Don Imus: "We're making tremendous progress"
awthrawthr
Imus: You know, I eat these habaneros peppers every day. Do you know
what a habaneros pepper is?...okay, it's the hottest pepper on the
planet...they are so hot...you know, I eat two or three of them every
day....they kill cancer cells.
Shieffer: How are you doing with that?
Imus: You know, actually the early indications are that we're making
tremendous progress with a completely holistic approach.
"We're making tremendous progress" - those are Imus's words.
On his morning broadcast on Wednseday Imus revealed that his pSA-3
score has dropped from 200 to 59. Previously, his c-reactive protein
and SED rate had dropped from "extremely high" to zero.
Here is the recording from his show which might remain archived for
one week:
http://www.wabcradio.com/Article.asp?id=1353288&spid=22807
Some folks have claimed I make up fictitious people. They can go
listen for themselves.
kaypeeoh
This is the third instance I've read of someone with prostate disease
using habaneros. But a search of medline and google scholar showed no
papers published that show burning your lips off can cure prostate
cancer.
kpo
Jan Drew
"kaypeeoh" <kevin...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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kpo
Source: Reuters
WASHINGTON, March 15 (Reuters) - 16 Mar 2006 00:33:22 GMT - Capsaicin, which
makes peppers hot, can cause prostate cancer cells to kill themselves, U.S.
and Japanese researchers said on Wednesday. Capsaicin led 80 percent of
human prostate cancer cells growing in mice to commit suicide in a process
known as apoptosis, the researchers said. Prostate cancer tumors in mice fed
capsaicin were about one-fifth the size of tumors in untreated mice, they
reported in the journal Cancer Research.
"Capsaicin had a profound anti-proliferative effect on human prostate cancer
cells in culture," said Dr. Soren Lehmann of the Cedars-Sinai Medical Center
and the University of California Los Angeles School of Medicine. "It also
dramatically slowed the development of prostate tumors formed by those human
cell lines grown in mouse models."
While it is far easier to cure cancer in mice infected with human tumors
than it is in human beings, the findings suggest a possible future
treatment. They also may offer a good excuse for men who like spicy food to
eat more of it. Lehmann estimated that the mice ate the human equivalent of
400 milligrams of capsaicin three times a week. That is about the amount
found in three to eight fresh habanero peppers, depending on how hot the
peppers are.
The capsaicin inhibited the activity of NF-kappa beta, a molecular mechanism
that helps lead to apoptosis in many cell types. Prostate cancer is the most
common malignant cancer in U.S. men. It is diagnosed in 232,000 men every
year and kills up to 30,000 of them. Worldwide, 221,000 men die every year
from prostate cancer.
awthrawthr
> In article
> <88147287-3b03-4644-a8e1-3ade7f5ec...@r33g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
> just feels like giving up altogether.
> --
>
> "What we've got here is failure to communicate"
>
> "The Captain"- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Don Imus is having his case overseen by two of the top urologists in
the US, according to Don's own words in the audio. One is at Columbia
University and the other is at UCLA. They are the ones who have
conducted the tests such as the c-reacive protein and SED rates which
are now zero, and the PSA-3 urinalysis which is moving dramatically in
the right direction, down from 200 to now 59.
In other words, the physicians are observing and charting his cure -
my cure - instead of causing his demise.
Paul T. Holland
dbu' wrote:
> In article
> <88147287-3b03-4644...@r33g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
> Don really needs to see a doctor and get that treated soon, unless he
> just feels like giving up altogether.
he has been, and continues to to receive, treatment(s) per his doctor(s)
advice.
awthrawthr
wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
If you listen to the audio, you will hear Imus state, "You know,
actually the early indications are that we're making tremendous
progress with a COMPLETELY holistic approach."
The doctors' ONLY role has been to monitor his improvement through
various tests. He has received NO TREATMENT from the doctors. In that
regardin Imus is like Chuck Kinsey, who also received NO MEDICAL
TREATMENTS. He had boipsies before and after and various bloodwork in
between.
His first biopsy was a Gleason 6 (3+3). His second biopsy found no
malaignancy. One of the doctors wrote "Wow" on the biopsy report.
In other words, Imus (Gleason 7) is on his way to becoming the second
cured prostate cancer case without accepting ANY medical treatment
using my recipe. In fact, he is only the second prostate cancer
patient I am aware of who has tried my recipe.
Let me take that back. When I was still working, I knew a man whose
father had prostate cancer. His PSA dropped from around 8+ to 4. I
retired and didn't keep in touch. But I have little doubt the outcome
was like Chuck's and Don's.
madiba
> While it is far easier to cure cancer in mice infected with human tumors
> than it is in human beings, the findings suggest a possible future
> treatment. They also may offer a good excuse for men who like spicy food to
> eat more of it. Lehmann estimated that the mice ate the human equivalent of
> 400 milligrams of capsaicin three times a week. That is about the amount
> found in three to eight fresh habanero peppers, depending on how hot the
> peppers are.
>
> The capsaicin inhibited the activity of NF-kappa beta, a molecular mechanism
> that helps lead to apoptosis in many cell types. Prostate cancer is the most
> common malignant cancer in U.S. men. It is diagnosed in 232,000 men every
> year and kills up to 30,000 of them. Worldwide, 221,000 men die every year
> from prostate cancer.
So now they eat dozens of habaneros for months or years, and get
esophageal cancer as a 'bonus'! No thanks, prostate cancer is easier to
treat.
--
madiba
awthrawthr
You'll be happy to know that I suggest eating only one pepper a
day...although Imus is eating two to three a day...and stopping when
they are no longer needed.
I would not eat habaneros very often if I was cancer free because some
herbs are for healing while others are for maintaining and
strengthening. Otherwise the nerves might get overused from the
peppers, become numb or worse. So they would stop working as to their
intended purpose.
I'd rather have the habs available for use when they are needed. Much
milder peppers would be okay for more regular use. In places without
refrigeration, they also serve a purpose in helping preserve the food.
Let me repeat habaneros are NOT an everyday food at all and I would
only eat them rarely if at all, unless I were sick and needed them to
get well. Once well. I'd stop eating them.
Paul T. Holland
"Holism is primarily associated with healing processes and advocates
patient-centered medicine in which the physician treats the person as a
whole being, rather than focusing on a set of symptoms. It promotes
preventative medicine by maintaining the health of all aspects of the
self�physical, mental, emotional, spiritual. Generally, however,
holistic medicine is simply a generic phrase referring to a variety of
healing practices, some beneficial and some questionable."
>
> The doctors' ONLY role has been to monitor his improvement through
> various tests. He has received NO TREATMENT from the doctors.
provide verifiable citations for this assertion
Mark Probert
Depends on where your lips are.
Happy Oyster
Hi, madiba, I several times tried to contact you. How can I send you an email?
Thank you,
Aribert Deckers
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http://www.reimbibel.de
awthrawthr
> holistic medicine is simply a generic phrase referring to a variety of
> healing practices, some beneficial and some questionable."
You hang onto that sliver of nonsense if it makes you happy.
Don and Deirdre Imus are totally into orgainic food, etc. He wouldn't
have used the word comletely if he meant he as doing something else,
which he mentioned in this case was radiation, which he SAID he was
refusing.
He also SAID his doctors were hysterical about the course of treatment
he had decided on which is my recipe. Do you think they would have
been hysterical if he was combining it with THEIR treatment??
What in the hell would they care if he wanted to eat a pepper and a
couple cloves of garlic while they were treating him with any of their
methods. They could care less. The only thing that would make them
hysterical would be for him to exclude ALL of their treatments.
> > The doctors' ONLY role has been to monitor his improvement through
> > various tests. He has received NO TREATMENT from the doctors.
>
> provide verifiable citations for this assertion
Listen to the audio of Don Imus's own words...it's all there. There
would be no documents of methods NOT used.
>
>
>
> >In that
> > regardin Imus is like Chuck Kinsey, who also received NO MEDICAL
> > TREATMENTS. He had boipsies before and after and various bloodwork in
> > between.
>
> > His first biopsy was a Gleason 6 (3+3). His second biopsy found no
> > malaignancy. One of the doctors wrote "Wow" on the biopsy report.
>
> > In other words, Imus (Gleason 7) is on his way to becoming the second
> > cured prostate cancer case without accepting ANY medical treatment
> > using my recipe. In fact, he is only the second prostate cancer
> > patient I am aware of who has tried my recipe.
>
> > Let me take that back. When I was still working, I knew a man whose
> > father had prostate cancer. His PSA dropped from around 8+ to 4. I
> > retired and didn't keep in touch. But I have little doubt the outcome
> > was like Chuck's and Don's.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
J
> On Jun 4, 5:42 pm, "Paul T. Holland" <pholl...@bellatlantic.net>
> wrote:
>
> > he has been, and continues to to receive, treatment(s) per his doctor(s)
> > advice.- Hide quoted text -
>
> If you listen to the audio, you will hear Imus state, "You know,
> actually the early indications are that we're making tremendous
> progress with a COMPLETELY holistic approach."
>
> The doctors' ONLY role has been to monitor his improvement through
> various tests. He has received NO TREATMENT from the doctors. In that
> regardin Imus is like Chuck Kinsey, who also received NO MEDICAL
> TREATMENTS. He had boipsies before and after and various bloodwork in
> between.
>
> His first biopsy was a Gleason 6 (3+3). His second biopsy found no
> malaignancy. One of the doctors wrote "Wow" on the biopsy report.
>
> In other words, Imus (Gleason 7) is on his way to becoming the second
> cured prostate cancer case without accepting ANY medical treatment
> using my recipe. In fact, he is only the second prostate cancer
> patient I am aware of who has tried my recipe.
>
> Let me take that back. When I was still working, I knew a man whose
> father had prostate cancer. His PSA dropped from around 8+ to 4. I
> retired and didn't keep in touch. But I have little doubt the outcome
> was like Chuck's and Don's.
News items say Gleason 6 (3+3) - low grade cancer.
Biopsies can miss. You'd know that if you were paying attention on the
prostate cancer newsgroup.
He'll be 69 in July. He looks awful here (like poor lung function); but looks
like he has something to sell.
So loves the publicity.
<
http://www.nypost.com/seven/03172009/news/regionalnews/imus_in_cancer_shocker_159960.htm
>
Regarding poor lung function
http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Imus,_Don
"1994 Imus suffered a serious health problem that led to a collapsed lung and
surgery."
<
http://www.nydailynews.com/lifestyle/health/2009/03/16/2009-03-16_some_good_news_for_don_imus_doctors_diag.html
>
Once the PSA level is known, treatment could range from "watchful
surveillance" to radiation treatments to an operation in which the prostate
would be removed, Ennis says. Sometimes a combination of treatments is used.
"The appropriate treatment can spread all across the spectrum," he says,
adding that Imus is at "a pretty typical age" to be diagnosed with prostate
cancer.
The average age at which men develop prostate cancer is 70, Ennis says, and
after the age of 70 or 71, the risks associated with surgery grow. "Surgery
has more side effects so a lot of people shy away from it because of
incontinence and sexual problems," he says.
Though it may horrify men to learn, many of them may already have prostate
cancer that is never going to harm them, Gomella says.
"They have what are known as autopsy cancers," he says. "More men probably die
with prostate cancer than of prostate cancer. It is one of the only cancers
that people develop if they live long enough.
"Every man who lives to be 90 has a spot of cancer in his prostate," says
Gomella. "Our challenge is to find the men who early in life are developing
the more aggressive cancers that are likely to harm them."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,509347,00.html
"He noted that doctors seemed reluctant to talk about one of his big worries:
What prostate cancer treatment will mean for his sex life."
CRP and SED rate measure inflammation.
So if a pepper /day helps his prostatitis, fine by me.
Just don't trick yourselves into believing his cancer is gone.
J
Andre
promote his book with this nonsense ? Just wait and see, it won't take
long.
Rod
not written by you.
Cheers, rod
"awthrawthr" <awthr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Mark Probert
>
>
>
> Regarding poor lung functionhttp://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Imus,_Don
> "1994 Imus suffered a serious health problem that led to a collapsed lung and
> surgery."
>
>
> Once the PSA level is known, treatment could range from "watchful
> surveillance" to radiation treatments to an operation in which the prostate
> would be removed, Ennis says. Sometimes a combination of treatments is used.
>
> "The appropriate treatment can spread all across the spectrum," he says,
> adding that Imus is at "a pretty typical age" to be diagnosed with prostate
> cancer.
>
> The average age at which men develop prostate cancer is 70, Ennis says, and
> after the age of 70 or 71, the risks associated with surgery grow. "Surgery
> has more side effects so a lot of people shy away from it because of
> incontinence and sexual problems," he says.
>
> Though it may horrify men to learn, many of them may already have prostate
> cancer that is never going to harm them, Gomella says.
>
> "They have what are known as autopsy cancers," he says. "More men probably die
> with prostate cancer than of prostate cancer. It is one of the only cancers
> that people develop if they live long enough.
>
> "Every man who lives to be 90 has a spot of cancer in his prostate," says
> Gomella. "Our challenge is to find the men who early in life are developing
> the more aggressive cancers that are likely to harm them."
>
> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,509347,00.html
> "He noted that doctors seemed reluctant to talk about one of his big worries:
> What prostate cancer treatment will mean for his sex life."
>
> CRP and SED rate measure inflammation.
> So if a pepper /day helps his prostatitis, fine by me.
> Just don't trick yourselves into believing his cancer is gone.
>
> - Show quoted text -
Nice post, good information.
Getting medical advice on prostate cancer from Don Imus is like
getting vaccine advice from his wife and/or Jenny McCarthy.
KevysMom
And you would be an expert on medical advice, Why?
> getting vaccine advice from his wife and/or Jenny McCarthy.- Hide quoted text -
Steve Kramer
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:
: "kaypeeoh" <kevin...@gmail.com> wrote in message
:
:
:
:
:
Steve Kramer
many details into Imus's treatment.
BEWARE OF FRAUDS.
"awthrawthr" <awthr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Don Imus is having his case overseen - OVERSEEN? - by two of the top
urologists - SURGEONS? - in
the US, according to Don's own words in the audio. One is at Columbia
University and the other is at UCLA - I DON'T KNOW OF ANY 'TOP' UROS IN
THESE SCHOOLS -. They are the ones who have
conducted the tests such as the c-reacive protein and SED rates which
are now zero, and the PSA-3 urinalysis which is moving dramatically in
the right direction, down from 200 to now 59. - URNINALISYS?!?!? AND I
KEEP GETTING STUCK WITH A NEEDLE!!!
In other words, the physicians are observing and charting his cure -
my cure - instead of causing his demise. LIES, LIES, LIES.
Steve Kramer
I.P. Freely
Many of us are smart enough to just PLONK this arwshthrawrwartrr fool,
and don't want to watch him being fed.
awthrawthr
>
>
>
> Regarding poor lung functionhttp://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Imus,_Don
> "1994 Imus suffered a serious health problem that led to a collapsed lung and
> surgery."
>
>
> Once the PSA level is known, treatment could range from "watchful
> surveillance" to radiation treatments to an operation in which the prostate
> would be removed, Ennis says. Sometimes a combination of treatments is used.
>
> "The appropriate treatment can spread all across the spectrum," he says,
> adding that Imus is at "a pretty typical age" to be diagnosed with prostate
> cancer.
>
> The average age at which men develop prostate cancer is 70, Ennis says, and
> after the age of 70 or 71, the risks associated with surgery grow. "Surgery
> has more side effects so a lot of people shy away from it because of
> incontinence and sexual problems," he says.
>
> Though it may horrify men to learn, many of them may already have prostate
> cancer that is never going to harm them, Gomella says.
>
> "They have what are known as autopsy cancers," he says. "More men probably die
> with prostate cancer than of prostate cancer. It is one of the only cancers
> that people develop if they live long enough.
>
> "Every man who lives to be 90 has a spot of cancer in his prostate," says
> Gomella. "Our challenge is to find the men who early in life are developing
> the more aggressive cancers that are likely to harm them."
>
> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,509347,00.html
> "He noted that doctors seemed reluctant to talk about one of his big worries:
> What prostate cancer treatment will mean for his sex life."
>
> CRP and SED rate measure inflammation.
> So if a pepper /day helps his prostatitis, fine by me.
> Just don't trick yourselves into believing his cancer is gone.
>
> - Show quoted text -
A Gleason 6 (3+3) is a medium grade prostate cancer. His urologist was
apparently wanting to do radiation based on his comments he made 2-3
days ago. If his doctor had wanted to do watchful waiting, he wouldn't
have been hysterical about Imus's decision to do watchful waiting.
Imus doesn't look good in that phhoto taken within a day or two of his
revealing his cancer. The combination of an old lung problem and a new
diagnosis probably didn't help any.
I haven't seen a photo of him since then. It would be intereting to
compare the difference.
awthrawthr
>
> - Show quoted text -
Imus wasn't giving medical advice. Nor am I. I'm reporting his
progress while he follows my recipe.
Everything so far indicates he's doing much better. His inflammation
is down to zero although it had been extremely high. And now his PSA-3
is down 70%.
He is using no medical treatment...and he appears to be following in
the footsteps of Chuck Kinsey who is now cancer free following the
same recipe.
awthrawthr
I am the author of a book. My recipe was developed by me based in part
from what I learned while conducting research for the book. My recipe
is free. I don't even collect email addresses in return for the
recipe.
IOW, while my book is doing quite well more than a decade after its
original publication, and I don't apologize for its continued success,
the recipe stands on its own.
awthrawthr
> Scum Bag, Kelly Eidem, stop posting crap in order to sell books that were
> not written by you.
Wow, that is a new approach - you think I'm selling a book I didn't
write. ROFL!
One never knows who is sitting at the computer on the oother end, Rod.
But we've just gotten a better picture of whom you are.
>
> Cheers, rod"awthrawthr" <awthraw...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:88147287-3b03-4644...@r33g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > Here is what Imus told his guest CBS newsman Bob Schieffer:
>
> > Imus: You know, I eat these habaneros peppers every day. Do you know
> > what a habaneros pepper is?...okay, it's the hottest pepper on the
> > planet...they are so hot...you know, I eat two or three of them every
> > day....they kill cancer cells.
>
> > Shieffer: How are you doing with that?
>
> > Imus: You know, actually the early indications are that we're making
> > tremendous progress with a completely holistic approach.
>
> > "We're making tremendous progress" - those are Imus's words.
>
> > On his morning broadcast on Wednseday Imus revealed that his pSA-3
> > score has dropped from 200 to 59. Previously, his c-reactive protein
> > and SED rate had dropped from "extremely high" to zero.
>
> > Here is the recording from his show which might remain archived for
> > one week:
>
> >http://www.wabcradio.com/Article.asp?id=1353288&spid=22807
>
> > Some folks have claimed I make up fictitious people. They can go
> > listen for themselves.- Hide quoted text -
madiba
> On Fri, 5 Jun 2009 01:05:54 +0200, do...@thekraal.com (madiba) wrote:
>
> Hi, madiba, I several times tried to contact you. How can I send you an email?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Aribert Deckers
> -----
> http://www.todessekte.de
I stopped using my real email adress in usenet years ago, its helped
reduce the spam.
--
madiba
Andre
or hairloss. The problem is some people might be tempted to believe that it
really works, although the writer has no medical background, or worse, no
proof at all that it works.
I personally have found the perfect way to avoid prostate cancer. Find a
high rise building and jump from the top. Even better : this theory has been
proven. When comparing 300 men who jumped from a building to 300 who did
not jump, the last group had a 30 % bigger risk of having cancer. There was
also a strong correlation with the height of the building, 30 floors being
substantially better than 4 floors.
I will be doing research to see if the same rate of success applies to hair
loss and am recruiting jumper candidates.
Steve Kramer
news:dkrWl.14903$gk1....@newsfe13.ams2...
: I personally have found the perfect way to avoid prostate cancer. Find a
: high rise building and jump from the top. Even better : this theory has
been
: proven. When comparing 300 men who jumped from a building to 300 who did
: not jump, the last group had a 30 % bigger risk of having cancer. There
was
: also a strong correlation with the height of the building, 30 floors being
: substantially better than 4 floors.
You have really thought this one out. From many four-floor buildings, one
would not reach terminal velocity before hitting the sidewalk. You have to
fall about 45 feet to reach terminal velocity and even that would not assure
a prostate cure. I think 30 is a very good number.
--
PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins
PSA <.1 <.1 <.1 .27 .37 .75 PSAD 0.19 years
EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
PSA .34 .22 .15 .21 .32 PSAD .056 years
Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 and every 4 months there after
PSA .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132 .145 PSAD 1.4 years
Casodex added daily 07/06
PSA undetectable since, < 0.04 on 10/09/08
Illegitimati non carborundum
Happy Oyster
Sure, understand. Happy.Oyster once worked, before some idiot spoiled it. So,
since then happy.oyster leads to dev/nul.
Use madiba0...@ariplex.com to reach me. In some days I will take it off
again. No chance for spammers. ;O)
Have a nice weekend
Aribert Deckers
Bodie
*rofl*
Nothing funny about Prostate Cancer atall.
--
"Certainly there is no hunting like the hunting of man and those who have
hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never really care for anything
else thereafter. You will meet them doing various things with resolve, but
their interest rarely holds because after the other thing ordinary life is
as flat as the taste of wine when the taste buds have been burned off your
tongue."
Hemingway.
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awthrawthr
> Amazing how your name never came up in any news article that I've seen, nor
> many details into Imus's treatment.
What is amazing is the level of denial you are willing to adopt. I
have all the email communications between myself and Deirdre Imus
including the one where she informed me that she was the author of 4
bestselling books.
It's apparent that the Imus's want to capitalize on my help. So at the
appropriate time I will send out a press release to expose their
little plan.
>
> BEWARE OF FRAUDS.
>
> "awthrawthr" <awthraw...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:3d45fc68-8f5d-4815...@k2g2000yql.googlegroups.com...
>
> Don Imus is having his case overseen - OVERSEEN? - by two of the top
> urologists - SURGEONS? - in
> the US, according to Don's own words in the audio. One is at Columbia
> University and the other is at UCLA - I DON'T KNOW OF ANY 'TOP' UROS IN
> THESE SCHOOLS -. They are the ones who have
> conducted the tests such as the c-reacive protein and SED rates which
> are now zero, and the PSA-3 urinalysis which is moving dramatically in
> the right direction, down from 200 to now 59. - URNINALISYS?!?!? AND I
> KEEP GETTING STUCK WITH A NEEDLE!!!
Your doctor apparently isn't up to speed...and neither are you. A
simple Google of psa-3 would have prevented your embarrassment. Your
lack of awareness of this urine test calls into question your
declaration that there are no top urologists at UCLA (ROFL) or
Columbia. The PSA-3 urine test is more than twice as accurate as the
old PSA blood test.
>
> In other words, the physicians are observing and charting his cure -
> my cure - instead of causing his demise. LIES, LIES, LIES.
Just because you make an unfounded accusation doesn't make it true.
The recording is clear. You just don't like the facts as they are. But
facts are stubborn things.
Jan Drew
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> Please don't cross post.
I didn't. See the original poster.
Jan Drew
I must have missed that. Neither did I believe he is a scum bag.
Jan
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Happy Oyster
>Reply-To: "Jan Drew" <jdre...@sbcglobal.net>
>From: "Jan Drew" <jdre...@sbcglobal.net>
>Newsgroups: sci.med.diseases.cancer,misc.health.alternative
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>In-Reply-To: <h0ba3m$7cu$2...@news.eternal-september.org>
>Subject: Re: Don Imus: "We're making tremendous progress"
>Message-ID: <WpFWl.31225$Ws1....@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com>
>NNTP-Posting-Host: 70.239.92.215
>"Steve Kramer" <skr...@cinci.rr.com> wrote in message
>news:h0ba3m$7cu$2...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Please don't cross post.
>
>I didn't. See the original poster.
That is a lie.
Here is the proof:
<quote>
Reply-To: "Jan Drew" <jdre...@sbcglobal.net>
From: "Jan Drew" <jdre...@sbcglobal.net>
Newsgroups:
sci.med.diseases.cancer,misc.health.alternative,alt.support.cancer.prostate
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References: <88147287-3b03-4644...@r33g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>
<106620b0-a606-4c7f...@g20g2000vba.googlegroups.com>
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Subject: Re: Don Imus: "We're making tremendous progress"
</quote>
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F�r eine wehrhafte Medizin!
awthrawthr
> On Sat, 6 Jun 2009 22:16:15 -0400, "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >Reply-To: "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net>
> >From: "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net>
> >Newsgroups: sci.med.diseases.cancer,misc.health.alternative
>
> *************************************************************
>
> >References: <88147287-3b03-4644-a8e1-3ade7f5ec...@r33g2000yqn.googlegroups.com> <106620b0-a606-4c7f-ab53-5c095c0db...@g20g2000vba.googlegroups.com> <0_XVl.12409$im1.12...@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com> <h0ba3m$7c...@news.eternal-september.org>
> >In-Reply-To: <h0ba3m$7c...@news.eternal-september.org>
> >Subject: Re: Don Imus: "We're making tremendous progress"
> >NNTP-Posting-Host: 70.239.92.215
> >"Steve Kramer" <skra...@cinci.rr.com> wrote in message
> >news:h0ba3m$7cu$2...@news.eternal-september.org...
> >> Please don't cross post.
>
> >I didn't. See the original poster.
>
> That is a lie.
>
> Here is the proof:
I am the original poster of this thread. I posted to 3 highly relevant
groups:
sci.med.diseases.cancer,
misc.health.alternative, and
alt.support.cancer.prostate
If someone removed one of those three highly relevant from the list,
they have a personal agenda commonly known as censorship.
Jan's message posted to the same three groups. She did not lie. You
did.
>
> <quote>
> Reply-To: "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net>
> From: "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net>
> Newsgroups:
> sci.med.diseases.cancer,misc.health.alternative,alt.support.cancer.prostate
> ***************************************************************************
> References: <88147287-3b03-4644...@r33g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>
> <106620b0-a606-4c7f-ab53-5c095c0db...@g20g2000vba.googlegroups.com>
> In-Reply-To: <106620b0-a606-4c7f...@g20g2000vba.googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Don Imus: "We're making tremendous progress"
> </quote>
>
> --
> Für eine wehrhafte Medizin!
>
> http://wehrhafte.medizin.se
Steve Kramer
On Jun 5, 9:34 am, "Steve Kramer" <skra...@cinci.rr.com> wrote:
> Amazing how your name never came up in any news article that I've seen,
> nor
> many details into Imus's treatment.
What is amazing is the level of denial you are willing to adopt. I
have all the email communications between myself and Deirdre Imus
including the one where she informed me that she was the author of 4
bestselling books.
==> It is not denial. I loath crooks and liars, but more so those who
would try to steer men away from life-saving or life-sustaining treatments
in order to fill their pockets.
awthrawthr
> "awthrawthr" <awthraw...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:cf9fedc1-aef4-4742...@z5g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 5, 9:34 am, "Steve Kramer" <skra...@cinci.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > Amazing how your name never came up in any news article that I've seen,
> > nor
> > many details into Imus's treatment.
>
> What is amazing is the level of denial you are willing to adopt. I
> have all the email communications between myself and Deirdre Imus
> including the one where she informed me that she was the author of 4
> bestselling books.
>
> ==> It is not denial. I loath crooks and liars,
In that case, you hate yourself.
but more so those who
> would try to steer men away from life-saving or life-sustaining treatments
Name one life saving treatment you are fond of...it has killed
thousands if not hundreds of thousands. You are so psychologically
wedded to nonsense that you have no clue as to what is good or bad.
Maybe you were scarred by your own choices, and it's too hard to admit
that you made a mistake. I've seen plenty of people who have gone
through the crap you think so highly of. In almost every case, they
age 10 years in the process of their ersatz 'cure.' That's not a cure
- it's mere survival. Some don't merely age - they are killed.
My cure can make a person feel younger and more energized WHILE they
follow the recipe. Yours kill and maim...make you puke your guts
out...loosen your teeth...crap your pajamas...pee in your
diapers...shall I go on? And yet you support this bizarre cruelty as
if it gives you a badge of merit.
It doesn't. After 90 years of this crap, if you still believe in it,
it makes you a fool, a stubborn fool.
> in order to fill their pockets.
Listen up, moron...and you are a moron because you need to be told so
many times...my recipe is FREE. I have posted it in this newsgroup
more than once. Maybe I should call you a liar because you KNOW my
recipe is FREE and yet you continue to make the same false charges.
Chuck didn't pay me a penny for the recipe. Jack didn't pay me a penny
for the recipe. Don Imus didn't pay me a penny for the recipe.
I wonder, do radiaoactive pellets, surgery or chemo make you so
ignorant that you can't remember my recpe is FREE!
Mark Probert
> "awthrawthr" <awthraw...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:cf9fedc1-aef4-4742...@z5g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 5, 9:34 am, "Steve Kramer" <skra...@cinci.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > Amazing how your name never came up in any news article that I've seen,
> > nor
> > many details into Imus's treatment.
>
> What is amazing is the level of denial you are willing to adopt. I
> have all the email communications between myself and Deirdre Imus
> including the one where she informed me that she was the author of 4
> bestselling books.
Diedre Imus is an idiot. Period. Any schmuck can write a book.
Peter Bowditch
>On Jun 7, 2:39�pm, "Steve Kramer" <skra...@cinci.rr.com> wrote:
>> "awthrawthr" <awthraw...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:cf9fedc1-aef4-4742...@z5g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jun 5, 9:34 am, "Steve Kramer" <skra...@cinci.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Amazing how your name never came up in any news article that I've seen,
>> > nor
>> > many details into Imus's treatment.
>>
>> What is amazing is the level of denial you are willing to adopt. I
>> have all the email communications between myself and Deirdre Imus
>> including the one where she informed me that she was the author of 4
>> bestselling books.
>
>Diedre Imus is an idiot. Period. Any schmuck can write a book.
I've only written one book, but it was the biggest-selling non-fiction
book in Australia by far in the year it came out. I now expect much
more respect from quackery promoters due to my bestselling status.
>
>>
>> ==> �It is not denial. �I loath crooks and liars, but more so those who
>> would try to steer men away from life-saving or life-sustaining treatments
>> in order to fill their pockets.
--
Peter Bowditch aa #2243
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au
Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com
awthrawthr
> On Jun 7, 2:39 pm, "Steve Kramer" <skra...@cinci.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > "awthrawthr" <awthraw...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:cf9fedc1-aef4-4742...@z5g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
> > On Jun 5, 9:34 am, "Steve Kramer" <skra...@cinci.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > > Amazing how your name never came up in any news article that I've seen,
> > > nor
> > > many details into Imus's treatment.
>
> > What is amazing is the level of denial you are willing to adopt. I
> > have all the email communications between myself and Deirdre Imus
> > including the one where she informed me that she was the author of 4
> > bestselling books.
>
> Diedre Imus is an idiot. Period.
I'm no fan of her or her husband.
Any schmuck can write a book.
>
>
>
>
>
> > ==> It is not denial. I loath crooks and liars, but more so those who
> > would try to steer men away from life-saving or life-sustaining treatments
> > in order to fill their pockets.- Hide quoted text -
Jan Drew
Thank you. The Oyster is following most all of my posts.
He posts have always been lies.
>
> <quote>
> Reply-To: "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net>
> From: "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net>
> Newsgroups:
> sci.med.diseases.cancer,misc.health.alternative,alt.support.cancer.prostate
> ***************************************************************************
> References:
> <88147287-3b03-4644...@r33g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>
> <106620b0-a606-4c7f-ab53-5c095c0db...@g20g2000vba.googlegroups.com>
> In-Reply-To:
> <106620b0-a606-4c7f...@g20g2000vba.googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Don Imus: "We're making tremendous progress"
> </quote>
>
> --
> F�r eine wehrhafte Medizin!
>
> http://wehrhafte.medizin.se
Jan Drew
On Jun 7, 2:39 pm, "Steve Kramer" <skra...@cinci.rr.com> wrote:
> "awthrawthr" <awthraw...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:cf9fedc1-aef4-4742...@z5g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 5, 9:34 am, "Steve Kramer" <skra...@cinci.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > Amazing how your name never came up in any news article that I've seen,
> > nor
> > many details into Imus's treatment.
>
> What is amazing is the level of denial you are willing to adopt. I
> have all the email communications between myself and Deirdre Imus
> including the one where she informed me that she was the author of 4
> bestselling books.
Diedre Imus is an idiot. Period. Any schmuck can write a book.
Could you please show us in Torah where the word *idiot* is approved of?
Where is your book? Has he been disbarred?
awthrawthr
> On 2009-06-07, awthrawthr <awthraw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Here is the thing that really pisses you off. With Imus getting well,
> > it will mean the beginning of a new day for how cancer is treated.
>
> You are so wrong here. I would be delighted beyond words if the solution
> to cancer was a simple as you contend. I would love for you to be right.
You will have no control of how listeners to Imus's show apply what
they find out. So it will be THE BEGINNING of a new day for how cancer
is treated. Word will continue to spread because my method works
extremely well.
We are undoing the Gordion Knot. Word of mouth is the sword that will
undo the knot.
>
> I'm not about to turn my life over to an anecdotal solution.
No one said you had to. You still have a choice. You're making the
foolish choice in my opinion, since you're ignroing 90 years of abject
failure, but you're free to be foolish if you want to be.
>While you
> talk about a handful of alledged "successes", I have to wonder how many
> hundreds who have fallen prey to your webpage, have lost their lives
> due to your misguidance. You remind me of my 97 year-old uncle who
> credits his longevity to smoking...
There is no wondering how many get killed each week with the
foolishness you prefer...it's over 10,000 killed each week.
When a doctor writes "Wow" on a biopsy report, it means he's never
seen anything like it.
When a doctor predicts his patient will be ded in 6 months but the
patients finds out he is cancer free instead, it means the doctor has
never seen anything like this.
In all their years of training and experience, these are "first time
exeriences" for them. But you go ahead and ignore it.
Btw, I went to see a doctor recently. This doctor would come into the
health food store periodically where I worked and spend several
hundred dollars for supplements for himself and his parents.
When I was talking to him as a patient, however, he was afraid to
recommend ANY natural supplement because he was afraid of what might
happen to him professionally.
You might be a victim of that fear from your doctor. You are most
assuredly a victim of his treatments.
safire
> Amazing how your name never came up in any news article that I've seen, nor
> many details into Imus's treatment.
>
>
>
> Don Imus is having his case overseen - OVERSEEN? - by two of the top
> urologists - SURGEONS? - in
> the US, according to Don's own words in the audio. One is at Columbia
> University and the other is at UCLA - I DON'T KNOW OF ANY 'TOP' UROS IN
> THESE SCHOOLS -.
There are so many things Kramer doesn't know. (Why does he think we care
what he does or doesn't know?) UCLA and Columbia are ranked #4 and #8 on
the list of best urology hospitals in the U.S. published annually by
USNWR, even before MD Anderson Cancer Center and way before Stanford.
BEWARE OF KRAMER.
He's a retired blue collar guy pretending to be a cancer specialist.
>
>
Happy Oyster
********************************
That is a lie.
>> <quote>
>> Reply-To: "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net>
>> From: "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net>
>> Newsgroups:
>> sci.med.diseases.cancer,misc.health.alternative,alt.support.cancer.prostate
>> ***************************************************************************
>> References:
>> <88147287-3b03-4644...@r33g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>
>> <106620b0-a606-4c7f-ab53-5c095c0db...@g20g2000vba.googlegroups.com>
>> In-Reply-To:
>> <106620b0-a606-4c7f...@g20g2000vba.googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: Don Imus: "We're making tremendous progress"
>> </quote>
>>
>> --
>> F�r eine wehrhafte Medizin!
>>
>> http://wehrhafte.medizin.se
--
How a sect kills YOUR children
http://www.pharmamafia.com
Happy Oyster
Newsgroups:
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Subject: Re: Don Imus: "We're making tremendous progress"
On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 11:27:22 -0700 (PDT), awthrawthr <awthr...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>On Jun 7, 1:01�pm, Happy Oyster <happy.oys...@ariplex.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 6 Jun 2009 22:16:15 -0400, "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> >Reply-To: "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net>
>> >From: "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net>
>> >Newsgroups: sci.med.diseases.cancer,misc.health.alternative
***************************************************************
>>
>> *************************************************************
>>
>> >References: <88147287-3b03-4644-a8e1-3ade7f5ec...@r33g2000yqn.googlegroups.com> <106620b0-a606-4c7f-ab53-5c095c0db...@g20g2000vba.googlegroups.com> <0_XVl.12409$im1.12...@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com> <h0ba3m$7c...@news.eternal-september.org>
>> >In-Reply-To: <h0ba3m$7c...@news.eternal-september.org>
>> >Subject: Re: Don Imus: "We're making tremendous progress"
>> >Message-ID: <WpFWl.31225$Ws1.4...@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com>
>> >NNTP-Posting-Host: 70.239.92.215
>> >"Steve Kramer" <skra...@cinci.rr.com> wrote in message
>> >news:h0ba3m$7cu$2...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> >> Please don't cross post.
>>
>> >I didn't. �See the original poster.
>>
>> That is a lie.
>>
>> Here is the proof:
>
>I am the original poster of this thread. I posted to 3 highly relevant
>groups:
>sci.med.diseases.cancer,
>misc.health.alternative, and
>alt.support.cancer.prostate
That is a crosspost.
>If someone removed one of those three highly relevant from the list,
>they have a personal agenda commonly known as censorship.
Then you should open your eyes! Jan Drew took out one group.
>Jan's message posted to the same three groups. She did not lie. You
>did.
You did a crosspost.
Jan Drew did a crosspost.
Jan Drew did lie.
>> <quote>
>> Reply-To: "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net>
>> From: "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net>
>> Newsgroups:
>> sci.med.diseases.cancer,misc.health.alternative,alt.support.cancer.prostate
>> ***************************************************************************
>> References: <88147287-3b03-4644...@r33g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>
>> <106620b0-a606-4c7f-ab53-5c095c0db...@g20g2000vba.googlegroups.com>
>> In-Reply-To: <106620b0-a606-4c7f...@g20g2000vba.googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: Don Imus: "We're making tremendous progress"
>> </quote>
>>
>> --
>> � � � � � � � � � � � � �F�r eine wehrhafte Medizin! � �
>>
>> � � � � � � � � � � � � �http://wehrhafte.medizin.se
--
Happy Oyster
wrote:
>Listen up, moron...and you are a moron because you need to be told so
>many times...my recipe is FREE.
To jump from a skyscraper also is free.
I.P. Freely
>
> I am the original poster of this thread. I posted to 3 highly relevant
> groups:
> sci.med.diseases.cancer,
> misc.health.alternative, and
> alt.support.cancer.prostate
>
> If someone removed one of those three highly relevant from the list,
> they have a personal agenda commonly known as censorship.
That, by definition, is crossposting. And since rational people don't
want to see anthwrrwrw's crap, it's unwelcome crossposting and has
flooded a.s.c.p with dozens of posts of a noise level we're not used to.
If you other forums like wallowing in his garbage, you're welcome to it,
but asking people to stop Xposting is not censorship ... it's asking
people not to fart loudly in public.
Unlike my other posts with this request, this one is also posted in
a.c.s.p. so if its members WANT to see this stupid stuff, they can speak
up.
I.P.
I.P. Freely
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Mark Probert
> On Jun 7, 8:02 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 7, 2:39 pm, "Steve Kramer" <skra...@cinci.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > > "awthrawthr" <awthraw...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:cf9fedc1-aef4-4742...@z5g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
> > > On Jun 5, 9:34 am, "Steve Kramer" <skra...@cinci.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Amazing how your name never came up in any news article that I've seen,
> > > > nor
> > > > many details into Imus's treatment.
>
> > > What is amazing is the level of denial you are willing to adopt. I
> > > have all the email communications between myself and Deirdre Imus
> > > including the one where she informed me that she was the author of 4
> > > bestselling books.
>
> > Diedre Imus is an idiot. Period.
>
> I'm no fan of her or her husband.
>
> Any schmuck can write a book.
Is this an example of poor quoting, or is it thermonuclear irony?
awthrawthr
Your spin...a gracious word considering the circumstances...makes me
laugh. I have come here to relate cases where people have either had
their prostate cancer reversed or are getting much better. In
response, there has been vicious attacks. You call that unwelcome
I have news for you. You don't own the newsgroup nor do you determine
the content. There is nothing more supportive than to provide free
information regarding people who are doing well.
But in your bitter mental state, you act like a spoiled child.
awthrawthr
> From: awthrawthr <awthraw...@gmail.com>
> Newsgroups:
> sci.med.diseases.cancer,misc.health.alternative,alt.support.cancer.prostate
> ***************************************************************************
> Subject: Re: Don Imus: "We're making tremendous progress"
> Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 11:27:22 -0700 (PDT)
>
No actually, you lied. And you're lying again.
>
>
>
>
>
> >> <quote>
> >> Reply-To: "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net>
> >> From: "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net>
> >> Newsgroups:
> >> sci.med.diseases.cancer,misc.health.alternative,alt.support.cancer.prostate
> >> ***************************************************************************
> >> References: <88147287-3b03-4644-a8e1-3ade7f5ec...@r33g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>
> >> <106620b0-a606-4c7f-ab53-5c095c0db...@g20g2000vba.googlegroups.com>
> >> In-Reply-To: <106620b0-a606-4c7f-ab53-5c095c0db...@g20g2000vba.googlegroups.com>
> >> Subject: Re: Don Imus: "We're making tremendous progress"
> >> </quote>
>
> >> --
> >> Für eine wehrhafte Medizin!
>
> >> http://wehrhafte.medizin.se
>
> --
> How a sect kills YOUR children
>
> http://www.pharmamafia.com- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
KevysMom
> book in Australia by far in the year it came out. I now expect much
> more respect from quackery promoters due to my bestselling status.
You wrote a book about what?
On Jun 7, 10:35 pm, Peter Bowditch <myfirstn...@ratbags.com> wrote:
> Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Jun 7, 2:39 pm, "Steve Kramer" <skra...@cinci.rr.com> wrote:
> >> "awthrawthr" <awthraw...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:cf9fedc1-aef4-4742...@z5g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
> >> On Jun 5, 9:34 am, "Steve Kramer" <skra...@cinci.rr.com> wrote:
>
> >> > Amazing how your name never came up in any news article that I've seen,
> >> > nor
> >> > many details into Imus's treatment.
>
> >> What is amazing is the level of denial you are willing to adopt. I
> >> have all the email communications between myself and Deirdre Imus
> >> including the one where she informed me that she was the author of 4
> >> bestselling books.
>
> >Diedre Imus is an idiot. Period. Any schmuck can write a book.
>
> I've only written one book, but it was the biggest-selling non-fiction
> book in Australia by far in the year it came out. I now expect much
> more respect from quackery promoters due to my bestselling status.
>
>
>
> >> ==> It is not denial. I loath crooks and liars, but more so those who
> >> would try to steer men away from life-saving or life-sustaining treatments
> >> in order to fill their pockets.
>
> --
> Peter Bowditch aa #2243
> The Millenium Projecthttp://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
> Australian Council Against Health Fraudhttp://www.acahf.org.au
> Australian Skepticshttp://www.skeptics.com.au
> To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com- Hide quoted text -
awthrawthr
> Steve Kramer wrote:
> > Amazing how your name never came up in any news article that I've seen, nor
> > many details into Imus's treatment.
>
> > BEWARE OF FRAUDS.
>
> >news:3d45fc68-8f5d-4815...@k2g2000yql.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Don Imus is having his case overseen - OVERSEEN? - by two of the top
> > urologists - SURGEONS? - in
> > the US, according to Don's own words in the audio. One is at Columbia
> > University and the other is at UCLA - I DON'T KNOW OF ANY 'TOP' UROS IN
> > THESE SCHOOLS -.
>
> There are so many things Kramer doesn't know. (Why does he think we care
> what he does or doesn't know?) UCLA and Columbia are ranked #4 and #8 on
> the list of best urology hospitals in the U.S. published annually by
> USNWR, even before MD Anderson Cancer Center and way before Stanford.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/n2fblk
Priceless!
>
> BEWARE OF KRAMER.
>
> He's a retired blue collar guy pretending to be a cancer specialist.
>
>
>
kaypeeoh
>> ==> It is not denial. I loath crooks and liars, but more so those who
>> would try to steer men away from life-saving or life-sustaining treatments
>> in order to fill their pockets.
I imagine some will forego 'life-sustaining treatments' out of fear of
side effects while pointing to the small percentage of failed
treatments as their reason. My wife developed breast cancer five
years ago. She underwent a mastectomy and chemotherapy. Post-chemo
she was prescribed Anzamet. She had no side effects other than
temporary hair loss. No vomiting, no weakness, no malaise while
taking Anzamet. She went to work every day. And after work she
helped me with building a 30 by 50 ft barn and hayloft. Conventional
cancer treatments work more often than they fail. What's wrong with
including habaneros along side conventional treatments? The Anzamet
could have blunted the stinging pain of the capsaicin in the
peppers.
BTW, she's still cancer-free today.
kevin
awthrawthr
No, FDA-approved mistreatments do not work more often than they fail.
The stats have been fooled with almost as many times as the cost of
living figures put out by the government.
And to say they work when body parts are removed is to grant a
leniency that needen't be tolerated.
If the person's hair has fallen out it means their digestive trac has
also been abused.
You can have all the FDA-approved garbage you want. I cured myself of
stage 4 cancer without it, and others are curing themselves without
it, too.
Happy Oyster
Regards,
Aribert Deckers
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On Mon, 08 Jun 2009 06:25:04 -0700, "I.P. Freely" <fuhghed...@noway.nohow>
wrote:
--
Happy Oyster
wrote:
>On Jun 8, 2:44�am, Happy Oyster <happy.oys...@ariplex.com> wrote:
>> From: awthrawthr <awthraw...@gmail.com>
>> Newsgroups:
>> sci.med.diseases.cancer,misc.health.alternative,alt.support.cancer.prostate
>> ***************************************************************************
******************************************************************************
******************************************************************************
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>> Subject: Re: Don Imus: "We're making tremendous progress"
>> Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 11:27:22 -0700 (PDT)
>>
>> On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 11:27:22 -0700 (PDT), awthrawthr <awthraw...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Jun 7, 1:01�pm, Happy Oyster <happy.oys...@ariplex.com> wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 6 Jun 2009 22:16:15 -0400, "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> >> >Reply-To: "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net>
>> >> >From: "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net>
>> >> >Newsgroups: sci.med.diseases.cancer,misc.health.alternative
>>
>> ***************************************************************
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******************************************************************************
******************************************************************************
Perhaps you should see your eye doctor. Your sight is rather blurred.
I underlined the appropriate lines 3 times now.
Or do I have to explain the word "underlign"?
>> >> <quote>
>> >> Reply-To: "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net>
>> >> From: "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net>
>> >> Newsgroups:
>> >> sci.med.diseases.cancer,misc.health.alternative,alt.support.cancer.prostate
>> >> ***************************************************************************
>> >> References: <88147287-3b03-4644-a8e1-3ade7f5ec...@r33g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>
>> >> <106620b0-a606-4c7f-ab53-5c095c0db...@g20g2000vba.googlegroups.com>
>> >> In-Reply-To: <106620b0-a606-4c7f-ab53-5c095c0db...@g20g2000vba.googlegroups.com>
>> >> Subject: Re: Don Imus: "We're making tremendous progress"
>> >> </quote>
>>
>> >> --
>> >> � � � � � � � � � � � � �F�r eine wehrhafte Medizin! � �
Happy Oyster
>> I've only written one book, but it was the biggest-selling non-fiction
>> book in Australia by far in the year it came out. I now expect much
>> more respect from quackery promoters due to my bestselling status.
>
>
>You wrote a book about what?
About guys like you, I guess.
Happy Oyster
wrote:
>You can have all the FDA-approved garbage you want. I cured myself of
>stage 4 cancer without it, and others are curing themselves without
>it, too.
That you cured yourself is a fairy tale.
That others cure themselves the same way, too, is a lie.
I have a list of 150 persons who died because they believed a murderous death
sect:
More about the background:
Now back to you: You are posting claims without any proof. There is a guy in
Germany who claims that he had leukaemia 10 times. And that everbody should have
leukaemia. And that he cured himself by following Hamer'd rules of the
"Germanische Neue Medizin". That is exactly that murderous shit which cost
several hundred persons their lives already, and 150 of these are in my above
mentioned list.
And do not forget: I have 3 domains running for this topic:
http://www.todessekte.de
http://www.deathsect.com
http://www.secte-de-la-mort.net
and there is enough webspace for me to put up more...
Aribert Deckers
Steve Kramer
news:53f5eb8e-1973-4437...@n8g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
:
:
: >> ==> It is not denial. I loath crooks and liars, but more so those who
: >> would try to steer men away from life-saving or life-sustaining
treatments
: >> in order to fill their pockets.
:
: I imagine some will forego 'life-sustaining treatments' out of fear of
: side effects while pointing to the small percentage of failed
: treatments as their reason.
:
:My wife developed breast cancer five
: years ago. She underwent a mastectomy and chemotherapy. Post-chemo
: she was prescribed Anzamet. She had no side effects other than
: temporary hair loss. No vomiting, no weakness, no malaise while
: taking Anzamet. She went to work every day. And after work she
: helped me with building a 30 by 50 ft barn and hayloft.
Please, do not get the wrong impression of me, Kevin. I do not loath; in
fact I fully support every man (or woman in your wife's case) making
decisions on their own treatment. And, I concur that side effects is on
criterion that cannot be ignored. Many here have gone off of ADT, for
instance, and did so only because they would rather have rising PSA than
debilitating SEs. I fully support each and every one of them.
That which I loath is the person who would tell your wife she had no need
for mastectomy and chemotherapy. That all she need do is drink his magic
elixer and she will be cured! Just like he was! When, in fact, it is all a
sham. He will sell his books, maybe his elixer, and she would die. I did
not come to this group to watch frauds convince men and women to follow them
blindly into their graves.
: The Anzamet
: could have blunted the stinging pain of the capsaicin in the
: peppers.
As to capsaicin, I take it myself. It might be partially responsible for my
longevity after RPP failure, SRT failure, and ADT1 failure. So might my
walking. So might Vitamin D. So might my DNA. Nobody knows and I will not
lie to someone and tell them I am cured of Stage 4 PCa.
: BTW, she's still cancer-free today.
And that's what it's all about!!!
awthrawthr
> On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 06:46:08 -0700 (PDT), awthrawthr <awthraw...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Jun 8, 2:44 am, Happy Oyster <happy.oys...@ariplex.com> wrote:
> >> From: awthrawthr <awthraw...@gmail.com>
> >> Newsgroups:
> >> sci.med.diseases.cancer,misc.health.alternative,alt.support.cancer.prostate
> >> ***************************************************************************
>
> ******************************************************************************
> ******************************************************************************
>
> >> Subject: Re: Don Imus: "We're making tremendous progress"
> >> Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 11:27:22 -0700 (PDT)
>
> >> On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 11:27:22 -0700 (PDT), awthrawthr <awthraw...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >On Jun 7, 1:01 pm, Happy Oyster <happy.oys...@ariplex.com> wrote:
> >> >> On Sat, 6 Jun 2009 22:16:15 -0400, "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >> >> >Reply-To: "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net>
> >> >> >From: "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net>
> >> >> >Newsgroups: sci.med.diseases.cancer,misc.health.alternative
>
> >> ***************************************************************
>
> ******************************************************************************
> ******************************************************************************
>
> >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
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> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> --
> How a sect kills YOUR children
>
> http://www.pharmamafia.com- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
It is not a cross post when the original poster included the group in
his message. Moron.
awthrawthr
> On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 09:09:28 -0700 (PDT), awthrawthr <awthraw...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >You can have all the FDA-approved garbage you want. I cured myself of
> >stage 4 cancer without it, and others are curing themselves without
> >it, too.
>
> That you cured yourself is a fairy tale.
>
> That others cure themselves the same way, too, is a lie.
You can cry all you want and tell yourself it is a lie all day long.
Meanwhile, Imus is in the process of getting cured. So the news will
start to spread pretty fast, probably in the next few months. And
there isn't a damn thing you can do about it...except to tell yourself
more lies. Oh, you could make a new web page. Meanwhile, Imus has an
audience of probably a million people or more.
Meanwhile, I just found an email on my gmail account from someone who
reported a similar experience as Imus did. Th man being reported on
had a Gleason 7. After 3 weeks, his C-reactive protein reading is now
zero whereas it was very high before.
Paul T. Holland
awthrawthr wrote:
>
> It is not a cross post when the original poster included the group in
> his message. Moron.
'any' post made to more than one group at a time is crossposting
it doesn't matter who started it, any and all who continue the
crossposting [such as this message ] are equal.
it isn't about intent, only the actual action -
thus, these posts, to multiple grouops, 'are' crossposted.
Paul T. Holland
awthrawthr wrote:
> On Jun 4, 7:58 pm, "Paul T. Holland" <pholl...@bellatlantic.net>
> wrote:
>> awthrawthr wrote:
>>> On Jun 4, 5:42 pm, "Paul T. Holland" <pholl...@bellatlantic.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>> dbu' wrote:
>>>>> In article
>>>>> <88147287-3b03-4644-a8e1-3ade7f5ec...@r33g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>> awthrawthr <awthraw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Here is what Imus told his guest CBS newsman Bob Schieffer:
>>>>>> Imus: You know, I eat these habaneros peppers every day. Do you know
>>>>>> what a habaneros pepper is?...okay, it's the hottest pepper on the
>>>>>> planet...they are so hot...you know, I eat two or three of them every
>>>>>> day....they kill cancer cells.
>>>>>> Shieffer: How are you doing with that?
>>>>>> Imus: You know, actually the early indications are that we're making
>>>>>> tremendous progress with a completely holistic approach.
>>>>>> "We're making tremendous progress" - those are Imus's words.
>>>>>> On his morning broadcast on Wednseday Imus revealed that his pSA-3
>>>>>> score has dropped from 200 to 59. Previously, his c-reactive protein
>>>>>> and SED rate had dropped from "extremely high" to zero.
>>>>>> Here is the recording from his show which might remain archived for
>>>>>> one week:
>>>>>> http://www.wabcradio.com/Article.asp?id=1353288&spid=22807
>>>>>> Some folks have claimed I make up fictitious people. They can go
>>>>>> listen for themselves.
>>>>> Don really needs to see a doctor and get that treated soon, unless he
>>>>> just feels like giving up altogether.
>>>> he has been, and continues to to receive, treatment(s) per his doctor(s)
>>>> advice.- Hide quoted text -
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>> If you listen to the audio, you will hear Imus state, "You know,
>>> actually the early indications are that we're making tremendous
>>> progress with a COMPLETELY holistic approach."
>> "Holism is primarily associated with healing processes and advocates
>> patient-centered medicine in which the physician treats the person as a
>> whole being, rather than focusing on a set of symptoms. It promotes
>> preventative medicine by maintaining the health of all aspects of the
>> self�physical, mental, emotional, spiritual. Generally, however,
>> holistic medicine is simply a generic phrase referring to a variety of
>> healing practices, some beneficial and some questionable."
>
> You hang onto that sliver of nonsense if it makes you happy.
i quote a definition of holistic - a phrase 'you' used - and you call it
nonsense?
try reading it again, and tell me just what you find fault with in the
paragraph
>
> Don and Deirdre Imus are totally into orgainic food, etc. He wouldn't
> have used the word comletely if he meant he as doing something else,
holistic means being open to all, not limiting oneself.
> which he mentioned in this case was radiation, which he SAID he was
> refusing.
so, you cite one thing that he aparently has vetoed in his treatment
plan - that hardly rules out the numerous other modalities.
the thing is, no one except his docs actually knows what the facts are -
it appears that that the imus's have decided to keep the specifics
private, and only talk in generalities - their priviledge
for 'you' to make excessive claims as if you actually had copies of his
charts is silly
>
> He also SAID his doctors were hysterical about the course of treatment
> he had decided on which is my recipe. Do you think they would have
> been hysterical if he was combining it with THEIR treatment??
>
> What in the hell would they care if he wanted to eat a pepper and a
> couple cloves of garlic while they were treating him with any of their
> methods. They could care less. The only thing that would make them
> hysterical would be for him to exclude ALL of their treatments.
>
>
>>> The doctors' ONLY role has been to monitor his improvement through
>>> various tests. He has received NO TREATMENT from the doctors.
>> provide verifiable citations for this assertion
>
> Listen to the audio of Don Imus's own words...it's all there. There
> would be no documents of methods NOT used.
>
>>
>>
>>> In that
>>> regardin Imus is like Chuck Kinsey, who also received NO MEDICAL
>>> TREATMENTS. He had boipsies before and after and various bloodwork in
>>> between.
>>> His first biopsy was a Gleason 6 (3+3). His second biopsy found no
>>> malaignancy. One of the doctors wrote "Wow" on the biopsy report.
>>> In other words, Imus (Gleason 7) is on his way to becoming the second
>>> cured prostate cancer case without accepting ANY medical treatment
>>> using my recipe. In fact, he is only the second prostate cancer
>>> patient I am aware of who has tried my recipe.
>>> Let me take that back. When I was still working, I knew a man whose
>>> father had prostate cancer. His PSA dropped from around 8+ to 4. I
>>> retired and didn't keep in touch. But I have little doubt the outcome
>>> was like Chuck's and Don's.- Hide quoted text -
J
> Meanwhile, I just found an email on my gmail account from someone who
> reported a similar experience as Imus did. Th man being reported on
> had a Gleason 7. After 3 weeks, his C-reactive protein reading is now
> zero whereas it was very high before.
Reducing the amount of inflammation does not reduce the amount of prostate cancer.
J
kaypeeoh
BPH, my dad and grandad each had prostate cancer. I try to follow an
anti-inflammatory diet, I run every day, I take Vit C, Vit D, fish oil
and will try the habaneros-and-ginger recipe. I'm also treating
myself with 100mg testosterone cypionate every seven days.
kaypeeoh
awthrawthr
> On Jun 8, 2:47 pm, Happy Oyster <happy.oys...@ariplex.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 09:09:28 -0700 (PDT), awthrawthr <awthraw...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > >You can have all the FDA-approved garbage you want. I cured myself of
> > >stage 4 cancer without it, and others are curing themselves without
> > >it, too.
>
> > That you cured yourself is a fairy tale.
>
> > That others cure themselves the same way, too, is a lie.
>
> You can cry all you want and tell yourself it is a lie all day long.
> Meanwhile, Imus is in the process of getting cured. So the news will
> start to spread pretty fast, probably in the next few months. And
> there isn't a damn thing you can do about it...except to tell yourself
> more lies. Oh, you could make a new web page. Meanwhile, Imus has an
> audience of probably a million people or more.
>
> Meanwhile, I just found an email on my gmail account from someone who
> reported a similar experience as Imus did. Th man being reported on
> had a Gleason 7. After 3 weeks, his C-reactive protein reading is now
> zero whereas it was very high before.
I need to correct this. Upon rereading the email, it appears I mistook
and misread the case described as a new case, but most likely was a
duplication of the Imus case...the writer was probably referring to
Imus when I thought he was referring to another case.
My apologies for the error.
>
>
>
>
>
> > I have a list of 150 persons who died because they believed a murderous death
> > sect:
>
> > http://www.totenliste.info
>
> > More about the background:
>
> > http://www.deathsect.com
>
> > Now back to you: You are posting claims without any proof. There is a guy in
> > Germany who claims that he had leukaemia 10 times. And that everbody should have
> > leukaemia. And that he cured himself by following Hamer'd rules of the
> > "Germanische Neue Medizin". That is exactly that murderous shit which cost
> > several hundred persons their lives already, and 150 of these are in my above
> > mentioned list.
>
> > And do not forget: I have 3 domains running for this topic:
>
> > http://www.todessekte.de
> > http://www.deathsect.com
> > http://www.secte-de-la-mort.net
>
> > and there is enough webspace for me to put up more...
>
> > Aribert Deckers
> > --
> > How a sect kills YOUR children
>
> > http://www.pharmamafia.com- Hide quoted text -
awthrawthr
I need to correct this. Upon rereading the email I received, it
appears I mistook and misread the case described as a new case, but
most likely was a duplication of the Imus case...the writer was almost
certainly referring to
Imus when I thought he was referring to another case.
My apologies for the error.
BTW, in reference to reducing the inflammation not reducing the cancer
let me say this. The urologist probably knows a hell of a lot more
about it than you do. You would have us believe that the urologist
would run a test that didn't provide pertinent inormation.
In addition, imagine that Imus's generalized inflammation was reduced
from being "extremely high" to zero. How could there possibly be any
benefit to that occurrence! [end sarcasm]
awthrawthr
> >> holistic medicine is simply a generic phrase referring to a variety of
> >> healing practices, some beneficial and some questionable."
>
> > You hang onto that sliver of nonsense if it makes you happy.
>
> i quote a definition of holistic - a phrase 'you' used - and you call it
> nonsense?
>
> try reading it again, and tell me just what you find fault with in the
> paragraph
I don't give a da** about your semantic definitions - I care about the
facts. The fact is Don Imus is not using any medical treatment for his
prostate cancer. Try getting that through your thick head.
>
>
>
> > Don and Deirdre Imus are totally into orgainic food, etc. He wouldn't
> > have used the word comletely if he meant he as doing something else,
>
> holistic means being open to all, not limiting oneself.
>
> > which he mentioned in this case was radiation, which he SAID he was
> > refusing.
>
> so, you cite one thing that he aparently has vetoed in his treatment
> plan - that hardly rules out the numerous other modalities.
>
> the thing is, no one except his docs actually knows what the facts are -
> it appears that that the imus's have decided to keep the specifics
> private, and only talk in generalities - their priviledge
>
> for 'you' to make excessive claims as if you actually had copies of his
> charts is silly
Gawd, you're a moron! He said he was using A "COMPLETELY HOLISTIC"
approach. Do you suppose for even one minute he would have used the
word "completely" if he meant he was using something else.
Complementary is the term uthat is used when someone is combining
medical treatments with holistic. Now go play in the traffic and stop
wasting everyone's time.
Jan Drew
"I.P. Freely" <fuhghed...@noway.nohow> wrote in message
news:Da8Xl.42048$Mf7....@newsfe16.iad...
You are mistaken.
Jan Drew" <jdre...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:Cm0Xl.18312$jZ1....@flpi144.ffdc.sbc.com...
>
> "awthrawthr" <awthr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:7bd37707-8541-4386...@t11g2000vbc.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 7, 1:01 pm, Happy Oyster <happy.oys...@ariplex.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 6 Jun 2009 22:16:15 -0400, "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net>
>> wrote:
>> >Reply-To: "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net>
>> >From: "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net>
>> >Newsgroups: sci.med.diseases.cancer,misc.health.alternative
>>
>> *************************************************************
>>
>> >References:
>> ><88147287-3b03-4644-a8e1-3ade7f5ec...@r33g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>
>> ><106620b0-a606-4c7f-ab53-5c095c0db...@g20g2000vba.googlegroups.com>
>> ><0_XVl.12409$im1.12...@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com>
>> ><h0ba3m$7c...@news.eternal-september.org>
>> >In-Reply-To: <h0ba3m$7c...@news.eternal-september.org>
>> >Subject: Re: Don Imus: "We're making tremendous progress"
>> >Message-ID: <WpFWl.31225$Ws1.4...@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com>
>> >NNTP-Posting-Host: 70.239.92.215
>> >"Steve Kramer" <skra...@cinci.rr.com> wrote in message
>> >news:h0ba3m$7cu$2...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> >> Please don't cross post.
>>
>> >I didn't. See the original poster.
>>
>> That is a lie.
>>
>> Here is the proof:
>
> I am the original poster of this thread. I posted to 3 highly relevant
> groups:
> sci.med.diseases.cancer,
> misc.health.alternative, and
> alt.support.cancer.prostate
>
> If someone removed one of those three highly relevant from the list,
> they have a personal agenda commonly known as censorship.
>
> Jan's message posted to the same three groups. She did not lie. You
> did.
>
> Thank you. The Oyster is following most all of my posts.
> He posts have always been lies.
>
>>
>> <quote>
>> Reply-To: "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net>
>> From: "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net>
>> Newsgroups:
>> sci.med.diseases.cancer,misc.health.alternative,alt.support.cancer.prostate
>> ***************************************************************************
>> References:
>> <88147287-3b03-4644...@r33g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>
>> <106620b0-a606-4c7f-ab53-5c095c0db...@g20g2000vba.googlegroups.com>
>> In-Reply-To:
>> <106620b0-a606-4c7f...@g20g2000vba.googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: Don Imus: "We're making tremendous progress"
>> </quote>
>>
Jan Drew
> --
> F�r eine wehrhafte Medizin!
>
> http://wehrhafte.medizin.se
"Happy Oyster" <happy....@ariplex.com> wrote in message
news:u7gp259h2cdfo2ej7...@4ax.com...
> From: awthrawthr <awthr...@gmail.com>
> Newsgroups:
> sci.med.diseases.cancer,misc.health.alternative,alt.support.cancer.prostate
> ***************************************************************************
> Subject: Re: Don Imus: "We're making tremendous progress"
> Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 11:27:22 -0700 (PDT)
>
>
> On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 11:27:22 -0700 (PDT), awthrawthr <awthr...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On Jun 7, 1:01 pm, Happy Oyster <happy.oys...@ariplex.com> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 6 Jun 2009 22:16:15 -0400, "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net>
>>> wrote:
>>> >Reply-To: "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net>
>>> >From: "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net>
>>> >Newsgroups: sci.med.diseases.cancer,misc.health.alternative
> ***************************************************************
>>>
>>> *************************************************************
>>>
>>> >References:
>>> ><88147287-3b03-4644-a8e1-3ade7f5ec...@r33g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>
>>> ><106620b0-a606-4c7f-ab53-5c095c0db...@g20g2000vba.googlegroups.com>
>>> ><0_XVl.12409$im1.12...@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com>
>>> ><h0ba3m$7c...@news.eternal-september.org>
>>> >In-Reply-To: <h0ba3m$7c...@news.eternal-september.org>
>>> >Subject: Re: Don Imus: "We're making tremendous progress"
>>> >Message-ID: <WpFWl.31225$Ws1.4...@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com>
>>> >NNTP-Posting-Host: 70.239.92.215
>>> >"Steve Kramer" <skra...@cinci.rr.com> wrote in message
>>> >news:h0ba3m$7cu$2...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> >> Please don't cross post.
>>>
>>> >I didn't. See the original poster.
>>>
>>> That is a lie.
>>>
>>> Here is the proof:
>>
>>I am the original poster of this thread. I posted to 3 highly relevant
>>groups:
>>sci.med.diseases.cancer,
>>misc.health.alternative, and
>>alt.support.cancer.prostate
>
> That is a crosspost.
>
>>If someone removed one of those three highly relevant from the list,
>>they have a personal agenda commonly known as censorship.
>
> Then you should open your eyes! Jan Drew took out one group.
Steve Kramer
Newsgroups: sci.med.diseases.cancer, misc.health.alternative
From: "Steve Kramer" <skra...@cinci.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 10:29:06 -0400
Local: Fri, Jun 5 2009 10:29 am
Subject: Re: Don Imus: "We're making tremendous progress"
Newsgroups: sci.med.diseases.cancer, misc.health.alternative
From: "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net>
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 22:16:15 -0400
Local: Sat, Jun 6 2009 10:16 pm
Subject: Re: Don Imus: "We're making tremendous progress"
Steve Kramer took out one group, I just replied to his post.
So, YOU open your eyes.
>
>>Jan's message posted to the same three groups. She did not lie. You
>>did.
>
> You did a crosspost.
>
> Jan Drew did a crosspost.
>
> Jan Drew did lie.
No, I did not and it has been proven.
Now, time for you to quit following me around and telling lies.
Jan Drew
On Jun 8, 2:44 am, Happy Oyster <happy.oys...@ariplex.com> wrote:
> From: awthrawthr <awthraw...@gmail.com>
> Newsgroups:
> sci.med.diseases.cancer,misc.health.alternative,alt.support.cancer.prostate
> ***************************************************************************
> Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 11:27:22 -0700 (PDT)
>
> On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 11:27:22 -0700 (PDT), awthrawthr <awthraw...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Jun 7, 1:01 pm, Happy Oyster <happy.oys...@ariplex.com> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 6 Jun 2009 22:16:15 -0400, "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net>
> >> wrote:
> >> >Reply-To: "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net>
> >> >From: "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net>
> >> >Newsgroups: sci.med.diseases.cancer,misc.health.alternative
>
> ***************************************************************
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Jan Drew
>
> >> >> http://wehrhafte.medizin.se
>
> >> --
> >> How a sect kills YOUR children
>
> >> http://www.pharmamafia.com-Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> --
> How a sect kills YOUR children
>
> http://www.pharmamafia.com- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
It is not a cross post when the original poster included the group in
his message. Moron.
"Paul T. Holland" <phol...@bellatlantic.net> wrote in message
news:h0k15u$hgj$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
Yes, it does matter who started it. When another is accused of being the
cross poster.
Jan Drew
> On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 06:48:27 -0700 (PDT), KevysMom <kevy...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>> I've only written one book, but it was the biggest-selling non-fiction
>>> book in Australia by far in the year it came out. I now expect much
>>> more respect from quackery promoters due to my bestselling status.
>>
>>
>>You wrote a book about what?
>
> About guys like you, I guess.
LOL! KevysMom is a guy.
Poor Yappy oyster.
>
> --
>
Mark Probert
> Now, time for you to quit following me around and telling lies.
Captain Kirk: Spock, what was that massive explosion? A super
nova? A thousand photon torpedoes?
Mr. Spock: No, Captain. That was Mark Probert's irony meter.
I.P. Freely
>
> "I.P. Freely" <fuhghed...@noway.nohow> wrote in message
> news:Da8Xl.42048$Mf7....@newsfe16.iad...
>> Jan Drew wrote:
>>>
>>
>>> I am the original poster of this thread. I posted to 3 highly relevant
>>> groups:
>>> sci.med.diseases.cancer,
>>> misc.health.alternative, and
>>> alt.support.cancer.prostate
>>>
>>> If someone removed one of those three highly relevant from the list,
>>> they have a personal agenda commonly known as censorship.
>>
>> That, by definition, is crossposting. And since rational people don't
>> want to see anthwrrwrw's crap, it's unwelcome crossposting and has
>> flooded a.s.c.p with dozens of posts of a noise level we're not used
>> to. If you other forums like wallowing in his garbage, you're welcome
>> to it, but asking people to stop Xposting is not censorship ... it's
>> asking people not to fart loudly in public.
>>
>> Unlike my other posts with this request, this one is also posted in
>> a.c.s.p. so if its members WANT to see this stupid stuff, they can
>> speak up.
>>
>> I.P.
>
> You are mistaken.
No, really, they CAN speak up, as Kramer has done. No one is stopping
them from inviting all this damned incessant crossposting. BUT ... do
you see any of them doing so?
I.P.
awthrawthr
> "kaypeeoh" <kevinone...@gmail.com> wrote in message
I have said over and over to everyone in here that you CHOOSE what you
want to do. The information I have put out is there for you to partake
or not partake. I know for a fact that the ones who do partake will
get better.
And that way this recipe will spread.
And I've also shared the great news regarding various people, whether
it be Chuck or Jack or Don Imus who have all done exceedingly well
using my FREE recipe.
As for your baseless and false accusation that this is a sham, you
asked me for Deidre's email address, and I immediately told you I
would give it to you when you email me. But you have lied about
sending me an email. Still I requested again that you email me. But
you haven't done it.
So the sham here is being perpetrated by YOU.
>
> : The Anzamet
> : could have blunted the stinging pain of the capsaicin in the
> : peppers.
>
> As to capsaicin, I take it myself. It might be partially responsible for my
> longevity after RPP failure, SRT failure, and ADT1 failure. So might my
> walking. So might Vitamin D. So might my DNA. Nobody knows and I will not
> lie to someone and tell them I am cured of Stage 4 PCa.
While I applaud your taking of capsaicin, it is typically 40k or 100K
heat units at best. Grating a fresh habanero pepper each day would be
much more powerful, even if you didn't do the rest of my recipe. Two
habaneros peppers would be better if I was't doing the rest of my
recipe.
Happy Oyster
wrote:
>> >> >> � � � � � � � � � � � � �F�r eine wehrhafte Medizin! � �
>>
>> >> >> � � � � � � � � � � � � �http://wehrhafte.medizin.se
>>
>> >> --
>> >> � � � � � � � � �How a sect kills YOUR children
>>
>> >> � � � � � � � � � �http://www.pharmamafia.com-Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> --
>> � � � � � � � � �How a sect kills YOUR children
>>
>> � � � � � � � � � �http://www.pharmamafia.com- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>It is not a cross post when the original poster included the group in
>his message. Moron.
Shall I disagree?
And now how about the censorship of Jan Drew?
--
Endlich was Neues seit der Inquisition!
Reimbibel, die schrecklich Schrift in Versen
http://www.reimbibel.de
Happy Oyster
wrote:
>On Jun 8, 2:47�pm, Happy Oyster <happy.oys...@ariplex.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 09:09:28 -0700 (PDT), awthrawthr <awthraw...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >You can have all the FDA-approved garbage you want. I cured myself of
>> >stage 4 cancer without it, and others are curing themselves without
>> >it, too.
>>
>> That you cured yourself is a fairy tale.
>>
>> That others cure themselves the same way, too, is a lie.
>
>You can cry all you want and tell yourself it is a lie all day long.
>Meanwhile, Imus is in the process of getting cured. So the news will
>start to spread pretty fast, probably in the next few months. And
>there isn't a damn thing you can do about it...except to tell yourself
>more lies. Oh, you could make a new web page. Meanwhile, Imus has an
>audience of probably a million people or more.
>
>Meanwhile, I just found an email on my gmail account from someone who
>reported a similar experience as Imus did. Th man being reported on
>had a Gleason 7. After 3 weeks, his C-reactive protein reading is now
>zero whereas it was very high before.
Oh, there were many bigmouthed jerks who yelled that they were in healing
process.
Short time later they were dead.
Dead by cancer.
>> I have a list of 150 persons who died because they believed a murderous death
>> sect:
>>
>> � �http://www.totenliste.info
>>
>> More about the background:
>>
>> � �http://www.deathsect.com
>>
>> Now back to you: You are posting claims without any proof. There is a guy in
>> Germany who claims that he had leukaemia 10 times. And that everbody should have
>> leukaemia. And that he cured himself by following Hamer'd rules of the
>> "Germanische Neue Medizin". That is exactly that murderous shit which cost
>> several hundred persons their lives already, and 150 of these are in my above
>> mentioned list.
>>
>> And do not forget: I have 3 domains running for this topic:
>>
>> � �http://www.todessekte.de
>> � �http://www.deathsect.com
>> � �http://www.secte-de-la-mort.net
>>
>> and there is enough webspace for me to put up more...
>>
>> Aribert Deckers
>> --
>> � � � � � � � � �How a sect kills YOUR children
>>
>> � � � � � � � � � �http://www.pharmamafia.com
--
Happy Oyster
are not his but a quot from "awthrawthr".
Jan Drew does this for years, again and again.
This mixing up of other's word and his own disguise his PR work for the
naturopathic mafia.
On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 21:46:01 -0400, "Jan Drew" <jdre...@sbcglobal.net> posted
this:
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From: "Jan Drew" <jdre...@sbcglobal.net>
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Happy Oyster
But Jan Drew erased 1 group of the 3 groups:
>> >> >> >Newsgroups: sci.med.diseases.cancer,misc.health.alternative
"awthrawthr" had posted to these:
>> >> sci.med.diseases.cancer,misc.health.alternative,alt.support.cancer.prostate
Happy Oyster
Happy Oyster
wrote:
>I have said over and over to everyone in here that you CHOOSE what you
>want to do. The information I have put out is there for you to partake
>or not partake. I know for a fact that the ones who do partake will
>get better.
>
>And that way this recipe will spread.
This is wath many mafiosi tell.
It is a plain lie. It is a lie because they give wrong advice and by this wrong
advice mislead others.
Just try it: Go around and tell people that you can fly - and sell courses for
learing how to fly.
No joke. There was a sect which did exactly that!
Steve Kramer
Meanwhile, I just found an email on my gmail account from someone who
reported a similar experience as Imus did. Th man being reported on
had a Gleason 7. After 3 weeks, his C-reactive protein reading is now
zero whereas it was very high before.
==> Well, that's good enough for me! Why go through all the inconvenient
testing and scientific method when you can get all the proof you need from
an anonymous source via an anonymous source that he has been cured as proven
by a C-reative protein reading.
--
PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins
PSA <.1 <.1 <.1 .27 .37 .75 PSAD 0.19 years
EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
PSA .34 .22 .15 .21 .32 PSAD .056 years
Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 and every 4 months there after
PSA .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132 .145 PSAD 1.4 years
Casodex added daily 07/06
PSA undetectable since, < 0.04 on 10/09/08
Illegitimati non carborundum
I.P. Freely
pissing matches and snake oil blather, you're all PLONKED. I hope no
useful information drifts off into the ether, but apparently useful
information is rare over there, and this will cut the dreck level by
90%. It's been nearly a decade since I've seen this quantity of $#!+
this stupid.
HAS ANY OF YOU EVER EVEN USED THE *SNIP* KEY?
I.P.
Happy Oyster
wrote:
>Because you refuse repeated requests to stop crossposting your infantile
>pissing matches and snake oil blather, you're all PLONKED.
That is childish babble.
Andre
words, it is very agressive to you stomach. Large quantities can cause
stomach cancer. So, in the end, William Kelley Eidem, aka "awthrawthr" may
be right. You may not die from prostate cancer, but possibly from stomach
cancer. I am not sure that this is an advantage...
By the way, I am still curious how Mr. Eidem got to name himself awthrawthr.
That is surely an unusual alias.
Mark Thorson
>
> Habaneros pepper is claimed to be the hottest pepper in the world. In other
> words, it is very agressive to you stomach. Large quantities can cause
> stomach cancer. So, in the end, William Kelley Eidem, aka "awthrawthr" may
> be right. You may not die from prostate cancer, but possibly from stomach
> cancer. I am not sure that this is an advantage...
It is not "very agressive to you stomach". There's no
inflammation, even though it might feel as though there
must be. The capsaicin in hot peppers activates the
pain receptors, but that's all it does. It might feel
like it's burning a hole in your stomach, but nothing
like that is happening.
And chili peppers certainly don't cause stomach cancer.
Paul T. Holland
- usenet servers don't care who initiates a cross-post, nor who continues it
a 'cross-post' is simply 'any' post going to more than one newsgroup at
the same time.
this is a mechanical fact, not an interpretive decision
Paul T. Holland
why should you start using that level of derogatory language?
and, to point to the issue -
semantics is all one has when only able to 'read' rather than have
personal face contact to lend shading to what is said.
i gave you the actual definition of 'holistic' one which does not square
with your usage. i didn't belittle you, nor did i call you names.
i 'did' say that your 'position' was silly, since it does not provide
actual facts concerning his ongoing treatment modalities -
if you can't handle vigorous, oppositional, yet civil discussion, then
you need to stop wasting 'my' time, just post, and never ever respond to
that which is posted in return.
>>>> self�physical, mental, emotional, spiritual. Generally, however,
t
Reminds me of some peoples ill behaved children. Anyway, I have snipped you
latest attempt.
t
"t" <to...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:w9OdnR4EadiHcbPX...@giganews.com...
awthrawthr
> On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 12:53:44 -0700 (PDT), awthrawthr <awthraw...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Jun 8, 2:47 pm, Happy Oyster <happy.oys...@ariplex.com> wrote:
> >> On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 09:09:28 -0700 (PDT), awthrawthr <awthraw...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >You can have all the FDA-approved garbage you want. I cured myself of
> >> >stage 4 cancer without it, and others are curing themselves without
> >> >it, too.
>
> >> That you cured yourself is a fairy tale.
>
> >> That others cure themselves the same way, too, is a lie.
>
> >You can cry all you want and tell yourself it is a lie all day long.
> >Meanwhile, Imus is in the process of getting cured. So the news will
> >start to spread pretty fast, probably in the next few months. And
> >there isn't a damn thing you can do about it...except to tell yourself
> >more lies. Oh, you could make a new web page. Meanwhile, Imus has an
> >audience of probably a million people or more.
>
> >Meanwhile, I just found an email on my gmail account from someone who
> >reported a similar experience as Imus did. Th man being reported on
> >had a Gleason 7. After 3 weeks, his C-reactive protein reading is now
> >zero whereas it was very high before.
>
> Oh, there were many bigmouthed jerks who yelled that they were in healing
> process.
>
> Short time later they were dead.
>
> Dead by cancer.
Stop indicting those doctors you love so much...10,000 killed each
week...it takes a Herculean effort to accomplish something like that.
>
>
>
>
>
> >> I have a list of 150 persons who died because they believed a murderous death
> >> sect:
>
> >> http://www.totenliste.info
>
> >> More about the background:
>
> >> http://www.deathsect.com
>
> >> Now back to you: You are posting claims without any proof. There is a guy in
> >> Germany who claims that he had leukaemia 10 times. And that everbody should have
> >> leukaemia. And that he cured himself by following Hamer'd rules of the
> >> "Germanische Neue Medizin". That is exactly that murderous shit which cost
> >> several hundred persons their lives already, and 150 of these are in my above
> >> mentioned list.
>
> >> And do not forget: I have 3 domains running for this topic:
>
> >> http://www.todessekte.de
> >> http://www.deathsect.com
> >> http://www.secte-de-la-mort.net
>
> >> and there is enough webspace for me to put up more...
>
> >> Aribert Deckers
> >> --
> >> How a sect kills YOUR children
>
> >> http://www.pharmamafia.com
>
> --
> Endlich was Neues seit der Inquisition!
>
> Reimbibel, die schrecklich Schrift in Versen
> http://www.reimbibel.de- Hide quoted text -
awthrawthr
> "awthrawthr" <awthraw...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:dfbb5afb-3041-47e3...@s12g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
>
> Meanwhile, I just found an email on my gmail account from someone who
> reported a similar experience as Imus did. Th man being reported on
> had a Gleason 7. After 3 weeks, his C-reactive protein reading is now
> zero whereas it was very high before.
>
> ==> Well, that's good enough for me! Why go through all the inconvenient
> testing and scientific method when you can get all the proof you need from
> an anonymous source via an anonymous source that he has been cured as proven
> by a C-reative protein reading.
As i noted yesterday in my response to "J":
"I need to correct this. Upon rereading the email I received, it
appears I mistook and misread the case described as a new case, but
most likely was a duplication of the Imus case...the writer was
almost
certainly referring to
Imus when I thought he was referring to another case.
"My apologies for the error."
>
> --
> PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
> Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
> RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins
> PSA <.1 <.1 <.1 .27 .37 .75 PSAD 0.19 years
> EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
> PSA .34 .22 .15 .21 .32 PSAD .056 years
> Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 and every 4 months there after
> PSA .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132 .145 PSAD 1.4 years
> Casodex added daily 07/06
> PSA undetectable since, < 0.04 on 10/09/08
> Illegitimati non carborundum
As i noted yesterday in my response to "J":
"I need to correct this. Upon rereading the email I received, it
appears I mistook and misread the case described as a new case, but
most likely was a duplication of the Imus case...the writer was
almost
certainly referring to
Imus when I thought he was referring to another case.
"My apologies for the error."
awthrawthr
> On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 21:29:12 -0700 (PDT), awthrawthr <awthraw...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >I have said over and over to everyone in here that you CHOOSE what you
> >want to do. The information I have put out is there for you to partake
> >or not partake. I know for a fact that the ones who do partake will
> >get better.
>
> >And that way this recipe will spread.
>
> This is wath many mafiosi tell.
>
> It is a plain lie. It is a lie because they give wrong advice and by this wrong
> advice mislead others.
When Imus tells his story, it will be the truth of his own case.
Others will do the same as a result, and will tell the truth of their
experience.
>
> Just try it: Go around and tell people that you can fly - and sell courses for
> learing how to fly.
I don't sell my recipe. I've told you that more than once. It is FREE.
awthrawthr
wrote:
> question forlyou kelley
>
> why should you start using that level of derogatory language?
>
> and, to point to the issue -
>
> semantics is all one has when only able to 'read' rather than have
> personal face contact to lend shading to what is said.
Here's why I call you a thick headed moron. My very first entry has a
link to the AUDIO of Imus's comments. So you don't merely have the
ability to "read" his words.
>
> i gave you the actual definition of 'holistic' one which does not square
> with your usage. i didn't belittle you, nor did i call you names.
>
> i 'did' say that your 'position' was silly, since it does not provide
> actual facts concerning his ongoing treatment modalities -
That is the type of false statement that results in your getting
called names. Imus made it perfectly clear what he was doing and what
he wasn't doing, AND I've pointed it out to you at least twice...now
three times "Completely holisitic."
> if you can't handle vigorous, oppositional, yet civil discussion, then
> you need to stop wasting 'my' time, just post, and never ever respond to
> that which is posted in return.
If you're going to behave like a jerk, expect to get called on it. On
top of that you have a habit of top posting, which makes you a real
dope.
> >>>> self—physical, mental, emotional, spiritual. Generally, however,
awthrawthr
> Habaneros pepper is claimed to be the hottest pepper in the world. In other
> words, it is very agressive to you stomach. Large quantities can cause
> stomach cancer. So, in the end, William Kelley Eidem, aka "awthrawthr" may
> be right. You may not die from prostate cancer, but possibly from stomach
> cancer. I am not sure that this is an advantage...
If one were to eat really hot peppers every day for long periods of
time, it certainly will make them less active or even inactive towards
fighting cancer. That's why I don't endorse following my recipe for
more than a couple weeks if one doesn't have cancer.
>
> By the way, I am still curious how Mr. Eidem got to name himself awthrawthr.
> That is surely an unusual alias.
AwthrAwthr is a phonetic spelling for Author! Author!