Questions about fruit.
Ann R Quay
I've been eating kiwi fruit lately as it is one of the only fruits I
like but really, how long can a person eat kiwi and look forward to it.
Other than kiwi, fresh strawberries and some melon I generally do not
like fruit.
1 - Is there anything in fruit (nutritionally) that isn't in vegetables?
2 - Are tomatoes fruit? I've heard this before and I'm wondering if I
eat a lot of tomatoes (and I do) is eating (other) fruit necessary?
3 - Are dried fruits; dates, raisins, dried apricots, still considered
fruit? (Cos I like these - in things.)
Essentially, I'm wondering if eating fruit is really necessary
considering a healthy diet otherwise (I eat a lot of fresh veggies -
more than the 'recommended daily intake' and I vary what veggies I eat
and how they are prepared plus various sources of protein, I don't eat a
lot of junk food, etc...) because I just really don't like eating it.
John 'the Man'
rambled on about "Questions about fruit.."
Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...
>2 - Are tomatoes fruit? I've heard this before and I'm wondering if I
>eat a lot of tomatoes (and I do) is eating (other) fruit necessary?
Yes, when eaten raw. They are vegetables when cooked. Just my
opinion, but I am right!
>3 - Are dried fruits; dates, raisins, dried apricots, still considered
>fruit? (Cos I like these - in things.)
Dried fruits are called what? Could it be fruit?
>Essentially, I'm wondering if eating fruit is really necessary
Is anything really necessary other than death and taxes?
See ~ Advanced Healthy Diet Guidelines ~
http://food.naturalhealthperspective.com/dietguidelines.html
See ~ Bioavailability of Nutrients: The Nutrition of Micronutrients ~
http://food.naturalhealthperspective.com/bioavailability.html
See ~ The Nutrition of a Balanced Diet ~
http://food.naturalhealthperspective.com/dgnotes.html
See ~ The Nutrition of a Varied Diet ~
http://food.naturalhealthperspective.com/quantify.html
Hark! My private health newsgroup beckons!
--
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Achieving good Nutrition is an Art, NOT a Science!
The nutrition of eating a healthy diet is the foundation of the
biomedical model of natural health. Weighing in at 17 webpages,
Nutrition (www.Food.NaturalHealthPerspective.com/) is now with more
documentation and sharper terminology than ever before.
Alex Brands
> Once upon a time, our fellow Ann R Quay
> rambled on about "Questions about fruit.."
> Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...
>
> >2 - Are tomatoes fruit? I've heard this before and I'm wondering if I
> >eat a lot of tomatoes (and I do) is eating (other) fruit necessary?
>
> Yes, when eaten raw. They are vegetables when cooked. Just my
> opinion, but I am right!
How about bananas? Do they become vegetables when cooked? Apples?
John@getstev.com Sir John
news:Pine.GSO.4.31.02081...@ascc.artsci.wustl.edu...
> > >2 - Are tomatoes fruit? I've heard this before and I'm wondering if I
> > >eat a lot of tomatoes (and I do) is eating (other) fruit necessary?
> >
> > Yes, when eaten raw. They are vegetables when cooked. Just my
> > opinion, but I am right!
>
> How about bananas? Do they become vegetables when cooked? Apples?
What is the problem mate?
In the irrational world of human nutrition, Fruits are eaten raw while
vegetables are cooked. I got a reference on it. Do you really need a
reference? How about an act of Congress?
suzee
Does that mean that raw carrots are fruit? Or celery, zucchini, spinach,
lettuce, broccoli or cauliflower? All of which are very often eaten raw.
Chronos
Ann R Quay
but I am right!'
Ann R Quay
> Anything with seeds, or should have seeds in them are fruits.
Do you think that answers my questions?
I ate some sunflower seeds, they are in my tummy now, therefore I'm a
fruit? When I shit them out, what will I be then?
John 'the Man'
rambled on about "Re: Questions about fruit.."
Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...
>> "Alex Brands" <abbr...@artsci.wustl.edu> wrote in message
>> > > >2 - Are tomatoes fruit? I've heard this before and I'm wondering if I
>> > > >eat a lot of tomatoes (and I do) is eating (other) fruit necessary?
>> > > Yes, when eaten raw. They are vegetables when cooked. Just my
>> > > opinion, but I am right!
>> > How about bananas? Do they become vegetables when cooked? Apples?
>> What is the problem mate?
>> In the irrational world of human nutrition, Fruits are eaten raw while
>> vegetables are cooked. I got a reference on it. Do you really need a
>> reference? How about an act of Congress?
>Does that mean that raw carrots are fruit? Or celery, zucchini, spinach,
>lettuce, broccoli or cauliflower? All of which are very often eaten raw.
Botanists say that Tomatoes are fruits, but when I eat them cooked
(which is the *only* way I eat them) they are vegetables.
In the world of nutrition, Dear, it matters *not* what a particular
food item is classified as by botanists. What matters is how human
cooks have chosen to classify them. And, what matters even more is
what food groups, other irrational humans, have chosen to put them in.
This THREAD once again painfully points out just how pathetic the
participants of this ng really are when it comes to common knowledge
about nutrition. :-(
Many food items are often placed in food groups, which differer from
their scientific names. One other example would be buckwheat which is
classified as a Grain, even though scientifically it is not.
Likewise, Flaxseed is classified as a Grain, even though it is not.
Why? Because they are ground up, just like other grains are, to make
flour which in turn is used to make bake goods like bread and pasta.
Maybe you don't, but I certainly have my own diet guidelines and my
own food group definitions. Maybe your real problem is that you are
just another nobody?
In my classification scheme, raw carrots are classified as a salad.
Surprise, ... surprise, surprise. :-)
Further, following the Mediterranean Diet scheme dried beans are *not*
Vegetables. They are part of the "Legume and Nuts" Food group. They
are often referred to as the fourth member of the Four New Food
Groups.
At one time, potatoes where put with grains because the potato was
thought of as a "Starch." That is no longer appropriate as Grains are
no longer though of as just "Starches."
See ~ Advanced Healthy Diet Guidelines ~
http://food.naturalhealthperspective.com/dietguidelines.html
"Vegetables and fruits in nutrition are loosely distinguished by the
need for cooking Vegetables, while fruits may be eaten raw. But the
distinction is imprecise and often fails to be totally consistent.[3]"
[3] Vegetables _Webster Dictionary_, 1913
http://machaut.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/WEBSTER.sh?WORD=vegetable
Actually, it is my understanding that somebody on smn once posted a
hyperlink that indicated that an act of the US Congress made the same
decision as the 1913 edition of the _Webster Dictionary_. :-)
Here, endth your nutrition lesson for the day.
suzee
>
> Once upon a time, our fellow suzee
> rambled on about "Re: Questions about fruit.."
> Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...
>
> >> "Alex Brands" <abbr...@artsci.wustl.edu> wrote in message
>
> >> > > >2 - Are tomatoes fruit? I've heard this before and I'm wondering if I
> >> > > >eat a lot of tomatoes (and I do) is eating (other) fruit necessary?
>
> >> > > Yes, when eaten raw. They are vegetables when cooked. Just my
> >> > > opinion, but I am right!
>
> >> > How about bananas? Do they become vegetables when cooked? Apples?
>
> >> What is the problem mate?
>
> >> In the irrational world of human nutrition, Fruits are eaten raw while
> >> vegetables are cooked. I got a reference on it. Do you really need a
> >> reference? How about an act of Congress?
>
> >Does that mean that raw carrots are fruit? Or celery, zucchini, spinach,
> >lettuce, broccoli or cauliflower? All of which are very often eaten raw.
>
> Botanists say that Tomatoes are fruits, but when I eat them cooked
> (which is the *only* way I eat them) they are vegetables.
>
> In the world of nutrition, Dear, it matters *not* what a particular
> food item is classified as by botanists. What matters is how human
> cooks have chosen to classify them. And, what matters even more is
> what food groups, other irrational humans, have chosen to put them in.
Oh, *now* I see.... you've reclassified the food groups. How good of you
to do that for us.
Janet
A fruit remains a fruit whether it's dried or cooked. Yes a tomatoe
most definitely IS a fruit. As a general rule, anything that has a
seed is a fruit. Anything that doesn't have a seed is a vegetable.
Different fruits and vegetables all contain different vitamins and
nutrients. It's best to get a good variety and not depend on one.
Tomatoes for instance contain lycopene and carrots contain beta
carotene, both are very useful if protecting against cancer. Kiwi
fruit doesn't contain either but it does have higher levels of vitamin
C than an orange does.
Love and best wishes,
Janet.
xx
John M. Williams
>
>This THREAD once again painfully points out just how pathetic the
>participants of this ng really are when it comes to common knowledge
>about nutrition. :-(
Uh-huh. Did you ride a short bus to school as a young lad? Did they
make you wear a hockey helmet?
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Your turds will be fruits. Send them to John 'the Wanker" Gohde for a
special treat.
John 'the Man'
rambled on about "Re: Questions about fruit.."
Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...
>Oh, *now* I see.... you've reclassified the food groups. How good of you
>to do that for us.
Anybody who believes in taking control of their own life would do the
same.
You have my condolences. :-(
--
John Gohde,
Achieving good Health is an Art, NOT a Science!
http://NaturalHealthPerspective.com/
The ONLY Frauds in Health are those who couldn't care less about
prevention. Beware of anybody who brags about eating a lousy diet,
eating crispbread, being overweight, or about smoking!
John 'the Man'
rambled on about "Re: Questions about fruit.."
Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...
>A fruit remains a fruit whether it's dried or cooked. Yes a tomatoe
>most definitely IS a fruit. As a general rule, anything that has a
>seed is a fruit. Anything that doesn't have a seed is a vegetable.
That is what I love about smn.
The dolts on it are too stupid to realize just how stupid their
comments about nutrition truly are. :-(
Hua Kul
Eat your fruits, but if you can only eat one make it bluberries.
===================================================================
"Now, by all means keep eating spinach and kale-these vegetables
contain the powerful carotenoids, lutein and zeaxanthin, as well as a
sulfur-containing antioxidant, lipoic acid-nutrients that help protect
us against macular degeneration and cataracts, and probably against
cardiovascular disease and other aging-related disorders as well.
Eating spinach, kale and other green leafy vegetables at least twice a
week is highly recommended. But do consider consuming half a cup or
more of blueberries every day in addition to all the vegetables and
fruit you already consume...."
"European bilberries (Vaccinium myrtillus) and North American
blueberries (Vaccinium corymbosum) are closely related; cranberries
(Vaccinium macrocarpon) are also close cousins to blueberries.
Scientists think that the antioxidant and general anti-aging benefits
of the Vaccinium species berries come from the compounds that give
them their deep pigmentation. These compounds are a class of
flavonoids (phenolic compounds) called anthocyanins, which often occur
together with proanthocyanidins. Proanthocyanidins are the precursors
of anthocyanins, and also excellent antioxidants in their own right."
"In addition, one of the most potent flavonoids-quercetin-widely
researched due to its powerful anti-cancer, anti-inflammatory, and
cardioprotective properties, is chemically closely related to
anthocyanins. Quercetin is present in wine, ginkgo, onions, apples,
black tea and grapefruit. But berries appear to have something
possibly even more potent in some ways than quercetin: a simple
phenolic compound called ellagic acid, which has emerged as a star in
natural chemoprevention."
"Please note that green tea contains mainly catechins, which are
relatively simple phenolic compounds. "Simple" doesn't mean that they
are less beneficial. Black tea and many fruits and vegetables contain
mainly complex polyphenols, also called polymeric polyphenols, or
condensed tannins. Both simple and complex polyphenols, often present
side by side, have been found to have a wide range of health benefits.
Ellagic acid, for instance, a powerful anti-carcinogen, is also
present in many kinds of berries, including blueberries and
raspberries, as well as in cherries and pomegranates. Catechins are
found not only in green tea, but also in red wine and dark chocolate
(cocoa powder and bittersweet chocolate are good sources; "white
chocolate" does not contain polyphenols). Likewise, coffee contains
not only caffeine (an alkaloid; by the way, caffeine is also a strong
antioxidant), but also catechins, as well as simple phenolic acids,
such as chlorogenic acid, caffeic acid, and tannic acid. Hence, for
instance, the well-established effectiveness of coffee in decreasing
iron levels, or helping fight certain bacterial and viral infections.
"Tannins are very common in the plant world. Apart from the sources
already mentioned, they are also found in the bark of various
trees-the best-known bark extract, Pycnogenol, comes from the bark of
the French Maritime Pine, Pinus maritima. The wide distribution of
tannins in the plant kingdom is probably related both to their
antioxidant and antimicrobial properties. The presence of tannins in
wood, for instance, is likely to be a key reason for the durability of
wood. The fact that chocolate doesn't spoil in spite of its high fat
content is also due to these fascinating polyphenols. Also, in spite
of containing sugar, chocolate, like tea and other flavonoid-rich
foods, appears to help prevent cavities. There is emerging evidence
that thanks to their antimicrobial action, flavonoids can help prevent
dental decay and oral diseases.
"Bioflavonoids in general are amazingly bioactive with a wide range of
benefits. Like many other powerful antioxidants, they show a biphasic
action, depending on the dose. Lower doses, available from diet and
supplements (even if you take several capsules per day of various
flavonoid extracts, it is still a fairly low dose) act as antioxidants
and raise the levels of reduced glutathione (GSH) and vitamin C."
http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2000/mar00-cover.html
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--Hua Kul
bicker
<jmwil...@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
> John 'the Man' <DeMan[81]@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >This THREAD once again painfully points out just how pathetic the
> >participants of this ng really are when it comes to common knowledge
> >about nutrition. :-(
> Uh-huh. Did you ride a short bus to school as a young lad? Did they
> make you wear a hockey helmet?
He does come-across like some sort of certifiable idiot, doesn't he?
You don't really think he is, medically, a few fries short of a happy
meal, do you?
--
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bicker
kept in their nutritional context, rather than their botanical, for
purposes of health. For this reason, tomatoes, with seeds, have a
nutritional make-up that is much more akin to that of most vegetables.
John M. Williams
> John M. Williams <jmwil...@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
> > John 'the Man' <DeMan[81]@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >This THREAD once again painfully points out just how pathetic the
> > >participants of this ng really are when it comes to common knowledge
> > >about nutrition. :-(
> > Uh-huh. Did you ride a short bus to school as a young lad? Did they
> > make you wear a hockey helmet?
>
> He does come-across like some sort of certifiable idiot, doesn't he?
> You don't really think he is, medically, a few fries short of a happy
> meal, do you?
Probably just a severe personality disorder, although the intensity
of his delusions hints of some level of psychosis.
Of course, it would be easy to write off John 'the Wanker' Gohde
as just a troll, except that the amount of work which he devotes
to his silly website indicates a full-blown Usenet kook.
I've also noticed that, despite the size of his website, there's not
a single photograph of 'the Wanker' on any page. That would
probably screw the whole deal, eh?
Jay Tanzman
bicker wrote:
>
> I think it is important to keep in mind that food products need to be
> kept in their nutritional context, rather than their botanical, for
> purposes of health. For this reason, tomatoes, with seeds, have a
> nutritional make-up that is much more akin to that of most vegetables.
Good point.
-Jay
bogus address
Another place where the fruit/vegetable distinction misses the point
is with food allergy or intolerance. In many cases, the allergens in
foods are scattered across a wide botanical grouping, in many different
parts of the plant. People who are sensitive to the nightshade family
will react to the tubers of potatoes, the fruit of aubergines, tomatoes,
and peppers, the roots of ashwagandha, and the leaves of tobacco. There
are some plant families (e.g. the Rosaceae) where the fruits are by far
the most commonly eaten part, but for other families almost any part
might be utilized - see the plant relationships file on my site for the
details.
Pineapple, sugar cane, angelica, rhubarb, kohlrabi and chives are all
the same part of the plant (the stem). From the viewpoint of either
cooking or nutrition, so what?
========> Email to "jc" at this site; email to "bogus" will bounce. <========
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John 'the Man'
rambled on about "Re: Questions about fruit.."
Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...
>I think it is important to keep in mind that food products need to be
>kept in their nutritional context, rather than their botanical, for
>purposes of health. For this reason, tomatoes, with seeds, have a
>nutritional make-up that is much more akin to that of most vegetables.
I will repeat it one more time for the benefit of the truly stupid on
this THREAD. That includes our Twit bicker.
A true Fruit, which in this case is the tomato, WHEN it is eaten raw
like a fruit; It is really a Fruit nutritionally speaking.
A true Fruit, which in this case is the tomato, WHEN it is eaten
cooked like a vegetable; It is really a Vegetable nutritionally
speaking.
Hark! My private health newsgroup beckons!
--
John Gohde,
John 'the Man'
rambled on about "Re: Questions about fruit.."
Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...
>I've also noticed that, despite the size of his website, there's not
>a single photograph of 'the Wanker' on any page. That would
>probably screw the whole deal, eh?
Having a photo would only mean that I was not being objective about my
health claims. My site is about my health program, not me!
--
John Gohde,
John M. Williams
> rambled on about "Re: Questions about fruit.."
> Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...
>
> >I've also noticed that, despite the size of his website, there's not
> >a single photograph of 'the Wanker' on any page. That would
> >probably screw the whole deal, eh?
>
> Having a photo would only mean that I was not being objective about my
> health claims. My site is about my health program, not me!
What?!?! But what could be more objective than an accurate image
of John 'the Man' Gohde as a 'picture of health', all due to his brilliant
understanding of nutrition and holistic wellness?
bicker
<DeMan[81]@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Once upon a time, our Twit bicker
> rambled on about "Re: Questions about fruit.."
> Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...
> >I think it is important to keep in mind that food products need to be
> >kept in their nutritional context, rather than their botanical, for
> >purposes of health. For this reason, tomatoes, with seeds, have a
> >nutritional make-up that is much more akin to that of most vegetables.
> I will repeat it one more time for the benefit of the truly stupid on
> this THREAD. That includes our Twit bicker.
Ut-oh. John has gotten access to Daddy's computer again.
> Hark! My private health newsgroup beckons!
Hark! Will his self-absorption ever end?
--
¤bicker¤ 263/158
John 'the Man'
rambled on about "Re: Questions about fruit.."
Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...
>What?!?! But what could be more objective than an accurate image
>of John 'the Man' Gohde as a 'picture of health', all
Then you obviously don't know very much.
What a surprise?
Ha, ... Hah, Ha!
John 'the Man'
rambled on about "Re: Questions about fruit.."
Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...
>Ut-oh. John has gotten access to Daddy's computer again.
You are the dumbest Twit who has ever visited smn in a long time.
And, I do mean visited.
Plonk! yet, once again. :-(
--
John Gohde,
John M. Williams
> rambled on about "Re: Questions about fruit.."
> Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...
>
> >What?!?! But what could be more objective than an accurate image
> >of John 'the Man' Gohde as a 'picture of health', all
>
> Then you obviously don't know very much.
>
> What a surprise?
>
> Ha, ... Hah, Ha!
When you write little self-affirmations like that one, does it silence
the voices in your head?
slenon
>And, I do mean visited.
And what is creating your own iron deficiency by means of lies to blood
donor centers? Is it an art or a science?
--
Stev
Still dancing in the Phil Zone & scattering Garcia ashes
Stev Lenon MT(ASCP) - In healthcare the ultimate bottom line is patients not
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bicker
<DeMan[81]@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >Ut-oh. John has gotten access to Daddy's computer again.
> You are the dumbest Twit who has ever visited smn in a long time.
> And, I do mean visited.
> Plonk! yet, once again. :-(
Does this mean you're going to stop cussing at me for highlighting the
failures in your logic?
Janet
> That is what I love about smn.
>
> The dolts on it are too stupid to realize just how stupid their
> comments about nutrition truly are. :-(
Janet retorts thusly:
ROFLOL!!! :) Oh John you are so witty and so very funny!!! LOL!!
Thankyou for making me laugh. It's good to see a bit of humour on
this board. Tell me, at which theatre are you currently performing
and does your doctor know?
As a favour I have a fantastic recipe for you. I'm sure we're all
very familiar with the old Mrs Beeton's recipe for mashed potatoes, as
follows:
Take 3lb strawberries, 1lb plums and 1 dozen pears. Boil gently until
soft. Mash and add butter and......voila.......the best mashed
potatoes in the world!! :)
Continuing on a more serious note;
Amongst humanity exists human life in varying stages of maturity,
intelect and senile decay. Naturally senile decay would occur in the
later stages of life. Maturity and intelect would occur at prime.
The peak of intelect and maturity 'should' occur simultaneously. In
some people this occurs later in life than in others and in a sad
few...never!
A fruit is a fruit is a fruit. Proccessing cannot genetically alter
the derivative or origin. Chicken does not become lamb when cooked.
Lamb does not become beef when cooked. An egg does not become a
potatoe when cooked. The first chef who is able to perform this
miracle will go down in the history books as a genius!
Quad erat demonstrandum.
Do please continue injecting your humour in to this newsgroup. I
can't speak for everyone but you certainly give me a good laugh!
John M. Williams
>
> A fruit is a fruit is a fruit. Proccessing cannot genetically alter
> the derivative or origin. Chicken does not become lamb when cooked.
> Lamb does not become beef when cooked. An egg does not become a
> potatoe when cooked. The first chef who is able to perform this
> miracle will go down in the history books as a genius!
>
> Quad erat demonstrandum.
But wait! John 'the Wanker' Godhe is a nut. How do you explain that?
suzee
> Hark! Will his self-absorption ever end?
Not in this lifetime....
John 'the Man'
rambled on about "Re: Questions about fruit.."
Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...
>Oh John you are so witty and so very funny!!! LOL!!
Who the heck are you?
--
John Gohde,
Achieving good Health is an Art, NOT a Science!
Health-with-Attitude is a support group for people
trying to follow a Healthy Lifestyle.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Health-with-Attitude/
John@getstev.com Sir John
I see no reason to have an emotional breakdown in public over the proper
classification of the tomato.
This THREAD is clearly a marker for how little the participants in smn
actually know about nutrition.
Anybody who thas trouble comprehending something so simple as how food is
classified into food groups, and resorts to calling me names is clearly
immature. :-)
"Janet" <janetm...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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John M. Williams
>
>Perhaps, if you were to focus?
>
>I see no reason to have an emotional breakdown in public over the proper
>classification of the tomato.
>
>This THREAD is clearly a marker for how little the participants in smn
>actually know about nutrition.
>
>Anybody who thas trouble comprehending something so simple as how food is
>classified into food groups, and resorts to calling me names is clearly
>immature. :-)
Why? Because they don't agree with your self-deluded reclassification
of the world's plant life?
Maybe it's time you went back on your meds.
John@getstev.com Sir John
news:t3s5muom912eu6o20...@4ax.com...
> Why? Because they don't agree with your self-deluded reclassification
> of the world's plant life?
Yeah, just imagine me having the nerve to say that a Fruit eaten as a Fruit
is a Fruit.
jril...@digitsbigpond.net.au
wrote:
>"John M. Williams" <jmwil...@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote in message
The Klass Klown strikes again!!!
So a leg of lamb eaten as a block of chocolate is a bowl of caviar?
Jesuswept, you're thick!
joe remove digits to email
jril...@digitsbigpond.net.au
<jmwil...@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
>"Janet" <janetm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> A fruit is a fruit is a fruit. Proccessing cannot genetically alter
>> the derivative or origin. Chicken does not become lamb when cooked.
>> Lamb does not become beef when cooked. An egg does not become a
>> potatoe when cooked. The first chef who is able to perform this
>> miracle will go down in the history books as a genius!
>>
>> Quad erat demonstrandum.
>
>But wait! John 'the Wanker' Godhe is a nut.
Pea, wall or fruit'n?
jril...@digitsbigpond.net.au
<DeMan[81]@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Once upon a time, our fellow bicker
> rambled on about "Re: Questions about fruit.."
>Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...
>
>>Ut-oh. John has gotten access to Daddy's computer again.
>
>You are the dumbest Twit who has ever visited smn in a long time.
>And, I do mean visited.
>
>Plonk! yet, once again. :-(
Is your plonker not working properly?
jril...@digitsbigpond.net.au
<DeMan[81]@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Once upon a time, our Twit bicker
> rambled on about "Re: Questions about fruit.."
>Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...
>
>>I think it is important to keep in mind that food products need to be
>>kept in their nutritional context, rather than their botanical, for
>>purposes of health. For this reason, tomatoes, with seeds, have a
>>nutritional make-up that is much more akin to that of most vegetables.
>
>I will repeat it one more time for the benefit of the truly stupid on
>this THREAD. That includes our Twit bicker.
>
>A true Fruit, which in this case is the tomato, WHEN it is eaten raw
>like a fruit; It is really a Fruit nutritionally speaking.
>
>A true Fruit, which in this case is the tomato, WHEN it is eaten
>cooked like a vegetable; It is really a Vegetable nutritionally
>speaking.
And the difference nutritionally between a blanched tomato and a raw
tomato is?
>Hark! My private health newsgroup beckons!
A newsgroup for one onanist :)
jril...@digitsbigpond.net.au
<sci.med....@brianandrobbie.com.1NVAL1D> wrote:
>I think it is important to keep in mind that food products need to be
>kept in their nutritional context, rather than their botanical, for
>purposes of health. For this reason, tomatoes, with seeds, have a
>nutritional make-up that is much more akin to that of most vegetables.
Like punkins, and zucks and caps. I agree.
Fruits are sweet, and veges are savory -- nutritonally
jril...@digitsbigpond.net.au
<sci.med....@brianandrobbie.com.1NVAL1D> wrote:
>On Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:40:10 -0400, John M. Williams
><jmwil...@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
>> John 'the Man' <DeMan[81]@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >This THREAD once again painfully points out just how pathetic the
>> >participants of this ng really are when it comes to common knowledge
>> >about nutrition. :-(
>> Uh-huh. Did you ride a short bus to school as a young lad? Did they
>> make you wear a hockey helmet?
>
>He does come-across like some sort of certifiable idiot, doesn't he?
>You don't really think he is, medically, a few fries short of a happy
>meal, do you?
Sarnie short of a picnic :)
jril...@digitsbigpond.net.au
>Ann R Quay <ann.r...@virgin.net> wrote in message news:<3D5E1AFF...@virgin.net>...
>> I have a goal to eat more fruit because 'they' say it's good for you.
>> I've been eating kiwi fruit lately as it is one of the only fruits I
>> like but really, how long can a person eat kiwi and look forward to it.
>> Other than kiwi, fresh strawberries and some melon I generally do not
>> like fruit.
>>
>> 1 - Is there anything in fruit (nutritionally) that isn't in vegetables?
>>
>> 2 - Are tomatoes fruit? I've heard this before and I'm wondering if I
>> eat a lot of tomatoes (and I do) is eating (other) fruit necessary?
>>
>> 3 - Are dried fruits; dates, raisins, dried apricots, still considered
>> fruit? (Cos I like these - in things.)
>>
>> Essentially, I'm wondering if eating fruit is really necessary
>> considering a healthy diet otherwise (I eat a lot of fresh veggies -
>> more than the 'recommended daily intake' and I vary what veggies I eat
>> and how they are prepared plus various sources of protein, I don't eat a
>> lot of junk food, etc...) because I just really don't like eating it.
>
>Eat your fruits, but if you can only eat one make it bluberries.
But preferably vary them. Bluberries almost certainly contain
carcinogens and other toxins, so if you only eat these, you may get a
significanyt dose. Variety is the key, never let Mother Nature ping
you with an overdose from following some diet fad :)
jril...@digitsbigpond.net.au
<michaelri...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Anything with seeds, or should have seeds in them are fruits.
Pretty close, but there are always exceptions. Rhubarb is often lumped
in with fruit.
Pumpkins, peppers, cucumbers, capsicum.... Usually veges.
jril...@digitsbigpond.net.au
>Sir John wrote:
>>
>> "Alex Brands" <abbr...@artsci.wustl.edu> wrote in message
>> news:Pine.GSO.4.31.02081...@ascc.artsci.wustl.edu...
>>
>> > > >2 - Are tomatoes fruit? I've heard this before and I'm wondering if I
>> > > >eat a lot of tomatoes (and I do) is eating (other) fruit necessary?
>> > >
>> > > Yes, when eaten raw. They are vegetables when cooked. Just my
>> > > opinion, but I am right!
>> >
>> > How about bananas? Do they become vegetables when cooked? Apples?
>>
>> What is the problem mate?
>>
>> In the irrational world of human nutrition, Fruits are eaten raw while
>> vegetables are cooked. I got a reference on it. Do you really need a
>> reference? How about an act of Congress?
>
>Does that mean that raw carrots are fruit? Or celery, zucchini, spinach,
>lettuce, broccoli or cauliflower? All of which are very often eaten raw.
You're wasting your time arguing with the group idiot.
Sometimes it's fun, poking pointy sticks at fools, but please don't
try to bang any sense into that lump on top of its shoulders. It will
only end up in your frustration.
jril...@digitsbigpond.net.au
<abbr...@artsci.wustl.edu> wrote:
>On Sat, 17 Aug 2002, it was written:
>> Once upon a time, our fellow Ann R Quay
>> rambled on about "Questions about fruit.."
>> Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...
>>
>> >2 - Are tomatoes fruit? I've heard this before and I'm wondering if I
>> >eat a lot of tomatoes (and I do) is eating (other) fruit necessary?
>>
>> Yes, when eaten raw. They are vegetables when cooked. Just my
>> opinion, but I am right!
>
>How about bananas? Do they become vegetables when cooked? Apples?
Gohde's off his face on something. I would take very little notice of
what he says.
Hua Kul
> On 18 Aug 2002 18:28:57 -0700, g...@adres.nl (Hua Kul) wrote:
>
> >
> >Eat your fruits, but if you can only eat one make it bluberries.
>
> Variety is the key...
> <snip>
Agreed, but our Ann indicated she didn't really like eating any fruit.
--Hua Kul
jril...@digitsbigpond.net.au
Force yourself! :)