OT: Obama's campaign donations?
Marsha
Phyllis Nilsson
lie and cheat, then receiving millions from people overseas who aren't U.S.
citizens and who could be from people who expect him to do the "right thing"
where they are concerned.
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Doug Jones
<snicker> Then *JUST* how did they find this? Oh - yeah, the public
release of the names.
Now, that people have put spoof names in a donation - I'm sure that if
you were going to go through McCain's list - the same way - you'd find
"Mickey Mouse", etc. And quite probably, if people are goofing with
the names, it's quite likely they will go over the donation limit.
Since you're so concerned about those things, why aren't you equally
concerned about McCain's campaign manager receiving money from Fannie
Mae - up until a month ago? The lobbyists who make up his campaign
staff? Todd Palin's membership in a secessionist party in Alaska,
who's founder, Joe Vogler said he had "no use for America or her
damned institutions," and vowed not to be buried on U.S. soil. He was
murdered while purchasing plastic explosives.
Who are the scary ones again?
Doug Jones
Judity
**RNC officials acknowledged Sunday that they do not have a list of
foreign donors to Obama's campaign. Instead, the complaint is based
largely on media reports, including one from a conservative Web
site.**
We all know how accurate web sites are, don't we? Also, didn't a Tina
Fey look-alike mention biased media filter ? Does that only work one
way?
The Palin/McCain team are doing all they can to blur the real issues,
in my opinion. I'm looking forward to Tuesday's debate to see if
McCain is still cranky and as condescending to Senator Obama like he
was in the first debate.
Judity
Kathycarp
McCain is still cranky and as condescending to Senator Obama like he was in
the first debate.
I'm absolutely positive that he will be (in your eyes).
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Marsha
> Since you're so concerned about those things, why aren't you equally
> concerned about McCain's campaign manager receiving money from Fannie
> Mae - up until a month ago?
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell100308.php3
"Obama has been the second-largest recipient of Fannie Mae's financial
contributions, right after Senator Christopher Dodd."
> staff? Todd Palin's membership in a secessionist party in Alaska,
> who's founder, Joe Vogler said he had "no use for America or her
> damned institutions," and vowed not to be buried on U.S. soil. He was
> murdered while purchasing plastic explosives.
>
> Who are the scary ones again?
>
> Doug Jones
Scary? That word is getting a bit overused on this group. People are
forgetting about race-baiter and bigot Wright, Obama's cherished mentor
for many years, even though Obama miraculously never heard any of that
spew. Not to mention his ties with an admitted terrorist (Ayers), and a
corrupt slum lord (Rezko). The Obamas purchased their home with the help
of his friend Rezko, recently convicted of a felony. Obama's wife's
salary suddenly tripled when he was elected governor.
Let's talk about health. McCain "has one foot in the grave and the
other on a banana peel" as someone put it here earlier. Obama has a
long history of smoking, a lot. Supposedly he's quit, but he has only
released one page of his medical records, while McCain has released all
of his. How much damage has Obama done to his lungs? Does he have lung
cancer or empysema? Biden has had two aneurysms fixed, and he's 65.
Going by the criteria people have for McCain, it sounds like Biden is
also close to his death bed.
Marsha
> Todd Palin's membership in a secessionist party in Alaska,
> Doug Jones
Is this much different - From John Fund in the WSJ on June 12th of 2006
- Senator Akaka [from Hawaii] undermined his own bill last year when he
made statements to National Public Radio that the sovereignty granted
Native Hawaiians in the [Native Hawaiian Government Reorganization Act]
bill could eventually lead to secession. 'That could be,' he said. 'As
far as what's going to happen at the other end, I'm leaving it up to my
grandchildren and great-grandchildren.'" Obama and Biden both voted for
Akaka's bill that opened the way for Hawaii to leave the union.
Marsha/Ohio
Jeannie
news:8pCdnSRb9-JQYXXV...@buckeye-express.com:
> Now THAT is scary. Senator Obama getting money anonymously from
> people who lie and cheat, then receiving millions from people overseas
> who aren't U.S. citizens and who could be from people who expect him
> to do the "right thing" where they are concerned.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/donations.asp
I wonder how long until some of the other claims in the article Marsha
quoted end up debunked on snopes as well?
However, there has been a "call to action" so to speak regarding an
investigation.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/republicans/31419
14/Republicans-ask-officials-to-probe-Barack-Obama-illegal-
contributions.html
Here's an interesting link
http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/09/bundlers-for-mccain-obama-are.html
Jeannie
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> The Palin/McCain team are doing all they can to blur the real issues,
> in my opinion. I'm looking forward to Tuesday's debate to see if
> McCain is still cranky and as condescending to Senator Obama like he
> was in the first debate.
He could bow down and kiss his butt and you'd find fault with that, huh? I
get the impression that no matter what McCain does or how he acts, you will
find a way for it to be offensive.
Kathycarp
article that was supposedly written by Maureen Dowd, and was different in
content from the article that was in the Toledo newspaper, written by Jack
Kelly. I'm not saying that Mr. Kelly has his facts right, but it is not what
the Snopes article addressed.
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Marsha
> http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/donations.asp
>
> I wonder how long until some of the other claims in the article Marsha
> quoted end up debunked on snopes as well?
Where did I say he received the bulk of his money from foreign sources?
Your link points to a fake article, debunked by Snopes, supposedly
from Dowd, and has absolutely nothing to do with what I posted.
Marsha/Ohio
Doug Jones
>Doug Jones wrote:
>> Since you're so concerned about those things, why aren't you equally
>> concerned about McCain's campaign manager receiving money from Fannie
>> Mae - up until a month ago?
>
>http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell100308.php3
>"Obama has been the second-largest recipient of Fannie Mae's financial
>contributions, right after Senator Christopher Dodd."
>
>> staff? Todd Palin's membership in a secessionist party in Alaska,
>> who's founder, Joe Vogler said he had "no use for America or her
>> damned institutions," and vowed not to be buried on U.S. soil. He was
>> murdered while purchasing plastic explosives.
>>
>> Who are the scary ones again?
>>
>> Doug Jones
>
>Scary? That word is getting a bit overused on this group. People are
>forgetting about race-baiter and bigot Wright, Obama's cherished mentor
>for many years, even though Obama miraculously never heard any of that
>spew. Not to mention his ties with an admitted terrorist (Ayers), and a
>corrupt slum lord (Rezko). The Obamas purchased their home with the help
>of his friend Rezko, recently convicted of a felony. Obama's wife's
>salary suddenly tripled when he was elected governor.
>
In case you missed it, several news organizations have looked into the
Ayers case - it's nothing. Yes, he served on two boards with the man.
They taught at the same institution. Obama was 8 years old at the
time that Ayers was in the Weather Underground. That constitutes the
"ties."
Now, let's see you and raise you:
Let's then talk about gay-baiter Pastor Hagee. Oh, how about the
witch hunter, Pastor Muthee? How about McCain's admitted ties with
a convicted felon, who plotted to murder a journalist - his "good
friend" G. Gordon Liddy.
>Let's talk about health. McCain "has one foot in the grave and the
>other on a banana peel" as someone put it here earlier. Obama has a
>long history of smoking, a lot. Supposedly he's quit, but he has only
>released one page of his medical records, while McCain has released all
>of his. How much damage has Obama done to his lungs? Does he have lung
>cancer or empysema? Biden has had two aneurysms fixed, and he's 65.
>Going by the criteria people have for McCain, it sounds like Biden is
>also close to his death bed.
>
46-year-old former smoker who exercises regularly, no cancer, no other
major health issues. 72-year-old man who has had several episodes of
melanoma, recent surgery to remove a growth, past history of severe
physical trauma resulting in permanent disability.
Gosh, health as an issue?
Doug Jones
Um.. you really need to read the articles you decide to post to
justify your points.
Jeannie
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> I'm not sure it's the same thing. The Snopes piece is talking about an
> article that was supposedly written by Maureen Dowd, and was different
> in content from the article that was in the Toledo newspaper, written
> by Jack Kelly. I'm not saying that Mr. Kelly has his facts right, but
> it is not what the Snopes article addressed.
but it did address some of the internet donations -whether it be the
specific ones he was referring to or not.
Jeannie
> Where did I say he received the bulk of his money from foreign sources?
> Your link points to a fake article, debunked by Snopes, supposedly
> from Dowd, and has absolutely nothing to do with what I posted.
It didn't and I certainly didn't say that it did. It did, however, prove
that some of the other hype regarding his financial contributions had
already been debunked. People, in their zeal to condemn, tend to speak
first and find out the whole truth later. I wouldn't get all fired up
about someones commentary or article until it could be proven.
Phyllis Nilsson
LIVING ROOM. Birds of a feather? No one cares what Obama was doing at age
8, it is his choice of friends and associates when he became an adult that
is thought-provoking. He has made more than one poor choice as an adult,
and that simply is not acceptable for this country at this time.
Since Senator Obama's medical records have not been totally released, you
cannot say with accuracy that he doesn't have major health issues, nor minor
issues that will surface in the next four years. At my age I read the
obituaries every day, and every day I am surprised by how many are dying in
their early fifties. You cannot mistreat your lungs for decades without a
problem arising at some point. Those with African ancestory have a higher
incidence of heart disease, cancer, and high blood pressure.
All of Senator McCain's medical records have been released to the public and
he has been given a clean bill of health. He has had melanoma and has had
it taken care of. Do I hear you saying that no one with a permanent
disability should be president? Would you feel the same if his name were
Franklin Roosevelt? Where do you draw the line on the disability, Doug?
Wheelchair, crutches, cane, hearing aids, glasses, Viagra?
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> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 18:15:20 -0400, Marsha <m...@xeb.net> wrote:
>>
>
> In case you missed it, several news organizations have looked into the
> Ayers case - it's nothing. Yes, he served on two boards with the man.
> They taught at the same institution. Obama was 8 years old at the
> time that Ayers was in the Weather Underground. That constitutes the
> "ties."
>
Phyllis Nilsson
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Doug Jones
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-k-wilson/30-lies-refuted-about-aye_b_132109.html
"LIE: Jerome Corsi claimed Alice "Palmer would never have introduced
Obama to the Hyde Park political community at the Ayres-Dohrn home
unless she saw an affinity between Ayers and Dohrn's radical leftist
history, her own history of far-leftist politics, and the politics of
Barack Obama."(p. 137)
TRUTH: The event wasn't held primarily for Obama. It was Palmer's own
announcement that she would run for Congress. Obama was there as
Palmer's endorsed successor for her Senate seat, but there's no
evidence that he had any role in deciding to hold it at Ayers' home."
BTW, CNN, Factchecker, NYT, and the Chicago Tribune have *ALL* looked
into this. It's lies. False. No basis in truth.
You really need to stop quoting Corsi, he's been caught in so many
factual errors it's ridiculous.
Senator McCain's records were NOT released to the public. What he did
was to give journalists three hours to look at over 1000 pages of
records, no copies or recordings.
Doug Jones
RaeMorrill
Todd Palin's membership in a secessionist party in Alaska,
who's founder, Joe Vogler said he had "no use for America or her
damned institutions," and vowed not to be buried on U.S. soil. He was
murdered while purchasing plastic explosives.
>>
Good point, Doug.... This from the people who didn't like Michelle
Obama saying she had not been proud of her country until a certain
point?
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labor on a commercial flight so that her last child could be born on
AK soil. Interesting thought isn't it. TP said that his child
wouldn't be born in Texas. If I was Texan I would have been insulted.
But he also said that his kid would be born in AK and only AK.
You have to be in AK to know just how AIG and most AKans for that
matter feel about the "outside."
janice
RaeMorrill
Frankly, I think judging anyone because they have friends, nevermind
have met, who have been convicted of a felony, or any crime, in the past
are treading on thin ice. I doubt any of us know for certain the full
history of everyone we associate with, particularly their actions in the
distant past should they chose not to disclose them. However, if one
does start in that direction one is bound to be the pot calling the
kettle black pretty fast, i.e., two words: "Keating Five."
It seems no one can find any real dirt on Obama. Oh, they may want to
condemn him for something he voted on against their beliefs, but that
doesn't make him a bad person. There's no adultry in his closet (at
least yet - and I'm sure if there was someone would have spilled it by
now), no suspicious activities drawing hearings with senate ethics
committee, etc.
The more I hear about Palin, the crazier she sounds. Only plus I can
think of is that Tina Fey portrays her to a T LOL.
Phyllis Nilsson
It was the beginning. He wanted that senate seat. It was the first, but
not the last of his
His records were released to media journalists (the public), but they
weren't allowed to make copies or recordings . . . recordings? Doug, they
read them, they published some of it. That's called releasing one's
records, which Senator Obama has not done. Facts are facts, and we don't
have them on Senator Obama's health. Of course, if he comes up with a
"permanent disability" perhaps you'll change your mind on whether he is
right for the job.
Phyllis Nilsson
any wrong doing in that case.
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>
> However, if one
> does start in that direction one is bound to be the pot calling the
> kettle black pretty fast, i.e., two words: "Keating Five."
>>
>
Marsha
If you're talking to me, I think you'd better read both articles again.
Marsha/Ohio
Marsha
> Marsha <m...@xeb.net> wrote in news:gcbrdi$bsu$4...@news.datemas.de:
>
>>Where did I say he received the bulk of his money from foreign sources?
>> Your link points to a fake article, debunked by Snopes, supposedly
>>from Dowd, and has absolutely nothing to do with what I posted.
>
> It didn't and I certainly didn't say that it did.
You posted the link to snopes and then said "I wonder how long until
some of the other claims in the article Marsha quoted end up debunked on
snopes as well?" It sounded to me like you were saying it, but I could
be mistaken.
>People, in their zeal to condemn, tend to speak first and find out the
>whole truth later. I wouldn't get all fired up about someones commentary
>or article until it could be proven.
True. But Jack Kelly's columns aren't gossip and he usually doesn't
stretch the truth. I tend to think there's substance behind what he says.
Marsha/Ohio
Jeannie
> True. But Jack Kelly's columns aren't gossip and he usually doesn't
> stretch the truth. I tend to think there's substance behind what he
> says.
He usually doesn't stretch the truth??? So....then is it fair to say that
he usually doesn't report/write with 100% accuracy??? Then how can one ever
be sure of what he writes?
Marsha
Huh? If you must be that anal, he wrote an article a few years ago that
had a factual error and he corrected it publicly. One mistake out of
thousands of columns. Sounds like a real unreliable person. Hence my
statement "usually". And of course not one word about how your link to
snopes had nothing to do with the article I posted, and how you could
barely wait until everything else I said was debunked.
Marsha/Ohio
Susan Mitchell
for wrong doing. He did not go to jail for his actions, not necessarily
exonerated.
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Doug Jones
You ever want to hang out with someone who suggests shooting federal
agents in the head, since they have body armor? Who's a *convicted*
felon (unlike Ayers), and who made plan to kill a journalist? Who has
never regretted their actions? John McCain calls him a "good friend".
Sitting on boards? Gosh, Obama and Ayers sat on a board of a
foundation to improve education in the city they live in. McCain sat
on the board of the U.S. Council for World Freedom, which was part of
an international organization linked to former Nazi collaborators and
ultra-right-wing death squads in Central America.
You know, if you want to go down the guilt-by-association trail, it
turns out that McCain has a lot more skeletons rattling around in his
closet. I'll be happy to drag them out.
On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 16:28:49 -0700, Bright Spark
<brights...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I suppose it could certainly be possible that some of us might not
>know the entire sordid backgrounds of some of our friends and
>acquaintances, but it does seem quite obvious to me that anyone
>considering going into politics would - if they had half a brain or
>even just a little judgment - give serious thought to what they did
>and make very sure of the backgrounds of people they associated with.
>It only takes a little common sense to figure that out.
>
>To sit on a couple of Boards of Directors for four years with a person
>who believed and said: "Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars
>and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents, that's
>where it's really at." And then participated in bombing the Pentagon,
>after which he said: "Everything was absolutely ideal on the day I
>bombed the Pentagon. The sky was blue. The birds were singing. And
>the bastards were finally going to get what was coming to them."
>
>Who on earth would even want to be in the same room as a person who
>espoused this kind of thinking?
>
>Obama is not a stupid man. Of course he knows the background of the
>people he associates with.
>
>Bright Spark
jmorn...@aol.com
The way I have it figured out is that many Republicans cannot figure
out why Democrats are going to vote for BO. For many of us, even
rolling the dice and taking a chance on BO is much better than four
more years of the same. I know that the Republicans don't think that
they can change our minds on BO and they only post all this crap
because they are trying to convince themselves that they are still
better off voting for JM and they have to make JM sounds better.
Whatever works for them.
Janice
Jeannie
> And of course not one word about how your link to
> snopes had nothing to do with the article I posted, and how you could
> barely wait until everything else I said was debunked.
Perhaps you should go back and read. I posted about the lack of
correlation but it did show that some of the myths regarding his
contributions had already been debunked. I also don't see a post where I
said I could barely wait until everything else you said was debunked?
Perhaps you could show me where I said that, please???
Jeannie
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> He wasn't exonerated he was slapped on the wrist so to speak by the
> Senate for wrong doing. He did not go to jail for his actions, not
> necessarily exonerated.
>
Funny that this article was on the comcast "headlines" this morning
http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-politics/20081007/McCain.Keating/
McCain revisiting Keating 5 banking scandal again
WASHINGTON — Nearly two decades later, John McCain is still haunted by
his role in the Keating Five scandal.
His role in the 1980s banking scandal is featured in a new Barack Obama
attack video. McCain's presidential campaign quickly moved to limit any
damage.
The Republican senator's lawyer in the case, John Dowd, told reporters in
a conference call Monday that McCain had been the victim of "a political
smear job" by Senate Democrats.
When a reporter noted that McCain himself has spoken contritely about his
role, Dowd responded, "I'm his lawyer and I have a different view of it."
McCain said his reputation was so tarnished by the Keating case that he
compared his ordeal — in some ways — to the torture he suffered as a
prisoner of war.
"I faced in Vietnam, at times, very real threats to life and limb,"
McCain told The Associated Press in a written statement last March. "But
while my sense of honor was tested in prison, it was not questioned.
During the Keating inquiry, it was, and I regretted that very much."
The Obama video was released after Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, McCain's
running mate, criticized Obama's association with Bill Ayers, a founder
of the Vietnam-era radical group the Weather Underground.
The Keating Five were four Democratic senators, and Republican McCain,
who accepted contributions from Charles Keating Jr., a real estate
speculator and savings and loan owner. His institution failed and cost
many investors in uninsured financial products their life savings.
Once close to Keating, McCain received $112,000 from him, his family and
associates. The senator and his family also flew in Keating's plane to
the Bahamas and — in the events that triggered the Senate investigation —
took up his cause with financial regulators as they were investigating
the businessman. Keating eventually went to prison. McCain eventually
repaid $112,000 to the U.S. Treasury and reimbursed Keating for the
trips.
The irony of the Keating case is that McCain received the mildest ethics
committee rebuke of the five senators in 1991, and was kept as a
defendant because he was the only Republican. The special counsel in the
case had recommended that McCain and one of the Democrats be dropped as
defendants. But Democrats, who controlled the Senate, refused to take all
the heat for the scandal and all five remained in the case to the end.
McCain, in his book "Worth the Fighting For," lamented that the senators
"were now a two-word shorthand for the entire savings and loan debacle
and the rotten way American political campaigns are financed."
He also wrote: "My popularity in Arizona was in free fall. ... I expected
a rough, and quite possibly unsuccessful re-election campaign in 1992. To
the extent I was known nationally anymore, it was as one of the crooked
senators who had bankrupted the thrift industry."
Dowd, in his conference call, wouldn't tolerate a hint of an apology for
McCain's actions.
"John was the only senator who threw Charlie Keating out of his office,"
he said, reminding reporters of a well-publicized confrontation. Keating
had called McCain a wimp for failing to do more to influence financial
regulators on his behalf.
McCain is the only Keating Five defendant still in the Senate. The
senators were accused of trying to intimidate regulators on behalf of
Keating, who along with his associates, raised $1.3 million combined for
the campaigns and political causes of the five.
The investigation ended in early 1991 with a rebuke that McCain
"exercised poor judgment in intervening with the regulators." But the
ethics committee also determined McCain's actions "were not improper nor
attended with gross negligence."
The committee said more than one year had passed — a "decent interval" —
between the last contributions Keating raised for McCain and the two 1987
meetings he attended with banking regulators.
None of the five senators was punished by the Senate.
"The appearance of wrongdoing, fair or unfair, can be potentially as
injurious as actual wrongdoing," McCain told the AP in March, reflecting
on what he said were his lessons from the scandal. "Also, when questions
are raised about your integrity or for that matter anything involving
your public career, even, for example, a controversial position on the
issues, it is best not to hide from the media or public."
Keating went to prison for more than four years after a federal fraud
conviction. The conviction was reversed on appeal after he argued that
jurors improperly had knowledge of a prior state conviction on related
charges. He was to be retried in federal court but instead pleaded guilty
to four federal fraud counts. Keating admitted he siphoned nearly $1
million from his S&L's insolvent parent company. He was sentenced to time
he already had served.
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Gisele
> No need to drag stuff out on my account because - gosh, you would just
> be wasting your time.
>
> BS
>
That much is clear. Here's for making shooting wolves from low-flying
airplanes a national sport.
Gisele
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Doug Jones
You might also be interested in the fact that the foundation that
Ayers was a board member of was funded by a Republican, and that there
were Republican board members.
Then again, sitting on the board of a foundation whose goals are to
improve education in a city just doesn't quite fan the fires of hate
like the "terrorist" crap, does it?
On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 08:16:05 -0700, Bright Spark wrote:
>Sounds like you're sputtering.
>
>Another bunch of important sounding words strung together that
>actually don't say anything - um... just like Obama.
>
>No need to drag stuff out on my account because - gosh, you would just
>be wasting your time.
>
>BS
>
>
>