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Thanks for flushing out another nut case.
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I usually don't flush out but down
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They are trying to scare you.....
They will lose their nuclear sites, and all they will do is pout.
(and call us all names)
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Raymond O'Hara
"Mark Test" <MAR...@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
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and then unleash a wave of guerilla/terror attacks we won't like.
iran has industral and technological ability to make a bomb.
nothing short of a WWII style pounding like we laid on germany will change
that.
anything less will just make iran even more determined to build one .
redvet
Ray, you might also mention that we'll be walking to work....those
that still have jobs. - redvet
Raymond O'Hara
"redvet" <red...@lava.net> wrote in message
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no europe would. we'd get ugly about anybody trying to get any oil from
canada,mexico and south america.
a real oil shortage would cause very real troubles wouldn't it.
redvet
<raymon...@hotmail.com> wrote:
True enough...although the last time the 'muricans tried to invade
Canada... - redvet
!Jones
<ca...@etherzone.com> wrote:
>No more talk! We look like cowards! Bombs away!!
Good idea. If I were an Iranian leader, I'd have the Saudi oil depots
dialed into my missles as well as the port at Kuwait City... they can
and will shut down the oil supply, so, like it or not, they've got us
by the balls. When you're looking down the bore of a gun, "Go ahead,
punk, make my day," is the *wrong* thing to say!!!
Jones
Raymond O'Hara
>>no europe would. we'd get ugly about anybody trying to get any oil from
>>canada,mexico and south america.
>>
>>a real oil shortage would cause very real troubles wouldn't it.
>
>
>
> True enough...although the last time the 'muricans tried to invade
> Canada... - redvet
we beat the brits at the thames.
and the canucks don't have any redcoats to defend them any more.
Raymond O'Hara
"!Jones" <h...@there.org> wrote in message
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dialed in with what? those photoshopped missiles?
!Jones
O'Hara" <raymon...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Good idea. If I were an Iranian leader, I'd have the Saudi oil depots
>> dialed into my missles as well as the port at Kuwait City... they can
>> and will shut down the oil supply, so, like it or not, they've got us
>> by the balls. When you're looking down the bore of a gun, "Go ahead,
>> punk, make my day," is the *wrong* thing to say!!!
>>
>> Jones
>
>dialed in with what? those photoshopped missiles?
Well, all available evidence points to the conclusion that the
Iranians have the ability to hit any target in the Persian Gulf. All
they have to do is sit there and pick off one tanker a day in the
Strait of Hormuz... and they only have to shoot about six miles to do
that. Further, they've said explicitly that's their battle plan... US
banks are already failing and we're already stretched to the limit.
Starting a war with Iran is the *last* thing we should do because we
would certainly lose it. If you like $4.50/gal, just wait! It would
triple overnight and the US economy would fail.
Jones
!Jones
Hey, we've just had *stunning* success with invading Mideastern
countries, why change a tactic that's working so *well*?
"Shock and awe", I say! Give 'em some shock and awe... maybe it'll
work as well as it did in Iraq?
Jones
La N
Makes for great viewing on CNN!
- nilita
torresD
Raymond O'Hara
while attacking iran would be the worst mistake we could make. we could
protect the saudis. its in ira with masses of guerillas and an unrestrained
weapons flow tht would be the trouble.
their conventional forces we can take. but we've seen that doesn't matter
these days.
redvet
<raymon...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"!Jones" <h...@there.org> wrote in message
>news:bccl74t89ichdtdg5...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:44:47 -0400, in alt.war.vietnam "Raymond
>> O'Hara" <raymon...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> Good idea. If I were an Iranian leader, I'd have the Saudi oil depots
>>>> dialed into my missles as well as the port at Kuwait City... they can
>>>> and will shut down the oil supply, so, like it or not, they've got us
>>>> by the balls. When you're looking down the bore of a gun, "Go ahead,
>>>> punk, make my day," is the *wrong* thing to say!!!
>>>>
>>>> Jones
>>>
>>>dialed in with what? those photoshopped missiles?
>>
>> Well, all available evidence points to the conclusion that the
>> Iranians have the ability to hit any target in the Persian Gulf. All
>> they have to do is sit there and pick off one tanker a day in the
>> Strait of Hormuz... and they only have to shoot about six miles to do
>> that. Further, they've said explicitly that's their battle plan... US
>> banks are already failing and we're already stretched to the limit.
>> Starting a war with Iran is the *last* thing we should do because we
>> would certainly lose it. If you like $4.50/gal, just wait! It would
>> triple overnight and the US economy would fail.
>>
>> Jones
>>
>
>while attacking iran would be the worst mistake we could make. we could
>protect the saudis.
But not the wells, pumping stations and oil terminals. I'm reasonably
confidante that against a camel, a jockey, and a 35 year old 122mm
rocket, there would be difficulty in protecting those assets. Though
the rockets probably are better then when the PAVN used them . -
redvet
Raymond O'Hara
how many attacks do you think they could make before we destroyed every
launcher they own.
get real.
the iranian conventional forces would get crushed. and we still wouldn't
win. but we'd get the oil from saudi arabia out
the guerilla war in iraq would amp up beyond our ability to contain it.
Roger Conroy
"Raymond O'Hara" <raymon...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Who needs a launcher? All that is really needed to launch one of those
rockets is a length of pipe, some wire and a battery.
Ask your friendly local Palestinian "freedom fighter" to teach you.
redvet
<raymon...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Sorry Ray, I wasn't clear. All anybody needs are relatively small
transportable rockets to finish off the Saudi's oil infrastructure.
The wells, pumping stations, and oil terminals are, umm....flammable.
The 122's that were used against Long Bhien, and other 'murican bases
in Vietnam, would be sufficient. Most of the time we could find the
launch sites in Vietnam, but only after the launch. No doubt the
rockets have gotten better since then. - redvet
redvet
Mahalo Roger, I thought I was clear...perhaps Ray does'nt get out
much. - redvet
>
Jack Linthicum
You will need a lot of 122s. The accuracy of leaning the thing against
a fence (rare in the Najd) and lighting it off is a remnant of their
first use, in groups of 24 or so in WWII. Most oilfields are equipped
with safety devices to keep accidental fires from spreading, the
ability of a 122 to hit anything vital is in the hands of Allah. Two
tubes and a warhead, not much room for "improvement". Perfect
insurgent weapon, completes the AK-47, RPG-7 triad. Any fool can use
it.
Roger Conroy
Actually I am someone that literally doesn't "get out much" LOL!
I'm a disabled wheelchair user living in a tiny rural village in a country
"on the wrong end of the world" but I read a LOT (not any old crap though -
I am selective).
Do you remember a thread of a few weeks ago where Ray insisted that "in the
light of current wars" there is no credible threat that justifies the
expense of development/production of the F22?
Well in the last few days I have seen reports that Sukhoi have a 5th
generation fighter in the pipeline - and the Russians are willing to sell to
whoever brings them money... (Ironic that the Ruskies of all people have
turned out to be such "arch-capitalists" without a conscience)
Jack Linthicum
wrote:
> "redvet" <red...@lava.net> wrote in message
>
> news:k16m74938p9gtppmg...@4ax.com...
>
>
>
> > On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 08:51:13 +0200, "Roger Conroy"
>
> >>"Raymond O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
I would make payment for that aircraft based on actual delivery.
!Jones
Oh, the US forces can defeat *any* opposing force that fights by US
rules; however, it makes no sense at all (from an Iraqi of Afghan
fighter's perspective) to attack your enemy's strength!
Jones
Raymond O'Hara
"Roger Conroy" <rogerconr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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and those guys have no idea where they are coming down.
Raymond O'Hara
yeah, some guy with an one unaimed rocket is goint to destroy all the saudi
oil facilities.
get real.
Raymond O'Hara
on paper not in the pipeline,
they haven't even built a mock-up.
all there is is a press release.
deem...@aol.com
>
> > Who needs a launcher? All that is really needed to launch one of those
> > rockets is a length of pipe, some wire and a battery.
> > Ask your friendly local Palestinian "freedom fighter" to teach you.
>
> and those guys have no idea where they are coming down.
And don't really care?
Raymond O'Hara
they wouldn't be firing from hilly jungle.
and they would be unaimed.
deem...@aol.com
> On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 00:13:31 -0400, in alt.war.vietnam "Raymond
>
> >their conventional forces we can take. but we've seen that doesn't matter
> >these days.
>
> Oh, the US forces can defeat *any* opposing force that fights by US
> rules; however, it makes no sense at all (from an Iraqi of Afghan
> fighter's perspective) to attack your enemy's strength!
>
> Jones
Why won't those guys just stand there and let us kill
them? Don't they realize we're only doing it for their own good?
Raymond O'Hara
can 122mm rockets cross the persian gulf? its about 100 miles wide.
yeah some guy with a rocket fired from a camel is going to actually hit
something he can't see.
oh wait, you imagine that hordes of iranians are going to sneak across iraq
set up unseen in SA and they destroy all the saudi oil feids.
sure red. that's a credible theory.
Jack Linthicum
More likely they load one or more of the boats that fill the waterway
and fire the 122s off in the general direction of some target like a
loading point. Some of those tankers are 1500 feet long, hard to miss
with multiple rounds. Of course, they miss all the safety features
built into the modern bulk petroleum carrier, like inert gas as a
protection against spark ignition of the vapor.
torresD
Roger Conroy
So what? If your target is a city or an oil terminal, a CEP of a mile or so
is acceptable.
The "camel jockey" insurgent can carry a useful load of perhaps 4 or 5
rounds on board the aforementioned camel.
A pickup could carry double that.
Five to ten 122mm rockets arriving downtown or in the harbor area "out of
the blue" are pretty much guaranteed to ruin more than just a few people's
day.
Raymond O'Hara
<deem...@aol.com> wrote in message
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when you have a specific target accuracy matters.
Raymond O'Hara
>> and those guys have no idea where they are coming down.
>>
>
> So what? If your target is a city or an oil terminal, a CEP of a mile or
> so is acceptable.
> The "camel jockey" insurgent can carry a useful load of perhaps 4 or 5
> rounds on board the aforementioned camel.
> A pickup could carry double that.
> Five to ten 122mm rockets arriving downtown or in the harbor area "out of
> the blue" are pretty much guaranteed to ruin more than just a few people's
> day.
>
and where are these camel jockeys going to operate from.
and random misslies aren't going to achieve much.
and we are not talking about random terror attaclks but hitting specific
targets.
and of course these iranian camel jockeys and pick-up trocks will be able to
just sneak around saudi arabia.
get real.
Raymond O'Hara
"Jack Linthicum" <jackli...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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sure and maybe they commandeer a space ship with a cloaking device.
torresD
BL5511
> http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/365.html
This is a crazy idea.
Peter Schiff of Euro Pacific Capital already advised his clients to
get out of U.S. financial businesses and stocks for the past two
months. Stocks already took a beating. Once Iran was under attack,
everyone in the U.S. will dump U.S. stocks at once, like they had
withdrew money from the Indymac bank last week. The Dow Jones may
loose 2000 points in a single day and stock market had to be closed.
Once it opened again, the Dow will continue to slide to 1,000.
Most Americans will loose their retirement money and jobs, the
transportation industry will close because of fuel shortage. Unhappy
Americans will revolt and the military and police will join them to
bring down the government. Anarchy, chaos, lawless. Without Iranian
attack, the U.S. will be like Somalia and cities will be run by war
lords.
!Jones
"deem...@aol.com" <deem...@aol.com> wrote:
>> Oh, the US forces can defeat *any* opposing force that fights by US
>> rules; however, it makes no sense at all (from an Iraqi of Afghan
>> fighter's perspective) to attack your enemy's strength!
>>
>> Jones
>
> Why won't those guys just stand there and let us kill
>them? Don't they realize we're only doing it for their own good?
They're "terrorists", of course.
Jones
La N
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*****************************
And then you can say to them in your inimitable paternal manner, "This hurts
us more than it hurts you, but you'll thank us for this later!"
- nilita
Mark Test
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and
high energy costs....
Mark
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Mark Test
>
> "Mark Test" <MAR...@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
> news:3ed65$487a2fdd$10...@news.teranews.com...
> >
> > "Carol Wesley" <ca...@etherzone.com> wrote in message
> > news:mhqh74p0f560k8khp...@4ax.com...
> >>
> >> No more talk! We look like cowards! Bombs away!!
> >>
> >> "In case the United States and Israel dare to shoot a bullet, Iran will
> > target the heart of Israel and 32 US bases in
> >> the region imminently," said Mojtaba Zolnoor, vice representative of
> > Khamenei to Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC)
> >>
> >> No cowards!!!! Attack!!!!
> >>
> > Pssst....Iran can't hit Israel, they can't hit these 32 US bases.....
> >
> > They are trying to scare you.....
> > They will lose their nuclear sites, and all they will do is pout.
> > (and call us all names)
> >
> > Mark
>
> and then unleash a wave of guerilla/terror attacks we won't like.
>
What? The peaceful people from the republic of Islam? Surely you
jest....
> iran has industral and technological ability to make a bomb.
Not for much longer...
> nothing short of a WWII style pounding like we laid on germany will change
> that.
>
Just wait to see what precision guided munitions can do...
> anything less will just make iran even more determined to build one .
>
Still, they will do nothing if they are hit....THEY need to realize that.
Jack Linthicum
> "La N" <nilita2004NOS...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:95Vek.237$rR2.183@edtnps83...
>
>
>
> > <deemsb...@aol.com> wrote in message
My cousin's old buddy T. Boone Pickens has a plan to use the
Republican form of energy: wind.
BL5511
> No more talk! We look like cowards! Bombs away!!
>
> "In case the United States and Israel dare to shoot a bullet, Iran will target the heart of Israel and 32 US bases in
> the region imminently," said Mojtaba Zolnoor, vice representative of Khamenei to Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC)
>
> No cowards!!!! Attack!!!!
It is wise that the U.S. will open an office in Teheran to talk
directly to Iran.
Raymond O'Hara
>
>> nothing short of a WWII style pounding like we laid on germany will
>> change
>> that.
>>
> Just wait to see what precision guided munitions can do...
>
>> anything less will just make iran even more determined to build one .
>>
> Still, they will do nothing if they are hit....THEY need to realize that.
>
> Mark
when you see films of precision guided weapons on TV you can be assured
there are misses, they just don't show those on th news
and all an attack will do is show iran it does need one because if they have
nukes they become a whole different can off worms.
its better to talk/buy them out of it and avoid hard feelings.
Iran has the industrial ability to make one. an attack needs to not only get
where they can make one. you need to get the places that make the matierials
and machines that make the nukes. now you've expanded the target list
exponentinally.
Raymond O'Hara
and republicans produce that wind from two sources
The Horny Goat
<raymon...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> My cousin's old buddy T. Boone Pickens has a plan to use the
>> Republican form of energy: wind.
>
>and republicans produce that wind from two sources
>
What does that mean? Windmills in the House and Senate chambers?
Jack Linthicum
> On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:30:12 -0400, "Raymond O'Hara"
>
> >> My cousin's old buddy T. Boone Pickens has a plan to use the
> >> Republican form of energy: wind.
>
> >and republicans produce that wind from two sources
>
> What does that mean? Windmills in the House and Senate chambers?
Bean soup favorite of the Senate Dining Room and the ability to con
millions out of the people who populate the internet.
Mark Test
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Why? Iran can not attack the US. Nor can they attack Israel.
The US does not import oil from Iran. Why should we talk
to a nation that supports terrorists?
!Jones
<MAR...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
>Why? Iran can not attack the US. Nor can they attack Israel.
>The US does not import oil from Iran. Why should we talk
>to a nation that supports terrorists?
One man's "terrorist" is another man's "freedom fighter".
If you don't think it's worth our breath having a dialog with them.
then why do you appear to believe that it's worth thousands of our
childrens' lives waging war upon them?
Jones
Raymond O'Hara
oil is a commodity sold in a single world market.
anything that hurts the flow/production in one country ffects the entire
market.
Mark Test
> On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 20:55:15 -0500, in alt.war.vietnam "Mark Test"
> <MAR...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
>
> >Why? Iran can not attack the US. Nor can they attack Israel.
> >The US does not import oil from Iran. Why should we talk
> >to a nation that supports terrorists?
>
> One man's "terrorist" is another man's "freedom fighter".
>
> If you don't think it's worth our breath having a dialog with them.
> then why do you appear to believe that it's worth thousands of our
> childrens' lives waging war upon them?
>
What? let me say it loudly....IRAN CANNOT HIT US.
The US gets NO OIL from Iran
Iran supports terror.....so I simply say, ignore them.
However, they must not be allowed to continue enriching uranium.
...and Israel will probably handle that issue.
Mark Test
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Horvath
wrote this crap:
>>
>What? let me say it loudly....IRAN CANNOT HIT US.
Then the sky is not falling? we are all safe? This changes
everything. Algore was wrong all the time.
>The US gets NO OIL from Iran
>Iran supports terror.....so I simply say, ignore them.
The Cole? The World Trade Center? Do we ignore those too?
>However, they must not be allowed to continue enriching uranium.
>...and Israel will probably handle that issue.
And we tell all our allies to take care of all our problems? And that
will bring Wirld Peas, and birds will sing, and flowers will grow
everywhere?
Hor...@Horvath.net
My T-shirt says, "This shirt is the
ultimate power in the universe."
Jack Linthicum
> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:57:46 -0500, "Mark Test" <MARK...@peoplepc.com>
> wrote this crap:
>
>
>
> >What? let me say it loudly....IRAN CANNOT HIT US.
>
> Then the sky is not falling? we are all safe? This changes
> everything. Algore was wrong all the time.
>
> >The US gets NO OIL from Iran
> >Iran supports terror.....so I simply say, ignore them.
>
> The Cole? The World Trade Center? Do we ignore those too?
>
> >However, they must not be allowed to continue enriching uranium.
> >...and Israel will probably handle that issue.
>
> And we tell all our allies to take care of all our problems? And that
> will bring Wirld Peas, and birds will sing, and flowers will grow
> everywhere?
>
>
> My T-shirt says, "This shirt is the
> ultimate power in the universe."
Hint: Iran supports Hezbollah, al Qaida did the Cole and the WTC. We
have been (just) wise enough as to not mix those two up. Realize that
the Shia Iranians are Persians and in the Sunni Arab world there aint
anything worse.
Oh yes, we don't have any allies, we have people who use us.
Horvath
<jackli...@earthlink.net> wrote this crap:
>> >The US gets NO OIL from Iran
>> >Iran supports terror.....so I simply say, ignore them.
>>
>> The Cole? The World Trade Center? Do we ignore those too?
>>
>> >However, they must not be allowed to continue enriching uranium.
>> >...and Israel will probably handle that issue.
>>
>> And we tell all our allies to take care of all our problems? And that
>> will bring Wirld Peas, and birds will sing, and flowers will grow
>> everywhere?
>>
>Hint: Iran supports Hezbollah, al Qaida did the Cole and the WTC. We
>have been (just) wise enough as to not mix those two up. Realize that
>the Shia Iranians are Persians and in the Sunni Arab world there aint
>anything worse.
>
>Oh yes, we don't have any allies, we have people who use us.
I guess that clears everything up, doesn't it?
Hor...@Horvath.net
Jack Linthicum
> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 04:08:40 -0700 (PDT), Jack Linthicum
>
>
>
> >> >The US gets NO OIL from Iran
> >> >Iran supports terror.....so I simply say, ignore them.
>
> >> The Cole? The World Trade Center? Do we ignore those too?
>
> >> >However, they must not be allowed to continue enriching uranium.
> >> >...and Israel will probably handle that issue.
>
> >> And we tell all our allies to take care of all our problems? And that
> >> will bring Wirld Peas, and birds will sing, and flowers will grow
> >> everywhere?
>
> >Hint: Iran supports Hezbollah, al Qaida did the Cole and the WTC. We
> >have been (just) wise enough as to not mix those two up. Realize that
> >the Shia Iranians are Persians and in the Sunni Arab world there aint
> >anything worse.
>
> >Oh yes, we don't have any allies, we have people who use us.
>
> I guess that clears everything up, doesn't it?
>
>
> My T-shirt says, "This shirt is the
> ultimate power in the universe."
Either you or your T-shirt is the one who can answer that
Mark Test
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> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:57:46 -0500, "Mark Test" <MAR...@peoplepc.com>
> wrote this crap:
>
> >>
> >What? let me say it loudly....IRAN CANNOT HIT US.
>
> Then the sky is not falling? we are all safe? This changes
> everything. Algore was wrong all the time.
>
> >The US gets NO OIL from Iran
> >Iran supports terror.....so I simply say, ignore them.
>
> The Cole? The World Trade Center? Do we ignore those too?
>
uh, Iran had nothing to do with them....and yes, we don't talk to
terrorists, we kill them.
> >However, they must not be allowed to continue enriching uranium.
> >...and Israel will probably handle that issue.
>
> And we tell all our allies to take care of all our problems? And that
> will bring Wirld Peas, and birds will sing, and flowers will grow
> everywhere?
>
How is Iran "our" problem? It's the EU's problem, not ours.....but now
since Obama's come around.....we're making it a US issue......bad move.
The US Navy is standing by to keep the sea lanes in that region open
"if" the Iranians try to block them......so no need to worry.
torresD
Iran has not invaded another country in 300 years.
Iraq invaded Iran, during the Iran/Iraq war.
Iran poses no threat to the USA, none whatsoever.
What terrorist does Iran back?
torresD
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20281.htm
Matt Wiser
(or it will be until said accounts get frozen...).
Some lunkhead asked which terrorists Iran backs; well, pinhead-how's this: Hezbollah
(responsible for the most deaths by terrorism of Americans before Al-Queda came along),
Palestinian Islamic Jihad (suicide bombers in Israel with a number of Americans among the
vics), Hamas (ditto), and various militia/bandit groups in Iraq (Sadr's Mehdi Army being the most famous or infamous). The U.S. considers Iran Public Enemy #1 as far as nation-states
go, ever since 4 Nov 1979 and the kidnapping of the U.S. Embassy staff and holding them
captive for 444 days. Until Iran admits the lunacy of the latter, and admits wrongdoing,
that will be a debt that is open, and may still be collected on the battlefield.
Raymond O'Hara
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that is madness.
Matt Wiser
the likes of Hezbollah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and now Sadr's thugs. Old debts with Iran
have been accumulating since 4 Nov 1979. And those debts need to be collected, either by
Iran admitting wrongdoing (as then-SecState Albright admitted the '53 coup wasn't the good
idea it seemed to be at the time back in '98 or '99), or by...other means. Some of the
former hostages have buried the hatchet, while many others have not. Some of the hostage-
takers have admitted the whole thing was a bad idea, and not only regret it, but have pushed
for renewed ties with the U.S. One of them ran a newspaper in which he had a poll which had
the following question: "Do you favor resuming diplomatic and economic ties with the U.S.?"
78% of the respondents said yes. The mullahs didn't like that, and tossed him into the same
prison where the hostages were held in the fall and winter of 1980. And another hostage
taker is now the current President (also maniac-in-chief) of Iran. Several former captives have
ID'd him. As long as the mullahocracy is in charge, forget about any kind of detente or
reapproachment between Iran and the U.S.
frank
in a world of hurt. And I don't think the Israelis would go nuclear.
Nobody has in over 50 years. You think there just be a good reason NOT
to?
All they have to do is take out any oil tanker, or hit anything in
Saudi Arabia. And that won't be hard. Doesn't have to be a US base.
Oil prices and the international market will just go ape shit.
Aw jeez, I bet Dick is just drooling looking at his Halliburton trust
right now...
Besides, you know how many nut cases are in Lebanon in Hezbollah? You
know how many Iranians are in the US. You know how many are illegal
here? Thought not.
The answer is, we don't know and we don't know where they are either.
You can thank Immigration for that one. not to mention all the schools
and universities that brought them in as students as they paid full
tuition prices.
Going into Iran unless there is a specific and clear attack on the US,
not a threat, not some BS power point presentation of cherry picked
intelligence, would be really, really dumb. You can forget about any
dream of the Surge in Iraq working. We'd be bankrupt dealing with it.
Any idiot can go to war. Hell look at Bush. Getting out and getting
out on favorable terms, that's really hard. In between are a lot of
dead burnt bodies. No Chuck Norris, no Hollywood Shock and Awe. Dead
people, ours, theirs and some on the side.
For all those who have never been in the military and want to do the
rah rah bit and go to war, grow up.
For all those vets who want to go to Iran, if you're from Vietnam, hey
go mumble in your beer. One of these days you're not going to figure
out what the hell you went into the latrine for and you're either
going to get arrested as a deviate, or piss on your boots. They didn't
treat you worth a damn when you came back and it ain't getting any
better. The PTSD is worse and it costs more to boot. War in Iran
deserves to be in the fiction category. Go write one. There is no
reason for us to be there. Remember Kissinger and Nixon left POWs
there, or didn't get an accounting, either way, you can't say the
Republicans were the national security whizzes.
For all you WWII vets, I don't care what you did and how it was when
you were in and how soft things are now. Times change. As far as I'm
concerned, if we ain't attacked, I damn well dont' want to fight
someplace that dosent' have decent wine in the cellars, great women,
and decent food off base. No off limits bars off base? We shouldn't be
in the damn country. No decent R&R, we shouldn't be fighting for it.
Jack Linthicum
Stand by, I have a brother in law who is looking for a candidate for
President. You may have won.
Mark Test
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>
> "Mark Test" <MAR...@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
> news:2186b$48813c0d$21...@news.teranews.com...
> > "!Jones" <h...@there.org> wrote in message
> > news:vv7184l8bm1bhu980...@4ax.com...
> >> On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 20:55:15 -0500, in alt.war.vietnam "Mark Test"
> >> <MAR...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Why? Iran can not attack the US. Nor can they attack Israel.
> >> >The US does not import oil from Iran. Why should we talk
> >> >to a nation that supports terrorists?
> >>
> >> One man's "terrorist" is another man's "freedom fighter".
> >>
> > Uh, no.....
> >
> >> If you don't think it's worth our breath having a dialog with them.
> >> then why do you appear to believe that it's worth thousands of our
> >> childrens' lives waging war upon them?
> >>
> > What? let me say it loudly....IRAN CANNOT HIT US.
> > The US gets NO OIL from Iran
> > Iran supports terror.....so I simply say, ignore them.
> >
> > However, they must not be allowed to continue enriching uranium.
> > ...and Israel will probably handle that issue.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> > ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
>
>
> Iran has not invaded another country in 300 years.
Wrong....Hezzbulah is active in Israel and Palestine.....
> Iraq invaded Iran, during the Iran/Iraq war.
>
> Iran poses no threat to the USA, none whatsoever.
>
Concur...today they do not pose a threat....but at the rate
they are enriching uranium that could change in 12 months.
> What terrorist does Iran back?
>
Hezzbullah...
Matt Wiser
Not just Hezbollah, Mark. Palestinian Islamic Jihad, Hamas, and Sadr's Mehdi Army thugs
all get Iranian money, weapons, training, etc.
Raymond O'Hara
actually the saudis support hamas it is a sunni group like the saudis and
saddam's bathist party.
iran is shia and supports the shiite hezbollah, hezbollah and hamas are
rivals who hate each other.
stop listening to faux news and george bush and pay attention to what's
going on over their.
Matt Wiser
>
Yawn, sigh, whatever. Everyone notes Iran's support for the above-named groups; CNN,
FOX News, MSNBC (too liberal....), and the main newspapers. And yes, that includes the
(ugh!) New York Times....Iran's had its fingers in with Hezbollah and Hamas from their
beginnings, and they're also Sadr's main source of weapons and training.
Raymond O'Hara
sadr is a sunni, hezbollah is sunni.
hamas gets its money from the shia.
hezzbolah and hamas are not friendly organizations, they kill each other
when oppurtunity presents itself.
and no matter what you think you've read or seen iran doesn't bankroll
shiits. it doesn't bankroll al qaeda either.
now john mccain may not know the difference and you may not know the
difference, but i assure MSNBC does and you've not heard it from them.
i know all muslims are the same to you, but they aren't.
look up hezbollah and hamas. giving money to both would be like supporting
the IRA and UDL.
frank
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> "redvet" <red...@lava.net> wrote in message
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> news:csol74l5d43f287b0...@4ax.com...
>
>
>
> > On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 00:13:31 -0400, "Raymond O'Hara"
> > <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>"!Jones" <h...@there.org> wrote in message
> >>> On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:44:47 -0400, in alt.war.vietnam "Raymond
> >>> O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>> Good idea. If I were an Iranian leader, I'd have the Saudi oil depots
> >>>>> dialed into my missles as well as the port at Kuwait City... they can
> >>>>> and will shut down the oil supply, so, like it or not, they've got us
> >>>>> by the balls. When you're looking down the bore of a gun, "Go ahead,
> >>>>> punk, make my day," is the *wrong* thing to say!!!
>
> >>>>> Jones
>
> >>>>dialed in with what? those photoshopped missiles?
>
> >>> Well, all available evidence points to the conclusion that the
> >>> Iranians have the ability to hit any target in the Persian Gulf. All
> >>> they have to do is sit there and pick off one tanker a day in the
> >>> Strait of Hormuz... and they only have to shoot about six miles to do
> >>> that. Further, they've said explicitly that's their battle plan... US
> >>> banks are already failing and we're already stretched to the limit.
> >>> Starting a war with Iran is the *last* thing we should do because we
> >>> would certainly lose it. If you like $4.50/gal, just wait! It would
> >>> triple overnight and the US economy would fail.
>
> >>> Jones
>
> >>while attacking iran would be the worst mistake we could make. we could
> >>protect the saudis.
>
> > But not the wells, pumping stations and oil terminals. I'm reasonably
> > confidante that against a camel, a jockey, and a 35 year old 122mm
> > rocket, there would be difficulty in protecting those assets. Though
> > the rockets probably are better then when the PAVN used them . -
> > redvet
>
> how many attacks do you think they could make before we destroyed every
> launcher they own.
> get real.
> the iranian conventional forces would get crushed. and we still wouldn't
> win. but we'd get the oil from saudi arabia out
> the guerilla war in iraq would amp up beyond our ability to contain it.
Our track record going against mobile launchers is pretty abysmal.
Jack Linthicum
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> "Matt Wiser" <MattWiser...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1216680...@alibistextweb.com...
>
> > "Raymond O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Yawn, sigh, whatever. Everyone notes Iran's support for the above-named
> > groups; CNN,
> > FOX News, MSNBC (too liberal....), and the main newspapers. And yes, that
> > includes the
> > (ugh!) New York Times....Iran's had its fingers in with Hezbollah and
> > Hamas from their
> > beginnings, and they're also Sadr's main source of weapons and training.
>
> sadr is a sunni, hezbollah is sunni.
> hamas gets its money from the shia.
> hezzbolah and hamas are not friendly organizations, they kill each other
> when oppurtunity presents itself.
> and no matter what you think you've read or seen iran doesn't bankroll
> shiits. it doesn't bankroll al qaeda either.
> now john mccain may not know the difference and you may not know the
> difference, but i assure MSNBC does and you've not heard it from them.
>
> i know all muslims are the same to you, but they aren't.
> look up hezbollah and hamas. giving money to both would be like supporting
> the IRA and UDL.
I think one of your statements may be correct, but for now Sadr is a
Shia, Hezbollah is Shia, Iran bankrolls all of the Shia organizations
(sic) in Iraq, the leaders being primarily exiles from Saddam's days
in power.
deem...@aol.com
>
> news:1216680...@alibistextweb.com...
>
> > "Raymond O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Yawn, sigh, whatever. Everyone notes Iran's support for the above-named
> > groups; CNN,
> > FOX News, MSNBC (too liberal....), and the main newspapers. And yes, that
> > includes the
> > (ugh!) New York Times....Iran's had its fingers in with Hezbollah and
> > Hamas from their
> > beginnings, and they're also Sadr's main source of weapons and training.
>
> sadr is a sunni, hezbollah is sunni.
> hamas gets its money from the shia.
> hezzbolah and hamas are not friendly organizations, they kill each other
> when oppurtunity presents itself.
> and no matter what you think you've read or seen iran doesn't bankroll
> shiits. it doesn't bankroll al qaeda either.
> now john mccain may not know the difference and you may not know the
> difference, but i assure MSNBC does and you've not heard it from them.
>
> i know all muslims are the same to you, but they aren't.
> look up hezbollah and hamas. giving money to both would be like supporting
> the IRA and UDL.
Shoot, many businesses give big bucks to both Democrats and
Republicans.....just covering all the bases.
!Jones
O'Hara" <raymon...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> how many attacks do you think they could make before we destroyed every
>launcher they own.
>get real.
>the iranian conventional forces would get crushed. and we still wouldn't
>win. but we'd get the oil from saudi arabia out
>the guerilla war in iraq would amp up beyond our ability to contain it.
They only have to get one missle a week off its launcher... they don't
even have to hit anything and the price quadruples overnight. If you
think that the market has the jitters now, just wait until a war with
Iran starts!
Besides, Western understanding of the situation in and the
capabilities of countries in that reigon has always been in very short
supply. Nobody expected the Iraqis to have put up such effective
resistance; the Iranians just might get off more missles than you
think they will... anyway, I'm not willing to take the risk.
Jones
Jack Linthicum
> On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 02:35:46 -0400, in alt.war.vietnam "Raymond
>
Anyone remember General van Riper?
http://www.slate.com/id/2080814/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_K._Van_Riper
La N
You're right about the Iraqis. We were expecting hearts and flowers. Cheney
said it, and we believed it.
- nilita
deem...@aol.com
We got hearts and flowers.....then we stuck around.
La N
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Yeah ... sometimes it's hard to get rid of an unwanted suitor ...;)
- nilita
Fred J. McCall
:
:Yeah ... sometimes it's hard to get rid of an unwanted suitor ...;)
:
I'm sure every guy you've ever fixated on knows THAT feeling...
--
"Well, I met a girl in West Hollywood. I ain't naming names.
She really worked me over good. She was just like Jesse James.
She really worked me over good. She was a credit to her gender.
She put me through some changes, Lord.
Sort of like a Waring blender."
-- Warren Zevon, "Poor, Poor, Pitiful Me"
Jack Linthicum
Scripted and staged by Chelabi
La N
"Jack Linthicum" <jackli...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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And the rest, as they say .... is history .....
- nillita
deem...@aol.com
wrote:
Some. Some was celebration that Saddam was
gone.....it's not like the Shiites and Kurds were unhappy to see him
go.
deem...@aol.com
> "Jack Linthicum" <jacklinthi...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
"Mission Accomplished"
Raymond O'Hara
"frank" <dhssres...@netscape.net> wrote in message
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> launcher they own.
> get real.
> the iranian conventional forces would get crushed. and we still wouldn't
> win. but we'd get the oil from saudi arabia out
> the guerilla war in iraq would amp up beyond our ability to contain it.
Our track record going against mobile launchers is pretty abysmal.
its 100miles across the persian gulf from iran to saudi arabia.
122 missiles woint cut it.
and how are men with camels packing a 122mm missile {a fave theory of some
in this thread} going to get to saudi arabia?
Jack Linthicum
wrote:
> "frank" <dhssresearc...@netscape.net> wrote in message
boat, millions of them in the Gulf
redvet
>>
>> They only have to get one missle a week off its launcher... they don't
>> even have to hit anything and the price quadruples overnight. If you
>> think that the market has the jitters now, just wait until a war with
>> Iran starts!
>>
>> Besides, Western understanding of the situation in and the
>> capabilities of countries in that reigon has always been in very short
>> supply. Nobody expected the Iraqis to have put up such effective
>> resistance; the Iranians just might get off more missles than you
>> think they will... anyway, I'm not willing to take the risk.
>>
>> Jones
>
>Anyone remember General van Riper?
>
>http://www.slate.com/id/2080814/
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_K._Van_Riper
Yep, we posted about 'the war gamed' back in '03 in this newsgroup.
http://girights.objector.org/
http://www.objector.org/http://www.mfso.org/
http://www.ivaw.org/
redvet
Facilitator
Vietnam Veterans Against the War/Anti-Imperialist
http://www.oz.net/~vvawai/
Hawaii Chapter
Jim Watt
>On Jul 22, 12:49 am, "Raymond O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
> Shoot, many businesses give big bucks to both Democrats and
>Republicans.....just covering all the bases.
Thank heavens the US has never supported terrorists
or sold arms to Iran.
Wonder who armed and trained the Taliban ?
--
Jim Watt
http://www.gibnet.com
deem...@aol.com
> On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 03:47:38 -0700 (PDT), "deemsb...@aol.com"
>
> <deemsb...@aol.com> wrote:
> >On Jul 22, 12:49 am, "Raymond O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com>
> >wrote:
> > Shoot, many businesses give big bucks to both Democrats and
> >Republicans.....just covering all the bases.
>
> Thank heavens the US has never supported terrorists
> or sold arms to Iran.
>
> Wonder who armed and trained the Taliban ?
> --
> Jim Watt http://www.gibnet.com
They were "freedom fighters" back then.....is it our fault the
Soviets folded?
Kerryn Offord
I thought that was the intension... so "yes'...
deem...@aol.com
Like we really thought the commie bastards were gonna go down
like a submarine with screen doors. We had a really good thing going
for over 4 decades......