A weird recollection about security
dbo...@mindspring.com
operating in a nuclear disturbed atmosphere. I had relevant
clearances. At one point, I was at a conference with some Air Force
people (from AFGL if I recall correctly) and one of them introduced a
young guy saying "David, Tom here also went to FSU in Tallahassee and
majored in physics". Tom looked uncomfortable. I was surprised as
there really are not that many physics majors at any school and I
thought I would have known all of them at FSU. Tom supposedly had
lived in Tallahassee before starting FSU. I asked him about the
professors I had had at FSU and he was really vague and didnt seem to
know any of them. I asked which high school he had attended and he
told me "the county high school". There were three of them and he
would have known that. I asked where he had lived and he said "Maple
street on the west side of town". There is a Maple street but it is
not on the west side. I decided something was wrong and dropped the
subject as he didnt seem to want to discuss any common aquaintances.
Later, I told our company security officer about this but she just
shrugged it off.
ray o'hara
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He was CIA you are now being investigated, becare of what you say on the
phone.
P.S. you didn't hear this from me.
ray o'hara
Arved Sandstrom
It sounds like it should have been sussed out a bit. OTOH (and I am a
physics major myself) it doesn't seem like the kind of legend that I'd
choose to insert an agent with - even at the BSc level (as you pointed out)
there are not many people taking physics, and it's simply too easy to trip
up the fabricated story.
It may also be legit - I wouldn't know 95% of my former classmates if I saw
them face to face, let alone most of my profs - it's been over twenty years.
As for a school error, at the high school level, hell, *I* don't know how
many schools at any level exist in Halifax Regional Municipality, and I've
lived here most of my life. And some people misspeak, or don't know
directions - I know plenty of folks who can't identify north, south, east or
west no matter where you plant them in Halifax or Dartmouth.
AHS
ray o'hara
"Arved Sandstrom" > It may also be legit - I wouldn't know 95% of my former
classmates if I saw
> them face to face, let alone most of my profs - it's been over twenty
years.
> As for a school error, at the high school level, hell, *I* don't know how
> many schools at any level exist in Halifax Regional Municipality, and I've
> lived here most of my life. And some people misspeak, or don't know
> directions - I know plenty of folks who can't identify north, south, east
or
> west no matter where you plant them in Halifax or Dartmouth.
>
> AHS
>
>
Everybody remembers where they went to grammar and high school. those are
the most formative events of your life.
dbo...@mindspring.com
Mark Test
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nevertheless.
ray o'hara
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> If anybody investigates me they'll be bored to death.
>
always the best defence.
Graeme Wall
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> If anybody investigates me they'll be bored to death.
>
I did and I was...
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Arved Sandstrom
I know where _I_ went to elementary, junior high and high school, and
university, but that doesn't mean that I know where all the other schools
are. There are quite a few of them.
AHS
ray o'hara
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and you would just say i went to "the" county high school unless you were
aware there were more than one, and so you would say i went to"specific
name" county high school.
I know where i went to high school and i know the names of every school in
our sports league. you remember stuff like that. there are 3 high schools in
my town 1 public, a catholic girls and a prep-private, i know the names of
all of them. i went to the catholic grammar school but i know all the pblic
grammar schools names too.
Arved Sandstrom
> aware there were more than one, and so you would say i went to"specific
> name" county high school.
I suppose it depends on how the question is phrased, the frame of mind of
the askee, and their awareness of their locality. For example, as of not so
many years ago, there were 100 elementary schools, 36 junior high schools,
17 high schools, 20 private schools, three community college sites and 5
universities in Halifax Regional Municipality (I looked this up, obviously).
I know all the universities, but I'd be hard-pressed to name more than 3 or
4 private schools, and similarly for the junior highs and the high schools
and elementary schools.
I do admit that _I_ would name the specific schools I went to, if asked. But
I don't find it highly suspicious that someone simply says "the county high
school". Now, if pressed on the issue, and they didn't know the name, or
number, (in the case of districts that use stuff like P.S. #136), I'd be
suspicious.
> I know where i went to high school and i know the names of every school
in
> our sports league. you remember stuff like that. there are 3 high schools
in
> my town 1 public, a catholic girls and a prep-private, i know the names of
> all of them. i went to the catholic grammar school but i know all the
pblic
> grammar schools names too.
Would I personally have decided to check this guy out based on what you've
said, and what info he was privy to? Sure. To be honest, it doesn't sound to
me like it's a legend that any half-competent intelligence service would
have put together, though. If he was young at the time, presumably most of
his profs and teachers were still kicking up their heels, and still may be.
Neighbours - past & present - and relatives (purported) would be locatable.
A day or two of background checks would expose some gaping flaws.
You can manufacture a great deal of false documentation, but it's tough to
alter every school yearbook ever printed for School such-and-such in 1978,
or change all the school records, or convince a bunch of teachers and alumni
that you were also a student. As I understand it, it's almost the exact
wrong approach to create a history based on childhood, teenage years, and
young adulthood - not when it's located in the area that can be canvassed.
AHS
Mark Borgerson
happening to be in the town in which I now reside. The others---in
three cities in Montana, are just vague recollections.
Mark Borgerson
Howard C. Berkowitz
Borgerson <mborgerson.at.comcast.net> wrote:
I must confess that when I had my first full field investigation, at age
19, they indeed did go through my school records, including my being
expelled from kindergarten. Eventually, I was brought in to explain,
got tired of writing statements, and asked for a typewriter. I produced
nine pages, accurately recounting the truly bizarre events.
To this day, I don't know if their motivation was:
1. It was a slow day in Naval Intelligence [1]
2. Naval Intelligence, in this case, was an oxymoron, although
I would observe this group was an excellent existence proof
for the existence of counterintelligence
3. Someone really thought it was important
[1] This was in the late sixties, when the service counterintelligence
agencies still did BIs for then-DISCO, long before DIS.
Derek Lyons
>I do admit that _I_ would name the specific schools I went to, if asked. But
>I don't find it highly suspicious that someone simply says "the county high
>school".
It could also be that's what the denizens of the school called it - no
matter what the formal name of it was.
OTOH, I often get some odd looks when asked to name my high school.
We called it simply North, when the formal name was North Forsyth
Senior High School. (Five high schools in the county, North, West,
East, Parkland[1], and Reynolds.)
[1] Mr Parkland was the school superintendent who masterminded the
scheme to replace several scattered schools, all of which were in poor
physical condition, with four new ones (N,S,E,W). He died before
construction on the fourth was complete, and so the planned South
school became Parkland.
D.
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Sarah H
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> I must confess that when I had my first full field investigation, at age
> 19, they indeed did go through my school records, including my being
> expelled from kindergarten. Eventually, I was brought in to explain,
> got tired of writing statements, and asked for a typewriter. I produced
> nine pages, accurately recounting the truly bizarre events.
>
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Arved Sandstrom
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> "Howard C. Berkowitz" <h...@gettcomm.com> wrote in message
> news:hcb-AA2AD1.2...@newsgroups.comcast.net...
> >
> > I must confess that when I had my first full field investigation, at age
> > 19, they indeed did go through my school records, including my being
> > expelled from kindergarten. Eventually, I was brought in to explain,
> > got tired of writing statements, and asked for a typewriter. I produced
> > nine pages, accurately recounting the truly bizarre events.
> >
> Please enlighten us with an abridged version.
You may not want to hear it. Problem number one was that a cherubic Howard,
wearing lederhosen and a flowered shirt and wooden clogs, was expelled from
kindergarten at the age of 17 - he wasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer.
Problem number two was the accident with the principal of the school - Mr.
Symonds has never been the same since the liquid soap was liberally poured
on floors and steps. Problem number three was the incident downtown, and
I'll say no more about that.
Howard can elaborate.
AHS
P.S. I'm actually surprised I never got expelled from school, or suspended.
I figure between the strappings at school and the whippings by my father,
they thought I'd get a clue. I rebelled one year, and at the age of about 10
plodded off into a January blizzard with no money at about 9 or 10 PM,
resolved to make my way in the world - independently. Before midnight I was
back.
Howard C. Berkowitz
<asand...@accesswave.ca> wrote:
Probably not, however, at the third-grade suspension for concealing a
delayed-action hydrogen sulfide generator in a locker.
It's funny enough to be worth retelling. Let me preface with the comment
that I discussed this, as an adult, with the principal. Do remember that
the security criterion is that one cannot be blackmailed for the action.
1. She said she has considered her actions for many years, and is
at a loss to explain them.
2. When she was later indicted for stock market fraud, I stoutly
defended her reputation. What I did not emphasize, however, is
that I knew she was innocent because she was too stupid to think
up stock fraud.
Adding to the unreality of it all, through an odd series of events, the
then-school social worker wound up adopting me. The Men In Black showed
up at the school board and demanded she report on me not as my mother,
but as the appropriate mental health professional.
To put it mildly, kindergarten was boring. There are very mixed
blessings to coming into kindergarten when reading on an eighth-grade
(age 13 or so, for the non-US) level. I resisted the classic activities
such as finger-painting.
My rebellion grew to its height when I expressed my displeasure at being
told to stop reading my book and to go and finger-paint. This being the
end of the milk-and-cookies break, I first leaped to the tables and did
my stamping-out-wine impression on milk cartons. When the teacher yelled
at me to get down, I picked up a can of yellow finger paint and threw it
on her.
Off to the principal's office, unrepentant. Usually, being sent there
meant that I would be put in solitary confinement in the textbook
storage room, a delightful place.
She did call me into her office for the requisite lecture. At that
point, I had probably managed at least a one-week suspension. She was
then told that a parent had arrived for a conference.
For reasons that the principal never explained satisfactorily to me, to
her colleagues, or herself, she chose not to evict me, but to put me in
the kneewell of her desk, then slide her chair underneath, keeping me
under control.
I twisted around, and through a gap in the modesty panel of the desk,
saw the parent. Deciding I was bored, and had an audience, I began
making rude remarks about the school. The parent began looking around
madly, for the source of the childish piping.
To calm me, I suppose, the principal reached under the desk and tried to
pat me on the head. I sank my teeth into her hand, such that the
parent's first view of the source of the sounds was a four-year-old (I
think, maybe 5) being dragged out, still attached to the screaming
principal.
For some reason, the principal decided I was an incorrigible threat to
good order and discipline.
Sarah H
>
> To put it mildly, kindergarten was boring. There are very mixed
> blessings to coming into kindergarten when reading on an eighth-grade
> (age 13 or so, for the non-US) level. I resisted the classic activities
> such as finger-painting.
>
accommodating and I was given free rein to work through the school library.
I was not forced to finger paint. Having exhausted the school's supply of
books I began taking in my grandfather's books to read during breaktimes
though my parents drew the line at letting me take Spike Milligan's war
memoirs into school when I was 11 years old. Some teachers freaked a bit
when I was found reading biology textbooks (from 2nd hand sales) at a time
when other kids read Enid Blyton books.