Kathleen, take my name off your website.
LymeRayja
By jumping on the antisemitic bandwagon and trying to claim that the
"Mossad" runs the world and is responsible for the Lyme cover-up, you
have kicked the biggest own goal of your life.
You havent got a shred of evidence to back up this nonsense, just a
load of far right people hanging round you pretending to be your
friends.
Take my name and my story off your website. I dissociate myself from
you.
Next time you want someone to organise a support group when you're
introuble, ,aybe your white nationalist friends will help you.
Goodbye ex-friend.
Lisa
kathleen
responsible for 9/11 and other crimes- that is, stacking
the WTC with explosives.
I am not antisemitic.
I am anti-Iraeli spy and spin. I am anti- Zuckerman and
his empire, and I am anti-global financial criminals like
the Bush family.
I am anti-Trust. My relatives invented the concept,
remember. Standard Oil.
Kathleen
===================================
oklahomaisfo...@yahoo.com
kathleen wrote:
> It happens to be true, that the Israeli intelligence is
> responsible for 9/11
What a load of paranoid schizophrenic conspiracy theory BULLSHIT.
KathLOON you stinking pig, take this CRAP to some hate site. THIS IS
SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT LYME DISEASE YOU FREAKING IDIOT NOT YOUR TWISTED
SICK HATE GROUP PERSONAL AGENDA
>and other crimes- that is, stacking the WTC with explosives.
BULLSHIT
> I am not antisemitic.
YES YOU ARE YOU NAZI PIG! I HOPE YOU BURN IN A KKK OVEN--YOU KNOW YOUR
NAZI FRIENDS DIDN'T JUST EXTERMINATE JEWS--THEY ALSO EXTERMINATED THE
MENTALLY ILL LIKE YOU YOU PIECE OF HUMAN SHIT!
> I am anti-Iraeli spy and spin.
YOU ARE COMPLETELY FREAKING INSANE AND A HATEFUL PIECE OF CRAP JUST
LIKE YOUR EX FRIEND LISA AND YOUR CURRENT ENABLERS MOCKINGCRAP AND
GREATFISHCRAP AND CALC THE NAZI BITCH FROM HELL
>I am anti- Zuckerman and
> his empire, and I am anti-global financial criminals like
> the Bush family.
NO YOU ARE JUST FREAKING INSANE
> I am anti-Trust. My relatives invented the concept,
> remember. Standard Oil.
NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOU GO F YOURSELF YOU PIECE OF CRAP
paid steere plant
MENTALLY ILL LIKE YOU YOU PIECE OF HUMAN SHIT!
................................................
you know, I've been wondering about calling someone a "piece of human
shit". I think I may have used this insult in the past, but now I'm
thinking: what exactly does this mean? is it better to be called a
"piece of human shit" than, for instance, a "piece of donkey shit"? or
is it worse? or should we not bother with discrepancies. are these
distinctions important, from a philological standpoint? if so, what is
the lowest form of shit (excepting drittemann)? is cat shit worse than
dog shit? or is this purely a subjective interpretation - perhaps
someone who hates cats, but values dogs, would consider cat shit to be
worse, while a cat lover would believe the converse. or should we
attempt to rate "- shit" insults from the evolutionary standpoint, with
the least evolved form of shit recieving the most insulting status?
Amoeba shit? Have you ever heard someone called a piece of amoeba shit?
I don't even really know if amoebas actually shit - since they don't
have an anus, perhaps not.
however, even from the evolutionary standpoint, we must be careful.
Octopi - from the class Mollusca - are considered to be low on the
evolutionary ladder, yet are far more intelligent than "more evolved"
creatures in Pisces and Amphibia. Indeed, to be called a piece of
"octopus shit" is far more honorable than to be called a piece of "toad
shit" - a very ugly perjorative.
more later on this very important topic.
Frank de Groot
> It happens to be true, that the Israeli intelligence is
> responsible for 9/11 and other crimes- that is, stacking
> the WTC with explosives.
How do you know?
They /knew/ about it, but that doesn't mean they /caused/ it..
Yes they warned the US and they even filmed the whole thing, but what is the
evidence that they put the demolition charges in the WTC? That was done
during a long "maintenance" period right before 9/11, and involved a lot of
workers. Hardly something the Mossad could pull off. It was a CIA job, as
they "pulled" both Building 7 as well as the Eisenhower Building, both CIA
HQ's.
> I am not antisemitic.
>
> I am anti-Iraeli spy and spin.
You mean you are anti-Zionist.
To be anti-Israel means you want to deny those poeple a country to live in,
to be anti-Zionist only means that you're a kind of anti-Israeli Republican.
It's the Zionist that cause the trouble in that region, not the Jews per se.
The Zionists are the racists and the fascists but most ordinary Jews are
great people and just want to live in peace (with their neighbors).
> I am anti- Zuckerman and
> his empire, and I am anti-global financial criminals like
> the Bush family.
Yes and don't forget that guy that owned the WTC, Silverstein or something.
It was the biggest insurance scam ever, to blow up those towers. They were
at the end of their lifetime anyway.
Pity that tens of thousands of folks will die of lung cancer due to the
asbestos.
kathleen
I agree with what you say about the WTC.
And if I was antisemitic, I would not be concerned that the
USA's antics in the Middle East will result in Israel being
blown off the map.
A simple equation.
Besides, why would I be writing to Chuck Schumer, primarily,
and Eliot Spitzer, if I was antisemitic.
McSweegan is a Mick, obviously, as is Phil Molloy. Rowland
is a Catholic. Bush is a racist NAZI.
A lot of Christians voted for Bush because they like the
macho of war. They like to hate.
Hatred favors no ethnicity. It's just that Israel took
advantage of us, but we bought into the concept
because we are greedy and choose to overlook the
obvious: Iraq has oil.
Many Jewish Lyme patients bit my ass off for me on
this newsgroup in Oct 2000 for saying if we got Bush we
would be in big trouble because Bush would be about
oil and war.
It's doesn't feel good to be right about everything because
Israel *will* be in big trouble from their enemies, and we
all are already suffering Bush in our own personal ways,
in addition to Lyme.
It doesn't feel good because this country is a dominant
population of fools like Bush. People who feel it is
more important to talk the talk but not walk the walk.
For all our machismo, nobody has any balls.
Such greed and selfishness means people don't care
about their children's future.
This guy Cheney is so delusional, he thinks he can go ahead
and try to convince Congress to sign on to a bill that allows
torture. This is up to the minute USA news, but the most
emailed story yesterday in the Washpost was about football.
I'll never cease to be amazed.
Kathleen
Frank de Groot
> And if I was antisemitic, I would not be concerned that the
> USA's antics in the Middle East will result in Israel being
> blown off the map.
I think there might be, worst-case, one or two or three relatively small
nuclear bombs going off in Israel.
Lets' say Haifa, Tel Aviv and Eilat. (Jerusalem is holy to the ragheads).
(with relatively small, I mean three times Hiroshima, that kind of thing. 50
KT or so, mini-nukes).
Israel won't be wiped off the map by it by far. Just a bunch of city
dwellers dead.
And all Israel's problems will be forever over after that, because they have
hundreds (perhaps as much as 500 but at least 200) nukes.
Not only that, they have a genetically modified virus that kills Arabs. This
is not an urban legend, this has been publicly acknowledged by some of those
dozens of microbiologists who have mysteriously died of "suicide", "car
accident" and "plane crash (accident)".
So.. if someone foolishly tries to wipe Israel "off the map", they will not
like Israel's response.
Only a madman would try to attack Israel. Israel's contingency planning
caters for the total destruction of all large population centers in the
entire muslim world.
Have you read what the plans were of the Soviets in case they would LOOSE a
war with Nato?
They would nuke (with their biggest hydrogen bombs) all European cultural
centers. Munich, Vienna, Rome, Vatican city, Paris etc.
Just out of spite. I think wiping Israel off the map will be the end of the
islamic world. The only places where they will remain intact will be Europe
and the desert. Europe is the "new Arabia" anyway, if they want they can
topple the governments easily. Look how a few kids can set fire to way over
three thousand cars and there isn't jack shit that anyone can do about it,
not even after 10 days.
> Many Jewish Lyme patients bit my ass off for me on
> this newsgroup in Oct 2000 for saying if we got Bush we
> would be in big trouble because Bush would be about
> oil and war.
Most Jews vote Democrat, IIRC.
> It's doesn't feel good to be right about everything because
> Israel *will* be in big trouble from their enemies, and we
> all are already suffering Bush in our own personal ways,
> in addition to Lyme.
Israel is a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, in violation of
many UN resolutions, led by a war criminal.
But such a mafia-state is powerful until other states get nukes. Then Israel
is in a pickle. But no worries, they've said that if Europe won't help them
(or give them a new country, whatever) they will nuke Europe. I am not
making this up. It hasn't been an /official/ statement, but high-ranking
ex-government officials have alluded to this in private conversations.
Israel simply will blackmail Europe into protecting them. Just as how Israel
is blackmailing the US, as you know, the only licenced US phone-tapping
company is physically located in ISRAEL.
> This guy Cheney is so delusional, he thinks he can go ahead
> and try to convince Congress to sign on to a bill that allows
> torture.
It doesn't matter. All countries torture, the US wants to make it legal
(just as it is legal in Israel).
Legal or not, torture they will.
> This is up to the minute USA news, but the most
> emailed story yesterday in the Washpost was about football.
There is not a single web-based newspaper in Norway that doesn't have FIRST
sport, then all the other news.
It's pretty funny, when a few hundred thousand people die in a tsunami or
earthquake, you first have to scroll past how many goals this totally unknow
pussbag-with-a-penis made etc. etc.
oklahomaisfo...@yahoo.com
Oh no another antisemitic MORON chimes in. I guess now that there's two
of you who agree with each other, that makes it true?
> And if I was antisemitic, I would not be concerned that the
> USA's antics in the Middle East will result in Israel being
> blown off the map.
Huh? (Please don't respond, that is a rhetorical "huh" as in what
pathetic excuse for "logic" is that?)
> A simple equation.
Yes. 1+1=the global conspiracy theory of everything that only kathLOON
is smart enough to figure out.
LOL
> Besides, why would I be writing to Chuck Schumer, primarily,
> and Eliot Spitzer, if I was antisemitic.
Like most racist morons your defense is that there's a couple of them
that you find useful? Gee I bet you even have a jewish friend?
Oh yeah--until EVEN that psychotic LISA BITCH finally disowned you.
> McSweegan is a Mick, obviously, as is Phil Molloy. Rowland
> is a Catholic. Bush is a racist NAZI.
And so are YOU a racist Nazi!
> A lot of Christians voted for Bush because they like the
> macho of war. They like to hate.
As apparently do you and your buddy mockingcrapforbrains.
> Hatred favors no ethnicity. It's just that Israel took
> advantage of us, but we bought into the concept
> because we are greedy and choose to overlook the
> obvious: Iraq has oil.
Your political ANALysis is about as insightful as your medical and
scientific blatherings. Meaning about as insightful as a piece of wood.
> Many Jewish Lyme patients bit my ass off for me on
> this newsgroup in Oct 2000 for saying if we got Bush we
> would be in big trouble because Bush would be about
> oil and war.
Oh boy, what a brilliant prediction. Maybe EVERYONE is just sick that
you continue to incessantly insist on posting OFF TOPIC CRAP!
> It's doesn't feel good to be right about everything because
> Israel *will* be in big trouble from their enemies, and we
> all are already suffering Bush in our own personal ways,
> in addition to Lyme.
Well gee kathLOON, you don't have to feel bad. If you'd only realize
that you've never been right about ANYTHING AT ALL other than in your
own delusional freakish waste of a brain you piece of steaming
excrement.
> It doesn't feel good because this country is a dominant
> population of fools like Bush. People who feel it is
> more important to talk the talk but not walk the walk.
Uh you mean like delusional paranoid schizophrenic monster mom
convicted felon mental patients like you who incessantly blabber and in
real life DO NOTHING AT ALL!
> For all our machismo, nobody has any balls.
Oh shut up already for once.
> Such greed and selfishness means people don't care
> about their children's future.
Oh you mean like the selfishness that would compel you to post your off
topic rantings and ravings on this website 24/7/365 instead of trying
to get your own children back?
LOL
> This guy Cheney is so delusional, he thinks he can go ahead
> and try to convince Congress to sign on to a bill that allows
> torture. This is up to the minute USA news, but the most
> emailed story yesterday in the Washpost was about football.
Glad to hear that you'e monitoring what the most emailed story is and
can't figure anything better to do with all the time you have on your
hands. That is so much more important that trying to get your chidlren
back.
> I'll never cease to be amazed.
>
> Kathleen
No you'll NEVER cease to be INSANE!
oklahomaisfo...@yahoo.com
LymeRayja wrote:
> Kathleen, take my name and my story off your website.
>
> By jumping on the antisemitic bandwagon and trying to claim that the
> "Mossad" runs the world and is responsible for the Lyme cover-up, you
> have kicked the biggest own goal of your life.
>
> You havent got a shred of evidence to back up this nonsense, just a
> load of far right people hanging round you pretending to be your
> friends.
Oh you mean like YOU pretended to be her friend because she was the
closest to agreeing with your own insane psychotic ravings you monster
mom?
> Take my name and my story off your website. I dissociate myself from
> you.
Once again proving there is NO HONOR amongst thieves and lunatics!
> Next time you want someone to organise a support group when you're
> introuble, ,aybe your white nationalist friends will help you.
> Goodbye ex-friend.
> Lisa
Oh how sad that these two psychotic raving bitches are no longer
friends!
derdritt...@yahoo.com
kathleen wrote:
>" McSweegan is a Mick, obviously..."
WHAT?
A "MICK"?
Gee, Kathleen, I just can't imagine why some people around here think
you may have a little problem with diversity and multicultural
sensitivity issues.
LOL. I have some friends around here who would be more than happy to
"educate" you about the use of the word "Mick".
Frank de Groot
<oklahomaisfo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> Oh no another antisemitic MORON chimes in. I guess now that there's two
> of you who agree with each other, that makes it true?
Shitman, (for people who camerecently, this person also posts under
"derdritteman"), "antisemite" means "One who hates Jews and Arabs". Please
use words with care, and don't slander people (one reason is that this is
illegal and can easily get your identity forcibly disclosed by your ISP,
even if you use a dozen anonymous remailers in between). The term is
anti-Zionist (One who hates the agressive expansionist fascist plans/actions
of certain political/religious extremist factions in Israel).
Unit 19
>" McSweegan is a Mick, obviously..."
WHAT?
A "MICK"?
.........................................................................
kathleen, check your typing. are you sure you didn't mean "PRICK"? I
think that's why dritte got confused.
derdritt...@yahoo.com
Frank de Groot wrote:
> <oklahomaisfo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
>
> Shitman, (for people who came recently, this person also posts under
> "derdritteman"),
Wrong.
Incorrect.
No.
"Derdrittemann" is NOT "oklahomaisforredneckjerks".
See, yet another example of the faulty logic and erroneous leaps of
conclusion that is so typical of some people around here.
Cytyzens Agaynst Lyme Cryme
"paid steere plant" <mocking...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1131309208....@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Very intriguing topic.
I think that the very worse kind of shit that one can be called is:
"Stupid, Evil Shit"
This speaks of animated shit, not the usual inanimate shit.
You see "stupid" and "evil" imply sentience.
And that's bad when it comes to shit.
(Like: "This is shit. This is your brains on shit.
You have shit for brains. Your shit has a brain."
- not referring to you, of course - )
And Stupid Shit would be way worse than Smart Shit.
And Evil Shit would of course be terribly worse than Good Shit...
in fact, just the other nite, I smoked some... uhhh, nevermind.
The point I'm trying to make is that in this newsgroup,
EvilChuck and Dirtyman are both "Stupid, Evil Shits",
as is George W. Bush.
Their lineage is questionable.
We think that they are triplets and Mr. Hankey sired them.
But, they could just as easily be a by-product of some spirit medium
barfing out a Big Glob of Ectoplasm which gradually split into three
and took shape...
CALC
Cytyzens Agaynst Lyme Cryme
"Frank de Groot" <fran...@online.no> wrote in message
news:pswbf.533$Ti5....@news2.e.nsc.no...
> "kathleen" <kathleen...@snet.net> wrote
>
> > It happens to be true, that the Israeli intelligence is
> > responsible for 9/11 and other crimes- that is, stacking
> > the WTC with explosives.
>
> How do you know?
> They /knew/ about it, but that doesn't mean they /caused/ it..
>
> Yes they warned the US and they even filmed the whole thing, but what is
the
> evidence that they put the demolition charges in the WTC? That was done
> during a long "maintenance" period right before 9/11, and involved a lot
of
> workers. Hardly something the Mossad could pull off. It was a CIA job, as
> they "pulled" both Building 7 as well as the Eisenhower Building, both CIA
> HQ's.
Have to take exception with you there, Frank.
One vanload of "telephone workers" could have "wired" the WTC
buildings in one weekend.
They had Dubya's brother as head of security
of the WTC plaza/complex, so all the necessary security cameras
would've been turned off, and In ONE WEEKEND before that Tuesday
of September 11, 2001, the Mossad could have strategically placed
not that many micro nukes (made in Dimona) which would could be
detonated by remote control. (no hassle of hard-wiring)...
and that vanload of jerks over in Jersey got on top of their vehicle
and whooped in up in celebration when they saw their handiwork
in the form of skyscrapers "collapsing" due to KEROSENE FIRES!...
uuuhhh yeah, and there's a bridge in Brooklyn for sale...
CALC
Cytyzens Agaynst Lyme Cryme
"kathleen" <kathleen...@snet.net> wrote in message
news:1131360482.9...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
No matter how badly natural Jews, cultural Jews and
believing, observant Jews are maligned by the Gross Perversion
that is Secular Zionism, along with its Goyim Cohorts...
God will never allow Israel to be destroyed.
Period.
CALC
Frank de Groot
> No matter how badly natural Jews, cultural Jews and
> believing, observant Jews are maligned by the Gross Perversion
> that is Secular Zionism, along with its Goyim Cohorts...
> God will never allow Israel to be destroyed.
> Period.
Do you have any real evidence to back up your claim of a "God" and that he
won't allow Israel to be destroyed?
Surely the Israeli's do not believe in this, otherwise, why would they have
made so many nuclear bombs?
Frank de Groot
news:11mv304...@corp.supernews.com...
> One vanload of "telephone workers" could have "wired" the WTC
> buildings in one weekend.
Well, something like that happened, yes. The top part of the WTC was
disconnected off electricity for a week or so (no elevators, alarms and
camera's).
> of September 11, 2001, the Mossad could have strategically placed
> not that many micro nukes (made in Dimona) which would could be
> detonated by remote control. (no hassle of hard-wiring)...
Micro-nukes are not practical for that, you would have needed a lot of them
and they are very costly and their yield is a bit too high to be practical.
The smallest micro-nuke still is a powerful a a big truck bomb. To give an
example of the devastation of the smallest nuke, the Bali bombing was most
likely a micro-nuke. It pulverized concrete 300 yards away.
Cytyzens Agaynst Lyme Cryme
"LymeRayja" <lyme...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1131298130.0...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Lisa,
methinks you are once again, over-reacting.
It's kind of like something that another Lyme victim like yourself,
named "WildConder" wrote:
"Now looking back, I know that was a major sign of neurological damage,
[...]
When you have Lyme, everything gets amplified, and its like you can feel
every little sound vibrate through your whole body.
Damage to your nervous system makes you ultra-sensitive,
and puts your startle reflexes on overdrive.
People around you will be scared, and not understand.
[...]
It takes a lot of time and patience to understand
the complex nature of this disease."
I think you're amplifying this notion that Kathleen is anti-semitic
or that I am by what is being written. I think it is due to your Lyme.
I forgive you for calling me an anti-Semite.
CALC
derdritt...@yahoo.com
Frank de Groot wrote:
>
>
> Do you have any real evidence to back up your claim of a "God" and that he
> won't allow Israel to be destroyed?
>
> Surely the Israeli's do not believe in this, otherwise, why would they have
> made so many nuclear bombs?
LOL.
Point in fact...it's already happened several times in the past. Last
time...70 AD, if memory serves...Roman legions destroyed the second
Temple.
But don't let that FACT interfere with your ravings.
Unit 19
LOL.
..........................................................................................................
well, you know, don't forget the massacre in 1099.
I admire the jews. their culture has greatly benefitted humanity
through science and philosophy and the arts.
many of the greatest scientists, especially in modernity, have been
jews.
but it has nothing to do with god protecting them. that's a fantasy.
the yanomami have been around a lot longer than that, and no one would
confuse their gods with the jewish god.
Cytyzens Agaynst Lyme Cryme
> "Cytyzens Agaynst Lyme Cryme" <CA...@yeehaw.com> wrote
>
> > No matter how badly natural Jews, cultural Jews and
> > believing, observant Jews are maligned by the Gross Perversion
> > that is Secular Zionism, along with its Goyim Cohorts...
> > God will never allow Israel to be destroyed.
> > Period.
>
>
> Do you have any real evidence to back up your claim of a "God"
No.
I believe in God. That's where faith enters into the picture.
> and that he won't allow Israel to be destroyed?
Interesting that you would refer to "God" as a "he".
Why not a "she"?
Satan, God's Main Adversary, is always referred to as a "he", too.
Why not refer to Satan as a "she".
(I can see Satan as a wily SheDevil...)
> Surely the Israeli's do not believe in this,
You're right. Not all do, to be sure.
> otherwise, why would they have made so many nuclear bombs?
Notice my use of the word "secular" above.
CALC
>
>
>
>
>
McTrolls
true?
Cytyzens Agaynst Lyme Cryme
> "Cytyzens Agaynst Lyme Cryme" <CA...@yeehaw.com> wrote in message
> news:11mv304...@corp.supernews.com...
>
>
> > One vanload of "telephone workers" could have "wired" the WTC
> > buildings in one weekend.
>
> Well, something like that happened, yes. The top part of the WTC was
> disconnected off electricity for a week or so (no elevators, alarms and
> camera's).
>
> > of September 11, 2001, the Mossad could have strategically placed
> > not that many micro nukes (made in Dimona) which would could be
> > detonated by remote control. (no hassle of hard-wiring)...
>
> Micro-nukes are not practical for that, you would have needed a lot of
them
> and they are very costly and their yield is a bit too high to be
practical.
> The smallest micro-nuke still is a powerful a a big truck bomb.
Did you ever make the trip to NYC before 9/11 and see and go into
and up the WTC1&2? I did. They were gigantic. I don't know what yield
the latest generation of micro nukes would generate, but I still think
that their portability & ease of application would make them a
"good" choice for the "terrorists" to use to make nice clean cuts
of 30-foot sections of girders what could be and were quickly loaded
onto waiting trucks the next day and hauled to parts unknown
to be melted down and (the evidence) destroyed forever.
As to the cost of micro nukes. WHAT would that matter to TPTB?
> To give an
> example of the devastation of the smallest nuke, the Bali bombing was most
> likely a micro-nuke. It pulverized concrete 300 yards away.
And there was a HELL of a lot of pulverized concrete on 9/11-
and it would take a Stark Raving Mad Lunatic Idjit like Dirtyman
and EvilChuck to think that a kerosene fire "collapse" of a steel framed
concrete-encased building would pulverize concrete
down to 100 micron particle size.
(now a nice little nuke would be just the ticket...)
Hawwwwwww! THAT would be the Wildest Lunatic Conspiracy Theory
anyone EVER dreamed up.
CALC
>
>
Frank de Groot
> Did you ever make the trip to NYC before 9/11 and see and go into
> and up the WTC1&2? I did. They were gigantic. I don't know what yield
> the latest generation of micro nukes would generate,
Such a device would cause an enormous explosion.
Tens of thousands of times bigger than the "sticks of dynamite" used in the
WTC.
> that their portability & ease of application would make them a
> "good" choice for the "terrorists" to use to make nice clean cuts
> of 30-foot sections of girders what could be and were quickly loaded
> onto waiting trucks the next day and hauled to parts unknown
> to be melted down and (the evidence) destroyed forever.
Officially, micro-nukes are hardly portable.
The lightest are barely liftable by a strong man, but there are smaller
ones, albeit not officially.
Officially, micro-nukes don't even exist.
> As to the cost of micro nukes. WHAT would that matter to TPTB?
You could hardly get your hands on a few thousand (as used in the WTC).
Because there are no few thousand.
> And there was a HELL of a lot of pulverized concrete on 9/11-
> and it would take a Stark Raving Mad Lunatic Idjit like Dirtyman
> and EvilChuck to think that a kerosene fire "collapse" of a steel framed
> concrete-encased building would pulverize concrete
> down to 100 micron particle size.
> (now a nice little nuke would be just the ticket...)
No but its own weight plus the kinetic energy would.
Micronukes would be a crazy solution to collapsing the WTC.
It would be immediately obvious, as a nuclear explosion has special
characteristics that are immediately obvious.
oklahomaisfo...@yahoo.com
Well CONGRATULATION YOU WHORE, you are exactly that, a STUPID EVIL
SHIT, an antisemitic, racist, homophobic steaming pile of excrement.
Now GFY
And then EAT SHIT AND DIE
Cytyzens Agaynst Lyme Cryme
Hey don't get me wrong on any of this, Frank.
I am NOT dogmatic on the use of micro nukes.
But like you said, "officially" none of that stuff even exists.
And it seems that more and more miniaturization is occurring
in so many fields of science and certainly in computer technologies...
so, I don't know what those Dastardly Zionists with their Black Research
at Dimona (and other unknown/underground facilities) have produced
in the way of WMD.
What's the old motto of science?
"Nothing is Impossible"
CALC
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amongst thieves and liars like lisa and kathleen!!!
oklahomaisfo...@yahoo.com
even thinks you're a vile anti semitic nazi piece of shit!!!
kathleen wrote:
> It happens to be true, that the Israeli intelligence is
> responsible for 9/11 and other crimes- that is, stacking
> the WTC with explosives.
>
> I am not antisemitic.
>
> I am anti-Iraeli spy and spin. I am anti- Zuckerman and
> his empire, and I am anti-global financial criminals like
> the Bush family.
>
> I am anti-Trust. My relatives invented the concept,
> remember. Standard Oil.
>
> Kathleen
> ===================================
CaliforniaLyme
Martijn
> Kathleen, is that you or an imposter>? That is really hate stuff.
It's Kathleen.
Mockingbird
CaliforniaLyme wrote:
> Kathleen, is that you or an imposter>? That is really hate stuff.
Of course it is kathLOON.
She's been posting this CRAP for months now.
Just another ridiculous baseless conspiracy theory she's bought into.
Have you seen the stuff where she says the CIA brought down the WTC?
I'll bring it back up for you.
CaliforniaLyme
Mockingbird
CaliforniaLyme wrote:
> I haven't beeen reading any O/T threads...
Well that's very CONVENIENT.
So you can pop in here and speak dissaprovingly of others but when it
comes to kathLOON, you feign ignorance?
Did you read the stuff I just posted?
Do you have the integrity to condemn that crap?
Mockingbird
CaliforniaLyme wrote:
> I haven't beeen reading any O/T threads...
Here it is for you Callyme. Do you have any coments? Or are you going
to IGNORE kathLOON's holocaust denying anti semitic vile white power
nazi skinhead conspiracy crap and then come back and condemn others?
And go encourage and enable her some more. Saw you do it quite recently
on another group.
Here's a quote--it was in response to kathLOON's VERSION of her most
recent parole violation hearing:
"From: californialyme@...
Date: Wed Oct 5, 2005 11:32 am
Subject: Re: [SpinLyme] This is nothing like what happened
californialyme@...
Send Email
More harm than good for you to contact them, K. Good try though- I'm
sorry
it came out this way. They have effectively nullified your ability re
press
IMO.
We need someone else with all your data- "
Nice job callyme!
Might as well validate her conspiracy theories for her. Real helpful.
So here it is, PROOF THAT KATHLOON IS AN ANTISEMITIC MOSSAD OBSESSED
NAZI! AND THAT SHE POSTED AS "CHUCKPMCSWEEGAN @ YAHOO.COM )
Do a search for "mossad" Callyme.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.diseases.lyme/search?group=sci.med.diseases.lyme&q=mossad&qt_g=1&searchnow=Search+this+group
And find a post by "chuckpmcsweegan @ yahoo.com and search for "all
posts by this author" and you'll see THAT was kathLOOn and likely so is
CALC
This is the kind of crap that YOU ARE AN ENABLER OF!!!
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2001 It is discovered that US drug agents' communications have been
penetrated. Suspicion falls on two companies, AMDOCS and Comverse
Infosys, both owned by Israelis. AMDOCS generates billing data for most
US phone companies and is able to provide detailed logs of who is
talking to whom. Comverse Infosys builds the tapping equipment used by
law enforcement to eavesdrop on all American telephone calls, but
suspicion forms that Comverse, which gets half of its research and
development budget from the Israeli government, has built a back door
into the system that is being exploited by Israeli intelligence and
that the information gleaned on US drug interdiction efforts is finding
its way to drug smugglers. The investigation by the FBI leads to the
exposure of the largest foreign spy ring ever uncovered inside the
United States, operated by Israel. Half of the suspected spies have
been arrested when 9-11 happens. On 9-11, 5 Israelis are arrested for
dancing and cheering while the World Trade Towers collapse. Supposedly
employed by Urban Moving Systems, the Israelis are caught with multiple
passports and a lot of cash. Two of them are later revealed to be
Mossad. As witness reports track the activity of the Israelis, it
emerges that they were seen at Liberty Park at the time of the first
impact, suggesting a foreknowledge of what was to come. The Israelis
are interrogated, and then eventually sent back to Israel. The owner of
the moving company used as a cover by the Mossad agents abandons his
business and flees to Israel. The United States Government then
classifies all of the evidence related to the Israeli agents and their
connections to 9-11. All of this is reported to the public via a four
part story on Fox News by Carl Cameron. Pressure from Jewish groups,
primarily AIPAC, forces Fox News to remove the story from their
website. Two hours prior to the 9-11 attacks, Odigo, an Israeli company
with offices just a few blocks from the World Trade Towers, receives an
advance warning via the internet. The manager of the New York Office
provides the FBI with the IP address of the sender of the message, but
the FBI does not follow up.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/motherofallscandals.html
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Saddam WhozBush
Osama bin Mossad
Saddam WhozBlair
Osama bin Kissinger...
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Agree.
The towers fell into their own footprint exactly
like all the professional demolitions I have seen.
Oddly timed.
Unnatural looking.
The smaller buildings had no reason to go down.
They were definitely blown up, but the explosives
would have been long previously set in place.
Since Al Quaeda claimed to have done the work,
and since Bin Laden remarked that he did not
expect the towers to collapse, tells me the
US government knew about it, *allowed it to happen,*
and co-orchestrated the result.
Very much like Pearl Harbor. The aircraft carriers
were out to sea and not in the harbor during the
Japanese attack.
Knowing absolutely nothing else but what I have
seen with my own eyes, and watching the Bin Laden
tape, it appears Bush Inc., knew this attack
was coming and they optimized it.
Kathleen
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Frank de Groot wrote:
> >> No jet fuel, no debris to speak of, no black boxes, no human remains. Not
> >> even the rescue dogs fount the tiniest piece.
> > Weird.
> Not weird at all. They had plans (which are now public) to fake attacks, so
> that they would have an excuse to start a war and a global military
> dictatorship. PNAC has published that they needed a "New Pearl Harbor" to
> get this accomplished. "New Pearl Harbor" was exactly what the US media
> called, naming 6,000 dead "Just a bit more than Pearl Harbor", until they
> were forced to admit they had been lying, "We called all the dead twice",
> and had to say the truth, namely 3,000.
You are right.
Building 7 of the World Trade Center was clearly
already stacked and loaded with explosives ready
for a planned implosion.
Everyone ignores that.
The Bush administration optimized the intelligence.
They knew the attack was coming, so they made the best of
it.
The USA collapsed the WTC towers. The buildings
should not have collapsed.
Especially 7.
Kathleen
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http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635160132,00.html
Deseret Morning News, Thursday, November 10, 2005
Y. professor thinks bombs, not planes, toppled WTC
By Elaine Jarvik
Deseret Morning News
The physics of 9/11 - including how fast and symmetrically one of the
World Trade Center buildings fell - prove that official explanations
of the collapses are wrong, says a Brigham Young University physics
professor.
In fact, it's likely that there were "pre-positioned explosives" in all
three buildings at ground zero, says Steven E. Jones.
In a paper posted online Tuesday and accepted for peer-reviewed
publication next year, Jones adds his voice to those of previous
skeptics, including the authors of the Web site www.wtc7.net, whose
research Jones quotes. Jones' article can be found at
www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html.
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"It is quite plausible that explosives were pre-planted in all three
(WTC) buildings," BYU physics professor Steven E. Jones says.
Stuart Johnson, Deseret Morning News
Jones, who conducts research in fusion and solar energy at BYU, is
calling for an independent, international scientific investigation
"guided not by politicized notions and constraints but rather by
observations and calculations.
"It is quite plausible that explosives were pre-planted in all three
buildings and set off after the two plane crashes - which were
actually a diversion tactic," he writes. "Muslims are (probably) not to
blame for bringing down the WTC buildings after all," Jones writes.
As for speculation about who might have planted the explosives, Jones
said, "I don't usually go there. There's no point in doing that until
we do the scientific investigation."
Previous investigations, including those of FEMA, the 9/11 Commission
and NIST (the National Institutes of Standards and Technology), ignore
the physics and chemistry of what happened on Sept. 11, 2001, to the
Twin Towers and the 47-story building known as WTC 7, he says. The
official explanation - that fires caused structural damage that
caused the buildings to collapse - can't be backed up by either
testing or history, he says.
Jones acknowledges that there have been "junk science" conspiracy
theories about what happened on 9/11, but "the explosive demolition
hypothesis better satisfies tests of repeatability and parsimony and
therefore is not 'junk science.' "
In a 9,000-word article that Jones says will be published in the book
"The Hidden History of 9/11," by Elsevier, Jones offers these
arguments:
· The three buildings collapsed nearly symmetrically, falling down
into their footprints, a phenomenon associated with "controlled
demolition" - and even then it's very difficult, he says. "Why would
terrorists undertake straight-down collapses of WTC-7 and the Towers
when 'toppling over' falls would require much less work and would do
much more damage in downtown Manhattan?" Jones asks. "And where would
they obtain the necessary skills and access to the buildings for a
symmetrical implosion anyway? The 'symmetry data' emphasized here,
along with other data, provide strong evidence for an 'inside' job."
· No steel-frame building, before or after the WTC buildings, has
ever collapsed due to fire. But explosives can effectively sever steel
columns, he says.
· WTC 7, which was not hit by hijacked planes, collapsed in 6.6
seconds, just .6 of a second longer than it would take an object
dropped from the roof to hit the ground. "Where is the delay that must
be expected due to conservation of momentum, one of the foundational
laws of physics?" he asks. "That is, as upper-falling floors strike
lower floors - and intact steel support columns - the fall must be
significantly impeded by the impacted mass. . . . How do the upper
floors fall so quickly, then, and still conserve momentum in the
collapsing buildings?" The paradox, he says, "is easily resolved by the
explosive demolition hypothesis, whereby explosives quickly removed
lower-floor material, including steel support columns, and allow near
free-fall-speed collapses." These observations were not analyzed by
FEMA, NIST nor the 9/11 Commission, he says.
· With non-explosive-caused collapse there would typically be a
piling up of shattering concrete. But most of the material in the
towers was converted to flour-like powder while the buildings were
falling, he says. "How can we understand this strange behavior, without
explosives? Remarkable, amazing - and demanding scrutiny since the
U.S. government-funded reports failed to analyze this phenomenon."
· Horizontal puffs of smoke, known as squibs, were observed
proceeding up the side the building, a phenomenon common when
pre-positioned explosives are used to demolish buildings, he says.
· Steel supports were "partly evaporated," but it would require
temperatures near 5,000 degrees Fahrenheit to evaporate steel - and
neither office materials nor diesel fuel can generate temperatures that
hot. Fires caused by jet fuel from the hijacked planes lasted at most a
few minutes, and office material fires would burn out within about 20
minutes in any given location, he says.
· Molten metal found in the debris of the World Trade Center may have
been the result of a high-temperature reaction of a commonly used
explosive such as thermite, he says. Buildings not felled by explosives
"have insufficient directed energy to result in melting of large
quantities of metal," Jones says.
· Multiple loud explosions in rapid sequence were reported by
numerous observers in and near the towers, and these explosions
occurred far below the region where the planes struck, he says.
Jones says he became interested in the physics of the WTC collapse
after attending a talk last spring given by a woman who had had a
near-death experience. The woman mentioned in passing that "if you
think the World Trade Center buildings came down just due to fire, you
have a lot of surprises ahead of you," Jones remembers, at which point
"everyone around me started applauding."
Following several months of study, he presented his findings at a talk
at BYU in September.
Jones says he would like the government to release 6,899 photographs
and 6,977 segments of video footage for "independent scrutiny." He
would also like to analyze a small sample of the molten metal found at
Ground Zero.
E-mail: jar...@desnews.com
© 2005 Deseret News Publishing Company
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WTC collapses due to controlled demolition
Steven E. Jones
Professor of Physics/BYU
Dear colleagues:
I hope you have taken the minute required to actually look at the fall
of WTC 7:
http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
http://tinyurl.com/7drxn
I believe WTC collapses to be due to controlled demolition are:
1. My own analysis of the "pancaking" floors model (the FEMA/NIST
model) combined with Conservation of Momentum considerations gives a
much longer time for the fall (over 10 seconds) than that which was
actually observed for WTC-7 (about 6.3 seconds, just over the free-fall
time of 6.0 seconds). I find no evidence in their reports that
government researchers (FEMA, NIST, 9-11 Commission) included
Conservation of Momentum in their analyses.
2. The fact that WTC-7 fell down symmetrically, onto its own footprint
very neatly, even though fires were just observed on one side of the
building. A symmetrical collapse, as observed, requires the
simultaneous "pulling" of support beams. By my count, there were 24
core columns and 57 perimeter columns in WTC-7. Heat transport
considerations for steel beams heated by fire suggest that failure of
even a few columns at the same time is very small. Adding in the Second
Law of Thermodynamics ("law of increasing entropy") leads to the
conclusion that the likelihood of near-symmetrical collapse of the
building due to fires (the "government" theory) -- requiring as it does
near-simultaneous failure of many support columns -- is infinitesimal.
Yet near-symmetrical collapse of WTC-7 was observed. (If you still
haven't gone to the links above to see the actual collapse for
yourself, please go there now.)
Note that the 9-11 Commission report does not even deal with the
collapse of WTC-7. This is a striking omission of highly relevant data.
3.Squibs (horizontal puffs of smoke and debris) are observed emerging
from WTC-7, in regular sequence, just as the building starts to
collapse. (SEE: http://tinyurl.com/7drxn ) Yet the floors have not
moved relative to one another yet, as one can verify from the videos,
so air-expulsion due to collapsing floors is excluded. I have
personally examined many building demolitions based on on-line videos,
and the presence of such squibs firing in rapid sequence as observed is
prima facie evidence for the use of pre-positioned explosives inside
the building.
4. The pulverization of concrete to powder and the horizontal ejection
of steel beams for hundreds of
yards, observed clearly in the collapses of the WTC towers, requires
much more energy than is available from gravitational potential energy
alone. Explosives will give the observed features. Other scientists
have provided quantitative analysis of the observed pulverizations, and
I can provide references if you wish. Here we are appealing to the
violation of Conservation of Energy inherent in the "official"
pancaking-floors theory-- a horrendous violation, forbidden by
principles of Physics. (What is going on for the FEMA/NIST researchers
to make such striking errors/omissions?)
5. I conducted simple experiments on the "pancaking" theory, by
dropping cement blocks from approximately 12 feet onto other cement
blocks. (The floors in the WTC buildings were about 12 feet apart.) We
are supposed to believe, from the pancaking theory, that a concrete
floor dropping 12 feet onto another concrete floor will result in
PULVERIZED concrete observed during the Towers' collapses! Nonsense! My
own experiments, and I welcome you to try this yourself, is that only
chips/large chunks of cement flaked off the blocks -- no mass
pulverization to approx. 100-micron powder as observed. Explosives,
however, can indeed convert concrete to dust --mostly, along
with some large chunks-- as observed in the destruction of the Twin
Towers on 9-11-01.
6. The observations of molten metal (I did not say molten steel!) in
the basements of all three
buildings, WTC 1, 2 and 7 is consistent with the use of the extremely
high-temperature thermite reaction: iron oxide + aluminum powder -->
Al2O3 + molten iron.
Falling buildings are not observed to generate melting of large
quantities of molten metal -- this requires a concentrated heat source
such as explosives. Even the government reports admit that the fires
were insufficient to melt steel beams (they argue for heating and
warping then failure of these beams) -- but these reports do not
mention the observed molten metal in the basements of WTC1, 2 and 7.
Again we have a glaring omission of critical data in the FEMA, NIST and
9-11 Commission reports.
7. I understand that models of the steel-frame WTC buildings at
Underwriters Laboratories subjected to intense fires did NOT collapse.
And no steel-frame buildings before or after 9/11/2001 have collapsed
due to fire. Thus, the "official" fire-pancaking model fails the
scientific test of REPRODUCIBILITY. (Earthquake- caused collapses have
occured, but there were no major earthquakes in NYC on that day. And
buildings which have collapsed due to earthquakes
collapse asymmetrically, as expected -- not like the nearly
straight-down collapse of WTC 7 to a small
rubble pile!)
8. Explosions -- multiple loud explosions in rapid sequence -- were
heard and reported by numerous
observers in (and near) the WTC buildings, consistent with explosive
demolition. Some of the firemen who reported explosions barely escaped
with their lives.
Essentially none of these science-based considerations is mentioned in
the Popular Mechanics article on this subject, authored by B. Chertoff
(a cousin of M. Chertoff who heads the Homeland Security Dept.) (Squibs
are mentioned briefly, but the brief PM analysis does not fit the
observed facts.)
I have performed other analyses regarding the WTC collapses on 9-11-01
which may be of interest --let me know if you're interested. The matter
is highly interesting to me as a physicist -- and as a citizen
of the United States. I conclude that the evidence for pre-positioned
explosives in WTC 7 (also in towers 1 and 2) is truly compelling.
Steven E. Jones
Professor of Physics/BYU
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Well, what will happen, if the Bush regime does not come clean
on who planted the explosives in the WTC (Mossad), is that
Jewish people will suffer another round of persecution.
Ariel Sharon is scared shitless.
The guilty have to be punished, so that the whole of the Jewish
Nation (and us) are not held accountable.
NO MORE HOLOCAUSTS, If this is not properly handled, in a
court of law, it will be disastrous to us all.
The hatred and racism has to stop with each one of us.
We did the McCarthyism thing. First it was the commies.
Now it is the war dissenters.
Next it will be the Jews again.
Why can't we see the cycle of hatred and intolerance has to stop.
And Chuck the Newsgroup leader has no say in the matter.
He is largely responsible for the persecution of Lyme victims.
Quackwatch. Forschner-stalking....
"Want to send them a bogus article?"
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Was performed by the Mossad and blamed on the Syrians.
Since they're in the way of the Iraqi pipeline to Israel
(and just plain in the way because they are Arabs).
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The indicted:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Greenberg
American International Group (an ALDF sponsor)
Marsh and McLennon
:)))
Bad boys, bad boys, watchya gonna do? Whatchya gonna do when they come
for you...
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Following his World Bank presidential nomination Wolfowitz was
reported[11] to be in a relationship with World Bank senior gender
coordinator Shaha Riza an Arab feminist who according to The Times
"shares Wolfowitz's passion for spreading democracy in the Arab
world" and "is said to have reinforced his determination to remove
Saddam Hussein's oppressive regime." [12]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Wolfowitz
PsyOps
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"In a sworn testimony at the Lockerbie trials and recounted in his book
"The Other Side of Deception" , Colonel Victor Ostrovsky, a former
Mossad operative, asserted that the "intercepts" that led to the US
bombing of Libya had in fact been broadcast covertly by the Mossad from
Tripoli."
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The Security Council's new line of work: Is Mehlis the right man?
Friday 04 November 2005
With the adoption of Security Council resolution 1636, the fate of
Syria is now firmly in the hands of one man: Detlev Mehlis, the Head of
the UN Commission investigating the assassination of former Lebanese
Prime Minister, Rafiq Hariri. The new resolution gives the German judge
sweeping powers and requests the Commission to report back to the
Council on the progress of the inquiry by 15 December 2005, including
on the degree of cooperation from the Syrian authorities, or anytime
before that date "if the Commission deems that such cooperation does
not meet the requirements of [the] resolution, so that the council, if
necessary, could consider further action."
While bringing to justice the authors of Hariri's assassination is of
the utmost importance, one cannot but worry that the Council is now
fully engaged in a de facto criminal investigation --without the due
process afforded to suspects and defendants alike by the judicial
system of well-thinking democracies. With the adoption of resolution
1636 under Chapter 7 of the UN Charter, the stakes are dangerously
high, particularly in light of President Bush's statement that all
options remain on the table. In this regard, the last minute
"concession" -dropping a specific reference to Article 41 of the
Charter which relates to "measures not involving the use of force"
to give effect to Council decisions-- exacted by the Russian Minister
of Foreign Affairs, Sergey Lavrov, resembles more a gift to the White
House than a real concession: it leaves the Council the option of
invoking in its next resolution not only Article 41 -but also article
42 governing the use of military force. How the representative of the
only Arab country on the Council, the eminent international jurist and
Minister of Foreign Affairs, Mohamed Bedjaoui, could cast a positive
vote remains equally puzzling.
With the adoption of 1636, the Mehlis investigatory process resembles
more and more the saga of UNSCOM/UNMOVIC tasked to unearth weapons of
mass destruction that did not exist in Iraq. Mehlis today like Blix
yesterday had both the mighty responsibility of provoking or averting a
head-on confrontation with their interlocutors in Damascus and Baghdad,
respectively, and potentially provoking war. The comparison, however,
stops here. For it is evident that the judge in the case of Syria's
alleged involvement in the assassination plot of Hariri -the Security
Council- has already directed the Jury -the Mehlis Commission- on
what the outcome of the verdict should be. The comparison also stops
here because Detlev Mehlis is no Hans Blix, the man who managed to
redress the impartiality and professionalism of UNMOVIC after the
dismal record of his predecessor, the Australian Richard Butler.
When so much power is entrusted to one individual, it is worth
considering their record. As Director-General of the International
Atomic Energy Agency for 15 years, Blix had well-established
credentials. And so has Mehlis. When Secretary General Annan appointed
the German judge, the cursory UN press release indicated that the
55-year old Mehlis had "25 years of prosecutorial experience and has
led numerous investigations into serious, complex transnational
crimes".
One such crime was the 6 April 1986 bombing of the 'La Belle'
discotheque in then West Berlin that killed two US military servicemen
and a Turkish woman. Nine days later, at 2 a.m., the US launched
bombing raids on Libya that killed among others the daughter of the
Libyan leader and injured two of his sons. "Operation El Dorado
Canyon" was launched, it was claimed, based on telecommunication
intercepts between Libyan intelligence officials. On 25 August 1998,
however, Germany's public television network ZDF, reported that
several prime suspects of the La Belle bombing -Arabs working for
Western and Israeli intelligence-- were being protected from
prosecution by Western Intelligence. And Mehlis knew this. In a sworn
testimony at the Lockerbie trials and recounted in his book "The
Other Side of Deception" , Colonel Victor Ostrovsky, a former Mossad
operative, asserted that the "intercepts" that led to the US
bombing of Libya had in fact been broadcast covertly by the Mossad from
Tripoli.
Before he submits his second report to the Security Council, it might
be worthwhile for the UN to look into Mehlis' credentials -or to
reconsider them. Annan should also realize that when it comes to the
Middle East, conspiracy theories are not the mere product of fertile
imaginations, but the consequence of intricate plots of potent
intelligence services. After all, wasn't Mossad agent Eli Cohen in
the 1960's a "close friend" of Syrian President Amin al-Hafez who
was about to appoint him Minister of Defense?
Before starting a new line of business, the United Nations whose
reputation has lately been seriously dented should realise that the
investigation into an assassination by a political organ is neither a
good idea, nor does it set a good example.
http://aawsat.com/english/news.asp?section=2&id=2510
(The next one is kathLOON posting as "chuckpmcsweegan @ Yahoo.com look
at the formatting) (it is also VERY likely that she IS CALC!!!)
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Responses to the survey.
What we heard, and in combination with what Ed McSweegan
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/06/26/eveningnews/main560528.shtml
posted to the Lyme newsgroup recently, has led us to the answers
we were looking for as regards Plum Island and Gulf War
Illness, in addition to Lyme. [GWI is from a combination of toxins;
from exploding weapons underground (which I saw myself on
CNN), and antidotes to nerve agents administered prophylactically,
as well as mycoplasma exposure.]
Mortimer Zuckerman was at the ALDF GALA in NYC at the Pierre
Hotel. He got back into his limo when he sawa out protest and
drove away. Zuckerman was in line for an ambassadorship to Israel.
Would anyone like to know why we did not finish off Saddam in 1991?
Because of the bioweapons we sold Iraq from Plum Island.
Mycoplasmas, at least.
UNSCOM was looking for "tick nursery equipment" in Iraq in
the 1990s. This we read online, posted to one of the e-groups
which was on the web on a formal (and not any kind of a "conspiracy")
web page.
How would Yale, the ALDF, and Zuckerman, et al know about
these things, and what benefit would Israel gain in knowing what
bioweapons Iraq has?
Israel feels they are *entitled* to know.
No doubt Israel has them, too.
OspA is a lipoprotein of mycoplasmal origin. Numerous
animal diseases, including lameness (Lyme), pneumonia, and the
inability to produce milk, are caused by mycoplasmas and are "studied"
on Plum Island.
So, the focus is on Yale and the ALDF. They obviously know all about
what we sold/gave to whom, since Yale is also involved in Plum Island
"research."
Lyme was a Plum Island accidental release and LymeRIX
was either placebo vaccine, or an attempt to create antibodies
to mycoplasmal lipoproteins as well...
The reason the "bad guys" don't want us to have antibiotics is because
they think/suppose antibiotics will kill off other infections, which
allows
the mycoplasmal infections to expand.
But mycoplasmal infections suppress the immune system.
Just like LymeRIX does.
LymeRIX failed in the same way other mycoplasmal lipoproteins 1) failed
as
vaccines and 2) produced delayed-typed hypersensitivity responses.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&...
Mycoplasmas also infect the brain causing a spongiform encephalopathy.
Ed McSweegan said "Don't mess with Yale and the federal government."
That was our biggest clue, as usual.
If anyone wants to confirm any of this, 1) it is factual that they
study mycoplasma
on Plum Island because one of the Lyme activists confronted the former
Plum
Island Director on this. At first the Director denied it, but then
when shown the
evidence, she admitted that they did. Now it is too obvious for words.
2) Study Tully JG.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Search&te...
mycoplasmal and spiroplasmal infections are also carried in ticks.
Remember Klempner talking about leprosy (a mycoplasmal infection) ?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&...
"Molecular mechanisms of MHC linked susceptibility in leprosy: towards
the development of synthetic vaccines."
"....76% of the individuals were able to eliminate the bacilli
(p=0.03). DRB1*1501 DQA1*0102-DQB1*0602 (DQ1 subtype) was significantly
increased in the patients, indicating its participation in
susceptibility."
There are (found in leprosy) the same HLA types of immune incompetence
found in
people who have chronic neurologic Lyme- which presents as Multiple
Sclerosis, and the reason for this immune incompetence is what I told
everyone 2 years ago: conformational differences of the antigen
presenting
molecule and antigen- binding dynamics.
DRB1*1501 and DQB1*0602
Klempner found the latter in significant portion of the "seronegative"
Lyme patients.
NINDS Roland Martin found the former in the MS-presenting borreliosis
patients.
Then we recruited Martin from Germany. Just like we recruited Willy
Burgdorfer from
Switzerland. We recruited the best scientists in their fields.
Remember Phil Baker banned us from the September 2001 NIH conference on
Lyme?
Here is that report, 3 years later, but I don't know if they revealed
that haplotype
finding yet:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&...
We're as sick as we *say* we are. *We're* just not allowed to know
about it, whereas Zuckerman is ??? And all of his biotech- investing
buddies associated with Yale and the ALDF ??? We're not allowed to
know
WHY we shouldn't have antibtiotics?
Because the real reason is that we have mycoplasmal infections from
ticks
which we are not supposed to know about, because if the origin is
traced
we could find markers of Plum Island handiwork? And is Zuckerman
and Kaiser, etc, entitled to this Yale/Plum Island insider information
and
not us?
Either a person has a hypersensitivity response to lipoproteins, or an
inadequate
immune response, accounting for the 2 types of Lyme Steere discussed in
1991:
Lyme arthritis (seropositive Lyme - due to the hyper-immune response),
or Multiple Sclerosis (seronegative Lyme - due to inadequate immune
response).
Thanks again for participating, but most of all, Thank Ed McSweegan
for harassing us, since that was incredibly stupid of him. OF COURSE
we're going to try to find out why we've been dealt this obvious
bullshit
on Lyme.
If they were smart, they would have let us be treated for Lyme.
Instead, we learned about Plum Island and the *real* reason we did
not invade Iraq all the way to Bagdad in 1991, ... until the UN cleaned
up
our mess.
And now we know Zuckerman knows too much. He would have
learned it from Yale and the ALDF.
Is Zuckerman with the Mossad? Is Kristol? Is Wolfowitz?
Some say the Mossad killed President Jack Kennedy, because
Kennedy did not want Israel to become a nuclear power.
How about we make the Arab terrorists a peace offering and give
them Zuckerman and Wolfowitz? And how about we also throw in Ed
McSweegan as a bonus??
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&...
"Tick-borne diseases of sheep and goats and their related vectors in
Iran."
Hashemi-Fesharki R.
Department of Protozoology, Razi State Vaccine and Serum Research
Institute, Tehran, Iran.
and, 1983, Yale:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&...
Yale J Biol Med. 1983 Sep-Dec;56(5-6):799-813. Related Articles, Links
"The Emmy Klieneberger-Nobel Award lecture. Reflections on recovery
of some fastidious mollicutes with implications of the changing host
patterns of these organisms."
Don't forget, rarely is any research published by Plum Island.
Your's,
AN AMERICAN PATRIOT.
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Kathleen,
exactly, or approximately, WHAT do you think the
Mad Scientists at Plum DID to that ancient organism?
HOW did they tweak it?
Give it more bite?
More neurotoxin-producing capability?
More potent neurotoxin?
Make it antibiotic-resistant?
Make it antibiotic-proof?
Boost its reproductive ability?
etc.
WHAT?!
Inquiring Spirochete-Saturated Minds Want To Know.
Chuck (The Good Chuck, not the EVIL Chuck)
"Cytyzens Unyted Agaynst Lyme Cryme"
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Subject: Lyme scam survey
This is a serious survey, even though it doesn't sound like it.
Please respond.
Thanks,
Kathleen
========================
Do you think borreliosis was a "delberate release?"
Do you think Lyme was a Plum Island accident?
What do you think is the reason the CDC is protecting
and promoting this Lyme disease fraud, and have promoted
Mark Klempner and Alan Barbour, by giving them bioweapons
labs to manage?
Why hasn't McSweegan been arrested for revealing
government secrets regarding what are bioweapons
and nerve agents?
Do you think it is treason for Yale and the Lyme
criminals to be giving away government secrets
as regards borreliosis to foreign nations like
the British firm SmithKline, and discussing data
with German scientists, like Steere did when he
set up the EUCALB to be the European counterpart
of the false "front" non-profit the ALDF.com?
Do you think it is treason for US companies to
be spinning diseases for profit? Like Kaiser, the
Yale Corporation, (and New York Medical College)
and CastleConnolly.com?
Especially if the profit ends up in shell companies
in the US east coast islands like Bermuda and
the Virgin Islands or invested in, oh, say
Equatorial Guinea who have just discovered
wealth in natural resources?
Do you think it made sense to invest in the
development of a vaccine for Lyme, when they
knew all along there could be no vaccine for
a relapsing borreliosis-- which is also the
reason why there is not real test for borreliosis
other than antibodies for genus specific flagellin?
If Edward McSweegan lived in Old Lyme CT, next
door to a Blue Cross executive, what could he
have advised Blue Cross about Lyme? Which, one
would think, would be the primary topic of
neighborly conversation.
Why
...
( all messages by kathLOON posting as chuckpmcsweegan @ yahoo.com it
is OBVIOUSLY her look at the kathLOON formatting):
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Mockingbird
oklahomaisfo...@yahoo.com
I still don't get it.
oklahomaisfo...@yahoo.com
We NEED someone with all of kathLOON's "data"
Like a hole in the head!
Mockingbird
CaliforniaLyme wrote:
> I haven't beeen reading any O/T threads...
Isn't that COVENIENT?
Well here it is, what is your position on it? KathLOON needs to hear
that this CRAP is inappropriate and DISGUSTING.
How would aram feel about it?
Mockingbird
from Callyme.
Mockingbird
Mockingbird
you have a VERY busy schedule but it really should take a lot less time
than you spend lecturing dritte and I: