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Liz
>
> > Puhleeeze tell me no one here thinks Rosie is str8!
> > We're going to have to fine tune some gaydar here if that
> > is the case! LOL!
Melinda Meahan wrote:
> Rosie who?
> .
ROFLMAO!!! I'm sitting here mentally scratching my head over this
thread, wondering who the hell cares who does what with whom, and
Melinda comes along and with two words puts everything into perspective!
Ed, what's "gaydar" mean?
Liz
Neal
> Rosie is a successful woman and she's overweight -- that puts her two
> strikes out with men.
No, she is abrasive, not very funny.....
Oprah is a successful woman!! Quite a difference in them.
Ahhh.... My one afternoon to watch a little TV - Phil is on Oprah today.
Neal
EdziuGmys
>ROFLMAO!!! I'm sitting here mentally scratching my head over this
>thread, wondering who the hell cares who does what with whom,
I really couldn't care less who does what with whom, but I do think it shows a
lot about the character of the person to put up a facade of who they want to
make the public "think" they are, the very same public that shells out the
millions of bucks a year to buy the cheesy products their talk shows advertise,
or the millions that their movies make, and they are pretending to be someone
they are not. If I were ever placed in a position where I would become an
instant millionaire but had to lie about who I was to get it, I'd still be po'
old Ed! LOL!
>Ed, what's "gaydar" mean?
Gaydar is the gut intuition that someone else is gay. For some people, it is
in very fine tuned, and for others, it is not quite up to snuff.
Ed
MizGriz
life? It's none of our business. So if any of these people prefer members
of the same sex, no sex, animal sex, whatever sex....it's really none of our
business is it? I mean they have a public image which is exactly that....AN
IMAGE. It's what they do for a living. Sorry, I just don't see anything
wrong with them wanting to keep their private, personal lives exactly that.
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EdziuGmys
>WHY do we feel we're owed the "truth" about ANYONE's sex
>life?
I didn't say I was "owed truth," but rather I said it says a lot about the
person's character, or lack thereof in my opinion, to portray something you are
not! I agree that what two consenting adults is their business and none of our
business. What repulses me about people like Rosie is that she *doesn't* keep
her sex life private, she makes a spectacle out of herself fawning all over a
married man that she would never have even if he weren't married and straight!
>I just don't see anything wrong with them wanting to keep their private,
>personal lives exactly that.
Nor do I. There are many celebs who *do* keep their sexuality and bed partners
private and don't put some ridiculous facade on because of their own
insecurities whatever they may be.
FWIW, Rosie is fair game. She chose to be the center of attention with a
career where she is in the "public eye," and with that comes any number of
things she will have to deal with in the press and other media about her, true,
partially true and probably all-out lies. *That* is part of why celebs make
the outrageous money they make. Ask Rosie if she were willing to go to the
average American wage of $12 an hour for a 40-hour week and nothing would be
said about her in the media, methinks you wouldn't see her hauling her ass back
to "average" wages.
Ed who is perfectly content to make average wages and not have to put up a
facade for Nobudddy!
RaeMorrill
he was gay. >>
Can't say I ever did about Rock Hudson, either.
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want them? My naive sister seemed to have that idea regarding a friend of ours.
There are plenty of overweight women who are much more overweight and way less
attractive than Rosie who have male partners.
<< but
Rosie is a successful woman and she's overweight -- that puts her two
strikes out with men.
Julianne Weight
>FWIW, Rosie is fair game. She chose to be the center of attention with a
>career where she is in the "public eye," and with that comes any number of
>things she will have to deal with in the press and other media about her, true,
>partially true and probably all-out lies. *That* is part of why celebs make
>the outrageous money they make. Ask Rosie if she were willing to go to the
>average American wage of $12 an hour for a 40-hour week and nothing would be
>said about her in the media, methinks you wouldn't see her hauling her ass back
>to "average" wages.
Celebs make outrageous money because they can. It's a friggin' job,
just like any other, and a tough one to break into, at that. Singers
sing, actors act and comedians are funny. Do they choose the public
intrusion in their personal lives, or are they just doing what they
love to do? Since less than 5% of SAG members make more than $5,000 a
year, it's a pretty sure bet that nobody doing it because they love it
ever EXPECTS to actually make it big enough to be that much in the
public eye. I don't feel my enjoyment of a movie carries along with it
public access to the actors' private lives.
Julianne Weight
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Julianne Weight
wrote:
>Please don't tell me you believe overweight women are gay because men don't
>want them? My naive sister seemed to have that idea regarding a friend of ours.
>There are plenty of overweight women who are much more overweight and way less
>attractive than Rosie who have male partners.
No, I don't believe that at all. Quite the opposite, in fact. While
admitting my "gaydar" is not at all tuned, I don't know what leads
people to believe Rosie is gay, unless they've put cameras in her
bedroom or interviewed a partner.
Rosie, Jodie Foster, Oprah, Madonna -- are all high-profile women who
are unmarried targets for speculation about their sex life? It seems
we must label them either sluts (Madonna) or gay (see the rest of the
list). I don't think it's right. If people are going to speculate that
Rosie is gay because she isn't married, then is Stedman just a front
for Oprah? Maybe Madonna worked on the slut angle so nobody would
suspect she was gay.
Being gay in Hollywood is not a stigma, being Republican is.
Julianne Weight
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Julianne Weight
wrote:
>BUT, BUT, BUT......WHY do we feel we're owed the "truth" about ANYONE's sex
>life? It's none of our business. So if any of these people prefer members
>of the same sex, no sex, animal sex, whatever sex....it's really none of our
>business is it? I mean they have a public image which is exactly that....AN
>IMAGE. It's what they do for a living. Sorry, I just don't see anything
>wrong with them wanting to keep their private, personal lives exactly that.
Thank you. It's a job, and a pretty lousy one at that for the majority
of people.
Julianne Weight
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www.mt-cooperative.org
Liz
>
> No, I don't believe that at all. Quite the opposite, in fact. While
> admitting my "gaydar" is not at all tuned, I don't know what leads
> people to believe Rosie is gay, unless they've put cameras in her
> bedroom or interviewed a partner.
I thought Rosie outed herself several years ago!
JMorngstar
>Being gay in Hollywood is not a stigma, being Republican is.
>
As it should be.
Janice
Becky Young
convenience, arranged so that they each could preserve their image. I don't
remember anything specific, but the scuttlebutt has always had it that TC was
bisexual.
In article <20010206234404...@ng-mq1.aol.com>,
jesus...@aol.comnojunk (JesusLuvMe) writes:
>
>Guess I've been in my office too long and don't see enough TV. What things
>point to him being gay? I"ve never noticed anything that would make me think
>he was gay.
Becky Young
Little Rock, Arkansas
To reply by e-mail, take out the bad stuff!
Phyllis Nilsson
out there to whom both are a turn-on, and together can't be beat.
Julianne Weight wrote:
> Not that it's my place to wonder about something so personal... but
> Rosie is a successful woman and she's overweight -- that puts her two
> strikes out with men.
>
> Julianne Weight
> www.alphabest.com
> www.mt-cooperative.org
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Donna
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>I guess she (Rosie) will have to find another gay man like "her Tommy"
>masquerading as straight with a beard (Nicole) to fawn all over to hide
>her own sexual insecurities. Just a thought though. Maybe she'll start
>slobbering all over Ricky Martin!? Oh, wait, Ricky wouldn't work
>because he isn't married like "her Tommy" was, and I think Ricky
>Martin's being gay is a little more obvious.
>
>Ed
Ed, you might enjoy this one - http://www.bettybowers.com/bashmartin.html
Heh heh....I love BettyBowers.com
Ed, you know, you are blowing Rosie's cover when you say she needs a beard,
but then.....you were gonna be my beard for a dinner once, remember? LOLOL
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Donna
<3a80f040...@news.pacbell.net>:
>Not that it's my place to wonder about something so personal... but
>Rosie is a successful woman and she's overweight -- that puts her two
>strikes out with men.
Jeepers! So, she has "two strikes out with men" and is gay because of
that? Oy vey and I'm kvetching big time here. Rosie's been rumored to be
a lesbian for a long time. She was a stand up comic and thinner the first
time I remember hearing it.
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Donna
Tranxist
>BUT, BUT, BUT......WHY do we feel we're owed the "truth" about ANYONE's sex
>life? It's none of our business.
THANK YOU. Why would anybody want to spend any time thinking about anyway
unless they actually had a chance to be close to a particular celebrity. For
99.9% of us, we just go to the movies and enjoy who we enjoy, and have a little
fantasy about one of them now and then. Doesn't really matter what their
preference is, does it? WHO CARES?
Tranxist
>business. What repulses me about people like Rosie is that she *doesn't*
>keep
>her sex life private, she makes a spectacle out of herself fawning all over a
It's just for fun. If you don't enjoy it, don't watch her show.
JMorngstar
>>life? It's none of our business.
>
>THANK YOU.
I agree, but isn't it funny, how some felt the need to judge the Clintons sex
lives and thought that we were entitled to that information.
Janice
Tranxist
>lives and thought that we were entitled to that information.
>
Then again, is it too much to expect that a man with the highest office in the
country would have some class and not mess around right there on the job,
working for us, on government property that we pay taxes for?
Scandals get out, so my request would be for all future presidents to keep any
loving at home with his or her spouse and keep it out of the news so he or she
doesn't have to embarrass the whole country. It's only 4-8 years, sheez. Then
they can do any tacky thing they please.
JMorngstar
>Then again, is it too much to expect that a man with the highest office in
>the
>country would have some class and not mess around right there on the job,
I cannot answer this for you. But if the press had left it between B & H it
wouldn't have turned into the scandel is was and such a big embarrassment to
our country. Don't you get that it was more about politics than the fact.
Can't wait for GW's first scandel. It will happen, it is just a matter of how
soon.
Janice
MizGriz
belong in the same sentence :-)
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JMorngstar <jmorn...@aol.com> wrote:
>>Then again, is it too much to expect that a man with the highest office in
>>the
>>country would have some class and not mess around right there on the job,
>I cannot answer this for you. But if the press had left it between B & H it
>wouldn't have turned into the scandel is was and such a big embarrassment to
>our country. Don't you get that it was more about politics than the fact.
...
If Slick had kept 'it' between B & H and not whipped it out for Paula
he wouldn't have had the chance to commit perjury which is what the
scandal was about. Unfortunately, the left/Clinton supporters are so
hung up on sex they wanted to make it a sex scandal... But it was just
lying...
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MeMe901234
It's not a scandel, but a man from the city where I live just jumped the fence
at the Whitehouse and started firing shots. The feds are all over the place
here.
Charlene
MizGriz
:-)
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medical transcriptionist
One thing that you can definitely say about our former president is that he
certainly believed in spreading his around.
Cindy C.
MIKELSH1
>scandal was about. Unfortunately, the left/Clinton supporters are so
>hung up on sex they wanted to make it a sex scandal... But it was just
>lying...
You are talking merely about the legal perspective. The previous post seemed
to be referring decency and to the low-class image it caused our president to
have in front of the whole world. Sure that's fine for him if he doesn't care,
but he made us all look bad, whether he got out of in on legal grounds or not.
It's there forever in history.
Gdubson
>but he made us all look bad,
How do you figure?
Gisele
Julianne Weight
>I agree, but isn't it funny, how some felt the need to judge the Clintons sex
>lives and thought that we were entitled to that information.
Au contraire, Janice. He was on the government payroll (our money), on
government property (owned by us) and with a government volunteer. I
don't think the circumstances can be compared.
Julianne Weight
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Julianne Weight
wrote:
>Jeepers! So, she has "two strikes out with men" and is gay because of
>that? Oy vey and I'm kvetching big time here. Rosie's been rumored to be
>a lesbian for a long time. She was a stand up comic and thinner the first
>time I remember hearing it.
You misunderstood, Donna. My complaint is that because she has those
"two strikes," people automatically ASSUME she's gay.
Julianne Weight
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medical transcriptionist
How he made Americans look bad or the forever written in history part?
I will give my best stab at both. America is supposed to be based on integrity,
which the Clintons are sorely lacking in. I don't think the history book part
is an issue due to the PC atmosphere in which this country operates in.
Cindy C.
Tranxist
>>Sure that's fine for him if he doesn't care,
>>but he made us all look bad,
>
>How do you figure?
>
don't us, but they do know the president, who we elected (or had appointed) is.
I expect that person to at least keep up the appearance of having a moral
character while he is in the White House, since he represents me. Preferably he
will be of moral character. When I vote, that is one of the qualities I'm
looking for in a president. If he or she has high morals, they will be more
likely to make sound, wise and morally acceptable decisions, even if politics
does make the process more difficult.
medical transcriptionist
>government property (owned by us) and with a government volunteer. I
>don't think the circumstances can be compared.
>
If you are, in so many words, stating that Clinton is a toad regarding his
actions in this matter, then I (thud) agree.
Cindy C.
Gdubson
lacking in.
America being based on integrity is a new one on me. It would also be news to
all those who were dragged here in chains in the first century of our
existence.
If Clinton lacks integrity, it doesn't reflect on me, one tiny bit. Maybe it
reflects on you? I can't think why.
Gisele
Gdubson
morally acceptable decisions, even if politics does make the process more
difficult.
I can't help thinking of Nixon, who was supposedly a good family man. I'll take
Clinton over the bomber of Cambodia any day.
Gisele
medical transcriptionist
>reflects on you? I can't think why.
>
Gisele - he represented Americans to other countries and stood behind the
Presidential pulpit preaching American values. Un huh....anyway, Africans made
their own people slaves before white Americans did...if that is what you are
referring to in chains.
Cindy C.
medical transcriptionist
>take
>Clinton over the bomber of Cambodia any day.
>
Excuse my rustiness here, but didn't Clinton bomb Libya on the date that his
dalliances were being brought to the public light in order to thwart his
behavior. God help me if I'm wrong.
Cindy C.
medical transcriptionist
One more thing and again, excuse my ignorance if it's showing too much as I was
like 6 when Nixon was President, but didn't at least have the integrity to step
down when he got impeached?
Cindy C.
Tranxist
>If Clinton lacks integrity, it doesn't reflect on me, one tiny bit.
If you go into a foreign country and people notice you are an American, I'm
sorry, but before they get to know you they just might think of the President
of the United States, and what they know about our country thru him. He's
famous and he represents America, whether we like it or not. Maybe you
supported and were proud of Clinton. You may feel differently if I president
not of your choosing embarrasses you in some other way that you take
personally. Time will tell.
MeMe901234
Thank you Bambi :( and I do know that it is scandal but this week I doubt that
I have always spelled my own name correctly. I won't go into detail but it has
been one of those weeks that I hope ends soon.
Charlene
Tranxist
But that was also a moral issue. If he had not broken laws and done something
immoral (breaking in, stealing, lying), he would not have gotten in trouble.
Don't think it bothers me you are now criticising a Republican - I vote my
conscience and not strictly by political party. I have my reservations about
George W, but we will see.
JMorngstar
>If you go into a foreign country and people notice you are an American, I'm
>sorry, but before they get to know you they just might think of the
Well I don't know how well travelled you are, but since Clinton has been
President, I have visited 17 countries. In each and every country without
fail, they all wanted to know why Americans were making such a big deal out of
this. Clinton is the most beloved President that the United States has ever
had.
So, this is just plain rhetoric on the part of his enemies trying to give us
more propaganda for why his accomplishments shouldn't be applauded.
So, you can say whatever you want about him, but Americans are thought of more
highly in other countries than they ever have been NOT LESS. So now what do
you have to say.
Janice
Melinda Meahan
> One more thing and again, excuse my ignorance if it's showing too much as I was
> like 6 when Nixon was President, but didn't at least have the integrity to step
> down when he got impeached?
I think you were older than that if you have a teenager -- he stepped down in 1974
or 1975.
Tranxist
>to
>all those who were dragged here in chains in the first century of our
>existence.
And Americans struggled with this issue and went to war over it. The slaves
were freed, so it's time to get over it IMO. Many other groups had a rough
start here in America, but in this wonderful country a person can make their
dreams come true if they are willing to work hard. People prove it every day.
It can take a generation or two, to be sure. Those who have done best have
been those who didn't sit around whining about how unfair history or life is.
medical transcriptionist
>had.
Oh Janice!!!!
Shuddering.....
Cindy C.
Liz
>
> On Wed, 07 Feb 2001 19:08:10 GMT, do...@croakerwoods.com (Donna)
> wrote:
>
> >Jeepers! So, she has "two strikes out with men" and is gay because of
> >that? Oy vey and I'm kvetching big time here. Rosie's been rumored to be
> >a lesbian for a long time. She was a stand up comic and thinner the first
> >time I remember hearing it.
>
> You misunderstood, Donna. My complaint is that because she has those
> "two strikes," people automatically ASSUME she's gay.
Hmmm, like being a small-framed man with the name Bruce??? <G>
Julianne Weight
transcriptionist) wrote:
Was anyone surprised that he pardoned all his cronies, then took
furniture that belonged to the White House? What a fitting ending!
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Julianne Weight
transcriptionist) wrote:
>If you are, in so many words, stating that Clinton is a toad regarding his
>actions in this matter, then I (thud) agree.
You knew it had to happen one day, didn't you? <G>
Julianne Weight
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Liz
FYI, after an initial flurry of interest in our country's sex scandals,
the Europeans went on to more interesting scandals in their own
countries. Do you really think they give a hoot about Clinton and his
shenanigans? He's as popular in Europe as Kennedy was!
Gdubson
>Presidential pulpit preaching American values.
Our president as a preacher? I just don't see that.
Gisele
Gdubson
>were freed, so it's time to get over it IMO.
Gisele
Gdubson
he got impeached?
>Cindy C.
Wrong, he stepped down about 2 seconds before he was impeached.
Gisele
JMorngstar
>Oh Janice!!!!
>
>Shuddering.....
>
>
Cindy,
You have to keep the context together. I said overseas and in foreign
countries. This is true. Clinton is the MOST beloved President the US has
ever had in their eyes. No matter how we feel about him or his integrity.
Foreigners look at these things a lot differently than Americans do.
Janice
Gdubson
>something immoral (breaking in, stealing, lying), he would not have gotten in
trouble.
>Don't think it bothers me you are now criticising a Republican
I'm still more worried about Nixon's "plumbers" than what Clinton was doing
with the White House aide who got in to see him by "making a pest of myself"
(her exact words).
Gisele
medical transcriptionist
You know what I mean, all of the times he stood up behind his little
Presidental stand (I changed my term just for you) and talked about family
values while he's boinking Monica in her blue dress. Adultry.
Cindy C.
Becky Young
In article <20010207190818...@ng-bd1.aol.com>, tran...@aol.com
(Tranxist) writes:
>I'm
>sorry, but before they get to know you they just might think of the President
>of the United States, and what they know about our country thru him. He's
>famous and he represents America, whether we like it or not.
Becky Young
Little Rock, Arkansas
To reply by e-mail, take out the bad stuff!
Becky Young
If I look bad, it's because of something *I* did, not something somebody else
did.
In article <20010207171723...@ng-bd1.aol.com>, mike...@aol.com
(MIKELSH1) writes:
> Sure that's fine for him if he doesn't care,
>but he made us all look bad, whether he got out of in on legal grounds or
>not.
>It's there forever in history.
Becky Young
that. The guy could sell two left shoes, I kid you not.
But I am a great admirer of his and Hillary's, and always have been. I've
never been to the polls and not voted for him when he's run.
I'm not arguing politics - I won't, among friends -- I'm just giving my own
opinion.
In article <20010207193746...@ng-fj1.aol.com>,
ccout...@aol.comnomartha (medical transcriptionist) writes:
Tranxist
I've studied history regarding slavery in this country. I wonder if you have
ever studied what the Irish people went through when they first came here,
fleeing a country that was devastated by famine, only to find prejudice and
poverty and hunger here. Instead of complaining, they were grateful for the
chance they had to make life better for themselves, even if the road was all
uphill. People admire others who overcome adversity, in case you hadn't
noticed.
Tranxist
>fail, they all wanted to know why Americans were making such a big deal out
>of >this.
I realize that in many countries, it is expected that "men will be men," and
sexual morality doesn't matter. The problem is that IT MATTERS, whether they
see it as a problem or not. Many things matter, of course, not just that one
thing. We should be an example of what matters, and not have stupid
distractions going on in the White House. And just because leaders and people
of other countries may like Clinton does not mean that they aren't snickering
about him and getting the wrong message. And I don't see why you think it is
so hard for our leaders to try not to be laughingstocks. It's not asking that
much.
Melinda Meahan
> And just because leaders and people
> of other countries may like Clinton does not mean that they aren't snickering
> about him and getting the wrong message.
We had a missionary to Russia come to our church within the last year, and they
are now selling those Russian nesting dolls -- can't remember what they are called
-- and the outside one on one doll that was really popular was Clinton, going
through to other people including Hillary and Chelsea, and the most inside doll
was Monica. I guess it really is a big joke there.
VHOne
>had.
>
>So, this is just plain rhetoric on the part of his enemies trying to give us
>more propaganda for why his accomplishments shouldn't be applauded.
He sure is not beloved to a lot of people I know. I personally loved Reagan.
Clinton in my eyes is nothing but scum (sorry Democrats:)
Vickie
VHOne
don't know about it yet!) :)
JMorngstar
>so hard for our leaders to try not to be laughingstocks. It's not asking
>that
>much.
I was responding to your statements about how badly other countries think of
him and us. That simply is not true. Now you have tried to change your
statements and my responses to them. I don't play that game.
You don't like him. You don't like what he did. Fine, but don't state that
other people feel the same way that you do when you cannot back it up with hard
facts.
Janice
JMorngstar
>He sure is not beloved to a lot of people I know. I personally loved Reagan.
>
Janice
RaeMorrill
I will give my best stab at both. America is supposed to be based on integrity,
which the Clintons are sorely lacking in>
THis includes Reps like Nixon, right? Saw on "christian" broadcast a big deal
over Reagan having BIble, etc. Barf. Not a word about his wife dabbling in the
occult.
Rae Morrill in Maine
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Tranxist
>shenanigans? He's as popular in Europe as Kennedy was!
Popular doesn't necessarily mean respected.
JMorngstar
How do you quantify how many don't respect him, as opposed to how popular he
is?
Janice
Tranxist
>him and us. That simply is not true. Now you have tried to change your
>statements and my responses to them. I don't play that game.
>
shoot, if they did, he wouldn't have been voted into office for one thing. But
people in other countries cannot think of him the way your average decent,
law-abiding American wanted them to because he acted in an embarrassing way and
ruined the image our president should have. Sure, I've heard they like him,
but what he did tarnished his image, and and the way I see it, the United
States' image. Shoot, I don't dislike Clinton as a person, I just don't think
he showed himself to be completely morally prepared for such a responsibility.
I'm not saying he didn't do any good things, but some things are just basic.
Before somebody runs for office, I think they should look at themselves and
evaluate honestly whether they are the right person for the job. It their
personal responsibility - not to be perfect - but to follow rules of behavior
as you would with any job with its corresponding responsibility. This is the
top job, so anyone thinking himself (or herself) worthy should demand more of
himself. If he can't handle it, then he is going to be criticized.
RaeMorrill
How do you quantify how many don't respect him, as opposed to how popular he
is?>
Right, Janice. It infuriates the right wing that even after Monicagate, Clinton
was well liked. Heck, if 3 terms were allowed, he'd have probably won again. No
way to explain that except that most people don't give a rat's ass who he slept
with. Many world leaders currently regarded as heros probably were as bad or
worse in the personal morals department. Just in those days the press didn't
give this stuff big press.
RaeMorrill
DOn't know name either, but my dad brought some back from Russia a few years
ago. Amazing how they get so many into one. Pretty neat.
Tranxist
>is?
By quantify I guess you mean "to indicate the extent of," because I certainly
cannot express it as a numerical equivalent.
Let's see. You might like a hamster, but you wouldn't respect one the way you
might a German shepherd, and you wouldn't trust the hamster to guard your
house.
JesusLuvMe
>> In each and every country without
>>fail, they all wanted to know why Americans were making such a big deal out
>>of >this.
Interesting....
My best friend is English, born and bred welshman, and has told me many times
that the English think Bill Clinton is a putz.
D
Do you REALLY know what you are talking about???? Are you sure?
RaeMorrill
My best friend is English, born and bred welshman, and has told me many times
that the English think Bill Clinton is a putz. >
<G> Putz? Maybe, but that is the country where the monarchy has had spouses
looking the other way for centuries. Charles and Camilla are only examples of
this generation.
BIll might be a "redneck" but anyone from England really has no place to judge
him in the bedroom department. Heck, I believe even Prince Philip, the Queen's
husband, is rumored to have been unfaithful. Never mind a few generations back
when good ole Henry VIII got rid of unwanted wives by ingeniously coming up
with reasons to behead them.
JMorngstar
>Let's see. You might like a hamster, but you wouldn't respect one the way
>you
>might a German shepherd, and you wouldn't trust the hamster to guard your
>house.
I think you may have misused the word respect. You might not be afraid of the
hamster in the way that you would be the German Shepard. I don't respect
animals. I like them. I pet them. I let them lick me, but I don't respect
them.
I was just asking you to document your statements, but again, you try to get it
off point because you have no documentation for validity to your claims.
Just say YOU don't like him. and YOU don't respect him. That would end the
discussion.
Janice
Tranxist
>give this stuff big press.
>
press is part of the problem. But everybody knows that the press will leak any
dirt they can dig up, so it is ridiculous to me that someone who is president
isn't savy enough to know he can't get away with anything scandalous. Again I
say, it is only 4-8 years that they have to behave themselves, and these aren't
foolish 17 year olds who run for office.
JMorngstar
>called
>-- and the outside one on one doll that was really popular was Clinton, going
>through to other people including Hillary and Chelsea, a
This is not a joke in their culture. This is an act of love. They have done
them on every leader from every culture. I picked up about six different sets
when I was in Russia and wish I had picked up more. They are capitalists. They
will make anything that tourists will buy. Wish I had a set with Clinton, etc.
May have to make a few calls.
Janice
PS: By the way I just loved Russia. It is one of the most interesting
countries that I have ever visited. I would love to go back.
JMorngstar
>that the English think Bill Clinton is a putz.
There is no other evidence of this statement. Investigate how they turn out to
see him whenever he has visited. Of all the foreign countries, this is one in
which he is really appreciated.
Janice
JMorngstar
>evaluate honestly whether they are the right person for the job. It their
>personal responsibility - not to be perfect - but to follow rules of behavior
My history is rusty, but I do not believe that these are rules or qualfications
for the job. May you would like to get the constitution changed.
You have to be born in the United States and be at least 35 or is it 36 years
of age. Nothing about moral responsibility. If there had been those
qualfications documented, may be 3 or 4 of our presidents could have run for
office. It would have excluded our current president as he has skeletons in
his past that wouldn't qualify him to run by your criteria.
Janice
VHOne
spend on here, I would probably never be able to get up out of this chair! ;)
I already responded to this elsewhere when I realized that I misread what you
had said.
vickie
Bowling646
It's rainin' , blame Clinton. It's not rainin', bash Clinton. You're in
menopause. Blame Clinton. Life sux. Blame Clinton.
Get over it. He will get a lifetime pension worth more Than anyone ever
figured, he'll be the big daddy of the Democratic Party forever and there's not
a GD thing you can do about it.
GET A DAMN LIFE !!!! GET OVER IT!!!!!
Tranxist
>office. It would have excluded our current president as he has skeletons in
>his past that wouldn't qualify him to run by your criteria.
I know. Isn't it a shame.
Melinda Meahan
> This is not a joke in their culture. This is an act of love. They have done
> them on every leader from every culture.
It's not a joke to have Monica as the last doll????
JMorngstar
>Why does every damn subject that ever comes up end up Clinton being bashed?
>
Bowling,
I don't know who you are, but welcome to the group. I couldn't have said it
better myself.
Janice
Tranxist
>animals. I like them. I pet them. I let them lick me, but I don't respect
>them.
I like animals too. But I also respect them, giving each his due. Hampsters
can funny, cute and entertaining. They can bite if they aren't tame, and it
can hurt. Dogs need more respect because they are powerful and can bite if
they have a mind to, and they can hurt you badly and kill if they wanted to.
That is why it is a good idea to be careful around dogs you don't know. In the
same way, a president's reputation should be one of strength and seriousness,
not one of silliness and immaturity and lack of self-control.
As I said before, as a person he is sort of interesting, and I don't dislike
him. I am extremely disappointed in him because he was the leader of our
country and he didn't act like it. His behavior was not worthy of respect, so
there you go - I don't respect him.
I have enjoyed the discussion.
JMorngstar
>It's not a joke to have Monica as the last doll???
They all have a zinger and that is part of it. They are all based on a joke.
If you want some other examples, I will have to go get them out and open them
up to see who is inside. I don't remember off hand some of the other funny
ones.
Janice
JMorngstar
Okay, if we cannot find some exemplary human being who is willing to live a
saintly lifestyle for 4 to 8 years, what would you rather have.....
just someone passing time, not doing anything to upset sensitive people, run
our economy into the toilet, upset foreign leaders, or......
someone who is colorful to say the least, but brings on the biggest economical
boom that this country has ever had, takes unemployment to the lowest level
ever, raises minimum wage, gets more people off the welfare roles, works
towards the good of the world.
You tell me.
Janice
Tranxist
>him in the bedroom department.
Sure, but aren't you embarrassed for them? I feel sorry for the Queen Mother
and the Queen having to live through all the children's scandals. They don't
seem to have much to brag about. So sad. If I lived there I would want to do
away with the Monarchy after the Queen is through with her reign. Not that
anybody listens to me. :o]
Tranxist
>
Tranxist
>spend on here, I would probably never be able to get up out of this chair! ;)
>
you can't talk the controvertial stuff, so I was having a good time. Sorry!
Tranxist
>economical
>boom that this country has ever had, takes unemployment to the lowest level
>ever, raises minimum wage, gets more people off the welfare roles, works
>towards the good of the world.
>
>You tell me.
Janice, I already said he did some good things. So can I help it if I think we
should be able to do better? I know lots of regular people who have better
character than the people who are running for office. We need to get the cream
of the crop to run instead of the folks we're getting now. Wish I knew how,
but I don't. But maybe somebody else has an idea.
KMitch429
so do you Cin, I don't even know the name of the Prime Minister or Premier or
whoever it is, but I sure as hell don't see a Canadian and think uh oh, Trudeau
back in the 60s married a hippie 30 years younger than him and smoked grass, so
you, you bad old Canadian citizen, you are crap.........I really do not think
every American traveling to another country gets painted with the same brush
that paints Bill Clinton.
Like the Bowler or whoever said, why does every subject filter down to what
Clinton did or did not do?
RaeMorrill
Sure, but aren't you embarrassed for them? I feel sorry for the Queen Mother
and the Queen having to live through all the children's scandals.>
Embarrassed? Not sure that is word. In the case of Charles it more saddens me.
He could not consider marrying the woman he loved (Camila - and I believe he
does) because of stupid protocols. So, what happens. He has to marry according
to protocol and his heart won't follow. If politics had allowed, he'd prolly
married her to begin with, but her blood wasn't "blue" enough.
JMorngstar
>
Well doubling the salary to $400,000 may help. That and the fact that everyone
associated with the office becomes multimillionaires after they are out of
public life. We are seeing people in the Bush cabinet that never would have
been there without some of these perks.
I don't disagree that we shouldn't try to higher standards I just don't know
where you would look. Rule me out, as I have already admitted my
transgressions on the internet under my real name, which probably wasn't the
smartest thing to do if I wanted to run for office.
Actually I am thinking about getting into my local politics, but I have
conflicts of interest on most things, so there you have it.
Janice
Julianne Weight
wrote:
>Embarrassed? Not sure that is word. In the case of Charles it more saddens me.
>He could not consider marrying the woman he loved (Camila - and I believe he
>does) because of stupid protocols. So, what happens. He has to marry according
>to protocol and his heart won't follow. If politics had allowed, he'd prolly
>married her to begin with, but her blood wasn't "blue" enough.
I think it had more to do with the fact she was already married. <G>
Julianne Weight
www.alphabest.com
www.mt-cooperative.org
Gdubson
>
>You know what I mean,
No, I honestly don't. We have totally different concepts of what the president
is.
Gisele
Gdubson
>ever studied what the Irish people went through when they first came here,
>fleeing a country that was devastated by famine, only to find prejudice and
Okay, all the less reason to say the the US stands for integrity.
Gisele
Gdubson
>that the English think Bill Clinton is a putz.
>D
Boy, there's something to give me a sleepless night ...
Gisele
Gdubson
Clinton
>was well liked.
I don't condone Clinton's behavior, but next to a creep like Newt Gingrich with
his never-ending line of wives and mistresses, I'll take Bill anytime.
Gisele