brain function continues after death - comments please?
Jay Tanzman
-Jay
mnt
SteveHarass and Alf Anti-christian for proof.
your not OT, after death the brain continues it's nutrition based process
only it's not the one you want happening.
Steve Harris
"mnt" <als...@home.com> wrote in message
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> also, the brain dead continue to post to Usenet, read John "the conman"
> SteveHarass and Alf Anti-christian for proof.
Ah, a posting from "mnt" (my neurons: two). No doubt an expert in this
matter.
>
> your not OT, after death the brain continues it's nutrition based process
> only it's not the one you want happening.
Two neurons held together by a spirochete. Hey, CEEPH, we've found a
function for the little buggers.
Jay Tanzman
DawnoftheForest wrote:
>
> x-no-archive:yes
>
> Sorry, I failed to notice that high horse you rode in on Jay :-) I thought the
> article was interesting, and I did get many replies.
Why would you? This is a nutrition newgroup.
> Personally, I had problems with the study and I presented the article where I
> knew intelligent people posted - ( intelligent for the most part that is), to
> obtain other opinions.
>
> Do you not discuss brain function here?
We discuss nutrition here. How difficult is this for you to understand?
> I have seen posts here regarding the
> actions of drugs and herbs, vitamins and foods on the brain's function.
Three out of four of those subjects would be on-topic for this newsgroup. Can
pick out the one that's not?
-Jay
"One of these things is not like the other"
-Sesame Street
Jay Tanzman
DawnoftheForest wrote:
>
> x-no-archive:yes
>
> Sorry, I failed to notice that high horse you rode in on Jay :-) I thought the
> article was interesting, and I did get many replies.
Why would you? This is a nutrition newgroup.
> Personally, I had problems with the study and I presented the article where I
> knew intelligent people posted - ( intelligent for the most part that is), to
> obtain other opinions.
>
> Do you not discuss brain function here?
We discuss nutrition here. How difficult is this for you to understand?
> I have seen posts here regarding the
> actions of drugs and herbs, vitamins and foods on the brain's function.
Three out of four of those subjects would be on-topic for this newsgroup. Can
you pick out the one that's not?
mnt
> Ah, a posting from "mnt" (my neurons: two). No doubt an expert in this
> matter.
Terrible.
> > your not OT, after death the brain continues it's nutrition based
process
> > only it's not the one you want happening.
>
> Two neurons held together by a spirochete. Hey, CEEPH, we've found a
> function for the little buggers.
Weak.
John 'the Man'
> Jay Tanzman jtan...@sph.llu.edu
> Flame away Jay - you seem to be an expert with no apparent life anyway -
just
> don't email me again
> please.
> You have a college addy but I see no evidence of intelligence- what do you
do
> there? Janitor?
> Also , your extreme reaction to my post regarding NDE's tells me more
than I
> wanted to know about you. No one else here had a problem with it,
> I wonder why? Is this your personal newsgroup, or do others opinions
matter?
Brings back fond memories of the Jay that I used to know. :-)
My twit filter must be working. :-)
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John 'the Man'
> Do you not discuss brain function here?
One should always accept the response of the public graciously. :-)
On this ng packaging counts as much as content, if not more. Just ask
Wuzzy.
Participants discuss almost anything on this ng. Religion has been discussed
quite a bit. Just ask Steve, our resident MD. It is simply a matter of
approaching the subject matter correctly.
I myself would prefer to discuss anything other than 'are cookies
fattening?' And, I am personally interested in anything related to the
mind, or what I describe as ATTITUDE.
I would suggest that your SUBJECT LINE was a big turn off. Why not
something along the lines of just 'brain function'?
I re-read your original post. It appears to have been a direct quote of an
article from Reuters. I found the article too long and covering too many
different subject areas. Also, I kept saying to myself: I do NOT believe
what your post was saying. You would have done better, by posting the
original abstract and a hyperlink to the reuters article that quoted only
one or two interesting paragraphs.
Also, I would suggest that you try limiting more the subject area of your
post. The Reuters refers to 'Near-death experiences'.
I did a Medline search on 'Near-death experiences' and turned up 35
abstracts on the subject at:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?CMD=Limits&DB=PubMed
Searching on "life after death" I turned up 22 abstracts. Such as:
"Nurses may legitimately agree that current research at least points to the
possibility of continuation of life after death."
Vinter M. An insight into the afterlife? Informing patients about near death
experiences.
Prof Nurse. 1994 Dec;10(3):171-3. PMID: 7862685
In short, I suggest that you narrow the scope of your post. Provide an
abstract or two. Add a catchy and short subject line and re-post to this
ng.
MARK DORAN
You are now killfiled.
"DawnoftheForest" <dawnoft...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> x-no-archive:yes
>
> Here is my profile for you Jay - just so you know who you are flaming :-)
>
>
> Member Name: Dawn Kirchner
>
> Location: USA / Deutchland
>
> Sex: Female
>
> Marital Status: Not interested
> unless Roark come by :-)
>
> Hobbies: Reading, hikes in the forest, herbology, sailing, tennis.
>
> Computers: IBM Think Pad
>
> Occupation:Writer / Ice Princess - NOT a "people person".
>
> Personal Quote:"He bent the branch slowly into an arc. Now I can make what
I
> want of it, a bow, a spear, a cane, a railing. That's the meaning of
life"
> Howard Roark in Ayn Rand's "The Fountainhead".
Nuclear
the body has ceased to perform its nutritional fuelled processes. The soul
continues after death of the physical body. This phenomenon has been
reported in disparate world cultures that have had absolutely no contact
with each other for millennia. Hard to prove all this scientifically though
unless lots of people volunteered to be put to death and then attempts were
made to resuscitate them. I suspect the mortality rate would be quite high.
"DawnoftheForest" <dawnoft...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> x-no-archive: yes
>
> Scientist Says Mind Continues After Brain Dies
>
> By Sarah Tippit
> Reuters
>
> LOS ANGELES - A British scientist studying heart attack patients says he
is
> finding evidence that suggests that consciousness may continue after the
brain
> has stopped functioning and a patient is clinically dead.
>
> The research, presented to scientists last week at the California
Institute of
> Technology (Caltech), resurrects the debate over whether there is life
after
> death and whether there is such a thing as the human soul.
>
> "The studies are very significant in that we have a group of people with
no
> brain function ... who have well-structured, lucid thought processes with
> reasoning and memory formation at a time when their brains are shown not
to
> function," Sam Parnia, one of two doctors from Southampton General
Hospital in
> England who have been studying so-called near-death experiences (NDEs),
told
> Reuters in an interview.
>
> "We need to do much larger-scale studies, but the possibility is certainly
> there" to suggest that consciousness, or the soul, keeps thinking and
reasoning
> even if a person's heart has stopped, he is not breathing and his brain
> activity is nil, Parnia said.
>
> He said he and colleagues conducted an initial yearlong study, the results
of
> which appeared in the February issue of the journal Resuscitation. The
study
> was so promising the doctors formed a foundation to fund further research
and
> continue collecting data.
>
> During the initial study, Parnia said, 63 heart attack patients who were
deemed
> clinically dead but were later revived were interviewed within a week of
their
> experiences.
>
> Of those, 56 said they had no recollection of the time they were
unconscious
> and seven reported having memories. Of those, four were labeled NDEs in
that
> they reported lucid memories of thinking, reasoning, moving about and
> communicating with others after doctors determined their brains were not
> functioning.
>
> FEELINGS OF PEACE
>
> Among other things, the patients reported remembering feelings of peace,
joy
> and harmony. For some, time sped up, senses heightened and they lost
awareness
> of their bodies.
>
> The patients also reported seeing a bright light, entering another realm
and
> communicating with dead relatives. One, who called himself a lapsed
Catholic
> and Pagan, reported a close encounter with a mystical being.
>
> Near-death experiences have been reported for centuries but in Parnia's
study
> none of the patients were found to have received low oxygen levels, which
some
> skeptics believe may contribute to the phenomenon.
>
> When the brain is deprived of oxygen people become totally confused,
thrash
> around and usually have no memories at all, Parnia said. "Here you have a
> severe insult to the brain but perfect memory."
>
> Skeptics have also suggested that patients' memories occurred in the
moments
> they were leaving or returning to consciousness. But Parnia said when a
brain
> is traumatized by a seizure or car wreck a patient generally does not
remember
> moments just before or after losing consciousness.
>
> Rather, there is usually a memory lapse of hours or days. "Talk to them.
> They'll tell you something like: 'I just remember seeing the car and the
next
> thing I knew I was in the hospital,"' he said.
>
> "With cardiac arrest, the insult to the brain is so severe it stops the
brain
> completely. Therefore, I would expect profound memory loss before and
after the
> incident," he added.
>
> Since the initial experiment, Parnia and his colleagues have found more
than
> 3,500 people with lucid memories that apparently occurred at times they
were
> thought to be clinically dead. Many of the patients, he said, were
reluctant to
> share their experiences fearing they would be thought crazy.
>
> A TODDLER'S TALE
>
> One patient was 2-1/2 years old when he had a seizure and his heart
stopped.
> His parents contacted Parnia after the boy "drew a picture of himself as
if out
> of his body looking down at himself. It was drawn like there was a balloon
> stuck to him. When they asked what the balloon was he said, 'When you die
you
> see a bright light and you are connected to a cord.' He wasn't even 3 when
had
> the experience," Parnia said.
>
> "What his parents noticed was that after he had been discharged from
hospital,
> six months after the incident, he kept drawing the same scene."
>
> The brain function these patients were found to have while unconscious is
> commonly believed to be incapable of sustaining lucid thought processes or
> allowing lasting memories to form, Parnia said -- pointing to the fact
that
> nobody fully grasps how the brain generates thoughts.
>
> The brain itself is made up of cells, like all the body's organs, and is
not
> really capable of producing the subjective phenomenon of thought that
people
> have, he said.
>
> He speculated that human consciousness may work independently of the
brain,
> using the gray matter as a mechanism to manifest the thoughts, just as a
> television set translates waves in the air into picture and sound.
>
> "When you damage the brain or lose some of the aspects of mind or
personality,
> that doesn't necessarily mean the mind is being produced by the brain. All
it
> shows is that the apparatus is damaged," Parnia said, adding that further
> research might reveal the existence of a soul.
>
> "When these people are having experiences they say, 'I had this intense
pain in
> my chest and suddenly I was drifting in the corner of my room and I was so
> happy, so comfortable. I looked down and realized I was seeing my body and
> doctors all around me trying to save me and I didn't want to go back.
>
> "The point is they are describing seeing this thing in the room, which is
their
> body. Nobody ever says, 'I had this pain and the next thing I knew my soul
left
> me."'
>
> 09:45 06-28-01
>
> Copyright 2001 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved.
DawnoftheForest
>
>Look, kindly clear off with your boring, off-topic crap.
>
>You are now killfiled.
>
Wow , I feel so honored - another open minded male I see :-) I bet you even
drive a penis car don't you?
*Dawn*
DawnoftheForest
>Date: 7/7/01 8:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <3b47...@news.iprimus.com.au>
>
>Incorrect to say "brain function continues after death" since death means>the
body has ceased to perform its nutritional fuelled processes. The
soul>continues after death of the physical body. This phenomenon has
been>reported in disparate world cultures that have had absolutely no contact
>with each other for millennia. Hard to prove all this scientifically though
>unless lots of people volunteered to be put to death and then attempts
were>made to resuscitate them. I suspect the mortality rate would be quite
high.
>
Hello Nuclear,
Thank you for a reply that was not a flame - I knew intelligent life existed
here :-)
I think proof of a soul's existence would be impossible to come by
without, as you stated, actually killing people and reviving them, and even
then the results could be skewed.
Personally, I think since we are all basically water and energy, something of
us might exist after death. You can't kill energy after all.
Whether what exists would be intelligence is another question.
It is comforting however, to look up into the night sky and know that
something in me could have been part of a star many light years from earth.
I do not believe in any god in the classic sense, but I do allow for scientific
theory and basic physics.
Thank you for your thoughts *Dawn*
DRCEEPHD
>From: dawnoft...@aol.com (DawnoftheForest)
>Date: 7/7/01 8:51 PM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: <20010707215148...@ng-mn1.aol.com>
> I think proof of a soul's existence would be impossible to come by
>without, as you stated, actually killing people and reviving them, and even
>then the results could be skewed.
>
There was one attempt to measure the possible mass of the soul. An MD actually
weighed people while in the act of dying. He found an unexplained weight loss
of about one ounce, or 28 grams as about an average. Similar results were not
found with animals ( i.e. no weight loss ).
>Personally, I think since we are all basically water and energy, something
>of
>us might exist after death. You can't kill energy after all.
According to Bechamp’s research, there is still life after death. The body
has in its makeup minute organisms which he termed microzymas. The microzymas
were not subject to being killed in normal conditions. He found that they also
survived the act of dying and assisted in the decay of the body. He even
cultured microzymas from chalk deposits that were millions of years old. He
came to the conclusion that the microzymas were physiologically immortal and
continued to be recycled throughout living creatures.
Don't know if this is of interest, but it is for me.
Dr. C. Ph.D.
mnt
"i think therfore i am" I don't think so.
"DawnoftheForest" <dawnoft...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Paul Rogers
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> Scientist Says Mind Continues After Brain Dies
Clearly off topic -- and also very uninteresting. Those are my comments.
Paul R
John 'the Man'
> "DawnoftheForest" <dawnoft...@aol.com> wrote ...
> > Scientist Says Mind Continues After Brain Dies
> Clearly off topic -- and also very uninteresting. Those are my comments.
> Paul R
Borderline Quack and all so boring! -- Those are my comments. :-)
99% of ALL threads on this ng spin off totally unrelated
conversations, that seem to go on forever. I heard on the radio today a
health (?) news story on this health (?) report. Have you?
Just exactly what constitutes scientific research, ... medical research, ...
health related research?
Exactly how does one define the term "mind?" Define brain death vs. living
in an unconscious coma for 20 years.
Exactly what role does the psycho-biological / mind - body model of natural
health play in health?
Exactly how does one scientifically study the role played by your mind in
your own health, as well as in death?
Have the standards of scientific journals / Reuters gone down hill /
tabloid?
mnt
middle class, industry has no use for them so the governments created a
welfare system to babysit these lost children.
every once in a while a real scientist comes around and gets lost in the
shuffle.
what do you know abut crap? bullshitter,
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Jay Tanzman
DawnoftheForest wrote:
>
> x-no-archive:yes
>
> Here is my profile for you Jay - just so you know who you are flaming :-)
>
> Member Name: Dawn Kirchner
>
> Location: USA / Deutchland
>
> Sex: Female
>
> Marital Status: Not interested
> unless Roark come by :-)
>
> Hobbies: Reading, hikes in the forest, herbology, sailing, tennis.
>
> Computers: IBM Think Pad
>
> Occupation:Writer / Ice Princess - NOT a "people person".
>
> Personal Quote:"He bent the branch slowly into an arc. Now I can make what I
> want of it, a bow, a spear, a cane, a railing. That's the meaning of life"
> Howard Roark in Ayn Rand's "The Fountainhead".
I'm getting hit on and flamed by the same person in the same thread?
-Jay
Paul Rogers
news:3B48A311...@sph.llu.edu...
>
> DawnoftheForest wrote:
>>Ice Princess - NOT a "people person".
> I'm getting hit on and flamed by the same person in the same thread?
Doesn't look promising <g>.
(Unless you be son of Roark . . .)
Paul R
mnt
The living being, filled with microzymas, carries in itself the elements
essential for life, disease, death and destruction. And that this variety in
results may not too much surprise us, the processes are the same. Our
cellules, it is a matter of constant observation, are being continually
destroyed by means of a fermentation very analogous to that which follows
death. Penetrating into the heart of these phenomena we might really say,
were it not for the offensiveness of the expression, that we are constantly
rotting.
BTW what you are talking about is absolute blasphemy, a short while ago,
with this type of talk, the flames would have been real and at your feet
Slash Tilde
on what was reported by subjects upon being brought back to life. I think
it's well documented that the human recall process is faulty. I could hardly
accept as proof what someone claims to have experienced.
"DawnoftheForest" <dawnoft...@aol.com> wrote in message
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DawnoftheForest
>Date: 7/8/01 1:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <20010708012539...@ng-fe1.aol.com>
Thanks Dr. C.
I find that very interesting indeed - and I plan to continue searching.
*Dawn*
DawnoftheForest
>From: "mnt" als...@home.com
>Date: 7/8/01 2:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <54T17.115377$Q9.28...@news1.elmhst1.il.home.com>
>
>if you think about it, one cannot prove there is life before death either,>"i
think therfore i am" I don't think so.
Hello -
True enough, I never remembered a thing from before I was born - and I have
never spoken to anyone who remembered being in the womb :-) *Dawn*
DawnoftheForest
>Date: 7/8/01 7:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <VR527.118621$Q9.29...@news1.elmhst1.il.home.com>
^
^
What? If that is directed at me I don't understand it , sorry. I don't follow
organized religions, so the word blasphemy has had little meaning in my life. *
Dawn*
DawnoftheForest
>
Sorry BUT -
I am no one's son:-) My Nordic ancestors made me 100% female. (Those women
did know how to handle an ax though, I'll give em that!) If a man like Roark
is around,
I will be his lover, no question! I've been waiting forever for him. *Dawn*
DawnoftheForest
>From: Jay Tanzman jtan...@sph.llu.edu
>Date: 7/8/01 2:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <3B48A311...@sph.llu.edu>
>
>
>
>DawnoftheForest wrote:
>>
>> x-no-archive:yes
>>
>> Here is my profile for you Jay - just so you know who you are flaming :-)
>>
>> Member Name: Dawn Kirchner
>>
>> Location: USA / Deutchland
>>
>> Sex: Female
>>
>> Marital Status: Not interested
>>
>> Hobbies: Reading, hikes in the forest, herbology, sailing, tennis.
>>
>> Computers: IBM Think Pad
>>
>> Occupation:Writer / Ice Princess - NOT a "people person".
>>
>> Personal Quote:"He bent the branch slowly into an arc. Now I can make what
>I
>> want of it, a bow, a spear, a cane, a railing. That's the meaning of life"
>> Howard Roark in Ayn Rand's "The Fountainhead".
>
>I'm getting hit on and flamed by the same person in the same thread?
>
>-Jay
>
If you thought I hit on you I have a bridge for sale, cheap:-) *Dawn*
John 'the Man'
> never spoken to anyone who remembered being in the womb :-) *Dawn*
Actually, most of us do have these memories.
We existed in the womb, were born, and lived as babies before we developed
our language skills. All memories prior to language are non-verbal
memories. Non-verbal memories are stored loosely speaking in the
right-brain.
Learning how to walk is just as much a right-brain / non-verbal memory as
learning to excel at a sport or some other physical activity undertaken
today.
The use of right / left-brain terminology does have merit backed up by
scientific research even though it is NOT 100% correct or valid for all
individuals. [I have checked this out on Medline. :-)] Nor, is any other
scientific explanation of any health phenomena totally 100% correct, either.
You can always add new layers of micro-details.
These non-verbal memories of the womb are there. It just a matter of
accessing them. And, even if you did, you probably would not be able to
relate to them verbally.
mnt
matters of faith one way or another it shows ignorance and is blasphemy, in
the middle ages the "flames" would come from being burned at the stake by
the keepers of the faith.
religion is not of topic in this group because almost all religions are
based on a hallucinogenic species of fungi, this has to do with
sci,med,nut. this branch of science is named ethnomycology. Dr R G
Wasson and his russian wife Valentina Pavlovana got the movement
mushrooming(pun), he was a VP at Morgan Bank NYC.
the most followed organized religion in the world today is Science, the
foolishness in this NG is a form of prayer.. what do you think is going on
here?
of"DawnoftheForest" <dawnoft...@aol.com> wrote in message
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mnt
"think" does not prove you are alive, for all you know a bowl of soup can
also "think". (notice how i stay on topic at all times)
as long as you got me going, Remembering is not the same as thinking,
memory takes place on the outside of the brain where nutrients are always
available, thinking takes place deep inside the brain where nutrients are
not always available,
"DawnoftheForest" <dawnoft...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Steve Harris
Don't mistake this sort of "personals-ad" stuff as being anything other than
standard Randroidian narcissism.
SBH
mnt
mind for a few days now.
All memories prior to language are non-verbal
> memories. Non-verbal memories are stored loosely speaking in the
> right-brain.
this is not fair, your pulling my leg right? duh, last time i checked
only symbols can be stored in the mind, these symbols are stored in many
locations and every night the brain resorts them and puts them into new
storage locations, these are what dreams( in your case wet dreams), are
Johnny.
i can't take this anymore, Johnny no more baby talk yu are a big boy, look
up the networks that create speech they are called, the Lexical (stores
definitions), the Lemma (syntax) and the Lexeme(sounds), I can't believe
you are going to start talking about the mind john boy. please stop, your
killing me.
>
> Learning how to walk is just as much a right-brain / non-verbal memory as
> learning to excel at a sport or some other physical activity undertaken
> today.
What?
>
> The use of right / left-brain terminology does have merit backed up by
> scientific research even though it is NOT 100% correct or valid for all
> individuals.
what are you drinking?
[I have checked this out on Medline. :-)] Nor, is any other
> scientific explanation of any health phenomena totally 100% correct,
either.
Uhaa??
> You can always add new layers of micro-details.
You can?
>
> These non-verbal memories of the womb are there. It just a matter of
> accessing them. And, even if you did, you probably would not be able to
> relate to them verbally.
Johnny i think you have suffered a stroke, can you move your arms? your
feet? are you typing or do you have Dragon Speak?
this is no fun at all Johnny, i knew you were stupid but had no idea how
stupid untill now. Why don't you stick to tormenting fat people it's what
you do best.
su-t...@webtv.net
Randroidian.
Ann Rand, the writer.
susan, su_texas my opinions
Alf Christophersen
wrote:
> Sorry BUT -
> I am no one's son:-) My Nordic ancestors made me 100% female. (Those women
>did know how to handle an ax though, I'll give em that!) If a man like Roark
>is around,
>I will be his lover, no question! I've been waiting forever for him. *Dawn*
Sorry to say, but I have big difficulties to see some differences btw
our women and the US women :-) (Except for ratio of super-obese women
which is much higher in US, but unfortunately, the differences in
ratio becomes smaller and smaller since more and more people over here
tend to become obese too. Looking too much on soap-opera and eating
too much fried potatoes while looking. Far too much bread and circus
to the people it seems like :-)
DawnoftheForest
>Date: 7/8/01 11:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <1j927.119327$Q9.29...@news1.elmhst1.il.home.com>
>
>the blasphemy remark was a joke for DrC, if a person tries to prove
>matters of faith one way or another it shows ignorance and is blasphemy,
in>the middle ages the "flames" would come from being burned at the stake
by>the keepers of the faith.
>
Okay, sorry - I thought it was somehow meant for me a :-)
>religion is not of topic in this group because almost all religions are
>based on a hallucinogenic species of fungi, this has to do with
>sci,med,nut. this branch of science is named ethnomycology. Dr R G>Wasson
and his russian wife Valentina Pavlovana got the movement>mushrooming(pun), he
was a VP at Morgan Bank NYC.
LoL , yes , hallucinations are very prevelant in religions. They are also
prevalent in mental hospital wards, but that is another story- or is it?
>the most followed organized religion in the world today is Science,
the>foolishness in this NG is a form of prayer.. what do you think is going
on>here?
>
Science is not a religion at all, as science is based in fact and reality, not
fantasy and delusion. *Dawn*
DawnoftheForest
>From: "Steve Harris" sbhar...@ix.netcom.com
>Date: 7/8/01 11:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <9ib929$uhm$1...@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>
>
>Don't mistake this sort of "personals-ad" stuff as being anything other
than>standard Randroidian narcissism.
>
>SBH
I expected that from a man. Yes, I do have very healthy self esteem - why
shouldn't I? With the epidemic of self doubt surrounding us today, I think it
is to be commended.
Men are usually very threatened by me - and Ms. Rand's philosophy also :-) That
is why I want a man like Howard Roark - he would never feel threatened. Where
are all of the real men? *Dawn*
John 'the Man'
Well, since you are persisting in this topic ... :-(
I think the real question is: Would Howard Roark want to marry you?
You ask: "Where are all of the real men?"
I ask "Where are all the truly feminine Females?" If women can be
demanding in their choice of partners, so can the men. And, I have very
high standards. So, does Roark. Do you measure up? :-)
mnt
remember my first time, i showed up euro-style (four hours late and very
drunk) for a saturday nite movie date,,,,,,if i recall that type of headlock
and face plant is called a Bulldog,,,,the second time i ran away, american
women can run fast too.
"Alf Christophersen" <alf.chris...@basalmed.uio.no> wrote in message
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Jay Tanzman
DawnoftheForest wrote:
> Men are usually very threatened by me - and Ms. Rand's philosophy also :-) That
> is why I want a man like Howard Roark - he would never feel threatened. Where
> are all of the real men?
Sitting at their computers rolling their eyes.
-Jay
FurPaw
Mmf. Reminds me a bit of the old saying,
"She who wait for knight in shining armor on white horse, clean
up after horse."
Many of Ayn Rand's followers are men. I don't understand why a
woman would be a follower, at least from the point of view of the
roles of male and female in her ideal world.
FurPaw (female, last I checked)
FurPaw
DawnoftheForest wrote:
> Science is not a religion at all, as science is based in fact and reality, not
> fantasy and delusion. *Dawn*
Oh, dear. Don't we all wish. Science is performed by
scientists, who are human beings, subject to the emotions and
wishes and needs and politics that come in the package. As one
recent example, consider the problems encountered in gaining
acceptance of the helicobacter pylori theory of gastric ulcers.
In the history of science, 'fact' and 'reality' have changed
frequently, and no doubt will continue to do so. Nonetheless,
science is preferable to some of the alternatives.
FurPaw
fur...@home.com
mnt
mate by a process similar to animals in the wild. a yin finds a yan.
in your case Johnny, two of your multiple personalities found each other
and fell in love.
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mnt
>
> Science is not a religion at all, as science is based in fact and reality,
not
> fantasy and delusion. *Dawn*
i agree but i only repeat what some russian scientist said, i forgot his
name, you can't trust them anyway.
DRCEEPHD
>Date: 7/9/01 10:11 PM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: <3B4A7013...@DOGGIEhome.com>
The helicobacter pylori theory of ulcers is nothing more than a modern day
pervasion of science. We have found bacteria, ergo...the bacteria have caused
the disease. Such baloney.
Dr. C. PhD.
Steve Harris
"DRCEEPHD" <drce...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> The helicobacter pylori theory of ulcers is nothing more than a modern
day
> pervasion of science. We have found bacteria, ergo...the bacteria have
caused
> the disease. Such baloney.
More than that. If you give antibiotics the ulcers go away much faster than
if you don't.
Steve Harris
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>
>
> DawnoftheForest wrote:
>
> > Science is not a religion at all, as science is based in fact and
reality, not
> > fantasy and delusion. *Dawn*
>
> Oh, dear. Don't we all wish. Science is performed by
> scientists, who are human beings, subject to the emotions and
> wishes and needs and politics that come in the package. As one
> recent example, consider the problems encountered in gaining
> acceptance of the helicobacter pylori theory of gastric ulcers.
The theory was widely accepted within 5 years after it was promulgated.
Which is just about enough time for other scientists to perform studies of
their own and thoroughly verify it. It's an urban myth that H. pylori
represents
some failure of science.
Steve Harris
And sneering. Don't forget sneering. And smoking a cigarette with an $ on
it, waiting for Dagney...
su-t...@webtv.net
from what little i have read about it so far, Ayn Rand seems to have
written about objectivism, etc.
many years ago, i read a chapter in a book, that was written by a guy
who had tried most of the religions of the world.
he said, that in life it is important to find a new idea, religion, or
whatever, .. to fall passionately in love with it & live it, .. & to
learn all that you can about it.
then, you outgrow it, fall out of love, & move on, .. but in the
meantime, you can have learned & grown in some positive & productive
ways, if you have chosen wisely & well.
he said that this was an excellent way to learn, about new ideas &
things, & about life & living.
whenever i fall in love with a new idea, i try to remember what he said,
in order to give it some balance & a better perspective.
another chapter in his book was titled Someone To Watch Over Me, & it
was quite interesting also, .. but that is another subject.
---------------------------
falling passionately in love with ideas, especially those you have read
about, is an experience that you have in common with many people.
college students are especially susceptible/prone to these "highs" from
new ideas, because usually they have not yet learned the skills
necessary, to process it well or to use it wisely.
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we each fall in love with ideas, & with all the twists & turns
concerning them, that we can create/develop in our own minds, because it
is fun.
it must trigger some brain candy/rewards of some kind (like maybe some
adrenalin & endorphin rushes?).
at times like that, it is easy to become very self-absorbed.
when this happens, i try to stop, go outside, walk around, observe,
rethink, & refocus.
when i look around at the many wonders of nature, & can re-realize that
i "aint nothing much" or "all that special" by comparison, i can then
relax again & get on with my life, in a more positive & productive
manner.
however, at times, it is lots of fun to fall in love with ideas, & to
see where the mind can really go.
it's sort of like driving a really fine, sleek, expensive, new sports
car, aint it?
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the mind can go almost anywhere, when the rest of the body cant. (i am
injured.)
now that i have found & have access to the internet [albeit webtv
(sigh)], i try to find exciting new ideas & info, many times daily.
this seems to be excellent nourishment for the spirit & the mind, & it
keeps hope alive.
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uh .. concerning Ayn Rand, .. i hope you are not smoking.
smoking-related illnesses killed her, but before they did, they probably
made her life & living hell.
talented & gifted people, often have a really dumb & destructive side
also.
when & if you copy others, always try to copy what was best in them.
anyone can be self-destructive.
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it is fun to see other people, who are excited about falling in love
with ideas, & who are learning.
it is a new beginning, a birth.
susan, su_texas my opinions
Alf Christophersen
>when's the last time you had your ass kicked by an american woman? i
>remember my first time, i showed up euro-style (four hours late and very
>drunk) for a saturday nite movie date,,,,,,if i recall that type of headlock
>and face plant is called a Bulldog,,,,the second time i ran away, american
>women can run fast too.
I can't remember when I last time tried to date an american woman :-)
Maybe around 1975 I had one as a neighbour, but it never came to such
interests :-)
So I have never experienced to be kicked by an american woman :-)
(Maybe the danger of that would be a very good argument for never
visiting your country!)
Steve Harris
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>
> we each fall in love with ideas, & with all the twists & turns
> concerning them, that we can create/develop in our own minds, because it
> is fun.
How about falling in love with idea of using your cap key occasionally, so
that you don't appear to be a cockroach named archie who has discovered
webtv.
mnt
added you to his insect petting zoo, i am some kind of worm, you are a
cockroach and the good doctor is afraid of bugs so we do not have to worry
about being eaten by him.
have you found a gimmick yet? you know like Howard is the fat guy, DrC is
old fashoned guy, Steve the anti-milk guy, the overworked lab tec girl,
everybody but you and me have a gimmick. i may have found one,
i wanted to be the colon cleanser guy but they are everywhere these days,
and that might be off topic even though thats where nutrients enter the body
too. so i got a good one and i doubt if anybody is going to copy it. I am
going to be the anti-fish guy.
i wanted you to be the first to know, the reason i want to be the anti fish
guy is because of that fishmonger Alf Christianson, did you read what he
has been saying about America? he makes about 5 anti-American statments per
week. i will fix his waterlogged tugboat for him.
hope things are good with you.
The Anti-Fish Guy.
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i like most people, & i am usually not combative or challenging of
others.
i choose to just relax & enjoy reading & learning.
quentin & alf were two of the first people's posts that i read here,
then i started reading john's.
they have taught me a lot, for which i am very grateful.
i believe that alf is also into mathematics, but i could not work his
sample problem, so i gave up. (that was many months ago, but i think
that was his homepage.)
i am very injured, & have to read about medical testing mostly, so i
cant read many nutrition posts.
however, i find the discussions, when i can read them, fascinating.
in a given thread, i will usually read all the posts at one time, after
it gets rather long.
it is very difficult for me to dislike people, even steve, the doc-guy
who is demanding that i visit capitols (or was it use capitols?)
whatever.
STEVE is probably just NOT RISING fast enough, to catch the DAWN ...
:)
susan, su_texas my opinions
FurPaw
Steve Harris wrote:
>
> "FurPaw" <furpa...@DOGGIEhome.com> wrote in message
> news:3B4A7013...@DOGGIEhome.com...
> >
> > Oh, dear. Don't we all wish. Science is performed by
> > scientists, who are human beings, subject to the emotions and
> > wishes and needs and politics that come in the package. As one
> > recent example, consider the problems encountered in gaining
> > acceptance of the helicobacter pylori theory of gastric ulcers.
>
> The theory was widely accepted within 5 years after it was promulgated.
> Which is just about enough time for other scientists to perform studies of
> their own and thoroughly verify it. It's an urban myth that H. pylori
> represents
> some failure of science.
The theory of bacterial causes of ulcers is an old and much maligned
theory, dating back to the 19th century.
See Kidd M, Modlin IM. A century of Helicobacter pylori. Pardigms lost
- paradigms regained. Digestion 59:1-15, 1998.
Quoting from the abstract:
"The investigation of gastric bacteria properly began in the latter half
of the nineteenth century when microscope resolution had sufficiently
advanced. Whilst a bacterial etiology was demonstrated for dysentery,
tuberculosis and syphilitic ulcers, problems in the isolation
and culture of pure strains circumvented a role for bacteria in gastric
pathology. Furthermore, dogma and the intellectual chorus were in
harmony advocating that gastric acid was critical in ulcer disease.
The consideration of a role for a pathogen or pepsin was regarded
as whimsical in the context of mucosal ulceration. Indeed, the effects
of acid inhibitory agents were held as gospel truth whilst the use of
antibiotics or metallic ions were deemd to be quackery or at least ill
judged. Nonetheless, spiral-shaped bacteria had been identified in
both mucosa and gastric contents of patients as early as 1889.
Elegant studies had documented the infectivity of these organisms,
and suggested but not proven a causative role in gastric disease.
The prescient identification by Doenges of organisms associated
with gastritis in both man and monkey, was buried by the
observations of Palmer, and an opportunity for early progress lost. It
required two decades and Antipodean pathological perspicacity to
elucidate the warren of previous archaic gastric bacterial
misinformation. The subsequent marshalling of clinical and
pathological data established the fatal flaw in the mucosa to be
bacteria and not only acid on the mucus shore."
FurPaw
mnt
the jokes and insults, i like your writing style did you get it from E.E.
Cummings? i hope more funny people join up, i am too lazy to web surf so i
get my health news from this spot,
i have found snake oil to be the best cure.
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Steve Harris
"Chris Malcolm" <c...@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote in message
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>. It's a shame philosophical therapy is still in its infancy, since >one of
the major psychiatric problems for which medication
> shows no promise, and which seems ideally fitted to this new
> form of therapy, is enthusiasm for the philosophy of Ayn Rand.
True of most personality disorders. If you look up the criteria for
narcissistic personality disorder (NPD), and you know anything of the life
of Ayn Rand, you came to the conclusion that they should have a picture of
her in the DSM IV section on NPD.
John 'the Man'
"Steve Harris" <sbhar...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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You mean that they should have a picture of Steve Harris in in the DSM IV
section on NPD?
Don't you?
mnt
"Chris Malcolm" <c...@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote in message
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> Except that Mehitabel's admirer was a poet.
>
> --
> Chris Malcolm c...@dai.ed.ac.uk +44 (0)131 650 3085
> School of Artificial Intelligence, Division of Informatics
> Edinburgh University, 5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK
> [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/daidb/people/homes/cam/ ] DoD #205
su-t...@webtv.net
by Don Marquis, Donald Robert Perry Marquis
Don Marquis (1878-1937), a writer, who lived in the small town of
Walnut, Ilinois.
archy is a once famous poet, who comes back in the form of a roach, &
lives in the garage of Don Marquis, along with other assorted
characters/individuals, who are in similar straits.
by night, archy types his heart out, using the old rusted typewriter of
Don Marquis.
archy hits one key at a time with great difficulty, & he uses no
punctuation or capitols. (shift-less?)
mehitabel is an alley cat who was once Cleopatra.
& so it goes.
http://www.batteiger.com/archy
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limits
through circumstances, archy is now limited by his being a cockroach.
there are limits imposed on all of us, at every point of our lives, ..
but we can still choose to live & enjoy life, in spite of those.
when i was a child, i was in severe & bizarre birth-family abuse, which
i barely survived.
when at my grandparent's house, i could slip away for a brief moment
sometimes, & read a little bit in an old set of encyclopedias, before
being found, hurt, & punished.
one of the poems was about limits, how they affect us, & how we can
overcome them, .. or i thought it was about that at the time. (my
perspective)
the poem went something like:
we'll no more go a-roving
so deep into the night,
though the stars be in the heavens,
& the moon be still as bright.
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we will always recognize, & feel a bit of sorrow & regret, concerning
our limitations of the moment.
but even though our bodies are sometimes trapped (for whatever reason),
our minds can still go anywhere, & do anything.
when i was a child, i was trapped by abuse, but i still chose to have
hope & survive, to learn, & to enjoy life & living.
now as an adult, i am trapped by physical injuries (though not from
abuse).
circumstances.
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isnt the mind an amazing gift?
susan, su_texas my opinions
mnt
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mnt
what to do with the unlimited freedom we enjoy, you would line up with all
the other euros and asians and wait for somebody in a uniform to tell them
what to do next. in america you do whatever the hell you want anytime you
want to do it . except for food, everybody seems to eat the same, few,
simple foods.
mnt
> LoL , yes , hallucinations are very prevelant in religions. They are also
> prevalent in mental hospital wards, but that is another story- or is it?
>
no, it's on topic, Most if not all people in mental hospitals are there
because they come from families with poor eating habits, did you see what
Grady put up? more or less he said "Food and mood are not related"
I got news for you, mood is related to food and very few other things.
Alf Christophersen
>the only reason you would have for not visiting my country is not knowing
>what to do with the unlimited freedom we enjoy, you would line up with all
>the other euros and asians and wait for somebody in a uniform to tell them
>what to do next. in america you do whatever the hell you want anytime you
>want to do it . except for food, everybody seems to eat the same, few,
>simple foods.
So, if I want to sit down on the lawn outside your house, I'm free to
do so ??
Well, you make me laugh becasue you don't know at all what freedom is.
But, that is not the reason why I haven't visited your country. First
of all, it's too expensive. And two, I would rather use my sparetime
for other things. Like visiting other parts of my own country or
neighbour countries, like Sweden, Denmark and Finland (I do not live
in Sweden, even if you think so)
Steve Harris
su-t...@webtv.net wrote in message
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archy & mehitabel ... interesting.
by Don Marquis, Donald Robert Perry Marquis
Don Marquis (1878-1937), a writer, who lived in the small town of
Walnut, Ilinois.
archy is a once famous poet, who comes back in the form of a roach, &
lives in the garage of Don Marquis, along with other assorted
characters/individuals, who are in similar straits.
by night, archy types his heart out, using the old rusted typewriter of
Don Marquis.
archy hits one key at a time with great difficulty, & he uses no
punctuation or capitols. (shift-less?)
mehitabel is an alley cat who was once Cleopatra.
& so it goes.
Comment: see, you can get an education on usenet. But it
does no good if you don't apply it.
>when i was a child, i was in severe & bizarre birth-family abuse, which
>i barely survived.
>when at my grandparent's house, i could slip away for a brief moment
>sometimes, & read a little bit in an old set of encyclopedias, before
>being found, hurt, & punished.
And this prevents you from using the cap key?
>one of the poems was about limits, how they affect us, & how we can
>overcome them, .. or i thought it was about that at the time. (my
>perspective)
the poem went something like:
we'll no more go a-roving
so deep into the night,
though the stars be in the heavens,
& the moon be still as bright.
===================
You can do a web search on Lord Byron and "roving" and
get the whole text if you like.
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>now as an adult, i am trapped by physical injuries (though not from
>abuse).
Injuries that prevent you from using the cap key? I don't think so.
Steve Harris
John 'the Man' wrote in message
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No. I never started a philosophy in which I claimed I had the correct
formula to tell
all scientists how to think. Rand did.
I generally don't think science is an conspiracy, or that I know more than
any given
profession about what that profession studies, or how they should do it.
Nor do I believe that any science-based profession is filled with fools.
Such
statements are how you can recognize narcissists. See any resemblance
to anybody in this newsgroup?
SBH
mnt
lousy I am not kidding, I am from europe and we had our own food not long
ago, then it became harder to find now i eat american food, Baltic Sprats
are my favorite food of all, can't find them anywhere.
we have total freedom in america, believe it.
"Marcus E Engdahl" <meng...@cc.hut.fi> wrote in message
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> In article <Hu937.128727$Q9.31...@news1.elmhst1.il.home.com>,
> mnt <als...@home.com> wrote:
>
> >the only reason you would have for not visiting my country is not knowing
> >what to do with the unlimited freedom we enjoy,
>
> Unlimited freedom in the US? Unlimited freedom to sue and get sued,
perhaps? In
> the US I just noticed the unprecedented amount of restrictions on my
personal
> freedom. You must be blind if you haven't noticed the forest of signs that
> forbid you to do things that are allowed in countries where people are
trusted
> to have working brains.
>
> Marcus
>
mnt
"Alf Christophersen" <alf.chris...@basalmed.uio.no> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 04:14:31 GMT, "mnt" <als...@home.com> wrote:
>
> >the only reason you would have for not visiting my country is not knowing
> >what to do with the unlimited freedom we enjoy, you would line up with
all
> >the other euros and asians and wait for somebody in a uniform to tell
them
> >what to do next. in america you do whatever the hell you want anytime
you
> >want to do it . except for food, everybody seems to eat the same, few,
> >simple foods.
>
> So, if I want to sit down on the lawn outside your house, I'm free to
> do so ?
first i would warn you about the insect spray
> Well, you make me laugh becasue you don't know at all what freedom is.
maybe not, but we have compassion for all beings, american people are
gentle and peaceful by nature, it must be the beef and fried potatoes that
make us this way. (25% of veggie eaten are potatoes)
>
> But, that is not the reason why I haven't visited your country. First
> of all, it's too expensive.
it's expensive because of the strong demand for all things american
And two, I would rather use my sparetime
> for other things. Like visiting other parts of my own country or
> neighbour countries, like Sweden, Denmark and Finland (I do not live
> in Sweden, even if you think so)
ever been to Riga?
mnt
years ago i saw the girls twin brother, he was dirty and looked sick, he
was left out in the rain with no coat and nothing to eat, i never met his
parents but my friends wife would not allow her boy to play with him or let
him in their house.
the girl had a heart attack.
"Steve Harris" <sbha...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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fingers are strong & quick in some ways.
however, the injuries in Jan 1998, almost killed me, plus they took away
most of the use of my hands for a long time.
as a consequence, i almost starved to death, etc., & ended up eating at
the hospital cafeteria here for about a year, until the injuries in my
hands & jaws worsened.
by then, i had learned enough (invented some new ways), to prepare & eat
some food at home.
i keep fighting to get some function back, & i do have some successes
for a while.
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it hurts a lot (plus it is awkward for me now), to put pressure on
anything with my fingers, including the keys of my webtv.
i still type, because i have the need to share & to learn, & it helps
take my mind off the pain, etc.
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i am still hopeful of reaching good medical testing, diagnosis, & care,
with what i am learning on the internet, & with my excellent health
insurance that is good anywhere.
but most of the doctors are still not cooperating, due to the flaws in
the medical system here in Texas & Louisiana, .. & also due to their
oft-stated-desire to hold down costs for the insurance companies, by
refusing see injuries, to do most testing, & or to offer care. (cold!)
i am PPO through the USPO (& not HMO) with 100% paid, but the docs cant
seem to see/understand the difference.
in this area, the docs mostly just push the bad & expensive drugs (like
antidepressants & tranquilizers}, which i was savvy/experienced enough
to refuse this time.
there also seems to be a lack of good test equipment here, as well as
the expertise & desire to use what little equipment is already here. ???
one recent success: i just had motion xrays DMX of my neck, & the
report was very thorough & detailed, which is good.
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i capitalize as little as possible, because of the pain & inconvenience.
also, after the strokes (from injuries), i have trouble
holding/remembering thoughts when i write.
when i stop to capitalize, i usually forget what i was writing/thinking,
& cannot continue.
when i finish writing it, i can go back & capitalize a few words, before
i get too tired.
i also have to spend a lot of time, correcting all my grammatical
mistakes, misspelling, word switching, letter switching, etc.
head & spine injuries (& the resulting strokes) do that, you know.
enuf? "calf rope"?
[no more CAPS. no more CAPS. no more CAPS.]
:)
susan, su_texas my opinions
PS i am very tired. i just got home from driving over 400 miles today,
in search of testing & diagnosis in Dallas.
so far, Dallas = Zero
mnt
joke that the peopple in the suburbs pay 5 times more for a house because
thye get to live in the america of 100 years ago rather than in the modern
america.
you may be right about freedom. i myself am free but it's still true we
have millions in jail for the crime of being poor and black. i do not watch
tv or read newspapers i only know what people tell me so i am out of touch
with politics and world events. once in a while i will be at somebodys
house and the news is on, i am shocked by what i see. it is bad for the
digestive system to follow politics.
"Marcus E Engdahl" <meng...@cc.hut.fi> wrote in message
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> In article <yzr37.131130$Q9.32...@news1.elmhst1.il.home.com>,
> mnt <als...@home.com> wrote:
>
> >we have total freedom in america, believe it.
>
> How come it feels like one of the least free western countries while one
is
> there? Believe me, it does.
>
> Marcus
John 'the Man'
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> On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 04:14:31 GMT, "mnt" <als...@home.com> wrote:
Please excuse 'mnt' for being the stereo-typical American Asshole who thinks
that nobody outside the USA has a life. :-(
Each year, America receives a huge number of legal and illegal immigrants.
They all have one thing in common. They are ALL extremely greedy!!! :-(
For, 'mnt' a life not built around greed does NOT compute. :-(
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> In article <yzr37.131130$Q9.32...@news1.elmhst1.il.home.com>,
> mnt <als...@home.com> wrote:
>
>
is
> there? Believe me, it does.
>
> Marcus
You have true freedom in America, provided that your annual income is in the
150 million dollar plus range. :-(
John 'the Man'
> John 'the Man' wrote in message
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> >
> >"Steve Harris" <sbhar...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> >news:9ihisl$vjm$1...@slb7.atl.mindspring.net...
> >>
> >> "Chris Malcolm" <c...@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote in message
> >> news:9ihh4i$8f$1...@scotsman.ed.ac.uk...
> >> >. It's a shame philosophical therapy is still in its infancy, since
>one
> >of
> >> the major psychiatric problems for which medication
> >> > shows no promise, and which seems ideally fitted to this new
> >> > form of therapy, is enthusiasm for the philosophy of Ayn Rand.
> >>
> >>
> >> True of most personality disorders. If you look up the criteria for
> >> narcissistic personality disorder (NPD), and you know anything of the
> life
> >> of Ayn Rand, you came to the conclusion that they should have a picture
> of
> >> her
> >
> >You mean that they should have a picture of Steve Harris in in the DSM IV
> >section on NPD?
> >
> >Don't you?
> No. I never started a philosophy in which I claimed I had the correct
> formula to tell
> all scientists how to think. Rand did.
No, ... Just a philosophy of sugar is better than honey. :-(
Hmn, ... Your philosophy is mighty flat! At least Ann Rand's philosophy of
objectivism has some depth to it.
> Such
> statements are how you can recognize narcissists. See any resemblance
> to anybody in this newsgroup?
I will be a true narcissist when I get my website officially medically
accredited. I have applied. And, it is just a matter of time. :-)
Alf Christophersen
>> So, if I want to sit down on the lawn outside your house, I'm free to
>> do so ?
>
>first i would warn you about the insect spray
If you tried that here, police would quickly come at a visit
threatening someone for a legal action. It is legal here to sit on
your lawn :-) (It is irritating when it happens, so most people don't
do so, but not because it is illegal) It is everyone's right to walk
in the forests as long as you don't harm anything.
>ever been to Riga?
No, why should I ??
Alf Christophersen
<De...@NaturalHealthPerspective.com> wrote:
>You have true freedom in America, provided that your annual income is in the
>150 million dollar plus range. :-(
Not more ?? Thought you need to be Bill Gates to have any kind of true
freedom over there :-)
mnt
"mnt" <als...@home.com> wrote in message
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mnt
cyberspace and anything goes. sounds like a car wreck ended your chance for
a normal, happy, natural life. I am sure you know this but very few
people get any type of good life in this world, Thats why "better living
through chemistry" caught on as fast as it did.
a web site you may be interested in, www. brainplace.com it's about the
brain and how it works after trauma. i am afraid the good doctor is a pill
pusher but look at what he is selling before you turn it down.
there are many drugs that can help a brain work in a normal healthy way,
Good food, fresh air and sunshine will not do the job, It is wishful
thinking to want a healthy, natural, lifestyle, I wish natural healers
were right but those days are long gone, never to return. Nowadays
everybody must take anti-depressants and similar medications,
go for brain SPECT imaging, try this doctor he is qualified and knows the
model used by Dr Amen.
Paul Warren, M.D.
17103 Preston Rd., Suite 288
North Dallas, TX. 75248
(972)250-0498
Marvin Nelson
Would you believe I've never been beat up by a woman? Nor for that matter a
man. I'm afraid mnt's view of the world differs greatly from mine. Of
course I am a transplanted Scandinavian (great-grandparents and grandparents
came to US mostly in 1890's) and so still think of things in my cultural
context. Confirmation in many of the Lutheran churches here is still
called "reading for the minister" by most members. Leutifisk is our
cultural delicacy which I realize most Norwegians no longer eat, but how
much "fresh fish" could early settlers get, so it was crates of dried cod
which was turned into leutifisk in large crocks every farmer had in his
cellar.
Democrats constantly limiting our use of our land and property. Republicans
want unlimited freedom for big business, but constantly limit individuals,
seem to spend a lot of time worrying about who or what you are having sex
with. Hard to get excited about either party.
I look at our town here, and if we took about 20 people out of the
community, we'd get by just fine without police, though they are nice to
have for parades. The image everyone seems to have that everyone sues
everyone all the time is not really true. Most of the time when people are
injured physically or financially, they don't sue, some social groups are
experts at complaining. I notice most Scandinavians here mark it to
experience as to who to do business with, and wait to get their chance to
get it back.
We are so wasteful here, we build for short term and build again when we
need to. It is truly a consumer society.
North Dakota still allows hunting on private land without permission unless
it is posted no trespassing, but I believe we are the last state to do so.
A couple of farmers who had some hunters camp and hunt for several days on
their land without asking permission found out where one of the hunters
lived (he was a doctor) and they went down and camped in his back yard
without asking. To the doctor's credit he didn't say anything except feel
free to use the bathroom, and now they are good friends.
Here we tend to distrust anyone from east of the Mississippi River.
Especially when they come to "help" us. It is hard to trust someone when
they are telling you that wolves won't attack people under any
circumstances, that ducks breed in the water, and that fox and skunks don't
eat eggs for breakfast. Of course they usually fly in on a jet, drive out
in the biggest vehicle made (one person per vehicle) and tell you they are
there to help you farm in a sustainable manner. Then they tell you to do
things that would destroy the environment and your family in quick order.
Fortunately, if you ignore them long enough they tend to go away. I wish I
knew where they could meet mnt's women friends.
Best Wishes,
Marv
"Alf Christophersen" <alf.chris...@basalmed.uio.no> wrote in message
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su-t...@webtv.net
Paul Warren, MD, seems to be a childrens & ADD doctor in Dallas, who
does SPECT scans.
Daniel G. Amen, MD, ( http://www.amenclinic.com ) seems to have clinics
in Fairfield & Newport Beach, Ca., & hw is board certified in child,
adolescent, & adult psychiatry & nuclear medicine.
he is interested in behavioral medicine, ADD, & SPECTs.
his books are at http://www.mindworkspress.com
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i dont have behavioral or ADD problems, & i am not a child.
i also dont believe that taking antidepressants or tranquilizers (except
very infrequently to get some sleep), can be good or beneficial for most
people's health or lives.
these drugs can significantly damage the body & fog up the mind &
senses, .. & they can delay a person's reaching any good or competent
medical care for illness, injury, abuse, etc., until it is too late.
sometimes, real world situations should be faced, thought about, & dealt
with, .. not just ignored & medicated.
only the worst doctors are buying into, the medicate, ignore, & further
harm patients syndrome.
a good doctor will go into detail & recommend books & websites for
further reading, concerning nutrition, .. & they will stress walking,
flexing, etc.
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in Jan. 1998, i was badly injured, by the ongoing, unsafe conditions at
a shopping mall here, in a "fall" & slide on pavement.
there was a concealed unmarked drop-off (a wheelchair ramp) in the
sidewalk.
it is located, right outside the front door of a store, & also behind a
large building support that is in the sidewalk there.
i have a long foot which acted as a lever, .. i went up in the air out
of my shoes, .. went sideways & forwards, .. & hit out in the parking
lot & slid.
because there are no longer, enforceable legal penalties for
unsafe/dangerous conditions like this in Texas, .. the store, mall,
their insurance company, etc., are still refusing to mark the wheelchair
ramp.
in 1998, i met with politicians, including Bush, but none of them cared
or would help.
the attorneys say that the bad laws that ended our rights, were the Tort
Reform of 1995 & the $750,000 limit on damages.
so i wrote:
businesses dont have to be safe any more,
now that Texas has passed it's new laws.
they can cripple & maim us for free now,
& laugh, enjoy watching us fall.
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concerning Dr. Amen, there is an interesting brain SPECT picture &
explanation at http://www.mindworkspress.com/mp/scans/scans.asp
another interesting site that i stumbled on, while checking out your
lead is http://www.drspectscan.com , J. Michael Uszler, MD at UCLA,
Santa Monica, CA, who is interested in quantitative regional brain
mapping, & also in ADD (attention deficit disorder).
Dr. Uszler has had 20 years of SPECT experience, .. & the brain
therapies that he is recommending, are hyperbaric oxygen therapy &
biofeedback therapy, which i know almost nothing about.
------------------
on the internet, i am reading about fMRI, qEEG, MEG, PET, SPECT,
fluoroscopy, ultrasound, motion studies, etc., & trying to find the very
best testing & diagnosis for head, spine, & body injuries.
susan, su_texas my opinions
Randall Burlew
> Hmn, ... Your philosophy is mighty flat! At least Ann Rand's philosophy
of
> objectivism has some depth to it.
Ayn Rand was an entertaining novelist, not a philosopher. I must admit
I still have a certain fondness for her novels, but her philosophical
attempts were just simply handwaving. Its not like she didn't have
the time before she died, either. Atlas Shrugged was finished in 1957
so she had about 20 years after that to define her philosophy and
couldn't.
She believed in rugged individualism, but also believed that everyone
must believe exactly as she did. That attitude drove most of the people
around her away, including the man she thought was most like
Howard Roark. So I wouldn't try patterning my life after hers...
She did, however, at one time exert considerable influence over
the current chairman of the Federal Reserve, Alan Greenspan.
Randy
mnt
anything out of life you are free.
But the point was, the food in america is still lousy and getting worse,
what the hell is going on?
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mnt
given time 80% of the officers in american Fortune 500 Companies are under
felony indicment, people mind their own business, you could starve to
death on a city street and nobody would look twice.
> >ever been to Riga?
>
> No, why should I ??
That's where my lawn is.
mnt
right. and it aint cheap. and for you information i am not an american
asshole i am a British subject.
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mnt
trauma, 50% of ADD continues into adulthood. it's true the drugs do not
cure but they do help, i did not say you have ADD, Aman is an army trained
doctor with combat experience, he knows brains inside and out. i suggest
his site because he is a decent man and has a lot of information he is happy
to share with the world, not many doctors are as highly trained as him plus
he is a good writer. i have read all his books and learned a great deal on
how the mind works.
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Alf Christophersen
<flaxfo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>context. Confirmation in many of the Lutheran churches here is still
>called "reading for the minister" by most members. Leutifisk is our
>cultural delicacy which I realize most Norwegians no longer eat, but how
>much "fresh fish" could early settlers get, so it was crates of dried cod
>which was turned into leutifisk in large crocks every farmer had in his
>cellar.
Good to hear someone who enjoys the lutefisk :-) (Even though it is
modern style to state they do not like lutefisk, lutefisk is being
more and more popular. All restaurants before Christmas do serve it
and it may be difficult to get it because there are too many who want
to have it for their dinner just before Christmas.
Marvin Nelson
Lutefisk suppers are alive and well in North Dakota. The smoked sheep's
heads did not make it here.
Best Wishes,
Marv
"Alf Christophersen" <alf.chris...@basalmed.uio.no> wrote in message
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mary sunshine
>That
> is why I want a man like Howard Roark - he would never feel threatened.
what if he's not het?
what if he's so into himself that he just has to have another male as
perfect as himself?
ever considered the possibility?
>Where
> are all of the real men?
in cowboy bars?
how about a "Real Woman" like yourself ... wouldn't SHE be a turn on
for you?
mary sunshine
(sorry, i just figured that since we're off topic anyway, why not go
for it ...)
Alf Christophersen
<flaxfo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Alf,
>
>Lutefisk suppers are alive and well in North Dakota. The smoked sheep's
>heads did not make it here.
Well, if you miss that one, try to ask a local restaurant in advance
of the season and ask them to put it on the menu :-)
It take some time to prepare if they are not allowed to import it from
Norway or Iceland. (And possibly the local authority will deny them
anyway. Norwegians in Berlin has great difficulties to import lutefisk
to Berlin. Customs several years in row denied import of what they
considered was rotten foodstock. And with sheep brains there is some
concern around prion diseases)
John 'the Man'
> how about a "Real Woman" like yourself ... wouldn't SHE be a turn on
> for you?
>
> mary sunshine
>
> (sorry, i just figured that since we're off topic anyway, why not go
> for it ...)
Lesbianism is the ultimate conclusion of the Women's Liberation Movement.
:-(
That is why ALL Bush Munchers are Creeps! :-(
... since we're off topic anyway