Re: The gun goofball philosophy ;-)
Scout
> In message <UtfYm.68568$Wd1....@newsfe15.iad>, Scout
> <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> writes
>> Paul J. Adam wrote:
>>> Rifle L85A2 these days, which won't teach you how to care for and
>>> feed an illegally-sourced Eastern European handgun.
>>
>> So tell me are all British so stupid that already knowing basically
>> how a gun functions, they can't figure the rest of it out on a new
>> gun in a short period of time. Certainly doesn't sound like you hold
>> your countrymen in too high a reguard but seem to consider them just
>> a bit better than mindless drooling morons.
>
> As far as firearms are concerned... yep, that's about right. Most
> people have no contact at all with firearms, and seem to prefer it
> that way. The numbers who actually have experience, are small.
>
>>> Nope. Armed police are a select subgroup, most police officers have
>>> no contact with firearms.
>>
>> Sorry, but your assertions have no value anymore. You're going to
>> have to prove them from now on. As I simply refuse to constantly
>> check them simply to find out that you're wrong once again.
>
> (meaning, Scout keeps making shit up and getting caught)
Sorry, Paul, failed to check the attributes. Thought this was the worthless
William Black.
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2004/nov/04/ukguns.ukcrime
>
> "On top of the 400 SO19 officers, another 2,000 or so are licensed to
> carry weapons for guard and other duties."
Licensed to carry....doesn't say anything about how many were trained or
fired a gun at some point during their training.
> That's out of a force of 14,000 or so police officers, plus special
> constables and PCSOs. Most UK police don't touch weapons. Most don't
> want to.
>
> http://www.met.police.uk/foi/pdfs/other_information/archive/2004/so19_int
> roduction.pdf
>
> gives you more details.
Sorry, all you've shown is that few are permitted to carry guns. Says
nothing about how many have trained with guns.
>>> Why do you call your getting caught in an untruth "evasion"? Can you
>>> please try sticking to the facts rather than reciting rubbish?
>>
>> Sorry, but I didn't claim to know the training requirements of your
>> police force,
>
> You claim most officers receive firearms training. This is false.
No, I suggest you read my comment again.
>> nor have you show that it's not true. Given all the assertions you've
>> made which I've found to be false to fact,
>
> Total... none.
>
> Scout, you keep making shit up, demanding that someone prove it false,
> then squealing that it's not fair when they do. It's getting tiresome.
Well, if I actually make a claim, then I will try to back it up. However,
just because I express and opinion doesn't mean it has to be backed up, and
I'm perfectly willing to allow you to show me that my opinion is mistaken.
In fact, to set matters straight let's check to see what I actually said:
"Sure, but I bet they still have to learn how to shoot, even though they
don't regularly carry."
Now how is that anything other than an expression of personal opinion?
It's certainly not a claim of anything more than my belief that British
police still have to learn how to shoot, and that I'm willing to make a bet
to that effect.
So, you're reading a whole lot more into it than what was said, since the
only claim is that I would bet that my opinion is right. That's it. That's
the only claim being made.
So who is making shit up?
Not me.
Fred J. McCall
:
:Licensed to carry....doesn't say anything about how many were trained or
:fired a gun at some point during their training.
:
"As of 2005, around seven per cent of officers in London are trained
in the use of firearms."
"On 24 August 1985 John Shorthouse aged 5 was shot dead in a police
raid on his home in Birmingham. The incident produced hostility
towards the police over two days after John's death when a policewoman
was dragged from her patrol car and beaten by youths. PC Brian
Chester, stood trial for manslaughter but was acquitted. Following the
Shorthouse case, West Midlands police abandoned its practice of
training rank-and-file officers for firearms duties and formed a
specialist squad."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_use_of_firearms_in_the_United_Kingdom
:
:Sorry, all you've shown is that few are permitted to carry guns. Says
:nothing about how many have trained with guns.
:
See above. In London it's 7%. That would be like NYC or LA only
having 7% of their officers trained with firearms.
:
:In fact, to set matters straight let's check to see what I actually said:
:
:"Sure, but I bet they still have to learn how to shoot, even though they
:don't regularly carry."
:
:Now how is that anything other than an expression of personal opinion?
:
It's wrong. They aren't.
:
:It's certainly not a claim of anything more than my belief that British
:police still have to learn how to shoot, and that I'm willing to make a bet
:to that effect.
:
You lose. The figure is 7% for all of London.
:
:So, you're reading a whole lot more into it than what was said, since the
:only claim is that I would bet that my opinion is right. That's it. That's
:the only claim being made.
:
How is stating an opinion and then claiming it is correct any
different than simply claiming something? This is a difference that
it would appear makes no difference.
:
:So who is making shit up?
:
Scoot, SappyIsMe, and Wee Willie Black.
--
"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the
soul with evil."
-- Socrates
William Black
Well in this instance you're defending me.
Which is a nice change, I think...
--
William Black
"Any number under six"
The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat
single handed with a quarterstaff.
Andrew Chaplin
news:hhg8s5$g2k$9...@news.eternal-september.org:
Sometimes, it doesn't matter if you arm them, train them or not.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2009/12/30/officer-killed-suspect-
court.html
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)
La N
> http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2009/12/30/officer-killed-suspect-
> court.html
This has made news across Canada. How terribly sad, especially for
fellow/sister Mounties who try to make sense of sh*t like this.
- nilita
Fred J. McCall
:
I defend the facts, Willie. That leaves me on your side in the
minority of cases, but here you seem to have hooked a real idiot.
--
"The odds get even - You blame the game.
The odds get even - The stakes are the same.
You bet your life."
-- "You Bet Your Life", Rush
Scout
> "Scout" <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Licensed to carry....doesn't say anything about how many were
>> trained or fired a gun at some point during their training.
>>
>
> "As of 2005, around seven per cent of officers in London are trained
> in the use of firearms."
Better, however this still doesn't establish they haven't shot a gun, much
less touched one in the course of their duties. After all, I suspect that
pretty much every cop is going to have a gun demonstrated to them, given
hands on demonstrations of how to clear and secure firearms that they might
come upon in the course of their duties. So while only a few are certified
as trained that's still a long way from saying they have never fired a gun,
held a gun or touched a gun in the course of their duties.
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