What happened here?
DN
are all the political topics doing here? It's pretty obvious the
founder isn't here anymore.......or many of the others that used to
frequent sci.military.naval.
Jack Linthicum
You haven't been here for, what?, five years? This group attracts
loonies, welcome.
Arved Sandstrom
If the founder were still here it wouldn't matter - almost any NG after
a while, if it's unmoderated, starts bloating up with crap. It's pretty
much irrelevant as to whether there are on-topic posters...it's not like
they can control anything.
AHS
Ray O'Hara
"DN" <ship...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:db9da9e1-bf22-45fb...@m16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
newsgroups are communities.
the topic initially attracts people but as they get to know each other
conversation branches out.
and there is only so many times you can talk about why the BCs blew up at
Jutland and who made the best CA.
and folks like you who complain the most never seem to start any threads.
if there is a naval issue you wish to discuss start a thread, people will
respond.
Taki Kogoma
allegedly proclaimed to sci.military.naval:
The 2000 elections happened.
Gym "By my recollection, that's roughly when the newfroup became more
than 50% political chest-thumping on a permanent basis." Quirk
--
Capt. Gym Z. Quirk (Known to some as Taki Kogoma) quirk @ swcp.com
Just an article detector on the Information Supercollider.
La N
> On 2009-11-19, DN <ship...@aol.com>
> allegedly proclaimed to sci.military.naval:
>> This used to be a discussion group about naval matters......what
>> are all the political topics doing here? It's pretty obvious the
>> founder isn't here anymore.......or many of the others that used to
>> frequent sci.military.naval.
>
> The 2000 elections happened.
>
Iraq was invaded. Usenet went downhill from there.
- nilita
Dennis
The trolls came in. As always, Do Not Feed the Trolls!
Dennis
Eugene Griessel
<raymon...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"DN" <ship...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:db9da9e1-bf22-45fb...@m16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
>> This used to be a discussion group about naval matters......what
>> are all the political topics doing here? It's pretty obvious the
>> founder isn't here anymore.......or many of the others that used to
>> frequent sci.military.naval
>
>newsgroups are communities.
Severely dysfunctional communities.
>the topic initially attracts people but as they get to know each other
>conversation branches out.
Thread drift is tolerable as is the occasional off-topic post by the
regulars. But when someone only ever posts off-topic then there is a
problem. Let's not mention loons like our Lyme sufferer, raving loons
like our pro-Pakistan apologist (who is actually more anti-India than
anything else), our fake PhD of the ever-changing name and the father
of millions, the AWL (sigh) and sundry assorted soap-box orators.
>and there is only so many times you can talk about why the BCs blew up at
>Jutland and who made the best CA.
There is plenty going on in the naval world currently that we need not
confine the discussion to historical matters, and even better, not
have to discuss subjective evaluations or "what ifs".
>and folks like you who complain the most never seem to start any threads.
>
>if there is a naval issue you wish to discuss start a thread, people will
>respond.
Strangely enough naval threads often die very quickly here. Ask a
pertinent naval question and responses are few and far between.
Recently there have been a number of requests for ship IDs - look at
the very few responses, and the even fewer useful (or correct) ones.
Once upon a time such a request would have brought a plethora of
accurate responses!
Eugene L Griessel
If automobiles had followed the same development cycle as the
computer, a Rolls-Royce would today cost $100, get a million miles
per gallon and explode once a year, killing everyone inside.
- I post only from Sci.Military.Naval -
La N
> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:27:39 -0500, "Ray O'Hara"
> >
> regulars. But when someone only ever posts off-topic then there is a
> problem. Let's not mention loons like our Lyme sufferer, raving loons
> like our pro-Pakistan apologist (who is actually more anti-India than
> anything else), our fake PhD of the ever-changing name and the father
> of millions, the AWL (sigh) and sundry assorted soap-box orators.
>
Pa Peng is back. That must count for something, Genie!
- nilita
Peter Skelton
<fjmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>DN <ship...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>:
>: This used to be a discussion group about naval matters......what
>:are all the political topics doing here? It's pretty obvious the
>:founder isn't here anymore.......or many of the others that used to
>:frequent sci.military.naval.
>:
>
>There is no 'founder' for Usenet newsgroups, newbie. This isn't some
>BBS.
>
>If we ever want a net.khop, we'll be sure to keep you in mind.
Andrew Toppan is generally considered to be the founder of this
group. There is administrantium (the opposite of unobtanium) to
get through, petitions to circulate etc. Andrew's credit is
deserved.
Andrew also set up the haze grey page, in its time the best of
its type although not well maintained now. He worked on the Salem
project, but I'm not aware of the details.
Peter Skelton
Jack Linthicum
> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:29:18 -0700, Fred J. McCall
>
"Friends of Salem"? 1996
Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.
Son, if you don't like our group then leave. Simple, eh?
;-)
--
Each person has an individual responsibility to determine if his actions are moral, and
no government or army may ever take that responsibility away.
definition:
murder - the unjustifiable and intentional killing of people, NO EXCEPTIONS.
Jack Linthicum
wrote:
What if the group doesn't like you? Same?
Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.
Of course, son, you may leave anytime. We don't want you to stay unhappy.
Eugene Griessel
PLEASE! I like the "our group" this lying misfit uses. He has never
posted anything whatsoever relevant.
Dean
Jack Linthicum
> Peter Skelton <skelt...@cogeco.ca> wrote:
>
> :On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:29:18 -0700, Fred J. McCall:<fjmcc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ::>DN <shipf...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> :>
> :>:
> :>: This used to be a discussion group about naval matters......what
> :>:are all the political topics doing here? It's pretty obvious the
> :>:founder isn't here anymore.......or many of the others that used to
> :>:frequent sci.military.naval.
> :>:
> :>
> :>There is no 'founder' for Usenet newsgroups, newbie. This isn't some
> :>BBS.
> :>
> :>If we ever want a net.khop, we'll be sure to keep you in mind.
> :
> :Andrew Toppan is generally considered to be the founder of this
> :group. There is administrantium (the opposite of unobtanium) to
> :get through, petitions to circulate etc. Andrew's credit is
> :deserved.
>
> Generally, the concept of 'founder' is foreign to Usenet. Andrew may
> have originated the RFD (along with Steve Schultz), but I've never
> heard the word 'Founder' used to refer to anyone doing that for any
> newsgroup.
>
> --
> "It's always different. It's always complex. But at some point,
> somebody has to draw the line. And that somebody is always me....
> I am the law."
> -- Buffy, The Vampire Slayer
It's a naval term, I've seen "founder" used often to describe small
boat performance in rough waters.
Richard Casady
wrote:
It's the Joooooz, it's the Joooooz.
Casady
Peter Skelton
<fjmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Peter Skelton <skel...@cogeco.ca> wrote:
>
>:On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:29:18 -0700, Fred J. McCall
>:<fjmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>:
>:>DN <ship...@aol.com> wrote:
>:>
>:>:
>:>: This used to be a discussion group about naval matters......what
>:>:are all the political topics doing here? It's pretty obvious the
>:>:founder isn't here anymore.......or many of the others that used to
>:>:frequent sci.military.naval.
>:>:
>:>
>:>There is no 'founder' for Usenet newsgroups, newbie. This isn't some
>:>BBS.
>:>
>:>If we ever want a net.khop, we'll be sure to keep you in mind.
>:
>:Andrew Toppan is generally considered to be the founder of this
>:group. There is administrantium (the opposite of unobtanium) to
>:get through, petitions to circulate etc. Andrew's credit is
>:deserved.
>:
>
>Generally, the concept of 'founder' is foreign to Usenet. Andrew may
>have originated the RFD (along with Steve Schultz), but I've never
>heard the word 'Founder' used to refer to anyone doing that for any
>newsgroup.
I stand by what I wrote, it is the truth.
Peter Skelton
Roger Conroy
"Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <dr...@coldine.edu> wrote in message
news:a8WdnbVuCY2tPZvW...@supernews.com...
Fuck Off Quin.
La N
"Richard Casady" <richar...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:5rbdg5d8vpt8sscbi...@4ax.com...
Clinton's fault.
Roger Conroy
"La N" <nilita20...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Y2zNm.52902$Db2.39550@edtnps83...
Bin Laden is to blame
La N
"Roger Conroy" <roger...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:he6f3i$2e1$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
But Clinton allowed bin Laden to happen! I read that in this group some
time ago, so it must be true! btw, Usenet (and this group) was invented by
American Conservatives, and they have the final word!
- nilita
Ray O'Hara
"Peter Skelton" <skel...@cogeco.ca> wrote in message
news:vb2dg55hk1vg8id15...@4ax.com...
I've wondered what became of him. he abruptly stopped posting here and
maintaining Haze Gray.
I could never convince him Charlestown is part of the city of Boston.
Roger Conroy
Where I come from everything is Apartheid's fault.
La N
Whatever happened to personal responsibility!
- nil
Roger Conroy
But! but! but! You can't demand responsibility! Thats an infringement of my
Rights!
Dan
blame it all on the Shrub...
SHAME on you folks!
Dan
Ray O'Hara
Al Gore invented the internet, Dick Armey said so.
Peter Skelton
<fjmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Peter Skelton <skel...@cogeco.ca> wrote:
>
>:On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 07:50:22 -0700, Fred J. McCall
>:
>
>You always do.
I like standing by the truth, you could try it.
(Nice snip Fred, you just can't do anything straigh up and
honest, can you?)
Peter Skelton
Peter Skelton
<fjmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>:
>:(Nice snip Fred, you just can't do anything straigh up and
>:honest, can you?)
>:
>
>Still not interested in your stupid games, Peter...
Fred, you're desperate for respect or, failing that, attention.
You're obviously interested in any reaction you can provoke from
anybody.
Peter Skelton
Eugene Griessel
wrote:
>Eugene Griessel wrote:
>> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:27:39 -0500, "Ray O'Hara"
>> >
>> Thread drift is tolerable as is the occasional off-topic post by the
>> regulars. But when someone only ever posts off-topic then there is a
>> problem. Let's not mention loons like our Lyme sufferer, raving loons
>> like our pro-Pakistan apologist (who is actually more anti-India than
>> anything else), our fake PhD of the ever-changing name and the father
>> of millions, the AWL (sigh) and sundry assorted soap-box orators.
>>
>
>Pa Peng is back. That must count for something, Genie!
>
Yes - who rubbed the toxic waste bottle to free this particular genie
again? Or is he out of prison once more?
Eugene L Griessel
The OFF button: included on modern electronics that has little function
beyond gently suggesting to the device that it may, in its own time, at its
leisure (no rush) revert from using 100% power to using only 85% power but on
no account switch off more than 50% of the LEDs festooning it's face.
Peter Skelton
<eug...@dynagen.co.za> wrote:
>On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 05:57:39 GMT, "La N" <nilita20...@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Eugene Griessel wrote:
>>> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:27:39 -0500, "Ray O'Hara"
>>> >
>>> Thread drift is tolerable as is the occasional off-topic post by the
>>> regulars. But when someone only ever posts off-topic then there is a
>>> problem. Let's not mention loons like our Lyme sufferer, raving loons
>>> like our pro-Pakistan apologist (who is actually more anti-India than
>>> anything else), our fake PhD of the ever-changing name and the father
>>> of millions, the AWL (sigh) and sundry assorted soap-box orators.
>>>
>>
>>Pa Peng is back. That must count for something, Genie!
>>
>
>Yes - who rubbed the toxic waste bottle to free this particular genie
>again? Or is he out of prison once more?
>
>
Tube 7 finally corroded through.
Peter Skelton
Richard Casady
<eug...@dynagen.co.za> wrote:
>Eugene L Griessel
>
> The OFF button: included on modern electronics that has little function
> beyond gently suggesting to the device that it may, in its own time, at its
> leisure (no rush) revert from using 100% power to using only 85% power but on
> no account switch off more than 50% of the LEDs festooning it's face.
I have about come to the conclusion that turning off my laptop is best
done with a battery extraction.
Casady
Jack Linthicum
wrote:
I pull the plug from the cable connection on mine not to save power
but whenever there is a problem and I ask a source it always entails
pulling the plug to the modem.
Richard Casady
wrote:
On the other hand, Hines remains gone and so does the odious Renia he
used to crosspost into this place. Two for one.
Casady
Jack Linthicum
wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 07:27:13 -0500, Peter Skelton <skelt...@cogeco.ca>> >>On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 05:57:39 GMT, "La N" <nilita2004NOS...@yahoo.com>
> >>wrote:
>
> >>>Eugene Griessel wrote:
> >>>> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:27:39 -0500, "Ray O'Hara"
>
> >>>> Thread drift is tolerable as is the occasional off-topic post by the
> >>>> regulars. But when someone only ever posts off-topic then there is a
> >>>> problem. Let's not mention loons like our Lyme sufferer, raving loons
> >>>> like our pro-Pakistan apologist (who is actually more anti-India than
> >>>> anything else), our fake PhD of the ever-changing name and the father
> >>>> of millions, the AWL (sigh) and sundry assorted soap-box orators.
>
> >>>Pa Peng is back. That must count for something, Genie!
>
> >>Yes - who rubbed the toxic waste bottle to free this particular genie
> >>again? Or is he out of prison once more?
>
> >Tube 7 finally corroded through.
>
> >Peter Skelton
>
> On the other hand, Hines remains gone and so does the odious Renia he
> used to crosspost into this place. Two for one.
>
> Casady
If you want a small jolly check out alt.history.british a hang out for
Hines and Renia. Utter disaster.
Jeffrey Hamilton
a.h.b seems to be a dead NG as of late, I don't miss Hines in any way,
shape, or form, but a.h.b used to have some interesting threads.
cheers....Jeff
La N
> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 05:57:39 GMT, "La N" <nilita20...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Eugene Griessel wrote:
>>> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:27:39 -0500, "Ray O'Hara"
>>>>
>>> Thread drift is tolerable as is the occasional off-topic post by the
>>> regulars. But when someone only ever posts off-topic then there is
>>> a problem. Let's not mention loons like our Lyme sufferer, raving
>>> loons like our pro-Pakistan apologist (who is actually more
>>> anti-India than anything else), our fake PhD of the ever-changing
>>> name and the father of millions, the AWL (sigh) and sundry assorted
>>> soap-box orators.
>>>
>>
>> Pa Peng is back. That must count for something, Genie!
>>
>
> Yes - who rubbed the toxic waste bottle to free this particular genie
> again? Or is he out of prison once more?
>
>
So, in a naval battle between Papa Peng's China and Pakistan Pal's Pakistan,
who would win?
Or.
Which of the two nations would whoop America's arse best! :) :) :)
- nilita
Joe Osman
> Peter Skelton <skelt...@cogeco.ca> wrote:
>
> :On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:29:18 -0700, Fred J. McCall:<fjmcc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ::>DN <shipf...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> :>
> :>:
> :>: This used to be a discussion group about naval matters......what
> :>:are all the political topics doing here? It's pretty obvious the
> :>:founder isn't here anymore.......or many of the others that used to
> :>:frequent sci.military.naval.
> :>:
> :>
> :>There is no 'founder' for Usenet newsgroups, newbie. This isn't some
> :>BBS.
> :>
> :>If we ever want a net.khop, we'll be sure to keep you in mind.
> :
> :Andrew Toppan is generally considered to be the founder of this
> :group. There is administrantium (the opposite of unobtanium) to
> :get through, petitions to circulate etc. Andrew's credit is
> :deserved.
> :
>
> Generally, the concept of 'founder' is foreign to Usenet. Andrew may
> have originated the RFD (along with Steve Schultz), but I've never
> heard the word 'Founder' used to refer to anyone doing that for any
> newsgroup.
>
> "It's always different. It's always complex. But at some point,
> somebody has to draw the line. And that somebody is always me....
> I am the law."
> -- Buffy, The Vampire Slayer
USENET itself does have a "founder" - USENIX
Joe
Joe Osman
> DN wrote:
> > This used to be a discussion group about naval matters......what
> > are all the political topics doing here? It's pretty obvious the
> > founder isn't here anymore.......or many of the others that used to
> > frequent sci.military.naval.
>
> a while, if it's unmoderated, starts bloating up with crap. It's pretty
> much irrelevant as to whether there are on-topic posters...it's not like
> they can control anything.
>
> AHS
I ran across the old 1986 Communications of the ACM article that I
used to use to get gateway addresses between networks back in the 80s.
In the USENET section it said "While chaotic and inane ramblings
abound, the network is quite popular." Believe me the signal to noise
ratio was a whole lot higher back then. I wonder if it will get any
worse or if its lack of current popularity will eventually make it
unattractive to the loons.
Joe
Peter Skelton
<fjmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Peter Skelton <skel...@cogeco.ca> wrote:
>
>:On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 04:04:44 -0700, Fred J. McCall
>:
>
>Sure, Peter. Yet you're the one who seems to have swallowed your own
>hook and can't let go.
>
>It's nice when they self-diagnose, like ...
>
It was so nice and polite around here while you were gone.
Peter Skelton