Did you know that the Russians held a major military exercise just north of Georgia in July?
Jack Linthicum
of Georgia in July.
August 17, 2008
Military Analysis
Russians Melded Old-School Blitz With Modern Military Tactics
By THOM SHANKER
WASHINGTON — Russia’s victorious military blitz into the former Soviet
republic of Georgia brought something old and something new — but none
of it was impromptu, despite appearances that a long-frozen conflict
had suddenly turned hot.
The Russian military borrowed a page from classic Soviet-era doctrine:
Moscow’s commanders sent an absolutely overwhelming force into
Georgia. It was never going to be an even fight, and the outcome was
predictable, if not preordained.
At the same time, the Russian military picked up what is new from the
latest in military thinking, including American military writings
about the art of war, replete with the hard-learned lessons of Iraq
and Afghanistan.
So along with the old-school onslaught of infantry, armor and
artillery, Russia mounted joint air and naval operations, appeared to
launch simultaneous cyberattacks on Georgian government Web sites and
had its best English speakers at the ready to make Moscow’s case in
television appearances.
If the rapidly unfolding events caught much of the world off guard,
that kind of coordination of the old and the new did not look
accidental to military professionals.
“They seem to have harnessed all their instruments of national power —
military, diplomatic, information — in a very disciplined way,” said
one Pentagon official, who like others interviewed for this article
disclosed details of the operation under ground rules that called for
anonymity. “It appears this was well thought out and planned in
advance, and suggests a level of coordination in the Russian
government between the military and the other civilian agencies and
departments that we are striving for today.”
In fact, Pentagon and military officials say Russia held a major
ground exercise in July just north of Georgia’s border, called
Caucasus 2008, that played out a chain of events like the one carried
out over recent days.<more>
and in Ukraine a nervousness
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/17/world/europe/17ukraine.html?scp=2&sq=russia%20blitz&st=cse
Jack Linthicum
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> and in Ukraine a nervousness
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and
The exercise was called Caucasus FRONTIER 2008
http://en.rian.ru/world/20080715/114038236.html
http://en.rian.ru/russia/20080705/113174665.html
Arved Sandstrom
news:264ed375-7151-4ed5...@w7g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
By some coincidence Russia held a major military exercise just north
of Georgia in July.
[ SNIP ]
Just what I pointed out in another thread, that this Russian
"counter-attack" was no spontaneous effort cobbled together in a day or two
using just units stationed in routine peacetime locations. They had
everything in place, and then stepped up the ongoing provocations. The
Russians knew that Saakashvili was going to snap sooner or later...failing
that, they might eventually have engineering something.
AHS
Jack Linthicum
wrote:
> "Jack Linthicum" <jacklinthi...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
Maybe they had advance warning of his intentions. It certainly doesn't
argue for any sense on the part of the Georgians. They must have known
about the exercise, it was in the papers and other media. If I were
the Ukrainian government I would be very wary.
Raymond O'Hara
>
> Maybe they had advance warning of his intentions. It certainly doesn't
> argue for any sense on the part of the Georgians. They must have known
> about the exercise, it was in the papers and other media. If I were
> the Ukrainian government I would be very wary.
every former iron curtin country is worried.
george
Jack Linthicum wrote:
> By some coincidence Russia held a major military exercise just north
> of Georgia in July.
>
Doesn't it ever occur to the media that the military is -always
exercising and training.
It seems odd that some-one would post such information into a military
group as if it as something extraordinary for the military to do.
Jim Yanik
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> "Jack Linthicum" <jackli...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:264ed375-7151-4ed5...@w7g2000hsa.googlegroups.com..
> . By some coincidence Russia held a major military exercise just north
> of Georgia in July.
>
> [ SNIP ]
>
> Just what I pointed out in another thread, that this Russian
> "counter-attack" was no spontaneous effort cobbled together in a day
> or two using just units stationed in routine peacetime locations. They
> had everything in place, and then stepped up the ongoing provocations.
> The Russians knew that Saakashvili was going to snap sooner or
> later...failing that, they might eventually have engineering
> something.
>
> AHS
>
>
I've read that Russian cyberattacks on Georgia began a week before any
shooting started.
Also that the "S.Ossetians"(Russkis) began it by firing mortars and shells
at some Georgian city nearby.
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net
Jack Linthicum
Spend more time on that idea, check out the PR releases on the
subject, realize that an army spends most of its time in garrison with
the sort of exercise that involve people walking around. It's called
marching. You have just demonstrated that you were never in any
military of any kind.
William Black
"Jim Yanik" <jya...@abuse.gov> wrote in message
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First reported loss of life by anyone seems to have a been about a dozen
Russian peacekeepers.
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
Tiger
> By some coincidence Russia held a major military exercise just north
> of Georgia in July.
>
>
> August 17, 2008
> Military Analysis
> Russians Melded Old-School Blitz With Modern Military Tactics
> By THOM SHANKER
>
The adage "train like you fight & fight like you train" seems to have
paid off for the vodka drinkers.
Jack Linthicum
Plus the usual military idea that the best way to conduct a surprise
attack is to start as an exercise and then transition into the real
thing. I would love to read the President's Daily Brief for July.
Tiger
I would think intel on that region is not high priority with all the Mid
east & near east stuff to watch. We have spent 15 years telling the
intel types to focus elsewhere.
Jack Linthicum
We have inherited a large number of Georgians, look at who is
representing Georgia in the Olympics, and I would assume Ukraine as
well. Good people know how to get to know those people and find out
where their Uncle Yuri works. Same in Iran if anybody tries.
george
wrote:
> Spend more time on that idea, check out the PR releases on the
> subject, realize that an army spends most of its time in garrison with
> the sort of exercise that involve people walking around. It's called
> marching. You have just demonstrated that you were never in any
> military of any kind.
Riiiight.
The Andrew isn't really renowned for its marching
So what ever military unit you claim to have been in never exercised ?
Jack Linthicum
Navy OCS, it is one of those things the Navy thinks builds character.
Better than ROTC and worlds better than Annapolis. What is an Andrew?
William Black
> Better than ROTC and worlds better than Annapolis. What is an Andrew?
"The Andrew" : Slang term for the Royal Navy
george
wrote:
> Navy OCS, it is one of those things the Navy thinks builds character.
> Better than ROTC and worlds better than Annapolis. What is an Andrew?
The Andrew.
If you wish to get into a slanging match as to service and services
I'd advise you to think before you presume to question anything/any-
one about another countries Armed Forces.
The Andrew is a slang term used by sprogs and matelots as a term for
The Royal (and Commonwealth) Navies.
Jack Linthicum
Whee, and you always were exercising at sea, never just doing the
diddies and marching to improve your souls?
Vincent
Royal Navy's nickname
The origin of the Royal Navy’s nickname is obscure; some sources,
including the Admiralty Manual of Seamanship, say that it derives from
one Andrew Miller, a zealous officer of the Impress Service during the
French Revolutionary and Napoleonic Wars, who ‘recruited’ so many men to
His Majesty's ships that the navy was said to belong to him.
Earlier (19th century) sources variously suggest that Andrew was a slang
name for a man o' war, that Andrew Miller was a supplier of provisions
to the Royal Navy, with such an apparent monopoly that he was said to
own the Navy, or that the Press Service officer was named Andrew Walker.
The most reliable list of Royal Navy officers does not mention either an
Andrew Miller or an Andrew Walker.
What is certain, however, is that the Royal Navy continues to be known
as the Andrew, and that there is no absolutely conclusive answer to the
derivation of the nickname.
http://www.nmm.ac.uk/server/show/conWebDoc.17840
Vince
Jack Linthicum
I must confess that was the inventor of the Ten Count Marching Manual
while on penalty tour one Saturday. Drove the ROTC clown who
volunteered for the duty crazy.
frank
And part is we're stretched thin. Russia does another exercise, its
put in a folder and ignored.
I don't think a lot of the President's Daily Briefs get declassified.
Part is the general sources and methods that are used as a catchall to
keep it from being released. Part is executive privelege.
I'd bet, if its like a lot of other product, to be pretty droll. The
Internet and a few good newspapers are just as good, except for that 5
or 10% that is really meaty. You'd be surprised how much intel
literally is Japan Times said Saturday that .......
Richard Casady
wrote:
>Riiiight.
>The Andrew isn't really renowned for its marching
>So what ever military unit you claim to have been in never exercised ?
United States Air Force, in the sixties. There were fitness standards
but they were not much and they were mostly pretty lax about the whole
thing. Many also drank like fish, which is not true today. They had
one parade a month for the months crop pf retirees. I got stuck with
that just once. I wore spit shined cowboy boots. The pilots all wore
Wellingtons, which were non reg. Spit shines were non reg. If you
wanted to take the time nobody would do anything, but non reg meant
that nobody could make anyone do it. Very few did.
Casady
george
wrote:
We did all the square bashing in the first six weeks of service
(Training Division) and then went on to branch training before we got
a draft...