Kathleen, thought you might like to see this...
Cytyzens Agaynst Lyme Cryme
which have neuroprotective properties-
as it relates to neuroborrelosis and the damage it does.
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Pot-Like Drug Multiplies
Neurons In Brain Growth
By Christen Brownlee
Science News Online
Vol. 168, No. 16
10-15-5
In the stoner stereotype, pot smokers and dying brain cells go hand
in hand. However, new research suggests the situation may be more uplifting
than that. A drug that functions as concentrated marijuana does may spur
neurogenesis, the process by which the brain gives birth to new nerve cells.
Previous research had suggested that neurogenesis happens only in
select locations in the brain, such as the hippocampus, a region involved in
learning and memory. Some studies have shown that this process is inhibited
by most illicit drugs, such as cocaine, heroin, and methamphetamine.
However, says Xia Zhang of the University of Saskatchewan in Saskatoon,
marijuanas effect on neurogenesis has not been clear.
He and his colleagues started investigating this mystery by
searching cell surfaces in live, cultured slices of rat hippocampus for
receptors that respond to marijuana and a few other similar drugs, called
cannabinoids. They reasoned that if marijuana affected neurogenesis in the
hippocampus, then cells in that area must have a way to recognize the drug.
Sure enough, 95 percent of hippocampus cells responsible for neurogenesis
showed evidence of cannabinoid 1 (CB1) receptors, one of two receptors that
respond to cannabinoid drugs.
Next, Zhangs team incubated samples of rat hippocampus with a
solution containing HU210, a drug that stimulates CB1 receptors with a
strength 100 times greater than that of pot. Other rat-hippocampus cells
were incubated with the same solution minus the drug or with AM281, a drug
that blocks CB1 receptors. After 2 days, the researchers found a significant
increase in the number of new brain cells in the samples incubated with
HU210, but no significant increase of such cells in the other samples.
Finally, the researchers injected adult rats with various doses of
HU210. A single high-dose injection seemed to make no significant difference
in the number of new nerve cells. However, animals injected with high daily
doses of the drug over the course of 2 weeks had about 30 percent more
newborn nerve cells than did rats given AM281 or a solution without either
drug.
Animals given the 2-week course of HU210 also showed less anxiety
and depressionlike behavior than did rats not given the drug. When the
researchers irradiated the rats hippocampi with X rays, which kill off new
neurons, animals given HU210 responded to these tests much as did animals
that didnt receive the drug. These results suggest that, while these new
neurons probably dont increase intelligence, they could be responsible for
antianxiety and antidepressive effects, says Zhang.
He and his team report their findings in the November Journal of
Clinical Investigation.
While data suggesting that cannabinoid drugs can accelerate
neurogenesis are "interesting and potentially promising," its too early to
tell whether high doses of marijuana over long periods have a similar effect
on depression and anxiety in people, says Ron Duman, a neuroscientist at
Yale University. "There is very little clinical evidence demonstrating that
cannabinoid administration produces an antidepressant response," he says.
kathleen
I hope you enjoy the link for the CDC.
I rearranged the whole thing. I hope you find it amusing.
Kathleen
Cytyzens Agaynst Lyme Cryme
"kathleen" <kathleen...@snet.net> wrote in message
news:1129484473.0...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Yes, Thank you, I already have that on my website.
>
>
> I hope you enjoy the link for the CDC.
>
>
> http://actionlyme.org
>
> I rearranged the whole thing. I hope you find it amusing.
Your site is Wunnerfull!
Chock Full O' Goodies.
I hope, like Frank suggested, that you have your site mirrored.
There are all kinds of nefarious agents out there who would
just love to see it go : : p o o f ! : :
CALC
kathleen
Cytyzens Agaynst Lyme Cryme wrote:
> "kathleen" <kathleen...@snet.net> wrote in message
> news:1129484473.0...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > Yes, Thank you, I already have that on my website.
> >
> >
> > I hope you enjoy the link for the CDC.
> >
> >
> > http://actionlyme.org
> >
> > I rearranged the whole thing. I hope you find it amusing.
>
> Your site is Wunnerfull!
>
> Chock Full O' Goodies.
>
> I hope, like Frank suggested, that you have your site mirrored.
> There are all kinds of nefarious agents out there who would
> just love to see it go : : p o o f ! : :
>
> CALC
I am not worried about it. Enough people of *the
right people* have this data in hard copy and are
looking at it, and are aware of the crime. 'Doesn't
matter if the site remains even one more day.
GAME OVER.
I am watching Condi and Tony these days.
I think we are going to have Shock and Awe again
soon. That will be cool. That will be the end
of this country. And Israel.
Due to the LACK of INTELLIGENT LIFE IN AMERICA.
Are you watching that pathetic show? It's *hilarious*
for Rice to think Russia will agree with America's
plans as regards oil.
I don't have to do another thing. Just sit back and
watch the rockets red glare. I have few concerns.
I have a place to go to escape the winter, if I want.
There is only one thing that can stop what is to come.
And that is IF the USDOJ decides to do their job.
Kathleen
Chuck P Adams
Are you going to do something that you need to escape?
mockingbird
dirty work.
china has a pathetic, outmoded nuclear arsenal. the US would crush
china in a nuclear confrontation. It's doubtful that the chinese could
even get a launch going. at the very worst, SLBM's would wipe out their
capability within 10 minutes. and that's not counting stealth attacks
and area-51 type units we don't even about. It's been reported that the
US possesses a stealthy "space plane" which can reach any point on
earth within an hour, dropping stealth munitions and leaving the target
area to suffer a totally unanticipated nuclear surprise. remember, the
US had a fully functional squadron of stealth fighters in 1982, 7 or 8
years before they went public. When we attacked libya in 1986 we
intentionally withheld these fighters in order to keep the USSR from
knowing about them. The US always has a trick up its sleeve. China is
decades behind the US when it comes to the highest levels of military
technology. They simply don't have the scientific or industrial
infrastructure in place to achieve meaningful breakthroughs...and the
chinese mind is not creative, it is mechanical. they copy, they don't
innovate. It's been centuries since the chinese mind produced any
interesting technological or scientific breakthroughs.
not that I'm all gung ho about the US military or nuclear war, but if
you think our government sucks, I can promise you that the chinese
government is a lot worse...far more repressive, and very racist too I
might add. To them, we are hairy, big-penised apes. And we all know
that's only half true.
Chuck P Adams
is major. China possesses a nuclear arsenal with about 400 warheads as
last reported. They have land-based missiles, bombers, and submarine
launched ballistic missiles. China is thought to possess about 150
"tactical" weapons, to date, China has not officially acknowledged its
possession of tactical nuclear weapons but we know they have them.
A classified CIA study reportedly stated that 13 of China's 18 DF-5A
ICBMs (Single nuclear warhead, 1-5 MT ) are targeted at the United
States while the remaining five are targeted at countries closer to
China. Some of these weapons have a 10-15 minute launch preparation
time.
I would worry more about there Bio weapons, China has an advanced
chemical warfare program that includes research and development,
production and weaponization capabilities.
Could have taken after the Unit 731 germ-warfare research center from
the 30's thats Japan had.
kathleen
That's very important information.
I'll pass it along to the CIA and Mr. Chertoff.
http://actionlyme.org/UNSHOCKED_AND_UNAWED.htm
Condi's hangin wid Ton', Rummy's gonna try
ta tell China to be more candid, Putin
is surely ROTFLHAO, Rove and Libby will be
having a garage sale, Zuckerman will make
sure his passport is up to date, Weld will
be hiring new accountants and making sure
HIS passport is up to date, and the Canadians
will be vacationing in Venezuela this winter
instead of Florida :)))
Kathleen
mockingbird
penetrating US airspace, do you? And furthermore...I believe china
possesses at most maybe one or two obsolete (by our standards) SLBM
submarines. Trust me, we know where those crappy old oriental junks are
at all times. They're shadowed by US attack subs. They'd never have a
chance. I don't even know why the chinese bother, other than to
threaten japan and taiwan.
the only concern is the land-based ICBM's. and as I said, we could take
them out at worst in 10 minutes with SLBMs...
the US could win a nuclear war with china, with very minimal or no
damage. If we struck first, using all of our capabilities, I am
confidant in zero casualties on the US mainland.
chemical weapons and such are nice, but the chinese have no effective
means of delivering these munitions to US targets outside of asia. And
even within this sphere, this ability is questionable.
there's a reason that china hasn't tried to invade or attack taiwan.
it's because, behind all of the bluster, all of the false pride over
being able to (theoretically) "incinerate los angeles" they know that
we would kick their slanty-eyed rice dick asses halfway to the moon.
and probably "incinerate" every major city in china ten times over
(albeit at great environmental cost).
even with our military overcommitted.
the same is not true wrt russia.
Chuck P Adams
a strong tendency in Washington to rate the Chinese as poor mariners.
The purchase from Russia of eight "Kilo"-class diesel submarines,
all confirm PRC progress in undersea warfare, though do not match the
US
in its fleet of stealth nuclear attack subs.
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China tests ballistic missile submarine
By Bill Gertz
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
China's military has launched the first of a new class of ballistic
missile submarines in what defense officials view as a major step
forward in Beijing's strategic weapons program.
The new 094-class submarine was launched in late July and when
fully operational in the next year or two will be the first submarine
to carry the underwater-launched version of China's new DF-31 missile,
according to defense officials.
"When fully operational, it will represent a more modern, more
capable missile platform," said one official familiar with reports of
the new submarine.
A second intelligence official said building submarines is a top
priority of the Chinese, and the Type 094 will be "China's first truly
intercontinental strategic nuclear delivery system."
The new Type 094 was spotted by U.S. intelligence agencies at the
Huludao shipyard, located on the coast of Bohai Bay, some 250 miles
northwest of Beijing.
The submarine is in the early stages of being outfitted and is not
yet equipped with new JL-2 submarine-launched nuclear missiles.
The submarine is believed to be based largely on Russian nuclear
submarine technology, the officials said.
A CIA report made public last week stated that Russia was a major
supplier of technology to China's naval nuclear propulsion programs.
The launching of the new missile submarine appears ahead of
schedule. A Pentagon report on Chinese military power made public in
May stated that the new Chinese missile submarine would not be deployed
until around 2010.
A Defense Intelligence Agency report produced in 1999 and labeled
"secret" stated that the new submarine is part of a program by China of
"modernizing and expanding its missile force."
"Mobile, solid-fuel missiles and a new ballistic missile submarine
will improve the force's ability to survive a first strike," the report
said, "while more launchers, on-board penetration aids, and possibly
multiple warheads will improve its ability to penetrate missile
defenses."
The DIA report stated that China is expected to field one new
ballistic missile submarine by 2020.
A Chinese Embassy spokesman had no immediate comment.
In a related development, U.S. intelligence officials said the
Chinese suffered a setback in their JL-2 missile program when a test
flight of the JL-2 missile failed over the summer.
The JL-2 missile program was delayed by the test failure but is
continuing to be developed, the officials said. China conducted tests
of the JL-2 in 2002 and last year.
Richard Fisher, vice president of the Washington-based
International Assessment and Strategy Center, said the launch of the
new missile submarine is "an astounding development."
"The 094 has followed 093 development far more rapidly than the
assessments in the annual Pentagon reports on the PLA," Mr. Fisher
said, referring to the China's People's Liberation Army.
China also recently launched a new attack submarine known as the
Type 093. Additionally, U.S. intelligence agencies were surprised by
China's disclosure in July of a third new type of submarine known as
the Yuan-class, a diesel-electric attack submarine.
"In the very near future, China will have a secure, second-strike
nuclear attack capability that it will use to bolster its nuclear
strategy of seeking to deter the United States from aiding Taiwan after
a PLA attack," Mr. Fisher said.
Mr. Fisher said the JL-2 likely will have multiple warheads.
The new submarine will make it more difficult for the U.S. military
to take part in a defense of Taiwan because of the threat of nuclear
retaliation, he said.
The Pentagon has deployed a new missile defense system, but a
spokesman for the Missile Defense Agency has said the current
interceptor system is designed to stop a long-range North Korean
missile, but not an attack from Chinese or Russian missiles.
A 1999 report by the House Select Committee on U.S. National
Security and Military/Commercial Concerns with the People's Republic of
China stated that the new missile submarine will likely benefit from
stolen U.S. nuclear warhead designs.
The report stated that the JL-2 is expected to have a longer range
than the DF-31 and that 16 JL-2s will be deployed on the new submarine.
The range of the JL-2 is estimated to be about 7,500 miles, enough
"to strike targets throughout the United States," the report said.
"Instead of venturing into the open ocean to attack the United
States, the Type 094-class submarines could remain near [Chinese]
waters, protected by the [People's Liberation Army,] Navy and Air
Force," the report said.
The new submarine will be a major improvement over China's current
ballistic missile submarine known as the Xia, which is equipped with
medium-range missiles.
The current Xia submarine is considered so noisy to underwater
detection gear that its chances of surviving attack submarine strikes
in ocean waters are limited.
LymeRayja
kathleen wrote:
> Yes, Thank you, I already have that on my website.
>
>
> I hope you enjoy the link for the CDC.
>
Kathleen, dont thank Calc. She speaks like she's on our side, but she's
actually a neo-nazi.
She believes the Steere camp (and the US army, and the world) is run by
a world Jewish conspiracy (just as Hitler did).
In other words, I, Dr Katz, California Lyme's family and other Jewish
Lyme victims/LLMDs are in a secret conspiracy to destroy ourselves.
in fact, all she is doing is destroying the credibility of those of us
who say that the Steere camp is guilty of deliberate fraud.
I advise you to stay away from her until her brain cells wake up, as
her fascist ideas will only discredit you.
Lisa
LymeRayja
For a stupid deer-hunter, you sure know a lot about China's bioweapons
capability.
That's the kind of thing I would expect someone else to know more
about...you know...someone like a corrupt former Lyme programme officer
for the NIH, who once worked for the State Department as a scientifc
diplomat, trawling the Warsaw Pact for biowafare scientists to recruit.
Know anyone like that, Ed?
> Could have taken after the Unit 731 germ-warfare research center from
> the 30's thats Japan had.
No, they couldn't. They didn't get a chance to. Because the United
States recruited all those Japanese Unit 731 war criminals - who
perpetrated horrific massacres, experimented on babies and pregnant
women, and dissected living prisoners - first.
Lisa
Chuck P Adams
imposter name. She was catching so much heat for her anti-Jewish posts
she used the imposter name (like she did with my name) to post it. You
could tell it was her with the anti-Bush crazy insane ramblings.
Cytyzens Agaynst Lyme Cryme
"LymeRayja" <lyme...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1129660388.7...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> kathleen wrote:
> > Yes, Thank you, I already have that on my website.
> >
> >
> > I hope you enjoy the link for the CDC.
> >
>
>
> Kathleen, dont thank Calc. She speaks like she's on our side, but she's
> actually a neo-nazi.
Gosh, Lisa what an incredibly stupid thing to say and accuse.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
I made my views clear when you went ballistic over a recent past
post of mine criticizing ZIONISM.
Speaking of brain cells waking up, maybe yours need a jumpstart.
I'm sorry that you equate Zionism only with Judaism.
Like I said in that post- I'm with the Jews Against Zionism movement
in Israel today.
TPTB (The Powers That Be) have a Zionist component as a major part
of their globalist/dominionist agenda.
I'm a "NEO-NAZI"?!
The very thought of that makes me nauseous enough to vomit.
> She believes the Steere camp (and the US army, and the world) is run by
> a world Jewish conspiracy (just as Hitler did).
I've never expressed "belief" in what you accuse above.
Do you normally make things up like that?
If you are a Jew, as you say you are, then you are a Jew of the
knee-jerk reactionary, paranoid-to-the-point-of-absurdity type of Jew.
Uhh, I like dogs (just as Hitler did).
Does that make me a Neo-Nazi?
I've tried vegetarianism (just as Hitler did).
Does that make me a Neo-Nazi?
I have a sweet tooth (just as Hitler did).
Does that make me a Neo-Nazi?
And I noticed that you threw up the holocaust in one of your last
posts to me, (the German one which lasted from the mid-1930s
to the mid 1940s) and that you had family members who died in it.
I'm sorry.
I had no part in that.
There have been other holocausts in history too.
Why didn't you throw those out in the mix?
Millions of MY PEOPLE were killed in a holocaust,
but I don't bark "Fascist!" to anyone who criticizes some of those
which make up my race and culture.
Like you do.
> In other words, I, Dr Katz, California Lyme's family and other Jewish
> Lyme victims/LLMDs are in a secret conspiracy to destroy ourselves.
Please elaborate on that.
Just out of curiosity, I'd love to see how your mind could be
so out of joint as to come to the contorted conclusion above...
> in fact, all she is doing is destroying the credibility of those of us
> who say that the Steere camp is guilty of deliberate fraud.
If anyone's "cred" has been hurt here, Lisa, it is your own.
> I advise you to stay away from her until her brain cells wake up, as
> her fascist ideas will only discredit you.
>
> Lisa
And now I'm a "fascist"?
Who are YOU?!?
Are YOU a Zionist, Lisa?
Is that why you got so mad at the words I wrote?
I came across another article - pertinent to this discussion - just today
that I'm in agreement with, for the most part. It was written by a very
wise Rabbi. Here's a quote from it:
"The ideology of Zionism is not to rely on divine providence
but to take the law into ones own hands and to try to force
the outcome in the form of a State...
The Zionist ideology was and is to force the aim of a State
irrespective of the cost in life and property to anyone
who stands in the way."
THAT encapsulates what I am against- the Dominating Nationalism
which has an agenda to rule the world, which resides in the evil hearts
of powerful men and a few women living on this planet and have
lived on this planet. Those of TPTB living now think that they are
on the threshold of the full realization of The (ancient) Plan.
It is not just Jews at the helm, but many "Goyim"
who have converted to Zionism are also the true enemies of humankind.
Israel, Judaism and Zionism
Talk By: Rabbi Ahron Cohen at Birmingham University, England
26th February '03
My friends, it is an honour to have the opportunity of talking
to you today.
I and my colleagues of Neturei Karta attend occasions such as
this because we feel that we have both a religious and humanitarian duty to
publicize our message as much as possible. So I hope and pray that with the
Creator's help my words and our discussions here today may be correct and
true in their content and conclusions.
As you have already been told, I am an orthodox Jew (that is a
Jew who endeavours to live his life completely in accordance with the Jewish
religion). I am involved in ecclesiastical duties within the Jewish
Community and am particularly involved in educating our youth and in helping
them to achieve healthy and correct attitudes. It is therefore of particular
interest to me to be able to talk to you, a student body, today.
I have been asked to talk to you about Judaism and Zionism. This
subject is of course tremendously relevant in the light of the current
situation in Palestine, where you have - let's face it - one side, the
Zionists (who are also Jews), wishing to impose a 'sectarian' State over the
heads of an indigenous population, the Palestinians. A confrontation which
has resulted in horrific bloodshed and brutality with no end in sight unless
there is a very radical change.
My qualification to talk on this subject is by virtue of my
being one of many orthodox Jews who absolutely sympathise with the
Palestinian cause, and we protest vehemently against the terrible wrongs
being perpetrated against the Palestinian People by the Zionist illegitimate
regime in Palestine.
The spearhead group among us who are involved actively in this
matter on a regular basis are called Neturei Karta, which can be loosely
translated as Guardians of the Faith. We are not a separate party or
organisation but basically a philosophy representative of a large section of
orthodox Jewry.
Let me firstly state quite categorically that Judaism and
Zionism are incompatible. They are diametrically opposed.
The question must surely arise in the minds of many of you here
today that there appears to be a paradox. After all everyone knows that
Zionists are Jews and that Zionism is for the benefit of Jews. The
Palestinians are the enemies of the Zionists. How come then that I, a Jew,
can sympathise with the Palestinian cause.
I would like to try to answer this question and to revert to the
subject of my talk - Judaism and Zionism - on two levels, religious belief
and humanitarianism. Bearing in mind that to be humanitarian is also a basic
religious requirement.
Firstly from a Jewish religious belief point of view. One has to
take a look at some aspects of the history of the Jewish people and at their
basic belief in the Al-mighty's control of our destiny and what the
Al-mighty wants of us. All as set out in our Religious teachings, our Toira,
and as taught to us through the generations by our great religious leaders.
Against this we also have to look at the history of Zionism, how it
developed, what are its aims.
Our religion is for us a total way of life. Showing us how to
live a life in the service of the Al-mighty. It affects every aspect of our
life from the cradle to the grave. We are taught that it was revealed to us
by Divine Revelation, as described in the Bible, some three and a half
thousand years ago, and that is when the Jewish People came in to being. All
of our religious requirements, practical and philosophical, are set out in
the Torah which comprises the Bible (the old testament) and a vast code of
Oral Teaching handed down to us through the generations.
As mentioned, our religion is a total way of life covering every
aspect of our life. One area of our religion is that subject to certain
conditions is that we will be given a land, the Holy Land, now known as
Palestine, in which to live and carry out various parts of our service of
the Al-mighty.
Now, before I go any further, I wish to point out something
which is very basic to understanding the difference between Judaism and
Zionism and that is that the orthodox Jewish concept of nationhood is very
different to the concept of nationhood held by most peoples. Most peoples
understand a nation to be a specific people living in a specific land. The
land is essential for the identity of the nation. They may or may not have a
religion, but the religion is immaterial to the national identity. The
orthodox Jewish concept of nationhood however, is a specific people with a
specific religion. It is the religion that establishes the national
identity. They may or may not have a land, the land is immaterial to the
Jewish national identity.
This is borne out by the fact that the Jewish nation has been
without a land for 2000 years, but as long as they retained their religion
they retained their identity.
Now I mentioned earlier that we were given a land but under
certain conditions. The conditions were basically that we had to maintain
the highest of moral, ethical and religious standards. The Jewish People did
have the land for approximately the first one thousand five hundred years of
their existence. However, regretfully, the conditions were not fulfilled to
the required degree and the Jews were exiled from their land. For the last
two thousand years or so the Jewish people have been in a state of exile
decreed by the A-lmighty because they did not maintain the standards
expected of them. This state of exile is the situation that exists right up
to the present day. It is a basic part of our belief to accept willingly the
Heavenly decree of exile and not to try and fight against it or to end it by
our own hands. To do so would constitute a rebellion against the wishes of
the A-lmighty.
In practical terms, although we have maintained our Jewish
identity by virtue of our attachment to our religion, never the less exile
for us means firstly that Jews must be loyal subjects of the countries in
which they live and not attempt to rule over the established indigenous
populations of those countries.
Secondly, that we may not attempt to set up a State of our own
in Palestine.
This would apply even if the land would be unoccupied and it
certainly applies when, as is the case, there is an existing indigenous
population. This prohibition is a basic part of our teaching and we are
forsworn not to contravene it and we are warned of the dire consequences of
doing so.
It follows, therefore, that Jews have no right to rule today in
Palestine.
Now let us consider the Zionist movement. This was founded
approximately 100 years ago mostly by secular people who were discarding
their religion but still retained what they considered as the stigma of
being Jews in exile. They considered that our state of exile was due to our
own subservient attitude - 'the Golus (exile) mentality' - and not by Divine
Decree. They wanted to throw off the constraints of exile and to try and
establish a new form of Jewish identity. Not religion based but land based.
It was based on a typical, emotion driven, secular nationalistic aim,
similar to that of most other nations. Their policy had as its centre pin
the aim of setting up a Jewish State in Palestine. But they were forging a
new kind of Jew. In fact not a Jew at all- a Zionist.
This Zionist movement was a complete abandonment of our
religious teachings and faith - in general - and in particular an
abandonment of our approach to our state of exile and our attitude to the
peoples among whom we live.
The practical outcome of Zionism in the form of the State known
as 'Israel' is completely alien to Judaism and the Jewish Faith. The very
name "Israel" which originally meant what are known as the Children of
Israel i.e. the Jewish People was usurped by the Zionists. For this reason
many orthodox Jews avoid referring to the Zionist State by the name 'Israel'
.
The ideology of Zionism is not to rely on divine providence but
to take the law into ones own hands and to try to force the outcome in the
form of a State. This is completely contrary to the approach to the matter
of exile which our Toira requires us to adopt, as handed down to us by our
great religious teachers.
I have spoken till now from the religious belief point of view.
But let us consider the humanitarian point of view (and to do so is also a
religious requirement as I mentioned earlier).The Zionist ideology was and
is to force the aim of a State irrespective of the cost in life and property
to anyone who stands in the way. The Palestinians stood in the way. We have
a fact that in order to achieve an ill conceived nationalistic ambition, a
shocking contravention of natural justice was committed by the Zionists in
setting up an illegitimate regime in Palestine completely against the wishes
of the established population, the Palestinians, which inevitably had to be
based on loss of life, killing and stealing.
Most Orthodox Jews accept the Neturei Karta view to the extent
that they do not agree in principle to the existence of the Zionist State
and would not 'shed a tear' if it came to an end. There are however a range
of opinions as to how to deal with the fact that for the time being the
Zionist State exists. These opinions range from positive cooperation to
pragmatic acceptance to total opposition in every way. The latter being the
Neturei Karta approach.
There was and is however, an additional Zionist phenomenon which
confuses the picture. That is the Religious Zionists. These are people who
claim to be faithful to the Jewish Religion but they have been influenced by
the Zionist secular nationalistic philosophy and have added a new dimension
to Judaism - Zionism, the aim of setting up now and expanding a Jewish state
in Palestine. This they try to fulfil with great fervour. (I call it
Judaism-plus) They claim that this is inherent in the Jewish religion. But
the fact is as explained earlier that this is absolutely contrary to the
teachings of our great religious teachers.
Furthermore, from a humanitarian point of view, their ideology
too was and is to force their aim irrespective of the cost in life and
property to anyone who stands in the way. The Palestinians are standing in
the way. This is all the more shocking as it is done in the name of
religion. Whereas in reality there is a totally contrary requirement of our
religion and that is to treat all peoples with compassion.
To sum up. According to the Torah and Jewish faith, the present
Palestinian > Arab claim to rule in Palestine is right and just. The Zionist
claim is wrong and criminal. Our attitude to Israel is that the whole
concept is flawed and illegitimate.
We have another problem and that is that the Zionists have made
themselves to appear as the representatives and spokespeople of all Jews
thus, with their actions, arousing animosity against the Jews. Those who
harbour this animosity are accused of anti-Semitism. However, what has to be
made abundantly clear is that Zionism is not Judaism. Zionists cannot speak
in the name of Jews. Zionists may have been born as Jews, but to be a Jew
also requires adherence to the Jewish belief and religion. So what becomes
abundantly clear is that opposition to Zionism and its crimes does not imply
hatred of Jews or 'anti-Semitism'. On the contrary Zionism itself and its
deeds are the biggest threat to Jews and Judaism.
The strife between Arab and Jew in Palestine only began when the
first Zionist pioneers came to Palestine with the express aim of forming a
State over the heads of the indigenous Arab population. That strife has
continued until this very day and has cost and continues to cost thousands
and thousands of lives. The oppression, abuse and murder in Palestine is a
tragedy not only for the Palestinians but for the Jewish people as well. And
is in fact part of the dire consequences of which we are warned if we
transgress our religious requirement not to rebel against our exile.
I wish to add that the connection between Muslims and Jews goes
right back into ancient history. Mostly the relationship was friendly and
mutually beneficial. Historically, the situation frequently was that when
Jews were being persecuted in Europe they found refuge in the various Muslim
countries. Our attitude to Muslims and Arabs can only be one of friendliness
and respect.
I would like to finish with the following words. We want to tell
the world, especially our Muslim neighbours, that there is no hatred or
animosity between Jew and Muslim. We wish to live together as friends and
neighbours as we have done mostly over hundreds even thousands of years in
all the Arab countries. It was only the advent of the Zionists and Zionism
which upset this age old relationship.
We consider the Palestinians as the people with the right to
govern in Palestine.
The Zionist State known as "Israel" is a regime that has no
right to exist. Its continuing existence is the underlying cause of the
strife in Palestine.
We pray for a solution to the terrible and tragic impasse that
exists. Hopefully based on results brought about by moral, political and
economic pressures imposed by the nations of the world.
We pray for an end to bloodshed and an end to the suffering of
all innocent people - Jew and non-Jew alike - worldwide.
We are waiting for the annulment of Zionism and the dismantling
of the Zionist regime, which will bring about an end to the suffering of the
Palestinian people. We would welcome the opportunity to dwell in peace in
the holy land under a rule which is entirely in accordance with the wishes
and aspirations of the Palestinian People.
May we soon merit the time when all mankind will be at peace
with each other.
http://www.nkusa.org/activities/speeches/bham022603.cfm
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Copyright 2003, Neturei Karta International
LymeMom
I am sorry CALC, you may be a real lyme victim but you cast some
doubts with many here.
The Steere camp is on the assault trying to destroy Kathleen and send
her back to court, if
you don't know the person in real life I would not trust anyone. It's
just the way we have to
be in this day and age of insurance trolls and disinformation agents.
Suz-
kathleen
I won't be going back to court, except as a witness
and of course, since I am suing the bastards. Too many
people know my criminal charges were totally false.
There will be a follow up on that investigation- the
false criminal charhes, and DCF defrauding the court. 'The false
allegations by my maniac ex-husband and CRAZY family. I have all
the evidence of the perjury and false allegations.
And the Lyme crooks are on the run and desperate. We know
what they did. GAME OVER.
I got a reply via airmail from Number 10 yesterday and
DCF is going to be overhauled.
courant.com
http://www.courant.com/news/local/hc-ap-dcf-overhaul-1018,0,1902922.story?coll=hc-headlines-local
Williams Calls For Legislative Overhaul Of DCF
Associated Press
October 18 2005, 5:14 PM EDT
HARTFORD, Conn. -- The president of the state Senate said Tuesday that
lawmakers would come up with a plan to overhaul the Department of
Children and Families.
Senate President Pro Tem Donald E. Williams Jr., D-Brooklyn, said
members of both parties serving on several key committees will evaluate
DCF and recommend how to provide better care to troubled youth.
Williams said a spate of recent incidences at DCF programs, including
allegations of physical and verbal abuse by an officer at the
Connecticut Juvenile Training School in Middletown, show a "lack of
accountability and coordination in the agency."
The legislative review comes as a federal court investigates
allegations that a federal monitor appointed to oversee improvements at
the agency was overpaid.
Former Court Monitor D. Ray Sirry received more than $630,000,
including salary and benefits, for his work during a single fiscal
year, according to federal tax records.
"I want explanations," Williams said.
Although two judges - not DCF - approved Sirry's expenditures, Williams
said the records show why the child welfare agency needs to improve and
get out from under a court decree.
Sirry, first appointed in 2000, resigned this summer due to health
concerns.
Copyright 2005 Associated Press
GAME OVER.
Kathleen
Cytyzens Agaynst Lyme Cryme
"LymeMom" <lymes...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1129674898....@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> I agree with Lisa on this topic.
How?
What IS the topic?
Please elaborate.
I spent more than a few minutes replying to Lisa, in detail-
something she's not returned in kind.
She's only cast dispersions, in the random and negative meaning
of that word.
> I am sorry CALC, you may be a real lyme victim but you cast some
> doubts with many here.
Have you taken a poll?
Of course many would doubt me. I've not identified myself.
I'm only as good as my words written.
But Back to the poll-
you say below that you can only trust those you've met in person
and you say "many" here doubt my position/validity/credibility/whatever.
How many of these "many" have you personally met with face to face
and know enough about them personally to "trust" them?
> The Steere camp is on the assault trying to destroy Kathleen and send
> her back to court, if
Of course I know that.
When I first entered this NG a few months ago, it did not take long to see
that Kathleen was the main object of character assassination.
I have the personal philosophy that I try to live by, and a part of it is
that the underdog, or the minority, or the outcast is usually the one
who has the guts to tell the truth and is the one most worthy of defending,
and I've always tried to champion the underdog.
> you don't know the person in real life I would not trust anyone. It's
> just the way we have to
> be in this day and age of insurance trolls and disinformation agents.
>
> Suz-
Right "Suz", and since I don't know you and since you haven't been
very prolific in your contributions here, for all I know you may
be "EvilChuck" or "Dirtyman" or someone similar.
I'm trying to look at The Big Picture here... and NOT just Lyme Disease.
The ones who are ultimately the cause of Lyme Disease,
and I do mean CAUSE... and the ones who have been fraudulent
and have made the disaster this disease is, are at the Top
and those are the ones who need most to be Toppled.
They need to be exposed.
Like,
in the hurricane we had a month ago - Katrina - and the response,
or lack of response to help the victims of that catastrophy-
the people In Charge and responsible for that Gross Negligence,
these are some of those people at the Top, who look at
the common man as being "a useless eater".
These are the ones at the Top with a vista of The Big Picture
who plan to cull the population of not just New Orleans,
or the Gulf Coast, or the United States, but of the Whole World.
and,
These are the ones who bring you the diseases, Lyme included,
to use as tools to carry out that agenda.
These people are as evil and ruthless as they come.
When I wrote that Zionists are major players in the execution
of The Plan, this agenda of World Domination, and that
many who compose TPTB are Zionists,
Lisa blows a fuse.
Now, that tells me Lisa is a the very least in sympathy with
the Zionists and Zionism, and at most, a Zionist herself.
And you "Suz" saying you "agree" with her
tells me you could be the same.
Hey "Suz", have you been keeping up with the "Hate Speech"
legislation the Zionists have been trying to implement, lately?
And how it will take away YOUR Free Speech?
How it will end, if it has its way, THIS Newsgroup.
(Lessee, I think I heard that Kathleen was ORDERED not to
"criticize the government" as part of her release agreement,
as in "THEY STRIPPED HER OF HER FREEDOM OF SPEECH")
Here's a sampling of the underhanded workings of those who would
take away the basic American Freedom of Speech - a short expose
by a dude named Ted Pike, with whom I would be in serious
disagreement over many issues, but who has nailed it with
exposing the consequences and far-reaching implications of
the "Hate Speech" legislation that is being ram-rodded thru Congress:
DON'T BE HOODWINKED BY "ANTI-HATE" BILL S. 1145!
By Rev. Ted Pike
As I spearhead national opposition to "anti-hate" bill S.1145 (The Local
Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2005), I receive input such as
this: "I have read S.1145 and don't find any great conspiracy against free
speech." Or, "My member of Congress says S.1145 merely provides federal
assistance to state and Indian tribes in their fight against violent hate
crimes."
Here is a brief guide to understanding S.1145's hidden yet supremely
dangerous agenda.
This bill empowers the federal government to assume control of local hate
crimes law enforcement. It establishes unity between federal and local law
enforcement, thus creating the beginnings of a "police state." This enables
the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith, creator of this legislation, to
enforce nationally the kind of persecution against Christians which their
national executive board member, Philadelphia District Attorney Lynne
Abraham, enforced locally against 11 Christians on October 10, 2004.
Preaching at a gay pride rally, they were arrested for violation of ADL's
Pennsylvania hate law. Possible penalties: 47 years in prison and $90,000
fines each. Mercifully, the case against them was thrown out by a higher
court.
Lynne Abraham had unrestrained power to command her police underlings to
arrest the Philadelphia Christians. ADL wants the same federal power to
enforce its federal hate crimes agenda against Christians, right-wing talk
show hosts, critics of Israel, pro-lifers, anti-war activists, etc., in
every town in America.
Federal Takeover of Law Enforcement
Instead of telling us how S.1145 threatens our liberties, the ADL
deceptively portrays this bill as a sincere effort by the federal government
to respond to a "serious national problem:" violent hate crimes in the
states and on Indian reservations.
The real goal of S.1145 is to grant permission to the federal government
to control local civil rights law enforcement.
1. Sec.2,4-13 clearly and repeatedly states that occurrence of
bias-motivated violence in a state entitles the federal government to
override states' rights in law enforcement, establishing "federal
jurisdiction over certain violent crimes motivated by bias." (12)
2. Sec.7(b)(2)(A), strategically positioned near the end of the bill (just
when most readers and members of Congress are yawning) is a tangle of
deliberately confusing grammar and legalese terminology. Yet its
implications are deadly to the future of states' rights. It says that the
U.S. Attorney General, or his underlings, may pursue hate crimes indictments
within states if:
A. States do "not intend to exercise jurisdiction" in prosecuting hate
crimes in the way the federal government wants them to. In other words, if a
state wants to prosecute all crime according to physical evidence, not "bias
motivation," and reject a federal ADL hate law for their state, then the
federal government has the right to swoop in and enforce the federal hate
law and its "bias motivation" legal philosophy, whether that state likes it
or not. Sec.7(b)(2)(A)
B. If states do not obtain the kind of verdict the federal government
wishes in a hate crimes trial, the government also has the right to
intervene and violate states' rights, presumably retrying the case to their
satisfaction. Sec.7(b)(2)(D)
This legislation establishes the premise that there exists something
called "the federal interest in eradicating bias-motivated violence" -- an
interest the government expects to be "vindicated" by the states. Section
7(b)(1)(D). This means that the traditional "ineffective" approach to
eliminating hate crimes by prosecuting them according to physical evidence,
rather than motivation, no longer satisfies "the federal interest." Instead,
the ADL/federal program to "eradicate hate crimes" means that states must
ferret out the "motivation" behind certain crimes and punish it severely
with triple penalties. Otherwise, the government implies, "hate" is not
eradicated at its most fundamental origins: in the thoughts of violent hate
crimes offenders. Thus, the government is inventing a whole new species of
criminal prosecution, dedicated to quantifying the "bias" that drives "hate
crimes." This is a task our government has never attempted. A state's lack
of cooperation will result in federal invasion.
At present, takeover by S.1145 is in response to violent bias crimes in
the states. Yet tomorrow, via enabling legislation and judicial precedents,
S.1145's jurisdiction will be extended to prosecute "verbal violence," i.e.,
Biblical condemnation of homosexuality or blame against the Jews for the
crucifixion. Such broadening of powers and jurisdiction has always occurred
in countries such as Canada who naďvely let hate laws get their foot in the
door.
Slippery Legislation
By its obscurity and deceptiveness, ADL has crafted S.1145 to slip like an
eel through Congress. This literally happened September 14, 2005 when
Amendment 2662 slithered through the House of Representatives in only 45
minutes! But, this eel has fangs. It squirms toward one dark objective:
Creation of a vast Orwellian anti-hate bureaucracy and police state with ADL
lurking behind the scenes - to seize and silence the politically incorrect
anywhere in America.
From a supreme position of power over all federal and local law
enforcement, the ADL will be able to enforce its twisted definition that
"hate" means bias against federally protected groups, particularly Jews and
homosexuals. All Bible-believing Christians will become "haters," just as
D.A. Lynne Abraham viewed them as they preached in the Philadelphia public
square last year.
Take a Second Look
So, to all who haven't seen a conspiracy in S.1145, even after reading it,
I say: Read it again more deeply. Consider how that similar ADL/B'nai B'rith
legislation has ended free speech in Canada, and European countries. You
must see S.1145 for what it is: possibly the most dangerous threat to states
' rights, evangelical Christianity, free speech, and freedom itself which
has ever been proposed to Congress.
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WHAT WE CAN DO
PROTEST S.1145 TO ALL 55 REPUBLICAN MEMBERS OF THE SENATE! These senators
are listed at www.truthtellers.org. Call toll free 1-888-355-3588 or toll
1-202-225-3121. With only one phone call, you can be transferred from one
office to the other upon your request, calling all 55 in about 20 minutes.
Tell them "I want to express my disapproval of the hate bill S.1145!"
The members of the Senate Judiciary Committee may soon approve S.1145 as
part of the Children's Safety Act of 2005, H.R.3132. If so S.1145 will
almost certainly pass on the floor of the Senate. Although later defeated in
conference it passed the Senate on June 15, 2004, 65-33. As happened in the
House of Representatives on September 14th, this bill could move through the
Senate very rapidly. All members of the Senate, especially Republicans, must
hear from you NOW!!!
Email this article to all Republican members of the Senate. Click on their
names at www.truthtellers.org to visit their website and paste this article
into their online email contact form.
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Who Is REALLY
Behind 'Hate
Crime' Legislation?
10-15-5
Congressional Legislation
'A bill to provide Federal assistance to States and
local jurisdictions to prosecute hate crimes. '
Bill # S.1145
Original Sponsor:
Edward Kennedy (D-MA)
Cosponsor Total: 45
(last sponsor added 06/23/2005)
37 Democrats <---- 37 !!!!
1 Independents
7 Republicans <---- 7 !!!!
About This Legislation:
5/26/2005--Introduced. Local Law Enforcement Enhancement Act of
2005 - Authorizes the Attorney General to provide technical, forensic,
prosecutorial, or other assistance in the criminal investigation or
prosecution of any crime that: (1) constitutes a crime of violence under
federal law or a felony under state or Indian tribal law; and (2) is
motivated by prejudice based on the race, color, religion, national origin,
gender, sexual orientation, or disability of the victim or is a violation of
the hate crime laws of the state or tribe. Directs the Attorney General to
give priority for assistance to crimes committed by offenders who have
committed crimes in more than one state and to rural jurisdictions that have
difficulty covering the extraordinary investigation or prosecution expenses.
Authorizes the Attorney General to award grants to assist state,
local, and Indian law enforcement officials with such extraordinary
expenses. Directs the Office of Justice Programs to: (1) work closely with
funded jurisdictions to ensure that the concerns and needs of all affected
parties are addressed; and (2) award grants to state and local programs
designed to combat hate crimes committed by juveniles. Prohibits specified
offenses involving actual or perceived race, color, religion, national
origin, gender, sexual orientation, or disability.
Directs the U.S. Sentencing Commission to study and provide
sentencing enhancements for adult recruitment of juveniles to commit hate
crimes. Amends the Hate Crimes Statistics Act to require the crime data to
be collected and published by the Attorney General to include data about
crimes that manifest evidence of prejudice based on gender.
http://www3.capwiz.com/c-span/issues/bills/?billnum=S.1145&congress=109
kathleen
There happens to not be a USDOJ with the exception of Patrick
Fitzgerald.
James Comey appointed him, and then Comey quit. Go to Wikipedia and
find out who Alberto Gonzales is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberto_Gonzales
Don't miss a word of it.
Kathleen
Cytyzens Agaynst Lyme Cryme wrote:
> in countries such as Canada who naïvely let hate laws get their foot in the
LLL
sensitivities.
Lost both her children.
A lot of people felt sorry for her, and thought she was being treated
unfairly.
Then . . .
She did time for threatening police.
Now she is facing more time in prison for making other threats.
Could CPS have gotten it right? Wonder of wonders!
LymeRayja
Chuck P Adams wrote:
> I told you that CALC was posting all that Nazi-Jewish crap under the
> imposter name.
What are you talking about? The Cal-Lyme impostor is you, isnt it?
<She was catching so much heat for her anti-Jewish posts>
Heat? More like a deafening silence with one person wondering if she
was right or not.
Anyway, why be mad at her, Ed? She, Marjorie Tietjen, and the other
nazis are the best friends you tossers will ever have. Every word they
write discredits Lyme activism and drives people away from finding out
the truth about you and the rest of the Steerite ratbags.
Lisa
Chuck P Adams
to make more friends...LOL
Now you have the Monster Mom's posting against you. You sure are
hiding from folks by not posting your name, using fake imposter names
(my name, californialyme) and spending money on supernews posting
service to hide who you are. I never agree with the insane people here
like Lisbian and Susan the cow, but they have a point about not
trusting you.
Oh well, I said you were a newbie troll from day one and look's like I
am right. You are a piece of crap though for posting the Anti-Jewish
crap and using Sarah's name to do it knowing that her husband is
Jewish.
By the way, were you at that Ohio Neo Nazi march the other day ? lol
LymeRayja
nothing more than the "freedom" of neo-nazis to preach race hate and
attack children for being the wrong colour, religion, race etc.
You rant about "zionism"? Zionism is about Jews believing they have the
right to statehood in the Middle East. You can criticise that. That is
antizionism. But once you start saying there is a+ "zionist agenda to
control the world", that's not anti-zionism anymore, that's fascism.
You're just using "zionist" as a code-word for "Jew". Do you think
people are born yesterday?
You said you're not responsible for the Holocaust? You probably werent
around then. but you and your co-thinkers ARE responsible for every
arson attack on a synagogue, every Jewish person who gets stabbed in an
antisemitic attack, because its YOUR ideolofy that has caused it.
You're also responsible for the racist attack on Black people and
others, because you are defending those fanatical far-right groups that
organise it.
Words lead to atrocities. It's that simple. If you can't see that, it's
because YOU are simple. And all you are doing is discrediting those of
us who want to expose the Steere camp. I
Lisa
kathleen
The agenda for control of the Middle East (Oil) is not
a Zionist agenda. It is a Bush/Cheney/Wolfowitz/Kissinger
and their banker-buddies' agenda.
It has nothing to do with religion. The War President and
the Iraq agenda is an abuse of religions- using religious
ideologies as an excuse.
If we were really Christians, the Hutus and Tutsis would
not have happened, nor would Darfur still be happening.
This bull shit over Iraq is the biggest pile of bull shit
ever spun by fascism. A laugh. It is simply a war over
wealth, Black Gold, just as Saddam Hussein and all of the
Arabs say.
It's just Greed and Hatred, ruining this country.
Connecticut is unique. We're the wealthiest, and the
Bush Weld Yale Walker Bankers live here, and the Bushs
lived in Greenwich during WWII and were bankers then,
just as they are now.
Jonathan Bush & company, the Riggs Bank, George H. W. Bush's
investment firm, The Welds, Weld White, and I don't know
about the Walkers, other than one of them is the Chief
Justice of the Second Circuit. John M. Walker.
Now you understand the Bush Social Security Agenda.
Bush does not want to be taxed and he does not want to
share a penny of his own wealth. In fact, he wants his
family banks to control all the money in the United States.
And beyond.
It's not about Jews, Christians or Muslims. It's about
black gold.
Bush says he wants to bring Freedom and Democracy to the
world. That would be like his grandfather wanting to
bring such "prosperity" to Silesia and Germany. He simply
wants an opportunity, and an EXCLUSIVE opportunity, to
own the world's resources.
This is our darkest hour.
The Riggs Bank, to some degree controlled by Uncle Jonathan
Bush, was illegally holding money for 150 Saudi families.
After this was found out and the Riggs Bank was fined 25
million dollars, the Riggs Bank was sold, and Saudi Prince
Bandar left America for good. That happened this year.
Wolfowitz, as head of the World Bank, does not want
anyone giving Africa any money. That would be because
they want exclusive rights to invest there themselves.
Equatorial Guinea, The Sudan... Where the oil is, you
will find a Bush.
It just so happens Bush's banker friends are Jews,
and it just so happens that protecting Israel is an
excuse, just as it is an excuse that we want to bring
Democracy to the Middle East. If the assets of a country
are privately owned, they are easier to take away from
the owners by "investment in development" of those assets.
If the resources of a country are state-owned, there is
an increased probability that those assets will be protected
by that country's military.
It's really very simple. We want what isn't ours.
So, we are pretending it is about political ideologies,
abusing religion. If Iraq was really a problem there
are other ways to sabotage their progress. The same is
true as regards all other potential agressors.
That was the old way of doing Homeland Security, only
we called it the CIA. The CIA was in the way of Cheney
and Bush. So was the Department of Justice and the UN.
Wolfowitz is the world's most dangerous person. He is
the one who swung away from detente. Kissinger saw the
advantage with the collapse of the Soviet empire and
their agenda all along after that was to pounce on Arab
Oil. This was a policy and contingency since the 70s.
It is Wolfowitz who is twisting ideologies.
"From 1970 to 1972 Wolfowitz taught at Yale University, where one of
his students was Lewis Libby, who would become a long-term political
associate."
Wolfowitz essentially believes he belongs to an intellectual
elite, and that there is no time for democracies to evolve
naturally, so the "morality" of our form of democracy must
be rammed down the throats of people who... happen to
have what we want.
Those are their arguments. Basically, "These people are heathens
and we have to teach them our way. Because they are dangerous
if they are not us, us is the elite, most peoples are too
stupid to govern themselves, this can be bad when they
have what we want, and threaten what we have."
A rationalization of greed; a perversion of morality.
It's really quite amazing that we stood back and let
it happen. Even though the entire world swore against
it ever happening again- Hitler.
It's almost the same damned argument: "The people who
have what we want are inferior."
Americans bought up that hatred so quickly that I am
truly ashamed to be one.
Bush and Wolfowitz do not intend to ever leave Iraq
since they have already stated that American military
bases must exist around their assets to protect their
assets. Now what could be an asset of Americans in
Iraq? There is none.
But if a base was built there, to be forever
fighting Arabs, that would be an asset. Then they will
need another such asset, and another....
Bush and Wolfowitz do not ever intend to leave the
Middle East.
Rice made that clear today.
But Wolfie, "genius" that he is, did not consider all
the variables. The heaviest-weighted variable was
China.
Now we are going to lose, because China already made
the choice to team up with Russia, and we have no allies.
We forfeited our Intelligence for the simple brute
force agenda of the Chickenhawk, Wolfowitz.
The "genius."
Now, pretend for a moment, that you are Putin...
Exactly how many nanoseconds will go by after we take
a shot at Iran, before Putin pulls the trigger?
Not even a whole one.
Kathleen
Cytyzens Agaynst Lyme Cryme
I would agree with the whole post, except for two very minor points-
It IS about religion, in that it is about Corrupted Religion/Morality
and a perversion of The Golden Rule:
"He who has the (black) Gold, Rules."
...and the fractionated nanosecond that you mention-
Putin will not even have to respond
to the coming U.S. pre-emptive strike on Iran.
Iran will strike back immediately with the Russian-made
Sunburn missiles they are loaded to the gills with,
and also some of the newest generation of the Sunburn,
which are so stealthy and dodgy and "cunning",
that some have described these super-sophisticated nuclear missiles
as "sentient organic beings".
(there is NO defense against these missiles)
Iran will launch and take out the U.S. Fleet in the Persian Gulf,
vaporize the U.S. troops in Iraq
and throw in Tel Aviv for good measure...
Putin's involvment will come a bit later,
when the whole thing escalates
into WWIII.
CALC
Chuck P Adams
system the US is rolling out with. It is made for low radar cross
section (stealthy) anti-ship missles (Russian sunburn)
I would not feel that safe though, these Russian Missles are scary.
The sunburn and onyx have two apparent advantages, and many whispered
about "secret modifications". One is the ramjet engine technology, the
other is the "smart" maneuverability. Also, these things fly fast as
hell, make no sound, ride 5 FEET OFF THE GROUND and acheive critical
velocity in 1/100th of a second generating something like 1 million
pounds per square inch of pressure in a sphere. Hence, only heat and
light remain. That's just beefy, and I don't think there's any evidence
to the contrary. America tried for a long time to buy Sunburns, but
Putin wouldn't sell them.
I would fear the YAKHONT (SS-N-26) ASCM, Iran has these all around
there coast as last reported.
The key to taking Iran is to make a first strike from Iraq with little
dependence on naval power and reduced dependence on airpower. A
mechanized force could sweep down Iran's southern coast easily and open
the door for forces moving through the Zagros from Iraq. There would be
losses- this isn't Iraq, no two ways about it. The war is definately
winnable though so long as Russia doesn't decide that it's time to
start WWIII and as long as America is uncharacteristically careful
about not disrespecting the enemy's ability.
.
Cytyzens Agaynst Lyme Cryme
"LymeRayja" <lyme...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1129749011.2...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> I dont even read your garbage.The "freedom" your're ranting about is
> nothing more than the "freedom" of neo-nazis to preach race hate and
> attack children for being the wrong colour, religion, race etc.
Lisa,
I think the real problem here is that you're a secular Jew
and not a believing Jew... and I throw my lot in with
the believing Jews in Israel and elsewhere, and have faith
that God will deliver on his Covenant Promise he made to
his Chosen People, the Jews... and will deliver on his promise
he made to the Gentiles... via Jesus Christ.
But again, with you displaying signs of not being a believer.
Then, yes there is going to be a clash between us.
It was inevitable.
You still haven't commented on the Jewish movements in Israel
protesting (secular) Zionism and saying it is diametrically opposed
to the beliefs of practicing/observant Jews (Judaism)
Do you call these believing Jews, FASCISTS & NEO-NAZIs
and ANTI-SEMITES?
Do you refer to the very wise Rabbi Ahron Cohen
as a "Neo-Nazi" or a "Fascist" or an "Anti-Semite"?
http://www.nkusa.org/activities/speeches/bham022603.cfm
> You rant about "zionism"? Zionism is about Jews believing they have the
> right to statehood in the Middle East. You can criticise that.
JEWISH Movements in Israel are criticizing that just fine, thank you.
> That is
> antizionism. But once you start saying there is a+ "zionist agenda to
> control the world", that's not anti-zionism anymore, that's fascism.
Well, you said it.
The SuperSecularNationalist Jews in Israel and elsewhere who
are part of the agenda to dominate the globe are in fact, FASCISTS.
They are not content with a sliver of land along
the Mediterranean Sea.
THEY are the Jews who have corrupted the true meaning of Zion.
> You're just using "zionist" as a code-word for "Jew". Do you think
> people are born yesterday?
Uhh, last time I looked, I was not writing 'in code'.
> You said you're not responsible for the Holocaust? You probably werent
> around then. but you and your co-thinkers ARE responsible for every
> arson attack on a synagogue, every Jewish person who gets stabbed in an
> antisemitic attack, because its YOUR ideolofy that has caused it.
>
> You're also responsible for the racist attack on Black people and
> others, because you are defending those fanatical far-right groups that
> organise it.
I'm going to give those comments the attention they deserve:
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Now.
On to another matter,
I still wonder why you haven't commented on the other Holocausts
of history.
Why not, Lisa?
It has been my observation that the secular reactionary Zionist Jews,
when confronted with or criticized about the goals of secular Zionism,
they sqawk: "Holocaust",
much like George W. Bush, when also confronted or criticized
or asked hard questions by the press, shoots back with:
"9/11!"
> Words lead to atrocities. It's that simple. If you can't see that, it's
> because YOU are simple.
Yes, the pen is mightier than the sword. I'm familiar with that principle-
but what has that got to do with what I've written about secular Zionism?
My sentiments are the same with those the Rabbi ended his speech with:
"We pray for an end to bloodshed and an end to the suffering
of all innocent people - Jew and non-Jew alike - worldwide.
We are waiting for the annulment of Zionism and the dismantling
of the Zionist regime, which will bring about an end to the suffering
of the Palestinian people. We would welcome the opportunity
to dwell in peace in the holy land under a rule which is entirely
in accordance with the wishes and aspirations of the Palestinian People.
May we soon merit the time when all mankind
will be at peace with each other."
(except I would not agree with the Rabbi about how "a rule"
comes about which will peacefully govern the holy land
and all the earth, but hey, that's cool)
> And all you are doing is discrediting those of
> us who want to expose the Steere camp. I
Lisa, you would do well to heed the words of a sage Jewish man
named Solomon, who wrote a bunch of good stuff a long time ago:
""Be not hasty in your spirit to be angry: for anger rests in the bosom of
fools"
______________________________________________(Ecclesiastes 7:9)
CALC
kathleen
DO NO HARM.
Kathleen
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