Totally OT religious rubbish
Alan Lothian
word, which simply translates as "service", still makes me uneasy. But
I live in "Rue du Temple", so I walked up the hill to the "Temple".
Congregation of 8, including me, plus M. le Pasteur. This in what was
once a hotbed of French Protestantism. Much cheek-kissing and wishing
of Happy New Year.
Le Pasteur shows up with a guitar. I think, O God, happy-clappy Church
of England stuff: I'm outta here.
Not so. He is the music. "We will now sing 151 from the hymnal",
unships his guitar and gets to playing the tune. Later, he asks me if I
can play the organ, which sadly is beyond my ability. Extremely "sympa"
chap, who turns out to be Belgian with an African wife. My little town
in France (and I am beginning to feel quite proprietorial) is NOT
normal.
Very, very strange experience. Staggered me into putting 5 euros into
the collection box, and most of you know what a miserable Scotch bugger
I am. Five whole euros, in folding money.
Nice people though. Quite good sermon, too, and all over in 40 minutes,
which beats an Armenian High Mass by two hours.
Of no relevance whatsoever to smn. Hmm, I am a man not without
imagination. Rig for Church. There, you see: a little ingenuity and
back on-topic.
--
"The past resembles the future as water resembles water" -- Ibn Khaldun
If you wish to email me, try putting a dot between alan and lothian.
Blueyonder is a thing of the past.
Eugene Griessel
wrote:
>Well, finally made it to the Eglise Protestante, for la Culte. That
>word, which simply translates as "service", still makes me uneasy. But
>I live in "Rue du Temple", so I walked up the hill to the "Temple".
>
>
>Congregation of 8, including me, plus M. le Pasteur. This in what was
>once a hotbed of French Protestantism. Much cheek-kissing and wishing
>of Happy New Year.
>
>Le Pasteur shows up with a guitar. I think, O God, happy-clappy Church
>of England stuff: I'm outta here.
>
>Not so. He is the music. "We will now sing 151 from the hymnal",
>unships his guitar and gets to playing the tune. Later, he asks me if I
>can play the organ, which sadly is beyond my ability. Extremely "sympa"
>chap, who turns out to be Belgian with an African wife. My little town
>in France (and I am beginning to feel quite proprietorial) is NOT
>normal.
>
>Very, very strange experience. Staggered me into putting 5 euros into
>the collection box, and most of you know what a miserable Scotch bugger
>I am. Five whole euros, in folding money.
>Nice people though. Quite good sermon, too, and all over in 40 minutes,
>which beats an Armenian High Mass by two hours.
>
>Of no relevance whatsoever to smn. Hmm, I am a man not without
>imagination. Rig for Church. There, you see: a little ingenuity and
>back on-topic.
Thank God I'm an atheist - don't have to go through all that.
Although the local branch of the Jehovah's Witnesses have taken to
sending around pairs of barely pubescent wenches to convert the fallen
(ie: me) I have so far managed to keep my Watchtower in check. Have a
nice Mormon family down the road with two young daughters but they
refuse to hand them over as wives so no go on that front either.
Eugene L Griessel
Willoughby's Law:
When you try to prove to the repairman
that the machine won't work, it will.
- I post only from Sci.Military.Naval -
La N
>
> Although the local branch of the Jehovah's Witnesses have taken to
> sending around pairs of barely pubescent wenches to convert the fallen
> (ie: me) I have so far managed to keep my Watchtower in check. Have a
> nice Mormon family down the road with two young daughters but they
> refuse to hand them over as wives so no go on that front either.
>
An annual Jehovah's Witness Convention is held in my city, and it is an
occasion (I kid you not!) for young atheist/agnostic men, definitely non-JW,
to dress up in suit and ties and sit through the otherwise boring meetings
in the hopes of picking up one of the young JW girls who have a rep for
being very pretty and maybe "available"?
- nilita
Eugene Griessel
wrote:
They do seem to have a superfluity of nubile, moist, young
teenyboppers amongst their recruiting forces these days.
Whether they are "easy" or not, I have not ascertained as I have a
zero tolerance policy toward any religious organisation that does door
to door recruitment early on Sunday mornings. (Basically I invite
them to to insert their religious literature vertically into
unmentionable orifices and hightail it out of here afore I unleash my
killer rottweilers. Or this ancient fowling piece accidently
discharges in their general direction. I have yet to try the Billy
Connolly method of disuasion - but hope to give it a bash some day.)
I once very effectively dispersed some of them, albeit unwittingly. I
was under my car doing something fundamental - I forget what - but was
in the act of describing, loudly, the probable provenance of a piece
of machinery, the lack of marital status amongst the parents of the
designers and my general views on motor car designers and their
kinship to Satan and all his hellions when I espied two pairs of
shoes. I slid out and and confronted two rather shocked looking JW
who hastily declared they could see I was busy and beat an undignified
retreat in the general direction of away. They obviously enlarged
their vocabulary that day! (And probably learned some new and
interesting sexual stuff too!)
Eugene L Griessel
There is properly no history; only biography.
- Ralph Waldo Emerson
La N
> On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:27:27 GMT, "La N" <nilita20...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> They do seem to have a superfluity of nubile, moist, young
> teenyboppers amongst their recruiting forces these days.
> Whether they are "easy" or not, I have not ascertained as I have a
> zero tolerance policy toward any religious organisation that does door
> to door recruitment early on Sunday mornings.
Heheheh ...you so funny, Eugene.
btw, I'm finding myself tired lately having to defend Christianity (which is
what I was raised in) because there are so few "Christians" who act as JC
would want them to be. Actually, I think Jesus H. Christ would be appalled
to have such a religion named after him.
- nilita
j...@cix.compulink.co.uk
eug...@dynagen.co.za (Eugene Griessel) wrote:
> have not ascertained as I have a zero tolerance policy toward any
> religious organisation that does door to door recruitment early on
> Sunday mornings.
After the same pair of JWs rang my doorbell at 08:00 on Saturday and
Sunday of the same weekend (they didn't mean to, they just couldn't read
their own clipboard) I wrote to JW HQ UK using words like "harassment".
They wrote to the local nest telling them to leave me alone, and sent me
a letter apologising, admitting that the system was imperfect, and
advising me to keep the letter to show to any subsequent visitors as
proof. It worked fine.
The other way to get them to stay away is to look sad and say "We're
disfellowshipped", which is JW jargon for "We've been thrown out of the
church, and church members may not associate with us." It has to be
"we", as not being a family makes it non-credible to JWs.
--
John Dallman, j...@cix.co.uk, HTML mail is treated as probable spam.
Eugene Griessel
wrote:
Any prophet who starts a religious movement would be appalled to see
what the disciples have done with it.
Eugene L Griessel
Is it not rather malicious that 'dyslexia' is so hard to spell?
Jack Linthicum
> On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:27:27 GMT, "La N" <nilita2004NOS...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >Eugene Griessel wrote:
> >> On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:44:07 +0100, Alan Lothian <alanloth...@mac.com>
The street I lived on for 20 years or so had Mormons, people who had a
religion of the month, some of the noisier Friday night types and us
poor Methodists. Even the Methodists were a travail, my mother was in
the hospital, one of the ministers came there to do his dutiful
rounds. After he had seen mother he went off and the hospital moved
her to another room, which the minister soon visited as if this was
someone new. Killed me for the game.
Eugene Griessel
wrote:
I have been meaning to ask - when you join the Mennonites don't you
get a free tractor? Or is it some other group I'm thinking of?
I might consdier the Amish - they tell me they do great pies.
Eugene L Griessel
I Refuse To Have A Battle Of Wits With An Unarmed Person
La N
> On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 21:16:55 GMT, "La N" <nilita20...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Eugene Griessel wrote:
>>> On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:27:27 GMT, "La N"
>>> <nilita20...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>> They do seem to have a superfluity of nubile, moist, young
>>> teenyboppers amongst their recruiting forces these days.
>>> Whether they are "easy" or not, I have not ascertained as I have a
>>> zero tolerance policy toward any religious organisation that does
>>> door to door recruitment early on Sunday mornings.
>>
>> Heheheh ...you so funny, Eugene.
>>
>> btw, I'm finding myself tired lately having to defend Christianity
>> (which is what I was raised in) because there are so few
>> "Christians" who act as JC would want them to be. Actually, I think
>> Jesus H. Christ would be appalled to have such a religion named
>> after him.
>
> Any prophet who starts a religious movement would be appalled to see
> what the disciples have done with it.
>
I don't even think JC wanted to start a movement. He was just encouraging
people to be like "Him" - nonjudgmental, peace-loving, giving unto others,
Golden Rule stuff, etc. etc. etc. If I were an agnostic introduced to
Christianity nowadays, based on the actions of so many "Christians", I'd
say, "Take your religion and f* off!"
- nilita, admittedly herself one of the least perfect Christians she knows
...
La N
> get a free tractor? >
That's true. But, I was a citified Mennonite of the "Mennonite Brethren"
branch. The fundy Mennonites are actually very good caring people who
travel far afield to help out in natural disaster. Many many years ago when
I worked in the public library whilst attending high school, our city had a
major flood, the Columbia River having busted over the banks. Mennonites
came from the Prairies in droves to help with the clean-up. One old
Mennonite gentleman came through the Library, handed me a tract, and said,
"Sister, you may be wanting to read this." It was all about Satan's Tool -
Television.
- nilita
Eugene Griessel
wrote:
>Eugene Griessel wrote:
I partially agree with him on that point although I decry the
denigration of poor old Satan. No way he could have gotten THAT evil.
Eugene L Griessel
Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites.
Moderation is for monks.
La N
> On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 21:31:50 GMT, "La N" <nilita20...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Eugene Griessel wrote:
>>> On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 21:16:55 GMT, "La N"
>>> <nilita20...@yahoo.com>
>>>
>>> I have been meaning to ask - when you join the Mennonites don't you
>>> get a free tractor? >
>>
>> That's true. But, I was a citified Mennonite of the "Mennonite
>> Brethren" branch. The fundy Mennonites are actually very good
>> caring people who travel far afield to help out in natural disaster.
>> Many many years ago when I worked in the public library whilst
>> attending high school, our city had a major flood, the Columbia
>> River having busted over the banks. Mennonites came from the
>> Prairies in droves to help with the clean-up. One old Mennonite
>> gentleman came through the Library, handed me a tract, and said,
>> "Sister, you may be wanting to read this." It was all about Satan's
>> Tool - Television.
>
> I partially agree with him on that point although I decry the
> denigration of poor old Satan. No way he could have gotten THAT evil.
>
Coronation Street isn't too bad ....
Anyway, I should get back to Church and invite you as a member, then I could
call you Brother Eugene. In my congregation dancing, cards, and movies were
a no-no, and we passed the plate on Sunday to support a missionary, "Miss
Margaret" in the Congo. I'm sure they've relaxed the rules since then, and
I think Miss Margaret has since been cooked up in a stewpot and eaten (oh
I'm going to go to hell for that remark, for sure).
- nilita, who was proud to consistently be a Sword Drill winner in Sunday
Chapel ...
- nilita
Eugene Griessel
wrote:
Well, there goes strip-tease, strip-poker and porn. What in hell did
you lot do to keep amused?
>Margaret" in the Congo. I'm sure they've relaxed the rules since then, and
>I think Miss Margaret has since been cooked up in a stewpot and eaten (oh
>I'm going to go to hell for that remark, for sure).
I'm appalled at that Eurocentric racist remark. We cook our
missionaries in micro-waves these days! Progress!
In my distant youth I knew a French missionary doctor who escaped from
the Congo by the skin of his teeth. Had some not-nice stories to
tell - especially as to the events that had taken place at a nearby
convent - with horrifyingly gory slides to illustrate them. Ah well,
it's Africa - always something exciting!
Strangely enough I knew a fair number of mercenaries who fought in the
Congo, both in 1960 and in 1964 (bit unsure of the dates there) with
old Mad Mike Hoare. My school PT teacher was one!
Eugene L Griessel
People who think chess is a wimpy sport have never been hit over
the head with a solid marble chessboard.
La N
Once upon a time, pious child that I was, I thought that I'd like to one day
be a missionary in The Congo. Good thing I outgrew that phase. My Sunday
School teacher was a nurse who ended up being a missionary in Peru. You
know? I have only fond memories of those days and the people in the
congregation.
- nilita
Jack Linthicum
> > wrote:
>
> >> Eugene Griessel wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 21:31:50 GMT, "La N"
>
> >>>> Eugene Griessel wrote:
> >>>>> On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 21:16:55 GMT, "La N"
The heavies were the ones in China. You could look at people obviously
well-fed and extremely pious and then their slides of the poor
starving refugees and wonder at the dichotomy.
La N
That reminds me of one of my favourite writers of my childhood, Pearl Buck,
especially "The Good Earth".
- nilita
Eugene Griessel
<eug...@dynagen.co.za> wrote:
>On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 21:16:55 GMT, "La N" <nilita20...@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Eugene Griessel wrote:
>>> On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:27:27 GMT, "La N" <nilita20...@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> They do seem to have a superfluity of nubile, moist, young
>>> teenyboppers amongst their recruiting forces these days.
>>> Whether they are "easy" or not, I have not ascertained as I have a
>>> zero tolerance policy toward any religious organisation that does door
>>> to door recruitment early on Sunday mornings.
>>
>>Heheheh ...you so funny, Eugene.
>>
>>btw, I'm finding myself tired lately having to defend Christianity (which is
>>what I was raised in) because there are so few "Christians" who act as JC
>>would want them to be. Actually, I think Jesus H. Christ would be appalled
>>to have such a religion named after him.
>
>I have been meaning to ask - when you join the Mennonites don't you
>get a free tractor? Or is it some other group I'm thinking of?
>I might consdier the Amish - they tell me they do great pies.
>
My apologies - it was the Hutterites who doled out the free tractors.
Went and unearthed the aged schoolbook which inculcated the thought -
will send you a scan by email. Have decided to join the Doukhobors
(sp?) - don't they run around naked and commit arson? Sounds like a
real fun party and the best going this side of Baghdad.
Eugene L Griessel
I believe in compulsory cannibalism. If people were forced to eat
what they killed, there would be no more wars.'
La N
> On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 23:24:53 +0200, Eugene Griessel
>>
>
> Went and unearthed the aged schoolbook which inculcated the thought -
> will send you a scan by email. Have decided to join the Doukhobors
> (sp?) - don't they run around naked and commit arson? Sounds like a
> real fun party and the best going this side of Baghdad.
>
Yup, the Doukhobors are in my neck of the woods. It was the Sons of Freedom
sect of the Douks that bombed and set fire to buildings, monuments, etc. I
witnessed acts of terrorism (or rather the aftermath) in my own childhood.
The women Freedomites were especially vicious.
- nilita
La N
btw, here would be a typical Mennonite congregation that I attended:
http://ncculturaltrails.org/Portals/1/web%20images/HVMennonites_Jesus.jpg
And, here is a typical Mennonite in the next province over, Alberta:
http://krlphotography.typepad.com/photos/all_my_favorites/mennonite1.jpg
Here's a 1962 news audio clip of a Sons of Freedom bombing just up the river
from our house:
http://archives.cbc.ca/war_conflict/civil_unrest/clips/13097/
Listen to it; it will remind you, as you said, of Baghdad.
- nilita
Richard Casady
<eug...@dynagen.co.za> wrote:
>Any prophet who starts a religious movement would be appalled to see
>what the disciples have done with it.
There was Hubbard, but he wasn't exactly a prophet. More like a gonif.
Casady
Andrew Chaplin
alanl...@mac.com:
> Well, finally made it to the Eglise Protestante, for la Culte. That
> word, which simply translates as "service", still makes me uneasy. But
> I live in "Rue du Temple", so I walked up the hill to the "Temple".
>
>
> Congregation of 8, including me, plus M. le Pasteur. This in what was
> once a hotbed of French Protestantism. Much cheek-kissing and wishing
> of Happy New Year.
This thread should have been, "And now for something completely different:
a church with eight communicants."
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)
Dennis
>>> btw, I'm finding myself tired lately having to defend Christianity
>>> (which is what I was raised in) because there are so few
>>> "Christians" who act as JC would want them to be. Actually, I think
>>> Jesus H. Christ would be appalled to have such a religion named
>>> after him.
>>
>> Any prophet who starts a religious movement would be appalled to see
>> what the disciples have done with it.
Typically the Founder says, "You're making it too damn complicated,
it's really very simple, just like this!" But a few generations later,
*his* followers have complicated things again! Buddha and Jesus are
obvious cases, Muhammad (pbuh) IMHO is another.
> I don't even think JC wanted to start a movement. He was just
> encouraging people to be like "Him" - nonjudgmental, peace-loving,
> giving unto others, Golden Rule stuff, etc. etc. etc. If I were an
> agnostic introduced to Christianity nowadays, based on the actions of
> so many "Christians", I'd say, "Take your religion and f* off!"
>
> - nilita, admittedly herself one of the least perfect Christians she
> knows ...
You're my kind of Christian, Nili!
Dennis
Dennis
> An annual Jehovah's Witness Convention is held in my city, and it is
> an occasion (I kid you not!) for young atheist/agnostic men,
> definitely non-JW, to dress up in suit and ties and sit through the
> otherwise boring meetings in the hopes of picking up one of the young
> JW girls who have a rep for being very pretty and maybe "available"?
Very interesting! Mind you, I've heard a few analogous claims made
about Southern Baptist chicks - which I don't believe.
I just read a book on maintaining personal privacy, and the author
recommends hiring Witnesses for janitors, saying they're very reliable and
cannot be corrupted into giving out private or confidential information -
and janitors are often the way this is effected.
Dennis
Alan Lothian
Chaplin <ab.ch...@yourfinger.rogers.com> wrote:
> Alan Lothian <alanl...@mac.com> wrote in news:030120102044071834%
> alanl...@mac.com:
>
> > Well, finally made it to the Eglise Protestante, for la Culte. That
> > word, which simply translates as "service", still makes me uneasy. But
> > I live in "Rue du Temple", so I walked up the hill to the "Temple".
> >
> >
> > Congregation of 8, including me, plus M. le Pasteur. This in what was
> > once a hotbed of French Protestantism. Much cheek-kissing and wishing
> > of Happy New Year.
>
> This thread should have been, "And now for something completely different:
> a church with eight communicants."
Andrew, Andrew. "When any two are gathered together in My name", and
all that. Jolly nice people, though. Quality over quantity any day.
Eugene Griessel
wrote:
>In article <Xns9CF5DABACA...@216.196.109.144>, Andrew
>Chaplin <ab.ch...@yourfinger.rogers.com> wrote:
>
>> Alan Lothian <alanl...@mac.com> wrote in news:030120102044071834%
>> alanl...@mac.com:
>>
>> > Well, finally made it to the Eglise Protestante, for la Culte. That
>> > word, which simply translates as "service", still makes me uneasy. But
>> > I live in "Rue du Temple", so I walked up the hill to the "Temple".
>> >
>> >
>> > Congregation of 8, including me, plus M. le Pasteur. This in what was
>> > once a hotbed of French Protestantism. Much cheek-kissing and wishing
>> > of Happy New Year.
>>
>> This thread should have been, "And now for something completely different:
>> a church with eight communicants."
>
>Andrew, Andrew. "When any two are gathered together in My name", and
>all that. Jolly nice people, though. Quality over quantity any day.
Reminds me of that Winton book where the submarine is being refitted
and the electrical engineer decides to attend a nearby church because
the vicar is an ex-submarine padre. And he and the three little old
lady congregation is harangued during the sermon on the subject of
"swearing on the messdecks".
Eugene L Griessel
Much as he is opposed to lawbreaking
He is not bigoted about it.
Alan Lothian
Griessel <eug...@dynagen.co.za> wrote:
>
> Reminds me of that Winton book where the submarine is being refitted
> and the electrical engineer decides to attend a nearby church because
> the vicar is an ex-submarine padre. And he and the three little old
> lady congregation is harangued during the sermon on the subject of
> "swearing on the messdecks".
Back when I lived in Britistan, my own Kirk was short of a minister for
quite a while. So we had a lot of visitors. The most impressive was a
(female) RN chaplain, about 5 feet tall, who preached on several
Sundays, complete with fouled anchors on her, hmm, robes. Some of our
more Presbyterian Presbyterians disapproved of such secular symbols,
but they rapidly learned to keep their opinions to themselves.
*Formidable* lady: no swearing on any messdecks near her, let me tell
you. We're not talking wimpy Church of England here. She'd have had you
triced up to the grating and read the Good Book in splendid cadence as
the bosun's mate took the flesh off your back. Bloody good preachist,
too. Certainly put the fear of God into me.
Alan Lothian
Griessel <eug...@dynagen.co.za> wrote:
> >
>
> Have decided to join the Doukhobors
> (sp?) - don't they run around naked and commit arson? Sounds like a
> real fun party and the best going this side of Baghdad.
I've been trying for years to remember that name. IIRC they started off
in the Ukraine, and the ones Stalin didn't kill all buggered off to
Canada. Again, IIRC, they have this endearing habit of burning all
their possessions every seven years, and since they are industrious
sort of chaps they have quite a lot of possessions. Well, at the end of
the seven-year cycle.
It's an excellent idea, though. Beware the tyranny of things. Burn the
lot. At least it stops your ex-wife from getting her hands on them.
And speaking of excellent ideas, let's have a whip-round and offer a
generous prize for the first on-topic post in months. Yes, I know I am
at least as bad as anyone else, but I face up to my sins.
dott.Piergiorgio
> Back when I lived in Britistan, my own Kirk was short of a minister for
> quite a while. So we had a lot of visitors. The most impressive was a
> (female) RN chaplain, about 5 feet tall, who preached on several
> Sundays, complete with fouled anchors on her, hmm, robes. Some of our
> more Presbyterian Presbyterians disapproved of such secular symbols,
> but they rapidly learned to keep their opinions to themselves.
fouled anchors ? meh, last time I checked, RN hasn't put rules on holy
vests[1] (aside that is theorically possibile, at least in Anglican
denomination, because RN and Anglican church shares the very top of the
repective command chains), but by a general & universal ritual garment
perspective, I must agree & concur with her fellow Pastors....(Perhaps
some Neopagan honouring Neptune/Poseidon can use this symbol as sign of
firmness & stoutness)
> *Formidable* lady: no swearing on any messdecks near her, let me tell
> you. We're not talking wimpy Church of England here. She'd have had you
> triced up to the grating and read the Good Book in splendid cadence as
> the bosun's mate took the flesh off your back. Bloody good preachist,
> too. Certainly put the fear of God into me.
uhm... UHM.... I wonder about her broad ecclesiastic preparation, esp.
on meaning of Symbols (not in the theological sense, see above...)
Best regards from Italy,
Dott. Piergiorgio.
Andrew Chaplin
news:k%F0n.76675$813....@tornado.fastwebnet.it:
> Alan Lothian ha scritto:
>
>> Back when I lived in Britistan, my own Kirk was short of a minister
>> for quite a while. So we had a lot of visitors. The most impressive
>> was a (female) RN chaplain, about 5 feet tall, who preached on
>> several Sundays, complete with fouled anchors on her, hmm, robes.
>> Some of our more Presbyterian Presbyterians disapproved of such
>> secular symbols, but they rapidly learned to keep their opinions to
>> themselves.
>
> fouled anchors ? meh, last time I checked, RN hasn't put rules on holy
> vests[1] (aside that is theorically possibile, at least in Anglican
> denomination, because RN and Anglican church shares the very top of
> the repective command chains), but by a general & universal ritual
> garment perspective, I must agree & concur with her fellow
> Pastors....(Perhaps some Neopagan honouring Neptune/Poseidon can use
> this symbol as sign of firmness & stoutness)
Typically in the Commonwealth the only pusser vestment is the stole, and
this is because it is the custom of the service to put its badge on
either end, e.g.:
http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/netpub/server.np?original=6434&site=
combatcamera&catalog=photos&download.
Peter Skelton
When you put up a long URL if you inclose it in <>, it will work
properly in newsreaders without repair.
Like this
If you remove the &download, it will display, rather than
downloading.
<http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/netpub/server.np?original=6434&site=combatcamera&catalog=photos>
(I dumped this on Andrew because
a) his stuff is worth looking at
&
b) he's smart enough not to get upset but remember)
Peter Skelton
Rich Johnson
>
> Strangely enough I knew a fair number of mercenaries who fought in the
> Congo, both in 1960 and in 1964 (bit unsure of the dates there) with
> old Mad Mike Hoare. My school PT teacher was one!
>
Colonel Hoare is a 3rd or 4th or distanter cousin of mine
Rich
Enfield NS
Canada
Eugene Griessel
Never met him - he was rumoured to be running a scrapyard in Durban in
the mid 1970's but I didn't bother going around. But in the Congo
troubles the SADF was pretty accomodating about giving soldiers leave
of absence without pay to go and join the mercenaries - which was seen
as a way of making a lot of money quickly. Most of the guys I knew
came back and quickly blew the cash on fast cars, booze and women -
and the rest they spent foolishly.
Eugene L Griessel
I want to die quietly in my sleep like my grandpa, not shouting
and screaming like the passengers in his car.
Rich Johnson
> On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 06:08:43 -0800 (PST), Rich Johnson
> <rwh.j...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Jan 3, 5:54 pm, Eugene Griessel <eug...@dynagen.co.za> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Strangely enough I knew a fair number of mercenaries who fought in the
>>> Congo, both in 1960 and in 1964 (bit unsure of the dates there) with
>>> old Mad Mike Hoare. My school PT teacher was one!
>>>
>>>
>>Colonel Hoare is a 3rd or 4th or distanter cousin of mine
>>
>>
> Never met him - he was rumoured to be running a scrapyard in Durban in
> the mid 1970's but I didn't bother going around. But in the Congo
> troubles the SADF was pretty accomodating about giving soldiers leave of
> absence without pay to go and join the mercenaries - which was seen as a
> way of making a lot of money quickly. Most of the guys I knew came back
> and quickly blew the cash on fast cars, booze and women - and the rest
> they spent foolishly.
>
>
I never met him either, but me mum told me that her and her sister always
jokingly worried that my cousin and I would run away to join him in some
foreign military adventure
Speaking of which, the bugger has his own web page
http://www.mikehoarebooks.com/
--
Rich
Enfield NS
Canada
Eugene Griessel
wrote:
>Speaking of which, the bugger has his own web page
>
>http://www.mikehoarebooks.com/
Gawd. I thought he would have been pushing up the Bellis perennis by
now! Wonder what the pension plan for mercenaries was like .....
Eugene L Griessel
- 'She lied to me about the size of her yacht and what's more, she
even made me do all the rowing.'
Alan Lothian
dott.Piergiorgio <dott.Pierg...@KAIGUN.fastwebnet.it> wrote:
> Alan Lothian ha scritto:
>
> > Back when I lived in Britistan, my own Kirk was short of a minister for
> > quite a while. So we had a lot of visitors. The most impressive was a
> > (female) RN chaplain, about 5 feet tall, who preached on several
> > Sundays, complete with fouled anchors on her, hmm, robes. Some of our
> > more Presbyterian Presbyterians disapproved of such secular symbols,
> > but they rapidly learned to keep their opinions to themselves.
>
> fouled anchors ? meh, last time I checked, RN hasn't put rules on holy
> vests[1]
What the lady wore, Pigi. And the fouled anchor has been an RN symbol
since Pontius was a pilot.
> (aside that is theorically possibile, at least in Anglican
> denomination, because RN and Anglican church shares the very top of the
> repective command chains)
The lady was a minister of the Kirk of Scotland. The head of that Kirk
is Jesus Christ, and no one else, which is why there were muttered
objections to her fouled anchors. Indeed, in a Church of Scotland
congregation, the Minister is merely the "Teaching Elder"; the other
Elders are the "Ruling Elders". This sort of Presbyterian stuff is very
hard for someone with a Catholic background (note, I do not presume to
describe your faith, mangiaprete would be my guess but only my guess)
to understand. Poor men stood at push of pike to defend it, too.
Historically, the Church (of Scotland) has been both a source of
domestic oppression and an absolutely stalwart opponent of oppressive
governments. Not, rpt not, simple. I do not pretend to understand it
all, but I remain proud to have become, late in life, a member. I'll
stand at push of pike, don't you worry. And I will never, under any
circumstances, try to stuff my religious beliefs in your face. To do so
would betray these beliefs horribly.
> , but by a general & universal ritual garment
> perspective, I must agree & concur with her fellow Pastors....(Perhaps
> some Neopagan honouring Neptune/Poseidon can use this symbol as sign of
> firmness & stoutness)
The firmness and stoutness comes from within yourself, by the grace and
help of God if you are as religious as I am. Which is, oddly, not very,
but thoroughly. It would take me 10,000 words to explain. I simply
cannot be doing with this silly pagan shit: daft wee lassies in Laura
Ashley dresses dancing widdershins round an organically-grown fire
intoning stuff to fantastical gods made up a couple of years back by
someone who sells amulets on the Internet. It's OK, Pigi, I am not
proposing to burn them as heretics. I just refuse to take them
seriously. I'm told they give good head, though, but I cannot speak
from personal experience.
>
> > *Formidable* lady: no swearing on any messdecks near her, let me tell
> > you. We're not talking wimpy Church of England here. She'd have had you
> > triced up to the grating and read the Good Book in splendid cadence as
> > the bosun's mate took the flesh off your back. Bloody good preachist,
> > too. Certainly put the fear of God into me.
>
> uhm... UHM.... I wonder about her broad ecclesiastic preparation, esp.
> on meaning of Symbols (not in the theological sense, see above...)
She had accepted a stipend from the RN. And she was a bloody good
preacher. Please note that the RN stuff makes this post at least
vaguely on-topic.
To help you understand, here is a classic Church of Scotland story. An
incoming minister is not imposed, but selected by the congregation,
effectively the Elders. So you will get would-be Ministers performing
what amounts to a job interview.
Young, would-be Minister to old Elder (yes I know that's a tautology,
but Elder has a very specific meaning, and they are not all old).
"Well, what did you think of my sermon, James?"
"Weel, there only three things wrang wi' it, Minister.
First, ye read it.
Second, ye read it badly
And third, it wisnae worth readin'"
I hope you can follow the simplified Scots.
Andrew Chaplin
> On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 07:03:08 -0600, Andrew Chaplin
>
>
>
>
>
> >"dott.Piergiorgio" <dott.PiergiorgioNI...@KAIGUN.fastwebnet.it> wrote in
> >news:k%F0n.76675$813....@tornado.fastwebnet.it:
>
> >> Alan Lothian ha scritto:
>
> >>> Back when I lived in Britistan, my own Kirk was short of a minister
> >>> for quite a while. So we had a lot of visitors. The most impressive
> >>> was a (female) RN chaplain, about 5 feet tall, who preached on
> >>> several Sundays, complete with fouled anchors on her, hmm, robes.
> >>> Some of our more Presbyterian Presbyterians disapproved of such
> >>> secular symbols, but they rapidly learned to keep their opinions to
> >>> themselves.
>
> >> fouled anchors ? meh, last time I checked, RN hasn't put rules on holy
> >> vests[1] (aside that is theorically possibile, at least in Anglican
> >> denomination, because RN and Anglican church shares the very top of
> >> the repective command chains), but by a general & universal ritual
> >> garment perspective, I must agree & concur with her fellow
> >> Pastors....(Perhaps some Neopagan honouring Neptune/Poseidon can use
> >> this symbol as sign of firmness & stoutness)
>
> >Typically in the Commonwealth the only pusser vestment is the stole, and
> >this is because it is the custom of the service to put its badge on
> >either end, e.g.:
> >combatcamera&catalog=photos&download.
>
> When you put up a long URL if you inclose it in <>, it will work
> properly in newsreaders without repair.
>
> Like this
>
>
> If you remove the &download, it will display, rather than
> downloading.
>
>
> (I dumped this on Andrew because
>
> a) his stuff is worth looking at
>
> &
>
> b) he's smart enough not to get upset but remember)
I was posting from someone else's computer that has no newsreader, so
I used Google. Here's a test of your assertion about angle brackets:
<http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/netpub/server.np?
original=6434&site=combatcamera&catalog=photos>.
Peter Skelton
If you use google, all bets are off. I thnought you used rogers.
Sorry. I shall attone in the usual manner (by hoisitng a glass).
Peter Skelton
Rich Johnson
> On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 22:49:38 GMT, Rich Johnson <rwh.j...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Speaking of which, the bugger has his own web page
>>
>>http://www.mikehoarebooks.com/
>
> Gawd. I thought he would have been pushing up the Bellis perennis by
> now! Wonder what the pension plan for mercenaries was like .....
>
It seems to be writing books and publishing web sites