Did Natural Health Cure My Infected Jaw/cheek?
Mr-Natural-Health
morning with what felt like an infected Jaw/cheek. My left jaw, just
below my ear lobe, in a fleshy part of the skin, I could obviously feel
a lumpy mass of inflamed flesh. It was painful to eat food.
I did not do anything to treat the problem on Friday. On Saturday, I
took it more seriously and decided that the problem must be due to an
infection inside my mouth. So, I started out gargling with H2O2.
Nothing happened. So, I then preceded to stuff my left cheek full of
cotton balls soaked in H2O2. Still no relief. So, by the end of
Saturday I decided to give up on the H2O2. And, switched to vitamins.
20,000 IU's of vitamin A. And, 30 mg of Zinc. Plus two grams of
vitamin C. I woke up twice Saturday night and took two more grams of
vitamin C each time.
On Sunday morning, eating applesauce and drinking a cold Pepsi was
painful. I repeated my dosage of vitamin A and Zinc. I took two more
grams of vitamin C. Still nothing happened. In fact, it felt like the
infection had traveled up to my left ear. I was convinced by early
Sunday afternoon that I would have to see a doctor on Monday. I
repeated taking 2 grams of vitamin C a couple of more times. Then at
approximately 6 pm on Sunday, I ate some chicken pain free. I felt
remarkably better. My ear ache had disappeared. I again took two more
dosages of 2 grams of vitamin C, a few hours apart.
The fleshy spot below my ear lobe still feels slightly sore, but it is
no longer painful to eat. And, what ever I had it sure managed to go
from one extreme to the other in the space of a few hours on Sunday,
New Year's Day 2006. And, I no longer have that feeling that an
infection in your face/ear gives you.
So, tell me scientists: What cured my inflamed jaw/cheek?
I do not know for sure, but I sure as heck will try vitamin C the next
time this problem happens again.
--
john gohde
Steven Bornfeld
I'm more concerned with what may have caused the pain and swelling than
speculating about if and how vitamin c may have "cured" the problem.
You should be examined. If I were a betting man, I'd guess that you
have a sialadenitis of the parotid gland. This may be caused by a stone
in the duct, and if so it is likely that the pain and swelling will recur.
My recommendation is to be examined by an oral and maxillofacial surgeon.
Steve
>
montygram
these kinds of "stones," and then the inflammation is enhanced greatly.
But nobody can tell this individual much, because he thinks he is some
sort of "nature boy," and that he has all the answers. I'm surprised
he didn't claim that the Pepsi cured him.
Steven Bornfeld
I assumed as such. But I just thought I'd post appropriate advice anyhow.
Steve
john...@naturalhealthperspective.com
Maybe it was a stone or what ever?. Maybe the vitamin C dissolved the
stone? Maybe, vitamin C got rid ot the infection or what ever?
Once I actually got an appendicitis attack, but it went away all by
itself. It came back years later, and I thought that it would probably
go away again. And, waited too long to go to the hospital. If this
problem happens again, then I might know what it is.
The last time, I went to the doctor they gave me so much grief over
absolutely nothing that I really don't think that they would respond
too well to a request to examine a non-existing problem. Of course,
they would be happy to screw me on the bill for their services.
I have suffered through out my life from a number of different
problems.
At one time, my hands used to lock up from some type of a neurological
problem. I used also to suffer from corporal tunnel syndrome because
my hands would tingle all the time.
The fact that my taking vitamin E might have cured or at least managed
my neurological problems without the need of a cackle of doctors, is
something that you people don't want to accept. I have had no repeated
episodes of my hands locking up in about 20 years.
The way I look at it, you are NOT dead until you are dead. So, far
the other people in my age bracket are dropping dead faster than me. :)
Just thought that you might want to know.
Steven Bornfeld
john...@naturalhealthperspective.com wrote:
>
>
> Maybe it was a stone or what ever?. Maybe the vitamin C dissolved the
> stone? Maybe, vitamin C got rid ot the infection or what ever?
The history of these things is that attacks tend to be episodic. The
pain and swelling may spontaneously remit, then relapse.
Any comment I made regarding vitamin C would be pure speculation.
Of course, if the condition has completely resolved, it may well be
more difficult to determine the cause of your recent attack. But if
there is any residual pain or swelling, or if the symptoms return, try
to get in to a surgeon promptly. This will make determining the cause
easier.
Steve
Brian Gordon
Steven Bornfeld <dentalt...@earthlink.net> wrote:
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>Mr-Natural-Health wrote:
>> [...]
>> So, tell me scientists: What cured my inflamed jaw/cheek?
Perhaaps, 'tincture of time"? For all we know, your tries at cure slowed down
nature's own cure. That's the trouble with anecdotes.
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JohnDoe
> I do not know precisely what I was suffering from, but I woke up Friday
> morning with what felt like an infected Jaw/cheek. My left jaw, just
> below my ear lobe, in a fleshy part of the skin, I could obviously feel
> a lumpy mass of inflamed flesh. It was painful to eat food.
Didn't you claim just recently that you were in perfect health and
impervious to any and all infedtions because of your perfect
healthcondition?
> I did not do anything to treat the problem on Friday. On Saturday, I
> took it more seriously and decided that the problem must be due to an
> infection inside my mouth. So, I started out gargling with H2O2.
> Nothing happened. So, I then preceded to stuff my left cheek full of
> cotton balls soaked in H2O2. Still no relief. So, by the end of
> Saturday I decided to give up on the H2O2. And, switched to vitamins.
> 20,000 IU's of vitamin A. And, 30 mg of Zinc. Plus two grams of
> vitamin C. I woke up twice Saturday night and took two more grams of
> vitamin C each time.
>
> On Sunday morning, eating applesauce and drinking a cold Pepsi was
> painful. I repeated my dosage of vitamin A and Zinc. I took two more
> grams of vitamin C. Still nothing happened. In fact, it felt like the
> infection had traveled up to my left ear. I was convinced by early
> Sunday afternoon that I would have to see a doctor on Monday. I
> repeated taking 2 grams of vitamin C a couple of more times. Then at
> approximately 6 pm on Sunday, I ate some chicken pain free. I felt
> remarkably better. My ear ache had disappeared. I again took two more
> dosages of 2 grams of vitamin C, a few hours apart.
>
> The fleshy spot below my ear lobe still feels slightly sore, but it is
> no longer painful to eat. And, what ever I had it sure managed to go
> from one extreme to the other in the space of a few hours on Sunday,
> New Year's Day 2006. And, I no longer have that feeling that an
> infection in your face/ear gives you.
>
> So, tell me scientists: What cured my inflamed jaw/cheek?
Your immune system. But you obviously have to work on it since it
apparently is not as perfect yet as you claimed it is, or you would not
have gotten this inflammation in the first place now would you.
> I do not know for sure, but I sure as heck will try vitamin C the next
> time this problem happens again.
Oh yes please do. One of these days it's bound to be something your
immune system can't cope with and the gene pool will be better of for it.
> --
> john gohde
cathyb
JohnDoe wrote:
> Mr-Natural-Health wrote:
> > I do not know precisely what I was suffering from, but I woke up Friday
> > morning with what felt like an infected Jaw/cheek. My left jaw, just
> > below my ear lobe, in a fleshy part of the skin, I could obviously feel
> > a lumpy mass of inflamed flesh. It was painful to eat food.
>
> Didn't you claim just recently that you were in perfect health and
> impervious to any and all infedtions because of your perfect
> healthcondition?
John, John (shakes head sadly). Were you expecting consistency from an
alternaut?
Happy New Year,
Cathy
Mr-Natural-Health
> Didn't you claim just recently that you were in perfect health and
> impervious to any and all infedtions because of your perfect
> healthcondition?
NO! Never!
And, anybody who claims that they never get is a liar.
What I do claim is a quick recovery time.
I went to work Thursday nauseated. As expected, I recovered in about 3
hours. I did throw up about 3 times in the process. The next day, I
discovered that eating food was painful. So, I thought: Gee this
might have something to do with me throwing up the day before? I did
nothing about it. The problem got worst. A lot worst. When I finally
tried using vitamin C after initially having bought into all your crap
about vitamin C the problem resolved within a few hours.
I know precisely why I got nauseated, too. It came from a headache
that started the day before. The headache comes from a chronic dental
problem from one specific 'amalgam shadow' on my upper jaw. I had all
my teeth extracted in '91. When I had all my rotten teeth, I had major
big time dental headaches. I took 3 adult size aspirins every night
for at least 10 years. After, I started wearing dentures. These
dental headaches quickly dissappeared. I had virtually no problems or
dental headaches for at least 10 years. But, lately these dental
headaches have developed.
Finally, I went to a dentist about this problem. He refused to do
anything about it because he said it was a medical problem. No teeth,
therefore no nerves, therefore no pain, therefore no problem. Yet, it
still manages to get me occasionally nauseated. So, I theorized that
my jaw must be getting inflamed from infections. That theory is not
working completely, but it seems to help.
That is the problem with conventional medicine. Nobody takes
responsibility for solving these types of unique problems. Heck,
conventional medicine even refuses to admit that I have a problem at
all.
Actually, I have a long history of problems with the left side of my
face which started with a fractured cheek bone and the medical
treatment to cure it. The left side of my face ended up totally numb
for approximately 10 years. Somehow, over time the numbness went away
and now it feels totally normal.
Again, a few years back I had a thyroid problem again only on the left
side of my face. That feeling was totally different from this feeling.
Again, I did absolutely nothing about it for 2 or 3 months. Finally I
went to the doctor. She diagnosed it as a thyroid problem. And, she
screwed me on a bunch of unnecessary blood tests. I self medicated
with vitamins and the thyroid problem self-corrected within one month.
I will probably have problems with the left side of my face until I
die, Jack. What is your problem? Got a bug up your arse?
Mr-Natural-Health
> Of course, if the condition has completely resolved, it may well be
> more difficult to determine the cause of your recent attack.
Yes, as of this morning the problem appears to be have completely
resolved. And, I do not see how 'Patient First' or any HMO in the
country would take my complaints seriously at this point.
Mr-Natural-Health
Call me crazy Monty, but what I am supremely confident about is the
fact that dietary PUFAs in general had absolutely nothing to do with my
problem. :)
By the way, Pepsi makes a great laxative. It might actually cure your
bug-up-the-arse problem.
Just thought that you might want to know, that you must be really
desperate to try to make a PUFA connection.
You have my condolences.
Mark & Steven Bornfeld
Considering your symptoms are typical for a real, identifiable and
rather common condition, I don't know why you would say this, unless it
is a comment on your perception of the quality of the HMOs in question.
Steve
--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http://www.dentaltwins.com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001
Mr-Natural-Health
Mark & Steven Bornfeld wrote:
> Considering your symptoms are typical for a real, identifiable and
> rather common condition, I don't know why you would say this, unless it
> is a comment on your perception of the quality of the HMOs in question.
> --
> Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
> http://www.dentaltwins.com
> Brooklyn, NY
> 718-258-5001
Since, you appear to be a dentist can you be a little bit more
specific? What do you call this common condition? What is the usual
course of treatment? What kind of a doctor does the treatment?
The dentist that I had talked too sure was not very helpful.
Mark & Steven Bornfeld
Again the standard disclaimer: I haven't examined you, this is just a
speculation based upon your description of the symptoms.
I believe the most likely diagnosis is sialadenitis, perhaps combined
with sialolithiasis (salivary stones). The treatment depends upon the
cause. If it is a stone, standard treatment is removal, which may
require canulization or surgery. Oral surgeons do this commonly.
Steve
Mr-Natural-Health
Steven Bornfeld wrote:
> If I were a betting man, I'd guess that you
> have a sialadenitis of the parotid gland. This may be caused by a stone
> in the duct, and if so it is likely that the pain and swelling will recur.
We were basically both right on this issue. :)
Vitamin C did the trick.
I had the right cure, but specified the wrong reason. Saliva excretion
is stimulated by ascorbic acid and that is what apparently did the
trick.
I found out a few interesting things.
#1 Saliva excretion is stimulated by ascorbic acid.
#2 Impaired salivary flow is a common, chronic, autoimmune,
inflammatory connective tissue disease, that is similar to autoimmune
thyroiditis. (Autoimmune thyroiditis could be what I have, or was
recently suffering from?)
http://www.nuclearmedicinecomm.com/pt/re/nucmedcomm/abstract.00006231-200210000-00014.htm;jsessionid=D5wYfaCMd2x758GeomlB5dQqr0VAUnV2FZgpsr1U8kfGo6b10G8B!-1094538453!-949856144!9001!-1
Nonneoplastic disorders of the parotid gland.
Neonatal submandibular sialadenitis. Am J Otolaryngol. 1980
May;1(3):261-263.
... Treatment with essential fatty acids and vitamin C. Med Hypotheses.
...
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/picrender.fcgi?artid=1010775&blobtype=pdf
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john gohde
montygram
Crit Rev Clin Lab Sci. 1998 Apr;35(2):153-87.
Pathogenesis of idiopathic calcium nephrolithiasis: update 1997.
Baggio B, Plebani M, Gambaro G.
Institute of Internal Medicine, School of Medicine, University of
Padua, Italy.
Idiopathic calcium nephrolithiasis (ICN) is a frequent disease in
Western countries. The physicochemical theory of lithogenesis, which
explains stone formation by the precipitation, growth, and crystalline
aggregation of lithogenic salts in the urine, has contributed greatly
to the understanding of the pathogenesis of calcium urolithiasis.
However, several aspects are still unexplained; the co-existence of
familial occurrence, primary tubular dysfunctions with ICN, and
anomalies in the systemic handling of oxalate and calcium led to the
development of a cellular hypothesis of ICN. A number of cellular
defects in the handling of ions has been reported that involves both
anion and cation transport. These anomalies are probably the expression
of a still unknown cellular defect in idiopathic calcium stone formers.
We suggested that an anomaly in the cell membrane composition might be
responsible for the complex array of cell ion flux abnormalities
observed in ICN. Recently, a disorder in the n-6 polyunsaturated fatty
acid series has been described; it is characterized by a lower linoleic
acid content and a higher arachidonic acid concentration in both plasma
and erythrocyte membrane phospholipids of renal calcium stone patients.
This anomaly could cause an increased activity of ion carriers;
furthermore, it may lead to increased prostaglandin synthesis and to
secondary phenomena at the kidney, skeletal, and intestinal level. As a
consequence, critical conditions for lithogenesis in the kidney may
ensue. The data suggest a common pathogenesis for hypercalciuria and
hyperoxaluria. The systemic defect in the phospholipid arachidonic acid
level may be both of dietary or genetic origin; experimental data
suggest that the increase in delta-6 desaturase activity, the limiting
enzyme in the metabolic pathway of polyunsaturated fatty acids, might
be relevant to the pathogenesis of lipid abnormalities observed in
nephrolithiasis and to the pathogenesis of ICN and its related problems
(at the kidney, intestinal, and bone level).
On to this particular condition:
J Oral Sci. 2004 Dec;46(4):227-33.
Extracellular matrix molecules in chronic obstructive sialadenitis:
an immunocytochemical and Western blot investigation.
Teymoortash A, Mandic R, Schrader C, Werner JA.
Department of Otolaryngology, Head and Neck Surgery, Philipps
University, Marburg, Germany. teym...@med.uni-marburg.de
The exact pathomechanism of inflammation progress and fibrosis in
chronic sialadenitis is unknown. Connective tissue growth factor
(CTGF), matrix metalloproteinases (MMPs) and tissue inhibitors of
metalloproteinases (TIMPs) have been implicated in the pathogenesis of
various fibrotic conditions. These factors are thought to be essential
in the regulation of extracellular matrix turnover and the development
of tissue fibrosis. In the present study, the expression of CTGF,
MMP-2, -3, -9, -13 and TIMP-3 was examined in chronic obstructive
sialadenitis. Tissue samples of 13 patients with chronic sialadenitis
of the submandibular gland associated with sialolithiasis and 4 normal
tissue samples of the submandibular gland were analyzed
immunohistochemically and by Western blot analysis. An intense CTGF
immunoreactivity was observed in the ductal system of inflamed salivary
glands, whereas in normal glands no reactivity or a very low CTGF
immunoreactivity was present. Immunohistochemical studies revealed a
low to strong reactivity of MMP-2, -3, -9, -13, and TIMP-3 in the
ductal system, in acinar cells and in lymphomonocytic infiltrates in
normal and inflamed tissues. The expression of MMP-2, -3, -9, -13, and
TIMP-3 was confirmed by Western blotting in all cases. Over-expression
of CTGF in chronic obstructive sialadenitis suggests that this factor
may play a role in glandular fibrosis. However, the physiological role
of MMP-2, -3, -9, -13, and TIMP-3 in normal glands, as well as their
possible role in inflammation progress and fibrosis in chronic
obstructive sialadenitis, remains to be elucidated.
Oxidative stress and lipid peroxidation are known to be causational in
the processes described in the above study, and if we add the first
study, which is about a similar condition, an obvious hypothesis
concerning PUFAs and these kinds of disorders presents itself. All
that is needed is an on point study. Why that has not been done seems
to be related to the "pass the buck" nature of so much science today.
That is, the people working at the molecular level say, "gee, what
could be causing this?" And the nutritionists say, "well, we'll give
out diet questionnaires, and see what turns up." However, they have
something like lard classifed as a "saturated fat," which is very
misleading, as I've explained many times here before, so they come to
the erroneous conclusion that "saturated fat" is to blame, when in fact
it is the combination of a fat high in unsaturated fatty acids (lard is
about 60% UFAs), no antioxidant protection (which is true for lard),
and then the processing, refining, cooking, that can create dangerous
levels of lipid peroxidation in your body. Forming stones in various
places is the least of it, though not necessarily in terms of pain,
monetary cost, etc. Some oils can vary greatly in this context. Olive
oil is the most interesting. It can be "healthy" if it is high quality
and eaten in a raw and fresh form, or it can be so bad that it is used
in the same experiments as lard is to determine how good various herbs
and spices are in preventing lipid peroxidation. One could not use
coconut oil in these kinds of experiments, because the 92% saturated
fatty acids act as a barrier to lipid peroxidation reactions, and the
experiment would take way too long. In one batch of coconut oil I
purchased, a mold started to grow on the bottom of the container after
a year or so, but the oil was still good on top. With highly
unsaturated fats or oils, the fats break down due to exposure to air,
not because a "bug" wants a "free lunch," and that includes "lard," the
supposed "saturated fat." Until "nutritional scientists" learn some
biochemistry it appears these kinds of problems will persist, with
accompanying erroneous advice being given by "experts" of one sort or
another.
montygram
but nobody knows (lack of specifc studies), and there appears to be a
very easy way of avoiding these problems in the first place. Ingesting
more than trace amounts of PUFAs, however, appears to be at least one
way to cause them:
Patol Fiziol Eksp Ter. 1991 Jul-Aug;(4):48-50.
[The mechanisms of disordered oxidative metabolism at different
stages of acute experimental inflammation of the salivary glands]
[Article in Russian]
Rozenblats AV, Volozhin AI.
Acute purulent sialadenitis was modelled in experiments on rabbits
by injecting Staphylococcus aureus. Follow-up of the development of
inflammation showed an intimate relation between changes of the level
of gland oxygenation and the values characterizing tissue respiration,
carbohydrate metabolism, and lipid peroxidation.
JohnDoe
They might take you seriously if it's the first time they ever meet you.
Mark & Steven Bornfeld
Couple of points:
1) Impaired salivary flow can have many causes. One is Sjogren's
syndrome which is considered autoimmune. I have no reason to believe
that this is your problem. It is characterized by (among other things)
a PAINLESS enlargement of the parotid glands. This has no relationship
to a garden variety parotitis (with or without stones)
2) It is properly called salivary SECRETION, not EXCRETION--we are not
dealing with a waste product here.
PeterB
It's possible the additional vitamin c was of some benefit if your
facial tissues were inflammed. Your overall nutrient status is already
a factor in your body's ability to heal itself. At the same time,
people assume that supplemental nutrients have the ability to impact
their physical structure more quickly than is normally possible. Most
illness is a direct consequence of a nutritional deficiency, but
"direct" doesn't necessarily mean "immediate." For instance, heart
disease can result from long-standing iron, vitamin c, magnesium, or
other deficiencies, however because of the synergist-antagonist
relationships of nutrients to one another, the illness usually doesn't
become symptomatic for a period of years, or at least months. Proper
treatment necessarily involves a variety of nutrients applied over a
similar period of time (though usually less than the time it took to
become chronically ill), before the disease reverses. In your case,
the body's normal recovery process was the means for relieving your
pain, however the application of vitamin therapy probably wasn't
responsible for most of your improvement in real time. The greatest
benefit to your health from the additional vitamin c and zinc will be
their effect on your overall nutrient homeostasis, reducing your chance
for future illness.
PeterB
Mr-Natural-Health
> dealing with a waste product here.
That was a cut & paste from the abstract that was supposedly written by
people who know what they are doing. :(
Perhaps the vitamin C merely unblocked the blockage? Until I hear
other wise, that is the physical mechanism of what happened to me. Of
course, if it comes back any time soon ...
JohnDoe
> Mark & Steven Bornfeld wrote
>
>>2) It is properly called salivary SECRETION, not EXCRETION--we are not
>>dealing with a waste product here.
>
>
> That was a cut & paste from the abstract that was supposedly written by
> people who know what they are doing. :(
>
> Perhaps the vitamin C merely unblocked the blockage? Until I hear
> other wise, that is the physical mechanism of what happened to me.
It was nano-gnomes. For sure. With their little nano-pickaxes, they
picked and axed all day long and 'unblocked the blockage'.
So, there you have it, you heard otherwise now. And I wouldn't simply
dismiss this 'physical mechanism' of what happened since it has at least
as much evidence going for it as your own claims regarding 'natural
health' do (and even more evidence for it then most of PeterB's claims I
might add).
> Of course, if it comes back any time soon ...
Why, that would mean you haven't treated it 'holistically'. You only
removed the symptoms, not the underlying cause. You practised eeeevil
allopathic medicine then!
PeterB
JohnDoe wrote:
> Mr-Natural-Health wrote:
> > Mark & Steven Bornfeld wrote
> >
> >>2) It is properly called salivary SECRETION, not EXCRETION--we are not
> >>dealing with a waste product here.
> >
> >
> > That was a cut & paste from the abstract that was supposedly written by
> > people who know what they are doing. :(
> >
> > Perhaps the vitamin C merely unblocked the blockage? Until I hear
> > other wise, that is the physical mechanism of what happened to me.
>
> It was nano-gnomes. For sure. With their little nano-pickaxes, they
> picked and axed all day long and 'unblocked the blockage'.
> So, there you have it, you heard otherwise now. And I wouldn't simply
> dismiss this 'physical mechanism' of what happened since it has at least
> as much evidence going for it as your own claims regarding 'natural
> health' do (and even more evidence for it then most of PeterB's claims I
> might add).
Actually, Mr. N applied an intervention, then got well. That appears
to be all the evidence you and your team need to promote vaccine,
cancer drugs, and other unproven "medicine." As for evidence, I've
always backed up what I say with scientific references, and if you read
my response in this thread, you'll see I haven't made unsubstantiated
claims about the short-term effects of supplements. Anyway, thanks for
the monkey dance....mha can always use a laugh.
PeterB
Mr-Natural-Health
You guys will go to any length to avoid admitting that vitamin C was
"the correct" cure in this particular instance. The association
between what you wrote and vitamin C is all over the place. All you
have to do is look. :()
I provided one abstract and the full text of a 1980 research study to
support my mine. I suggest that you might try keeping up with the
literature.
You have my condolences. :()
JohnDoe
> JohnDoe wrote:
>
>>Mr-Natural-Health wrote:
>>
>>>Mark & Steven Bornfeld wrote
>>>
>>>
>>>>2) It is properly called salivary SECRETION, not EXCRETION--we are not
>>>>dealing with a waste product here.
>>>
>>>
>>>That was a cut & paste from the abstract that was supposedly written by
>>>people who know what they are doing. :(
>>>
>>>Perhaps the vitamin C merely unblocked the blockage? Until I hear
>>>other wise, that is the physical mechanism of what happened to me.
>>
>>It was nano-gnomes. For sure. With their little nano-pickaxes, they
>>picked and axed all day long and 'unblocked the blockage'.
>>So, there you have it, you heard otherwise now. And I wouldn't simply
>>dismiss this 'physical mechanism' of what happened since it has at least
>>as much evidence going for it as your own claims regarding 'natural
>>health' do (and even more evidence for it then most of PeterB's claims I
>>might add).
>
>
> Actually, Mr. N applied an intervention, then got well. That appears
> to be all the evidence you and your team need to promote vaccine,
> cancer drugs, and other unproven "medicine." As for evidence, I've
> always backed up what I say with scientific references,
Oh puhleaze. You don't even accept the scientific definitions of
'cancer' and 'cure'. With that in mind, it is simply not possible that
any science backs up any of your claims.
JohnDoe
'Us guys' have said from day one that anecdotes aren't evidence. That's
all you have here, an anecdote.
> The association between what you wrote and vitamin C is all over the place. All you
> have to do is look. :()
?????
Try to make some sense at least.
> I provided one abstract and the full text of a 1980 research study to
> support my mine. I suggest that you might try keeping up with the
> literature.
I'm sorry? You're proudly announcing that all you have is a text from
*1980* (!) and then you tell me/us to keep up with the literature?
Priceless! You should try a career as a comedian.
> You have my condolences. :()
Ah, there is some of that old MrNaturalhealth coming back. Still a long
way to go back to the guy who insisted he was impervious to any and all
infections because of his perfect health and nutritional status though.
cathyb
Bless; he's counting Rath's site as a scientific reference.
cathyb
And he refers to whale.to as a scientific reference! (As when he came
up with this unverifiable pile of crap by an unfindable "researcher":
http://www.whale.to/vaccines/measles3.html)
JohnDoe
You're right, I forgot that he also has his own definition of 'science'.
Maybe he is related to Michael Behe!
PeterB
If you read what I wrote, you'll understand that I'm not refuting your
experience. The one thing our resident pharma bloggers say that's true
is that most acute conditions are self limiting, ie., they subside "on
their own" with or without treatment. Of course, what they overlook is
that nothing happens in human health without nutrients, and your
condition would be no excpetion. That doesn't mean your condition
would not have resolved using your existing store of nutrients even
without additional vitamins.
Mark
up and gets painful, you take something that stimulates salivary
secretion (vit C), and blow the blockage out of the way.
Works for me.
Mark, MD
Mr-Natural-Health
> Oh puhleaze. You don't even accept the scientific definitions of
> 'cancer' and 'cure'. With that in mind, it is simply not possible that
> any science backs up any of your claims.
Ah! The classic negative attitude of a scientist in action.
Ha, ... Hah, Ha!
You are just plain negative and nasty. :)
You have the personality of a constipated warthog.
You are a Benjamin Rush of the new millennium. :(
http://pages.hosting.domaindirect.com/naturalhealthperspective.com/tu...
"Benjamin Rush (1745-1813) was a member of the Continental Congress, a
signer of the Declaration of Independence, a combater of yellow fever,
the founder of psychiatry in America, and an obstinate believer in
miasmas and bloodletting. Rush was arguably the most famous and
influential American doctor of his time. He is, also, the classic
example of everything that is wrong with allopaths."
"Some allopaths, like Rush, used science, but none of them used the
scientific method in their practices."
Sorry to inform you, but YOU are NOT:
1. Practicing the scientific method, now.
2. Furthering the noble cause of the scientific method, now.
Anybody can claim to believe in science, but that is not what counts.
Nor, has it ever counted.
Only the scientific method counts, and you dear fool are NOT presently
engaging in the scientific method in any shape, way, or form.
What you are presently doing is engaging in slime-bucket tactics, that
actually mocks the high road of the scientific method.
What drugs are you on?
Perhaps, if you were to concentrate?
The topic of this thread is: "Did Vitamin C cure my Nonneoplastic
disorder of the parotid gland?"
Cancer is Off-Topic, Arse!
Just thought that the mental moron might want to know.
If my cured condition does NOT return within one week, I win this
contest hands down. So far, it looks like YOU SCIENCE ARSES are
losing big time.
Why am I NOT surprised?
Got an ailment? When in doubt take vitamin C. It just might cure you.
:)
john...@naturalhealthperspective.com
Precisely!
john...@naturalhealthperspective.com
> That doesn't mean your condition
> would not have resolved using your existing store of nutrients even
> without additional vitamins.
Maybe you wait patiently doing absolutely nothing, but I do NOT.
Just thought that you might want to know, if a car tries to run you
over you should get out of the way. But, of course if you simply
pretend that the car is NOT in front of you, it doesn't mean that it
wouldn't have avoided you anyhow. Does it, Dumb Dumb?
PeterB
Believe it or not, I'm on your side. I also take vitamin c during a
cold, but I do this because I know the body expends more vitamin c
during illness, not because I expect to have immediate alleviation of
symptoms using this particular nutrient. It's not simply a question of
taking action, it's a question of knowing which nutrients provide the
desired effect, whether that effect is long-term, or short-term.
During a bout with influenza, for instance, I choose to take N-acetyl
cysteine over echinacea, because it raises white blood cell production
and reduces the risk of respiratory infection, and shortens the length
of the illness. If vitamin c was helpful in your particular case, I'm
all for it.
PeterB
Rich
"PeterB" <p...@mytrashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1136570835.8...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
I thought that with your perfect state of health and superior immune system
you never got influenza. Look out when the next pandemic hits.
--
--Rich
Recommended websites:
http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
http://www.acahf.org.au
http://www.quackwatch.org/
http://www.skeptic.com/
http://www.csicop.org/
PeterB
I haven't had the flu since I was a child. I meant that I choose NAC
over echinancea preventatively if I feel something coming on (perhaps
it would have become influenza without the intervention.) And if bird
flu hits, I'll know how to tip the odds in my favor.
PeterB
Mark Probert
Mr-Natural-Health
PeterB wrote:
> Believe it or not, I'm on your side. I also take vitamin c during a
> cold, but I do this because I know the body expends more vitamin c
> during illness, not because I expect to have immediate alleviation of
> symptoms using this particular nutrient.
I do NOT.
Vitamin C is for preventing colds. Zinc treats a cold. And, Echinacea
does neither.
See the following 3 messages from my Yahoo newsgroup.
----------
From: John Gohde <Ya...@naturalhealthperspective.com>
To: HwA
Subject: Supplements: Zinc Gluconate Reduces Cold Duration And
Frequency In Children
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 16:49:34 +0000
Organization: Natural Health Perspective website
Reply-To: John Gohde <Ya...@naturalhealthperspective.com>
Zinc Gluconate Reduces Cold Duration And Frequency In Children
http://www.docguide.com/news/content.nsf/news/8525697700573E1885256C6D0022C1BD?OpenDocument&id=48dde4a73e09a969852568880078c249&c=&count=10
A DGReview
"11/14/2002
By Mark Greener
Zinc gluconate glycine lozenges reduce cold duration and
frequency, as well as concomitant antibiotic use, in children.
Researchers from the Heritage Center, Provo, Utah, United States,
examined the medical charts of 496 school-aged subjects before and
after the introduction of zinc gluconate glycine lozenges
(Cold-Eeze). Previous controlled trials suggested that the
lozenges reduced cold duration.
The authors defined a cold based on the presence of at least two
specified signs or symptoms on the same day. They used patient or
medical staff reports and cold medication usage to determine the
cold's duration."
McElroy BH, Miller SP.
Effectiveness of zinc gluconate glycine lozenges (cold-eeze)
against the common cold in school-aged subjects: a retrospective
chart review.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=12424502&dopt=Abstract
Am J Ther. 2002 Nov-Dec;9(6):472-5.
PMID: 12424502
ABSTRACT:
"Therapy with zinc gluconate glycine lozenges significantly
reduced cold duration and antibiotic use in school-aged subjects."
------------------------
COMMENTS:
If you feel like you are getting a cold, then take about a gram of
vitamin C every 30 minutes to a hour, for about six hours.
Sometimes, you don't respond quick enough with the vitamin C and
end up with a cold. Once you have come down with a full blown
cold, I personally find that taking zinc lozenges is more
effective than vitamin C.
--
John Gohde,
Achieving good Health is an Art, NOT a Science!
--------------------
From: John Gohde <Ya...@naturalhealthperspective.com>
To: HwA
Subject: Exercise: Keep Colds at Bay
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 22:32:40 +0000
Organization: Natural Health Perspective website
Reply-To: John Gohde <Ya...@naturalhealthperspective.com>
Message-ID: <hmjtlu0apbcmattqa...@4ax.com>
X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564
Regular Exercise Helps Keep Colds at Bay: Study
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_8936.html
"Reuters Health
By Alison McCook
Wednesday, August 14, 2002
NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - People who exercise regularly appear
to be less likely than couch potatoes to catch colds, US
researchers report.
"Our research provides evidence that being active may actually
reduce the number of colds people get in a year," lead author Dr.
Charles E. Matthews of the University of South Carolina in
Columbia told Reuters Health.
Given that colds are a leading cause of visits to the doctor and
missed work days, Matthews added that employers might do well to
encourage their workers to get off their duffs on a regular
basis."
CHARLES E. MATTHEWS; IRA S. OCKENE; PATTY S.
Moderate to vigorous physical activity and risk of
upper-respiratory tract infection
http://ipsapp006.lwwonline.com/content/getfile/2320/1354/3/abstract.htm
Medicine & Science in Sports & Exercise 2002;34:1242-1248.
------------------------
COMMENTS:
"Moderate levels of activity have been hypothesized to be
associated with enhanced immune function."
But, it is easier to say that Exercise is just plain good for you.
--
John Gohde,
Achieving good Health is an Art, NOT a Science!
------------------------
----------
From: John Gohde <johnh...@yahoo.com>
To: HwA
Subject: Diet: Nutritional Boost Helps Elderly Ward Off Colds
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 15:44:59 +0000
Organization: Natural Health Perspective website
Reply-To: John Gohde <johnh...@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3rd140ht2toobldej...@4ax.com>
X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564
Nutritional Boost Helps Elderly Ward Off Colds
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_16288.html
"Reuters Health
By Alison McCook
Thursday, February 26, 2004
NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - A nutritional supplement
containing antioxidants, vitamins and minerals appears to
boost immune system functioning in the elderly, new research
indicates.
Elderly participants who downed the specially formulated
supplement for around 6 months experienced fewer days with
cold symptoms, and were more likely to show a strong immune
response to a flu vaccine - a sign their bodies were well
primed to fight off future infections.
Study author Dr. Bobbi Langkamp-Henken told Reuters Health
that supplements are particularly important for the elderly,
many of whom become deficient in the nutrients they need to
stay healthy due to decreased mobility, diet restrictions
resulting from chronic disease and chewing or swallowing
problems, she said."
SOURCE:
Langkamp-Henken B, Bender BS, Gardner EM.
Nutritional formula enhanced immune function and reduced
days of symptoms of upper respiratory tract infection in
seniors.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=14687308&dopt=Abstract
J Am Geriatr Soc. 2004 Jan;52(1):3-12.
PMID: 14687308
This Article Concluded:
""A healthy, well-balanced diet that includes a variety of
foods would be the ideal way to get the nutrients we need to
stay healthy. Unfortunately, this is not always possible"
for many elderly, Langkamp-Henken said.
The supplement featured in the current study contained a
variety of nutrients that previous studies have suggested
may increase immune functioning in seniors, such as zinc and
selenium, she noted.
The formula is not yet commercially available, but
Langkamp-Henken said she hopes that these findings encourage
people to distribute it on a wide scale. The supplement was
developed by Abbott Laboratories, who also funded the
research.
During the study, Langkamp-Henken and her team followed 34
people over the age of 65 for 183 days, half of whom
consumed an 8-ounce dose of the nutrition-boosting formula
every day. Participants noted how many days they experienced
cold symptoms.
Reporting in the Journal of the American Geriatrics Society,
Langkamp-Henken and her team found that, as a group, people
who received the formula experienced a total of 78 sick
days, compared with more than 150 sick days among the
un-supplemented group.
In addition, people who received the supplement were more
likely than others to show a large increase in
infection-fighting antibodies after being vaccinated against
the flu.
Langkamp-Henken, who is based at the University of Florida
in Gainesville, said the supplement may help boost immune
function among a large number of seniors because it contains
many different nutrients, thereby addressing people's
individual needs."
------------------------
Comment:
While this study talks about a nutritional supplement, I
have classified it as diet. Diet may be either eaten or
drunk (as either custom blended and/or juiced food or from a
purchased canned formula).
In this study "subjects in the experimental group consumed
an average of 7 ounces of formula daily." Hence, I would
conclude that they are talking about a liquified meal
replacement food product like Ensure.
Obviously, if you are eating an adequate diet, the next best
option is to drink a balanced diet. On the bottom of this
list would be the option of drinking products like Ensure.
Some people actually like the taste of this stuff. Also,
the elderly general lose their sense of taste. That is
probably why they can tolerate stuff like Ensure better than
I can.
--
John Gohde,
Feeling Great and Better than Ever!
David Wright
So am I. But since this is only a single case, we really don't know
whether the C did it or not. Maybe something he took earlier did it.
Maybe it would have resolved regardless. This is the problem with
anecdotal data -- it's way too subject to the 'post hoc' fallacy.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
-- Alice Roosevelt Longworth
PeterB
Belive it or not, I'm on your side. I also take vitamin c on a daily
basis, and if I get the sniffles, I take more. It's not a question of
taking action, it's a question of how quickly a nutraceutical approach
alleviates symptoms. In terms of managing symptoms, synthetic drugs
give a nearly immediate effect, but they don't promote healing. In
terms of improving nutritional stores, nutrients give a nearly
immediate effect (and promote healing) but are slow to alleviate
symptoms. It depends on the condition. Every illness responds
differently to nutrient therapy because each one represents a different
set of metabolic errors. We choose from a variety of nutrients based
on our knowledge of their effects and benefits. If you have a cold,
you may choose to take echinacea, for instance. But do you choose the
purpea or the angustafolia species? What about selenium. Which form
do you take? The same question applies to vitamins A, D, E, and so on.
During a bout with influenza (or even a cold), I choose N-acetyl
cysteine over echinacea because NAC increases white blood cell
production in real time and reduces both the length of illness and odds
for upper respiratory infection. If the vitamin c did reduce your
inflammation or remove a blockage in real time, I'm all for it.
PeterB
Twittering One
or scared to move.
But you can pick up the phone.
"The Emergency Call Waiting Song,"
Phil Alexander
On the first ring of waiting for my emergency
A burglar broke in and robbed me
On the second ring of waiting for my emergency
Two drug-crazed hippies
And their dealer broke in and robbed me
On the third ring of waiting for my emergency
Three doped-up junkies
Two big alsatians
And a bent copper came and robbed me
On the fourth ring of waiting for my emergency
Four-nicating youngsters
Three used-up condoms
Two odd positions
And some kind of a shoot for page 3
On the fifth ring of waiting for my emergency
Five more rings
Four-ced entery
Free-loading ****s
Too annoyed for words
And another bastard came to rob me
On the sixth ring of waiting for my emergency
Six nasty stab-wounds
Five bleeding holes
Four stitches needed
Three tetanus jabs
Two pints of blood
In a transfusion needed for me
On the seventh ring of waiting for my emergency
Seven drinks for comfort
Six wounds a-bleeding
Five bloody towels
Four-bearance needed
Three-zing my balls off
To-urniquet tightened
And a virtual lobotomy
On the eighth ring of waiting for my emergency
Eight guys arrested
Seven wounds a-bleeding
Six months remanded
Five years to serve
Four failed appeals
Three years' remission
Too well-behaved
And they're out, now they're out to get me
On the ninth ring of waiting for my emergency
Nine nine nine dialed [or 9-1-1 if you prefer]
Eight wounds a-bleeding
Seven fingers missing
Six on the floor
Five fingerprints
Four-ensic science
Three suspects
Two or less arrests
And some cop film that's on the TV
On the tenth ring of waiting for my emergency
Ten pints of lager
Nine wounds a-bleeding
Eight odd intruders
Seven swingers swinging
Six geezers laying
Five dangly "things"
Four fingers used
Three-some with Rover
Two running cameras
And a DVD copy for me
On the eleventh ring of waiting for my emergency
Eleven double-brandies
Ten wounds a-bleeding
Nine bottles, broken
Eight glasses splattered
Seven saucers smashing
Sick's heaved all over
Five minutes' peace
Four what it's worth
Three hours for clean-up
Two bins full
And a phone that still rings endlessly
On the twelfth ring of waiting for my emergency
Twelve large tequilas
Eleven wounds a-bleeding
Ten pimps a-pimping
Nine dealers dealing
Eight kilos smuggling
Seven mill for laundering
Six gangstas shooting
Five hours on hold
Four-gotten why
Free-zer full of dope
Too pissed to think
And then the police at last answered me...
Rich
"Twittering One" <twitte...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1136586751.4...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
LOL!
Brrrinng . . . brrrinng . . . [click] . . . "You have reached the Beaumont
County Emergency Services Department. If you have a Fire emergency, press
'1' now. If you have a Police emergency, press '2' now. If you have a
Medical emergency press '3' now. If you are not sure of the nature of your
emergency, stay on the line and an emergency dispatcher will be with you, .
. . eventually . . . . . . . . . [click] 'Raindrops keep 'fallin' on my
head, . . .'"
[3] . . . "You have reached the Beaumont County Emergency Medical Services
Department. If you are conscious and breathing, press [1] now . . . "
;o) Rich
Mr-Natural-Health
David Wright wrote:
> So am I. But since this is only a single case, we really don't know
> whether the C did it or not. Maybe something he took earlier did it.
> Maybe it would have resolved regardless. This is the problem with
> anecdotal data -- it's way too subject to the 'post hoc' fallacy.
NEWSFLASH!
People in pain don't care about your 'post hoc' fallacy!
Vitamin C, Natural Health, or Moi did the trick for me. What I care
about is NOT having to go see a nasty doctor, and their crappy office
staff, just so I can get screwed out of my money. And, above all I
don't want to be operated on when something as simple as vitamin C
works and has been known to work since 1980 per the full text of the
research study that I posted.
Just thought that you might want to know.
David Wright
Mr-Natural-Health <john...@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote:
>
>David Wright wrote:
>
>> So am I. But since this is only a single case, we really don't know
>> whether the C did it or not. Maybe something he took earlier did it.
>> Maybe it would have resolved regardless. This is the problem with
>> anecdotal data -- it's way too subject to the 'post hoc' fallacy.
>
>NEWSFLASH!
>
>People in pain don't care about your 'post hoc' fallacy!
No, they care about getting better. And your touching story is of
virtually no use to them.
>Vitamin C, Natural Health, or Moi did the trick for me. What I care
>about is NOT having to go see a nasty doctor, and their crappy office
>staff, just so I can get screwed out of my money.
Gee, Mr. Unnatural Acts, I'm glad you don't have a big fat chip on
your shoulder. Otherwise, I might question your objectivity (in
addition to your sanity, which many people already question).
Mr-Natural-Health
> >> So am I. But since this is only a single case, we really don't know
> >> whether the C did it or not. Maybe something he took earlier did it.
> >> Maybe it would have resolved regardless. This is the problem with
> >> anecdotal data -- it's way too subject to the 'post hoc' fallacy.
> >
> >NEWSFLASH!
> >
> >People in pain don't care about your 'post hoc' fallacy!
>
> No, they care about getting better. And your touching story is of
> virtually no use to them.
I got better by taking vitamin C.
And, the ONLY 'they' in this story are the slimy science people who
will go to any length to avoid admitting that Vitamin C was the correct
solution, documented by at least one research study dated 1980.
It is about time that you Geeks actually kept up with the literature.
Just thought that your having the personality of a constipated warthog
does not slow down the truth any. :)
JohnDoe
> David Wright wrote:
>
>
>>>>So am I. But since this is only a single case, we really don't know
>>>>whether the C did it or not. Maybe something he took earlier did it.
>>>>Maybe it would have resolved regardless. This is the problem with
>>>>anecdotal data -- it's way too subject to the 'post hoc' fallacy.
>>>
>>>NEWSFLASH!
>>>
>>>People in pain don't care about your 'post hoc' fallacy!
>>
>>No, they care about getting better. And your touching story is of
>>virtually no use to them.
>
>
> I got better by taking vitamin C.
No, you got better *after* taking vitamin C. Correlation is *not* causation.
> And, the ONLY 'they' in this story are the slimy science people who
> will go to any length to avoid admitting that Vitamin C was the correct
> solution, documented by at least one research study dated 1980.
>
> It is about time that you Geeks actually kept up with the literature.
It is about time *you* read up on fallicious reasoning. Oh, that's
right, actually using your brain makes you a Geek, and you're one of the
cool guys, so you're no Geek.
> Just thought that your having the personality of a constipated warthog
> does not slow down the truth any. :)
Your posts were a little timid last week, I see you have fully recovered
to your old overconfident self again, despite the fact that your perfect
nutritional status did not protect you from getting sick in the first
place, contrary to your claims it would.
cathyb
JohnDoe wrote:
Ah, Mr Unnatural.
The guy who wrote:
"Healthy people don't get sick, period."
"I NEVER stay sick for more than 8 hours." (except for this time?)
And the all-time classic (if a little off-topic):
"Yes if you are a moron, like David, niggers are very nice people that
you really want to get to know. Assuming of course, you want to be a
drunk, druggie, sell drugs, rape, or otherwise destroy the
neighbourhood for the hell of being a black male youth."
Eew.
Cathy
Mr-Natural-Health
Ah! The classic negative attitude of a scientist in action.
Ha, ... Hah, Ha!
You are just plain negative and nasty. :)
You have the personality of a constipated warthog.
You are a Benjamin Rush of the new millennium. :(
http://pages.hosting.domaindirect.com/naturalhealthperspective.com/tu...
"Benjamin Rush (1745-1813) was a member of the Continental Congress, a
signer of the Declaration of Independence, a combater of yellow fever,
the founder of psychiatry in America, and an obstinate believer in
miasmas and bloodletting. Rush was arguably the most famous and
influential American doctor of his time. He is, also, the classic
example of everything that is wrong with allopaths."
"Some allopaths, like Rush, used science, but none of them used the
scientific method in their practices."
Sorry to inform you, but YOU are NOT:
1. Practicing the scientific method, now.
2. Furthering the noble cause of the scientific method, now.
Anybody can claim to believe in science, but that is not what counts.
Nor, has it ever counted.
Only the scientific method counts, and you dear fool are NOT presently
engaging in the scientific method in any shape, way, or form.
What you are presently doing is engaging in slime-bucket tactics, that
actually mocks the high road of the scientific method.
Just my opinion, but I am right as usual.
--
Recommended anti-crackpot web pages:
http://www.quackpotwatch.org/
http://www.bolenreport.net/
http://www.northamericanconsumersagainsthealthfraud.org/
http://www.iahf.com/
http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/The_Hague/uslawsuits.htm
http://www.wcanews.com/archives/2002/may2202c.htm
http://www.usdoj.gov/dag/pubdoc/hipaa01fe19.htm
http://www.nutritioninstituteofamerica.org/research/DeathByMedicine/DeathByMedicine1.htm
> The guy who wrote:
>
> "Healthy people don't get sick, period."
References? Hyperlinks? Exactly where did you get this from?
I am on the record for saying that healthy people do NOT routinely get
sick. If you do, you are doing something wrong. Any other quote is
clearly take out of context.
I have never ever claimed that I do NOT sick. My health history has
been posted so many times, you probably know it better than your own.
If I happen to have made that statement in a newsgroup post: Bite
Me!!! I could NOT care less Warthog. :)
> "I NEVER stay sick for more than 8 hours." (except for this time?)
Define sick? I was referring to nausea.
If I was sick longer than 8 hours in this case, it was because I waited
a couple of days before taking any extra vitamin C. And, when I did I
got better in about 8 hours. :)
Just thought that you Brits might want to get a life.
cathyb
Mr-Natural-Health wrote:
> cathyb wrote:
>
<snip repeated irrelevant shit>>
> > The guy who wrote:
> >
> > "Healthy people don't get sick, period."
>
> References? Hyperlinks? Exactly where did you get this from?
04/12/2004 N-H-P
>
> I am on the record for saying that healthy people do NOT routinely get
> sick. If you do, you are doing something wrong. Any other quote is
> clearly take out of context.
It's a stand-alone statement. "Healthy people don't get sick, period."
You said it.
>
> I have never ever claimed that I do NOT sick. My health history has
> been posted so many times, you probably know it better than your own.
>
> If I happen to have made that statement in a newsgroup post: Bite
> Me!!! I could NOT care less Warthog. :)
>
>
> > "I NEVER stay sick for more than 8 hours." (except for this time?)
>
> Define sick? I was referring to nausea.
No, you were referring to flu. Having just said that you had never had
the flu, you said "When I do get sick, I NEVER stay sick for more than
8 hours." A contradiction in itself.
>
> If I was sick longer than 8 hours in this case, it was because I waited
> a couple of days before taking any extra vitamin C. And, when I did I
> got better in about 8 hours. :)
Cretin. "When I do get sick, I NEVER stay sick for more than 8 hours."
NEVER.
>
> Just thought that you Brits might want to get a life.
Thought it was interesting that having posted a pile of irrelevant shit
you snipped the off-topic stuff of yours that I posted:
'And the all-time classic (if a little off-topic):
cathyb
Mr-Natural-Health wrote:
> Another one of those illiterate Geeks with a major attitude problem who
> doesn't know how to hyperlink an old newsgroup post.
>
> Ha, .... Hah, Ha!
>
> Sorry, but I have already wasted more than enough of my time conversing
> with an uneducated ignoramus.
>
> Perhaps, If you got another higher degree in Buffoonery?
>
> Bye ....
Ah, Mr Unnatural realises he's contradicted himself (again), has no
answer, so politely apologises...
Oh no. As usual, he pretends it didn't happen and resorts to his usual
idiotic invective.
David Wright
Mr-Natural-Health <john...@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote:
>David Wright wrote:
>
>> >> So am I. But since this is only a single case, we really don't know
>> >> whether the C did it or not. Maybe something he took earlier did it.
>> >> Maybe it would have resolved regardless. This is the problem with
>> >> anecdotal data -- it's way too subject to the 'post hoc' fallacy.
>> >
>> >NEWSFLASH!
>> >
>> >People in pain don't care about your 'post hoc' fallacy!
>>
>> No, they care about getting better. And your touching story is of
>> virtually no use to them.
>
>I got better by taking vitamin C.
No, you took vitamin C, and later got better. So maybe the C did it
and maybe it didn't, and that says nothing about what anyone else
should do, since even if it did work on you, it might not work on
humans.
JohnDoe
> doesn't know how to hyperlink an old newsgroup post.
>
> Ha, .... Hah, Ha!
>
> Sorry, but I have already wasted more than enough of my time conversing
> with an uneducated ignoramus.
>
> Perhaps, If you got another higher degree in Buffoonery?
>
> Bye ....
Would that degree be available at the same place you got your advanced
degree in Bigotry?
Mr-Natural-Health
Replying, yet again, to the Geeks original post/question/comment.
> Ah, Mr Unnatural.
>
> The guy who wrote:
>
> "Healthy people don't get sick, period."
>
> "I NEVER stay sick for more than 8 hours." (except for this time?)
And, the problem is?
Ooooh! I know, you got a bug up your arse.
Ha, .... Hah, Ha!
The first quote comes from a post of mine dated: Date: 3 Dec 2004.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med/msg/9003878c0a27884f
Strickly speaking, I was clearly writing about OTHER healthy people
rhetorically. I was absolutely NOT referring to me as in "I never get
sick, period." Nope, I never wrote, never said that, nor have I ever
claimed that.
So, I shall repeat my query: So, the problem is?
And, my originally reply to ended with: BITE ME!!!
Ooooh, once in 55 years my left cheek gets swollen up. On my own,
without seeing a doctor of any kind, nor talking with a bunch of
morons, I cured myself with vitamin C in approximatedly 8 hours.
So, the problem is?
Ooooh! I know, you got a bug up your arse.
Mr-Natural-Health
Mark wrote:
Ditto!
JohnDoe
> cathyb wrote:
>
> Replying, yet again, to the Geeks original post/question/comment.
>
>
>>Ah, Mr Unnatural.
>>
>>The guy who wrote:
>>
>>"Healthy people don't get sick, period."
>>
>>"I NEVER stay sick for more than 8 hours." (except for this time?)
>
>
> And, the problem is?
>
> Ooooh! I know, you got a bug up your arse.
>
> Ha, .... Hah, Ha!
>
> The first quote comes from a post of mine dated: Date: 3 Dec 2004.
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med/msg/9003878c0a27884f
>
> Strickly speaking, I was clearly writing about OTHER healthy people
> rhetorically. I was absolutely NOT referring to me as in "I never get
> sick, period." Nope, I never wrote, never said that, nor have I ever
> claimed that.
So you're not healthy? Does that mean you do not follow your own advice
or is it the other possibility - your advices do not make a person healthy?
> So, I shall repeat my query: So, the problem is?
>
> And, my originally reply to ended with: BITE ME!!!
>
> Ooooh, once in 55 years my left cheek gets swollen up. On my own,
> without seeing a doctor of any kind, nor talking with a bunch of
> morons, I cured myself with vitamin C in approximatedly 8 hours.
>
> So, the problem is?
>
> Ooooh! I know, you got a bug up your arse.
Would vitamin C help? Do tell, you're the 'expert'.
Mr-Natural-Health
> > Strickly speaking, I was clearly writing about OTHER healthy people
> > rhetorically. I was absolutely NOT referring to me as in "I never get
> > sick, period." Nope, I never wrote, never said that, nor have I ever
> > claimed that.
>
> So you're not healthy? Does that mean you do not follow your own advice
> or is it the other possibility - your advices do not make a person healthy?
What?
Are you saying that you cannot understand or even use the English
language precisely? Must be because you keep on asking the same stupid
questions over and over again.
I recommend that you take Vitamin C until you manage to flush out that
bug that crawled up your arse. :)
I am perfectly healthy and in excellent health, thank you.
I did NOT write just one sentence, Dumb Dumb. I wrote a paragraph that
included that sentence. And, I wrote an entire post that included that
paragraph. Try reading the second sentence in that paragraph. Then
look up the word 'rhetorically' in your dictionary. Learn to read the
English language precisely. Learn to always keep my comments in the
context of what I actually wrote rather your delusional brain that
keeps on malfunctioning.
PeterB
He's a pharma blogger. Your ideas and experiences don't matter to him.
JohnDoe
> JohnDoe wrote:
>
>
>>>Strickly speaking, I was clearly writing about OTHER healthy people
>>>rhetorically. I was absolutely NOT referring to me as in "I never get
>>>sick, period." Nope, I never wrote, never said that, nor have I ever
>>>claimed that.
>>
>>So you're not healthy? Does that mean you do not follow your own advice
>>or is it the other possibility - your advices do not make a person healthy?
>
>
> What?
>
> Are you saying that you cannot understand or even use the English
> language precisely? Must be because you keep on asking the same stupid
> questions over and over again.
>
> I recommend that you take Vitamin C until you manage to flush out that
> bug that crawled up your arse. :)
>
> I am perfectly healthy and in excellent health, thank you.
So you're healthy, but it's clearly OTHER healthy people you're talking
about that do not get sick. Is that what you are saying?
Mr-Natural-Health
JohnDoe wrote:
> So you're healthy, but it's clearly OTHER healthy people you're talking
> about that do not get sick. Is that what you are saying?
So, you are just some kind of an arse that waits 2 years before asking
questions?
If you don't know how to read, that is your problem pharma blogger.
You are just a NEGATIVE piece of trash.
cathyb
So, from your reply, JohnDoe was right; you were saying "So you're
Mr-Natural-Health
You are replying on the WRONG thread.
Just thought that that bug that is up your arse might want to know. :)
cathyb
Mr-Natural-Health
Well, let me speak plainly.
Bite Me!
Ha, ... Hah, Ha! Go give your husband a heart attack, and please STOP
wasting my time.
cathyb
Mr-Natural-Health wrote:
Still no answer? So, from your reply, JohnDoe was right; you were
Mr-Natural-Health
Rich
"Mr-Natural-Health" <john...@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote in
message news:1137092689.9...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Bite Me!
>
For all your healthiness, you are one of the sickest people I know.
--
--Rich
Recommended websites:
http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
http://www.acahf.org.au
http://www.quackwatch.org/
http://www.skeptic.com/
http://www.csicop.org/
Mr-Natural-Health
> "Mr-Natural-Health" <john...@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote in
> message news:1137092689.9...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Bite Me!
>
> For all your healthiness, you are one of the sickest people I know.
I am sorry. Are you mentally retarded?
I have watched a number of Hollywood movies, such as /Molly/.
The standard response is: Bite Me!
Just thought that the retard might want to know. :)
Rich
"Mr-Natural-Health" <john...@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote in
message news:1137094193.8...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
I did not make the diagnosis of "sick" based on your "bite me" response
alone. Your bigotry, your credulity, your misanthropy, and your conceit are
all evidence of our mental illness.
Just thought the sicko might want to know.
Mr-Natural-Health
Mr-Natural-Health
> I did not make the diagnosis of "sick" based on your "bite me" response
> alone. Your ... are
> all evidence of our mental illness.
.... -----------------------
Well, if you say so ...
Ha, ... Hah, Ha!
If you insist of proclaiming your own mental illness, who am I to
disagree with you?
Ha, ... Hah, Ha!
LOL Stupid is as stupid does!
Ha, ... Hah, Ha!
Pizzza Girl
"Rich" <jos...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:jmzxf.1$Z3...@tornado.socal.rr.com...
> conceit are
> all evidence of our mental illness.
>
> --
>
>
> --Rich
>
> Recommended websites:
>
> http://www.imanasshole.com/rsoles
> http://www.richhasabig.org.au
> http://www.quacks.org/
> http://www.septic.com/
> http://www.sendmoney.org/
>
>
Mark Probert
> Bite Me!
>
Yech!
Twittering One
Rich
"Pizzza Girl" <P...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:43c6fb35$0$32504$6d36...@roc.nntpserver.com...
> There is an admission we don't hear everyday.
>
> "Rich" <jos...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:jmzxf.1$Z3...@tornado.socal.rr.com...
>> conceit are
>> all evidence of our mental illness.
I'm opinionated, but not conceited. Good pickup on the typo, though.
john...@naturalhealthperspective.com
> byte
Official Notice of Ng Quarantine
The following twits:
Mark Probert,
Twittering One,
Rich,
cathyb, and
JohnDoe.
Have been identified as being mentally ill by their own kind.
See the grisly details at:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med/msg/7baf7c1e829a3add
This has been a public service announcement.
Just thought that you Geeks might want to know exactly who the idiots
are.
JohnDoe
> Bite Me!
>
Would it be ok if I got a pack of Rotweilers to do that for me?
Mark Probert
> Twittering One wrote:
>
>>byte
>
>
> Official Notice of Ng Quarantine
>
> The following twits:
> Mark Probert,
> Twittering One,
> Rich,
> cathyb, and
> JohnDoe.
>
> Have been identified as being mentally ill by their own kind.
BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!
JohnnyBoy, do you realize that YOU have the absolutely unique
distinction of being the only AltNut ever criticized by Jan Drew? Do you
realize that this event could have possible ripped space-time irreparably?
> See the grisly details at:
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med/msg/7baf7c1e829a3add
There are no details there, grisly or otherwise.
> This has been a public service announcement.
So are the notices I get right after January 15 about the garbage
pick-up schedule.
> Just thought that you Geeks might want to know exactly who the idiots
> are.
We know who the idiots are, and they are you.
PeterB
Mark Probert wrote:
> john...@naturalhealthperspective.com wrote:
> > Twittering One wrote:
> >
> >>byte
> >
> >
> > Official Notice of Ng Quarantine
> >
> > The following twits:
> > Mark Probert,
> > Twittering One,
> > Rich,
> > cathyb, and
> > JohnDoe.
> >
> > Have been identified as being mentally ill by their own kind.
>
> BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!
>
> JohnnyBoy, do you realize that YOU have the absolutely unique
> distinction of being the only AltNut ever criticized by Jan Drew? Do you
> realize that this event could have possible ripped space-time irreparably?
>
> > See the grisly details at:
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med/msg/7baf7c1e829a3add
>
> There are no details there, grisly or otherwise.
But there is a hilarious Freudian slip greased by a guilty conscience,
compliment of Aloha Rich.
PeterB
Mark Probert wrote:
> john...@naturalhealthperspective.com wrote:
> > Twittering One wrote:
> >
> >>byte
> >
> >
> > Official Notice of Ng Quarantine
> >
> > The following twits:
> > Mark Probert,
> > Twittering One,
> > Rich,
> > cathyb, and
> > JohnDoe.
> >
> > Have been identified as being mentally ill by their own kind.
>
> BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!
>
> JohnnyBoy, do you realize that YOU have the absolutely unique
> distinction of being the only AltNut ever criticized by Jan Drew? Do you
> realize that this event could have possible ripped space-time irreparably?
>
> > See the grisly details at:
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med/msg/7baf7c1e829a3add
>
> There are no details there, grisly or otherwise.
But there is a hilarious Freudian slip greased by a guilty conscience,
compliment of Rich.
Mark Probert
> Mark Probert wrote:
>
>>john...@naturalhealthperspective.com wrote:
>>
>>>Twittering One wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>byte
>>>
>>>
>>>Official Notice of Ng Quarantine
>>>
>>>The following twits:
>>>Mark Probert,
>>>Twittering One,
>>>Rich,
>>>cathyb, and
>>>JohnDoe.
>>>
>>>Have been identified as being mentally ill by their own kind.
>>
>>BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!
>>
>>JohnnyBoy, do you realize that YOU have the absolutely unique
>>distinction of being the only AltNut ever criticized by Jan Drew? Do you
>>realize that this event could have possible ripped space-time irreparably?
>>
>>
>>>See the grisly details at:
>>>http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med/msg/7baf7c1e829a3add
>>
>>There are no details there, grisly or otherwise.
>
>
> But there is a hilarious Freudian slip greased by a guilty conscience,
> compliment of Aloha Rich.
Freudian slip or typo? I prefer typo.
Mark Probert
Do you hate Rotweilers?
JanD
"Mark Probert" <markp...@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
news:Z5Qxf.838$l03...@fe11.lga...
> PeterB wrote:
>> Mark Probert wrote:
>>
>>>john...@naturalhealthperspective.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>Twittering One wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>byte
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Official Notice of Ng Quarantine
>>>>
>>>>The following twits:
>>>>Mark Probert,
>>>>Twittering One,
>>>>Rich,
>>>>cathyb, and
>>>>JohnDoe.
>>>>
>>>>Have been identified as being mentally ill by their own kind.
>>>
>>>BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!
>>>
>>>JohnnyBoy, do you realize that YOU have the absolutely unique
>>>distinction of being the only AltNut ever criticized by Jan Drew? Do you
>>>realize that this event could have possible ripped space-time
>>>irreparably?
As usual, he is LYING.
When Bill Ross was being treated badly on the HC list by Tim
Bolen and Hulda's brother, I not only told the group I would be no part of
it.
From: Peter Bowditch (pet...@ratbags.com)
Subject: Re: Bulletin from Dr clark Research Association
View: Complete Thread (13 articles)
Original Format
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 2000/05/02
Someone was being abused by TimBolen (mouthpiece for Hulda Clark) and the
target told the list abouta message from Bolen. The post included a quote
from
someone calling themselves "Jan" which appeared to support what Bolen was
doing. As there were at least two possible "Jans" I could think of, I was
simply asking for clarification. Jan Drew has now publicly dissociated
herself
from the disgusting behaviour of Tim Bolen and Leo Regehr, andI have no
reason
to doubt her sincerity on this.
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
From: Bill Ross <rossv...@erinet.com> - Find messages by this author
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 10:58:38 -0400
Local: Sat, Jul 7 2001 9:58 am
Subject: Re: Testimony
I trust your honesty
>>>
>>>
>>>>See the grisly details at:
>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med/msg/7baf7c1e829a3add
>>>
>>>There are no details there, grisly or otherwise.
>>
>>
>> But there is a hilarious Freudian slip greased by a guilty conscience,
>> compliment of Aloha Rich.
>
> Freudian slip or typo? I prefer typo.
Sure you do.
LIAR defending other *GANG* LIARS
Pizzza Girl
"Rich" <jos...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:_lDxf.24$Ou...@tornado.socal.rr.com...
Mark Probert
> "Mark Probert" <markp...@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
> news:Z5Qxf.838$l03...@fe11.lga...
>
>>PeterB wrote:
>>
>>>Mark Probert wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>john...@naturalhealthperspective.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Twittering One wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>byte
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Official Notice of Ng Quarantine
>>>>>
>>>>>The following twits:
>>>>>Mark Probert,
>>>>>Twittering One,
>>>>>Rich,
>>>>>cathyb, and
>>>>>JohnDoe.
>>>>>
>>>>>Have been identified as being mentally ill by their own kind.
>>>>
>>>>BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!
>>>>
>>>>JohnnyBoy, do you realize that YOU have the absolutely unique
>>>>distinction of being the only AltNut ever criticized by Jan Drew? Do you
>>>>realize that this event could have possible ripped space-time
>>>>irreparably?
>
>
> As usual, he is LYING.
Hi, Moron.
> When Bill Ross was being treated badly on the HC list by Tim
> Bolen and Hulda's brother, I not only told the group I would be no part of
> it.
A list which I cannot read...been kicked off for doubting Hulda.
> From: Peter Bowditch (pet...@ratbags.com)
> Subject: Re: Bulletin from Dr clark Research Association
> View: Complete Thread (13 articles)
> Original Format
> Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
> Date: 2000/05/02
>
>
> Someone was being abused by TimBolen (mouthpiece for Hulda Clark) and the
> target told the list abouta message from Bolen. The post included a quote
> from
> someone calling themselves "Jan" which appeared to support what Bolen was
> doing. As there were at least two possible "Jans" I could think of, I was
> simply asking for clarification. Jan Drew has now publicly dissociated
> herself
> from the disgusting behaviour of Tim Bolen and Leo Regehr, andI have no
> reason
> to doubt her sincerity on this.
>
> Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
> From: Bill Ross <rossv...@erinet.com> - Find messages by this author
> Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 10:58:38 -0400
> Local: Sat, Jul 7 2001 9:58 am
> Subject: Re: Testimony
>
>
> I trust your honesty
Frankly, I do not recall reading the original message from Peter. I know
you will call me a liar, though, since your reaction is a kneeJERK.
As for what was done, I hope your disassociation was more than "it is
not me." What is posted does not address that point.
>>>>
>>>>>See the grisly details at:
>>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med/msg/7baf7c1e829a3add
>>>>
>>>>There are no details there, grisly or otherwise.
>>>
>>>
>>>But there is a hilarious Freudian slip greased by a guilty conscience,
>>>compliment of Aloha Rich.
>>
>>Freudian slip or typo? I prefer typo.
>
> Sure you do.
>
> LIAR defending other *GANG* LIARS
It is a 50-50 chance it could be either. Of course, YOU will select the
negative, since you are a negative person, and I, of course, will select
the positive, since I am a perpetual optimist.
JanD
Frankly, dumber than a box of rocks, the original message from Peter is
right clearly posted!
I know you will call me a liar, though, since your reaction is a kneeJERK.
You do NOT know, dumber than a box of rocks, since YOU accuse me of your
EXACT guilt.
[snip remaining drivel]
>
>>>>>
>>>>>>See the grisly details at:
>>>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med/msg/7baf7c1e829a3add
>>>>>
>>>>>There are no details there, grisly or otherwise.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>But there is a hilarious Freudian slip greased by a guilty conscience,
>>>>compliment of Aloha Rich.
>>>
>>>Freudian slip or typo? I prefer typo.
>>
>> Sure you do.
>>
>> LIAR defending other *GANG* LIARS
>
Mark Probert
Within the message you posted this time. I was referring to the ORIGINAL
message, jerk, and, of course, you took the opportunity to be a bitch.
> I know you will call me a liar, though, since your reaction is a kneeJERK.
>
> You do NOT know, dumber than a box of rocks, since YOU accuse me of your
> EXACT guilt.
No, I predicted a nasty response, and, lo and behold...that is what I got.
> [snip remaining drivel]
No, Jan, this is not drivel, although you do want to dismiss it:
As for what was done, I hope your disassociation was more than "it is
not me." What is posted does not address that point.
Now, do address the point I made, or this this another one of those no
response issues because you know I SAW THROUGH YOU?
JanD
"Mark Probert blathered"
Totally irrelevant!
> message [snip stupidity]
Frankly, dumber than a box of rocks, the original message from Peter is
right clearly posted!
>
>> I know you will call me a liar, though, since your reaction is a
>> kneeJERK.
>>
>> You do NOT know, dumber than a box of rocks, since YOU accuse me of your
>> EXACT guilt.
>
> No, I predicted a nasty response, and, lo and behold...that is what I got.
NO, you did NOT predict!
You stated you knew.
*I know you will call me a liar, though, since your reaction is a kneeJERK*
You do NOT know, dumber than a box of rocks, since YOU accuse me of your
EXACT guilt.
You are a loser, Markey.
>
>> [snip remaining drivel]
>
> No, Jan, this is not drivel, although you do want to dismiss it:
Yes, Markey, it IS drivel.
You are ONCE AGAIN A PROVEN LIAR!
[snip remaining drivel]
Mark Probert
JanD wrote:
message, jerk, and, of course, you took the opportunity to be a bitch.
> I know you will call me a liar, though, since your reaction is a
kneeJERK.
>
> You do NOT know, dumber than a box of rocks, since YOU accuse me of
your EXACT guilt.
No, I predicted a nasty response, and, lo and behold...that is what I got.
> [snip remaining drivel]
No, Jan, this is not drivel, although you do want to dismiss it:
JanD
"Mark Probert insists on MORE blathering:.
I R R E L V E N A N
T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
W R O N G!!
YOU insisted on L Y I N G as usual!!!
The subject title is provided for you.
Bulletin from Dr clark Research Association
LOOK UP THE ORIGINAL!!!!!!
>
> > I know you will call me a liar, though, since your reaction is a
> kneeJERK.
> >
> > You do NOT know, dumber than a box of rocks, since YOU accuse me of
> your EXACT guilt.
>
>
> No, I predicted a nasty response, and, lo and behold...that is what I got.
You did NOT predicted one single thing.
You stated, you KNEW!
You are ONCE AGAIN LYING!
>
> > [snip remaining drivel]
>
>
> No, Jan, this is not drivel, although you do want to dismiss it:
Dismiss what?
>
>
> As for what was done, I hope your disassociation was more than "it is not
> me." What is posted does not address that point.
What disassociation? It is not me? What in the world are you talking about?
>
> Now, do address the point I made, or this this another one of those no
> response issues because you know I SAW THROUGH YOU?
I have absolutely NO idea what you are talking about, other that the FACT,
that YOU are diverting from the issue.
You have LIED several times and called me names!!
Now, what is it you want to know?
Mark Probert
JanD wrote:
> I know you will call me a liar, though, since your reaction is a
kneeJERK.
>
> You do NOT know, dumber than a box of rocks, since YOU accuse me of
your EXACT guilt.
No, I predicted a nasty response, and, lo and behold...that is what I got.
> [snip remaining drivel]
No, Jan, this is not drivel, although you do want to dismiss it:
As for what was done, I hope your disassociation was more than "it is
not me." What is posted does not address that point.
Now, do address the point I made, or this this another one of those no
Mr-Natural-Health
>
> > Ah, Mr Unnatural.
> >
> > The guy who wrote:
> >
> > "Healthy people don't get sick, period."
> >
> > "I NEVER stay sick for more than 8 hours." (except for this time?)
I have clarified my rhetorical statement on my web site about never
getting sick.
http://naturalhealthperspective.com/contact/agenda.html
"Healthy people are not chronically sick. Rather, they are normally
healthy. And, almost never get sick. And, when they do get sick they
tend to experience a quick recovery from illness when given the
appropriate natural therapy."
Notice how this statement is listed as #1.
In case there are any readers who are suffering form age related
dementia, this rhetorical statement is being used to communicate my
profound belief that if you are chronically sick, you are doing
something fundamentally wrong.
It is truly amazing about the number of self-deluded people who
actually think that they can be both healthy and sick all the time.