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shutterbug98

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Apr 13, 2002, 11:40:18 PM4/13/02
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Anyone have handy a list of the fish providing most of the healthy
heart benefits recently in the news? What characteristics of the fish
are related to the benefits?


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Paul Rogers

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Apr 14, 2002, 6:10:27 PM4/14/02
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On 13 Apr 2002 19:40:18 -0800, shutterbug98
<shutte...@member.gripe.com> wrote:

Interestingly:

"intakes of eicosapentaenoic, docosahexaenoic, and arachidonic acids
were associated with a moderate increase in risk of total BPH" (benign
prostatic hyperplasia)

From:

Am J Clin Nutr 2002 Apr;75(4):689-97
Intakes of energy and macronutrients and the risk of benign prostatic
hyperplasia. Suzuki S, Platz EA, Kawachi I, Willett WC, Giovannucci

This may bear some relation to the association between alpha
linolenic acid and prostate cancer discussed here often.

Paul R


Hua Kul

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Apr 14, 2002, 11:27:57 PM4/14/02
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shutterbug98 <shutte...@member.gripe.com> wrote in message news:<1018752018X1...@gripe.com>...

> Anyone have handy a list of the fish providing most of the healthy
> heart benefits recently in the news? What characteristics of the fish
> are related to the benefits?
>
>
In the reverse order of your questions:

http://www.mercola.com/2002/mar/23/omega3.htm

http://www.mercola.com/2001/apr/25/mercury_fish.htm

--Hua Kul

Ron Ritzman

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Apr 15, 2002, 1:12:58 AM4/15/02
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On Sun, 14 Apr 2002 12:25:04 GMT, John 'the Man <DeMan[39]@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>salmon, mackerel, sardines, herring, albacore tuna

Usually in the order "salmon, mackerel, albacore-tuna, (or anchovies)
sardines, herring" so they can have the acronym "SMASH".


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shutterbug98

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Apr 15, 2002, 6:22:50 PM4/15/02
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How seriously should we take all these Mercury warnings? Certainly
this has not been given major media coverage alongside the heart
benefits.
g...@adres.nl wrote:
> http://www.mercola.com/2002/mar/23/omega3.htm
>
> http://www.mercola.com/2001/apr/25/mercury_fish.htm

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Alf Christophersen

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Apr 16, 2002, 5:30:06 PM4/16/02
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On Sun, 14 Apr 2002 22:10:27 GMT, ecol...@bigpond.net.au (Paul
Rogers) wrote:

>Interestingly:
>
>"intakes of eicosapentaenoic, docosahexaenoic, and arachidonic acids
>were associated with a moderate increase in risk of total BPH" (benign
>prostatic hyperplasia)

At least they share one thing, they all are good stimulants of PKC and
may thus activate TNF-alpha production.
alfa-linolenic acid, palmitic acid and stearic acid on the other hand
do not stimulate PKC

Another bad side of PKC is stimulation of transport of HDL from blood,
through epithelial cell layer and to the backside of the layer thus
building up stored of HDL which easily may be oxydised plus build up a
plaque by first making blood vessels narrower and thus increase rate
of flow of blood in the vessel which in turn increases shear forces on
the epithelial cell layer and increase risk of cell membrane layer
damages that in turn start leaking in calcium that activates a long
array of systems leading to either peroxidicing fats and HDL and in
end cell death. leaking of signals that may trigger TXA formation in
blood platelets etc. And then you are on the real bandwaggon, runnin
faster and faster downwards until your body finally is either put i a
coffin or cremated :-(

wuzzy

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Apr 17, 2002, 3:22:29 PM4/17/02
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ecol...@bigpond.net.au (Paul Rogers) wrote in message news:<3cb9fd1d.50043317@news-server>...

> On 13 Apr 2002 19:40:18 -0800, shutterbug98
> <shutte...@member.gripe.com> wrote:
>
> >Anyone have handy a list of the fish providing most of the healthy
> >heart benefits recently in the news? What characteristics of the fish
> >are related to the benefits?
> >
> >
> >Posted at http://gripe.com. Preview Gripe Beta 2!
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> >Read sci.med.nutrition (and related newsgroups) at:
> >http://gripe.com/fcgi-bin/page2.fpl?p=m&priortr=sci.med.nutrition
>
> Interestingly:
>
> "intakes of eicosapentaenoic, docosahexaenoic, and arachidonic acids
> were associated with a moderate increase in risk of total BPH" (benign
> prostatic hyperplasia)
>


Good show, it was all types of unsaturated fat, including vegetable,
not just n-3s, and so the authors suggested lipid peroxidation being
behind it - apparently lipid peroxidation can increase
5-alpha-reductase in prostate. (incidentally this may be inhibitted
by lycopene)..

Vegetable and fish oil fats seem to definitely have something to do
with prostate cancer.. This is a definite update on the previous smn
debate.

wuzzy

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Apr 17, 2002, 3:29:00 PM4/17/02
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shutterbug98 <shutte...@member.gripe.com> wrote in message news:<1018752018X1...@gripe.com>...

Sardines are a good omega-3 source. It is the cheap and has a
good/modest amount of omega-3s.

I am fortunate to live near chinatown, and can get cheap fresh salmon
once a week or so, but if I had to rely on the supermarket I'd
probably go for sardines as supermarkets are not salmon-shopper
friendly.

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