Radical Fringe Group Attacks LymeCryme.com Site
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Subject: Re: radical fringe group attacks lyme cryme site
Date: Mar 11, 2009 4:37 PM
Randy,
You really can't follow what she says.
'Talking about interweaving nonsense upon
nonsense upon perpetual preternatural me-ism...
I think we all know what happened in Lyme Cryme
land. We don't need a "journalist" or anyone else to
tell us what our own eyes see.
In 1991 Yale patented a scientifically valid
test for Lyme:
http://www.actionlyme.org/CRYMEDISEASE_CHP1.htm
In 1993, they applied for a patent for it.
In 1994, they, Yale's Firkig and Flavell, applied for their
LYMErix OspA patent, right around the same time as
the phony Dearborn Conference. 'Right around
the time Dave Persing and Robert Schoen
discovered that Western Blots were unreadable
in OspA-vaccinated people:
http://www.actionlyme.org/DICKSON_FDA_SUBMISSION_FULL.htm
If we put Yale's Erol Fikrig in the witness
stand, that is what he will say happened,
which will be supported by the documents.
He will say he had nothing to do with what
SmithKline did then with his OspA patent.
SmithKline will say - because they did -
http://www.actionlyme.org/Actionlyme_History.htm
http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/01/slides/3680s2.htm
http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/01/slides/3680s2_02_lobet.pdf
"It's not been ruled out whether or not persisting
Lyme symptoms are due to the presence of
spirochetes, so no one can say the adverse
events to LYMErix were due to an autoimmune
hypersensitivity to OspA."-- SmirhKline's Yves Lobet.
So, in 2001, SmithKline was not certain
Lyme wasn't a persisting infection, and we were
saying, "YES, we think those are the people
most at risk- the people with seronegative Lyme."
It turns out, we thought so because we did not
pick up on Schoen and Persing saying in 1996
that they could not read their Western Blots
in OspA vaccinated people. We later saw what
it was:
http://www.actionlyme.org/PAM3CYS_IMMUNE_SUPPRESSION.htm
Blot smudging due to the fact that you can't
properly micellize OspA, which was later,
again proven by the Korean scientists who
blew up the HIV Pam3Cys.
Read the report:
http://www.actionlyme.org/PAM3CYS_LYME_HIV.htm
"tendency to form large aggregates"
Now, I would like you to note that absolutely
none of this discovery had a thing to do with
Pam Weintraub, so her chronic blowhard-a-mo-genics
are nothing but a nuisance and obstructionism, as
you say.
If you want to be a scientist, you have to do
the work, plain and simple. If you want to
be a lying, backstabbing cheat who enjoys
torturing people and being a parasite-on-
humanity-and-human-suffering, go to law
school or become a psychiatrist.
Kathleen
-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Sykes
Sent: Mar 11, 2009 4:11 PM
To: janmu...@earthlink.net
Subject: radical fringe group attacks lyme cryme site
Kathleen see my post below on Pam. These people are sick.
Below you will see why we have not moved forward in 35
years and the groups can never work as a team. Pam Weintraub (Cure
Unknown) has tried to discredit the www.lymecryme.com web site as you
will see below by saying it is a conspiracy theory. This site is
filled with government documents while her own books name Cure
Unknown has the sound of conspiracy theory.
Please see here post below my response.
Randy Sykes
The Greater Hartford Lyme Disease Support And Action Group
860-658-9938
www.ctlymedisease.org
www.ctlymeriders.com
Pam, you are telling people that the timeline on
the lyme cryme web site is substantially wrong.
The lyme cryme site is full of government
documents that support the time line and how they changed there mind
mid stream.
Pam these are your words from your post.
The LymeCryme timeline is based on a conspiracy
theory that holds that
all these researchers had a specific view of Lyme
at one time and then
--poof!!-- it changed dramatically in a year or
two,with the
"legendary" Steere trip to Russia in the early
nineties
The change of there specific view is the reason
that the CT attorney General investigated the IDSA. Because they
changed there view from no cure to easy to cure with there new
guidelines.
Pam, I would be happy to go over the www.lymecryme.com
site with you and show you how to research the many government
documents that show the 180 degree turn that these guy's did. Unlike
you we did more than just interview people. People forget, lie or
change there mind as time goes on so we used there research papers.
The web site say's nothing about things changing
with steere's trip to Russia and you won't here a ( poof ) when you
read the many papers on the two links in there own words but the
papers are there just the same.
These are papers that were published that show
treatment failure and inaccurate testing. These same people now say
lyme is easy to cure and the testing is very accurate. No ( Poof ),
just facts. Papers from Steere and others a few years back that
showed treatment failure but now lyme is cured in 10 to 14 days. You
will see many papers just like this.
Pam, again your statement
The LymeCryme timeline is based on a conspiracy
theory.
See below what a conspiracy theory means.
Conspiracy theory
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For other uses, see Conspiracy theory
(disambiguation).
A conspiracy theory alleges a coordinated group
is, or was, secretly working to commit illegal or wrongful actions,
including attempting to hide the existence of the group and its
activities. In notable cases these theories contrast what is
represented by the mainstream explanation for historical or current
events, as well as the evidence that supports it.
Did you notice the word after conspiracy theory?
alleges. This means that they suspect something but can't prove it.
After all that's what a conspiracy theory is.
Now if you do see a conspiracy theory on this site
then you are saying that the government documents are bogus and our
government has published false papers and is corrupt.
What we are seeing is a conspiracy, A plot -
combination of persons for an evil purpose, plot, scheme.
Pam, your words
it is based on the dual idea of a plum island
escape and
the creation of a vaccine as the only=2
0drivers for events. It is all
part of a big conspiracy story running rampant
through the Lyme
community that never happened as the myth
suggests.
You will only find one Pub Med paper about plum
Island and it was on Mycoplasma. They even named it Vom Plum. Not sure
where you got the plum Island escape from but you are misleading us
again.
Pam, again your words.
The LymeCryme timeline is perverted to support the
conspiracy theory
and is based ONLY on a read of literature and then
a massive connecting
of dots. Where there is no evidence or opposite
evidence to support the
conspiracy theory, the dots in the LymeCryme myth
are still connected
to support it
Pam again with the conspiracy theory, see above
for description of conspiracy theory.
As for connecting the dots after reading the
literature, that is called journalism.
And you say no evidence to support, ask a friend
to help you read the papers.
I am trying to help people without making a buck
on it and just so you know I broke away from the www.lymecryme.com
site and all other lyme activity's last week.
Pam your words
but god help us if people bring the LymeCryme
myth to capitol hill in a hearing.
Pam God help us if we follow the same path we
have taken for 35 years. Once again Pam please read the web site
before you speak out. The web site clearly demands a congressional
investigation not a hearing. A hearing would do nothing but allow
people to sit around and talk. A hearing is not something anyone that
wants to move forward would ask for. We need an investigation and we
knew that well over a year ago but it seems many still don't
understand this.
I found it interesting that the Boston ABC news
clip you were on last fall also called the lyme cryme site a
conspiracy theory along with death threats and we saved the clip
incase people don't remember.
I DECIDED TO PULL OUT OF LYME DISEASE ACTIVITY'S
TWO WEEKS AGO BECAUSE OF REASONS LIKE THIS . Randy
Re: Steere in Russia studying Bb 1995-98?
Posted by: "PWein...@aol.com"
PWein...@aol.com pam3001
Sat Mar 7, 2009 10:54 am (PST)
A lot of people get their idea of Lyme history
by reading the timeline
on the website LymeCryme --in my six-year
investigation of the history
in Cure Unknown, I have found the so-called
"LymeCryme" history often
offered up by these particular patient
activists to be substantially
wrong. I present an alternate --and far more
accurate-- timeline in
Cure Unknown. I produced my timeline by
interviewing hundreds of
protagonists who were THERE AT THE TIME and
cross-referencing this
abundance of stories to produce a single
history. Many of the people
who confirmed my version are not even
mentioned in my book --they are
just confirmatory. (This is why it is so CRAZY
that Kathleen Dickson
accuses me of stealing my history from her --
my history is vastly
different than hers. In fact, it exists in
opposition to it, and I
must say, since mine was created with rigorous
attention to the rules
of journalism, and true gum shoe research, it
is the right one.)
The LymeCryme timeline is based on a
conspiracy theory that holds that
all these researchers had a specific view of
Lyme at one time and then
--poof!!-- it changed dramatically in a year
or two,with the
"legendary" Steere trip to Russia in the early
nineties (you can see
yourself it happened later) predating this
mythical sudden change. This
is nonsense --it is based on the dual idea of
a plum island escape and
the creation of a vaccine as the only=2
0drivers for events. It is all
part of a big conspiracy story running rampant
through the Lyme
community that never happened as the myth
suggests. Of course, part of
it are true, that is why it has managed to
pass to people who don't
research it themselves as real.
Lynn is right that the vaccine was a pivotal
game-changer for us, but
as to the spinning of the disease, it started
as early as the early
eighties, right after the discovery of the
spirochete by Burgdorfer
--much of it for reasons of scientific ego and
turf, much of it part
of the ongoing CDC mantra to disprove disease
of all sorts
where it can-- and yes, much of it probably
ultimately dirven by the
vaccine. But it did NOT happen suddenly in
1993 or 1994 with Dearborn after Steere
returns from Russia. Dearborn
was simply just another nail in the
coffin --albeit a giant nail.
The LymeCryme timeline is perverted to support
the conspiracy theory
and is based ONLY on a read of literature and
then a massive connecting
of dots. Where there is no evidence or
opposite evidence to support the
conspiracy theory, the dots in the LymeCryme
myth are still connected
to support it, willfully ignoring the actit is
based on the dual idea of a plum island escape and
the creation of a vaccine as the only=2
0drivers for events. It is all
part of a big conspiracy story running rampant
through the Lyme
community that never happened as the myth
suggests. Of course, part of
ual facts.
What happened to screw us Lyme patients is so
much more naunced and
gradual. The real story is STILL sinister and
heartbreaking, but god
help us if people bring the LymeCryme myth to
capitol hill in a hearing.
Pam Weintraub
Cure Unknown