Why is juicing better than eating a vegitable raw? Is it a myth?
lab...@yahoo.com
recommend to juice for life. They make claims that juicing veggies
is better for you then just eating them. Sure, I can see one
advantage to juicing which is that you can intake lots more carrots if
you juice them, then just eating them raw. Also, the body takes more
energy the digest the whole carrot as oppose to just the carrot juice.
The fibber which goes to waste is also good for you but if you are
juicing lots of vegetable, it will be more that you need or can handle.
For argument sake, let's say I am getting plenty of fibber during my
day, is juicing veggies better for you then just eating them? Or,
let's say I just want to eat one carrot, is that just as good as
juicing that carrot? Thanks.
TC
It is a myth. Eat the veggies.
TC
OmManiPadmeOmelet
lab...@yahoo.com wrote:
No.
Just eat them as nature meant you to......
Juicing is a fad. A joke.
A way for rip off artists to make money on infomercials.
Whole foods are better IMHO.
--
Om.
"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson
OmManiPadmeOmelet
"TC" <tund...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Agreed.
(for once. <G>)
Jeff
money.
But, eating whole fruit is better for you. You lose out on some of the
vitamins and minerals, as well as fibre, when you drink the juice instead of
eating the fruit. Plus, juice is mostly sugar water.
Eat the whole fruit.
Jeff
Juhana Harju
: In article <1128538002....@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
Well, look at this study:
Cancer Epidemiol Biomarkers Prev. 1999 Mar;8(3):227-31.
Comparison of serum carotenoid responses between women consuming vegetable
juice and women consuming raw or cooked vegetables.
McEligot AJ, Rock CL, Shanks TG, Flatt SW, Newman V, Faerber S, Pierce JP.
Department of Family and Preventive Medicine, University of California at
San Diego, La Jolla 92093-0901, USA.
The objective of this study was to examine serum concentrations of
alpha-carotene, beta-carotene, lutein, lycopene, and beta-cryptoxanthin due
to consumption of vegetable juice versus raw or cooked vegetables. Subjects
included female breast cancer patients who had undergone surgical resection
and who were enrolled in a feasibility study for a trial examining the
influence of diet on breast cancer recurrence. A high-vegetable, low-fat
diet was the focus of the intervention, and some of the subjects were
specifically encouraged to consume vegetable juice. At 12 months, blood
samples were collected and analyzed for carotenoid concentrations via
high-performance liquid chromatography methodology. Matched analysis and
paired t test were conducted on two groups: those who consumed vegetable
juice (the juice group) and those who consumed raw or cooked vegetables (no
juice group). Serum concentrations of alpha-carotene and lutein were
significantly higher in the vegetable juice group than in the raw or cooked
vegetable group (P < 0.05 and P = 0.05, respectively). Paired t test
analysis did not demonstrate a significant difference in serum values of
beta-carotene, lycopene, and beta-cryptoxanthin between subjects consuming
juice and those not consuming any juice. These results suggest that
alpha-carotene and lutein appear to be more bioavailable in the juice form
than in raw or cooked vegetables. Therefore, the food form consumed may
contribute to the variability in serum carotenoid response to vegetable and
fruit interventions in clinical studies. PMID: 10090300
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Juhana
OmManiPadmeOmelet
"Juhana Harju" <shant...@despammed.com> wrote:
But how much is enough?
And is that the _only_ nutrient increased by juicing????
Too many factors.
IMHO this study is too narrow.
Juhana Harju
: In article <3qiomuF...@individual.net>,
: "Juhana Harju" <shant...@despammed.com> wrote:
:
:: OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
::: In article <1128538002....@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
::: "TC" <tund...@hotmail.com> wrote:
:::
:::: lab...@yahoo.com wrote:
::::: You hear so much about juicing recently. Most Naturopaths highly
::::: recommend to juice for life. They make claims that juicing
::::: veggies is better for you then just eating them. Sure, I can
::::: see one advantage to juicing which is that you can intake lots
::::: more carrots if you juice them, then just eating them raw.
::::: Also, the body takes more energy the digest the whole carrot as
::::: oppose to just the carrot juice. The fibber which goes to waste
::::: is also
::::: good for you but if you are juicing lots of vegetable, it will be
::::: more that you need or can handle.
:::::
::::: For argument sake, let's say I am getting plenty of fibber during
::::: my day, is juicing veggies better for you then just eating them?
::::: Or, let's say I just want to eat one carrot, is that just as good
::::: as juicing that carrot? Thanks.
::::
:::: It is a myth. Eat the veggies.
:::
::
:: Well, look at this study:
::
:: Cancer Epidemiol Biomarkers Prev. 1999 Mar;8(3):227-31.
:: Comparison of serum carotenoid responses between women consuming
:: vegetable juice and women consuming raw or cooked vegetables.
::
:: [...] These
:: results suggest that alpha-carotene and lutein appear to be more
:: bioavailable in the juice form than in raw or cooked vegetables.
:: Therefore, the food form consumed may contribute to the variability
:: in serum carotenoid response to vegetable and fruit interventions in
:: clinical studies.
::
:: ract&list_uids=10090300
:
:
: But how much is enough?
Well, nutrient density is one known health factor.
: And is that the _only_ nutrient increased by juicing????
There where two nutrients, alpha-carotene and lutein.
: Too many factors.
: IMHO this study is too narrow.
I agree that the study is narrow but still it implies that juicing helps the
absorption of certain nutrients. Minerals can also be among of those
nutrients. There is also good practical experience of juicing from the
cancer clinics (Gerson cancer therapy). These are some of the reasons which
make me to believe that there is some sense in juicing.
--
Juhana
OmManiPadmeOmelet
"Juhana Harju" <shant...@despammed.com> wrote:
A number one killer is colon cancer.
Studies show that veggie FIBER helps with that.
Juicing eliminates it. ;-)
Cheers!
TC
There is more to good nutrition than alpha-carotene, beta-carotene,
lutein, lycopene, and beta-cryptoxanthin.
Which and how many other nutrients are being dump in the garbage can?
TC
Juhana Harju
: In article <3qir4nF...@individual.net>,
: "Juhana Harju" <shant...@despammed.com> wrote:
:: OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
::: In article <3qiomuF...@individual.net>,
::: "Juhana Harju" <shant...@despammed.com> wrote:
:::: OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
::::: In article <1128538002....@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
::::: "TC" <tund...@hotmail.com> wrote:
:::::: lab...@yahoo.com wrote:
::::::: You hear so much about juicing recently. Most Naturopaths
::::::: highly recommend to juice for life. They make claims that
::::::: juicing veggies is better for you then just eating them. - -
::::::: For argument sake, let's say I am getting plenty of fibber
"As cancer victor George Malkmus affirms, 'many digestive systems are not
functioning well and the sicker the person, the more difficult it is to
digest and assimilate the nutrients in raw vegetables, because they contain
the pulp or fiber. But with the pulp or fiber removed, the nutrients can
pass directly into the blood stream and within minutes are feeding the cells
and restoring the immune system.' George Malkmus healed himself of *colon
cancer* by switching to a vegetarian regime composed largely of raw fruits
and vegetables, amending his lifestyle and 'drinking lots of freshly
extracted carrot juice'."
http://www.healingcancernaturally.com/juicers.html
Emphasis mine.
Om Shanti. ;-)
--
Juhana
Juhana Harju
: There is more to good nutrition than alpha-carotene, beta-carotene,
: lutein, lycopene, and beta-cryptoxanthin.
Sure there is but you can't study all things at the same time.
--
Juhana
montygram
concentrated form. Keep in mind that some vegetables have powerful
anti-thyroid and other negative effects. Even pears have some
anti-thyroid qualities. This has been known for over half a century,
and yet all we get from the media is nonsense information ("saturated
fat," "lowering cholesterol," "essential fatty acids," etc.).
As to the concentrated vitamins: the reason you would need more
vitamins in food is that you are subjecting your body to too much
stress. Stop eating oxidized cholesterol and highly unsaturated oils,
get enough sleep, avoid excess iron, avoiding smoking, etc. Don't
bother with the vegetables at all. Drink pineapple juice if you want
juice. Eat berries, cherries, and tropic fruit, as well as fresh
coconut (or shredded coconut, if you prefer). Don't stress the cells
of your body and eat high quality protein. Then, just make sure you
are getting enough electrolyte minerals (supplement a little with
citrate forms if you think you may need more). A little copper may be
good too. Do a stomach acid test to make sure you are producing
enough, otherwise you won't be able to digest food properly.
Juhana Harju
: - -
: Don't bother with the vegetables at all.
Are you serious? Any references that abstaining from vegetables altogether
would be healthy?
--
Juhana
montygram
make a vegetable stew. I puree organic canned corn for a sauce, and I
use a few broccoli florets in an Asian noodle dish, but aside from the
potatoes, I don't eat any of these in large amounts or regularly.
If you avoid stressors, you don't need "protection" - that is the key
point. The worst stressor in Western diets is the large consumption of
highly unsaturated oils. Remove them, avoid oxidized cholesterol, and
eat some fruit and dark chocolate and the vegetables are not necessary.
If you look at the colon cancer studies, it's all about arachidonic
acid metabolites, and you can eliminate them entirely. After avoiding
omega 3s and 6s for about 2 years, your body has Mead acid in it
instead of arachidonic acid, and the only metabolite derived from it is
the weak LTA3 (rather than PGE2 or LTB4, which are powerful and
dangerous). "Fiber" can have anti-nutritive qualities, and the
concentrated juice can have powerful anti-thyroid effects. Keep in
mind that much is not known, and if you eat large amounts of powerul
substances you will have no idea what you are doing until you "get
sick." And then you will think it is related to something else and
probably drink more of the juice and make the condition worse.
John Sankey
"I agree that the study is narrow but still it implies that
juicing helps the absorption of certain nutrients."
But, doesn't cooking achieve the same thing for the few veggies
that are hard for our digestion to break up? Carotenes in carrots
in particular, I seem to remember, are more bioavailable with
sensible cooking.
George Cherry
"Juhana Harju" <shant...@despammed.com> wrote in message
news:3qisssF...@individual.net...
Thanks for posting these studies and hints:
I'm almost convinced to take out the insurance
of juicing some of my raw vegetables. I give
away my juicer years ago and must now buy
another one. Have you any suggestions?
George
George Cherry
"TC" <tund...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1128545683....@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
He didn't say that there wasn't.
> Which and how many other nutrients are being dump in the garbage can?
We compost 'em.
George Cherry
You're very kind to waste time on this obvious extremist.
George Cherry
"John Sankey" <bf...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
news:di2jrb$ao5$1...@theodyn.ncf.ca...
Yes, cooking some vegetables (tomatoes, broccoli,
and spinach come to mind) can give a nutrient
bonus. But the study quoted by Juhana suggests
there are benefits from juicing SOME veggies. Seek
a middle way: some whole raw, some cooked, and
some juiced. The middle way is often the best way.
The question I still have is whether blending raw veggies
in a powerful blender, and drinking the whole thing, might
achieve the same nutrient advantages as juicing???
George
OmManiPadmeOmelet
"Juhana Harju" <shant...@despammed.com> wrote:
There is no such thing as an "essential carbohydrate" and taking
encapsulated vitamins is more efficient, and you get to avoid pesticides
and environmental toxins that way.
He has a point.....
Juhana Harju
: Thanks for posting these studies and hints:
: I'm almost convinced to take out the insurance
: of juicing some of my raw vegetables. I give
: away my juicer years ago and must now buy
: another one. Have you any suggestions?
Twin gear type juicers are the best but they are expensive. They preserve
most of the enzymes.
--
Juhana
Juhana Harju
: In article <3qjq4gF...@individual.net>,
: "Juhana Harju" <shant...@despammed.com> wrote:
:: montygram wrote:
::: - -
::: Don't bother with the vegetables at all.
::
:: Are you serious? Any references that abstaining from vegetables
:: altogether would be healthy?
:
: There is no such thing as an "essential carbohydrate" and taking
: encapsulated vitamins is more efficient, and you get to avoid
: pesticides and environmental toxins that way.
Veggies are more than just carbs. They contain phytochemicals that you
cannot get from capsules.
: He has a point.....
I don't think so.
--
Juhana
Juhana Harju
: On Thu, 6 Oct 2005 23:42:29 +0300, "Juhana Harju"
: <shant...@despammed.com> wrote:
:
: How can a juicer preserve enzymes?
Fast rotating centrifugal juicers kill enzymes but slowly rotating twin gear
juicers preserve them.
http://www.gerson.org/g_therapy/faq.asp?id=26
--
Juhana
George Cherry
Nor do I. There are tons of data to support that
abstaining from vegetables would be unhealthy.
George
George Cherry
Hmmm. I guess my Vita-Mix is battering the
enzymes into nonenzymatic slime. But my
wife will argue that the kitchen counter is al-
ready too crowded.
George
George Cherry
"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <Ome...@brokenegz.com> wrote in message
news:Omelet-AB3256....@corp.supernews.com...
> In article <3qjq4gF...@individual.net>,
> "Juhana Harju" <shant...@despammed.com> wrote:
>
>> montygram wrote:
>> : - -
>> : Don't bother with the vegetables at all.
>>
>> Are you serious? Any references that abstaining from vegetables
>> altogether
>> would be healthy?
>
> There is no such thing as an "essential carbohydrate" and taking
> encapsulated vitamins is more efficient, and you get to avoid pesticides
> and environmental toxins that way.
Errr. Are we talking on this newsgroup about merely
avoiding deficiency--or are we talking about optimizing
one's diet. And would you really rather eat an organic
orange or pop ascorbic acid?
> He has a point.....
> --
> Om.
>
> "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack
> Nicholson
Most oaths aren't meant literally.
Bush is not literally an "asshole"
or "dunce" or "sh-t head".
GWC
George Cherry
<taur...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:iu3bk15d39qf5so4n...@4ax.com...
The claim made by the twin gear manufacturers
is that their gentle, cool juicing spares enzymes.
John Sankey
Just to note that there are three kinds of "juicers". Usually
several kinds are combined in one machine.
1. a rotating cone to mash the inside of citrus fruit halves
then strain out the pulp
2. a chopper+masher+strainer that permits only the finest
solid components of veggies to reach the drinker, and
3. a high-speed blender for things like carrots that simply
turns everything to mush, including the fiber.
Nutritionally, they are very different.
George Cherry
And none of them is a twin-gear juicer.
Juhana Harju
: On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 00:19:13 +0300, "Juhana Harju"
: <shant...@despammed.com> wrote:
: Which enzymes are destroyed by that type of juicing.
There are several classes of enzymes that are preserved by proper juicing.
The was a time when I investigated the subject but at the moment I can not
find my sources and those studies I am recalling.
--
Juhana
Juhana Harju
: On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 00:19:13 +0300, "Juhana Harju"
: <shant...@despammed.com> wrote:
:
::: How can a juicer preserve enzymes?
::
:: Fast rotating centrifugal juicers kill enzymes but slowly rotating
:: twin gear juicers preserve them.
: The enzymes in raw food are totally inactivated by the strong acid
: environment in the stomach. So how can those enzymes help anyone.
They are inactivated _temporarily_ by the stomach acids.
: We don't need the enzymes in raw food for digestion purposes. Our
: body makes digestive enzymes.
We don't need them necessarily but they have health benefits.
--
Juhana
John Sankey
>> Just to note that there are three kinds of "juicers". Usually
>> several kinds are combined in one machine.
>> 1. a rotating cone to mash the inside of citrus fruit halves
>> then strain out the pulp
>> 2. a chopper+masher+strainer that permits only the finest
>> solid components of veggies to reach the drinker, and
>> 3. a high-speed blender for things like carrots that simply
>> turns everything to mush, including the fiber.
>> Nutritionally, they are very different.
>And none of them is a twin-gear juicer.
A twin-gear juicer is type 2.