Chinese Apple IPOD Factory has...Suicide Nets...surrounding the entire building

[jonathan]

A rather surreal scene in this day and age. The conditions
are so bad the high-tech factory has to surround it's building
with nets to catch their workers jumping from the roof.

IPOD meets Indentured Servitude!

Truth is most certainly stranger than fiction.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2103798/Revealed-Inside-Apples-Chinese-sweatshop-factory-workers-paid-just-1-12-hour.html


And China is a FIFTH of humanity, btw.
We still live in The Dark Ages,


s

[David E. Powell]

There's a potential for humor there, that if they were really barbaric they would not have them, but I totally believe you. Knowing how bad some sweat shops have been that have been busted in America I can only wonder how bad the ones overseas are. Still it is hard to get that kind of quality and drive the workers too hard, I would think.

The excellent line from "The Ten Commandments" about blood making poor mortar.

> s

[Vaughn]

On 9/26/2012 9:04 PM, jonathan wrote:
> A rather surreal scene in this day and age. The conditions
> are so bad the high-tech factory has to surround it's building
> with nets to catch their workers jumping from the roof.

And the connection to things naval is...?

[Andrew Swallow]

Chinese factories are making electronics for the Chinese navy.

Andrew Swallow

[Bill]

Well, every cloud has a silver lining...

[Dean Markley]

So every freaking thing is naval now because all rain comes from evaporation off the oceans which is where the navies are?

[David E. Powell]

Point taken.

[Jim H.]

A-freakin'-men! Yet another example of a ill-bred childish all-about-meee conservative / liberal feeling 'Because I can, I should. And I want to!'

Jim H.

[jonathan]

"David E. Powell" <David_Po...@msn.com> wrote in message
news:36190f3e-a8c1-46c9...@googlegroups.com...

> There's a potential for humor there, that if they were really barbaric
> they would not have them,

I think what's so telling is the Apple factories, and other western
owned factories, are the cream of the crop, much higher standards
than normal for China.

So one has to wonder, how bad is 'normal'?

>The excellent line from "The Ten Commandments" about blood
> making poor mortar.

On an optimistic note, those sweat shops are building devices that help
spread the Internet, spreading doom for dictators everywhere.

The Chinese Communist Party still doesn't get capitalism.
They think they can control it.


> s

[jonathan]

"Vaughn" <vaugh...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:k41ft6$m8r$1...@speranza.aioe.org...

Indirectly I guess. Dictators cause all the wars.
China supports Iran and N Korea and just about
anyone that hates us. Like Putin. You know Putin just
gave the big boot to all the western sponsored
pro-democracy groups in Russia.


"USAid ordered out of Moscow as Putin's
protest crackdown continues"
The Guardian, Tuesday 18 September 2012

"American agency for international development has until
1 October to shut its office in Moscow"

"The administration official remained defiant about US funding
of civil society in Russia, saying the order to close the agency
"doesn't mean we've changed our policy of supporting the kinds
of actors USAid has supported".

"Over the coming weeks and months, the Obama administration
will look at ways to advance our old policy objectives with
new means," the official said."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/sep/18/usaid-moscow-putin-protest

[Andrew Swallow]

On 28/09/2012 03:09, jonathan wrote:
{snip}

> On an optimistic note, those sweat shops are building devices that help
> spread the Internet, spreading doom for dictators everywhere.
>
> The Chinese Communist Party still doesn't get capitalism.
> They think they can control it.

The outgoing Chinese leaders were content to allow the factories to
grow. The fun will start with the next set of rulers.

I also have a feeling that they are going to be very militaristic. A
few invasions and Chinese goods will be embargoed by the USA. This will
be a big help to Mexico and Brazil. Corrupt bureaucracy will kill
wealth creation in India.

Andrew Swallow

[Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.]

Fred J. McCall wrote:

> "jonathan" <wr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Dictators cause all the wars.
>>
>
>

> Wrong again. And you claim to be majoring in politics?
> BWAAAHAAAAhahahahahahahhahahahaaa!!!

I must be doing something wrong when Chickenshit McCall agrees with me.
;-)

[Jeffrey Hamilton]

Fred J. McCall wrote:
> "jonathan" <wr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>

>> Dictators cause all the wars.
>>
>

> Wrong again. And you claim to be majoring in politics?
> BWAAAHAAAAhahahahahahahhahahahaaa!!!

You sure got him that time, Fredfreaka.
Because everyone knows it's the Republicans that cause all wars these days.

BWAAAHAAAAhahahahahahahhahahahaaa!!!

cheers...Jeff

[Dean Markley]

Name the republican president who ordered US forces to war in Libya last year, will you?

[Bill]

On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 05:36:22 -0700 (PDT), Dean Markley
<dama...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Name the republican president who ordered US forces to war in Libya last year, will you?

Did the US lose any men in that war?

[jonathan]

"Fred J. McCall" <fjmc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:me8a689ng1dk8ihk7...@4ax.com...

> "jonathan" <wr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Dictators cause all the wars.
>>
>

> Wrong again.


If you were to actually read once in a while, and look at all
the horrible atrocities against humanity, no matter how
different, distant or back in time all this misery was, there
is one COMMOM element to virtually each and every one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_and_anthropogenic_disasters_by_death_toll


A DICTATORSHIP!

When one, or a few, have all the power....horrors follow.
LOOK at the list!



--G. Behn

[peter skelton]

"jonathan" wrote in message
news:7POdnd-JUbs93fXN...@giganews.com...

OFCS, you blithering idiot. Is the US a dictatorship? It
fought lots of Indian wars. Had the BOer war a dictatorship
on either side? How about the Franco-Prussian tilt?
Pakistan-India? . . .

[Bill]

On Sun, 30 Sep 2012 08:52:56 -0400, "jonathan" <wr...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>"Fred J. McCall" <fjmc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:me8a689ng1dk8ihk7...@4ax.com...
>> "jonathan" <wr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Dictators cause all the wars.
>>>
>>
>> Wrong again.
>
>
>If you were to actually read once in a while, and look at all
>the horrible atrocities against humanity, no matter how
>different, distant or back in time all this misery was, there
>is one COMMOM element to virtually each and every one.
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_and_anthropogenic_disasters_by_death_toll
>
>
>A DICTATORSHIP!

Look again, idiot.

[jonathan]

"Fred J. McCall" <fjmc...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:5dog68pu13o5jcqb7...@4ax.com...

> "jonathan" <wr...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>
>>When one, or a few, have all the power....horrors follow.
>>LOOK at the list!
>>
>

> You said "Dictators cause *ALL* wars".
>

> I think you're confused. Hitler was elected. So was Churchill.


I'm speechless!




>
>
> --
> "Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
> territory."
> --G. Behn

[jonathan]

"peter skelton" <skel...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:k49j3q$oa9$1...@dont-email.me...

I suppose I should correct my above statement to say that
dictatorships cause 99.86% of all human misery.
And for all the idiots, that's a figurative statement.
I don't mean to say I've counted all the dead bodies
throughout all of human history and computed that
dictatorships are responsible for precisely 99.86%
of them.

Are you going to read that list and honestly deny the
simple glaring fact that dictatorships are the problem?
It's hard to take anyone seriously when they claim
the exception is the rule.

s







>

[Bill]

On Sun, 30 Sep 2012 14:45:36 -0400, "jonathan" <wr...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>"Fred J. McCall" <fjmc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:5dog68pu13o5jcqb7...@4ax.com...
>> "jonathan" <wr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>
>>>When one, or a few, have all the power....horrors follow.
>>>LOOK at the list!
>>>
>>
>> You said "Dictators cause *ALL* wars".
>>
>
>> I think you're confused. Hitler was elected. So was Churchill.
>
>
>I'm speechless!
>

So am I.

Churchill wasn't, except in Oldham...

[Bill]

On Sun, 30 Sep 2012 14:52:24 -0400, "jonathan" <wr...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>I suppose I should correct my above statement to say that
>dictatorships cause 99.86% of all human misery.
>And for all the idiots, that's a figurative statement.
>I don't mean to say I've counted all the dead bodies
>throughout all of human history and computed that
>dictatorships are responsible for precisely 99.86%
>of them.

You're an idiot.

>Are you going to read that list and honestly deny the
>simple glaring fact that dictatorships are the problem?

They are certainly one problem.

However the British Empire and US internal expansion shows that it is
quite possible for democracies to perpetrate atrocities as well.

[Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.]

Fred J. McCall wrote:

> "jonathan" <wr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>

> You said "Dictators cause *ALL* wars".
>
> I think you're confused. Hitler was elected. So was Churchill.

No, son, Hitler was not elected...he was appointed.
;-)

[Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.]

jonathan wrote:

> "Fred J. McCall" <fjmc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:5dog68pu13o5jcqb7...@4ax.com...
>
>>"jonathan" <wr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>When one, or a few, have all the power....horrors follow.
>>>LOOK at the list!
>>>
>>
>>You said "Dictators cause *ALL* wars".
>>
>
>
>>I think you're confused. Hitler was elected. So was Churchill.
>
>
>
> I'm speechless!

Coward McCall has close relatives who were Nazis (or served the Nazis...same thing).

btw, Hitler was not elected...he was appointed...and, of course, he became a dictator
;-)

[Bill]

So was Churchill...

[peter skelton]

"jonathan" wrote in message
news:w6ednXWPOrp_CfXN...@giganews.com...

Where do you think dictatorships come from? They are not a
cause, they are a result, or, as one might argue, a stage on
the way.

>Are you going to read that list and honestly deny the
simple glaring fact that dictatorships are the problem?
It's hard to take anyone seriously when they claim
the exception is the rule.

Yes, I sure as hell am going to state the obvious truth that
dictatorships are not the problem. They are a symptom, they
tend to go away when the root cause is removed.







>

[Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.]

The important point was meant to be about Hitler, not Churchill, you
slow brained twat.
;-)

[Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.]

jonathan wrote:
>>>
>>>>Dictators cause all the wars.

Son, it's people like you, frothing at the mouth for war, that cause wars.

(and the prick knows he will be safe while others die)
;-)

[Bill]

On Sun, 30 Sep 2012 13:52:16 -0700, "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D."

The point you're missing, and we all realise that you're not terribly
bright, is that Hitler's mandate was certainly more valid than
Churchill's.

The appeasers were elected, Churchill's 'war party' was
marginalised.

The only reason the British went to war was Hitler's endless
territorial aggression.

[Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.]

Now explain how you lying about Hitler being elected, and therefore
not a dictator, makes that point...you slow brained lying twat.
;-)

[Bill]

On Sun, 30 Sep 2012 18:04:42 -0700, "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D."

Still not terribly bright...

Piss off now, you're dismissed.

[Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.]

Fred J. McCall wrote:

> Apparently Coldine U doesn't teach about 'parliamentary systems of
> government'.

he he he...defending a few votes by Nazi thugs as an example of democracy is pathetic.

(McCall has close relatives who were Nazis (or willingly served the Nazis...same thing))
;-)

[Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.]

ah...the liar has tired of lying (in this thread).
;-)

[Jeffrey Hamilton]

Dean Markley wrote:
> Name the republican president who ordered US forces to war in Libya
> last year, will you?

I don't recall any US forces with 'boots on the ground' in Libya, Dean, do
you ?

cheers....Jeff

[Bill]

I don't recall any US military people even getting killed or wounded.

If only all wars worked out like that for the major powers...

[Dean Markley]

So those sailors launching Tomahawks and those aircrew dropping bombs aren't really at war? And as for boots on the ground..well there was that F-15 that went down and a V-22 went to retrieve the crew. If you want to get technical, I can too!

[Dean Markley]

Bill, I'd call that a "good" war.

[Bill]

It is, to me, the way ahead.

And if, when the smoke clears, the Libyan government is as rabid as
ever we can do it again for no human cost to ourselves.

The major pity is that Bush didn't do it when the Marsh Arabs rose up
in revolt at his prompting...

But if we can get a group to take up arms in Iran I see an opportunity
to break them without serious loss of life on our side.

[David E. Powell]

On Tuesday, October 2, 2012 3:10:09 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote:
> On Tue, 2 Oct 2012 11:52:57 -0700 (PDT), Dean Markley
>
> <dama...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Tuesday, October 2, 2012 11:02:06 AM UTC-4, Bill wrote:
>
> >> On Tue, 2 Oct 2012 08:24:05 -0400, "Jeffrey Hamilton"
>
> >>
>
> >> <bbere...@cogeco.ca> wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> >Dean Markley wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >> >> Name the republican president who ordered US forces to war in Libya
>
> >>
>
> >> >> last year, will you?
>
> >>
>
> >> >
>
> >>
>
> >> >I don't recall any US forces with 'boots on the ground' in Libya, Dean, do
>
> >>
>
> >> >you ?
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> I don't recall any US military people even getting killed or wounded.
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> If only all wars worked out like that for the major powers...
>
> >
>
> >Bill, I'd call that a "good" war.
>
>
>
> It is, to me, the way ahead.
>
>
>
> And if, when the smoke clears, the Libyan government is as rabid as
>
> ever we can do it again for no human cost to ourselves.
>
>
>
> The major pity is that Bush didn't do it when the Marsh Arabs rose up
>
> in revolt at his prompting...

I agree, it hurt us after the second Iraq war too as there were trust issues.

Backing the Marsh Arabs ising up could have solved that whole mess. Hm. mThe Saudis and others all thought Saddam was toast but underestimated his nastiness. Allowing choppers to fly also hurt as Iraqi gunships hit the rebels hard. Air cover would have been massive.

> But if we can get a group to take up arms in Iran I see an opportunity
>
> to break them without serious loss of life on our side.

It almost happened in the Post-Election protests a couple years back. A lot of Iranians do not like their government. Seeing Iraq and Afghanistan might help too as there are democratic planks going on, not totally but to a fair degree, in both nations.

[Jeffrey Hamilton]

Indeed, I believe the total US losses was one plane...

cheers....Jeff

[Jeffrey Hamilton]

Fred J. McCall wrote:

> Yeah, airplanes don't count! Not war at all!
>
> And just who do you think was telling the airplanes where to bomb?

"BOOTS ON THE GROUND", Fredfeces, or do you believe they were really
long-legged US pilots ?

cheers....Jeff

[Jeffrey Hamilton]

Dean Markley wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 2, 2012 8:24:01 AM UTC-4, Jeffrey Hamilton wrote:
>> Dean Markley wrote:
>>
>>> Name the republican president who ordered US forces to war in Libya
>>
>>> last year, will you?
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't recall any US forces with 'boots on the ground' in Libya,
>> Dean, do
>>
>> you ?
>>
>>
>>
>> cheers....Jeff
>
> So those sailors launching Tomahawks and those aircrew dropping bombs
> aren't really at war?

So no "boots on then ground", correct ?

>And as for boots on the ground..well there was
> that F-15 that went down and a V-22 went to retrieve the crew.

A downed aircrew and their rescuers are not "BOOTS ON THE GROUND", do try
again though !

>If you want to get technical, I can too!

Can you ? Do let me know when you're going to begin, Dean.

cheers....Jeff

[Jeffrey Hamilton]

Bill wrote:
> On Tue, 2 Oct 2012 11:52:57 -0700 (PDT), Dean Markley
> <dama...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, October 2, 2012 11:02:06 AM UTC-4, Bill wrote:
>>> On Tue, 2 Oct 2012 08:24:05 -0400, "Jeffrey Hamilton"
>>>
>>> <bbere...@cogeco.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Dean Markley wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Name the republican president who ordered US forces to war in
>>>>> Libya
>>>
>>>>> last year, will you?
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> I don't recall any US forces with 'boots on the ground' in Libya,
>>>> Dean, do
>>>
>>>> you ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't recall any US military people even getting killed or
>>> wounded.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If only all wars worked out like that for the major powers...
>>
>> Bill, I'd call that a "good" war.
>
> It is, to me, the way ahead.
>
> And if, when the smoke clears, the Libyan government is as rabid as
> ever we can do it again for no human cost to ourselves.
>
> The major pity is that Bush didn't do it when the Marsh Arabs rose up
> in revolt at his prompting...

Agreed. Serious loss of *FACE* there for the _untrustworthy_ Americans !

> But if we can get a group to take up arms in Iran I see an opportunity
> to break them without serious loss of life on our side.

Well, we could probably help them but I'd be willing to bet the Persians are
much better fighters then the Iraqis were. The cost to our pilots might be a
lot heavier than we've experienced as of late.

cheers....Jeff

[Bill]

On Sat, 6 Oct 2012 18:52:19 -0400, "Jeffrey Hamilton"
<bbere...@cogeco.ca> wrote:

>Bill wrote:

>> But if we can get a group to take up arms in Iran I see an opportunity
>> to break them without serious loss of life on our side.
>
>Well, we could probably help them but I'd be willing to bet the Persians are
>much better fighters then the Iraqis were. The cost to our pilots might be a
>lot heavier than we've experienced as of late.

True, but that's a political risk the appropriate politician will
have to consider at the time.

[Dean Markley]

Well, I see we are in another semantics argument. My original question was "name the Republican president who ordered US forces to war in Libya". Then you qualified that to mean "boots on the ground".

[Jeffrey Hamilton]

> Let me ask the question again, for the self-identified slow of wit:

> And just who do you think was telling the airplanes where to bomb?

And I'll repeat my statement again, for the self-identified sociopathic
fuckwit:

"I don't recall any US forces with 'boots on the ground' in Libya,"

So fuckwit, where were the US forces on the ground ? I've had a very good
look around and I've found nothing indicating that they were there. Try a
response that includes something other than handwaving, this time.

cheers....Jeff

[Jeffrey Hamilton]

Yep, we are.

> My original question was

Silly and nothing more than partisan politics.

>"name the Republican president who ordered US forces to
> war in Libya".

Let's face it, with President Obama's leadership, we (NATO et al)ended up
with a TRUE "Mission Accomplished" moment with ZERO fatalities.

Now compare that record to the last Republican Predident's attack on a
soverign nation !

> Then you qualified that to mean "boots on >the ground".

<yawn>

Let's face it, you Republicans are just terminally jealous of any Democrat
President's success.

cheers....Jeff

[Jeffrey Hamilton]

You're probably quite correct, William, particularily if it looks like
they're about to test a bomb. I don't really relish the thought of that
though.

cheers....Jeff

[Andrew Swallow]

The British and US forces in Libya were camera shy.

Andrew Swallow

[Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.]

Fred J. McCall wrote:
> "Jeffrey Hamilton" <bbere...@cogeco.ca> wrote:
>
>
>>Fred J. McCall wrote:
>>
>>>"Jeffrey Hamilton" <bbere...@cogeco.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Fred J. McCall wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Jeffrey Hamilton" <bbere...@cogeco.ca> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Dean Markley wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Name the republican president who ordered US forces to war in
>>>>>>>Libya last year, will you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I don't recall any US forces with 'boots on the ground' in Libya,
>>>>>>Dean, do you ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Yeah, airplanes don't count! Not war at all!
>>>>>
>>>>>And just who do you think was telling the airplanes where to bomb?
>>>>
>>>>"BOOTS ON THE GROUND", Fredfeces, or do you believe they were really
>>>>long-legged US pilots ?
>>>>
>>>
>>>Let me ask the question again, for the self-identified slow of wit:
>>>And just who do you think was telling the airplanes where to bomb?
>>
>>And I'll repeat my statement again, for the self-identified sociopathic
>>fuckwit:
>>"I don't recall any US forces with 'boots on the ground' in Libya,"
>>
>
>

> Your mental limitations have little to do with this discussion.

>
>
>>So fuckwit, where were the US forces on the ground ? I've had a very good
>>look around and I've found nothing indicating that they were there. Try a
>>response that includes something other than handwaving, this time.
>>
>
>

> Third time's the charm. Perhaps some dim flicker of thought will
> briefly illuminate the interior of Skipshite's head and he'll
> understand the point of the question: And just who do you think was

> telling the airplanes where to bomb?

You've lost this one, Fwed...Jeff is correct...no U.S. forces on the ground.
;-)

[Dean Markley]

Well, I'm glad we got that resolved. Now be careful assuming who is a Republican around here. And no, I am not jealous of any Democrat president's successes. I think FDR and Harry Truman did just fine. Obama did good with Libya in getting the other NATO members to step forward. And they did with very good results. But I also think that war is not typical. I also think the results had more to do with the military leaders of NATO than with President Obama's leadership or decisions.

[Jeffrey Hamilton]

Well if you're not a Republican, Dean, then I have to admit I have
absolutely no idea, where you are coming from and I also have no idea why
you engaged me in the first place.

cheers....Jeff

[Jeffrey Hamilton]

Possibly, Andrew, but I believe any US forces on the ground were
nonexistant.

cheers.....Jeff

> Andrew Swallow

[Dean Markley]

The point is not all Americans are so easily categorized. There are Republicans who vote Democrat and vice versa. There are also independents, Libertarians and others.

[Andrew Swallow]

The British SAS may have done all the work with the Libyan rebels but I
suspect that Delta Force will have wanted to join the fun.

Andrew Swallow

[Dean Markley]

On Thursday, October 11, 2012 1:17:13 AM UTC-4, Fred J. McCall wrote:

> >The British SAS may have done all the work with the Libyan rebels but I
>
> >suspect that Delta Force will have wanted to join the fun.
>
> >
>
>
>

> Perhaps, but they typically don't control strike aircraft. Think
>
> FACs/JTACs...
>
>
>
> --
>
> You have never lived until you have almost died.
>
> Life has a special meaning that the protected
>
> will never know.

OK, a simple google search confirms there were US "troops" on the ground. At least four of them!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/12/us-boots-on-ground-in-libya-pentagon-confirms/

[Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.]

Jeffrey Hamilton wrote:

> Dean Markley wrote:
>
>>Name the republican president who ordered US forces to war in Libya
>>last year, will you?
>
>
> I don't recall any US forces with 'boots on the ground' in Libya, Dean, do
> you ?

Regardless, Obama ordered U.S. military to war in Libya...and undoubtedly also
in Syria, Iran, and every other country over there...mostly in blind support of Jewish Israel.
;-)

[Bill]

What really upsets you is that no US soldier died.

That a Democrat ran a better war than a Republican did is obviously
something that you dislike intensely.

Or is it that he's black?

You previous statements on Jews certainly proves your underlying
racism.

[Ben]

On Oct 11, 7:20 am, "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <d...@coldine.edu>
wrote:

The US is building firewalls to protect Israel, so it is looking for
reasons to invade or creating chaos to weaken Israel neighboring
nations: Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, Egypt, Libya, Syria, Pakistan.
Despite protests from Russia and China, the US continue to build more
firewalls. Eventually the US will drop its allies such as Afghanistan,
Iraq, Egypt, Jordan, Saudis Arabia, and Kuwait and let them die like
South Vietnam when it no longer need them. The people of Iraq and
Afghanistan saw what happened to South Vietnam in 1975 and thus they
want to get rid of the US and seek solutions for their own nations,
and not the American solution. As more Afghan soldiers turn their guns
against American ally, its is time for Americans to realize that they
can only fool the South Vietnamese but cannot fool the Afghans.

[Bill]

On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 07:49:02 -0700 (PDT), Ben <pb5...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Oct 11, 7:20�am, "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <d...@coldine.edu>
>wrote:
>> Jeffrey Hamilton wrote:
>> > Dean Markley wrote:
>>
>> >>Name the republican president who ordered US forces to war in Libya
>> >>last year, will you?
>>
>> > I don't recall any US forces with 'boots on the ground' in Libya, Dean, do
>> > you ?
>>
>> Regardless, Obama ordered U.S. military to war in Libya...and undoubtedly also
>> in Syria, Iran, and every other country over there...mostly in blind support of Jewish Israel.
>> ;-)
>
>The US is building firewalls to protect Israel, so it is looking for
>reasons to invade or creating chaos to weaken Israel neighboring
>nations: Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, Egypt, Libya, Syria, Pakistan.

Have you considered looking at a map?

Do you know just how far Pakistan is from Israel?

>Despite protests from Russia and China, the US continue to build more
>firewalls. Eventually the US will drop its allies such as Afghanistan,
>Iraq, Egypt, Jordan, Saudis Arabia, and Kuwait and let them die like
>South Vietnam when it no longer need them. The people of Iraq and
>Afghanistan saw what happened to South Vietnam in 1975 and thus they
>want to get rid of the US and seek solutions for their own nations,
>and not the American solution. As more Afghan soldiers turn their guns
>against American ally, its is time for Americans to realize that they
>can only fool the South Vietnamese but cannot fool the Afghans.

The idea that the average Afghan fighter is aware of Vietnam is best
considered a conceit of the lunatic end of US political thought.

[Uncle Steve]

I've decided that it is probably more productive to write the software
package that has so far been the subject of much espionage by some of
your idiot contemporaries. Since your psychological warfare
operations, the attempts on my life, and all the rest of the illegal
shit you and yours have committed has so far been protected by your
respective governments (and the corrupt court system), and as I don't
have enough real names with which to launch civil proceedings,
criminal or otherwise, the prospect of litigation to obtain
compensation for all of the years you've stolen, as well as the
recovery of my relative's savings (who it seems was robbed by the same
Lisa Harsh who under an assumed name, participated in the fraudulent
criminal harassment proceedings in 2001), I have a better idea.

While the code in question will be released under reasonable non-free
licensing terms, governments, police, and military-related users will
be subject to onerous financial run-time licensing fees, as well as
deployment constraints which will disallow certain applications. I'm
sure that won't stop the assholes who already have stolen the IP, but
at least the rest of the government can be made to pay for your
criminality. Organizations and individuals who I have identified as
being involved in all the uncivilized illegalities will, of course, be
expressly prohibited from using the system until the appropriate
prosecutions are made, and the appropriate public apologies are made
in full-page adds in national newspaper media.

You can tell your assholes to not bother posting messages that make
suggestions related to the algorithms, as you did more than ten years
ago when I was working on the seeds that led to some of the more
current code. I won't be paying attention, but if I do see more of
those messages you can be certain they will be flagged for
hypothetical future criminal prosecutions for espionage and the like.

That bullshit penny-stock mining company that was set up in BC to make
a claim on what was to be my corporation's name is going to get
ass-raped, along with its "investors". Bank on that one.

And finally, eat shit and die, all you worthless right-tard dumb-shit
plutocratic intellectual-wannabe brain-damaged animals.


Regards,

Uncle Steve

--
My people and I have come to an agreement that satisfies us both.
They are to say what they please, and I am to do what I please.
- Frederick the Great, c. 1770

[Uncle Steve]

For your information, this is the preliminary list of organizations
that will be prohibited for using any software products that I may
publish. The list will be extended as I go through my records,
although note that the military and intelligence services of the
following countries will be included: Australia, New Zeland, South
Africa, and Germany. I have data suggesting that individuals from
those countries have been involved as well, and I'm going to hold
the military/intel agencies as responsible.


Corporate:
------------

Bell Media
Brown and Daniels
Cambria Design
Canadian Broadcasting Corporation
CBL Data Recovery
Center for Addiction and Mental Health
Eastern Construction Co. Ltd
George Brown College
Hilton Hotels and Resorts
Humber College
Lewis Downy Tornosky Lassaline & Timpano
Lighting, Nelson, and Garret
Madesin General Contractors, LTD
MCI, Inc.
McMaster University
Metron Construction, Canada
P G Disposal Services LTD
Rogers Media
Ryerson University
Sick Kids Hospital, Toronto
Situation Publishing Limited
Starbucks Coffee Company
Star Media Group
St. Michael's Hospital
SST Group
The Binatech Group of Companies
The Canadian Television Fund
The Ontario College Of Physicians
The University Health Network, Toronto
The University of Toronto
Toronto Homeworks
Tremton Construction, Canada
True Blue Inc.


Government:
-----------
Canadian Security and Intelligence Service
Halton-Peel Regional Police Service
Liquor Control Board of Ontario
Metropolitan Toronto Police Service
Ontario Ministry of Community Safety and Correctional Services
Ontario Ministry of Education
Ontario Ministry of Labor
Ontario Ministry of the Attorney General
Ontario Minsitry of Health and Long-Term Care
Ontario Provincial Police
Royal Canadian Mounted Police
The British Foreign & Commonwealth Office
The Canadian Ministry of National Defense
The City of Burlington
The City of Hamilton
The City of Oakville
The City of Toronto
The Court of Ontario
The United Kingdom Secret Intelligence Service
The United Kingdom Government Communications Headquarters
The United States National Security Agency
The United States Central Intelligence Agency
The United States Department of Defense
The United States Department of State
The United States Federal Bureau of Investigation
The United States Treasury Department
York Region Police Service

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

In article <1358fef8e0...@gmail.com>, Uncle Steve <stev...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>

another job well done

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

In article <4bb543ae94...@gmail.com>, Uncle Steve <stev...@gmail.com>
wrote:

we don't need your permission to use your software, we already have the
paperwork to claim your software is a security risk

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[Uncle Steve]

On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 06:34:16PM -0700, Malcom Mal Reynolds wrote:
> we don't need your permission to use your software, we already have the
> paperwork to claim your software is a security risk

That's a load of crap. Stage three of the project will extremely
secure for its intended application. Which is not to say that idiots
will be unable to misconfigure it. But if it were written by a
friendly defense contractor, I'm sure you'd be happy to use it. But
it isn't, and won't, and duplication of the effort will infringe on
the IP. But if you work for a prohibited organization, your
company/department has the perfectly legal option of meeting the
criterion for being removed from the list. In which case, there would
be no barrier to it's use once you've purchased a license.

There will be a provisio to prohibit defense contractors from
manufacturing products with the aid of the software if its sale is
intended to go to a prohibited organization.

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

In article <469d1c9b85...@gmail.com>, Uncle Steve <stev...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 06:34:16PM -0700, Malcom Mal Reynolds wrote:
> > we don't need your permission to use your software, we already have the
> > paperwork to claim your software is a security risk
>
> That's a load of crap. Stage three of the project will extremely
> secure for its intended application. Which is not to say that idiots
> will be unable to misconfigure it. But if it were written by a
> friendly defense contractor, I'm sure you'd be happy to use it. But
> it isn't, and won't, and duplication of the effort will infringe on
> the IP. But if you work for a prohibited organization, your
> company/department has the perfectly legal option of meeting the
> criterion for being removed from the list. In which case, there would
> be no barrier to it's use once you've purchased a license.
>
> There will be a provisio to prohibit defense contractors from
> manufacturing products with the aid of the software if its sale is
> intended to go to a prohibited organization.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Uncle Steve

pish posh, as soon as the paperwork makes it thru the chain of lawyers, none of
your concerns will matter. it may be that the gov't will pay you $1 to satisfy
some of the lessor known laws concerning this, but it is more likely that even
that small bit of humor will be bypassed while you sign your non-disclosure
documents.

We will have the last laugh

[dott.Piergiorgio]

Il 13/10/2012 02:51, Uncle Steve ha scritto:
> For your information, this is the preliminary list of organizations
> that will be prohibited for using any software products that I may
> publish. The list will be extended as I go through my records,
> although note that the military and intelligence services of the
> following countries will be included: Australia, New Zeland, South
> Africa, and Germany. I have data suggesting that individuals from
> those countries have been involved as well, and I'm going to hold
> the military/intel agencies as responsible.

for once Italian military and intel are not involved and messing things
(as customary in whatever alliance Italy is...) :D

Best regards between the smiles,
dott. Piergiorgio.

[jonathan]

"Uncle Steve" <stev...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4bb543ae94...@gmail.com...

> For your information, this is the preliminary list of organizations
> that will be prohibited for using any software products that I may
> publish. The list will be extended as I go through my records,
> although note that the military and intelligence services of the
> following countries will be included: Australia, New Zeland, South
> Africa, and Germany. I have data suggesting that individuals from
> those countries have been involved as well, and I'm going to hold
> the military/intel agencies as responsible.

What software? And how do I get on your list, I hate being
left off lists.

[Jeffrey Hamilton]

> Unfortunately for you, reality is pretty unimpressed with what you
> believe and persists in being what it is, regardless.

The minute you find some proof youy post it here, OK ?
Meanwhile, go wank somewhere else, your obsessiveness is boring !

cheers....Jeff

[Jeffrey Hamilton]

> You think they publicize that sort of thing? Wow, you ARE naive!

You think they could hide that sort of thing, after all this time ? Wow, you
ARE stupid !

cheers....Jeff

[Jeffrey Hamilton]

Fred J. McCall wrote:
> "Jeffrey Hamilton" <bbere...@cogeco.ca> wrote:
>
>> Fred J. McCall wrote:
>>> "Jeffrey Hamilton" <bbere...@cogeco.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Fred J. McCall wrote:
>>>>> "Jeffrey Hamilton" <bbere...@cogeco.ca> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dean Markley wrote:
>>>>>>> Name the republican president who ordered US forces to war in
>>>>>>> Libya last year, will you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't recall any US forces with 'boots on the ground' in Libya,
>>>>>> Dean, do you ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, airplanes don't count! Not war at all!
>>>>>
>>>>> And just who do you think was telling the airplanes where to bomb?
>>>>
>>>> "BOOTS ON THE GROUND", Fredfeces, or do you believe they were
>>>> really long-legged US pilots ?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Let me ask the question again, for the self-identified slow of wit:
>>> And just who do you think was telling the airplanes where to bomb?
>>
>> And I'll repeat my statement again, for the self-identified
>> sociopathic fuckwit:
>> "I don't recall any US forces with 'boots on the ground' in Libya,"
>>
>

> Your mental limitations have little to do with this discussion.

Your constant lying and obfuscation however, does.

>> So fuckwit, where were the US forces on the ground ? I've had a very
>> good look around and I've found nothing indicating that they were
>> there. Try a response that includes something other than handwaving,
>> this time.
>>
>

> Third time's the charm. Perhaps some dim flicker of thought will
> briefly illuminate the interior of Skipshite's head and he'll
> understand the point of the question: And just who do you think was

> telling the airplanes where to bomb?

Perhaps reality will sink into your braincase, however, I'm not optomistic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_military_intervention_in_Libya

Reaction

"Since the start of the campaign, there have been allegations of violating
the limits imposed upon the intervention by Resolution 1973 and by US law.
At the end of May 2011, Western troops were captured on film in Libya,
despite Resolution 1973 specifically forbidding "a foreign occupation force
of any form on any part of Libyan territory".[201] In the article however,
it reports that armed Westerners but not Western troops were on the
ground.[201]"

President Obama wasn't worried about Resolution 1973, US law however is a
much different matter.
Let's be candid here, phuckwit, if there's one thing Republicans hate, it's
a successful military intervention initiated by a Democrat President, now
make that a successful military intervention without *ANY* American troops
in body bags and they'll go fuckin' ballsitic !

The Republicans wouldn't and couldn't keep *the* secret if President Obama
had commited US "boots on the ground" and you've just self proclaimed
yourself that you're a lying TWAT for pretending that they would !

cheers....Jeff

[Jeffrey Hamilton]

> Of course they could, Skipshite. It happens all the time.

Oh, really ? Cite ?

Rumours got out about SAS involvement, if US troops had "boots on the
ground" in Libya, there is no fucking way it could have been kept secret
from the Republicans. Are you honestly saying the Republicans wouldn't be
shrieking to high-fucking-heaven if Pres. Obama had commited US troops ?

Maybe you're waiting for a retired *Special Forces* to write his tell-all
book ! Goodluck with that one.

> Jesus, are you REALLY this stupid?

Jesus, you certainly are REALLY this stupid !

This is what, your 6th response without a shread of evidence presented !

Try harder, phuckwit !

cheers....Jeff

[Jeffrey Hamilton]

Fred J. McCall wrote:
> "Jeffrey Hamilton" <bbere...@cogeco.ca> wrote:
>
>> Fred J. McCall wrote:
>>>
>>> Of course they could, Skipshite. It happens all the time.
>>
>> Oh, really ? Cite ?
>>
>

> Go read up on Forward Air Controllers.

I know what Forward Air Controllers are and what they do.

> Now answer the question I keep
> asking and you keep dodging -

I keep asking you for proof of your assertion and you keep dodging *that*.

>Just who do you think was telling the
> airplanes where to attack?

Well, the US does have lot's of "eyes in the skies", namely drones and
satellites.
Why wouldn't they be capable of *seeing* Gaddafi armour and artillery ?

cheers....Jeff

[Jeffrey Hamilton]

Fred J. McCall wrote:
> "Jeffrey Hamilton" <bbere...@cogeco.ca> wrote:
>
>> Fred J. McCall wrote:
>>> "Jeffrey Hamilton" <bbere...@cogeco.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Fred J. McCall wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course they could, Skipshite. It happens all the time.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, really ? Cite ?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Go read up on Forward Air Controllers.
>>
>> I know what Forward Air Controllers are and what they do.
>>
>

> Apparently not.

Apparently your still dodging my question regarding proof of your assertion
America "had boots on the ground", I see.

Nice creative snippage, by the way.

cheers....Jeff

[Jeffrey Hamilton]

> And so you demonstrate that you haven't a clue on what FACs do.

I don't need to demonstrate a knowledge of what FACs do, Fredfreaka, that is
your *strawhore* you fuck it !

Now, yes or no, Freak, are you going to supply proof of US having "boots on
the ground", or were you merely lying, again ?

cheers.....Jeff

[Dean Markley]

No need to flip out, Jeff. Your arguments would carry better without the foul language and derogatory exclamations.

[Jeffrey Hamilton]

Fred J. McCall wrote:
> "Jeffrey Hamilton" <bbere...@cogeco.ca> wrote:
>
>> Fred J. McCall wrote:
>>> "Jeffrey Hamilton" <bbere...@cogeco.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Fred J. McCall wrote:
>>>>> "Jeffrey Hamilton" <bbere...@cogeco.ca> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Fred J. McCall wrote:
>>>>>>> "Jeffrey Hamilton" <bbere...@cogeco.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Fred J. McCall wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Of course they could, Skipshite. It happens all the time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oh, really ? Cite ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Go read up on Forward Air Controllers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know what Forward Air Controllers are and what they do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Apparently not.
>>>>
>>>> Apparently your still dodging my question regarding proof of your
>>>> assertion America "had boots on the ground", I see.
>>>>
>>>> Nice creative snippage, by the way.
>>>>
>>>
>>> And so you demonstrate that you haven't a clue on what FACs do.
>>>
>>

>> I don't need to demonstrate a knowledge of what FACs do, ...
>>
>
> So pleased you've now admitted your ignorance.

Translation: Your straw whore was unsupportable.

I'm so pleased you've now admitted that you were in fact lying.

> that seems to settle things

That does indeed seem to settle things, especially in light of your
perpetual attempts to obfuscate when the veracity of your statements are
being challenged !

> including your perpetual attempts to require everyone else to
> operate within the bounds of your ignorance.

So, no proof of your assertion then. But you will cling to your perpetual
attempts to operate within the bounds of your ignorance and insist that not
only will everyone lie along with you, but will also accept your lies.

You are dismissed.

You may now run along.

cheers....Jeff

[Jeffrey Hamilton]

Thankyou ever so much for the lesson on semantics, Dean, old boy.
You obviously must have missed it, but I was using a phrase oft used by the
Freak, Fred.
Do try to keep up, Dean, old boy...

Now run along and play nicely...

cheers....Jeff