Amalgam Breakthrough
Jan
AMALGAM BREAKTHROUGH!The Swedish governement started in the autumn 2002 a new
evaluation of dental materials and how patients who consider themselves sick
from amalgam fare in the health care system. A safety evaluation of dental
amalgam has just been published (april 25, 2003). Prof. Maths Berlin, former
WHO leading expert on effects of mercury, was given the the task of evaluating
amalgam risks. The evaluation was presented on the front page of Dagens
Nyheter, leading swedish newspaper today (26 april): "Amalgam hazard
underestimated".
"The marginal of safety which researchers thought to be present with regards to
health effects of amalgam does not exist. Sensitive persons can be damaged
because of mercury in their mouths." Maths Berlin: "I think that amalgam as
soon as possible should be banned in the whole European Union. Every medical
doctor and dentist should consider whether mercury from amalgam could be a
contributing factor when they meet patients with unclear diseases and diseases
which involve the immune system." "regarding the risk for retardation of brain
development it is not according to science and standard of care to place
amalgam fillings in children and fertile women." "Mercury is a multipotent
poison with effects on several levels of cell function and therefore unsuitable
as a dental filling material." Comment: for a licensed dentist to practice
contrary to science and standard of care is considered quackery and leads to
diciplinary action! Mats Hanson The risk evaluation (in swedish) can be found
at www.dentalmaterial.gov.se
Cilonen
available in English at the site listed at the bottom of Jan's text. As you
can see, the findings have (again) been abridged/edited/misquoted by Jan. In
addition, several of the references and results of studies examined and
reviewed in this paper have been given lesser credence than others within
the summary. I'm sure you can all guess which these are.......
PAPER COMMENCES:
There are no scientific grounds for assuming that the prevalence of
clinically demonstrable effects of mercury exposure from dental amalgam
exceeds 10 per cent.
No known epidemiological population study has demonstrated any
adverse health effects in amalgam bearers.
It is probable that, besides local hypersensitivity reactions, mercury in
amalgam fillings exerts side-effects just like most potent pharmaceuticals.
Some support for this conclusion is to be found in clinical observations
reported to date. At a rate that is probably below 10 per cent,
however,these side-effects cannot be demonstrated by means of
population-based
epidemiological studies.
Alzheimer's disease
The question of whether mercury exposure from amalgam can cause
Alzheimer's disease (AD) has been raised. This is because some in vitro
studies
have found effects of inorganic mercury on nerve tissue that resemble those
seen
in Alzheimer's.
In a study of 68 Alzheimer's patients and 33 controls, no significant
difference
was detected between the patients and controls in terms of mercury
concentrations in the various parts of the brain. Nor was there any
difference
with respect to the presence of amalgam fillings (Saxe et al. 1999).
Another study involved a comparison of mercury concentrations in blood
between 33 Alzheimer's patients on the one hand and, first, a group of 45
patients suffering from depression and, secondly, a group of 65 patients
with a
variety of non-psychiatric illnesses, on the other. The mercury
concentrations
were more than twice as high in the Alzheimer's patients as in both the
control
groups. Nevertheless, no association was found between elevated mercury
concentrations and the presence of amalgam fillings (Hock et al. 1998).
Autoimmune diseases
The tendency of mercury to induce autoimmunity gives rise to suspicion that
mercury may boost the risk of autoimmune diseases, such as multiple
sclerosis
(MS). In a Canadian case-reference study, this hypothesis was tested (Bangsi
et
al. 1998). The findings of this survey, which covered 143 MS patients and
128
controls, provided no support for the hypothesis. True, persons with more
than
15 fillings showed an excess risk of 2.57 times the risk of getting MS among
persons without fillings, but this difference was not statistically
significant.
Similar results were obtained in an Italian survey comprising 132 MS
patients
and 423 controls (Casetta et al. 2001). A British survey of 39 female MS
patients and 62 matched controls showed a significant correlation between
the
prevalence of caries and the risk of MS. However, no significant difference
was
found between the MS patients and the controls in terms of how many amalgam
fillings they had (McGrother et al. 1999).
Side-effects and their incidence
"Side-effect" is a clinical pharmacological term relating to unintended
repercussions over and above the therapeutic effect. In toxicology,
reference is
made to especially sensitive populations, who have a dose-response
association
and/or a way of reacting that significantly deviates from the majority of
the
population. These deviant populations may be conditioned by genetic
differences, age and gender differences or pathological states.
The fact that a person feels ill as a result of amalgam fillings may be due
to
various factors. It may be because the person perceives a connection between
the symptoms and the oral cavity, or that the symptoms are connected with a
dentist's manipulations. Alternatively, amalgam may be perceived as an
explanation for malaise of a different origin, if a credible explanation is
sought.
Research has been carried out to find methods of distinguishing between
these
alternative explanations.
Clinical surveys
In a summary of just over 400 patients referred to Huddinge Hospital with
suspicion of amalgam-related conditions, the authors consider that some 30
per
cent of cases were attributable to diagnoses other than amalgam influence.
These
diagnoses included, for example, heart disease, chronic collagenosis,
neurological disease and cancer; in the authors' opinion, these could
explain the
patients' condition. In other cases, there was speculation about the causes
and it
was found that the summary did not support the hypothesis that amalgam had
contributed to the patients' pathological condition. The argument for this
was
that no connection between their symptoms and elevated mercury
concentrations
in their blood or urine were demonstrable (Langworth et al. 2002).
This survey supports the hypothesis that, among those who believe themselves
to be suffering as a result of amalgam, the true cause is not always
amalgam.
However, it does not rule out the possibility that amalgam influence can be
found in some of these persons. The diagnoses mentioned in this study
include
impaired thyroid function, oral lichen, kidney disease, fatigue, vertigo,
somatisation tendency, depression and anxiety - all of which are symptoms
that may be associated with mercury exposure.
A Swedish prospective cross-section study of 1,462 women aged 38O60 was
conducted, with a follow-up after five years. In this study, no correlation
was
found between symptoms and exposure to mercury from amalgam (Ahlqwist et al.
1999). The yardstick of exposure used was the mercury content of serum, and
effects were gauged by responses to a questionnaire concerning symptoms.
The statistical sensitivity of this Swedish study is much greater, but the
effect
measure is relatively insensitive and the dose measure less specific than in
the
chelation study. Nevertheless, it should be emphasised that the effects
referred
to here are subclinical effects, i.e. observed functional impairment, and
that the
symptoms fall within the normal variation in the population. Accordingly,
these
effects can be demonstrated only at group level.
At present it may be considered unproven, but not excluded, that subclinical
psychomotor functional impairment caused by mercury is demonstrable in
groups at the mean exposure level for amalgam bearers.
Influence on the immune system
Published surveys of the association between amalgam and multiple sclerosis
are of limited sensitivity, but appear to rule out amalgam as a major
aetiological
factor in the development of MS. Available clinical information provides no
guidance as to whether mercury from amalgam can affect the course of the
disease of MS.
Experimental data prompt the question of whether removing amalgam in the
event of autoimmune diseases is justified. No general reply to this question
can
be given; instead, in the current situation the circumstances must be
weighed up
in each individual case. Nevertheless, it would seem imperative for
clinicians to
bear this option in mind.
Varying sensitivity between individuals
The most probable side-effect of amalgam seems to be a reaction mediated by
the immune system. This does not exclude the possibility of genetically
conditioned high sensitivity to mercury in the nervous system. Mercury is
not
the only environmental factor that provokes an immune-system-mediated
reaction. Other metals and organic molecules can also induce such reactions
in
sensitive individuals.
There are no facts indicating that all those who believe that they are
affected by
amalgam are in fact so affected. It is therefore more probable that, for
many
people, the symptoms have other causes. But it is also likely that many
people
with side-effects from amalgam fillings are unaware of a causal connection.
There is no evidence that the frequency of pathological side-effects of
amalgam
due to genetically conditioned high sensitivity exceeds 1%. It is therefore
impossible to demonstrate these states by means of epidemiological studies
of
representative population samples. It is unclear whether subclinical
influence on
mood and motor function can be caused by the mercury concentrations to which
amalgam bearers are exposed.
Summary and conclusions
The past five years' research has yielded further evidence that amalgam can
give
rise to side-effects in a sensitive portion of the population.
Removal of existing amalgam fillings should not be undertaken unless there
are
medical reasons for doing so. The reason is that the risk of complications
from
the removal may exceed the risk of side-effects from the amalgam. The risk
of
removal is due mainly to the fact that dental substance is drilled away,
which
may itself result in problems with existing teeth.
It is imperative for doctors and dentists to be made aware of the fact that
all
dental restoration materials can give rise to side-effects, and that this
eventuality
should always be considered when the patient's pathological state is
unclear.
Side-effects may conceivably both cause, and be contributory factors in,
various
pathological states.
Mercury exposure from amalgam is only one of many conceivable agents that
may conceivably induce syndromes that are difficult to diagnose.
"Jan" <jdrew...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Jan
>From: "Cilonen" cilone...@yahoo.co.uk
>Date: 6/4/2003 8:09 AM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <eemDa.2164$gz6.2...@newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net>
>
>OK, here are sections of the paper Jan refers to, the full copy of which is
>available in English at the site listed at the bottom of Jan's text. As you
>can see, the findings have (again) been abridged/edited/misquoted by Jan
I did NONE of the above!
As anyone can see I posted the URL to the full text.
Please stop LYING!
Jan
carabelli
> I did NONE of the above!
Certainly you did, it is quite obvious. You cherry picked what you wanted
and posted it. I don't care that you posted the URL. It was typical cherry
picked cut and paste.
carabelli
Jan
>From: "carabelli" hue...@worldnet.att.net
>Date: 6/4/2003 6:58 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <iIvDa.110612$cO3.8...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
Pure BS and LIES!!!
Jan
carabelli
wanted
> >and posted it. I don't care that you posted the URL. It was typical
cherry
> >picked cut and paste.
> >
> >carabelli
>
> Pure BS and LIES!!!
>
> Jan
No, not so. You have never been bashful about posting something in its'
entirety before. Why not this time? Very obvious to the rest of us.
carabelli
Jan
>Message-id: <MoyDa.187465$ja4.9...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
>
>> >Certainly you did, it is quite obvious. You cherry picked what you
>wanted
>> >and posted it. I don't care that you posted the URL. It was typical
>cherry
>> >picked cut and paste.
>> >
>> >carabelli
>>
>> Pure BS and LIES!!!
>>
>> Jan
>
>No, not so.
Yes, it is, I posted the entire article, the URL at the bottom included, for
all to read.
> You have never been bashful about posting something in its'
>entirety before. Why not this time? Very obvious to the rest of us.
>
>carabelli
>
See above.
You are desperate and lying.
Jan
Jan
>From: jdrew...@aol.com (Jan)
>Date: 6/4/2003 6:33 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <20030604193347...@mb-m04.aol.com>
I don't read Swedish. Where you got the English version, I don't know.
Jan
Jan
>From: WubbaBubba No...@nowhere.net
>Date: 6/4/2003 10:47 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <3aftdv0g35phemei0...@4ax.com>
>
>
>Thank you for reviewing this article and pointing
>this out.
>WB
What he pointed out was a LIE.
I posted the entire article with the URL at the bottom, I don't read Swedish,
and his claims are false.
>Remember:
>
>m. Kooks have poor reading comprehension skills.
Oh knock it off,, it is getting old.
The amalgam breakthough is the subject.
Read yourself and learn something.
http://www.toxicteeth.net/natCamp_IntScene_SwedenNews.cfm
AMALGAM BREAKTHROUGH!The Swedish governement started in the autumn 2002 a new
evaluation of dental materials and how patients who consider themselves sick
from amalgam fare in the health care system. A safety evaluation of dental
amalgam has just been published (april 25, 2003). Prof. Maths Berlin, former
WHO leading expert on effects of mercury, was given the the task of evaluating
amalgam risks. The evaluation was presented on the front page of Dagens
Nyheter, leading swedish newspaper today (26 april): "Amalgam hazard
underestimated".
"The marginal of safety which researchers thought to be present with regards to
health effects of amalgam does not exist. Sensitive persons can be damaged
because of mercury in their mouths." Maths Berlin: "I think that amalgam as
soon as possible should be banned in the whole European Union. Every medical
doctor and dentist should consider whether mercury from amalgam could be a
contributing factor when they meet patients with unclear diseases and diseases
which involve the immune system." "regarding the risk for retardation of brain
development it is not according to science and standard of care to place
amalgam fillings in children and fertile women." "Mercury is a multipotent
poison with effects on several levels of cell function and therefore unsuitable
as a dental filling material." Comment: for a licensed dentist to practice
contrary to science and standard of care is considered quackery and leads to
diciplinary action! Mats Hanson The risk evaluation (in swedish) can be found
at www.dentalmaterial.gov.se
Jan
Cilonen
www.dentalmaterial.gov.se
Shame you didn't take the time to examine the article fully, instead simply
quoting another article referring to it!
"Jan" <jdrew...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Cilonen
And afterward you can apologise to each poster you've called a liar!
"Jan" <jdrew...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Jan
>Message-id: <6BEDa.24$by...@newsfep1-gui.server.ntli.net>
>
>I got the English version from the web site YOU listed:
>www.dentalmaterial.gov.se
>Shame you didn't take the time to examine the article fully, instead simply
>quoting another article referring to it!
No there is no shame, what I posted was what I found on another website.
The Conclusions were of utmost importance.
http://www.toxicteeth.net/natCamp_IntScene_SwedenNews.cfm
AMALGAM BREAKTHROUGH!The Swedish governement started in the autumn 2002 a new
evaluation of dental materials and how patients who consider themselves sick
from amalgam fare in the health care system. A safety evaluation of dental
amalgam has just been published (april 25, 2003). Prof. Maths Berlin, former
WHO leading expert on effects of mercury, was given the the task of evaluating
amalgam risks. The evaluation was presented on the front page of Dagens
Nyheter, leading swedish newspaper today (26 april): "Amalgam hazard
underestimated".
***"The marginal of safety which researchers thought to be present with regards
to
health effects of amalgam does not exist.***
Sensitive persons can be damaged
because of mercury in their mouths." Maths Berlin:
****"I think that amalgam as
soon as possible should be banned in the whole European Union. Every medical
doctor and dentist should consider whether mercury from amalgam could be a
contributing factor when they meet patients with unclear diseases and diseases
which involve the immune system." "regarding the risk for retardation of brain
development it is not according to science and standard of care to place
amalgam fillings in children and fertile women." "Mercury is a multipotent
poison with effects on several levels of cell function and therefore unsuitable
as a dental filling material."***
*** Comment: for a licensed dentist to practice
contrary to science and standard of care is considered quackery and leads to
diciplinary action! ****
Mats Hanson The risk evaluation (in swedish) can be found
at www.dentalmaterial.gov.se
It is interesting you have no posting history.
Ho hum.
Jan
Jan
>From: "Cilonen" cilone...@yahoo.co.uk
>Date: 6/5/2003 5:07 AM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <ACEDa.31$by5...@newsfep1-gui.server.ntli.net>
>
>Go to the site and read the article for yourself then.
>And afterward you can apologise to each poster you've called a liar!
I give apologies when they are due. What the poster said was clearly a lie.
I snipped nothing, I editied nothing, I changed nithing, and I certainly don't
owe any apology to Dan or Bubba as they are always insulting.
Maybe you owe me one, because you believe they and you have proof of no such
thing.
Troll.
Jan
Karuna
> OK, here are sections of the paper Jan refers to, the full copy of which
> is available in English at the site listed at the bottom of Jan's text.
Here is the link JD provided at the beginning of the post:
http://www.toxicteeth.net/natCamp_IntScene_SwedenNews.cfm
Then the content of that link is presented (her post, start of thread).
Nothing is changed.
> As you can see, the findings have (again) been abridged/edited/misquoted
> by Jan.
Not true.
---
She included the Swedish link provided on the page:
http://www.dentalmaterial.gov.se/
(J.D, do you know how to open a pdf? RIGHT click on the link (top right
section of the page, in English, starts "Mercury in Dental Fillings"), save
to a folder, then open the folder, then the pdf.)
Karuna
> http://www.dentalmaterial.gov.se/
>
> (J.D, do you know how to open a pdf? RIGHT click on the link (top right
> section of the page, in English, starts "Mercury in Dental Fillings"),
> save to a folder, then open the folder, then the pdf.)
However, Do NOT post the content of the pdf.
Very seriously.
Read it, comment on it, post excerpts, but DON'T post it.
P.d.f.s often have a *strict* copyright over them, and disregarding that can
result in heavy fines, so I was once told. That may be one reason they are
secured a little more carefully.
Karuna
> OK, here are sections of the paper Jan refers to, the full copy of which
> is available in English at the site listed at the bottom of Jan's text. As
> you can see, the findings have (again) been abridged/edited/misquoted by
> Jan.
Not true.
> In addition, several of the references and results of studies examined and
> reviewed in this paper have been given lesser credence than others within
> the summary. I'm sure you can all guess which these are.......
"Cilonen" appears to be questioning the exactitude of the news copy.
Yet certain details of that post were not clarified. One was this:
> PAPER COMMENCES:
> There are no scientific grounds for assuming that the prevalence of
> clinically demonstrable effects of mercury exposure from dental amalgam
> exceeds 10 per cent.
The paper is titled, "Mercury in dental-filling materials -- an updated
risk analysis in environmental medical terms" Maths Berlin
"An overview of scientific literature published in
1997-2002 and current knowledge"
The first three sections are
1. Background, 2. Summary of the 1997 Risk Analysis, and
3. New Research Findings
[Sections under "New Research Findings" include:
Studies in Molecular Biology, The Nervous System, The Immune System and
Blood Cells, and others which include Gender Differences and Side Effects.]
"Cilonen" wrote:
> PAPER COMMENCES:
> There are no scientific grounds for assuming that the prevalence of
> clinically demonstrable effects of mercury exposure from dental amalgam
> exceeds 10 per cent.
That selected excerpt is actually from Section 2, Summary of 1997 Risk
Analysis. Not from the Background (Section 1), and not from New Research
Findings in Section 3, which are the subject of the paper. It is not from
the introductory paragraph of the 1997 findings, nor even from the first
two content paragraphs of that '97 section. None of which would matter too
much if there had been clarification that it was from the Summary of the
1997
Analysis.
> No known epidemiological population study has demonstrated any
> adverse health effects in amalgam bearers.
That too is from the "Summary of 1997 risk analysis".
As is this next section:
> It is probable that, besides local hypersensitivity reactions, mercury in
> amalgam fillings exerts side-effects just like most potent
> pharmaceuticals. Some support for this conclusion is to be found in
> clinical observations reported to date. At a rate that is probably below
> 10 per cent, however,these side-effects cannot be demonstrated by means of
> population-based epidemiological studies.
All from the 1997 analysis summary.
Karuna
> from the 1997 analysis summary.
From the present analysis summary:
First refers to molecular biology and elucidation of mechanisms.
Secondly, to the immune system. Rodent studies have helped clarify mechanism
of effects, those on occupationally exposed workers have "confirmed
subclinical influence... at low levels"
Third, to the thyroid, the target for toxicity in o.e. workers.
Subsequent refs are to build up in the retina; clarification of a
dose-effect link; neuropsychological symptoms at low exposure levels
Then is reference to the "lowest exposure, in terms of urinary mercury
secretion": "The safety margin that it was thought existed with
respect to mercury exposure from amalgam has been erased."
There is suggestion that "exposure causes lasting damage to the central
nervous system..." There is reference to a "remarkably high degree of
polymorphism in human reactions..."; to demonstrated gender differences;
to the possible effects on foetal development; and to variations in
sensitivity.
Mercury is described as a "multipotent toxin with effects on several levels
of the biochemical dynamics of the cell" and an "unsuitable material"...
Cilonen
1. By "the paper Jan refers to" I meant the full research article at the
bottom of the post, NOT the news clipping. News agencies report what they
see as newsworthy, which isn't necessarily the same as the facts.
2. "Paper commences" was written to inform readers where the excerpts of the
article started. I gave the full website location and would urge anyone to
read the full article.
3. Your quotes & excerpts were from the 1997 summary, granted, but only
these first 3. The remaining 14 paragraphs were from the 2002 results,
including:
Alzheimer's disease
.....Nevertheless, no association was found between elevated mercury
concentrations and the presence of amalgam fillings (Hock et al. 1998).
Autoimmune diseases
The tendency of mercury to induce autoimmunity gives rise to suspicion that
mercury may boost the risk of autoimmune diseases, such as multiple
sclerosis
(MS). In a Canadian case-reference study, this hypothesis was tested (Bangsi
et
al. 1998). The findings of this survey, which covered 143 MS patients and
128
controls, provided no support for the hypothesis. True, persons with more
than
15 fillings showed an excess risk of 2.57 times the risk of getting MS among
persons without fillings, but this difference was not statistically
significant.
Similar results were obtained in an Italian survey comprising 132 MS
patients
and 423 controls (Casetta et al. 2001). A British survey of 39 female MS
patients and 62 matched controls showed a significant correlation between
the
prevalence of caries and the risk of MS. However, no significant difference
was
found between the MS patients and the controls in terms of how many amalgam
fillings they had (McGrother et al. 1999).
Side-effects and their incidence
.....The fact that a person feels ill as a result of amalgam fillings may be
A Swedish prospective cross-section study of 1,462 women aged 38-60 was
conducted, with a follow-up after five years. In this study, no correlation
was
found between symptoms and exposure to mercury from amalgam (Ahlqwist et al.
1999).
Influence on the immune system
Published surveys of the association between amalgam and multiple sclerosis
are of limited sensitivity, but appear to rule out amalgam as a major
aetiological
factor in the development of MS. Available clinical information provides no
guidance as to whether mercury from amalgam can affect the course of the
disease of MS.
There are no facts indicating that all those who believe that they are
affected by
amalgam are in fact so affected. It is therefore more probable that, for
many
people, the symptoms have other causes. But it is also likely that many
people
with side-effects from amalgam fillings are unaware of a causal connection.
There is no evidence that the frequency of pathological side-effects of
amalgam
due to genetically conditioned high sensitivity exceeds 1%. It is therefore
impossible to demonstrate these states by means of epidemiological studies
of
representative population samples. It is unclear whether subclinical
influence on
mood and motor function can be caused by the mercury concentrations to which
amalgam bearers are exposed.
Now for the important bit - the CONCLUSIONS:
Summary and conclusions
The past five years' research has yielded further evidence that amalgam can
give
rise to side-effects in a sensitive portion of the population.
Removal of existing amalgam fillings should not be undertaken unless there
are
medical reasons for doing so. The reason is that the risk of complications
from
the removal may exceed the risk of side-effects from the amalgam. The risk
of
removal is due mainly to the fact that dental substance is drilled away,
which
may itself result in problems with existing teeth.
Mercury exposure from amalgam is only one of many conceivable agents that
may conceivably induce syndromes that are difficult to diagnose.
Quote from Jan - "The Conclusions were of utmost importance." 6/6/03 04:03
posting
Shame then that the "conclusions" she posted were NOT from the actual
research article, but from the newspaper article, and bear little
resemblance to the actual findings.
C.
"Karuna" <kar...@ihug.com.au> wrote in message
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Cilonen
> >Subject: Re: Amalgam Breakthrough
> >From: "Cilonen" cilone...@yahoo.co.uk
> >Date: 6/5/2003 5:06 AM Central Standard Time
> >Message-id: <6BEDa.24$by...@newsfep1-gui.server.ntli.net>
> >
> >I got the English version from the web site YOU listed:
> >www.dentalmaterial.gov.se
> >Shame you didn't take the time to examine the article fully, instead
simply
> >quoting another article referring to it!
>
> No there is no shame, what I posted was what I found on another website.
>
> The Conclusions were of utmost importance.
>
>
> Ho hum.
>
> Jan
>
Perhaps that's because I have a life!
Incidentally, I do have a posting history - you have argued several points
with me before. You didn't fare any better then either ;-)
C.
Cilonen
yourself and learn the truth.....
"Jan" <jdrew...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Jan
>From: "Karuna" kar...@ihug.com.au
>Date: 6/6/2003 1:40 AM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <bbpd17$frn$1...@lust.ihug.co.nz>
Yes, I saw nothing in English when going there, so I didn't click anything on.
These guys are just desperate to find something wrong. They made false
accusations. Nothing new.
Thanks,
Jan
Jan
>From: "Cilonen" cilone...@yahoo.co.uk
>Date: 6/6/2003 4:58 AM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <0m%Da.6932$gz6.1...@newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net>
I quoted word for word from
http://www.toxicteeth.net/natCamp_IntScene_SwedenNews.cfm
I said nothing about conclusions in my orignal post.
You then posted:
OK, here are sections of the paper Jan refers to, the full copy of which is
available in English at the site listed at the bottom of Jan's text. As you
can see, the findings have (again) been abridged/edited/misquoted by Jan. In
addition, several of the references and results of studies examined and
reviewed in this paper have been given lesser credence than others within
the summary. I'm sure you can all guess which these are.......
That is a LIE!
As you can see, the findings have (again) been abridged/edited/misquoted by
Jan.
I abriged/edited/misquoted NOTHING!
Furthmore, I don't know where you got the (again)?????
Please stop LYING!!!
Jan
Jan
>Message-id: <_l%Da.6930$gz6.1...@newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net>
>
>
>"Jan" <jdrew...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:20030605230356...@mb-m28.aol.com...
>> >Subject: Re: Amalgam Breakthrough
>> >From: "Cilonen" cilone...@yahoo.co.uk
>> >Date: 6/5/2003 5:06 AM Central Standard Time
>> >Message-id: <6BEDa.24$by...@newsfep1-gui.server.ntli.net>
>> >
>> >I got the English version from the web site YOU listed:
>> >www.dentalmaterial.gov.se
>> >Shame you didn't take the time to examine the article fully, instead
>simply
>> >quoting another article referring to it!
>>
>> No there is no shame, what I posted was what I found on another website.
>>
>> The Conclusions were of utmost importance.
>>
>> It is interesting you have no posting history.
>>
>> Ho hum.
>>
>> Jan
>>
>
>Perhaps that's because I have a life!
Or perhaps, you are an old poster here, or a troll.
Interesting that you just popped in to LIE about Jan. It has been done numerous
times.
>Incidentally, I do have a posting history - you have argued several points
>with me before. You didn't fare any better then either ;-)
>
>C.
You have NOT posted under this name on this ng.
Furthmore, you faired very poorly since it is clear you LIED.
I suspect you are pisswisher, who was reported and disappeared.
Jan
Jan
>Message-id: <%l%Da.6931$gz6.1...@newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net>
>
>I notice you'd rather accuse others of lying
I accused YOU of LYING, because you did!!!!!
>than read the article for
>yourself and learn the truth.....
The truth is:
> AMALGAM BREAKTHROUGH!The Swedish governement started in the autumn 2002 a
new
> evaluation of dental materials and how patients who consider themselves
sick
> from amalgam fare in the health care system. A safety evaluation of dental
> amalgam has just been published (april 25, 2003). Prof. Maths Berlin,
former
> WHO leading expert on effects of mercury, was given the the task of
evaluating
> amalgam risks. The evaluation was presented on the front page of Dagens
> Nyheter, leading swedish newspaper today (26 april):
***"Amalgam hazard underestimated".***
>
>*** "The marginal of safety which researchers thought to be present with
regards to
> health effects of amalgam does not exist.****
*** Sensitive persons can be damaged
> because of mercury in their mouths." ***
Maths Berlin: "I think that amalgam
as
> soon as possible should be banned in the whole European Union.
*** Every medical doctor and dentist should consider whether mercury from
amalgam could be a
> contributing factor when they meet patients with unclear diseases and
diseases
> which involve the immune system." ***
***"regarding the risk for retardation of
brain
> development it is not according to science and standard of care to place
> amalgam fillings in children and fertile women."****
**** "Mercury is a multipotent
> poison with effects on several levels of cell function and therefore
unsuitable
> as a dental filling material."****
Comment:
***for a licensed dentist to practice
> contrary to science and standard of care is considered quackery and leads
to
> diciplinary action!***
Mats Hanson The risk evaluation (in swedish) can be
found
> at www.dentalmaterial.gov.se
>
Jan
Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.
I do not care if Jan cherry-picks, but why does she always give us the
rotted, bird-eaten ones?
Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.
REPLY:
Its obvious Carabelli. Jan does not want to waste bandwidth!
Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.
wrote:
Actually this is not correct. There is no strict and not-strict
definitions when it comes to copyright. That is like saying Kosher and
kinda-kosher.
Copyright is copyright. There are Fair Use exceptions ..........
Copyright Law of 1979.
As for Kosher, well there is no Fair Use for ham and cheese ......
(that would be UNkosher as in milk and meat together ...)
An example of Unkosher within dentistry would be using a
Zinc-Oxide/Eugenol base under a composite restoration ~ the solvent
would destroy the composite ...... definitely NOT Kosher!
Joel M. Eichen DDS
Karuna
> >can result in heavy fines, so I was once told. That may be one reason
> > they are secured a little more carefully.
> >
>
> Actually this is not correct. There is no strict and not-strict
> definitions when it comes to copyright. That is like saying Kosher and
> kinda-kosher.
>
> Copyright is copyright. There are Fair Use exceptions ..........
> Copyright Law of 1979.
Ok, that being so, is there a copyright over this Risk Analysis file?
I've looked through it and cannot find one.
Karuna
> is there a copyright over this Risk Analysis file?
> I've looked through it and cannot find one.
The Dental Material Commission --Care and Consideration
Mercury in dental-filling materials-- an updated risk analysis
in environmental medical terms
Maths Berlin
An overview of scientific literature published in 1997-2002
and current knowledge
----
From the 1997 Risk Analysis summary:
Mercury is thus a multipotent cytotoxin that intervenes in the primary
processes of the cell. This creates scope for a broad spectrum of possible
side-effects. The analysis performed in 1997 identified the following health
risks from mercury in dental fillings:
. Risk of impairment in the functions of the central nervous system.
. Risk of impairment in kidney function.
. Risk of impairment in the immune system.
. Risk of impairment in foetal development, especially development of the
nervous system.
----
From the 2002 Risk Analysis summary:
. Research in molecular biology has elucidated mechanisms that may underlie
the toxic effects of mercury.
. Studies of the effects of mercury on the immune system in rodents have
enhanced knowledge of the mechanisms whereby mercury affects the
immune system. Clinical studies of occupationally exposed employees have
objectively confirmed subclinical influence of mercury on the immune
system at low levels of mercury exposure.
. The thyroid has been identified as the target organ for the toxic effect
of mercury in occupational exposure to mercury vapour in low doses.
. Experimental studies of primates and rodents have revealed that mercury is
accumulated and persists for years in the retina as a result of exposure to
mercury vapour. The consequences of this accumulation are, however,
unclear.
. Clinical studies of the effects of mercury on occupationally exposed
workers, using modern diagnostic methods, have elucidated the connection
between dose and effect. They have also identified and quantified
neuropsychological symptoms at low exposure levels.
. The lowest exposure, in terms of urinary mercury secretion, that has been
found to give rise to a demonstrable toxic effect has fallen from 30.50 痢/l
till 10.25 痢/l. Accordingly, the safety margin that it was thought existed
with respect to mercury exposure from amalgam has been erased.
. Studies of workers previously exposed to mercury have shown that
prolonged exposure to mercury vapour, with mercury concentrations in urine
of some 100 痢/l, may result in symptoms emanating from the nervous
system that persist decades after exposure has ceased. This suggests that
exposure causes lasting damage to the central nervous system, which
complicates the interpretation of results of low-dose studies of
occupationally exposed populations.
. Clinical reports of acute or subacute cases of mercury intoxication where
modern diagnostic methods have been applied have revealed a remarkably
high degree of polymorphism in human reactions to toxic mercury exposure.
. Both animal experiments and clinical observations have demonstrated gender
differences in the toxicokinetics of mercury.
. Additional facts have come to light that may indicate that mercury vapour
can affect human foetal development.
. Clinical provocation studies, with exposure to small quantities of mercury
through skin exposure or inhalation, have confirmed that individuals with
deviant high sensitivity exist.
With reference to the fact that mercury is a multipotent toxin with effects
on several levels of the biochemical dynamics of the cell, amalgam must be
considered to be an unsuitable material for dental restoration. This is
especially true since fully adequate and less toxic alternatives are
available.
With reference to the risk of inhibiting influence on the growing brain, it
is not compatible with science and well-tried experience to use amalgam
fillings in children and fertile women. Every doctor and dentist should,
where patients are suffering from unclear pathological states and autoimmune
diseases, consider whether side-effects from mercury released from amalgam
may be one contributory cause of the symptoms.
Cilonen
I have, in fact, been posting to this ng for nearly 5 years (probably longer
than you JD!) off & on. I just choose when to post based on how stupid the
subject matter (or poster) happens to be ;-)
>
> Furthmore, you faired very poorly since it is clear you LIED.
>
> I suspect you are pisswisher, who was reported and disappeared.
Nope, none of the above. Did disappear for a while to complete a MSc though.
This incidentally is where I learned to disseminate research articles and
recognise the biased, ill-informed rubbish that you seem to love.
C.
>
> Jan
Karuna
> An example of Unkosher within dentistry would be using a
> Zinc-Oxide/Eugenol base under a composite restoration ~ the solvent
> would destroy the composite ...... definitely NOT Kosher!
So, is use of the mercury-based dental amalgam Kosher?
"With reference to the fact that mercury is a multipotent toxin with effects
on several levels of the biochemical dynamics of the cell, amalgam must be
considered to be an unsuitable material for dental restoration. This is
especially true since fully adequate and less toxic alternatives are
available.
"With reference to the risk of inhibiting influence on the growing brain, it
is not compatible with science and well-tried experience to use amalgam
fillings in children and fertile women"
Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.
wrote:
>"Joel M. Eichen D.D.S." <joele...@yahoo.com> wrote
>> That is like saying Kosher and kinda-kosher.
>[##]
>> An example of Unkosher within dentistry would be using a
>> Zinc-Oxide/Eugenol base under a composite restoration ~ the solvent
>> would destroy the composite ...... definitely NOT Kosher!
>
>So, is use of the mercury-based dental amalgam Kosher?
Wait a minute, I got to call the Rabbi .......
>
>"With reference to the fact that mercury is a multipotent toxin with effects
>on several levels of the biochemical dynamics of the cell, amalgam must be
>considered to be an unsuitable material for dental restoration. This is
>especially true since fully adequate and less toxic alternatives are
>available.
And no epidemiologic evidence of harm either!
But yes, I prefer procelain inlays,,,, if my patients do not mind
paying for them. For those who do mind, I still have amalgam!
>
>"With reference to the risk of inhibiting influence on the growing brain, it
>is not compatible with science and well-tried experience to use amalgam
>fillings in children and fertile women"
Silly!
>
>
Joel M. Eichen, D.D.S.
Philadelphia PA
STANDARD DISCLAIMER applies ~
meaning no one HERE has seen the
tooth in question so take this
advice with a grain of salt!
Jan
>Message-id: <B_iFa.43$e16....@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net>
I repeat:
>> You have NOT posted under this name on this ng.
Jan
Cilonen
I repeat: Oh yes I have!
A quick trawl through my sent folder, cross referenced with smd, shows that
I have in fact posted 20 times under this name to this ng since just the
start of this year - and 11 of those were in response to your own postings!!
And you have the nerve to accuse dentists of being blind to the truth!
Perhaps the radiation from your monitor is affecting your eyesight......
Jan
>Date: 6/11/2003 12:24 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <QzJFa.396$__1....@newsfep1-gui.server.ntli.net>
<snip>
> >I have, in fact, been posting to this ng for nearly 5 years (probably
>longer
>> >than you JD!) off & on
>> I repeat:
>>
>> >> You have NOT posted under this name on this ng.
>>
>> Jan
>I repeat: Oh yes I have!
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=cilonen@yahoo%2Ccom+sci+med+dentistry&bt
nG=Google+Search&hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&scoring=d
Your search - cilonen@yahoo,com sci med dentistry - did not match any
documents.
Jan
>Date: 6/11/2003 12:28 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <mlpeev4p25vbs057n...@4ax.com>
>>> >
>>> >I have, in fact, been posting to this ng for nearly 5 years (probably
>>longer
>>> >than you JD!) off & on
>>>
>>> I repeat:
>>>
>>> >> You have NOT posted under this name on this ng.
>>>
>>> Jan
>>
>>I repeat: Oh yes I have!
>>
>>I have in fact posted 20 times under this name to this ng since just the
>>start of this year - and 11 of those were in response to your own postings!!
>>
>>And you have the nerve to accuse dentists of being blind to the truth!
>>
>>Perhaps the radiation from your monitor is affecting your eyesight......
>>
>>
Could be that he can't prove it, and this is your response to a lie.
You tell so many yourself, you don't know the truth from a lie.
Jan
carabelli
"group:sci.med.dentistry author:Cilonen"
Plenty of posts show up.
You really don't understand how to maximize Google's potential do you?
carabelli
Steven Fawks
Anyone has a right to post a message here without regard to 'history'.
Many professionals would be quite embarrassed to be associated with
J**.
I doubt any of my patients know about SMD (even if they did, I have
nothing to be ashamed of...except maybe the Jayhawk jokes). I have
nothing to lose.
Fawks
Jan
>From: "carabelli" hue...@worldnet.att.net
>Date: 6/11/2003 9:41 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <wLRFa.2111$3o3.1...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
>
>Post this into a google groups search.
>
>"group:sci.med.dentistry author:Cilonen"
I did.
Your search - "group:sci.med.dentistry author: Cilonen" - did not match any
documents.
And this is all a diversion from the subject.
http://www.toxicteeth.net/natCamp_IntScene_SwedenNews.cfm
AMALGAM BREAKTHROUGH!The Swedish governement started in the autumn 2002 a new
evaluation of dental materials and how patients who consider themselves sick
from amalgam fare in the health care system. A safety evaluation of dental
amalgam has just been published (april 25, 2003). Prof. Maths Berlin, former
WHO leading expert on effects of mercury, was given the the task of evaluating
amalgam risks. The evaluation was presented on the front page of Dagens
Nyheter, leading swedish newspaper today (26 april): "Amalgam hazard
underestimated".
"The marginal of safety which researchers thought to be present with regards to
health effects of amalgam does not exist. Sensitive persons can be damaged
because of mercury in their mouths." Maths Berlin: "I think that amalgam as
soon as possible should be banned in the whole European Union. Every medical
doctor and dentist should consider whether mercury from amalgam could be a
contributing factor when they meet patients with unclear diseases and diseases
which involve the immune system." "regarding the risk for retardation of brain
development it is not according to science and standard of care to place
amalgam fillings in children and fertile women." "Mercury is a multipotent
poison with effects on several levels of cell function and therefore unsuitable
as a dental filling material." Comment: for a licensed dentist to practice
contrary to science and standard of care is considered quackery and leads to
diciplinary action! Mats Hanson The risk evaluation (in swedish) can be found
at www.dentalmaterial.gov.se
Then the lies started.
As you can see, the findings have (again) been abridged/edited/misquoted by
Jan.
As anyone can see this is a blatant lie.
Jan
Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.
>>Could be that little transmitter located in the Aluminum Foil Hat.
>
>Could be that he can't prove it, and this is your response to a lie.
>
>You tell so many yourself, you don't know the truth from a lie.
>
>Jan
REPLY:
Lie, de-NILE, etc.
Joel M. Eichen, D.D.S.
Philadelphia PA
www.phillyducks.com
We’re Just A Duck Call Away!
STANDARD DISCLAIMER applies ~
meaning no one IN PENNSYLVANIA
has seen the tooth or teeth in
question so take this advice in
context ~ meaning with a grain
of salt or cream of wheat depending
on your preference!
Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.
(Not a pejorative remark ... a plea for Jan to listen to the dentists
and give up de-NILE .......)
Joel M. Eichen, D.D.S.
Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.
Jan's remarks were the diversion......
Who cares if its someone's very first post or his 50,000,0-00,000th?
Joel
On 12 Jun 2003 06:34:03 GMT, jdrew...@aol.com (Jan) wrote:
>>Subject: Re: Amalgam Breakthrough
>>From: "carabelli" hue...@worldnet.att.net
>>Date: 6/11/2003 9:41 PM Central Standard Time
>>Message-id: <wLRFa.2111$3o3.1...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
>>
>>Post this into a google groups search.
>>
>>"group:sci.med.dentistry author:Cilonen"
>
>I did.
>
>Your search - "group:sci.med.dentistry author: Cilonen" - did not match any
>documents.
>
>And this is all a diversion from the subject.
>
Joel M. Eichen, D.D.S.
Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.
Joel
Joel M. Eichen, D.D.S.
carabelli
> >Subject: Re: Amalgam Breakthrough
> >From: "carabelli" hue...@worldnet.att.net
> >Date: 6/11/2003 9:41 PM Central Standard Time
> >Message-id: <wLRFa.2111$3o3.1...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
> >
> >Post this into a google groups search.
> >
> >"group:sci.med.dentistry author:Cilonen"
>
> I did.
>
> Your search - "group:sci.med.dentistry author: Cilonen" - did not match
any
> documents.
>
> And this is all a diversion from the subject.
Then you are one of the masses that perpetuates jokes about clueless AOLers
Simple Google search that you aren't capable of doing. Don't blame us for
your internet inadequacies.
Jan
>Date: 6/12/2003 6:37 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <998Ga.3789$0v4.2...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
<snip>
>Simple Google search that you aren't capable of doing.
You tell many lies.
> Your search - "group:sci.med.dentistry author: Cilonen" - did not match
>any
>> documents.
If you have proof otherwise please post his posts.
Jan
Steven Fawks
control over who posts what, when, or where. The credibility of that
post is based upon *that* post. Not upon your interpretations or any
previous posting history.
I would say, "grow up", but evidently that ain't gonna happen.
Fawks
carabelli
Curious, you lecture how you have done your research on the web, yet you
can't do a simple search. Some people would come to the conclusion that you
must be completely incompetent.
Try this one brainchild.
http://makeashorterlink.com/?L1C6229E4
Your non-response will be considered acknowledgement.
carabelli
Jan
>From: Steven Fawks tuthj...@earthlink.net
>Date: 6/12/2003 10:41 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <3EE902...@earthlink.net>
>
>That is ridiculous anyway. This is the *INTERNET*. *YOU* don't have
>control over who posts what, when, or where. The credibility of that
>post is based upon *that* post. Not upon your interpretations or any
>previous posting history.
I repeat:
Steven Fawks
I have stated nothing on this subject to prove!
LOL,
Fawks
Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.
*IF* someone STATES!!!!!!! or does not STATE!!!!!!!!!
then check the fillings ,,, by a good alt provider ........
Joel
Joel M. Eichen, D.D.S.
Jan
>From: Steven Fawks tuthj...@earthlink.net
>Date: 6/12/2003 10:41 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <3EE902...@earthlink.net>
>
A claim was made, it needs to be backed up.
>*YOU* don't have
>control over who posts what, when, or where.
Not the issue, where did you come up with that??? Wo ever claimed *control*??
>The credibility of that
>post is based upon *that* post. Not upon your interpretations or any
>previous posting history.
I repeat: A claim was made, it need to be backed up.
>I would say, "grow up", but evidently that ain't gonna happen.
>
>Fawks
Insult and rambling about non subject noted.
Jan
Jan
>Message-id: <3EE9F10E...@earthlink.net>
>
>
>
>I have stated nothing on this subject to prove!
I was NOT posting to you! Please try to follow.
Jan
Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.
>>Subject: Re: Amalgam Breakthrough
>>From: Steven Fawks tuthj...@earthlink.net
>>Date: 6/13/2003 10:48 AM Central Standard Time
>>Message-id: <3EE9F10E...@earthlink.net>
>>
>>
>>
>>I have stated nothing on this subject to prove!
>
>I was NOT posting to you! Please try to follow.
>
>Jan
REPLY:
I know and therefore I am not answering your unquestion ......
Jan
>From: "carabelli" hue...@worldnet.att.net
>Date: 6/12/2003 11:07 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <%5cGa.3560$3o3.2...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
>
>
>"Jan" <jdrew...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:20030612232842...@mb-m19.aol.com...
>> >From: "carabelli" hue...@worldnet.att.net
>> >Date: 6/12/2003 6:37 PM Central Standard Time
>> >Message-id: <998Ga.3789$0v4.2...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> >Simple Google search that you aren't capable of doing.
>>
>> You tell many lies.
>>
>> > Your search - "group:sci.med.dentistry author: Cilonen" - did not match
>> >any
>> >> documents.
>>
>> If you have proof otherwise please post his posts.
>>
>> Jan
>
>Curious, you lecture how you have done your research on the web, yet you
>can't do a simple search.
I do searches all the time, (as you know) I left off the co. uk,,,,,,,,,,,,,and
so did you.
I see 3 replies to me, and a posting history of very few posts here.
He stated he was here some 5 years ago and had posted to me 20 times. That sure
doesn't show.
Furthermore please do post a lecture.
>
> Some people would come to the conclusion that you
>must be completely incompetent.
You would like to believe that because of my message, and you are a very nasty
man who does nothing but insult when replying to me. That is very childish just
because I had MP and still have PN from amalgams.
>Try this one brainchild.
Insult noted.
>http://makeashorterlink.com/?L1C6229E4
>
>Your non-response will be considered acknowledgement.
No problem.
Jan
Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.
Steven Fawks
*#$%^&*!
Fawks
Steven Fawks
Get a grip,
Steven Fawks
training! I did like shootin' those .45 autos.
;-)
Fawks
Jan
>From: Steven Fawks tuthj...@earthlink.net
>Date: 6/13/2003 11:17 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <3EEA5B...@earthlink.net>
>
>If you weren't posting to me, then don't reply right after my post!
>
>*#$%^&*!
>Fawks
Good Grief, when I reply to you, you will see your post.
I was not replying to you!
As anyone can see I was relying to carabelli
Subject: Re: Amalgam Breakthrough
From: jdrew...@aol.com (Jan)
Date: 6/12/2003 10:28 PM Central Standard Time
Message-id: <20030612232842...@mb-m19.aol.com>
Jan
>Message-id: <3EEA5B...@earthlink.net>
>
>Most people say more in two sentences than you do in two days.
>
>Get a grip,
>Fawks
You are the one who needs to get a grip. I wasn't replying to you, you got
confused.
Not me.
Jan
Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.
<tuthj...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>If you weren't posting to me, then don't reply right after my post!
>
>*#$%^&*!
>Fawks
>
Its clear. Jan was posting to Claude Hossenpfeffer from the
alt.tools.mechanics newsgroup.
If you ask, Jan will tell you its in the archives.
Joel
>Jan wrote:
>
>> >
>> >I have stated nothing on this subject to prove!
>>
>> I was NOT posting to you! Please try to follow.
>>
>> Jan
>>
>> >LOL,
>> >Fawks
Joel M. Eichen, D.D.S.
Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.
Joel
Joel M. Eichen, D.D.S.
Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.
Joel M. Eichen, D.D.S.
Cilonen
No, I stated that I had posted 20 times THIS year, only 11 of which were in
response to YOUR posts.
And that sure as hell does show on the google search. I would advise you to
see an optometrist for an eye test, but as I don't know any alternative
optom's to recommend I don't think the optometry NG's would appreciate the
aftermath!!
C.
Jan
>Date: 6/15/2003 10:00 AM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <IQ%Ga.1365$K92.5...@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net>
All *diversion* from the subject and the *LIES* told by Cilenon snipped.
http://www.toxicteeth.net/natCamp_IntScene_SwedenNews.cfm
AMALGAM BREAKTHROUGH!The Swedish governement started in the autumn 2002 a new
evaluation of dental materials and how patients who consider themselves sick
from amalgam fare in the health care system. A safety evaluation of dental
amalgam has just been published (april 25, 2003). Prof. Maths Berlin, former
WHO leading expert on effects of mercury, was given the the task of evaluating
amalgam risks.
***The evaluation was presented on the front page of Dagens
Nyheter, leading swedish newspaper today (26 april): "Amalgam hazard
underestimated". ****
***"The marginal of safety which researchers thought to be present with regards
to
health effects of amalgam does not exist.***
*** Sensitive persons can be damaged
because of mercury in their mouths."***
Maths Berlin: ***"I think that amalgam as
soon as possible should be banned in the whole European Union.***
*** Every medical
doctor and dentist should consider whether mercury from amalgam could be a
contributing factor when they meet patients with unclear diseases and
diseaseswhich involve the immune system." "regarding the risk for retardation
of brain
development it is not according to science and standard of care to place
amalgam fillings in children and fertile women."***
*** "Mercury is a
***multipotent poison****
with effects on several levels of cell function and therefore*** unsuitable
as a dental filling material."***
Comment: for a licensed dentist to practice
contrary to science and standard of care is considered quackery and leads to
diciplinary action! Mats Hanson The risk evaluation (in swedish) can be found
at www.dentalmaterial.gov.se
Jan
Steven Fawks
ment to reply to Dan.
*(#$%&^4%*&,
Fawks
Steven Fawks
:-)
Fawks
Steven Fawks
;-)
Fawks
>
> All *diversion* from the subject and the *LIES* told by Cilenon snipped.
>
> Jan
Jan
>Message-id: <3EED06...@earthlink.net>
>
>You just missed my reply and added on. You were replying to me when you
>ment to reply to Dan.
Wrong.
Jan
http://www.toxicteeth.net/natCamp_IntScene_SwedenNews.cfm
AMALGAM BREAKTHROUGH!The Swedish governement started in the autumn 2002 a new
evaluation of dental materials and how patients who consider themselves sick
from amalgam fare in the health care system. A safety evaluation of dental
amalgam has just been published (april 25, 2003). Prof. Maths Berlin, former
WHO leading expert on effects of mercury, was given the the task of evaluating
amalgam risks. The evaluation was presented on the front page of Dagens
Nyheter, leading swedish newspaper today (26 april): "Amalgam hazard
underestimated".
"The marginal of safety which researchers thought to be present with regards to
health effects of amalgam does not exist. Sensitive persons can be damaged
because of mercury in their mouths." Maths Berlin: "I think that amalgam as
soon as possible should be banned in the whole European Union. Every medical
doctor and dentist should consider whether mercury from amalgam could be a
contributing factor when they meet patients with unclear diseases and diseases
which involve the immune system." "regarding the risk for retardation of brain
development it is not according to science and standard of care to place
amalgam fillings in children and fertile women." "Mercury is a multipotent
poison with effects on several levels of cell function and therefore unsuitable
as a dental filling material." Comment: for a licensed dentist to practice
Jan
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>Hey dude, you're moving up!!
>
>;-)
>Fawks
Lies and diversion is moving up to some dentists.
They rattle on when the subject is too much to bear, and the truth is pointed
out.
Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.
On 16 Jun 2003 05:22:55 GMT, jdrew...@aol.com (Jan) wrote:
>>Subject: Re: Amalgam Breakthrough
>>From: Steven Fawks tuthj...@earthlink.net
>>Date: 6/15/2003 11:56 PM Central Standard Time
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>>Hey dude, you're moving up!!
>>
>>;-)
>>Fawks
>
>Lies and diversion is moving up to some dentists.
>
>They rattle on when the subject is too much to bear, and the truth is pointed
>out.
>
>
Joel M. Eichen, D.D.S.
Steven Fawks
doesn't carry any weight.
:-)
Fawks
Jan
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>Considering that I haven't used amalgam since *1985* that argument
>doesn't carry any weight.
>
>:-)
>Fawks
Wrong as usual, you still *deny* the risks of amalgams so you can maintain the
good ole boy and girl club.
Furthermore, I am not here to argue with the dentists.
Jan