"Georgia will be in NATO..." - said Ms. Merkel
Earl
said Chancellor of Germany Ms. Merkel during her today's visit in Georgia.
dump...@hotmail.com
See:
Uh oh.
Vincent
> Earl <ne...@nowhere.net> wrote:
>
>> "Georgia will be in NATO if it wants and Georgia actually wants it!" -
>> said Chancellor of Germany Ms. Merkel during her today's visit in
>> Georgia.
>
>
> Juergen Nieveler
actually she is restating the obvious. She would be certifiably insane
if she thought NATO unanimously "wants" Georgia, as required by the Nato
agreement
Vince
deem...@aol.com
> Russia 'distributing passports in the Crimea'
>
> See:
>
>
> Uh oh.
I'm pretty sure the Ukraine is a bit tougher than Georgia....and
would get quite a bit more help.
Fred J. McCall
:
Ok, I have to ask.
What's the point of including the link in the quote if you truncate it
so that it is unusable?
--
"It's always different. It's always complex. But at some point,
somebody has to draw the line. And that somebody is always me....
I am the law."
-- Buffy, The Vampire Slayer
deem...@aol.com
> "deemsb...@aol.com" <deemsb...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> :On Aug 17, 8:25 pm, dumpst...@hotmail.com wrote:
> :> Russia 'distributing passports in the Crimea'
> :>
> :> See:
> :>
> :>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/2575421/Russ...
> :>
> :> Uh oh.
> :
> : I'm pretty sure the Ukraine is a bit tougher than Georgia....and
> :would get quite a bit more help.
> :
>
> Ok, I have to ask.
>
> What's the point of including the link in the quote if you truncate it
> so that it is unusable?
>
>
Don't ask me.
dump...@hotmail.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
The link works in my original post. It only gets truncated when my
post
is quoted in the replies. I just tried it on my terminal, and the
link in
my original post worked fine.
William Black
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While an alliance with Georgia was some sort of US aberration there's a
serious faction within the EC that wants The Ukraine in the EC as soon as is
possible.
There are complex internal political reasons why, mainly to do with the UK
and The Netherlands wanting to upset German plans, but some sort of effort
on behalf of The Ukraine by the Europeans is far more likely than a decision
to commit collective suicide over Georgia.
For a start The Ukraine has something to offer in the way of wheat
production in these days of spiralling food prices.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
deem...@aol.com
wrote:
> <deemsb...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:feff1228-9711-4eed...@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 17, 8:25 pm, dumpst...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > Russia 'distributing passports in the Crimea'
>
> > See:
>
> >http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/2575421/Russ...
>
> > Uh oh.
>
> I'm pretty sure the Ukraine is a bit tougher than Georgia....and
> would get quite a bit more help.
>
> -------------------
>
> While an alliance with Georgia was some sort of US aberration there's a
> serious faction within the EC that wants The Ukraine in the EC as soon as is
> possible.
>
> There are complex internal political reasons why, mainly to do with the UK
> and The Netherlands wanting to upset German plans, but some sort of effort
> on behalf of The Ukraine by the Europeans is far more likely than a decision
> to commit collective suicide over Georgia.
>
> For a start The Ukraine has something to offer in the way of wheat
> production in these days of spiralling food prices.
>
> --
> William Black
>
>
Supplying the Ukraine would be quite a bit easier combined with
the fact that the Ukraine is a bit too big for a walkover by the
Russians. Also, it's easy to treat Georgia as a one time deal.....if
Russia follows up with more aggression, it's going to be harder to
ignore.
Raymond O'Hara
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putin seems quite able to overplay his hand.
Tiger
Wow Nato membership, great....... That is like selling a Burglar alarm
system to a home owner the day after a Home invasion. Not much good
after the fact.....
William Black
"Raymond O'Hara" <raymon...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> putin seems quite able to overplay his hand.
No evidence of that so far.
Indeed the only person who has overplayed his hand was the Boy George.
He really is either terribly dense or appallingly badly advised.
deem...@aol.com
wrote:
> "Raymond O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:bfqdnc_EPZM0XDTV...@rcn.net...
>
>
>
> > putin seems quite able to overplay his hand.
>
> No evidence of that so far.
> Indeed the only person who has overplayed his hand was the Boy George.
>
> He really is either terribly dense or appallingly badly advised.
>
>
"Or"? I'm pretty sure these two things are not mutually
exclusive.
William Black
"Tiger" <Lana_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Read what she actually said.
There are a bunch of NATO countries who want nothing to do with Georgia,
mostly East European countries who really don't want Russia given any excuse
to mess with NATO members if provoked by one of them.
She knows it, the rest of NATO knows it, so do the people down at Foggy
Bottom. I fact the only people who can't work out that she means EXACTLY
what she said, and nothing more, is the US press who have been led by the
nose to a story that doesn't exist.
William Black
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I'm inclined to think that there are some people with brains in the
background.
He fought and won two national elections and has managed to stay in power
after a series of disastrous wars.
Raymond O'Hara
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>
>
"Or"? I'm pretty sure these two things are not mutually
exclusive.
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blackguard is refering to the chimpler.
Raymond O'Hara
"William Black" <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "Raymond O'Hara" <raymon...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:bfqdnc_EPZM0XDTV...@rcn.net...
>
>>
>> putin seems quite able to overplay his hand.
>
> No evidence of that so far.
> Indeed the only person who has overplayed his hand was the Boy George.
>
its one thing to surprise everybody by grabbing georgia.
everybody is paying attention now.
William Black
Do try and keep up Ray.
They haven't 'grabbed Georgia', they're starting to pull out after breaking
loads of stuff.
Raymond O'Hara
>
> "Raymond O'Hara" <raymon...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:UdSdnRC1HcdxdDTV...@rcn.net...
>>
>> "William Black" <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:g8cglt$5r9$1...@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>
>>> "Raymond O'Hara" <raymon...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:bfqdnc_EPZM0XDTV...@rcn.net...
>>>
>>>>
>>>> putin seems quite able to overplay his hand.
>>>
>>> No evidence of that so far.
>>> Indeed the only person who has overplayed his hand was the Boy George.
>>>
>>
>> its one thing to surprise everybody by grabbing georgia.
>> everybody is paying attention now.
>>
>
> Do try and keep up Ray.
>
> They haven't 'grabbed Georgia', they're starting to pull out after
> breaking loads of stuff.
>
> --
> William Black
so they claim. things there aren't over by a long shot
Fred J. McCall
My question had nothing to do with your original post.
My question was why include PART of the link in the quote? If a quote
doesn't contain a working link, why bother to include the link at all?
Dennis
>>> "Georgia will be in NATO if it wants and Georgia actually wants it!"
>>> - said Chancellor of Germany Ms. Merkel during her today's visit in
>>> Georgia.
> Read what she actually said.
>
> There are a bunch of NATO countries who want nothing to do with
> Georgia, mostly East European countries who really don't want Russia
> given any excuse to mess with NATO members if provoked by one of them.
>
> She knows it, the rest of NATO knows it, so do the people down at
> Foggy Bottom. I fact the only people who can't work out that she
> means EXACTLY what she said, and nothing more, is the US press who
> have been led by the nose to a story that doesn't exist.
Yup. If you read it carefully, literally, it doesn't really say
anything, but it vaguely sounds like Europe is willing to defend Georgia.
Who is her spinmeister?
Dennis
Dennis
> My question had nothing to do with your original post.
>
> My question was why include PART of the link in the quote? If a quote
> doesn't contain a working link, why bother to include the link at all?
Maybe he's the Missing Link! :-)
Dennis
Raymond O'Hara
"Fred J. McCall" <fmc...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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sometimes a news service will truncate a link in follow replies.
but we know you're not a newbie so its obvious you are just looking for a
flamefest.
William Black
"Dennis" <tsalag...@asus.net> wrote in message
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But it sounds like the standard 'management speak' you'll find in any large
organisation.
Andrew Swallow
After the attack on Georgia I can see some governments telling the
Russian passport holders to use the passports on their way out.
Andrew Swallow
Andrew Swallow
Yes. The West has now woken up, even if it is not yet ready to fight.
Andrew Swallow
Andrew Swallow
The day after is probably the most popular day for buying a burglar
alarm - burglars frequently come back to steal the new TV. Only
part of Georgia has been conquered.
Andrew Swallow
William Black
"Andrew Swallow" <am.sw...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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Realistically, not a chance.
Ken Chaddock
> <deem...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:feff1228-9711-4eed...@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 17, 8:25 pm, dumpst...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>>Russia 'distributing passports in the Crimea'
>>
>>See:
>>
>>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/2575421/Russ...
>>
>>Uh oh.
>
>
> I'm pretty sure the Ukraine is a bit tougher than Georgia....and
> would get quite a bit more help.
>
> -------------------
>
> While an alliance with Georgia was some sort of US aberration there's a
> serious faction within the EC that wants The Ukraine in the EC as soon as is
> possible.
>
> There are complex internal political reasons why, mainly to do with the UK
> and The Netherlands wanting to upset German plans, but some sort of effort
> on behalf of The Ukraine by the Europeans is far more likely than a decision
> to commit collective suicide over Georgia.
>
> For a start The Ukraine has something to offer in the way of wheat
> production in these days of spiralling food prices.
I was under the impression that the EU was pretty interested in the
natural gas pipeling across Georgia as a means of reducing their
reliance on Russian natural gas...and vulnerability that comes with that
reliance...
...Ken
Ken Chaddock
Well, it would be "interesting" to see if Russia would try to keep
troops in Georgia if Georgia were part of NATO...
...Ken
William Black
"Ken Chaddock" <chad...@hfx.eastlink.ca> wrote in message
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They are, but they're not going to include a country that doesn't have a
land border with another country or free access to major shipping lanes.
Ken Chaddock
Seems they have a land border with NATO member Turkey...which could
lead to a fairly secure pipeline extension across Turkey to the
Med...good for Turkey, good for Georgia, good for the EU...bad for
Russia. I've read some speculation that cutting this pipeline was one of
Russia's major objectives in this action...
It would be a lot more dangerous for Russia if Georgia were a NATO and
EU member.
...Ken
Jim Yanik
who really believes Europe would go to war with RUSSIA if they attacked a
NATO Georgia? (certainly not Russia...)
How naive.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
Jim Yanik
> William Black wrote:
>
>> <deem...@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:feff1228-9711-4eed...@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com
Europe and NATO's days are numbered....
Europe doesn't even have much of a military these days,certainly not enough
for their own defense.
Jim Yanik
> William Black wrote:
>
>> "Ken Chaddock" <chad...@hfx.eastlink.ca> wrote in message
>> news:4OZuk.11927$%b7.8670@edtnps82...
>>
>>>William Black wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>><deem...@aol.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:feff1228-9711-4eed...@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.co
Not really.
BF Lake
> Well, it would be "interesting" to see if Russia would try to keep
> troops in Georgia if Georgia were part of NATO...
Define "Georgia"
Are we accepting the boundaries of the former Georgian SSR? Who invented
those? What happened to the Transcaucasian SFSR of 1919-29? Who invented
that? In 1914 it was all part of Russia after various "acquisitions"
between 1801 and 1878. How legitimate are those acquisitions? What were the
boundaries of what in1799? Do we accept those?
Observe the Germans vs the Allies trying to get Baku and the way to it in
WW1 and 2. Brits in Iraq etc. But that is in former Azerbaidzhan SSR which
seems to have been created about 1929. If you want to get Baku-Batumi
intact you have to do some more work on the "locals" who seem to have
inconvenient notions as to who belongs to whom. How much attention should
we pay to the various locals anyway?
Regards.
Barry
William Black
"Jim Yanik" <jya...@abuse.gov> wrote in message
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> Europe and NATO's days are numbered....
> Europe doesn't even have much of a military these days,certainly not
> enough
> for their own defense.
You've been spouting this nonsense since GW2.
We're still here...
William Black
> Seems they have a land border with NATO member Turkey...
Don't confuse NATO with the EU.
Turkey has less chance of EU membership that The Ukraine at the moment.
Ken Chaddock
Those are very good questions and I suppose the answers depends upon
where you sit though I would propose that the boundaries of Georgia that
were accepted by the international community with Georgia gaining UN
membership on 31 July 1992 would be the first place to start...
...Ken