how chemical poisoning affects YOU
a_wri...@pop.fuse.net
I just wanted to tell every one, I saw the movie Civil Action last night and
wouldn't you know it, silicone was mentioned as one of the chemicals that
caused the death of many children in the town of Woborn. Seems that mixed
with TCE-Trichoroethylene, it is A sure cancer agent.
(http://www.safe2use.com/health/waterwell.htm)interesting reading from A
survivor. I might add that employees that worked at G.E. cleaned engines
that had silicone on them with trichoroethylene, on A daily basis. I'm not
sure if it is mentioned on line, but it was A LOUD voice in the movie!
Learn something new;
Amanda
Jean Wootton wrote:
> Sorry guys/gals...
> have to cross-post...we must educate and get some action going - support
> EPA and www.gascape.org
>
> If you cannot see the correlations to your illnesses, you have not read
> enough on this site...or are not a logical-thinking person. (and for
> anyone with an implant rejection/disease..this does NOT conflict just
> further shows what poisoning can do to the body...some subtle some
> obvious like yourselves)
>
> <http://www.gascape.org/index%20/Health%20effects%20of%20Dioxins.html>
>
> Jean
>
> <snip>The Hormone-like Action of Dioxins.
>
> The Ah receptor has functions other than enzyme induction. It also
>
> controls mgenes and cell functions, especially those regulating
> growth
> and the differentiation of cells. Dioxin is similar to natural
> hormone
> molecules such as thyroxin which is produced by the thyroid gland
> and which regulates the general metabolism of the body; both are
> flat
> aromatic molecules.
>
> Thyroxin is unusual because it contains a carbon-iodine bond and
> is
> therefore one of the few natural molecules in the body to contain
> a
> halogen.
>
> Natural hormones affect each other: they do not act in a vacuum;
> so
> dioxin's hormone-like activity may also indirectly alter the
> levels and
> activity of hormones not immediately acted on by dioxin. For
> instance, oestrogen needs to bind to a receptor to be active and
> TCDD has been found to decrease the number of oestrogen receptors
> in human cells (Safe 1980), thus reducing the effects of oestrogen
>
> (Safe et al.,1990). Certain oestrogen dependent cancers in rats
> were
> actually reduced by exposure to TCDD (Kociba, 1978).
>
> Hormones, like dioxins, act in minute quantities: women's
> non-pregnancy oestrogen levels range from 61 to 437 parts per
> trillion
> of blood serum (Tietz, 1983). We have around 30 ppt of dioxin TEQs
>
> in our fat: this is around 1 ppt in blood serum.
>
> The variety of effects seen in a wide range of organs in the body
> can
> be explained by the interference of dioxin with growth regulation.
>
> Growth occurs by means of cell division. Dioxins appear to affect
> the
> process by mwhich cells acquire individual characteristics. In the
>
> foetus especially the interference with this process whereby cells
> are
> organised can be devastating: resulting in birth defects such as
> cleft
> palate. They also cause uncontrolled growth of cells, something
> that
> suggests a mechanism for cancer promotion.
>
> The dioxin-related effects which have been observed are all on
> epithelial cells, which form the lining of many different organs
> and
> parts of the body. The damage done by TCDD to the thymus gland,
> urinary tract, liver and bile ducts is caused by disruption of the
> growth
> of epithelial cells in these organs. The skin is made up of
> epithelial
> cells, and chloracne is caused by overgrowth and altered
> differentiation of skin cells. It is interesting to note that in
> the embryo,
> there is a close relationship between nerve cells (brain, spinal
> cord and
> nerves) and epithelial cells which form skin and organ linings.
> All these
> cells are formed from the same section of the early embryo.
>
> Another mechanism that has been proposed for TCDD, that could help
>
> explain the birth defects seen after exposure, is that TCDD, by
> binding to the Ah receptor for too long, may produce a signal at
> the
> wrong time during organ formation. As a result, cells may become
> specialised too late, thus causing malformation (Silbergeld &
> Gasiewicz, 1989). Although dioxins have been shown to act
> exclusively through the Ah receptor, knowledge is not complete,
> and
> it is possible that there are further undiscovered mechanisms,
> such as
> action through another receptor.
>
> The variation of TCDD effects between species and strains
>
> The toxicity of TCDD in any species is dependent both on how many
> Ah receptors the animal in question has and also on the genes
> activated when the TCDD and Ah receptor are attached to the DNA.
> The response of DNA to the altered receptor also varies and is
> hereditary; with differences in susceptibility to TCDD also
> existing
> between strains (Byard, 1987).
>
> The TCDD dose that produces rapid death varies a great deal
> between
> species: of the animals tested, the hamster is least susceptible,
> with a
> fatal dose of 5 mg /kg bodyweight while a dose 100 times smaller
> than this will kill a rat (Silbergeld & Gasiewicz, 1989).
>
> Sub-lethal effects are seen at far lower doses, e.g. in mice, a
> dose
> which is 4000 times less than a fatal dose will significantly
> alter the
> ability of mice to produce cell-killing T-lymphocytes (a white
> blood cell
> important for immunity) (Silbergeld & Gasiewicz, 1989). Immune
> system effects are similar for various animals. TCDD induced
> changes
> in the thymus and liver occur at the same dose levels in the
> hamster
> as in otherwise more sensitive species (Silbergeld & Gasiewicz,
> 1989).
> The rat and the hamster are also very similar where birth defects
> are
> concerned. In both animals, a maternal dose of 1.5 ug/kg
> bodyweight
> produced different, but equally serious, effects in the foetus
> <snip>
Jean Wootton
BetsyD
Anything you may care to post to the Fibro group is welcome, as long as it
doesn't contain your editorializing and is not cross-posted.
BD
Jean Wootton wrote:
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MZ
DEBBEE1023
cases....thanks to my employer who was too cheap to buy chemicals that were
safe, because he wanted to continue to machine various "tougher materials", I
have N-Hexane, machine/oil exhaust, and about 50 metals/minerals in my body
that I didn't have before I went to work there.
I spent 6 weeks in Dallas at the Environmental Health Center here, to get the
muchly needed testing that my traditional medicine HMO (Kaiser) couldn't
understand....I have a low blood platelet problem...due to
chemicals/metals/minerals, used at work, with little or no ventiliation, and
now have since graduated to being sensitive to vehicle exhaust....
I've also learned about the QME's that work for the insurance companies as
well.....they are basically paid not to find anything wrong, and tell you it is
"all in your head." I know, my employer "bribed" two of them, and that was
because I was "honest" and gave him the name of the doctors I was
seeing.....and instead of just trying to help me get well, he has fought me and
fought me....I'm now on a Workers Compensation Appeal, and in the meantime, I'm
trying to find work that I can do out of my house, because I'm so sensitive to
everything, including foods, plastics, water (unless it is distilled), and the
list goes on and on....
Toxicologist last week told me that there is no proven treatment method, and no
cure for what I have. But I'll be damned if I am going to live like this the
rest of my life...I'm taking what I learned in Dallas...and this stuff is so
slowly coming out of my body.....taking lots of supplements, eating whole foods
(on a rotation diet), and using "sauna" to sweat the stuff out of my
system......
Lots of people I met there had had lots of mercury fillings in their teeth, and
thank goodness I didn't, but this also poisons people....traditional doctors
"just don't get it.", and I think it is high time they "woke up"....and smelled
the coffee.....
Just because they have never heard of it, they shouldn't dismiss it, as being
in people's heads....
Debbee
Custer had it coming!
Jean Wootton
So would you say that you now have MCS? (multiple chemical sensitivity).?
In addition, I am now exhibiting signs of porphyria (acute intermittent AIP)..go
into acute pain when I come in contact with many chemicals. Very dangerous
situation ...if I should end up at wrong hospital, given dyes for testing,
anesthetics for surgery or the wrong pill...you can die for this. I have to get
tested...but in the meantime, a life emergency (moving)...
I feel for you. My grandfather was exposed to chemicals over a long period at work
(printer's shop I think)..then one day a spill and he died. I now believe that he
too had porphyria (inherited).
I know what it is like to have to view everything and everyone with suspicion and
make new rules ...I am virtually a prisoner in my home (cannot tolerate being near
most perfumes, car exhaust (traffic), cleaning products, cigars...and most people
have no patience with me (they think that I am being "difficult"...they don't
realize that it is a REAL medical condition).
Best wishes
Jean
(and why did Custer have it coming?)
DEBBEE1023 wrote:
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"This generation will have to repent,
not so much for the wicked deeds of the evil people,
but for the appalling silence of the good people!"
- Martin Luther King
DEBBEE1023
that I filed against them...told them to send me an "appeals" form....and I
told them if I had to sue 'each and every doctor", I had no problem "going
there." They claim "it is all in my head"....I claim, it is not..."the proof
is in the paperwork, you idiots"....they sent me to a toxicologist at UCSF that
did no medical testing, and decided, it was "all in my head." I have since
found out about "Toxicologists" that are paid by insurance companies, they are
paid NOT to find anything wrong with you, and I was advised by a doctor at
Kaiser, not to "push the issue." Well, the way, I look at it, it is not my
fault that my employer was "neglient", and it wasn't like I drank the stuff to
make myself sick, and common sense dictates that chemicals do have an affect on
the immune system.
One of the girls I met in Dallas, was told by one of these Toxicologists that
she had an "acute adjustment disorder", and told she was crazy.
I think it is pretty "stupid" for a physician to state that it isn't chemicals
when they haven't done any medical testing themselves, <no bloodwork, etc>, and
why most traditional doctors cannot accept the fact, that chemicals do cause
damage to people.....people that get hooked on illegal drugs, are just living
proof of this......
I understand where you are coming from, trust me, I have to wear a face mask, a
small breathing unit, that constantly cleans the air that I breathe, and I have
screamed to be heard...it effects women 6:1 over men. I am also allergic now
to car exhaust, perfume, new smells, plastics, etc. Its a sheer joy, but I am
not going to die, and I'm going to rise above it all...and prove to traditional
medicine physicians that alternative medicine does work.....:)
The problem with most doctors is that they feel that are God-Like, and no one
has the right to judge anyone unless they too have walked in someone else's
shoes, and know exactly what the pain, is all about.....:)
Debbee
P.S. Custer has it coming, and my HMO is going to have it coming too....:)
Custer had it coming!
Jean Wootton
go girl !!!
I wish that I could connect you with a friend of mine...she was first person
officially recognized by US gov't as MCS (she gave witness at your
government...house/senate...I don't remember)...she has had to back off
activisim...too sick... maybe some day..all 3 of us can connect eh?
Keep on fighting for what is right.
Jean
PS Still don't understand what you have against Custer <g>
DEBBEE1023 wrote:
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Zinn...@webtv.net
by products, IMO. They can poison us with impunity.
I saw Dr. Randolf in 1984 in Chicago. I could not go through the detox
at Henrotin Hospital because of finances.
1993 went to Randolf Clinic in Arlington Heights. Blood profiles
revealed many nasty chems in blood, n-hexane, pcb's, lindane, chlordane,
methylpentains, ddt, and few others.
Mainstream medicine 'has never heard of such a thing, 'chemicals are our
friends.'
I have spent this last 20 years defending my health. Even with documents
in hand, I am written off as 'all in your head'. Now the damage to
immune system is recognized , but not the cause.
There is much valuable information available. Please feel free to
contact me and we can share info.
We, John Q. Public, are being duped. I was hairdresser, and our
personal care products have all sorts of nasty chemical combinations.
Many people fail to realize these products go on our skin and absorbs
into our tissues, we breath them, we eat them.
One last comment. There is a book,
CHEMICAL EXPOSURE AND HUMAN HEALTH by CYNTHIA WILSON
It is in alpabetical form, lists many chemicals and products that
contain them, and health risks. Many books, much proof of chemical
damage.
In my opinion you are in only place in America that beleives and fights
for our health.
Prayers to you,
Zinn
Rogene
snip .....
> the tenor of this group. How DARE you?! Contrary to what the single digit
> IQ crowd believes, insulting someone is NOT the way to bring them 'round to
> your way of thinking.
Do Whaaa???????
a_wri...@pop.fuse.net
thing.However you always have the choice of agreeing or not.I'm not sure where
you get the manipulating part at?Don't understand the emotional comment as
well.
I feel your I.Q. comments tells allot about your mental state, you need a
chill pill for you stroke out, if one little post upsets you that much!
Kerhet wrote:
> It is rare that I have something negative to say on our newsgroup; however,
> I'd like you to be aware that pathetic attempts to bully me into reading a
> website via emotional manipulation simply are not successful. You don't
> know me, you don't know my thought processes, and you obviously don't know
> the tenor of this group. How DARE you?! Contrary to what the single digit
> IQ crowd believes, insulting someone is NOT the way to bring them 'round to
> your way of thinking.
>
Kerhet
I'd like you to be aware that pathetic attempts to bully me into reading a
website via emotional manipulation simply are not successful. You don't
know me, you don't know my thought processes, and you obviously don't know
the tenor of this group. How DARE you?! Contrary to what the single digit
IQ crowd believes, insulting someone is NOT the way to bring them 'round to
your way of thinking.
DEBBEE1023
you might learn something NEW.....and heaven forbid that that
happens...<grin>....but seriously, I don't see any manipulation in this thread,
because it is obviously there is a major NEED for physicians to understand how
chemical poisoning affects people to "give us a break"...it has majorly
effected my immune system, and there has to be a "crossroad" where traditional
and alternative medicine meets. And where traditional doctors meet
untraditional patients (like myself), and instead of "judging the book by the
cover", and forming opinions based on someone else's opinion, <without doing
any medical testing for themselves>, and realizing that non-traditional
treatments are working for people like myself, to "detoxify" and get this stuff
out of our systems. Just like with alcohol, and drug abuse....people sweat
this stuff out of their system the next day....and it has been proven that
Vitamin C is a great healer.....so what part of none of this makes any
sense....
I hope for you....that you don't get sprayed by pesticides or find yourself in
a cloud of vehicle exhaust, and almost die......ask me, my whole world and the
way I exist has changed....ever have to wear an air purifier around your neck,
every minute of the day, and wear a mask that filters out stuff that used to
not bother you???
Chemicals can kill.....when are traditional medical doctors going to get a
clue???? You cannot bury your head in the sand the rest of your life.
lightlady
i'm not sure *which* ng you belong to..Jean has crossposted this to many
ngs..jean has also become very beligerent to the fact that crossposting
can start such big flame wars..mainly because we don't know each other
at all...people are reading things but do not have any background from
the *other*ng..tempers start flaring and things get blown out of
proportion..on amf ng, jean has been creating havoc by this cross
posting which she has told us is *her right*, even tho she has been
asked tostop..she has told us if we don't listen to *her* we don't want
to get better..her tone has been condesending and beligerent..
please,remember,if itis crossposted, please give someone the benefit of
the doubt,,maybe they have a reason to be angry & hurt...jean sure has
had some negative comments about certain ng peoples IQ...*that* is
probably what ker was refering to..i know i lost respect for jean, when
she made the comment..please check deja archives for the full
story..ok??
--
your friend
lynn :-)
'digging for facts, is better than jumping to conclusions"
ICQ#33828947
http://planetall.homestead.com/lightlady/home.html
DEBBEE1023
the newsgroups. Education for people that are Chemically Sensitive like myself
is necessary, because quite frankly, I'm tried of doctors, dismissing my real
symptoms as being "in my head." Until, people have been exposed, <namely
doctors> like the rest of us, then it is our job to educate those that don't
understand us, and label as as "crazy" because we have REAL symptoms, and the
chemicals play havoc on our bodies. And since there isn't a real proven
treatment available, an exchange of ideas is also important. What has worked
for someone else that is "chemically sensitive" might help someone else out, or
they might have friends that have had a lot of wierd symptoms <me, for
instance, my "big toes have HURT beyond HURT for the past 10 years>, and as it
comes to find out, I was exposed to the machining of molybdenum <a trace
mineral>, and I have an overabundance of it in my body, but I wouldn't have
known about this if it hadn't been for a newsgroup.
Instead of "belitting" a poster, and judging his/her self, respond to the post,
and not the poster. Not one of us has the right to judge anyone, only God can
do that. I've run into some doctors that think they are right up there with
God, and have judged and belittled me. And no one has the "right" to judge
anyone. People with "environmental illness" like myself, are often referred to
as "canaries", because "education" is so important, we need to spread the seeds
of knowledge, and "sing" our song so that others will gain the knowledge and
have a little more understanding for us. Remember, it could happen to anyone.
And for people like us, "we have had to go to great lengths to be heard."
The beauty of the newsgroups is the "right" to post your opinions about
something, or your experiences, and to share ideas or concepts, and gain a
little more insight on each other as fellow human beings. Remember, your
"rights" begin where my "rights" end, and my "rights" begin, where your
"rights" end....and as long as the "subject" matter pertains to the newsgroup,
who are we to judge?????
Debbee
Zinn...@webtv.net
As a diagnosed Chemical Poisoned Civilian, 15 years now, the giant we
face is not so much each other as it is the the money market, we the
people are the ones being duped by clever advertising,and we are the
paycheck and the genia pigs for the Corporate sector.
Chemical poisoning mimicks other disease. And disease names have been
given to the ravages of the damage caused by seemingly 'wonderful'
products.
Anyone who wants to learn more can put,
MULTIPLE CHEMICALLY SENSITIVE, in their search mode.
People will not pay attention until it happens to them. None of my
family or friends have taken any information to help themselves.
And the patient dies from complications (period)......
Deebee, I wish you well. And a new journey begins for you.
Prayers,
Zinn
DEBBEE1023
others that have written in this thread have had to go through, and obviously,
"being nice" doesn't do a thing. Especially with the medical profession that
thinks "we are all crazy". I was extremely nice, very nice, nice, then
sarcastic, sarcastic nice, and in the process fired 40+ doctors because they
refused to listen to all of my symptoms, and just looked at the "platelet
problem". (failing to see that the rest of my very real symptoms...including
my menstrual period that disappeared 2 years ago has once more returned, on a
regular cycle, and they cannot explain this)....unfortunately, doctors that
understand people that go through this, are few and far between, and there is
no known treatment or cure, so I'm sorry that you took the thread that was
written as "insulting", because unfortunately, it seems that people like
yourself (which are in the majority) have NO CLUE about environmental illness.
And until you end up there, or know someone personally, people like yourself
will go through life thinking that people like us are insulting. Quite the
opposite.
Dr. William Rea, who started the Environmental Health Center in Dallas got
sprayed with pesticides in the late 60's, and nearly went out of his mind
trying to find someone to listen to him...when he recovered, he opened the
clinic so that people would not have to suffer like he suffered getting help.
He is also the doctor that saved the life of the Governor of Texas on 11/22/63,
a cardio-vascular surgeon, so he isn't a "quack".
Man is his own worse enemy, and our lives are full of toxins, including the
foods that we eat.....if people do not realize what they are doing to
themselves, they will end up like some of us have. And no one deserves to be
environmentally ill.....and I, for one, appreciate the person that started this
thread, and if you find it insulting to read this information, my advice is
don't read it, but don't belittle the person that has chosen to post
(regardless of how many newsgroups it is in) because there will be other people
that aren't so tunnel visioned that will find it helpful to either themselves
or others that they know that have the same or similar symptoms, are "going out
of their minds" trying to get help.
Sharing is caring.....and I, for one, care about all people, and obviously the
person that started this thread does too. And if you don't care to read it,
don't....but don't belittle the people that are willing to unselfishly educate
those that are willing to learn.
Debbee <off her soapbox for the moment>
Ann
I wrote the Puzzle for MD's. I am suffering and have been for a long time. I
explained to five different doctors that I feel like I am being poisoned. Not one
of them can give me a reason as to WHY I am living in so much pain. If you could
read the symptoms I have and let me know if they are similar to yours. They are
listed below as a puzzle for MD's.
I can not except fibromyalgia as a diagnosis, I believe there is no such thing and
it's a medical term for doctors that do not know. I've read stories that people
were diagnosed with fibromyalgia only to find out later they have serious diseases.
There are many herbs to detoxify the body of pollutants, including charcoal
tablets. Maybe that will be the direction I take, but I would like to know and find
out more about the build up of toxins within the body and how to find it, and rid
it. I do believe perhaps that some of us dianosed with LD,MS,CFS, FMS and Gulf war
syndrome could be all in the same boat, if you noticed, the symptoms are very
similar, and to my knowledge there are no "100% accurate tests" for any of them
(please, correct me if I'm wrong).
Hang tuff,
Good Luck to you and the rest of us,
Ann
Jean Wootton
Technical problems...should be able to get/receive e-mail later today.
I am happy to see you did not Fall into dog potholes <g>
Jean
Zinn...@webtv.net wrote:
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