NYTIMES: Scientists resurrecting use of silver as antiseptic
Ilena Rose
By Barnaby Feder The New York Times
WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 21, 2005
Silver, one of humankind's first weapons against bacteria, is
receiving
new respect for its antiseptic powers thanks to the growing ability of
researchers to tinker with its molecular structure.
Doctors prescribed silver to fight infections at least as far back as
the days of ancient Greece and Egypt. Their knowledge was absorbed by
Rome, where historians like Pliny the Elder reported that silver
plasters caused wounds to close rapidly. More recently, in 1884, a
German doctor named C.S.F. Crede demonstrated that putting a few drops
of silver nitrate into the eyes of babies born to women with venereal
disease virtually eliminated the high rates of blindness among such
infants.
But silver's time-tested if poorly understood versatility as a
disinfectant was overshadowed in the latter half of the 20th century
by
the rise of antibiotics.
Now, with more and more bacteria developing resistance to antibiotic
drugs, some researchers and health care entrepreneurs have returned to
silver for another look. This time around, they are armed with
nanotechnology, a fast-developing collection of products and skills
that helps researchers deploy silver compounds in ways that maximize
the availability of silver ions - the element's most potent form.
Scientists also now have a better understanding of the weaknesses of
their microbial adversaries.
One of the urgent goals is to prevent bacterial infections that each
year strike 2 million hospital patients in the United States and kill
90,000, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Such infections are usually treated with large doses of antibiotics
and
sometimes with repeat surgeries. They cost the U.S. health care system
roughly $4.5 billion annually, and the challenge is growing with the
spread of drug-resistant microbes.
tood versatility as a disinfectant was overshadowed in the latter
half
of the 20th century by the rise of antibiotics....
http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/12/21/healthscience/snsilver.php
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mogwaii
alties.
nice try :)
Big Pharmas worse nightmare. A cure for most diseases (pathogen
related)
This has been known and covered up for years.
Look what they've done to this poor bastard.
http://discovery-experimental.com/infectious_diseases/infectious_diseases.htm
PeterB
The problem with nano-tweaking is that bacteria might still learn to
adapt, and there could well be unintended consequences. By contrast,
bacteria don't adapt well (if at all) to naturally-occuring
antibacterials, such as garlic, oregano, and propolis. I also think
colloidal silver as marketed today can be dangerous when consumed on a
daily basis. I do agree with use of colloidal silver as a topical, and
in cases of stomach bacterial infection (1 tbsp does the job.)
PeterB
mogwaii
1.African countries got tired of being screwed by Big Pharma and now
routinely use CS for malaria and 2 the US vet Adm is using this mineral
for it's hospitals. Many hospitals are now using the supplement. Along
with silver ion producing catheters, bandages, bone cement. etc. In
other words are digusting death camps called hospitals are slowly but
surely sanitizing themselves. The market is well aware of this and has
made adjustments.
Silver Biotics™ Mineral Supplement
Silver Biotics™ is the national marketing label for the product also
known as the ASAP Solution® (GSA # GS-07F-0826N). The product is
currently only sold as a mineral supplement. The product is currently
sold in health food stores across the United States, Canada, Russia and
numerous other countries. It is currently used by
hundreds-of-thousands of people worldwide, under a number of different
brand labels, as a daily use supplement. In general, the product is
used to boost the immune system and to help fight off disease and
infection. There have been no reported contra indications with its
continued use, with estimated sales of over a million bottles. Daily
intake usage of the Silver Biotics™ product meets the daily intake
safety standards as established by the U.S. EPA for silver consumption
(EPA RED Document, page 2, 2nd paragraph, 1991). The product has
already been approved by the country of Ghana West Africa as an
alternative to antibiotics, based on their own human studies.
Malaria Treatment
Silver Biotics™ is an anti-microbial mineral supplement that has been
and is being tested worldwide in oral human studies, against a number
of pathogens and diseases which are deadly to humans. Of special
interest are the three completed human studies from Africa, in which
the product was used as an oral intake treatment against Malaria. In
the studies, at a dosage of just two teaspoons used three times daily,
100% of the test patients were able to obtain full recovery from
Malaria in an average of just five days, with the shortest cases taking
three-and-a-half days and the longest cases taking only 10 days.
Testing after treatment showed that the Malaria protozoa were no longer
present in the blood. Additional human study Malaria tests are
currently underway. The new test results should be available in the
next 60-90 days. Copies of the three completed Malaria test summaries
are available upon request.
Cost Of Malaria Treatment
According to the GSA pricing schedule of the Silver Biotics™ product
and the data in from the three human test Malaria studies, the Silver
Biotics™ supplement could treat an average Malaria patient to full
recovery for approximately $6.00 in total cost.
Government Purchase Contract Signed
American Biotech Labs has been issued a government purchase contract on
the Silver Biotics™ product. The GSA government purchase number is
GSA # GS-07F-0826N.
Veterans Hospital Purchase Contract Signed
American Biotech Labs has just been issued a purchase contract on the
Silver Biotics™ supplement product (10/04) by the U.S. Veterans
Administration (VA). The Silver Biotics™ supplement product is one
of very few supplements ever approved to be purchased and used in
Veterans Hospital systems. The VA purchase contract is in effect until
09/30/2009. Contract number V797P-5762X. FSC Group 65, Part 1,
Section B, Pharmaceuticals, Special Item Number (SIN):622 Item #10.
Full VA approved purchase documentation is available upon request.
Yep PeterB garlic and oil of oregano are OUTSTANDING products.
PeterB
mogwaii wrote:
> C'mon Ilena we all know the new york times are propaganda tools for us
> alties.
> nice try :)
Remember, though, the article is about a patentable variation on
silver, not a naturally occuring one. Strictly speaking, this doesn't
support use of natural medicine, it points away it.
PeterB
mogwaii wrote:
> C'mon Ilena we all know the new york times are propaganda tools for us
> alties.
> nice try :)
Remember, though, the article is about a patentable variation on
silver, not a naturally occuring one. Strictly speaking, this doesn't
support use of natural medicine, it points away from it.
JohnDoe
May I remind you that when CathyB mentioned that as a problem with
Artemisin you were very quick to attack her about that. What shall we
call it: disingenious, hypocrite or plain stupid?
> By contrast, bacteria don't adapt well (if at all) to naturally-occuring
> antibacterials, such as garlic, oregano, and propolis.
Bull.
PeterB
You're mistaken (as usual.) I never said I disagreed with the WHOs
recommendation that travellers not use artemisinin to prevent malaria.
I said it wasn't a good enough reason for people with cancer not to use
it.
> > By contrast, bacteria don't adapt well (if at all) to naturally-occuring
> > antibacterials, such as garlic, oregano, and propolis.
>
> Bull.
Garlic: The Miracle Nutrient, Earl Mindell, R.Ph., Ph.D.
The Healing Benefits of Garlic, John Heinerman, Ph.D
Are you a Ph.D., Johndopey? No? Then shut up.
PeterB
mogwaii
> mogwaii wrote:
> > C'mon Ilena we all know the new york times are propaganda tools for us
> > alties.
> > nice try :)
>
> Remember, though, the article is about a patentable variation on
> silver, not a naturally occuring one. Strictly speaking, this doesn't
> support use of natural medicine, it points away from it.
>
Many patents are for the production of it rather than the "newness" of
the product. But yes they are making new patentable and supposedly
better forms in the delivery of silver ions.
Invision is the product I'm thinking of. China also has a silver
molecule which is suppose to effectively deliver silver ions. I've
read they have about produced about 20 silver producing molecules so
far.
Conval PAg-40TM:
The Tsinghua University, Beijing, developed the silver-bearing
antibiotic, silver zircon phosphate. Extensive studies proved its
action against Staphylococcus aureas, Candida albicans, and Bacilius
entritidia. Toxicity tests showed no allergenic reactions to the skin.
Tsinghua's silver-bearing antibiotic is certified by the Science and
Technology Ministry of China as a "National Key New Product" as
part of the Chinese Government's program to improve health through
sanitation of the environment. The silver-bearing antibiotic, "Conval
PAg-40TM", is marketed by the Tsinghua Pharmaceutical Co., Beijing,
and in the USA by the Kotler Marketing Group, (www.kotlermarketing.com)
Washington, DC.
Also check this out. An end to sexually transmitted diseases. not bad.
http://www.theregister.com/2005/11/21/china_liquid_condom/
Chinese float liquid condom concept
Johnny Be Good
By Tony Smith
Published Monday 21st November 2005
China's first liquid condom went on sale today after the country's
health
and drugs administration formally gave the hi-tech prophylactic the
thumbs-up,
the China Daily reports.
Dubbed the Nanometer-silver Cryptomorphic Condom (NCC), it's designed
for
female rather than male usage. The condom-in-a-can is essentially an
antiseptic foam spray that the manufacturer claims forms a physical
membrane
inside the vagina, protecting it from infection, acting as a barrier to
pregnancy and providing a lubricating effect.
It's not known who makes the NCC, but Beijing-based Chinese-Canadian
condom
maker Blue Cross Biomedical has been touting something along these
lines for
a while now.
It maintains its spray-in condom "can effectively kill gynaecological
disease pathogens such as staphylococcus aureus, Candida, coliform
bacillus,
and can prevent sexually transmitted diseases.
"It can remain in the vagina for a long time without destroying the
vagina's
chemical balance," the company adds. "Daily use of this product can
help
maintain genital hygiene and prevent infection by pathogens".
The condom's antibacterial properties presumably arise from the
nano-particles of silver incorporated into the spray. Or do they? In
South
Korea last week, the Korea Consumer Protection Board (KCPB) lambasted
local
washing machine vendors for claiming their products, which are coated
internally - not unlike... - with a nano-silver spray,
kill 99.9 per cent of germs in the wash.
Not quite, said the KCPB - it's the hot washing water that's killing
the
bacteria,
not the coating.
[our note: that is BS! water in washing machines gets *WARM* at best,
and certainly not "hot" enough to kill bacteria, etc.]
And, judging by the photo, we can't help thinking at least some
customers
will find applying the product more stimulating that actually putting
it
through its paces.
Making whether it actually works or not a somewhat moot point. ®
Skeptic
"PeterB" <p...@mytrashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1140533372.6...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
And just what would a "stomach bacterial infection" be?
Skeptic
"PeterB" <p...@mytrashmail.com> wrote in message
news:1140533372.6...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>
They adapted pretty well to the naturally occurring penicillin.
PeterB
food borne bacteria.
PeterB
Food borne bacteria.
Skeptic
Every time you swallow you're swallowing a load of bacteria. The stomach
has a very acidic pH which kills nearly all of them. The illnesses of which
you speak affect the intestines, not the stomach (unless you're talking H
pylori which doesn't actually make you sick in the traditional sense of the
word).
So if you're using colloidal silver to try to combat an infection of, say,
the colon, how would that work? Does it get absorbed and have systemic
affects??? Ouch! I hope not. Does it travel unabsorbed in the GI tract
and act that way?
PeterB
Penicillin is a drug derived from Penicillium chrysogenum, a
naturally-occuring mould. This is similar to a chemically altered form
of silver, which may work for a while, but won't be as effective as
natural food chemicals comprising part of the human food supply, having
evolved over the eons.
mogwaii
Not sure why PeterB wants to include silver in the first category (abx
are toxins from simple organisms such as the one he described above)
than in the natural food category. Silver is a natural substance in
mushrooms and boost consumption up to between 200 to 300ppm per day.
ASAP silver is per it's ingredients nothing but silver nanoparticles.
Fancy name for small particles of silver. Recent pubmed articles show
that for now, no resistance is occuring. Like chlorine, I doubt it ever
will.
mogwaii
It gets absorbed and has systemic effects. Ouch is when you don't have
one of the following catheters and you die of infection. Thats ouch!
One of hundreds of pubmed articles.
Prevention of catheter-related infections: the potential of a new
nano-silver impregnated catheter.
Samuel U, Guggenbichler JP.
Department of Urology, The University of Erlangen, Loschgestr. 15,
91054 Erlangen, Germany.
Contaminated or infected catheters are a major source of nosocomial
infections responsible for >40% of all episodes of nosocomial sepsis
in acute-care hospitals. Antibiotics as well as surface modifications
with, for example, hydrogels proved to be of little value in
preventing the contamination of indwelling catheters. The even
distribution of 10(12-13) activated silver nanoparticles per gram in
various polymers, e.g. polyurethane and silicone, results in an
excellent antimicrobial activity against a broad spectrum of organisms
in vitro. Substantial reduction of incrustation of these catheters was
also observed. These preliminary experimental data warrant clinical
studies.
PMID: 15037331 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
In vivo testing has also shown excellent results
PeterB
Mogwaii, I'll be happy to clarify. The article is not about food-based
silver. The silver found in mushrooms is soil-derived and occurs
naturally. Silver that has been molecularly altered is a drug. The
point in nano-tweaking this material is to create a patented chemical
that can be marketed for billions of dollars.
Peter
Peter Moran
>
> mogwaii wrote:
>> C'mon Ilena we all know the new york times are propaganda tools for us
>> alties.
>> nice try :)
>
> Remember, though, the article is about a patentable variation on
> silver, not a naturally occuring one. Strictly speaking, this doesn't
> support use of natural medicine, it points away it.
The critical thing about the article is that it clearly refers to silver in
its long-accepted role as a (very mild) disinfectant and antiseptic. It
has no relevance whatsoever to the use of silver products internally, in an
claimed *antibiotic* role, as it was at one time strongly promoted within
alternative medicine.
Peter Moran
mogwaii
Which is still good for us
>Silver that has been molecularly altered is a drug.
They state the reason why it works is because it's "molecularly
altered" and then in the very next sentence they state it's been used
for centuries. Which one is it?
The article is misleading. one cannot molecularly alter a silver atom.
>The
> point in nano-tweaking this material is to create a patented chemical
> that can be marketed for billions of dollars.
>
Which they can't do and why it's been suppressed for years.
http://discovery-experimental.com/infectious_diseases/infectious_diseases.htm
I believe they are trying to say silver kills new strains of
bacteria/pathogens and should therefore not be grandfathered in as a
supplement (or some such idiocy)
PeterB
Absolutely.
>
> >Silver that has been molecularly altered is a drug.
>
> They state the reason why it works is because it's "molecularly
> altered" and then in the very next sentence they state it's been used
> for centuries. Which one is it?
Both forms make use of silver particles, but the nanocrystalline form
makes them into a coating for medical devices (not a drug as I said
earlier by mistake.)
> The article is misleading. one cannot molecularly alter a silver atom.
Molecules are bigger than atoms, but I think I was mistaken about the
process used in this case. The product is apparently only to be used
for treating medical instruments.
> >The
> > point in nano-tweaking this material is to create a patented chemical
> > that can be marketed for billions of dollars.
I was mistaken; it won't be used as a drug as I first thought.
> Which they can't do and why it's been suppressed for years.
> http://discovery-experimental.com/infectious_diseases/infectious_diseases.htm
> I believe they are trying to say silver kills new strains of
> bacteria/pathogens and should therefore not be grandfathered in as a
> supplement (or some such idiocy)
I would not consume colloidal silver anyway -- there is no good
evidence for its effectiveness or safety (except topically.) It might
be taken to prevent or reduce food borne bacteria in stored foods (a
few drops), and might destroy food borne bacteria in the stomach if
that is suspected.
PeterB
mogwaii
> "PeterB" <p...@mytrashmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1140535853....@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > mogwaii wrote:
> >> C'mon Ilena we all know the new york times are propaganda tools for us
> >> alties.
> >> nice try :)
> >
> > Remember, though, the article is about a patentable variation on
> > silver, not a naturally occuring one. Strictly speaking, this doesn't
> > support use of natural medicine, it points away it.
>
> The critical thing about the article is that it clearly refers to silver in
> its long-accepted role as a (very mild) disinfectant and antiseptic. It
> has no relevance whatsoever to the use of silver products internally, in an
> claimed *antibiotic* role, as it was at one time strongly promoted within
> alternative medicine.
>
It's a disinfectant in that it kills pathogens in a different manner
than antibiotics. As to it's in vivo abilities the University of Texas
M. D. Anderson Cancer Center states that silver does indeed work in
vivo. Also keep in mind that the Vet Administration is using ASAP
silver supplements in its hospitals. A big FU to the treasonous FDA
imo.
Don't believe me, go to pubmed and search silver antimicrobial. There
are HUNDREDS of modern medical articles on the abilities of silver.
Here's the UT one
Intravascular catheter-related infections: new horizons and recent
advances.
Raad II, Hanna HA.
Department of Infectious Diseases, Infection Control, and Employee
Health, The University of Texas M. D. Anderson Cancer Center, 1515
Holcombe Blvd, Houston, TX 77030, USA. i...@mdanderson.org
....Novel preventive techniques include the
use of IONIC SILVER, an anticoagulant/antimicrobial flush solution, a
new aseptic hub, and antimicrobial impregnation of catheters and
dressings...
* Review
PMID: 11966337 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
PeterB
No, I wasn't talking H pylori. Other bacteria (like salmonella) must
transit through the stomach alive in order to reach the intestines. I
admit it wouldn't work unless the solute was taken immediately after
eating, on suspicious the food is contaminated.
> So if you're using colloidal silver to try to combat an infection of, say,
> the colon, how would that work? Does it get absorbed and have systemic
> affects??? Ouch! I hope not. Does it travel unabsorbed in the GI tract
> and act that way?
I haven't seen any evidence for it.
PeterB
Skeptic
"mogwaii" <borger...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1140549376.4...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
That is a local, not systemic, effect.
vernon
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> to develop anti-biotics to survive and all we did was isolate this
> particular one. It was not "chemically altered". Natural.
TA-DA right on.
Peter Moran
This is still a topical or local or antiseptic use, as applies also with eye
drops and burn creams. Of course bactericidal concentrations can be
obtained when silver preparations are *directly* applied to an area. I did
not dispute that, did I? .
I challenge you to find any evidence that bactericidal concentrations of
silver can established in the human circulation, let alone in any body
tissue, after oral ingestion of the usually recommended forms and amounts
of colloidal silver. There are innumerable barriers to that happening.
Huge amounts would need to be consumed, with no present knowledge as to the
possible ill effects of such, or even whether such a colloid would not be
quickly sieved out of the blood by the liver, like any other colloid, even
if it was absorbed from the gut . There is no question that such claims
were quackery..
Peter Moran
Mark Probert
The problem with that is why would someone eat food that is so obviously
contaminated that they would *immediately* take something in a few
minutes after eating it? It does not make sense.
>
>> So if you're using colloidal silver to try to combat an infection of, say,
>> the colon, how would that work? Does it get absorbed and have systemic
>> affects??? Ouch! I hope not. Does it travel unabsorbed in the GI tract
>> and act that way?
>
> I haven't seen any evidence for it.
CS is absorbed, or otherwise argyria would not be a problem.
Mark Probert
> Peter Moran wrote:
>> "PeterB" <p...@mytrashmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1140535853....@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>> mogwaii wrote:
>>>> C'mon Ilena we all know the new york times are propaganda tools for us
>>>> alties.
>>>> nice try :)
>>> Remember, though, the article is about a patentable variation on
>>> silver, not a naturally occuring one. Strictly speaking, this doesn't
>>> support use of natural medicine, it points away it.
>> The critical thing about the article is that it clearly refers to silver in
>> its long-accepted role as a (very mild) disinfectant and antiseptic. It
>> has no relevance whatsoever to the use of silver products internally, in an
>> claimed *antibiotic* role, as it was at one time strongly promoted within
>> alternative medicine.
>>
>
> It's a disinfectant in that it kills pathogens in a different manner
> than antibiotics. As to it's in vivo abilities the University of Texas
> M. D. Anderson Cancer Center states that silver does indeed work in
> vivo. Also keep in mind that the Vet Administration is using ASAP
> silver supplements in its hospitals. A big FU to the treasonous FDA
> imo.
>
> Don't believe me, go to pubmed and search silver antimicrobial. There
> are HUNDREDS of modern medical articles on the abilities of silver.
I did just as you suggested. There were none, zero, zilch, nada studies
on the use of silver taken internally as a substitute for an antibiotic.
All relevant articles pertained to its use as a topical antimicrobial.
mogwaii
When a catheter is shoved up my penis or into my heart, I consider that
"taken internally".
David Wright
That's because you don't know what the term means.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
-- Alice Roosevelt Longworth
Skeptic
Still, when you're talking about coating catheters with any substance, it is
a purely topical therapeutic modality.
mogwaii
Yep, a catheter in your freaking HEART is topical. whatever.
>
> I challenge you to find any evidence that bactericidal concentrations of
> silver can established in the human circulation, let alone in any body
> tissue, after oral ingestion of the usually recommended forms and amounts
> of colloidal silver. There are innumerable barriers to that happening.
> Huge amounts would need to be consumed, with no present knowledge as to the
> possible ill effects of such, or even whether such a colloid would not be
> quickly sieved out of the blood by the liver, like any other colloid, even
> if it was absorbed from the gut . There is no question that such claims
> were quackery..
>
> Peter Moran
The product has already been approved by the country of Ghana West
Africa as an alternative to antibiotics, based on their own human
studies.
ASAP did their own.
Malaria Treatment
Silver Biotics™ is an anti-microbial mineral supplement that has been
and is being tested worldwide in oral human studies, against a number
of pathogens and diseases which are deadly to humans. Of special
interest are the three completed human studies from Africa, in which
the product was used as an oral intake treatment against Malaria. In
the studies, at a dosage of just two teaspoons used three times daily,
100% of the test patients were able to obtain full recovery from
Malaria in an average of just five days, with the shortest cases taking
three-and-a-half days and the longest cases taking only 10 days.
Testing after treatment showed that the Malaria protozoa were no longer
present in the blood. Additional human study Malaria tests are
currently underway. The new test results should be available in the
next 60-90 days. Copies of the three completed Malaria test summaries
are available upon request.
AND
American Biotech Labs has just been issued a purchase contract on the
Silver Biotics™ supplement product (10/04) by the U.S. Veterans
Administration (VA). The Silver Biotics™ supplement product is one
of very few supplements ever approved to be purchased and used in
Veterans Hospital systems. The VA purchase contract is in effect
until 09/30/2009. Contract number V797P-5762X. FSC Group 65, Part 1,
Section B, Pharmaceuticals, Special Item Number (SIN):622 Item #10.
Full VA approved purchase documentation is available upon request.
Why do you think the VA purchased these supplements? Everyone freaking
knows, my doc who gave me my silver knows. we also know there is a
media black out on this issue. It was in the GD journal of
nanotechnology as killing HIV. Did they not have a subscription? Did
they not consider it news worthy? Every top media exec will have to
answer as to why everyone in the freaking world knew except them and
how many died due to their "ignorance".
mogwaii
The newer cooler models are in effect make colloidal silver inside the
body.
Take a tour
http://www.edwards.com/Products/CentralVenous/VantexInservice.htm?WT.ac=Vantex
Skeptic
While they hypothesize there are systemic benefits, they are clearly not
able to state that. They state that their product helps prevent catheter
colonization. This is the same claim made by other companies with different
technologies to accomplish it. Until such time as there is proof that a
silver impregnated catheter has systemic antibiotic effects, this is nothing
more than a topical treatment to help preven infection.
Skeptic
"AND
American Biotech Labs has just been issued a purchase contract on the
Silver BioticsT supplement product (10/04) by the U.S. Veterans
Administration (VA). The Silver BioticsT supplement product is one
of very few supplements ever approved to be purchased and used in
Veterans Hospital systems. The VA purchase contract is in effect
until 09/30/2009. Contract number V797P-5762X. FSC Group 65, Part 1,
Section B, Pharmaceuticals, Special Item Number (SIN):622 Item #10.
Full VA approved purchase documentation is available upon request.
Why do you think the VA purchased these supplements? Everyone freaking
knows, my doc who gave me my silver knows. we also know there is a
media black out on this issue. It was in the GD journal of
nanotechnology as killing HIV. Did they not have a subscription? Did
they not consider it news worthy? Every top media exec will have to
answer as to why everyone in the freaking world knew except them and
how many died due to their "ignorance".
"
Oh boy... here we go... "media blackout". Yeah, because CBS is so totally
owned by the silver underworld. Yawn...
I work at a VA. VA contracts go to the lowest bidder, period. They always
have.
So if silver is the cure for HIV, what does gold cure? Shit, platinum must
be the key to eternal life!
mogwaii
Skeptic wrote:
> "mogwaii" <borger...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1140579937.8...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>
>
> "AND
> American Biotech Labs has just been issued a purchase contract on the
> Silver BioticsT supplement product (10/04) by the U.S. Veterans
> Administration (VA). The Silver BioticsT supplement product is one
> of very few supplements ever approved to be purchased and used in
> Veterans Hospital systems. The VA purchase contract is in effect
> until 09/30/2009. Contract number V797P-5762X. FSC Group 65, Part 1,
> Section B, Pharmaceuticals, Special Item Number (SIN):622 Item #10.
> Full VA approved purchase documentation is available upon request.
> Why do you think the VA purchased these supplements? Everyone freaking
> knows, my doc who gave me my silver knows. we also know there is a
> media black out on this issue. It was in the GD journal of
> nanotechnology as killing HIV. Did they not have a subscription? Did
> they not consider it news worthy? Every top media exec will have to
> answer as to why everyone in the freaking world knew except them and
> how many died due to their "ignorance".
> "
>
>
> Oh boy... here we go... "media blackout". Yeah, because CBS is so totally
> owned by the silver underworld. Yawn...
>
Your lack of logic is beyond words. If CBS was owned by the "silver
underworld" wouldn't they be doing pieces on it? Lets see who owns
them? who spends millions of dollars worth of ads with them?
> I work at a VA. VA contracts go to the lowest bidder, period. They always
> have.
My question is not HOW they bought the silver product but WHY did they
buy these silver supplements?
Mark Probert
Please purchase a copy of "Human Anatomy for Dummies" as your knowledge
of the subject is lacking.
As for your other point, what you describe is still a surface treatment,
not something that is systemic, as an antibiotic would be.
Skeptic
Ah, ya gut me mate. They must be owned by antibiotic industry. Dastahdly
devils they are!
>> I work at a VA. VA contracts go to the lowest bidder, period. They
>> always
>> have.
>
> My question is not HOW they bought the silver product but WHY did they
> buy these silver supplements?
They must have had the lowest bid for coated catheters friend.
>> So if silver is the cure for HIV, what does gold cure? Shit, platinum
>> must
>> be the key to eternal life!
So, will platinum bring eternal life or what?
vernon
You are literally correct, but it still is topical application. In CONTEXT
here, internal means systemic attributes. Semantics is dangerous unless you
have dealt with it many years.
PeterB
Maybe it's not so obvious. Maybe you are on a picnic and don't get to
the food as early as expected. Maybe a terrorist forces you to eat a
stale hamburger, but relents when you beg for a teaspoon of colloidal
silver water (cleverly disguised as Intifada water.) Perhaps you keep
a spray bottle of colloidal silver and treat suspect food before eating
it. You could also try colloidal gel caps and see if they release
successfully in the intestinal tract (though I haven't seen any.)
> >> So if you're using colloidal silver to try to combat an infection of, say,
> >> the colon, how would that work? Does it get absorbed and have systemic
> >> affects??? Ouch! I hope not. Does it travel unabsorbed in the GI tract
> >> and act that way?
> >
> > I haven't seen any evidence for it.
>
>
> CS is absorbed, or otherwise argyria would not be a problem.
Argyria occurs because the silver particles are too large for cellular
uptake, which allows them to accumulate in tissue. So yes, they absorb
into the blood, but aren't utilized at the cellular level.
PeterB
mogwaii
Bingo
> >> I work at a VA. VA contracts go to the lowest bidder, period. They
> >> always
> >> have.
> >
> > My question is not HOW they bought the silver product but WHY did they
> > buy these silver supplements?
>
> They must have had the lowest bid for coated catheters friend.
Nooooo, not catheters. Silver supplements. As in they are giving the
patients silver supplements either oral or IV. Unless you can come up
with another use for the supplements? Keep in mind they also purchase
ASAP AGX 32 for disinfectant use.
>> So if silver is the cure for HIV, what does gold cure? Shit,
platinum
> >> must
> >> be the key to eternal life!
>
> So, will platinum bring eternal life or what?
You're on your own on that one.
mogwaii
And when silver is used to make bone cement? Do you consider that to be
"topical antimicrobial effects"? Tough crowd!
I see you are also dodging the silver supplement use in VA hospitals.
Whatcha think they are doing with that stuff? They already purchase
ASAP AGX 32 for disinfectant use. Can't wait to hear this.
mogwaii
Current size of production (silver nanotechnology) means cellular
penetration is very probable and no it does not cause argyria. Hundreds
of thousands use CS and I fail to see blue people walking about. red
herring argument/scare tactic.
PeterB
Good response. Allow me to clarify my earlier remark. When the
particles in a given silver colloid are too large for uptake to occur,
there will be no benefit. It appears that colloidal generators (and
most common retail colloids) fail to provide such adequately small
particles. I just interviewed Natural Immunogenics (maker of Sovereign
Silver), and they provide a signed University assay validating product
specifications (also published on their website.) I have never tried
it, but I'm impressed they have a product with 1 nanometer sized
particles. Generally, those with renal failure are at elevated risk of
argyria, but not others. Thanks for keeping me honest.
PeterB
mogwaii
least i could do sense I've reprinted your "Warning: Pharma Blogger
infestation" post many a time.
with your sig@mha of course and I might add i'm not the only one, it's
a very popular post!
As for home generators the size is fine afaik but they are not silver
particles but mostly silver ions. While good for mouthwash, topical
use, etc, they bind quickly to say CL and become useless. As to other
brands, you could be right, each one claims to be the best. I plan on
looking into this Natural Immunogenics. Thanks.
Mark Probert
Yes, as it is painted on the surface of bone.
> I see you are also dodging the silver supplement use in VA hospitals.
> Whatcha think they are doing with that stuff? They already purchase
> ASAP AGX 32 for disinfectant use. Can't wait to hear this.
Disinfectants are topical, not systemic.
Mark Probert
Good imagination.
PeterB
Gee, I'm very happy to hear that.
> As for home generators the size is fine afaik but they are not silver
> particles but mostly silver ions. While good for mouthwash, topical
> use, etc, they bind quickly to say CL and become useless. As to other
> brands, you could be right, each one claims to be the best. I plan on
> looking into this Natural Immunogenics. Thanks.
There isn't a lot of good science on this subject, unfortunately.
You're right about the binding with CL, I've observed this myself by
simply pouring water into a colloid. I simply threw it out. I will be
interviewing Natural Immunogenics again today in more depth.
PeterB
mogwaii
lmao, whatever. no it is NOT painted on. At least not the ones I
researched
>
> > I see you are also dodging the silver supplement use in VA hospitals.
> > Whatcha think they are doing with that stuff? They already purchase
> > ASAP AGX 32 for disinfectant use. Can't wait to hear this.
>
> Disinfectants are topical, not systemic.
You did not answer the question, The ASAP AGX 32 is purchased for
disinfectant use. They (the VA) ALSO purchase The Silver Biotics™
supplement. What do normal people do with supplements? Can we assume
the VA is using them as any other sane person would? If not for the
media BLACKOUT we would know how effective their policy is.
mogwaii
If you don't mind and he doesn't mind I'd love to hear about it!
Mark Probert
There is ceramic paste bone cement. There is also a filler material
referred to as bone cement. Regardless of which you are referring to,
neither is systemic.
mogwaii
The VA hospital patients who take ASAP silver supplements. Does that
qualify as "systemic" in your opinion?
Mark Probert
It is used as a disinfectant. Read this:
Veterans Hospital Purchase Contract Signed
American Biotech Labs has just been issued a purchase contract on the
Silver Biotics™ supplement product (10/04) by the U.S. Veterans
Administration (VA). The Silver Biotics™ supplement product is one of
very few supplements ever approved to be purchased and used in Veterans
Hospital systems. The VA purchase contract is in effect until
09/30/2009. Contract number V797P-5762X. FSC Group 65, Part 1, Section
B, Pharmaceuticals, Special Item Number (SIN):622 Item #10. Full VA
approved purchase documentation is available upon request.
ASAP-AGX-32™
The ASAP-AGX-32™ product (GSA # GS-07F-0826N) is a fully EPA approved
surface disinfectant product. The ASAP-AGX-32™ is approved for
disinfectant use in:
* Hospital operating rooms
* Any medical facility
* Industrial facilities
* Commercial facilities
* Residential or home uses
The ASAP-AGX-32™ is approved to kill:
* Gram-negative bacteria (i.e. Salmonella choleraesuis)
* Gram-positive bacteria (i.e. Staphylococcus aureus)
* Nosocomial bacteria pathogen (i.e. Pseudomonas aeruginosa)(known as
“hospital super bugs”)
Government Purchase Contract Signed
American Biotech Labs has been issued a government purchase contract on
the ASAP-AGX-32™ product. The GSA government purchase number is GSA #
GS-07F-0826N.
Veterans Hospital Purchase Contract Signed
American Biotech Labs has just been issued a purchase contract on the
ASAP-AGX-32™ product (10/04) by the U.S. Veterans Administration (VA).
The VA purchase contract is in effect until 09/30/2009. Contract number
V797P-5762X. FSC Group 65, Part 1, Section B, Pharmaceuticals, Special
Item Number (SIN):622, Item #32. Full VA approved purchase documentation
is available upon request.
http://www.tpromo.com/manfull/microbe.htm
---------
I am still waiting for an iota of proof of your claims.
Yawn...long wait ahead....
Mark Probert
See:
http://www.tpromo.com/manfull/microbe.htm
-------------
It was purchased as a disinfectant, not to be taken internally.
Still waiting for proof...yawn...long wait ahead....
mogwaii
Yes we discussed the ASAP-AGX-32™ product being purchased as a
disinfectant. I freaking told you this. Now why are they buying the
SUPPLEMENT below? This is the fourth or fifth time you dodged this.
it's quite embarrassing.
PeterB
Markey is a Roger Dodger by trade. It's what he does and always will
do.
PeterB
Mark Probert
Hmmm...so the VA bought $125,000 of this substance.
http://www.bos.oamm.va.gov/cgi-bin/WebObjects/BosPublic.woa/wa/contract?number=V797P-5762x
The VA lists it as:
65 - Medical, Dental, and Veterinary Equipment and Supplies
The only one claims that it is used internally is:
http://www.pahealthsystems.com/message653691.html
Now, can you provide a scintilla of evidence that the VA purchased this
for the purposes YOU, and ONLY YOU, claims?
Mark Probert
Well, Petey, thanks for you $0.02. However, as I pointed out, and
proved, there is NO evidence that this substance is used as claimed.
mogwaii
Why don't we get someone to interview them. aaaaagh thats right there's
a media blackout.
Mark Probert
Wrong. Untrue. The websites which I referenced give email addresses of
VA employees. It would behoove you to email them and have them point you
in the right direction. Until then, you are using a non-ferrous compass.
mogwaii
but ya see, it's about you and ASAP. Thats how usenet ROLLS. ASAP
company carries more clout than whoever you think you are. They are
making a claim. either you disprove it or shut the hell up.
Mark Probert
WRONG. YOU are making the claim here that the VA bought it for human
consumption. Clearly, YOU have the burden of proving it.
As for me shutting up, is that because I have backed you into a corner
where you have no way of getting out? Sure it is.
vernon
> >>>>> disinfectant use. They (the VA) ALSO purchase The Silver BioticsT
> >>>>> supplement. What do normal people do with supplements? Can we assume
> >>>>> the VA is using them as any other sane person would? If not for the
> >>>>> media BLACKOUT we would know how effective their policy is.
> >>>>>
> >>> The VA hospital patients who take ASAP silver supplements. Does that
> >>> qualify as "systemic" in your opinion?
> >> See:
> >>
> >> http://www.tpromo.com/manfull/microbe.htm
> >>
> >> Veterans Hospital Purchase Contract Signed
> >> American Biotech Labs has just been issued a purchase contract on the
> >> Silver BioticsT supplement product (10/04) by the U.S. Veterans
> >> Administration (VA). The Silver BioticsT supplement product is one of
> >> very few supplements ever approved to be purchased and used in Veterans
> >> Hospital systems. The VA purchase contract is in effect until
> >> 09/30/2009. Contract number V797P-5762X. FSC Group 65, Part 1, Section
> >> B, Pharmaceuticals, Special Item Number (SIN):622 Item #10. Full VA
> >> approved purchase documentation is available upon request.
> >>
> >> ASAP-AGX-32T
> >> The ASAP-AGX-32T product (GSA # GS-07F-0826N) is a fully EPA approved
> >> surface disinfectant product. The ASAP-AGX-32T is approved for
> >> disinfectant use in:
> >>
> >> * Hospital operating rooms
> >> * Any medical facility
> >> * Industrial facilities
> >> * Commercial facilities
> >> * Residential or home uses
> >> The ASAP-AGX-32T is approved to kill:
> >> * Gram-negative bacteria (i.e. Salmonella choleraesuis)
> >> * Gram-positive bacteria (i.e. Staphylococcus aureus)
> >> * Nosocomial bacteria pathogen (i.e. Pseudomonas aeruginosa)(known as
> >> "hospital super bugs")
> >> Government Purchase Contract Signed
> >> American Biotech Labs has been issued a government purchase contract on
> >> the ASAP-AGX-32T product. The GSA government purchase number is GSA #
> >> GS-07F-0826N.
> >>
> >> Veterans Hospital Purchase Contract Signed
> >> American Biotech Labs has just been issued a purchase contract on the
> >> ASAP-AGX-32T product (10/04) by the U.S. Veterans Administration (VA).
> >> The VA purchase contract is in effect until 09/30/2009. Contract number
> >> V797P-5762X. FSC Group 65, Part 1, Section B, Pharmaceuticals, Special
> >> Item Number (SIN):622, Item #32. Full VA approved purchase
> >> documentation
> >> is available upon request.
> >>
> >> -------------
> >>
> >> It was purchased as a disinfectant, not to be taken internally.
> >>
> >> Still waiting for proof...yawn...long wait ahead....
> >
> > Yes we discussed the ASAP-AGX-32T product being purchased as a
> > disinfectant. I freaking told you this. Now why are they buying the
> > SUPPLEMENT below? This is the fourth or fifth time you dodged this.
> > it's quite embarrassing.
> >
> > Veterans Hospital Purchase Contract Signed
> > American Biotech Labs has just been issued a purchase contract on the
> > Silver BioticsT supplement product (10/04) by the U.S. Veterans
> > Administration (VA). The Silver BioticsT supplement product is one of
> >
> > very few supplements ever approved to be purchased and used in Veterans
> >
> > Hospital systems. The VA purchase contract is in effect until
> > 09/30/2009. Contract number V797P-5762X. FSC Group 65, Part 1, Section
> > B, Pharmaceuticals, Special Item Number (SIN):622 Item #10. Full VA
> > approved purchase documentation is available upon request.
>
> Hmmm...so the VA bought $125,000 of this substance.
>
> http://www.bos.oamm.va.gov/cgi-bin/WebObjects/BosPublic.woa/wa/contract?number=V797P-5762x
>
> The VA lists it as:
>
> 65 - Medical, Dental, and Veterinary Equipment and Supplies
>
> The only one claims that it is used internally is:
>
> http://www.pahealthsystems.com/message653691.html
>
> Now, can you provide a scintilla of evidence that the VA purchased this
> for the purposes YOU, and ONLY YOU, claims?
>Why don't we get someone to interview them. aaaaagh thats right there's
>a media blackout.
And it is just so YOU wont find out.
Anyone with a brain can get every single document or note by the U.S.
government except for secret and temporarily confidential information and
THAT NEVER has to do with hospital treatments or drugs unless there is an
enemy involvement.
mogwaii
so what. it'll never show up in mass media. have you been paying
attention.
mogwaii
So I looked up what they were doing with the supplement/abx in Africa.
I couldn't find endoscopy?
Summary Report of the First African Human Trials of American Biotech
Labs' Silver Biotics™
The Hospitals
The first series of 58 trials was accomplished at three (3) hospitals
in Ghana, West Africa. The three hospitals were: the Air Force Station
Hospital under the direction of Dr. Kwabiah, The Korie-Bu Teaching
Hospital under the direction of Dr. Sackey, and the Justab
Clinic/Maternity under the direction of Dr. Abraham.
Diversity Of Use
Silver Biotics™ was tried on a wide diversity of human problems,
including malaria, upper respiratory tract infections, urinary tract
infections, sinusitis infections, vaginal yeast infections, eye, nose
and ear infections, cuts and fungal skin infections and even for
sexually transmitted diseases like gonorrhea etc. Silver Biotics™ was
used as both an internal and external antibiotic alternative.
The Product
All treatments were performed using the American Biotech Labs' Silver
Biotics™ at a strength of 10 parts per million.
Summary Data
The data will summarize the type of human ailment the product was used
to treat, the average time it took to see signs of recovery, average
time under treatment to obtain full recovery (as deemed by the
doctors), and the average dosage used during the time of treatment.
The Results
Abdominal Pain & Diarrhea: One patient was diagnosed with this
condition. The patient received 10 ml. (two teaspoons) of Silver
Biotics™ three times in one day. The patient was reported fully
recovered in 1 day.
Bronchitis: Two patients were diagnosed with this condition. The
patients were given 5 ml (one teaspoon) of Silver Biotics™ twice
daily. Both patients showed signs of recovery within 1-2 days and both
were reported fully recovered within 3 days.
Candida Vaginal Yeast Infection: Five patients were diagnosed with
this condition. The patients received 10 ml (two teaspoons) of Silver
Biotics™ twice daily as a vaginal douche. The patients showed signs
of recovery in an average of 3 days and were reported fully recovered
in an average of 5.6 days.
Conjunctivitis (Eye Infection): Two patients were diagnosed with this
condition. The patients received several drops of Silver Biotics™ in
the infected eye, twice daily. Both patients were reported fully
recovered within 1 day.
External Cuts & Infection: Six patients were diagnosed with this
condition. The conditions included: Staph skin infections, septic
ulcers, and infected abscesses. The patients received 5 ml of Silver
Biotics™ twice daily. The patients showed signs of recovery within
an average of 2.16 days and were reported fully recovered within an
average of 3 days.
External Otitis (Ear Infection): Six patients were diagnosed with this
condition. The patients received two drops of Silver Biotics™ in the
infected ear three times daily. The patients showed signs of recovery
within an average of 1.66 days and were reported fully recovered within
an average of 3.5 days.
Otitis Media (Middle Ear Infection): One patient was diagnosed with
this condition. The patient received 2 drops of Silver Biotics™ in
the infected ear, three times daily. The patient showed signs of
recovery in 2 days and was reported fully recovered in 4 days.
Fungal Skin Infection: Two patients were diagnosed with fungal skin
infections. The patients received 10 ml of Silver Biotics™ three
times daily. The patients showed signs of recovery in an average of 4.5
days and were reported fully recovered in 8 days.
Gonorrhea: Two patients were diagnosed as having gonorrhea. The
patients received 10ml (two teaspoons) of Silver Biotics™ two times
daily. The patients showed signs of recovery in an average of 3.5 days
and were reported fully recovered in an average of 6 days.
Malaria: Eleven patients were diagnosed as having malaria. The
patients received 10 ml (two teaspoons) of Silver Biotics™ three
times daily. The patients showed signs of recovery in an average of
2.4 days and were reported fully recovered in an average of 5 days.
Mouth Problems: Two patients were diagnosed as having mouth problems.
One case was gingivitis and the other was halitosis. Both patients
were given Silver Biotics™ as a mouth wash. The case of gingivitis
was reported recovered in 3 days. The case of halitosis was reported
recovered in 1 day.
Pelvic Inflammatory Disease: One patient was diagnosed with this
disease. The patient received 5 ml of Silver Biotics™ (one teaspoon)
two times daily as a vaginal douche. The patient showed signs of
recovery in 2 days and was reported fully recovered in 5 days.
Pharyngitis (Sore Throat): Four patients were diagnosed with
pharyngitis. The patients received 10 ml (two teaspoons) of Silver
Biotics™, three times daily as a gargle. The patients showed signs
of recovery in an average of 3.75 days and were reported fully
recovered in an average of 5.25 days.
Retro Viral Infection, HIV: One patient was diagnosed with a retro
viral infection. The patient received 5 ml (one teaspoon) of Silver
Biotics™ two times daily. The patient showed signs of recovery in 4
days and was reported fully recovered 5 days.
Sinusitis/ Rhinitis (Nasal Infections): Six patients were reported with
sinus problems. Four patients were reported with sinusitis and two
patients were reported with rhinitis. The patients received two drops
of Silver Biotics™ in their nasal passages, three times daily. The
patients showed signs of recovery in an average of 1.6 days and were
reported fully recovered in an average of 3.2 days.
Tonsilitis: One patient was diagnosed with tonsilitis. The patient
received 10 ml of Silver Biotics™ three times daily as a gargle. The
patient showed signs of recovery in 2 days and was reported fully
recovered in 7 days.
Upper Respiratory Tract Infection : Two patients were diagnosed with
upper respiratory tract infections. The patients received 5 ml of
Silver Biotics™ (one teaspoon) three times daily. The patients
showed signs of recovery in an average of 3 days and were reported
fully recovered in 6 days.
Urinary Tract Infections Three patients were diagnosed with Urinary
Tract Infections. The patients received 10 ml of Silver Biotics™
(two teaspoons) two to three times daily. The patients showed signs of
recovery in an average of 3.33 days and were reported fully recovered
within an average of 5.6 days.
Summary
The human studies summarized herein were completed in Ghana, West
Africa. This report summarizes 50% of the 120 patients who participated
in the study. Some patients were suffering from more than one ailment
or problem at the time of treatment. These patients were treated for
one or two of 18 different human ailments or problems. In almost every
case, the doctors using Silver Biotics™ in 10ppm as an antibiotic
alternative reported that their patients achieved full recovery within
just seven days or less of treatment. At this time, the testing is
ongoing
PeterB
> > > particles but mostly silver ions. While good for mouthwash, topical
> > > use, etc, they bind quickly to say CL and become useless. As to other
> > > brands, you could be right, each one claims to be the best. I plan on
> > > looking into this Natural Immunogenics. Thanks.
> >
> > There isn't a lot of good science on this subject, unfortunately.
> > You're right about the binding with CL, I've observed this myself by
> > simply pouring water into a colloid. I simply threw it out. I will be
> > interviewing Natural Immunogenics again today in more depth.
> >
> > PeterB
>
> If you don't mind and he doesn't mind I'd love to hear about it!
Sure thing. I had to reschedule the call for next week, but I'll post
the results afterward.
PeterB
vernon
>
>>
>> >Why don't we get someone to interview them. aaaaagh thats right there's
>> >a media blackout.
>>
>> And it is just so YOU wont find out.
>>
>> Anyone with a brain can get every single document or note by the U.S.
>> government except for secret and temporarily confidential information and
>> THAT NEVER has to do with hospital treatments or drugs unless there is an
>> enemy involvement.
>
> so what. it'll never show up in mass media. have you been paying
> attention.
>
You are attributing brains to the media. They are stupid. They are biased.
Biased is always stupid.
For them to appear intelligent enough to black out something, other than
circumstantial by spin, requires that one be even less intelligent than they
are. That's very low and quite difficult.
mogwaii
If your right thats a whole lotta stupid.
mogwaii
verging on mental retardation i would think. perhaps it's not Big
Pharama in these groups but the media. hmmm.
Mark Probert
What they were doing in Africa is using the populace as laboratory animals.
If you have the time, and can read, find a book entitled "The Ugly
American".
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0393318672/026-1650211-0266020
I would lend you my copy, but it would not survive shipping.
Mark Probert
Mark Probert
We'll defer to your expertise.
mogwaii
So this isn't true until it shows up on FOX? Seriously mark you may
want to broaden your horizons just a tad.
Radiation Burn Study Released
April 30, 2004
ALPINE, UT, April 30 - American Biotech Labs has released a thousand
bottle study from a US cancer care facility, using the ASAP Solution(R)
to treat radiation burns. The study found the product to be effective
in treating radiation and other burns.
Faster Recovery From The Burns
Radiation burns from cancer treatment are most commonly found in areas
of sensitivity including the groin, perineum, chest, breasts, and neck
etc. In the study, the ASAP Solution(R) delivered an instantaneous
cooling effect when sprayed on the burn. The product promoted faster
healing and reduced recovery time. When used prophylactically, the ASAP
Solution(R) delayed the onset of radiation-induced epidermitis and
mucusitis. In addition, the study reported that the product is
effective at treating other types of burns including chemotherapy and
fire or heat induced burns. The study is continuing.
No Adverse Effects
No adverse effects were found in the use of the product on burns. The
doctor noted: "Two-thirds of the patients rave about the product and
ask for more as long as the problem for which it is given exists!"
Unique Advantage
Because the product has been proven non-toxic, the ASAP product has a
strategic advantage over other burn care products. It can be used
orally to treat burns inside the mouth and throat, where other products
cannot be used.
What it All Means
Strategically, the company is positioning itself as a one-stop-shop for
national defense and on-site emergency care situations. The Solution
has already received two EPA disinfectant approvals, with the proven
ability to kill the deadliest bacteria that exist. With validation from
the new radiation burn and human wound care studies, not only can the
products be used to clean up infected sites, the same products can be
used to treat on-site victims of an attack or emergency.
Note: JML Health, Inc. owns and operates www.asapsolution.com and is
the exclusive distributor of ASAP products from American Biotech Labs.
Mark Probert
Who ever said that Fox is real news?
And, try real hard to understand what I write. I did not say what you claim.
mogwaii
Your saying Fox isn't *real news*? Perhaps you can enlighten us as to
what exactly *real news* is.
I'll try harder to understand you. first I gotta figure out this *real
news* thing.
vernon
"Mark Probert" <markp...@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
news:6q%Lf.12$ZR5...@fe10.lga...
> mogwaii wrote:
>>> As soon as it becomes *real news* it will. So far, it is just a yarn.
>>
>> So this isn't true until it shows up on FOX? Seriously mark you may
>> want to broaden your horizons just a tad.
>
> Who ever said that Fox is real news?
>
> And, try real hard to understand what I write. I did not say what you
> claim.
Well, we now know that sweets wants more government control (liberal).
To sweets FOX is conservative, not an entertainment channel.
What the world needs is another FDA overlooking the FDA.
vernon
TV is entertainment.
Yes, I know, over your head.
mogwaii
Mark Probert
You claimed, above, that I said that Fox is real news. I never said it.
However, it is one of the multiple of slants on the news.
Perhaps you can enlighten us as to
> what exactly *real news* is.
Being there.
> I'll try harder to understand you. first I gotta figure out this *real
> news* thing.
First you have to figure out that sales hype is not news, facts, or proof.
>
mogwaii
funny how we talk about the news instead of the truth. Sadly NOT the
same.
> Perhaps you can enlighten us as to
> > what exactly *real news* is.
>
> Being there.
>
> > I'll try harder to understand you. first I gotta figure out this *real
> > news* thing.
>
> First you have to figure out that sales hype is not news, facts, or proof.
>
>
it's about reading everything and figuring it for your self. Sadly you,
by your OWN sad pathetic words, are incapable of thinking for yourself.
Actual words of MP
mogwaii
Peter Bowditch
Could you clear something up for me?
If a company issues a media release promoting its products, is the media obliged to do a
story about it?
--
Peter Bowditch aa #2243
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To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com
Peter Bowditch
>
>"Mark Probert" <markp...@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
>news:6q%Lf.12$ZR5...@fe10.lga...
>> mogwaii wrote:
>>>> As soon as it becomes *real news* it will. So far, it is just a yarn.
>>>
>>> So this isn't true until it shows up on FOX? Seriously mark you may
>>> want to broaden your horizons just a tad.
>>
>> Who ever said that Fox is real news?
>>
>> And, try real hard to understand what I write. I did not say what you
>> claim.
>
>Well, we now know that sweets wants more government control (liberal).
You really don't know Rupert Murdoch, do you?
>To sweets FOX is conservative, not an entertainment channel.
>
>What the world needs is another FDA overlooking the FDA.
>
mogwaii
Peter Bowditch wrote:
> "mogwaii" <borger...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >funny how we talk about the news instead of the truth. Sadly NOT the
> >same.
> >
> >> Perhaps you can enlighten us as to
> >> > what exactly *real news* is.
> >
> >> Being there.
> >
> >> > I'll try harder to understand you. first I gotta figure out this *real
> >> > news* thing.
> >
> >> First you have to figure out that sales hype is not news, facts, or proof.
> >
> >it's about reading everything and figuring it for your self. Sadly you,
> >by your OWN sad pathetic words, are incapable of thinking for yourself.
> >
> >Actual words of MP
> >As soon as it becomes *real news* it will. So far, it is just a yarn.
>
> Could you clear something up for me?
>
> If a company issues a media release promoting its products, is the media obliged to do a
> story about it?
> --
If the Journal of Nanotechnology comes out with a story that silver
nanoparticles kill HIV is the media obliged to print that story?
Mark Probert
Sadly, the truth is that you have not proven your claims. Period.
>
>
>> Perhaps you can enlighten us as to
>>> what exactly *real news* is.
>> Being there.
>>
>>> I'll try harder to understand you. first I gotta figure out this *real
>>> news* thing.
>> First you have to figure out that sales hype is not news, facts, or proof.
>>
>>
>
> it's about reading everything and figuring it for your self. Sadly you,
> by your OWN sad pathetic words, are incapable of thinking for yourself.
Nope. Sorry. You are projecting.
>
>
> Actual words of MP
> As soon as it becomes *real news* it will. So far, it is just a yarn.
Correct. What you have posted is just a yarn, sales hype, unverifiable.
Mark Probert
No. Lots of things kill HIV. Household bleach. A hot day in the sun, for
all you know.
If it was shown that ingesting this killed HIV, then it would be news.
However, so far, that has NOT been done.
mogwaii
Ah but it has.
Products Developed To Kill Viruses And
Antibiotic Resistant Strains of Bacteria
In 1993 DEDI developed a particular mineral product which inhibited or
killed every form of virus, bacteria and fungi it was tested against.
Also review AIDS/HIV - Is There A Cure?, and Cancer - Is There A Cure
at the top of this page.
This specifically engineered silver mineral encompassed by a specific
protein was fully perfected by 1995 and proved lethal against
antibiotic resistant strains of bacteria, and every virus it came in
contact with, without any adverse side effects at all.
Although, DEDI had developed a rough form of this product in 1993,
which revealed the potential effectiveness; without the help of Dr.
Willie Burgdorfer of the National Institute of Health (NIH), the
product would never have been developed to its highest effectiveness.
With the information gained from Dr. Burgdorfer; DEDI redesigned the
mineral product to Dr. Burgdorfer's specifications, which now brought
forth a product which, at varying strengths, was deadly against
bacteria, viral and fungal infections.
The laboratory test results, animal test results and human trial
results, revealed the following regarding infectious diseases:
1. Very effective against AIDS/HIV
2. Very effective against Lyme Disease
3. Very effective against Hepatitis C
4. Very effective against Shingles
5. Very effective against Staphylococcus Aureus
6. Very effective against sinus infections
7. Very effective against ear infections
8. Very effective against acne, boils, rashes, lupus and burns.
9. Very effective against strep throat
10. Very effective against food poisoning
11. Very effective against fungal infections to include infections
under finger and toe nails
12. Very effective in promotion of healingwithout excess scarring
tissue remaining.
13. Possibly effective against leukemia, as tests were underway when
DEDI was forced out of business and the President imprisoned which were
revealing: That leukemia was not a cancer, but caused by some unknown
virus or bacteria. A doctor conducting trials upon 2 terminal leukemia
patients reported to DEDI that the white/red blood cells had normalized
in the two leukemia patients he was treating. After 3 months of
treatment they were off dialysis and were A-symptomatic.
Mark Probert
snip
> The Hospitals
>
> The first series of 58 trials was accomplished at three (3) hospitals
> in Ghana, West Africa. The three hospitals were: the Air Force Station
> Hospital under the direction of Dr. Kwabiah, The Korie-Bu Teaching
> Hospital under the direction of Dr. Sackey, and the Justab
> Clinic/Maternity under the direction of Dr. Abraham.
I like looking up things. The Internet is my home.
Since we are going out late tonight, I decided to take a look at the
hospitals that are mentioned here. Nothing like going straight to the
source.
I found:
http://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/health/hospitals.php
What is MOST strange is that those three hospitals are NOT on the list.
However, the phone book for Ghana lists the Korle Bu Teaching Hospital
in Ghana. I find it most curious that the sales hype actually misspelled
the name of one of the hospitals where the studies are being performed.
If they cannot get that right...
BTW, the other two hospitals appear to have unlisted phone numbers.
I cannot explain this, can you?
I also looked up the doctors:
Dr. Sackey
Address:
Principal Vet. Surgeon
70-5th Av. Ext. -Cantonments
Accra Telephone: 21) 400032
Types of Business: Veterinary Doctors
Veterinary Surgeons
I found only one Dr. Sackey.
Seems there is a credibility problem....
Hmmmmm????
Just for a laugh, I mention that even Ghana has its Herbalife critter:
Herbalife I.D.
East Airport
Accra Mobile: (024) 4250310
Mark Probert
You neglected to post the URL. Here it is:
http://www.discovery-experimental.com/home_page.htm
Do you really believe this guy? Where are the clinical trials and were
the results peer reviewed?
Keep trying. One day, you will understand what evidence is.
vernon
> ?????
Rich
> 13. Possibly effective against leukemia, as tests were underway when
> DEDI was forced out of business and the President imprisoned which were
> revealing: That leukemia was not a cancer, but caused by some unknown
> virus or bacteria. A doctor conducting trials upon 2 terminal leukemia
> patients reported to DEDI that the white/red blood cells had normalized
> in the two leukemia patients he was treating. After 3 months of
> treatment they were off dialysis and were A-symptomatic.
>
Hmmm. Why were they on dialysis? Dialysis is not a treatment for leukemia.
And why were these "tests" not published? Note that the DEDI president,
James T. Kimball, is NOT a doctor nor a scientist, and has no authority or
qualifications to be conducting medical research.
--
--Rich
Recommended websites:
http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
http://www.acahf.org.au
http://www.quackwatch.org/
http://www.skeptic.com/
http://www.csicop.org/
mogwaii
Rich wrote:
> "mogwaii" <borger...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1140909980.0...@t39g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
>
> > 13. Possibly effective against leukemia, as tests were underway when
> > DEDI was forced out of business and the President imprisoned which were
> > revealing: That leukemia was not a cancer, but caused by some unknown
> > virus or bacteria. A doctor conducting trials upon 2 terminal leukemia
> > patients reported to DEDI that the white/red blood cells had normalized
> > in the two leukemia patients he was treating. After 3 months of
> > treatment they were off dialysis and were A-symptomatic.
> >
>
> Hmmm. Why were they on dialysis? Dialysis is not a treatment for leukemia.
>
> And why were these "tests" not published? Note that the DEDI president,
> James T. Kimball, is NOT a doctor nor a scientist, and has no authority or
> qualifications to be conducting medical research.
> --
No he is not, thats why he received help from Dr. Burgdorfer
Although, DEDI had developed a rough form of this product in 1993,
which revealed the potential effectiveness; without the help of Dr.
Willie Burgdorfer of the National Institute of Health (NIH), the
product would never have been developed to its highest effectiveness.
With the information gained from Dr. Burgdorfer; DEDI redesigned the
mineral product to Dr. Burgdorfer's specifications, which now brought
forth a product which, at varying strengths, was deadly against
bacteria, viral and fungal infections.
Then Kimbal was thrown in prison and NOTHING else was ever heard about
it..
Thomas Jefferson - 3rd President of the United States - 1743-1826:
"Experience hath shown, that even under the best forms of
government
those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow
operation, perverted
it into tyranny"
http://discovery-experimental.com/declaration_of_james_t_kimball.htm
mogwaii
The product has already been approved by the country of Ghana West
Africa as an alternative to antibiotics, based on their own human
studies.
http://www.cliftonmining.com/ablsum.htm
Are you telling me this is a lie?
Peter Bowditch
As the hospitals don't seem to exist and the researcher seems to be a vet, I suppose he is
telling you that it is a lie.
Why would hospitals have unlisted telephone numbers?
Peter Bowditch
If my local AIDS prevention organisation advises drug users that household bleach kills
HIV even better than silver, that's news. But, of course, no newspaper would print that
because you can't patent bleach.
See http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/history/2005/bugs.wav
mogwaii
http://wwwc.house.gov/international_relations/109/moe042605.pdf.
Presented to Members of The House International Relations Committee
Subcommittee on Africa, Global Human Rights, and International
Operations in writing.
If it's a lie he sure sold an entire country and our VA a bill of
goods.
or yall are full of shit.
mogwaii
Peter Bowditch wrote:
> "mogwaii" <borger...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >Peter Bowditch wrote:
> >> "mogwaii" <borger...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >funny how we talk about the news instead of the truth. Sadly NOT the
> >> >same.
> >> >
> >> >> Perhaps you can enlighten us as to
> >> >> > what exactly *real news* is.
> >> >
> >> >> Being there.
> >> >
> >> >> > I'll try harder to understand you. first I gotta figure out this *real
> >> >> > news* thing.
> >> >
> >> >> First you have to figure out that sales hype is not news, facts, or proof.
> >> >
> >> >it's about reading everything and figuring it for your self. Sadly you,
> >> >by your OWN sad pathetic words, are incapable of thinking for yourself.
> >> >
> >> >Actual words of MP
> >> >As soon as it becomes *real news* it will. So far, it is just a yarn.
> >>
> >> Could you clear something up for me?
> >>
> >> If a company issues a media release promoting its products, is the media obliged to do a
> >> story about it?
> >> --
> >
> >If the Journal of Nanotechnology comes out with a story that silver
> >nanoparticles kill HIV is the media obliged to print that story?
>
> If my local AIDS prevention organisation advises drug users that household bleach kills
> HIV even better than silver, that's news.
No it's not. Bleach is toxic whereas silver is not.
>But, of course, no newspaper would print that
> because you can't patent bleach.
>
and because it's toxic. try making a point next time.
Peter Bowditch
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>
>Presented to Members of The House International Relations Committee
>Subcommittee on Africa, Global Human Rights, and International
>Operations in writing.
>
>If it's a lie he sure sold an entire country and our VA a bill of
>goods.
>or yall are full of shit.
Yep. It's a lie. Are you saying that anything said before a congressional committee must
be true?
Peter Bowditch
Perhaps you might like to reread your last line before suggesting that someone else makes
a point.
I realise that dunderheads like you have difficulty with abstraction (which is why you
think that press releases equate to publication of scientific research), but the point I
was making is that the newspapers gave great coverage to the story about bleach killing
HIV because it was NEWS. I am sorry if sarcasm and hyperbole are beyond your ken.
vernon
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