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Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.
Mar 10, 2012, 11:32:57 AM3/10/12
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red...@lava.net wrote:
> Some long time readers of alt.war.vietnam may recall us introducing
> Hawaii resident Col. Wright…redvet
>
> http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/03/05-10
> Published on Monday, March 5, 2012 by Common Dreams
> Obama, the 'Denier' of Israel's Crimes
> by Ann Wright
> I listened to President Obama's speech to AIPAC Sunday, March 4, 2012,
> while sitting outside the Washington Convention Center where AIPAC was
> holding its annual conference. We at OCCUPY AIPAC hooked up a PA
> system to a computer and listened to the live stream while watching
> tens of thousands of Israel's American supporters arrive for their
> yearly intimidation of the U.S. Congress and the U.S. President to
> fund and protect Israel.President Obama speaks before members of the
> American Israel Public Affairs Committee (Pete Marovich / EPA)
> Much of the focus for others writing about the President's pandering
> speech to AIPAC will be about the Iran nuclear program and, if
> weaponized, the threat to Israeli and U.S. security, in that order. I
> will leave the Iran nuclear program to them while I will write about a
> part of his speech that pertains to a part of the world that I know
> personally.
> But one last comment about Iran-- Obama said the Iranian government
> denies the Holocaust.
> I would say that Iranian government is not the only "denier."
> President Obama and his advisors are the "deniers" of incredible
> Israeli violence and horrific violations of international law.
> In his speech, Obama said, "When the Goldstone report unfairly singled
> out Israel for criticism (after Israel attacked Gaza), we challenged
> it."
> Having been to Gaza within days after the 22-day Israeli attack on
> Gaza that killed 1440, wounded 5,000 and left 50,000 homeless (13
> Israelis were killed-5 by Israeli fire), I know the Goldstone Report
> is accurate in its recording of endless Israeli attacks on Gaza by
> air, land and sea. President Obama must not know that the Goldstone
> report comments on the actions of all parties, not just the Israelis.
> How would Obama know whether the report is accurate or not, when not
> one Obama administration officer has visited Gaza to observe the
> destruction first hand, nor have they asked any of the American
> citizens who have travelled to Gaza for their observations.
> In another event concerning Gaza, Obama recounted, "When Israel was
> isolated in the aftermath of the flotilla incident, we supported
> them." I was a passenger on one of the six ships in the 2010 Gaza
> Freedom Flotilla. I know personally that Israeli commandos brutally
> attacked all six ships in the flotilla. On the Mavi Marmara commandos
> executed 9 passengers and wounded 50 more. There were only civilians
> on the ships and there were no weapons on the ships. Israeli commandos
> murdered an American citizen shooting him 5 times. Despite the
> repeated requests of the family of the U.S. citizen, 19 year old
> Furkan Dogan, the Obama administration decided it did not need to
> conduct its own investigation but would rely on the Israeli government
> investigating itself. Israel was isolated by the world after their
> criminal behavior against the Gaza flotilla--and for good reason! I
> will add that the Obama administration did not contact any of the
> American citizens on the flotilla to ask for their comments on the
> Israeli attack other than a brief consular visit in the Israeli prison
> where we were held.
> Obama said the U.S. protects Israel from "one-sided resolutions" in
> the United Nations Human Rights Council, yet the U.S. and Israel stand
> virtually alone as the rest of the nations of the world see clearly
> Israel's outrageous actions that are condemned by the Human Rights
> Council.
> Obama stated the United States stands against divestment and boycott
> of Israeli goods, yet as boycott, divestment and sanctions actions by
> citizens demanding that organizations look at human rights records of
> companies in which they have invested, despite what Obama says, Israel
> is beginning to feel the pinch as citizen "sanctions" on Israeli
> companies that steal resources from Palestinian lands are implemented.
> Finally, Obama said that the U.S. opposes those who "delegitimize"
> Israel. Yet it is the State of Israel that by its illegal actions
> against Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza, delegitimizes
> itself-Israel does not need anyone to help in delegitimization.
> Obama ended that section of his speech with "when the chips are down,
> I have Israel's back," no doubt hoping that AIPAC supporters will
> contribute substantially to his re-election campaign because of his
> perpetual "denial" of the criminal actions of the state of Israel… a
> "denial" dangerous for the national security of the United States, and
> of the State of Israel.
>
> Ann Wright is a 29 year US Army/Army Reserves veteran who retired as a
> Colonel and a former US diplomat who resigned in March, 2003 in
> opposition to the war on Iraq. She served in Nicaragua, Grenada,
> Somalia, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Sierra Leone, Micronesia and
> Mongolia. In December, 2001 she was on the small team that reopened
> the US Embassy in Kabul, Afghanistan. She is the co-author of the
> book "Dissent: Voices of Conscience." (www.voicesofconscience.com)
> =====
> In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is
> distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior
> interest in receiving the included information for research and
> educational purposes.
Palestinians...made to pay for the crimes of Europeans against Jews.
the world burns
;-(
> Some long time readers of alt.war.vietnam may recall us introducing
> Hawaii resident Col. Wright…redvet
>
> http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/03/05-10
> Published on Monday, March 5, 2012 by Common Dreams
> Obama, the 'Denier' of Israel's Crimes
> by Ann Wright
> I listened to President Obama's speech to AIPAC Sunday, March 4, 2012,
> while sitting outside the Washington Convention Center where AIPAC was
> holding its annual conference. We at OCCUPY AIPAC hooked up a PA
> system to a computer and listened to the live stream while watching
> tens of thousands of Israel's American supporters arrive for their
> yearly intimidation of the U.S. Congress and the U.S. President to
> fund and protect Israel.President Obama speaks before members of the
> American Israel Public Affairs Committee (Pete Marovich / EPA)
> Much of the focus for others writing about the President's pandering
> speech to AIPAC will be about the Iran nuclear program and, if
> weaponized, the threat to Israeli and U.S. security, in that order. I
> will leave the Iran nuclear program to them while I will write about a
> part of his speech that pertains to a part of the world that I know
> personally.
> But one last comment about Iran-- Obama said the Iranian government
> denies the Holocaust.
> I would say that Iranian government is not the only "denier."
> President Obama and his advisors are the "deniers" of incredible
> Israeli violence and horrific violations of international law.
> In his speech, Obama said, "When the Goldstone report unfairly singled
> out Israel for criticism (after Israel attacked Gaza), we challenged
> it."
> Having been to Gaza within days after the 22-day Israeli attack on
> Gaza that killed 1440, wounded 5,000 and left 50,000 homeless (13
> Israelis were killed-5 by Israeli fire), I know the Goldstone Report
> is accurate in its recording of endless Israeli attacks on Gaza by
> air, land and sea. President Obama must not know that the Goldstone
> report comments on the actions of all parties, not just the Israelis.
> How would Obama know whether the report is accurate or not, when not
> one Obama administration officer has visited Gaza to observe the
> destruction first hand, nor have they asked any of the American
> citizens who have travelled to Gaza for their observations.
> In another event concerning Gaza, Obama recounted, "When Israel was
> isolated in the aftermath of the flotilla incident, we supported
> them." I was a passenger on one of the six ships in the 2010 Gaza
> Freedom Flotilla. I know personally that Israeli commandos brutally
> attacked all six ships in the flotilla. On the Mavi Marmara commandos
> executed 9 passengers and wounded 50 more. There were only civilians
> on the ships and there were no weapons on the ships. Israeli commandos
> murdered an American citizen shooting him 5 times. Despite the
> repeated requests of the family of the U.S. citizen, 19 year old
> Furkan Dogan, the Obama administration decided it did not need to
> conduct its own investigation but would rely on the Israeli government
> investigating itself. Israel was isolated by the world after their
> criminal behavior against the Gaza flotilla--and for good reason! I
> will add that the Obama administration did not contact any of the
> American citizens on the flotilla to ask for their comments on the
> Israeli attack other than a brief consular visit in the Israeli prison
> where we were held.
> Obama said the U.S. protects Israel from "one-sided resolutions" in
> the United Nations Human Rights Council, yet the U.S. and Israel stand
> virtually alone as the rest of the nations of the world see clearly
> Israel's outrageous actions that are condemned by the Human Rights
> Council.
> Obama stated the United States stands against divestment and boycott
> of Israeli goods, yet as boycott, divestment and sanctions actions by
> citizens demanding that organizations look at human rights records of
> companies in which they have invested, despite what Obama says, Israel
> is beginning to feel the pinch as citizen "sanctions" on Israeli
> companies that steal resources from Palestinian lands are implemented.
> Finally, Obama said that the U.S. opposes those who "delegitimize"
> Israel. Yet it is the State of Israel that by its illegal actions
> against Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza, delegitimizes
> itself-Israel does not need anyone to help in delegitimization.
> Obama ended that section of his speech with "when the chips are down,
> I have Israel's back," no doubt hoping that AIPAC supporters will
> contribute substantially to his re-election campaign because of his
> perpetual "denial" of the criminal actions of the state of Israel… a
> "denial" dangerous for the national security of the United States, and
> of the State of Israel.
>
> Ann Wright is a 29 year US Army/Army Reserves veteran who retired as a
> Colonel and a former US diplomat who resigned in March, 2003 in
> opposition to the war on Iraq. She served in Nicaragua, Grenada,
> Somalia, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Sierra Leone, Micronesia and
> Mongolia. In December, 2001 she was on the small team that reopened
> the US Embassy in Kabul, Afghanistan. She is the co-author of the
> book "Dissent: Voices of Conscience." (www.voicesofconscience.com)
> =====
> In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is
> distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior
> interest in receiving the included information for research and
> educational purposes.
Palestinians...made to pay for the crimes of Europeans against Jews.
the world burns
;-(
William Black
Mar 10, 2012, 12:50:35 PM3/10/12
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On 10/03/12 16:32, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>
> Palestinians...made to pay for the crimes of Europeans against Jews.
>
Their leadership was, it seems, complicit in those crimes.
>
> Palestinians...made to pay for the crimes of Europeans against Jews.
>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Amin_al-Husayni#The_Holocaust
--
William Black
Free men have open minds
If you want loyalty, buy a dog...
Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.
Mar 10, 2012, 4:28:34 PM3/10/12
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William Black wrote:
> On 10/03/12 16:32, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>
>>
>> Palestinians...made to pay for the crimes of Europeans against Jews.
>>
> Their leadership was, it seems, complicit in those crimes.
you are like the neo-nazis with your tit-for-tat phony justifications
> On 10/03/12 16:32, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>
>>
>> Palestinians...made to pay for the crimes of Europeans against Jews.
>>
> Their leadership was, it seems, complicit in those crimes.
producing endless hate and war
William Black
Mar 10, 2012, 6:29:41 PM3/10/12
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the crimes against the Jews, you are.
Now you get it rammed down your throat.
>
> producing endless hate and war
In my experience Jews prefer to do deals.
But when the only deal offered is "die quietly, except for the pretty
girls" I'm afraid that even you might be induced to do a bit of shooting
back...
Ray O'Hara
Mar 10, 2012, 7:09:05 PM3/10/12
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William Black
Mar 11, 2012, 6:53:18 AM3/11/12
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I quote from the source I gave:
"Husseini intervened on May 13, 1943, with the German Foreign Office to
block possible transfers of Jews from Bulgaria, Hungary and Romania,
after reports reached him that 4,000 Jewish children accompanied by 500
adults had managed to reach Palestine. He asked that the Foreign
Minister "to do his utmost" to block all such proposals and this request
was complied with."
NickyK
Mar 11, 2012, 9:02:09 AM3/11/12
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NickyK
Mar 11, 2012, 9:02:23 AM3/11/12
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William Black
Mar 11, 2012, 3:24:18 PM3/11/12
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Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.
Mar 11, 2012, 8:10:35 PM3/11/12
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William Black wrote:
> On 10/03/12 21:28, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>
>> William Black wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/03/12 16:32, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Palestinians...made to pay for the crimes of Europeans against Jews.
>>>>
>>> Their leadership was, it seems, complicit in those crimes.
>>
>>
>> you are like the neo-nazis with your tit-for-tat phony justifications
>
>
> On 10/03/12 21:28, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>
>> William Black wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/03/12 16:32, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Palestinians...made to pay for the crimes of Europeans against Jews.
>>>>
>>> Their leadership was, it seems, complicit in those crimes.
>>
>>
>> you are like the neo-nazis with your tit-for-tat phony justifications
>
>
> I'm not the one who brought up the crimes against the Jews, you are.
Yes, it was centuries of European (not just German) crimes against the Jews
culminating in the Europeans and U.S. agreeing to create Jewish Isreal in
Palestine, thus forcing the Palestinians to pay for European crimes.
You don't disagree with any of that, do you son?
;-)
William Black
Mar 11, 2012, 8:32:44 PM3/11/12
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The European criminals who could be caught were punished.
A homeland for the Jews in the Middle East was promised by the mandated
power prior to the Holocaust. The USA had little to do with it at the time.
The Palestinian Arab leadership was certainly complicit in the murder of
European Jewry in WWII.
And now one for you to mull over. About 70% of what is now Israel and
the West Bank was never anyone's land. It was held as governmental
holdings by the Turkish government and handed over to the Allies in 1918.
Nobody owned it.
That you pretty obviously didn't know this just proves how ignorant you
really are.
Now I appreciate that you're not terribly bright but I really do think
you should try and read a book now and then.
In this particular case I recommend 'The Balfour Declaration: The
Origins of the Arab-Israeli Conflict' by Jonathan Schneer which details
the highly duplicitous actions taken by the British to get everyone on
their side, and their subsequent betrayal of everyone involved...
Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.
Mar 11, 2012, 8:47:24 PM3/11/12
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William Black wrote:
> On 12/03/12 00:10, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>
>> William Black wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/03/12 21:28, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>>>
>>>> William Black wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 10/03/12 16:32, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Palestinians...made to pay for the crimes of Europeans against Jews.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Their leadership was, it seems, complicit in those crimes.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> you are like the neo-nazis with your tit-for-tat phony justifications
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm not the one who brought up the crimes against the Jews, you are.
>>
>>
>> Yes, it was centuries of European (not just German) crimes against the
>> Jews
>> culminating in the Europeans and U.S. agreeing to create Jewish Isreal in
>> Palestine, thus forcing the Palestinians to pay for European crimes.
>>
>> You don't disagree with any of that, do you son?
>> ;-)
>
>
> On 12/03/12 00:10, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>
>> William Black wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/03/12 21:28, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>>>
>>>> William Black wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 10/03/12 16:32, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Palestinians...made to pay for the crimes of Europeans against Jews.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Their leadership was, it seems, complicit in those crimes.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> you are like the neo-nazis with your tit-for-tat phony justifications
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm not the one who brought up the crimes against the Jews, you are.
>>
>>
>> Yes, it was centuries of European (not just German) crimes against the
>> Jews
>> culminating in the Europeans and U.S. agreeing to create Jewish Isreal in
>> Palestine, thus forcing the Palestinians to pay for European crimes.
>>
>> You don't disagree with any of that, do you son?
>> ;-)
>
>
> The European criminals who could be caught were punished.
And the ones who could not be caught wanted the creation of a
Jewish Israel anywhere but Europe, so in Palestine...problem solved.
;-)
William Black
Mar 11, 2012, 8:51:38 PM3/11/12
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in Europe?
Dan
Mar 11, 2012, 10:36:32 PM3/11/12
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was under Roman occupation. No mention of Palestine anywhere. The Jews
post WW2 wanted to reestablish a Jewish state in their own homeland.
Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.
Mar 11, 2012, 10:48:57 PM3/11/12
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William Black wrote:
>
> And where on earth
Yes, it was centuries of European (not just German) crimes against the Jews
culminating in the Europeans and U.S. agreeing to create Jewish Israel in
>
> And where on earth
Yes, it was centuries of European (not just German) crimes against the Jews
Palestine, thus forcing the Palestinians to pay for European crimes.
;-)
Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.
Mar 11, 2012, 11:39:38 PM3/11/12
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Dan wrote:
> On 3/11/2012 7:47 PM, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>
>> William Black wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/03/12 00:10, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>>>
>>>> William Black wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 10/03/12 21:28, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> William Black wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10/03/12 16:32, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Palestinians...made to pay for the crimes of Europeans against
>>>>>>>> Jews.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Their leadership was, it seems, complicit in those crimes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> you are like the neo-nazis with your tit-for-tat phony justifications
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not the one who brought up the crimes against the Jews, you are.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, it was centuries of European (not just German) crimes against
>>>> the Jews
>>>> culminating in the Europeans and U.S. agreeing to create Jewish
>>>> Isreal in
>>>> Palestine, thus forcing the Palestinians to pay for European crimes.
>>>>
>>>> You don't disagree with any of that, do you son?
>>>> ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The European criminals who could be caught were punished.
>>
>>
>> And the ones who could not be caught wanted the creation of a
>> Jewish Israel anywhere but Europe, so in Palestine...problem solved.
>> ;-)
>
>
> On 3/11/2012 7:47 PM, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>
>> William Black wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/03/12 00:10, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>>>
>>>> William Black wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 10/03/12 21:28, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> William Black wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10/03/12 16:32, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Palestinians...made to pay for the crimes of Europeans against
>>>>>>>> Jews.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Their leadership was, it seems, complicit in those crimes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> you are like the neo-nazis with your tit-for-tat phony justifications
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not the one who brought up the crimes against the Jews, you are.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, it was centuries of European (not just German) crimes against
>>>> the Jews
>>>> culminating in the Europeans and U.S. agreeing to create Jewish
>>>> Isreal in
>>>> Palestine, thus forcing the Palestinians to pay for European crimes.
>>>>
>>>> You don't disagree with any of that, do you son?
>>>> ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The European criminals who could be caught were punished.
>>
>>
>> And the ones who could not be caught wanted the creation of a
>> Jewish Israel anywhere but Europe, so in Palestine...problem solved.
>> ;-)
>
>
> 2,000 years ago Judea was under Roman occupation.
Yes, they were expelled by the Romans. Their government was gone
for 18 centuries...they lost any claim to the land, unless you
want to assert all defeated people may re-start ancient wars and
start killing with justification. i.e. no war ever ends.
> No mention of Palestine anywhere.
every map before 1918 shows the land as Palestine.
After WW2 Americans had much sympathy and empathy for the Jews, so there
was strong support to create Jewish Israel, Palestinian people be damned.
and why oh why are we Americans propping up a religious government?
The big mess was certainly foreseeable...but we were arrogant as usual.
Dan
Mar 12, 2012, 12:12:24 AM3/12/12
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still there. Certainly many Jews emigrated as did other ethnic groups
from the area.
Using your logic there was no Palestinian government either. They
were occupied by the Turks, then British. At no time before the State
of Israel was there a state of Palestine run by a Palestinian government.
The people defined as Palestinian haven't been in the area as long
as the Jews.
Perhaps you should look at how non-Jews are treated in Israel. Then
take a look at how Jews and Christians are treated in Gaza and West
Bank. The government of Israel is a lot less religious than you imply.
Now then, can you provide a link to Coldine's catalog online?
Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.
Mar 12, 2012, 12:20:17 AM3/12/12
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You can make all sorts of tit-for-tat arguments to justify any war.
Nonsense.
;-)
Dan
Mar 12, 2012, 2:11:29 AM3/12/12
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Come back when you learn some history.
How is the online Coldine University catalog coming along? You should
post a link.
Daryl
Mar 12, 2012, 3:11:46 AM3/12/12
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comprising of the Palestinian lands and the Israeli Lands. the
name goes back to at least 450BC as Palaistinę. Or English
spelling of Palaestina.
The Majority of the Populance of Palaestina was Jewish during
that time period. When the Byzantines took over (after the Roman
Empire Split) for the next 1000 years, Paliestina did not exist
anymore. It went by many other names.
Funny, under the Calaphea, Jews and Arabs (sorry, but the Muslim
religion was not established until sometime in the late 6th
century. Muhammad was born in 570 AD. He was 40 when he came to
a revelation or some would say, A Revelation of God if you are
Muslim or Islamic. That means the Muslim Religion was formed
after 610 AD making it the 7th century. ) The Jews and the
Calaphea lived in complete harmony including when the Calaphea
controlled most of Spain as well. They came from the same basic
bloodlines and thought of each other as brothers.
I wonder how much of this strife was a creation by the Catholic
and Protestants when they kicked the Muslims out of Spain. How
much of it was financially driven during the Spanish Inquisition
during the 11th century.
The Proper Name was Syria Palaestina created by the Romans in
135AD running until 390AD.
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Daryl
Mar 12, 2012, 3:19:23 AM3/12/12
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the time period it existed it was ended by the Byzantine Empire,
the Muslim religion did not exist. Mohammed wasn't born until
570 AD and the religion was not formed until after 610 AD. By
that time, the Palistania Region was under entirely different
names.
>
>> No mention of Palestine anywhere.
>
> The land has long been called Palestine, even by the Jews, and most
> every map before 1918 shows the land as Palestine.
encompassed all of the current Israel and Palestine lands. That
name came from the time when it was predominately Jewish
Population of a much earlier time.
>
> After WW2 Americans had much sympathy and empathy for the Jews,
> so there
> was strong support to create Jewish Israel, Palestinian people be
> damned.
Muslims. Mohammed wasn't born yet and wouldn't be for a couple
of hundred years.
>
> and why oh why are we Americans propping up a religious government?
>
> The big mess was certainly foreseeable...but we were arrogant as
> usual.
allow one, you must allow the other. If you condemn one you must
condemn the other. Or you can accept both.
Daryl
Mar 12, 2012, 3:26:35 AM3/12/12
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Muslim religion didn't happen until after 610 AD.
>
> The people defined as Palestinian haven't been in the area as
> long as the Jews.
Palestinians. They were knows as Arabs and that goes way back
just like the Jews do as well.
>
> Perhaps you should look at how non-Jews are treated in Israel.
> Then take a look at how Jews and Christians are treated in Gaza
> and West Bank. The government of Israel is a lot less religious
> than you imply.
Jews have full rights but the Arabs don't have the same
unfettered rights. If the Government were to restrict the
travels of a Jew then it would be hob to pay. But the Arabs are
sometimes restricted. Even though Arabs are supposed to be fully
equal, when was the last time you saw Arabs in the Israeli
Federal Government?
Both sides have a lot of growing to do before the problems can be
back burnered. And Both Sides need to find compromise to get to
that point.
William Black
Mar 12, 2012, 4:09:45 AM3/12/12
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Address the issue.
Do you accept that the Palestinian Arab leadership was complicit in the
Holocaust?
You prevarication and dishonest behaviour indicates that you do but
you're in denial about it.
William Black
Mar 12, 2012, 4:10:39 AM3/12/12
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On 12/03/12 03:39, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
> Dan wrote:
>
>> On 3/11/2012 7:47 PM, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>>
>>
>> 2,000 years ago Judea was under Roman occupation.
>
> Yes, they were expelled by the Romans.
Lie.
> Dan wrote:
>
>> On 3/11/2012 7:47 PM, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>>
>>
>> 2,000 years ago Judea was under Roman occupation.
>
> Yes, they were expelled by the Romans.
William Black
Mar 12, 2012, 4:12:19 AM3/12/12
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On 12/03/12 07:26, Daryl wrote:
> when was the last time you saw Arabs in the
> Israeli Federal Government?
"Federal government"???
> when was the last time you saw Arabs in the
> Israeli Federal Government?
Israel doesn't have a federal government.
William Black
Mar 12, 2012, 4:13:38 AM3/12/12
to
On 12/03/12 07:11, Daryl wrote:
>
> I wonder how much of this strife was a creation by the Catholic and
> Protestants when they kicked the Muslims out of Spain. How much of it
> was financially driven during the Spanish Inquisition during the 11th
> century.
>
Which Protestants were involved?
>
> I wonder how much of this strife was a creation by the Catholic and
> Protestants when they kicked the Muslims out of Spain. How much of it
> was financially driven during the Spanish Inquisition during the 11th
> century.
>
Jim Wilkins
Mar 12, 2012, 6:58:24 AM3/12/12
to
"Daryl" <dh...@nospami70west3.com> wrote in message
news:jjk820$ita$1...@dont-email.me...
> >>
>> The land has long been called Palestine, even by the Jews, and most
>> every map before 1918 shows the land as Palestine.
>
> It was formed by the French as Syria Palistina in 1920. It
> encompassed all of the current Israel and Palestine lands. That
> name came from the time when it was predominately Jewish Population
> of a much earlier time.
>
The Roman Emperor Hadrian renamed Judaea to Syria Palaestina
>> The land has long been called Palestine, even by the Jews, and most
>> every map before 1918 shows the land as Palestine.
>
> It was formed by the French as Syria Palistina in 1920. It
> encompassed all of the current Israel and Palestine lands. That
> name came from the time when it was predominately Jewish Population
> of a much earlier time.
>
(Philistine) after crushing the Bar-Kokhba Revolt.
Andrew Chaplin
Mar 12, 2012, 7:44:28 AM3/12/12
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Daryl <dh...@nospami70west3.com> wrote in news:jjk7jo$him$1...@dont-email.me:
> I wonder how much of this strife was a creation by the Catholic
> and Protestants when they kicked the Muslims out of Spain. How
> much of it was financially driven during the Spanish Inquisition
> during the 11th century.
The forces of Ferdinand and Isabella finished off the Nasrids in Granada in
1492. Martin Luther triggers the Protestant reformation in 1517. No
Protestants were involved in the former.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)
> I wonder how much of this strife was a creation by the Catholic
> and Protestants when they kicked the Muslims out of Spain. How
> much of it was financially driven during the Spanish Inquisition
> during the 11th century.
1492. Martin Luther triggers the Protestant reformation in 1517. No
Protestants were involved in the former.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)
Keith W
Mar 12, 2012, 8:45:44 AM3/12/12
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Jim Wilkins wrote:
> "Daryl" <dh...@nospami70west3.com> wrote in message
> news:jjk820$ita$1...@dont-email.me...
>>>>
>>> The land has long been called Palestine, even by the Jews, and most
>>> every map before 1918 shows the land as Palestine.
>>
>> It was formed by the French as Syria Palistina in 1920.
Prior to 1918 it formed part of the Ottoman Empire being adminstered
> "Daryl" <dh...@nospami70west3.com> wrote in message
> news:jjk820$ita$1...@dont-email.me...
>>>>
>>> The land has long been called Palestine, even by the Jews, and most
>>> every map before 1918 shows the land as Palestine.
>>
>> It was formed by the French as Syria Palistina in 1920.
as the Vilayet of Beirut and the Vilayet of Syria
Keith
Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.
Mar 12, 2012, 3:27:30 PM3/12/12
to
William Black wrote:
> On 12/03/12 03:39, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>> Dan wrote:
>>> On 3/11/2012 7:47 PM, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>>>
>>> 2,000 years ago Judea was under Roman occupation.
>>
>> Yes, they were expelled by the Romans.
>
> Lie.
Son, why do you find it necessary to lie?
> On 12/03/12 03:39, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>> Dan wrote:
>>> On 3/11/2012 7:47 PM, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>>>
>>> 2,000 years ago Judea was under Roman occupation.
>>
>> Yes, they were expelled by the Romans.
>
> Lie.
"The Jewish state comes to an end in 70 AD, when the Romans begin to
actively drive Jews from the home they had lived in for over a millennium."
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/Diaspora.html
"The Jewish diaspora (or simply the Diaspora) is the English term used
to describe the Galut גלות (Yiddish: 'Golus'), or 'exile', of the Jews
from the region of the Kingdom of Judah and Roman Iudaea and later
emigration from wider Eretz Israel."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_diaspora
The Jewish government was gone for over 18 centuries (70AD to 1948).
True, some remnants of Jews lived there but the Jews were very effectively expelled.
What do you want to lie about now, son?
;-)
Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.
Mar 12, 2012, 3:29:02 PM3/12/12
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William Black wrote:
> On 12/03/12 02:48, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>
>> William Black wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> And where on earth
>>
>>
>> Yes, it was centuries of European (not just German) crimes against the
>> Jews
>> culminating in the Europeans and U.S. agreeing to create Jewish Israel in
>> Palestine, thus forcing the Palestinians to pay for European crimes.
>> ;-)
>
>
> Less than honest.
>
> Address the issue.
>
> Do you accept that the Palestinian Arab leadership was complicit in the
> Holocaust?
>
> You prevarication and dishonest behaviour indicates that you do but
> you're in denial about it.
I won't let you draw me into an irrelevant issue...but no the Palestinians
> On 12/03/12 02:48, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>
>> William Black wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> And where on earth
>>
>>
>> Yes, it was centuries of European (not just German) crimes against the
>> Jews
>> culminating in the Europeans and U.S. agreeing to create Jewish Israel in
>> Palestine, thus forcing the Palestinians to pay for European crimes.
>> ;-)
>
>
> Less than honest.
>
> Address the issue.
>
> Do you accept that the Palestinian Arab leadership was complicit in the
> Holocaust?
>
> You prevarication and dishonest behaviour indicates that you do but
> you're in denial about it.
were not involved in the killing of Jews...but the Palestinians did want
to stop the uncontrolled immigration of Jews to Palestine.
This is the type of tit-for-tat crap that you supporter of Jewish Israel
engage in...any minutia to "justify" your war. I can find many Americans
who supported Nazis, but that does not make the U.S. complicit in killing
of Jews.
Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.
Mar 12, 2012, 3:39:43 PM3/12/12
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My opinion of you has not changed...you are a peabrain. Please put
me back in your killfile, thank you.
;-)
Daryl
Mar 12, 2012, 3:45:36 PM3/12/12
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entertaining.
William Black
Mar 12, 2012, 4:00:11 PM3/12/12
to
On 12/03/12 19:29, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
> William Black wrote:
>> On 12/03/12 02:48, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>>
>>> William Black wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> And where on earth
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, it was centuries of European (not just German) crimes against
>>> the Jews
>>> culminating in the Europeans and U.S. agreeing to create Jewish
>>> Israel in
>>> Palestine, thus forcing the Palestinians to pay for European crimes.
>>> ;-)
>>
>>
>> Less than honest.
>>
>> Address the issue.
>>
>> Do you accept that the Palestinian Arab leadership was complicit in
>> the Holocaust?
>>
>> You prevarication and dishonest behaviour indicates that you do but
>> you're in denial about it.
>
> I won't let you draw me into an irrelevant issue...but no the Palestinians
> were not involved in the killing of Jews...
Wrong.
> William Black wrote:
>> On 12/03/12 02:48, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>>
>>> William Black wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> And where on earth
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, it was centuries of European (not just German) crimes against
>>> the Jews
>>> culminating in the Europeans and U.S. agreeing to create Jewish
>>> Israel in
>>> Palestine, thus forcing the Palestinians to pay for European crimes.
>>> ;-)
>>
>>
>> Less than honest.
>>
>> Address the issue.
>>
>> Do you accept that the Palestinian Arab leadership was complicit in
>> the Holocaust?
>>
>> You prevarication and dishonest behaviour indicates that you do but
>> you're in denial about it.
>
> I won't let you draw me into an irrelevant issue...but no the Palestinians
> were not involved in the killing of Jews...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_ATLAS
but the Palestinians did want
> to stop the uncontrolled immigration of Jews to Palestine.
After all they'd just thrown out the Turks, well, the British did.
And who were some 25% of the British occupying army?
The Jewish Legion...
Ain't history a bitch...
> This is the type of tit-for-tat crap that you supporter of Jewish Israel
> engage in...any minutia to "justify" your war. I can find many Americans
> who supported Nazis, but that does not make the U.S. complicit in killing
> of Jews.
game.
Anyone who says that all Jews are a klegitimate target musty expect to
become a legitimate target themselves.
I'm a reasonable man. Leave me alone and nothing will happen. Start
throwing rocks at my greenhouse and you can expect some serious problems.
William Black
Mar 12, 2012, 4:03:04 PM3/12/12
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Jews by the Romans at that time.
Eugene Griessel
Mar 12, 2012, 4:07:51 PM3/12/12
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On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 20:03:04 +0000, William Black
<black...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 12/03/12 19:27, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>> William Black wrote:
>>> On 12/03/12 03:39, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>>>> Dan wrote:
>>>>> On 3/11/2012 7:47 PM, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 2,000 years ago Judea was under Roman occupation.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, they were expelled by the Romans.
>>>
>>> Lie.
>>
>> Son, why do you find it necessary to lie?
>>
>> "The Jewish state comes to an end in 70 AD, when the Romans begin to
>> actively drive Jews from the home they had lived in for over a millennium."
>> http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/Diaspora.html
>>
>> "The Jewish diaspora (or simply the Diaspora) is the English term used
>> to describe the Galut ???? (Yiddish: 'Golus'), or 'exile', of the Jews
<black...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 12/03/12 19:27, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>> William Black wrote:
>>> On 12/03/12 03:39, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>>>> Dan wrote:
>>>>> On 3/11/2012 7:47 PM, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 2,000 years ago Judea was under Roman occupation.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, they were expelled by the Romans.
>>>
>>> Lie.
>>
>> Son, why do you find it necessary to lie?
>>
>> "The Jewish state comes to an end in 70 AD, when the Romans begin to
>> actively drive Jews from the home they had lived in for over a millennium."
>> http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/Diaspora.html
>>
>> "The Jewish diaspora (or simply the Diaspora) is the English term used
>> from the region of the Kingdom of Judah and Roman Iudaea and later
>> emigration from wider Eretz Israel."
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_diaspora
>>
>> The Jewish government was gone for over 18 centuries (70AD to 1948).
>>
>> True, some remnants of Jews lived there but the Jews were very
>> effectively expelled.
>>
>> What do you want to lie about now, son?
>> ;-)
>
>There seems to be little or no evidence of an organised expulsion of
>Jews by the Romans at that time.
By the time the first Aliyah started (1870?) something like 90000 Jews
>> emigration from wider Eretz Israel."
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_diaspora
>>
>> The Jewish government was gone for over 18 centuries (70AD to 1948).
>>
>> True, some remnants of Jews lived there but the Jews were very
>> effectively expelled.
>>
>> What do you want to lie about now, son?
>> ;-)
>
>There seems to be little or no evidence of an organised expulsion of
>Jews by the Romans at that time.
lived in what is today Israel - and had always lived there.
Eugene L Griessel
(A)bort, (R)etry, (T)ake down entire network?
Ben
Mar 12, 2012, 5:35:46 PM3/12/12
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On Mar 12, 2:27 pm, "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <d...@jameford.edu>
wrote:
with its own military power, why not resurrect all old nations of
Inca, Mayan, Cham, Hoppi, Cherokee, Cheyene, Persia, Roman, as
independent nations with their own military power and defend them
against the current host nations?
wrote:
> William Black wrote:
> > On 12/03/12 03:39, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
> >> Dan wrote:
> >>> On 3/11/2012 7:47 PM, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>
> >>> 2,000 years ago Judea was under Roman occupation.
>
> >> Yes, they were expelled by the Romans.
>
> > Lie.
>
> Son, why do you find it necessary to lie?
>
> "The Jewish state comes to an end in 70 AD, when the Romans begin to
> actively drive Jews from the home they had lived in for over a millennium."
> http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/Diaspora.html
>
> "The Jewish diaspora (or simply the Diaspora) is the English term used
> to describe the Galut גלות (Yiddish: 'Golus'), or 'exile', of the Jews
> from the region of the Kingdom of Judah and Roman Iudaea and later
> emigration from wider Eretz Israel."
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_diaspora
>
> The Jewish government was gone for over 18 centuries (70AD to 1948).
>
Interesting! If Israel was gone for 18 centuries and got resurrected
> > On 12/03/12 03:39, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
> >> Dan wrote:
> >>> On 3/11/2012 7:47 PM, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>
> >>> 2,000 years ago Judea was under Roman occupation.
>
> >> Yes, they were expelled by the Romans.
>
> > Lie.
>
> Son, why do you find it necessary to lie?
>
> "The Jewish state comes to an end in 70 AD, when the Romans begin to
> actively drive Jews from the home they had lived in for over a millennium."
> http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/Diaspora.html
>
> "The Jewish diaspora (or simply the Diaspora) is the English term used
> to describe the Galut גלות (Yiddish: 'Golus'), or 'exile', of the Jews
> from the region of the Kingdom of Judah and Roman Iudaea and later
> emigration from wider Eretz Israel."
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_diaspora
>
> The Jewish government was gone for over 18 centuries (70AD to 1948).
>
with its own military power, why not resurrect all old nations of
Inca, Mayan, Cham, Hoppi, Cherokee, Cheyene, Persia, Roman, as
independent nations with their own military power and defend them
against the current host nations?
Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.
Mar 12, 2012, 6:46:53 PM3/12/12
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The *fact* remains that the Jews were *effectively* gone from
Palestine for over 18 centuries; they gave up claim to the land.
;-)
Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.
Mar 12, 2012, 7:02:53 PM3/12/12
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;-)
William Black
Mar 12, 2012, 7:54:32 PM3/12/12
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there always significant numbers there.
Certainly enough for the crusaders to have a massacre or two.
It's so unlike you to miss an opportunity to be nasty about European
Christians murdering people for no terribly good reason.
But as they were only killing Jews I suppose you don't really mind.
btorvik2
Mar 12, 2012, 10:44:05 PM3/12/12
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On Mar 12, 3:29 pm, "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <d...@jameford.edu>
wrote:
> were not involved in the killing of Jews...but <snip>
Apparently you will . :-)
wrote:
> William Black wrote:
> > On 12/03/12 02:48, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>
> >> William Black wrote:
>
> >>> And where on earth
>
> >> Yes, it was centuries of European (not just German) crimes against the
> >> Jews
> >> culminating in the Europeans and U.S. agreeing to create Jewish Israel in
> >> Palestine, thus forcing the Palestinians to pay for European crimes.
> >> ;-)
>
> > Less than honest.
>
> > Address the issue.
>
> > Do you accept that the Palestinian Arab leadership was complicit in the
> > Holocaust?
>
> > You prevarication and dishonest behaviour indicates that you do but
> > you're in denial about it.
>
> I won't let you draw me into an irrelevant issue...but lestinians
> > On 12/03/12 02:48, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>
> >> William Black wrote:
>
> >>> And where on earth
>
> >> Yes, it was centuries of European (not just German) crimes against the
> >> Jews
> >> culminating in the Europeans and U.S. agreeing to create Jewish Israel in
> >> Palestine, thus forcing the Palestinians to pay for European crimes.
> >> ;-)
>
> > Less than honest.
>
> > Address the issue.
>
> > Do you accept that the Palestinian Arab leadership was complicit in the
> > Holocaust?
>
> > You prevarication and dishonest behaviour indicates that you do but
> > you're in denial about it.
>
> were not involved in the killing of Jews...but <snip>
Apparently you will . :-)
Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.
Mar 12, 2012, 11:08:57 PM3/12/12
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that the Jews were no longer in power and were small enough in
numbers that they were no threat to power.
Son, I have no desire to engage in a dictionary war.
The Palestinians have had a great injustice foisted on them by
the Europeans (the real criminals against the Jews) and the U.S.
;-)
William Black
Mar 13, 2012, 7:04:07 AM3/13/12
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>
> Son, I have no desire to engage in a dictionary war.
You're just another thick bigot.
> The Palestinians have had a great injustice foisted on them by
> the Europeans (the real criminals against the Jews) and the U.S.
> ;-)
Dean Markley
Mar 13, 2012, 9:15:24 AM3/13/12
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On Mar 12, 11:08 pm, "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <d...@jameford.edu>
You forgot the surrounding Arab countries. None of them have much use
for Palestinians except to use them against Israel. Egypt, Jordan,
Syria, Lebanon.....all more or less despise the Palestinians except
when they need them.
for Palestinians except to use them against Israel. Egypt, Jordan,
Syria, Lebanon.....all more or less despise the Palestinians except
when they need them.
Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.
Mar 13, 2012, 4:52:46 PM3/13/12
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You're twisting, attempting to cover your lying and ignorance.
William Black
Mar 13, 2012, 5:09:46 PM3/13/12
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A sizeable Jewish population remained.
It was large enough for large numbers of them to be repeatedly massacred.
That you're in denial about this says more about your attitude to Jews
than to reality.
Eugene Griessel
Mar 13, 2012, 5:19:54 PM3/13/12
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On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 21:09:46 +0000, William Black
<black...@gmail.com> wrote:
>No.
>
>A sizeable Jewish population remained.
>
>It was large enough for large numbers of them to be repeatedly massacred.
<quote>
<black...@gmail.com> wrote:
>No.
>
>A sizeable Jewish population remained.
>
>It was large enough for large numbers of them to be repeatedly massacred.
Contrary to some popular misconceptions Jews have continuously lived
in the Middle East for more than 4000 years.
Often Jew and Arab joined in fighting the common invader - Christian
crusaders, Turks, etc. Indeed co-operation was more the norm than
otherwise.
Prior to the 1860's-the small, religiously oriented Jewish population
in the region numbered around 75000 souls. They were concentrated
within the major urban areas of the period - Jerusalem, Safed, Hebron
and Tiberias.
</quote>
Palestinian population at the time is estimated at around 180 - 195
thousand. Depending where you draw the boundaries of Palestine.
Eugene L Griessel
I think that people want peace so much that one of these days
governments had better get out of their way and let them have it.
- General Eisenhower -
Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.
Mar 13, 2012, 7:29:20 PM3/13/12
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> A sizeable Jewish population remained.
It was a "tiny remnant" of Jews. (the quote is by Jew Ami
Isseroff in the preface to T. Herzl's 1897 The Jewish State)
You're in a cycle of lying, Wee Willie The Ignorant.
William Black
Mar 13, 2012, 9:12:17 PM3/13/12
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>
> You're in a cycle of lying, Wee Willie The Ignorant.
>
> The *fact* remains that the Jews were *effectively* gone from
> Palestine for over 18 centuries; they gave up claim to the land.
> ;-)
I can tell when you're getting worried, the 'son' thing stops...
I notice you preface the name of your source by the word 'Jew'.
I wonder why?
It's usually a trick only ever used by Fascists and you're certainly not
one of those.
Perhaps it's an attempt to make your source seem more reliable but you
really don't understand how Jewish politics worked with respect to
Zionism at that point.
Of course we all know about your deep and abiding ignorance of history,
but it is becoming unbelievable.
That someone not in possession of the basic facts is trying to debate
this subject is laughable. It also proves my point that you're not
terribly bright.
Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.
Mar 13, 2012, 9:16:01 PM3/13/12
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Ben wrote:
>Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>>William Black wrote:
>>>Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>>>>Dan wrote:
>>>>>Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>2,000 years ago Judea was under Roman occupation.
>>>>
>>>>Yes, they were expelled by the Romans.
>>>
>>>Lie.
>>
>>Son, why do you find it necessary to lie?
>>
>>"The Jewish state comes to an end in 70 AD, when the Romans begin to
>>actively drive Jews from the home they had lived in for over a millennium."
>> http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/Diaspora.html
>>
>>"The Jewish diaspora (or simply the Diaspora) is the English term used
>>to describe the Galut גלות (Yiddish: 'Golus'), or 'exile', of the Jews
>>from the region of the Kingdom of Judah and Roman Iudaea and later
>>emigration from wider Eretz Israel."
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_diaspora
>>
>>The Jewish government was gone for over 18 centuries (70AD to 1948).
>
>
> Interesting! If Israel was gone for 18 centuries and got resurrected
> with its own military power, why not resurrect all old nations of
> Inca, Mayan, Cham, Hoppi, Cherokee, Cheyene, Persia, Roman, as
> independent nations with their own military power and defend them
> against the current host nations?
>>>Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>>>>Dan wrote:
>>>>>Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>2,000 years ago Judea was under Roman occupation.
>>>>
>>>>Yes, they were expelled by the Romans.
>>>
>>>Lie.
>>
>>Son, why do you find it necessary to lie?
>>
>>"The Jewish state comes to an end in 70 AD, when the Romans begin to
>>actively drive Jews from the home they had lived in for over a millennium."
>> http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/Diaspora.html
>>
>>"The Jewish diaspora (or simply the Diaspora) is the English term used
>>to describe the Galut גלות (Yiddish: 'Golus'), or 'exile', of the Jews
>>from the region of the Kingdom of Judah and Roman Iudaea and later
>>emigration from wider Eretz Israel."
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_diaspora
>>
>>The Jewish government was gone for over 18 centuries (70AD to 1948).
>
>
> Interesting! If Israel was gone for 18 centuries and got resurrected
> with its own military power, why not resurrect all old nations of
> Inca, Mayan, Cham, Hoppi, Cherokee, Cheyene, Persia, Roman, as
> independent nations with their own military power and defend them
> against the current host nations?
BINGO! We have a winner!
;-)
>
;-)
>
Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.
Mar 13, 2012, 9:50:47 PM3/13/12
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William Black wrote:
>Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>> William Black wrote:
>>>Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>>>> William Black wrote:
>
>
>>>>>>>> The *fact* remains that the Jews were *effectively* gone from
>>>>>>>> Palestine for over 18 centuries; they gave up claim to the land.
>>>>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Could you define 'effectively'
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Roman expulsion of the Jews had the intended effect, namely
>>>>>> that the Jews were no longer in power and were small enough in
>>>>>> numbers that they were no threat to power.
>>>>>
>>>>> So they weren't 'expelled' at all then.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, son, they were expelled, exiled, driven out, kicked out, taken
>>>> out...
>>>>
>>>> You're twisting, attempting to cover your lying and ignorance.
>>>
>>> A sizeable Jewish population remained.
>>
>>
>> It was a "tiny remnant" of Jews. (the quote is by Jew Ami
>> Isseroff in the preface to T. Herzl's 1897 The Jewish State)
>>
>Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>> William Black wrote:
>>>Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>>>> William Black wrote:
>
>
>>>>>>>> The *fact* remains that the Jews were *effectively* gone from
>>>>>>>> Palestine for over 18 centuries; they gave up claim to the land.
>>>>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Could you define 'effectively'
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Roman expulsion of the Jews had the intended effect, namely
>>>>>> that the Jews were no longer in power and were small enough in
>>>>>> numbers that they were no threat to power.
>>>>>
>>>>> So they weren't 'expelled' at all then.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, son, they were expelled, exiled, driven out, kicked out, taken
>>>> out...
>>>>
>>>> You're twisting, attempting to cover your lying and ignorance.
>>>
>>> A sizeable Jewish population remained.
>>
>>
>> It was a "tiny remnant" of Jews. (the quote is by Jew Ami
>> Isseroff in the preface to T. Herzl's 1897 The Jewish State)
>>
>> You're in a cycle of lying, Wee Willie The Ignorant.
>>
>> The *fact* remains that the Jews were *effectively* gone from
>> Palestine for over 18 centuries; they gave up claim to the land.
>> ;-)
>
>
>>
>> The *fact* remains that the Jews were *effectively* gone from
>> Palestine for over 18 centuries; they gave up claim to the land.
>> ;-)
>
>
> I notice you preface the name of your source by the word 'Jew'.
> I wonder why?
He was a Jew. Live with it, son.
> I wonder why?
;-)
William Black
Mar 14, 2012, 8:14:03 AM3/14/12
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!Jones
Mar 14, 2012, 9:17:29 AM3/14/12
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The Israeli presence is Palestine is simply a fact.
Henry II: The Aquitaine is mine!
Phillip II: By what authority?
Henry II: It's got my troops all over it. That makes it mine.
"The Lion in Winter" (1966.) Goldman, J. ... who, as I'm sure Vinney
will point out, is (or was, depending on your perspective, he died
about 10 years ago) a Jew.
It is also a fact that the Israelis are ultimately going to have to
make some concessions to the other people living in the region. The
non-Semitic occupants of the land cannot be forced out simply because
of their religious beliefs... or, at least, that's the Western school
of thought.
Jones
Henry II: The Aquitaine is mine!
Phillip II: By what authority?
Henry II: It's got my troops all over it. That makes it mine.
"The Lion in Winter" (1966.) Goldman, J. ... who, as I'm sure Vinney
will point out, is (or was, depending on your perspective, he died
about 10 years ago) a Jew.
It is also a fact that the Israelis are ultimately going to have to
make some concessions to the other people living in the region. The
non-Semitic occupants of the land cannot be forced out simply because
of their religious beliefs... or, at least, that's the Western school
of thought.
Jones
Dan
Mar 14, 2012, 3:41:50 PM3/14/12
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Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
Sam
Mar 14, 2012, 5:16:13 PM3/14/12
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On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 14:41:50 -0500, Dan wrote:
> Minor nit; semitism doesn't mean Jewish.
>
> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
Thanks, Dan. Are you Jewish?
> Minor nit; semitism doesn't mean Jewish.
>
> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
!Jones
Mar 14, 2012, 11:15:31 PM3/14/12
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someone advocates gassing Jews, he or she is referred to as being
"anti-Semitic"?
Jones
Dan
Mar 15, 2012, 12:32:06 AM3/15/12
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Daryl
Mar 15, 2012, 12:41:40 AM3/15/12
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and Hebrews are just a few. All of them are related to Shem in
an ancestor chain.
William Black
Mar 15, 2012, 5:54:01 AM3/15/12
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http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=anti-semitism
!Jones
Mar 15, 2012, 8:31:58 AM3/15/12
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On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 09:54:01 +0000, in alt.war.vietnam William Black
<black...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> OK. I didn't know that until I looked it up. So... how come, when
>> someone advocates gassing Jews, he or she is referred to as being
>> "anti-Semitic"?
>
>Because the term is an invented one specifically aimed at Jews.
That's probably the most accurate proposition.
<black...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> OK. I didn't know that until I looked it up. So... how come, when
>> someone advocates gassing Jews, he or she is referred to as being
>> "anti-Semitic"?
>
>Because the term is an invented one specifically aimed at Jews.
Methinks it's like "homophobic"; however, I have never met anyone
thus.
Jones
NickyK
Mar 16, 2012, 8:31:29 AM3/16/12
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On Mar 11, 8:32 pm, William Black <blackuse...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>> Palestinians...made to pay for the crimes of Europeans against Jews.
>
> >>>> Their leadership was, it seems, complicit in those crimes.
>
> >>> you are like the neo-nazis with your tit-for-tat phony justifications
>
> >> I'm not the one who brought up the crimes against the Jews, you are.
> > ;-)
>
> Oh I most certainly do.
>
> The European criminals who could be caught were punished.
>
> A homeland for the Jews in the Middle East was promised by the mandated
> power prior to the Holocaust. The USA had little to do with it at the time.
>
> The Palestinian Arab leadership was certainly complicit in the murder of
> European Jewry in WWII.
>
> And now one for you to mull over. About 70% of what is now Israel and
> the West Bank was never anyone's land. It was held as governmental
> holdings by the Turkish government and handed over to the Allies in 1918.
>
> Nobody owned it.
>
> That you pretty obviously didn't know this just proves how ignorant you
> really are.
>
> Now I appreciate that you're not terribly bright but I really do think
> you should try and read a book now and then.
>
> In this particular case I recommend 'The Balfour Declaration: The
> Origins of the Arab-Israeli Conflict' by Jonathan Schneer which details
> the highly duplicitous actions taken by the British to get everyone on
> their side, and their subsequent betrayal of everyone involved...
>
> - Show quoted text -
YAWNzzzzzzzz
> On 12/03/12 00:10, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > William Black wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > William Black wrote:
>
> >> On 10/03/12 21:28, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>
> >>> William Black wrote:
>
> >>>> On 10/03/12 16:32, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>
> >>> William Black wrote:
>
>
> >>>>> Palestinians...made to pay for the crimes of Europeans against Jews.
>
> >>>> Their leadership was, it seems, complicit in those crimes.
>
> >>> you are like the neo-nazis with your tit-for-tat phony justifications
>
> >> I'm not the one who brought up the crimes against the Jews, you are.
>
> > Yes, it was centuries of European (not just German) crimes against the Jews
> > culminating in the Europeans and U.S. agreeing to create Jewish Isreal in
> > Yes, it was centuries of European (not just German) crimes against the Jews
> > Palestine, thus forcing the Palestinians to pay for European crimes.
>
> > You don't disagree with any of that, do you son?
>
> > ;-)
>
> Oh I most certainly do.
>
> The European criminals who could be caught were punished.
>
> A homeland for the Jews in the Middle East was promised by the mandated
> power prior to the Holocaust. The USA had little to do with it at the time.
>
> The Palestinian Arab leadership was certainly complicit in the murder of
> European Jewry in WWII.
>
> And now one for you to mull over. About 70% of what is now Israel and
> the West Bank was never anyone's land. It was held as governmental
> holdings by the Turkish government and handed over to the Allies in 1918.
>
> Nobody owned it.
>
> That you pretty obviously didn't know this just proves how ignorant you
> really are.
>
> Now I appreciate that you're not terribly bright but I really do think
> you should try and read a book now and then.
>
> In this particular case I recommend 'The Balfour Declaration: The
> Origins of the Arab-Israeli Conflict' by Jonathan Schneer which details
> the highly duplicitous actions taken by the British to get everyone on
> their side, and their subsequent betrayal of everyone involved...
>
> --
> William Black
>
> Free men have open minds
> If you want loyalty, buy a dog...- Hide quoted text -
> --
> William Black
>
> Free men have open minds
>
> - Show quoted text -
YAWNzzzzzzzz
NickyK
Mar 16, 2012, 8:32:28 AM3/16/12
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NickyK
Mar 16, 2012, 8:32:42 AM3/16/12
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On Mar 12, 4:00 pm, William Black <blackuse...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_ATLAS
>
> but the Palestinians did want
>
> > to stop the uncontrolled immigration of Jews to Palestine.
>
> True, and reasonable.
>
> After all they'd just thrown out the Turks, well, the British did.
>
> And who were some 25% of the British occupying army?
>
> The Jewish Legion...
>
> Ain't history a bitch...
>
> > This is the type of tit-for-tat crap that you supporter of Jewish Israel
> > engage in...any minutia to "justify" your war. I can find many Americans
> > who supported Nazis, but that does not make the U.S. complicit in killing
> > of Jews.
>
> I don't need to justify a war. Anyone who shoots at me and mine is fair
> game.
>
> Anyone who says that all Jews are a klegitimate target musty expect to
> become a legitimate target themselves.
>
> I'm a reasonable man. Leave me alone and nothing will happen. Start
> throwing rocks at my greenhouse and you can expect some serious problems.
> On 12/03/12 19:29, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > William Black wrote:
> >> On 12/03/12 02:48, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>
> >>> William Black wrote:
>
> >>>> And where on earth
>
> >>> Yes, it was centuries of European (not just German) crimes against
> >>> the Jews
> >>> culminating in the Europeans and U.S. agreeing to create Jewish
> >>> Israel in
> >>> Palestine, thus forcing the Palestinians to pay for European crimes.
> >>> ;-)
>
> >> Less than honest.
>
> >> Address the issue.
>
> >> Do you accept that the Palestinian Arab leadership was complicit in
> >> the Holocaust?
>
> >> You prevarication and dishonest behaviour indicates that you do but
> >> you're in denial about it.
>
> > I won't let you draw me into an irrelevant issue...but no the Palestinians
>
>
>
>
>
> > William Black wrote:
> >> On 12/03/12 02:48, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>
> >>> William Black wrote:
>
> >>>> And where on earth
>
> >>> Yes, it was centuries of European (not just German) crimes against
> >>> the Jews
> >>> culminating in the Europeans and U.S. agreeing to create Jewish
> >>> Israel in
> >>> Palestine, thus forcing the Palestinians to pay for European crimes.
> >>> ;-)
>
> >> Less than honest.
>
> >> Address the issue.
>
> >> Do you accept that the Palestinian Arab leadership was complicit in
> >> the Holocaust?
>
> >> You prevarication and dishonest behaviour indicates that you do but
> >> you're in denial about it.
>
> > were not involved in the killing of Jews...
>
> Wrong.
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_ATLAS
>
> but the Palestinians did want
>
> > to stop the uncontrolled immigration of Jews to Palestine.
>
> True, and reasonable.
>
> After all they'd just thrown out the Turks, well, the British did.
>
> And who were some 25% of the British occupying army?
>
> The Jewish Legion...
>
> Ain't history a bitch...
>
> > This is the type of tit-for-tat crap that you supporter of Jewish Israel
> > engage in...any minutia to "justify" your war. I can find many Americans
> > who supported Nazis, but that does not make the U.S. complicit in killing
> > of Jews.
>
> I don't need to justify a war. Anyone who shoots at me and mine is fair
> game.
>
> Anyone who says that all Jews are a klegitimate target musty expect to
> become a legitimate target themselves.
>
> I'm a reasonable man. Leave me alone and nothing will happen. Start
> throwing rocks at my greenhouse and you can expect some serious problems.
>
> --
> William Black
>
> Free men have open minds
> If you want loyalty, buy a dog...- Hide quoted text -
> --
> William Black
>
> Free men have open minds
NickyK
Mar 16, 2012, 8:31:19 AM3/16/12
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On Mar 11, 3:24 pm, William Black <blackuse...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 11/03/12 13:02, NickyK wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 10, 1:50 pm, William Black<blackuse...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hey, arse-wipe, if you nothing to add then shut up.
> On 11/03/12 13:02, NickyK wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 10, 1:50 pm, William Black<blackuse...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On 10/03/12 16:32, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>
> >>> Palestinians...made to pay for the crimes of Europeans against Jews.
>
> >> Their leadership was, it seems, complicit in those crimes.
>
> >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Amin_al-Husayni#The_Holocaust
>
> >>> Palestinians...made to pay for the crimes of Europeans against Jews.
>
> >> Their leadership was, it seems, complicit in those crimes.
>
>
> >> --
> >> William Black
>
> >> Free men have open minds
> >> If you want loyalty, buy a dog...
>
> > YAWN........
> >> --
> >> William Black
>
> >> Free men have open minds
> >> If you want loyalty, buy a dog...
>
>
> Hey, arse-wipe, if you nothing to add then shut up.
NickyK
Mar 16, 2012, 8:33:00 AM3/16/12
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On Mar 12, 3:29 pm, "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <d...@jameford.edu>
wrote:
> William Black wrote:
> > On 12/03/12 02:48, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>
> >> William Black wrote:
>
> >>> And where on earth
>
> >> Yes, it was centuries of European (not just German) crimes against the
> >> Jews
> >> culminating in the Europeans and U.S. agreeing to create Jewish Israel in
> >> Palestine, thus forcing the Palestinians to pay for European crimes.
> >> ;-)
>
> > Less than honest.
>
> > Address the issue.
>
> > Do you accept that the Palestinian Arab leadership was complicit in the
> > Holocaust?
>
> > You prevarication and dishonest behaviour indicates that you do but
> > you're in denial about it.
>
> I won't let you draw me into an irrelevant issue...but no the Palestinians
> were not involved in the killing of Jews...but the Palestinians did want
> William Black wrote:
> > On 12/03/12 02:48, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
>
> >> William Black wrote:
>
> >>> And where on earth
>
> >> Yes, it was centuries of European (not just German) crimes against the
> >> Jews
> >> culminating in the Europeans and U.S. agreeing to create Jewish Israel in
> >> Palestine, thus forcing the Palestinians to pay for European crimes.
> >> ;-)
>
> > Less than honest.
>
> > Address the issue.
>
> > Do you accept that the Palestinian Arab leadership was complicit in the
> > Holocaust?
>
> > You prevarication and dishonest behaviour indicates that you do but
> > you're in denial about it.
>
> I won't let you draw me into an irrelevant issue...but no the Palestinians
> to stop the uncontrolled immigration of Jews to Palestine.
>
>
> This is the type of tit-for-tat crap that you supporter of Jewish Israel
> engage in...any minutia to "justify" your war. I can find many Americans
> who supported Nazis, but that does not make the U.S. complicit in killing
> of Jews.- Hide quoted text -
> engage in...any minutia to "justify" your war. I can find many Americans
> who supported Nazis, but that does not make the U.S. complicit in killing
NickyK
Mar 16, 2012, 8:35:17 AM3/16/12
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NickyK
Mar 16, 2012, 8:31:45 AM3/16/12
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On Mar 11, 10:48 pm, "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <d...@jameford.edu>
wrote:
> William Black wrote:
>
> > And where on earth
>
> Yes, it was centuries of European (not just German) crimes against the Jews
> culminating in the Europeans and U.S. agreeing to create Jewish Israel in
> Palestine, thus forcing the Palestinians to pay for European crimes.
> ;-)
YAWNzzzzzzzz
> William Black wrote:
>
> > And where on earth
>
> Yes, it was centuries of European (not just German) crimes against the Jews
> culminating in the Europeans and U.S. agreeing to create Jewish Israel in
> Palestine, thus forcing the Palestinians to pay for European crimes.
> ;-)
NickyK
Mar 16, 2012, 8:35:48 AM3/16/12
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NickyK
Mar 16, 2012, 8:35:08 AM3/16/12
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On Mar 13, 9:16 pm, "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <d...@jameford.edu>
wrote:
> >>True, some remnants of Jews lived there but the Jews were very effectively expelled.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
!Jones
Mar 16, 2012, 11:35:14 AM3/16/12
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On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 05:32:42 -0700 (PDT), in alt.war.vietnam NickyK
<nicky...@gmail.com> wrote:
>YAWNzzzzzzzz
NickyK, I really enjoy reading your posts; they always show deep
insight and quiet wisdom.
Jones
<nicky...@gmail.com> wrote:
>YAWNzzzzzzzz
NickyK, I really enjoy reading your posts; they always show deep
insight and quiet wisdom.
Jones
Dean
Mar 16, 2012, 2:44:39 PM3/16/12
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On Mar 16, 11:35 am, !Jones <hsoia...@kjipu.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 05:32:42 -0700 (PDT), in alt.war.vietnam NickyK
>
> On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 05:32:42 -0700 (PDT), in alt.war.vietnam NickyK
>
> <nicky.k...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >YAWNzzzzzzzz
>
> NickyK, I really enjoy reading your posts; they always show deep
> insight and quiet wisdom.
>
> Jones
He really should learn to spell properly, though.
> >YAWNzzzzzzzz
>
> NickyK, I really enjoy reading your posts; they always show deep
> insight and quiet wisdom.
>
> Jones
red...@lava.net
Mar 16, 2012, 7:23:50 PM3/16/12
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!Jones
Mar 16, 2012, 10:00:48 PM3/16/12
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On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 13:23:50 -1000, in alt.war.vietnam red...@lava.net
wrote:
>Can you tell where the youngings posting from? - redvet
Why would one bother?
Jones
wrote:
>Can you tell where the youngings posting from? - redvet
Jones
NickyK
Mar 17, 2012, 9:46:52 AM3/17/12
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On Mar 16, 7:23 pm, red...@lava.net wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 10:35:14 -0500, !Jones <hsoia...@kjipu.com> wrote:
> >On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 05:32:42 -0700 (PDT), in alt.war.vietnam NickyK
> ><nicky.k...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>YAWNzzzzzzzz
>
> >NickyK, I really enjoy reading your posts; they always show deep
> >insight and quiet wisdom.
>
> >Jones
>
> Can you tell where the youngings posting from? - redvet
YAWNzzzzzzzz
> >On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 05:32:42 -0700 (PDT), in alt.war.vietnam NickyK
> ><nicky.k...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>YAWNzzzzzzzz
>
> >NickyK, I really enjoy reading your posts; they always show deep
> >insight and quiet wisdom.
>
> >Jones
>
> Can you tell where the youngings posting from? - redvet
NickyK
Mar 17, 2012, 9:46:59 AM3/17/12
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!Jones
Mar 17, 2012, 9:11:02 PM3/17/12
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Jones
NickyK
Mar 18, 2012, 11:31:39 AM3/18/12
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On Mar 17, 9:11 pm, !Jones <hsoia...@kjipu.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 06:46:59 -0700 (PDT), in alt.war.vietnam NickyK
>
> On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 06:46:59 -0700 (PDT), in alt.war.vietnam NickyK
>
> <nicky.k...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Mar 16, 10:00 pm, !Jones <hsoia...@kjipu.com> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 13:23:50 -1000, in alt.war.vietnam red...@lava.net
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >Can you tell where the youngings posting from? - redvet
>
> >> Why would one bother?
>
> >> Jones
>
> >YAWNzzzzzzzz
>
> I say: it's a 'bot.
>
> Jones
YAWNzzzzzzz
> >On Mar 16, 10:00 pm, !Jones <hsoia...@kjipu.com> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 13:23:50 -1000, in alt.war.vietnam red...@lava.net
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >Can you tell where the youngings posting from? - redvet
>
> >> Why would one bother?
>
> >> Jones
>
> >YAWNzzzzzzzz
>
> I say: it's a 'bot.
>
> Jones
Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.
Mar 27, 2012, 11:15:28 PM3/27/12
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NickyK wrote:
> On Mar 10, 12:32 pm, "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <d...@jameford.edu>
Every major European country at some point has expelled the Jews. Some multiple times.
England
France
Spain
Germany
Hungary
Italy
Greece
Sweden
...
After WW2 Europe and U.S. created Jewish Israel. Non-Jew Palestinians were ignored.
;-)
> On Mar 10, 12:32 pm, "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <d...@jameford.edu>
> wrote:
>>
>>Palestinians...made to pay for the crimes of Europeans against Jews.
Correct.
>>
>>Palestinians...made to pay for the crimes of Europeans against Jews.
Every major European country at some point has expelled the Jews. Some multiple times.
England
France
Spain
Germany
Hungary
Italy
Greece
Sweden
...
After WW2 Europe and U.S. created Jewish Israel. Non-Jew Palestinians were ignored.
;-)
MITO MINISTER
Mar 27, 2012, 11:39:18 PM3/27/12
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On Mar 14, 10:50 am, "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <d...@jameford.edu>
wrote:
wrote:
> William Black wrote:
> >Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
> >> William Black wrote:
> >>>Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
> >Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
> >> William Black wrote:
> >>>Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. wrote:
> >>>> William Black wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>> The *fact* remains that the Jews were *effectively* gone from
> >>>>>>>> Palestine for over 18 centuries; they gave up claim to the land.
> >>>>>>>> ;-)
>
> >>>>>>> Could you define 'effectively'
>
> >>>>>> The Roman expulsion of the Jews had the intended effect, namely
> >>>>>> that the Jews were no longer in power and were small enough in
> >>>>>> numbers that they were no threat to power.
>
> >>>>> So they weren't 'expelled' at all then.
>
> >>>> Yes, son, they were expelled, exiled, driven out, kicked out, taken
> >>>> out...
>
> >>>> You're twisting, attempting to cover your lying and ignorance.
>
> >>> A sizeable Jewish population remained.
>
> >> It was a "tiny remnant" of Jews. (the quote is by Jew Ami
> >> Isseroff in the preface to T. Herzl's 1897 The Jewish State)
>
> >> You're in a cycle of lying, Wee Willie The Ignorant.
>
> >> The *fact* remains that the Jews were *effectively* gone from
> >> Palestine for over 18 centuries; they gave up claim to the land.
> >> ;-)
>
> > I notice you preface the name of your source by the word 'Jew'.
> > I wonder why?
>
> He was a Jew. Live with it, son.
> ;-)
No claim was given up. Next year in...
>
> >>>>>>>> The *fact* remains that the Jews were *effectively* gone from
> >>>>>>>> Palestine for over 18 centuries; they gave up claim to the land.
> >>>>>>>> ;-)
>
> >>>>>>> Could you define 'effectively'
>
> >>>>>> The Roman expulsion of the Jews had the intended effect, namely
> >>>>>> that the Jews were no longer in power and were small enough in
> >>>>>> numbers that they were no threat to power.
>
> >>>>> So they weren't 'expelled' at all then.
>
> >>>> Yes, son, they were expelled, exiled, driven out, kicked out, taken
> >>>> out...
>
> >>>> You're twisting, attempting to cover your lying and ignorance.
>
> >>> A sizeable Jewish population remained.
>
> >> It was a "tiny remnant" of Jews. (the quote is by Jew Ami
> >> Isseroff in the preface to T. Herzl's 1897 The Jewish State)
>
> >> You're in a cycle of lying, Wee Willie The Ignorant.
>
> >> The *fact* remains that the Jews were *effectively* gone from
> >> Palestine for over 18 centuries; they gave up claim to the land.
> >> ;-)
>
> > I notice you preface the name of your source by the word 'Jew'.
> > I wonder why?
>
> He was a Jew. Live with it, son.
> ;-)
MITO MINISTER
Mar 27, 2012, 11:40:51 PM3/27/12
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On Mar 14, 10:17 pm, !Jones <hsoia...@kjipu.com> wrote:
> The Israeli presence is Palestine is simply a fact.
>
> Henry II: The Aquitaine is mine!
>
> Phillip II: By what authority?
>
> Henry II: It's got my troops all over it. That makes it mine.
>
> "The Lion in Winter" (1966.) Goldman, J. ... who, as I'm sure Vinney
> will point out, is (or was, depending on your perspective, he died
> about 10 years ago) a Jew.
>
> It is also a fact that the Israelis are ultimately going to have to
> make some concessions to the other people living in the region. The
> non-Semitic occupants of the land cannot be forced out simply because
> of their religious beliefs... or, at least, that's the Western school
> of thought.
>
> Jones
Arabs are Semites. Or are you refering to the Armenians in Jerusalem?
> The Israeli presence is Palestine is simply a fact.
>
> Henry II: The Aquitaine is mine!
>
> Phillip II: By what authority?
>
> Henry II: It's got my troops all over it. That makes it mine.
>
> "The Lion in Winter" (1966.) Goldman, J. ... who, as I'm sure Vinney
> will point out, is (or was, depending on your perspective, he died
> about 10 years ago) a Jew.
>
> It is also a fact that the Israelis are ultimately going to have to
> make some concessions to the other people living in the region. The
> non-Semitic occupants of the land cannot be forced out simply because
> of their religious beliefs... or, at least, that's the Western school
> of thought.
>
> Jones
Nah, you wouldn't know.
MITO MINISTER
Mar 27, 2012, 11:41:40 PM3/27/12
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SolomonW
Mar 28, 2012, 4:40:20 AM3/28/12
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was taken earlier by the League of Nations after WW1.
MITO MINISTER
Mar 28, 2012, 5:49:33 AM3/28/12
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of a Jewish homeland were expressed by certain countries and
organizations at varioius times and for various reasons. That's all.
No action was taken by the UK or the League to create a Jewish State.
None at all.
Israel was proclaimed, within hours of Britain's withdrawal, by men on
the ground, fighting, gaining territory, defeating enemy armies and
holding their ground Then it was recognized by the US and USSR. Within
minutes.
Bill
Mar 28, 2012, 6:25:25 AM3/28/12
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In article <Tp6dnZSH457ZH-_S...@supernews.com>,
dr...@jameford.edu says...
The only European power with any say in the matter was the UK, and the
Jews defeated them in a war and drove them out.
--
William Black
"Any number under six"
The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke
when asked by the Duke of Medina Sidonia how
many Spanish sword and buckler men he could
beat single handed with a quarterstaff.
dr...@jameford.edu says...
>
>
> After WW2 Europe and U.S. created Jewish Israel. Non-Jew Palestinians were ignored.
> ;-)
I think you may find that Jews with guns created Israel.
>
> After WW2 Europe and U.S. created Jewish Israel. Non-Jew Palestinians were ignored.
> ;-)
The only European power with any say in the matter was the UK, and the
Jews defeated them in a war and drove them out.
--
William Black
"Any number under six"
The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke
when asked by the Duke of Medina Sidonia how
many Spanish sword and buckler men he could
beat single handed with a quarterstaff.
NickyK
Mar 28, 2012, 1:06:14 PM3/28/12
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Andrew Swallow
Mar 28, 2012, 3:44:07 PM3/28/12
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On 28/03/2012 11:25, Bill wrote:
> In article<Tp6dnZSH457ZH-_S...@supernews.com>,
> dr...@jameford.edu says...
>>
>
>>
>> After WW2 Europe and U.S. created Jewish Israel. Non-Jew Palestinians were ignored.
>> ;-)
>
> I think you may find that Jews with guns created Israel.
>
> The only European power with any say in the matter was the UK, and the
> Jews defeated them in a war and drove them out.
>
>
With help from the Palestinians. Both sides were shooting at us, not a
> In article<Tp6dnZSH457ZH-_S...@supernews.com>,
> dr...@jameford.edu says...
>>
>
>>
>> After WW2 Europe and U.S. created Jewish Israel. Non-Jew Palestinians were ignored.
>> ;-)
>
> I think you may find that Jews with guns created Israel.
>
> The only European power with any say in the matter was the UK, and the
> Jews defeated them in a war and drove them out.
>
>
good place to be.
Andrew Swallow
Bill
Mar 28, 2012, 3:50:02 PM3/28/12
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In article <5qSdnTYe46GY9-7S...@bt.com>,
am.sw...@btinternet.com says...
By 1947 the Arab resistance to the British had gone. Their leadership
was in exile or in hiding and utterly discredited with everyone.
The bulk of the Jewish military leadership had British military
experience and training and, unlike the British, had a cause to fight
for.
The 'early' post war British army was a pretty dreadful institution made
up of old regular officers who didn't leave at the end of the war (there
were no regular commissions granted in WWII)and conscripts who didn't
want to fight, had no combat experience, and certainly didn't want to
stop the Jews getting a homeland.
am.sw...@btinternet.com says...
was in exile or in hiding and utterly discredited with everyone.
The bulk of the Jewish military leadership had British military
experience and training and, unlike the British, had a cause to fight
for.
The 'early' post war British army was a pretty dreadful institution made
up of old regular officers who didn't leave at the end of the war (there
were no regular commissions granted in WWII)and conscripts who didn't
want to fight, had no combat experience, and certainly didn't want to
stop the Jews getting a homeland.
NickyK
Mar 29, 2012, 8:30:51 AM3/29/12
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On Mar 28, 3:44 pm, Andrew Swallow <am.swal...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> On 28/03/2012 11:25, Bill wrote:> In article<Tp6dnZSH457ZH-_SnZ2dnUVZ_jSdn...@supernews.com>,
> > d...@jameford.edu says...
> On 28/03/2012 11:25, Bill wrote:> In article<Tp6dnZSH457ZH-_SnZ2dnUVZ_jSdn...@supernews.com>,
> > d...@jameford.edu says...
>
> >> After WW2 Europe and U.S. created Jewish Israel. Non-Jew Palestinians were ignored.
> >> ;-)
>
> > I think you may find that Jews with guns created Israel.
>
> > The only European power with any say in the matter was the UK, and the
> > Jews defeated them in a war and drove them out.
>
> With help from the Palestinians. Both sides were shooting at us, not a
> good place to be.
>
> Andrew Swallow
YAWNzzzzzzzzzzzz
> >> After WW2 Europe and U.S. created Jewish Israel. Non-Jew Palestinians were ignored.
> >> ;-)
>
> > I think you may find that Jews with guns created Israel.
>
> > The only European power with any say in the matter was the UK, and the
> > Jews defeated them in a war and drove them out.
>
> With help from the Palestinians. Both sides were shooting at us, not a
> good place to be.
>
> Andrew Swallow
NickyK
Mar 29, 2012, 8:30:59 AM3/29/12
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On Mar 28, 3:50 pm, Bill <blackuse...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <5qSdnTYe46GY9-7SnZ2dnUVZ8vmdn...@bt.com>,
> am.swal...@btinternet.com says...
> > > d...@jameford.edu says...
> In article <5qSdnTYe46GY9-7SnZ2dnUVZ8vmdn...@bt.com>,
> am.swal...@btinternet.com says...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 28/03/2012 11:25, Bill wrote:
> > > In article<Tp6dnZSH457ZH-_SnZ2dnUVZ_jSdn...@supernews.com>,
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 28/03/2012 11:25, Bill wrote:
> > > d...@jameford.edu says...
>
> > >> After WW2 Europe and U.S. created Jewish Israel. Non-Jew Palestinians were ignored.
> > >> ;-)
>
> > > I think you may find that Jews with guns created Israel.
>
> > > The only European power with any say in the matter was the UK, and the
> > > Jews defeated them in a war and drove them out.
>
> > With help from the Palestinians. Both sides were shooting at us, not a
> > good place to be.
>
> By 1947 the Arab resistance to the British had gone. Their leadership
> was in exile or in hiding and utterly discredited with everyone.
>
> The bulk of the Jewish military leadership had British military
> experience and training and, unlike the British, had a cause to fight
> for.
>
> The 'early' post war British army was a pretty dreadful institution made
> up of old regular officers who didn't leave at the end of the war (there
> were no regular commissions granted in WWII)and conscripts who didn't
> want to fight, had no combat experience, and certainly didn't want to
> stop the Jews getting a homeland.
>
> --
> William Black
>
> "Any number under six"
>
> The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke
> when asked by the Duke of Medina Sidonia how
> many Spanish sword and buckler men he could
> beat single handed with a quarterstaff. - Hide quoted text -
> > >> After WW2 Europe and U.S. created Jewish Israel. Non-Jew Palestinians were ignored.
> > >> ;-)
>
> > > I think you may find that Jews with guns created Israel.
>
> > > The only European power with any say in the matter was the UK, and the
> > > Jews defeated them in a war and drove them out.
>
> > With help from the Palestinians. Both sides were shooting at us, not a
> > good place to be.
>
> By 1947 the Arab resistance to the British had gone. Their leadership
> was in exile or in hiding and utterly discredited with everyone.
>
> The bulk of the Jewish military leadership had British military
> experience and training and, unlike the British, had a cause to fight
> for.
>
> The 'early' post war British army was a pretty dreadful institution made
> up of old regular officers who didn't leave at the end of the war (there
> were no regular commissions granted in WWII)and conscripts who didn't
> want to fight, had no combat experience, and certainly didn't want to
> stop the Jews getting a homeland.
>
> --
> William Black
>
> "Any number under six"
>
> The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke
> when asked by the Duke of Medina Sidonia how
> many Spanish sword and buckler men he could
>
> - Show quoted text -
YAWNzzzzzzzzzzzz
> - Show quoted text -
Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.
Mar 29, 2012, 9:18:04 PM3/29/12
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Bill wrote:
> In article <Tp6dnZSH457ZH-_S...@supernews.com>,
> dr...@jameford.edu says...
>
>
>>After WW2 Europe and U.S. created Jewish Israel. Non-Jew Palestinians were ignored.
>>;-)
>
>
> I think you may find that Jews with guns created Israel.
I thought the propaganda line was that G-d created Israel for
> In article <Tp6dnZSH457ZH-_S...@supernews.com>,
> dr...@jameford.edu says...
>
>
>>After WW2 Europe and U.S. created Jewish Israel. Non-Jew Palestinians were ignored.
>>;-)
>
>
> I think you may find that Jews with guns created Israel.
Jews forever and all non-Jews are merely squatters.
anyway...the UN (controlled by U.S. and Europe) partitioned, and
then, as fully expected, the Jews declared an independent Jewish state.
Non-Jews in the land and all governments in surrounding countries were
ignored, including proposals for *fair* democracies (found at U.N. website).
so Palestinians have been made to pay for European crimes against Jews.
> The only European power with any say in the matter was the UK,
;-)
Bill
Mar 29, 2012, 9:35:11 PM3/29/12
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In article <dqCdnUBbAqwilOjS...@supernews.com>,
dr...@jameford.edu says...
That you think so just points out your anti-Semitism.
> anyway...the UN (controlled by U.S. and Europe) partitioned, and
> then, as fully expected, the Jews declared an independent Jewish state.
No.
You know for a professor of history you're remarkably ill informed.
The British withdrew under fire before the mandate expired and left the
people there to shoot it out amongst themselves.
Despite being invaded by a number of Arab states, the Jews won.
The British did attempt to arm the Arabs, but they seem to have come
unglued somehow.
> Non-Jews in the land and all governments in surrounding countries were
> ignored, including proposals for *fair* democracies (found at U.N. website).
The surrounding countries were certainly not ignored.
All of them invaded.
Ignoring that would have been a disaster.
> > The only European power with any say in the matter was the UK,
>
> lie...see above
> ;-)
No proof there son.
Please try harder, you're becoming complacent with your rather tired
racism and lies.
dr...@jameford.edu says...
>
> Bill wrote:
> > In article <Tp6dnZSH457ZH-_S...@supernews.com>,
> > dr...@jameford.edu says...
> >
> >
> >>After WW2 Europe and U.S. created Jewish Israel. Non-Jew Palestinians were ignored.
> >>;-)
> >
> >
> > I think you may find that Jews with guns created Israel.
>
> I thought the propaganda line was that G-d created Israel for
> Jews forever and all non-Jews are merely squatters.
Nope.
> Bill wrote:
> > In article <Tp6dnZSH457ZH-_S...@supernews.com>,
> > dr...@jameford.edu says...
> >
> >
> >>After WW2 Europe and U.S. created Jewish Israel. Non-Jew Palestinians were ignored.
> >>;-)
> >
> >
> > I think you may find that Jews with guns created Israel.
>
> I thought the propaganda line was that G-d created Israel for
> Jews forever and all non-Jews are merely squatters.
That you think so just points out your anti-Semitism.
> anyway...the UN (controlled by U.S. and Europe) partitioned, and
> then, as fully expected, the Jews declared an independent Jewish state.
You know for a professor of history you're remarkably ill informed.
The British withdrew under fire before the mandate expired and left the
people there to shoot it out amongst themselves.
Despite being invaded by a number of Arab states, the Jews won.
The British did attempt to arm the Arabs, but they seem to have come
unglued somehow.
> Non-Jews in the land and all governments in surrounding countries were
> ignored, including proposals for *fair* democracies (found at U.N. website).
All of them invaded.
Ignoring that would have been a disaster.
> > The only European power with any say in the matter was the UK,
>
> lie...see above
> ;-)
Please try harder, you're becoming complacent with your rather tired
racism and lies.
Mac
Mar 29, 2012, 9:53:10 PM3/29/12
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On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 18:18:04 -0700, Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D. spewed forth
the following:
> Bill wrote:
>> [quoted text muted]
*************** *************
The ""Dr."" Vincent Quin, ""Ph.D"":
Hmmmm?
Wasn't the Grand Mufti, or the Grand Pooh-Bah of that region rather in
the hip pocket of Hitler?
I seem to remember that Jews had been in the area for a "little while"
prior to the 19th-century.
Also, several of the many "absentee-landlords" who helped keep down the
native populace, sold much property to Jews who then engaged in
agriculture.
FINALLY. with the land partitioned, Israel declared it's existence and
apparently you neglected to mention what then happened, how many of those
nations then attacked that country --- and that many of the "religious
leaders" believe and declare that the "PROTOCALS" created by the Czars
secret police is true and that many in those countries believe that they
must kill all Jews and decimate Israel...
-Mac, the Medic
the following:
> Bill wrote:
>> [quoted text muted]
*************** *************
The ""Dr."" Vincent Quin, ""Ph.D"":
> I thought the propaganda line was that G-d created Israel for Jews
> forever and all non-Jews are merely squatters.
anyway...the UN (controlled by U.S. and Europe) partitioned, and
then, as fully expected, the Jews declared an independent Jewish state.
Non-Jews in the land and all governments in surrounding countries were
ignored, including proposals for *fair* democracies (found at U.N.
website).
so Palestinians have been made to pay for European crimes against Jews.
=========== =========
> forever and all non-Jews are merely squatters.
anyway...the UN (controlled by U.S. and Europe) partitioned, and
then, as fully expected, the Jews declared an independent Jewish state.
Non-Jews in the land and all governments in surrounding countries were
ignored, including proposals for *fair* democracies (found at U.N.
website).
so Palestinians have been made to pay for European crimes against Jews.
Hmmmm?
Wasn't the Grand Mufti, or the Grand Pooh-Bah of that region rather in
the hip pocket of Hitler?
I seem to remember that Jews had been in the area for a "little while"
prior to the 19th-century.
Also, several of the many "absentee-landlords" who helped keep down the
native populace, sold much property to Jews who then engaged in
agriculture.
FINALLY. with the land partitioned, Israel declared it's existence and
apparently you neglected to mention what then happened, how many of those
nations then attacked that country --- and that many of the "religious
leaders" believe and declare that the "PROTOCALS" created by the Czars
secret police is true and that many in those countries believe that they
must kill all Jews and decimate Israel...
-Mac, the Medic
Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.
Mar 29, 2012, 9:55:47 PM3/29/12
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Bill wrote:
> In article <dqCdnUBbAqwilOjS...@supernews.com>,
> dr...@jameford.edu says...
>
>>Bill wrote:
>>
>>>In article <Tp6dnZSH457ZH-_S...@supernews.com>,
>>>dr...@jameford.edu says...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>After WW2 Europe and U.S. created Jewish Israel. Non-Jew Palestinians were ignored.
>>>>;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>I think you may find that Jews with guns created Israel.
>>
>>I thought the propaganda line was that G-d created Israel for
>>Jews forever and all non-Jews are merely squatters.
>
>
> In article <dqCdnUBbAqwilOjS...@supernews.com>,
> dr...@jameford.edu says...
>
>>Bill wrote:
>>
>>>In article <Tp6dnZSH457ZH-_S...@supernews.com>,
>>>dr...@jameford.edu says...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>After WW2 Europe and U.S. created Jewish Israel. Non-Jew Palestinians were ignored.
>>>>;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>I think you may find that Jews with guns created Israel.
>>
>>I thought the propaganda line was that G-d created Israel for
>>Jews forever and all non-Jews are merely squatters.
>
>
> That you think so just points out your anti-Semitism.
Lie (you've been dying to use the usual anti-Semite card).
but I have heard *many* times from Jews themselves that G-d gave
Israel to the Jews forever and non-Jews are squatters (and they,
the Jews, are now just "re-claiming" it)
>>anyway...the UN (controlled by U.S. and Europe) partitioned, and
>>then, as fully expected, the Jews declared an independent Jewish state.
>
> No.
>>Non-Jews in the land and all governments in surrounding countries were
>>ignored, including proposals for *fair* democracies (found at U.N. website).
>
> The surrounding countries were certainly not ignored.
>>>The only European power with any say in the matter was the UK,
>>
>>lie...see above
>>;-)
>
> No proof there son.
Anyone can easily verify that you are a liar.
;-)
MITO MINISTER
Mar 29, 2012, 11:12:51 PM3/29/12
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On Mar 30, 10:18 am, "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <d...@jameford.edu>
wrote:
> > d...@jameford.edu says...
The "partition" was lines drawn on a map. These lines created nothing.
The British left and well-prepared Jewish fighters fought to gain and
hold on to territory that became the State of Israel. Jordan and
Egypt, states that already existed, moved in and took over some of
Mandate Palestine. Jewish fighters got the bulk of it.
wrote:
> > d...@jameford.edu says...
The British left and well-prepared Jewish fighters fought to gain and
hold on to territory that became the State of Israel. Jordan and
Egypt, states that already existed, moved in and took over some of
Mandate Palestine. Jewish fighters got the bulk of it.
Bill
Mar 30, 2012, 4:13:56 AM3/30/12
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In article <DamdnUnzlJALj-jS...@supernews.com>,
>
> but I have heard *many* times from Jews themselves that G-d gave
> Israel to the Jews forever and non-Jews are squatters (and they,
> the Jews, are now just "re-claiming" it)
Cite please from any of the major figures involved in the creation of
the state of Israel.
Well, that or admit your racism.
> >>anyway...the UN (controlled by U.S. and Europe) partitioned, and
> >>then, as fully expected, the Jews declared an independent Jewish state.
> >
> > No.
>
> Son, we note your blatant lying here.
You're not terribly bright are you.
> >>Non-Jews in the land and all governments in surrounding countries were
> >>ignored, including proposals for *fair* democracies (found at U.N. website).
> >
> > The surrounding countries were certainly not ignored.
>
> Another lie.
Another dishonest snip.
Your racism is now openly on display.
dr...@jameford.edu says...
>
> Bill wrote:
>
> > In article <dqCdnUBbAqwilOjS...@supernews.com>,
> > dr...@jameford.edu says...
> >
> >>Bill wrote:
> >>
> >>>In article <Tp6dnZSH457ZH-_S...@supernews.com>,
> >>>dr...@jameford.edu says...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>After WW2 Europe and U.S. created Jewish Israel. Non-Jew Palestinians were ignored.
> >>>>;-)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>I think you may find that Jews with guns created Israel.
> >>
> >>I thought the propaganda line was that G-d created Israel for
> >>Jews forever and all non-Jews are merely squatters.
> >
> >
> > That you think so just points out your anti-Semitism.
>
> Lie (you've been dying to use the usual anti-Semite card).
That's because you're a bigot.
>
> Bill wrote:
>
> > In article <dqCdnUBbAqwilOjS...@supernews.com>,
> > dr...@jameford.edu says...
> >
> >>Bill wrote:
> >>
> >>>In article <Tp6dnZSH457ZH-_S...@supernews.com>,
> >>>dr...@jameford.edu says...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>After WW2 Europe and U.S. created Jewish Israel. Non-Jew Palestinians were ignored.
> >>>>;-)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>I think you may find that Jews with guns created Israel.
> >>
> >>I thought the propaganda line was that G-d created Israel for
> >>Jews forever and all non-Jews are merely squatters.
> >
> >
> > That you think so just points out your anti-Semitism.
>
> Lie (you've been dying to use the usual anti-Semite card).
>
> but I have heard *many* times from Jews themselves that G-d gave
> Israel to the Jews forever and non-Jews are squatters (and they,
> the Jews, are now just "re-claiming" it)
the state of Israel.
Well, that or admit your racism.
> >>anyway...the UN (controlled by U.S. and Europe) partitioned, and
> >>then, as fully expected, the Jews declared an independent Jewish state.
> >
> > No.
>
> Son, we note your blatant lying here.
> >>Non-Jews in the land and all governments in surrounding countries were
> >>ignored, including proposals for *fair* democracies (found at U.N. website).
> >
> > The surrounding countries were certainly not ignored.
>
> Another lie.
Your racism is now openly on display.
Eugene Griessel
Mar 30, 2012, 5:15:39 AM3/30/12
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On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 09:13:56 +0100, Bill <black...@gmail.com>
wrote:
I rather think the duplicity, immorality, racism and lack of veracity
of the poster is a well established fact, don't you?
Eugene L Griessel
The only substitute for good manners is fast reflexes.
wrote:
of the poster is a well established fact, don't you?
Eugene L Griessel
The only substitute for good manners is fast reflexes.
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