dubya doesn't
have the brains to push for a long term strategic goal such the siting
of forward bases to contain the rump USSR that is now Russia. This
includes using the War on Terror as a cover to establish large bases
in Central Asia, far larger than any needed for transhipment of
supplies. Something of this nature will be realized only long after
he and his cabinet advisors have left the scene. So who is it that
does (have the brains)?

Jack Linthicum

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Feb 12, 2008, 10:29:00 AM2/12/08
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maybe a Quarter Garnet?

Mark Borgerson

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Feb 12, 2008, 11:03:58 AM2/12/08
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In article <110b9e7d-3ede-42d5-95c1-6237af75dd19
@v46g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>, jackli...@earthlink.net says...
LOL! 2000 feet up is a "buzz"? In that case, my house gets
buzzed a dozen times a week! 2000 feet isn't even low enough
for the crew to get good shots with their digital cameras! ;-)

>
> The Saturday incident, which never escalated beyond the flyover, comes
> amid heightened tensions between the United States and Russia over
> U.S. plans for a missile defense system based in Poland and the Czech
> Republic.
>

First, it was a 'buzz', now it's back to just a flyover. I wish
they'd make up their minds!


Mark Borgerson

eatfastnoodle

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Feb 12, 2008, 2:14:33 PM2/12/08
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Iraq war and the ensuing erosion of US international standing,
standing of green buck, coupled with the 5 times increase of oil
prices greatly strengthened hands of foes and competitors of the US,
no wonder all signs point to a drastic and strategic American retreat.
All of those happened under the watch of a president pandering to
rednecks. Right now, the US needs a figure like Nixon or Kissinger to
stabilize the situation. Too bad all I heard from the major
candidates, Democratic or Republican, are still more ideology-driven
rant and rave.

zzbu...@netscape.net

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Feb 13, 2008, 4:08:39 AM2/13/08
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On Feb 12, 9:44 am, Weatherlawyer <Weatherlaw...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 12, 1:38 pm, Jack Linthicum <jacklinthi...@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I thinkzzbunkerhas a British cousin

It's even worse than that. I got a New Jersey cousin.

zzbu...@netscape.net

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Feb 13, 2008, 5:20:38 AM2/13/08
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On Feb 12, 8:35 am, Weatherlawyer <Weatherlaw...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Well, Nixon doesn't really even quaily as an idiot.
He was a Walt Disney tour guide.
And since it's obvious that the only thing Bush knows about
missiles is Catepillar Tractors, he doesn't even qualify as
a Disney Tour Guide.

Richard Casady

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Oct 4, 2008, 12:52:12 AM10/4/08
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On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 03:23:35 -0800 (PST), Jack Linthicum
<jackli...@earthlink.net> wrote:

>A U.S. military official says that one Russian Tupolev 95 buzzed the
>aircraft carrier USS Nimitz twice, at a low altitude of about 2,000

2000 ft is not a buzzjob. Those are done at 20 to 200 ft. 2000 is a
low pass.

Casady

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