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John  
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 More options May 26 2004, 1:09 am
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition, alt.support.diet.low-carb, sci.med.cardiology
From: John <john9212...@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 23:09:18 -0600
Local: Wed, May 26 2004 1:09 am
Subject: Re: Longest scientific study yet backs Atkins diet
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Bob,

On noticing a distinct improvement in the tone of your posts, I
decided to answer this one.

The proof you are looking for is right under your nose - in your own
refrigerator, in fact.  I'm going to skip over most of the last post
to focus on exactly what I'm talking about.

On Tue, 25 May 2004 18:15:07 -0400, "Bob (this one)" <B...@nospam.com>
wrote:

>But you say none of that matters. That only the weight is at issue,
>and, you imply, it'll all work out somehow. I can't see the conditions
>where packaged foods will contain the same nutrient composition
>because they weigh the same. I just went downstairs to look in my
>freezer at some prepared foods. I just picked the ones at the front.
>No special searching to affect the ratios. Here are some foods,
>portion sizes specified on the package and caloric content.

>Food                        port.   cal.            cal/g

>Mini quiches                139 g   440 cal         3.16
>personal pizzas             155 g   390 cal         2.52
>chicken bakes (in crust with veg)
>                    227 g   290 cal         1.28
>roasted potatoes w/herbs
>                    154 g   270 cal         1.75
>veg pot pie w/turkey        198 g   450 cal         2.27
>pot stickers (shao mai)     150 g   280 cal         1.87
>corn pudding                125 g   138 cal         1.10
>cut wax beans               120 g    20 cal         0.17
>vegetable kofta pilaf       128 g   229 cal         1.79

>I don't have any full meals prepared in single packages, so I can't
>speak to that directly. But the USDA has them in the database and
>here's a sampling:

>BANQUET, OUR ORIGINAL Fried Chicken Meal, frozen, with Mashed Potatoes
>& Corn, Seasoned Sauce  228 g   470 cal         2.06
>MARIE CALLENDER'S Escalloped Noodles & Chicken, frozen entree
>                    368 g   629 cal         1.71
>TYSON Roasted Chicken with Garlic Sauce, Pasta and Vegetable Medley,
>frozen entree               255 g   214 cal         0.84
>BANQUET EXTRA HELPING Salisbury Steak Dinner, with Gravy, Mashed
>Potatoes and Corn in Seasoned Sauce, frozen meal
>                    468 g   782 cal         1.67
>STOUFFER'S LEAN CUISINE HOMESTYLE Beef Pot Roast with Whipped
>Potatoes, frozen entree     255 g   207 cal         0.81
>STOUFFER'S HOMESTYLE Salisbury Steak in Gravy & Macaroni and Cheese,
>frozen entree               272 g   386 cal         1.42

>The range of possibilities shown above is rather wide. Obviously, more
>food than just this is necessary to reach the 2 pounds. Caloric
>beverages. More fruit and veg.

>If only eating two meals a day for a total of 2 pounds and assuming a
>lightish breakfast as you imply;
>two poached eggs, large     100 g   294 cal
>1/2 cup muesli with 1/2 cup milk
>                     93 g   195 cal
>apple, medium               138 g   72 cal
>makes for a total of        331 g   561 calories.

I calculated the average caloric density of the items you report as
being in your refrigerator (plus the above breakfast and USDA meals)
and I see 18 items with an average density of 1.64 cal/gm.  Two pounds
of randomly selected food from your refrigerator (and the other stuff
you mentioned) would provide 1500 calories.  A 1500 cal/day diet is
not a "concentration camp" diet.  But many people would probably lose
weight on this level of consumption.  

Under the 2PD diet, you don't need to read the labels, worry about
exactly how big a "portion" is, etc - you just weigh what you actually
eat.  You stop eating for the day when the total hits 2 pounds.  In so
doing, you will average 1500 cal/day based on the contents of your own
refrigerator.  It's safe to assume that it is food you like and find
appealing or else it wouldn't be in your refrigerator.  If we assume
you eat everything in there before refilling it (and restock it
identically), the above statistic will continue to apply.  

Some days you'll consume more than 1500 calories, other days you'll
consume less but you'll average 1500 cal/day.  

Thanks for the data.  I rest my case.  ;-)

John


 
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