cy·ber·net·ics ( sº”b…r-nµt“¹ks) n. used with a sing. verb 1. The theoretical study of communication and control processes in biological, mechanical, and electronic systems, especially the comparison of these processes in biological and artificial systems. [From Greek kubern¶t¶s governor from kubernan to govern] cy ”ber·net“ic adj. cy ”ber·net“i·cal· ly adv. cy ”ber·net“i·cist or cy ”ber·ne·ti“cian ( -n¹-t¹sh“…n) n.
But, then again............................
-- "Ignorance is bliss" Silent awareness is hell! Voiced or expressed, awareness is at least therapeutic. OAH Jr
P.S. No response required!! Just testing the funcionality of this system.
> 05-31-2000 OAHjr. wrote: >The American Heritage [R] Talking Dictionary >Cybernetics >cy·ber·net·ics ( sº”b…r-nµt“¹ks) n. used with a sing. verb 1. The >theoretical study of communication and control processes in biological, >mechanical, and electronic systems, especially the comparison of these >processes in biological and artificial systems. [From Greek kubern¶t¶s >governor from kubernan to govern] cy ”ber·net“ic adj. cy ”ber·net“i·cal· >ly adv. cy ”ber·net“i·cist or cy ”ber·ne·ti“cian ( -n¹-t¹sh“…n) n. >But, then again............................ >-- > "Ignorance is bliss" > Silent awareness is hell! > Voiced or expressed, awareness is at least therapeutic. > OAH Jr >P.S. No response required!! >Just testing the funcionality of this system.
Everything works except the spell check. That is on the fritz.
On 05-31-2000 Otto A. Horger Jr. <oa...@my-deja.com> wrote:
Hi Joel, (Dr. Eichen)
Thank you for your help with my computer related writing and learning experience. I can't blame the "fritz" on the spell check application, because I didn't use it. O--Oppps!!!! It was my fault for the inadvertent oversight! ;-)
>P.S. No response required!! >Just testing the funcionality of this system.
[functionality]
However, this slight oversight on my part did demonstrate that my presumed cyber-winter "fritz" or effect that I thought had come into play in, Ng's, smd, and asj-d, did not affect your keyboard.
Therefore, this gives us an opportunity to put the small talk and /or trivialities aside and to address the dental relatable issues that affect so many areas that are still unresolved for the many afflicted and otherwise.
As you might know, I have introduced an opposing viewpoint from the current "status quo" Dental occlusal application, concepts model, that has been routinely applied to the dental patient population, throughout modern dental application history.
This Dental occlusal concept and viewpoint originates from and through the Dental Technologically accessible components, primarily through accurately reproduced dental study casts (models) with appropriate jaw orientation records for reference purposes.
Moreover, this approach recognizes the conditional state through the study models components and provides for the analysis and the diagnostically relatable study model work ups to be carried out for transfer to the clinical side of dentistry.
Another point that I would like to bring into the discussion is the most relevant information that Dr. Hans Lennros provided regarding the information that I had requested from him concerning the "meta-analysis of all studies done on temporomandibular disorders so far."
Subject: Re: Research in TMJ Treatment>> Repost & Info. request for Dr. Hans Lennros from 01-06-2000) Date: 05/30/2000 Author: Hans Lennros <hans.lenn...@swipnet.se>
Therefore, from your understanding and your dental restorative application experiences in reference to dental occlusal treatments, as well as, splint related applications, what is your opinion or viewpoint of the information that Dr. Lennros has provide to this Ng. (With regard to this finding concerning the "meta-analysis of all studies done on temporomandibular disorders so far.")
Respectfully,
Otto A. Horger Jr.
P.S. Fritz: I somehow thought that you could speak German.
>> Forum: sci.med.dentistry >> Thread: cyber-winter or cybernetics in smd,asj-d --that is the question??? >> Message 52 of 59
Subject: Re: cyber-winter or cybernetics in smd,asj-d --that is the question??? Date: 05/31/2000 Author: Joel M. Eichen <jo...@earthlink.net> Otto A. Horger Jr. <oa...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> 05-31-2000 OAHjr. wrote: >The American Heritage [R] Talking Dictionary >Cybernetics >cy·ber·net·ics ( sº”b…r-nµt“¹ks) n. used with a sing. verb 1. The >theoretical study of communication and control processes in biological, >mechanical, and electronic systems, especially the comparison of these >processes in biological and artificial systems. [From Greek kubernts >governor from kubernan to govern] cy ”ber·net“ic adj. cy ”ber·net“i· cal· >ly adv. cy ”ber·net“i·cist or cy ”ber·ne·ti“cian ( -n¹-t¹sh“…n) n. >But, then again............................ >-- > "Ignorance is bliss" > Silent awareness is hell! > Voiced or expressed, awareness is at least therapeutic. > OAH Jr >P.S. No response required!! >Just testing the funcionality of this system.
Everything works except the spell check. That is on the fritz.
> >cy·ber·net·ics ( sº”b…r-nµt“¹ks) n. used with a sing. verb 1. The > >theoretical study of communication and control processes in biological, > >mechanical, and electronic systems, especially the comparison of these > >processes in biological and artificial systems. [From Greek kubern¶t¶s > >governor from kubernan to govern] cy ”ber·net“ic adj. cy ”ber·net“i· cal· > >ly adv. cy ”ber·net“i·cist or cy ”ber·ne·ti“cian ( -n¹-t¹sh“…n) n.
> >But, then again............................
> >-- > > "Ignorance is bliss" > > Silent awareness is hell! > > Voiced or expressed, awareness is at least therapeutic. > > OAH Jr
> >P.S. No response required!! > >Just testing the funcionality of this system.
> Everything works except the spell check. That is on the fritz.
On 05-31-2000 Otto A. Horger Jr. <oa...@my-deja.com> wrote:
O--Oppps!!! yet again, I hit send before preview so here are some other minor corrections.
> Therefore, from your understanding and your dental restorative > application experiences in reference to dental occlusal treatments, as > well as, splint related applications, what is your opinion or viewpoint > of the information that Dr. Lennros has [provide] --(provided)-- to this Ng. >(With regard to this finding concerning the "meta-analysis of all >studies done on temporomandibular disorders so far."
> On 05-31-2000 > Otto A. Horger Jr. <oa...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> Hi Joel, (Dr. Eichen)
> Thank you for your help with my computer related writing and learning > experience. > I can't blame the "fritz" on the spell check application, because I > didn't use it. > O--Oppps!!!! It was my fault for the inadvertent oversight! ;-)
> >P.S. No response required!! > >Just testing the funcionality of this system.
> [functionality]
> However, this slight oversight on my part did demonstrate that my > presumed cyber-winter "fritz" or effect that I thought had come into > play in, Ng's, smd, and asj-d, did not affect your keyboard.
> Therefore, this gives us an opportunity to put the small talk and /or > trivialities aside and to address the dental relatable issues that > affect so many areas that are still unresolved for the many afflicted > and otherwise.
> As you might know, I have introduced an opposing viewpoint from the > current "status quo" Dental occlusal application, concepts model, that > has been routinely applied to the dental patient population, throughout > modern dental application history.
> This Dental occlusal concept and viewpoint originates from and through > the Dental Technologically accessible components, primarily through > accurately reproduced dental study casts (models) with appropriate jaw > orientation records for reference purposes.
> Moreover, this approach recognizes the conditional state through the > study models components and provides for the analysis and the > diagnostically relatable study model work ups to be carried out for > transfer to the clinical side of dentistry.
> Another point that I would like to bring into the discussion is the > most relevant information that Dr. Hans Lennros > provided regarding the information that I had requested from him > concerning the "meta-analysis of all studies done on temporomandibular > disorders so far."
> Subject: Re: Research in TMJ Treatment>> Repost & Info. request for > Dr. Hans Lennros from 01-06-2000) > Date: 05/30/2000 > Author: Hans Lennros <hans.lenn...@swipnet.se>
> Therefore, from your understanding and your dental restorative > application experiences in reference to dental occlusal treatments, as > well as, splint related applications, what is your opinion or viewpoint > of the information that Dr. Lennros has provide[d] to this Ng. (With > regard to this finding concerning the "meta-analysis of all studies > done on temporomandibular disorders so far.")
> Respectfully,
> Otto A. Horger Jr.
> P.S. Fritz: I somehow thought that you could speak German.
> >> Forum: sci.med.dentistry > >> Thread: cyber-winter or cybernetics in smd,asj-d --that is the > question??? > >> Message 52 of 59
> Subject: Re: cyber-winter or cybernetics in smd,asj-d --that is the > question??? Date: 05/31/2000 Author: Joel M. Eichen > <jo...@earthlink.net> > Otto A. Horger Jr. <oa...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > 05-31-2000 OAHjr. wrote:
> >The American Heritage [R] Talking Dictionary
> >Cybernetics
> >cy·ber·net·ics ( sº”b…r-nµt“¹ks) n. used with a sing. verb 1. The > >theoretical study of communication and control processes in biological, > >mechanical, and electronic systems, especially the comparison of these > >processes in biological and artificial systems. [From Greek kubernts > >governor from kubernan to govern] cy ”ber·net“ic adj. cy ”ber·net“i· > cal· > >ly adv. cy ”ber·net“i·cist or cy ”ber·ne·ti“cian ( -n¹-t¹sh“…n) n.
> >But, then again............................
> >-- > > "Ignorance is bliss" > > Silent awareness is hell! > > Voiced or expressed, awareness is at least therapeutic. > > OAH Jr
> >P.S. No response required!! > >Just testing the funcionality of this system.
> Everything works except the spell check. That is on the fritz.
>Another point that I would like to bring into the discussion is the >most relevant information that Dr. Hans Lennros >provided regarding the information that I had requested from him >concerning the "meta-analysis of all studies done on temporomandibular >disorders so far."
Whenever I see the name, "Lennros," I get out my books. You have to set your alarm clock for very early in the morning to get up ahead of Hans!
>cy·ber·net·ics ( sº”b…r-nµt“¹ks) n. used with a sing. verb 1. The >theoretical study of communication and control processes in biological, >mechanical, and electronic systems, especially the comparison of these >processes in biological and artificial systems. [From Greek kubern¶t¶s >governor from kubernan to govern] cy ”ber·net“ic adj. cy ”ber·net“i·cal· >ly adv. cy ”ber·net“i·cist or cy ”ber·ne·ti“cian ( -n¹-t¹sh“…n) n.
>But, then again............................
>-- > "Ignorance is bliss" > Silent awareness is hell! > Voiced or expressed, awareness is at least therapeutic. > OAH Jr
>P.S. No response required!! >Just testing the funcionality of this system.
Hello Otto,
You wrote "No response required!!" I'm thinking this is quite a different statement than: No response desired!! and for that reason I have entered the thread.
What might a cyber-winter be? It conjures an image of sparsity and darkness, a feeling of chill and concern for survival, and most importantly, it conjures a sense of hope that light and warmth and new growth will soon arrive. With its arrival the previous images and sensations will change too.
Perhaps it is true that "seasons" exist in cyberspace and maybe if we look to cybernetics as one important tool for evaluating such perception maybe the cycles of life are spinning with purpose rather than spinning without purpose.
>cy·ber·net·ics ( sº”b…r-nµt“¹ks) n. used with a sing. verb 1. The >theoretical study of communication and control processes in biological, >mechanical, and electronic systems, especially the comparison of these >processes in biological and artificial systems. [From Greek kubernts >governor from kubernan to govern] cy ”ber·net“ic adj. cy ”ber·net“i· cal· >ly adv. cy ”ber·net“i·cist or cy ”ber·ne·ti“cian ( -n¹-t¹sh“…n) n.
>But, then again............................
>-- > "Ignorance is bliss" > Silent awareness is hell! > Voiced or expressed, awareness is at least therapeutic. > OAH Jr
>P.S. No response required!! >Just testing the funcionality of this system.
Hello Otto,
You wrote "No response required!!" I'm thinking this is quite a different statement than: No response desired!! and for that reason I have entered the thread.
What might a cyber-winter be? It conjures an image of sparsity and darkness, a feeling of chill and concern for survival, and most importantly, it conjures a sense of hope that light and warmth and new growth will soon arrive. With its arrival the previous images and sensations will change too. Perhaps it is true that "seasons" exist in cyberspace and maybe if we look to cybernetics as one important tool for evaluating such perception maybe the cycles of life are spinning with purpose rather than spinning without purpose.
On 06-01-2000-00000000000000000-cyber-winter and- Time +-+-+-+-+- -00000000000000-cyber-winter and -Truth vs.-------- -00000000000-cyber-winter and -Honesty vs.---------- -0000000000-cyber-winter and-Integrity vs.---------- -00000000-cyber-winter and -Relevance vs.avoidance-- -000000- cyber-winter and -Context maintenance------ -00000-cyber-winter and -Useful 'net vs. Useless'net- -0000-cyber-winter and -Anonymity--00000------------ -000-cyber-winter and -E-mail-in-reference to the above -00-cyber-winter etc…. etc…etc……………………………………
Hi Sabra,
>What might a cyber-winter be?
In reference to cyber-winter and -- Truth through communications, your statement below may very well apply.
Your perceptions about the possible meaning of a cyber-winter are quite accurate with your statement "It conjures an image of sparsity and darkness, a feeling of chill and concern for survival,"
Usenet currently operates on rather disconnected plane, or as an entity onto itself, and is apart from your hopped for description in " it conjures a sense of hope that light and warmth and new growth will soon arrive."
Just as an example, even in this thread, the --king or master of postings-- has again demonstrated that "cyber-winter through Relevance avoidance" is well and alive, through selective small talk and /or trivialities applications.
In addition, its func-t-ionality is in full force. "Relevance avoidance" that is, in general terms, in reference to the many (countless now) Ng authors introduced information pieces concerning a number of dental relatable issues that affect the dental patient population, in + or - ways.
Maybe, these Ng authors introduced information pieces or subjects that have taken on a, (yes) oftentimes redundant life of their own, communications wise, have become blase to some, even without the emergence of any real answers to those introduced issues.
>Perhaps it is true that "seasons" exist in cyberspace and maybe if we
look to cybernetics as one important tool for evaluating such
>perception maybe the cycles of life are spinning with purpose rather
than spinning without purpose.
I am in agreement with you concerning the possible cyberspace "seasons" in reference to the "cycles of life" and the their possible effect and purpose, hopefully as you stated "spinning with purpose".
In addition, one such important "cybernetics relatable tool " is the new, relatively speaking "Tekscan" http://www.tekscan.com/. Our dental team has recently applied this new computer based technology in combination with the "Synchronous Dental Occlusal Concept" with it's associated applications that I have introduced and have been writing about.
You wrote "No response required!!" I'm thinking this is quite a different statement than: No response desired!! and for that reason I have entered the thread.
>No response desired!!
---Is not, and would not have been part of my thinking concerning these Usenet information exchange issues, your response Sabra is always welcome, as are all honest and relevant responses from others.
Respectfully,
Otto
P.S. Please send my greetings to your brother Tim Dixon (Bruce Chang). He has been recognizably, most supportive of you, in your long and ongoing effort to warn the TMJ related patient population to take precautions with their, sought for treatment selections.
I would apply similar precautions from my personal knowledge base from the restorative dental technological area, and I will say that a total reevaluation is needed from its foundation, on up, concerning these issues.
I hope that new information and concepts will have a chance to find their way to the right places as well.
-- "Ignorance is bliss" Silent awareness is hell! Voiced or expressed, awareness is at least therapeutic. OAH Jr
Lets try this again and still on 06-01-2000 10:59PM EST-DS
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Subject: Re: cyber-winter or cybernetics in smd,asj-d --that is the question??? Date: 06/01/2000 Author: Sabra Broock <sabra.bro...@att.net>
On Wed, 31 May 2000 06:55:44 GMT, Otto A. Horger Jr.
>cy·ber·net·ics ( sº”b…r-nµt“¹ks) n. used with a sing. verb 1. The >theoretical study of communication and control processes in biological, >mechanical, and electronic systems, especially the comparison of these >processes in biological and artificial systems. [From Greek kubernts >governor from kubernan to govern] cy ”ber·net“ic adj. cy ”ber·net“i· cal· >ly adv. cy ”ber·net“i·cist or cy ”ber·ne·ti“cian ( -n¹-t¹sh“…n) n.
>But, then again............................
>-- > "Ignorance is bliss" > Silent awareness is hell! > Voiced or expressed, awareness is at least therapeutic. > OAH Jr
>P.S. No response required!! >Just testing the funcionality of this system.
Hello Otto,
You wrote "No response required!!" I'm thinking this is quite a different statement than: No response desired!! and for that reason I have entered the thread.
What might a cyber-winter be? It conjures an image of sparsity and darkness, a feeling of chill and concern for survival, and most importantly, it conjures a sense of hope that light and warmth and new growth will soon arrive. With its arrival the previous images and sensations will change too. Perhaps it is true that "seasons" exist in cyberspace and maybe if we look to cybernetics as one important tool for evaluating such perception maybe the cycles of life are spinning with purpose rather than spinning without purpose.
On 06-01-2000-00000000000000000-cyber-winter and- Time +-+-+-+-+- -00000000000000-cyber-winter and -Truth vs.-------- -00000000000-cyber-winter and -Honesty vs.---------- -0000000000-cyber-winter and-Integrity vs.---------- -00000000-cyber-winter and -Relevance vs.avoidance-- -000000- cyber-winter and -Context maintenance------ -00000-cyber-winter and -Useful 'net vs. Useless'net- -0000-cyber-winter and -Anonymity--00000------------ -000-cyber-winter and -E-mail-in-reference to the above -00-cyber-winter etc…. etc…etc……………………………………
Hi Sabra,
>What might a cyber-winter be?
In reference to cyber-winter and -- Truth through communications, your statement below may very well apply.
Your perceptions about the possible meaning of a cyber-winter are quite accurate with your statement "It conjures an image of sparsity and darkness, a feeling of chill and concern for survival,"
Usenet currently operates on rather disconnected plane, or as an entity onto itself, and is apart from your hopped for description in " it conjures a sense of hope that light and warmth and new growth will soon arrive."
Just as an example, even in this thread, the --king or master of postings-- has again demonstrated that "cyber-winter through Relevance avoidance" is well and alive, through selective small talk and /or trivialities applications.
In addition, its func-t-ionality is in full force. "Relevance avoidance" that is, in general terms, in reference to the many (countless now) Ng authors introduced information pieces concerning a number of dental relatable issues that affect the dental patient population, in + or - ways.
Maybe, these Ng authors introduced information pieces or subjects that have taken on a, (yes) oftentimes redundant life of their own, communications wise, have become blase to some, even without the emergence of any real answers to those introduced issues.
>Perhaps it is true that "seasons" exist in cyberspace and maybe if we
look to cybernetics as one important tool for evaluating such
>perception maybe the cycles of life are spinning with purpose rather
than spinning without purpose.
I am in agreement with you concerning the possible cyberspace "seasons" in reference to the "cycles of life" and the their possible effect and purpose, hopefully as you stated "spinning with purpose".
In addition, one such important "cybernetics relatable tool " is the new, relatively speaking "Tekscan" http://www.tekscan.com/. Our dental team has recently applied this new computer based technology in combination with the "Synchronous Dental Occlusal Concept" with it's associated applications that I have introduced and have been writing about.
You wrote "No response required!!" I'm thinking this is quite a different statement than: No response desired!! and for that reason I have entered the thread.
>No response desired!!
---Is not, and would not have been part of my thinking concerning these Usenet information exchange issues, your response Sabra is always welcome, as are all honest and relevant responses from others.
Respectfully,
Otto
P.S. Please send my greetings to your brother Tim Dixon (Bruce Chang). He has been recognizably, most supportive of you, in your long and ongoing effort to warn the TMJ related patient population to take precautions with their, sought for treatment selections.
I would apply similar precautions from my personal knowledge base from the restorative dental technological area, and I will say that a total reevaluation is, needed from its foundation, on up, concerning these issues.
I hope that new information and concepts will have a chance to find their way to the right places as well.
-- "Ignorance is bliss" Silent awareness is hell! Voiced or expressed, awareness is at least therapeutic. OAH Jr
We are siletly watching the beginning of a paradigmshift here. Hans PS: A meta-analysis is a study that studies studys, so to speak. ===============================================
Otto wrote:
Another point that I would like to bring into the discussion is the most relevant information that Dr. Hans Lennros provided regarding the information that I had requested from him concerning the "meta-analysis of all studies done on temporomandibular disorders so far." Subject: Re: Research in TMJ Treatment>> Repost & Info. request for Dr. Hans Lennros from 01-06-2000) Date: 05/30/2000 Author: Hans Lennros <hans.lenn...@swipnet.se> Therefore, from your understanding and your dental restorative application experiences in reference to dental occlusal treatments, as well as, splint related applications, what is your opinion or viewpoint of the information that Dr. Lennros has provide to this Ng. (With regard to this finding concerning the "meta-analysis of all studies done on temporomandibular disorders so far.")
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>>> Forum: sci.med.dentistry >>> Thread: cyber-winter or cybernetics in smd,asj-d --that is the >question??? >>> Message 3 of 348
>Subject: Re: cyber-winter or cybernetics in smd,asj-d --that is the >question??? >Date: 06/01/2000 Author: Sabra Broock <sabra.bro...@att.net>
>On Wed, 31 May 2000 06:55:44 GMT, Otto A. Horger Jr. ><oa...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>> 05-31-2000 OAHjr. wrote:
>>The American Heritage [R] Talking Dictionary
>>Cybernetics
>>cy·ber·net·ics ( sº”b…r-nµt“¹ks) n. used with a sing. verb 1. The >>theoretical study of communication and control processes in biological, >>mechanical, and electronic systems, especially the comparison of these >>processes in biological and artificial systems. [From Greek kubernts >>governor from kubernan to govern] cy ”ber·net“ic adj. cy ”ber·net“i· >cal· >>ly adv. cy ”ber·net“i·cist or cy ”ber·ne·ti“cian ( -n¹-t¹sh“…n) n.
>>But, then again............................
>>-- >> "Ignorance is bliss" >> Silent awareness is hell! >> Voiced or expressed, awareness is at least therapeutic. >> OAH Jr
>>P.S. No response required!! >>Just testing the funcionality of this system.
>Hello Otto,
>You wrote "No response required!!" I'm thinking this is quite a >different statement than: No response desired!! and for that reason I >have entered the thread.
>What might a cyber-winter be? It conjures an image of sparsity and >darkness, a feeling of chill and concern for survival, and most >importantly, it conjures a sense of hope that light and warmth and new >growth will soon arrive. With its arrival the previous images and >sensations will change too. >Perhaps it is true that "seasons" exist in cyberspace and maybe if we >look to cybernetics as one important tool for evaluating such >perception maybe the cycles of life are spinning with purpose rather >than spinning without purpose.
>Otto wrote: >On 06-01-2000-00000000000000000-cyber-winter and- Time +-+-+-+-+- > -00000000000000-cyber-winter and -Truth vs.-------- > -00000000000-cyber-winter and -Honesty vs.---------- > -0000000000-cyber-winter and-Integrity vs.---------- > -00000000-cyber-winter and -Relevance vs.avoidance-- > -000000- cyber-winter and -Context maintenance------ > -00000-cyber-winter and -Useful 'net vs. Useless'net- > -0000-cyber-winter and -Anonymity--00000------------ > -000-cyber-winter and -E-mail-in-reference to the above > -00-cyber-winter etc…. etc…etc……………………………………
>Hi Sabra,
>>What might a cyber-winter be? >In reference to cyber-winter and -- Truth through communications, your >statement below may very well apply.
>Your perceptions about the possible meaning of a cyber-winter are quite >accurate with your statement "It conjures an image of sparsity and >darkness, a feeling of chill and concern for survival,"
>Usenet currently operates on rather disconnected plane, or as an entity >onto itself, and is apart from your hopped for description in " it >conjures a sense of hope that light and warmth and new growth will soon >arrive."
>Just as an example, even in this thread, the --king or master of >postings-- has again demonstrated that "cyber-winter through Relevance >avoidance" is well and alive, through selective small talk and /or >trivialities applications.
>In addition, its func-t-ionality is in full force. "Relevance >avoidance" that is, in general terms, in reference to the many >(countless now) Ng authors introduced information pieces concerning a >number of dental relatable issues that affect the dental patient >population, in + or - ways.
>Maybe, these Ng authors introduced information pieces or subjects that >have taken on a, (yes) oftentimes redundant life of their own, >communications wise, have become blase to some, even without the >emergence of any real answers to those introduced issues.
>>Perhaps it is true that "seasons" exist in cyberspace and maybe if we >look to cybernetics as one important tool for evaluating such >>perception maybe the cycles of life are spinning with purpose rather >than spinning without purpose.
>I am in agreement with you concerning the possible cyberspace "seasons" >in reference to the "cycles of life" and the their possible effect and >purpose, hopefully as you stated "spinning with purpose".
>In addition, one such important "cybernetics relatable tool " is the >new, relatively speaking "Tekscan" http://www.tekscan.com/. >Our dental team has recently applied this new computer based technology >in combination with the "Synchronous Dental Occlusal Concept" with it's >associated applications that I have introduced and have been writing >about.
>You wrote "No response required!!" I'm thinking this is quite a >different statement than: No response desired!! and for that reason I >have entered the thread.
>>No response desired!! >---Is not, and would not have been part of my thinking concerning these >Usenet information exchange issues, your response Sabra is always >welcome, as are all honest and relevant responses from others.
>Respectfully,
>Otto
>P.S. Please send my greetings to your brother Tim Dixon (Bruce Chang). >He has been recognizably, most supportive of you, in your long and >ongoing effort to warn the TMJ related patient population to take >precautions with their, sought for treatment selections.
Hello Otto,
In the interest of maintaining context, I have not deleted any of your text.
Thank you for remembering my brother in your post. I gave him your greetings and we spoke of you for quite awhile ... commenting upon your work and your notably determined spirit. He has of course asked that I return the greeting to you with his "best regards".
Yes, it is a rare opportunity for siblings to share in an experience like this: to be Webby & Chang. When we published our book three years ago, we had no way of knowing if his TMJ-related condition would improve. We had no way of knowing that he would be the fortunate recipient of something that is nothing short of a miracle. Because he got well, I got better. Had the outcome gone the other way, I do believe my own condition would have deteriorated from the extreme sadness that would have accompanied such a tragic outcome. The potential for double tragedy in one family in spite of what I know to be "real" was the potential for a disaster that I my spirit may not have survived. But that isn't what happened. What happened made us realize that we were the luckiest people in the world...
Dr. Stradaioli and Prof. Luksich brightened our lives in ways that have everything to do with the art of healing and all that is honest and good in life. We are forever grateful... And this is why I remain hopeful that the art of healing will survive this technological age of... well... that all too forgotten art.
>I would apply similar precautions from my personal knowledge base from >the restorative dental technological area, and I will say that a total >reevaluation is, needed from its foundation, on up, concerning these >issues.
>I hope that new information and concepts will have a chance to find >their way to the right places as well.
>-- > "Ignorance is bliss" > Silent awareness is hell! > Voiced or expressed, awareness is at least therapeutic. > OAH Jr
Otto, I have not used tekscan yet, but I would be concerned with it's consistency. What has been your experience? fmn Otto A. Horger Jr. <oa...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8h71ur$osh$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
> >> Forum: sci.med.dentistry > >> Thread: cyber-winter or cybernetics in smd,asj-d --that is the > question??? > >> Message 3 of 348
> Subject: Re: cyber-winter or cybernetics in smd,asj-d --that is the > question??? > Date: 06/01/2000 Author: Sabra Broock <sabra.bro...@att.net>
> On Wed, 31 May 2000 06:55:44 GMT, Otto A. Horger Jr. > <oa...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > 05-31-2000 OAHjr. wrote:
> >The American Heritage [R] Talking Dictionary
> >Cybernetics
> >cy·ber·net·ics ( sº"b.r-nµt"¹ks) n. used with a sing. verb 1. The > >theoretical study of communication and control processes in biological, > >mechanical, and electronic systems, especially the comparison of these > >processes in biological and artificial systems. [From Greek kubernts > >governor from kubernan to govern] cy "ber·net"ic adj. cy "ber·net"i· > cal· > >ly adv. cy "ber·net"i·cist or cy "ber·ne·ti"cian ( -n¹-t¹sh".n) n.
> >But, then again............................
> >-- > > "Ignorance is bliss" > > Silent awareness is hell! > > Voiced or expressed, awareness is at least therapeutic. > > OAH Jr
> >P.S. No response required!! > >Just testing the funcionality of this system.
> Hello Otto,
> You wrote "No response required!!" I'm thinking this is quite a > different statement than: No response desired!! and for that reason I > have entered the thread.
> What might a cyber-winter be? It conjures an image of sparsity and > darkness, a feeling of chill and concern for survival, and most > importantly, it conjures a sense of hope that light and warmth and new > growth will soon arrive. With its arrival the previous images and > sensations will change too. > Perhaps it is true that "seasons" exist in cyberspace and maybe if we > look to cybernetics as one important tool for evaluating such > perception maybe the cycles of life are spinning with purpose rather > than spinning without purpose.
> Otto wrote: > On 06-01-2000-00000000000000000-cyber-winter and- Time +-+-+-+-+- > -00000000000000-cyber-winter and -Truth vs.-------- > -00000000000-cyber-winter and -Honesty vs.---------- > -0000000000-cyber-winter and-Integrity vs.---------- > -00000000-cyber-winter and -Relevance vs.avoidance-- > -000000- cyber-winter and -Context maintenance------ > -00000-cyber-winter and -Useful 'net vs. Useless'net- > -0000-cyber-winter and -Anonymity--00000------------ > -000-cyber-winter and -E-mail-in-reference to the above > -00-cyber-winter etc.. etc.etc..............
> Hi Sabra,
> >What might a cyber-winter be? > In reference to cyber-winter and -- Truth through communications, your > statement below may very well apply.
> Your perceptions about the possible meaning of a cyber-winter are quite > accurate with your statement "It conjures an image of sparsity and > darkness, a feeling of chill and concern for survival,"
> Usenet currently operates on rather disconnected plane, or as an entity > onto itself, and is apart from your hopped for description in " it > conjures a sense of hope that light and warmth and new growth will soon > arrive."
> Just as an example, even in this thread, the --king or master of > postings-- has again demonstrated that "cyber-winter through Relevance > avoidance" is well and alive, through selective small talk and /or > trivialities applications.
> In addition, its func-t-ionality is in full force. "Relevance > avoidance" that is, in general terms, in reference to the many > (countless now) Ng authors introduced information pieces concerning a > number of dental relatable issues that affect the dental patient > population, in + or - ways.
> Maybe, these Ng authors introduced information pieces or subjects that > have taken on a, (yes) oftentimes redundant life of their own, > communications wise, have become blase to some, even without the > emergence of any real answers to those introduced issues.
> >Perhaps it is true that "seasons" exist in cyberspace and maybe if we > look to cybernetics as one important tool for evaluating such > >perception maybe the cycles of life are spinning with purpose rather > than spinning without purpose.
> I am in agreement with you concerning the possible cyberspace "seasons" > in reference to the "cycles of life" and the their possible effect and > purpose, hopefully as you stated "spinning with purpose".
> In addition, one such important "cybernetics relatable tool " is the > new, relatively speaking "Tekscan" http://www.tekscan.com/. > Our dental team has recently applied this new computer based technology > in combination with the "Synchronous Dental Occlusal Concept" with it's > associated applications that I have introduced and have been writing > about.
> You wrote "No response required!!" I'm thinking this is quite a > different statement than: No response desired!! and for that reason I > have entered the thread.
> >No response desired!! > ---Is not, and would not have been part of my thinking concerning these > Usenet information exchange issues, your response Sabra is always > welcome, as are all honest and relevant responses from others.
> Respectfully,
> Otto
> P.S. Please send my greetings to your brother Tim Dixon (Bruce Chang). > He has been recognizably, most supportive of you, in your long and > ongoing effort to warn the TMJ related patient population to take > precautions with their, sought for treatment selections.
> I would apply similar precautions from my personal knowledge base from > the restorative dental technological area, and I will say that a total > reevaluation is needed from its foundation, on up, concerning these > issues.
> I hope that new information and concepts will have a chance to find > their way to the right places as well.
> -- > "Ignorance is bliss" > Silent awareness is hell! > Voiced or expressed, awareness is at least therapeutic. > OAH Jr
The "Tekscan" is a computer related application tool that is relatively new on the scene and is more accurate than we could ever hope to achieve with the standard dental clinical methods alone. There is a learning curve involved, as there is with most technical things.
However, that isn't the point it is knowing what to try to achieve, where this new tool lends itself to the dental occlusal check methods that we apply, as well. According to the feed back I have had, the "Tekscan" will isolate, record and play back the most minute occlusal discrepancies.
> In addition, one such important "cybernetics relatable tool " is the > new, relatively speaking "Tekscan" http://www.tekscan.com/. > Our dental team has recently applied this new computer based technology > in combination with the "Synchronous Dental Occlusal Concept" with it's > associated applications that I have introduced and have been writing > about.
Two words (an oxymoron) that describe what one would hope to achieve with the "Synchronous Dental Occlusal Concept" Are "Dynamic Stases"
The AH dictionary. Dynamic----- 1. a. Of or relating to energy or to objects in motion. b. Of or relating to the study of dynamics. ``````````` Stases -------1. A condition of balance among various forces; motionlessness: “
1. (n.) A condition of stability created by the opposition of equal forces: · equilibrium · balance · counterpoise · equipoise · equiponderance
> >> Forum: sci.med.dentistry > >> Thread: cyber-winter or cybernetics in smd,asj-d --that is the > question??? > >> Message 3 of 348
> Subject: Re: cyber-winter or cybernetics in smd,asj-d --that is the > question??? > Date: 06/01/2000 Author: Sabra Broock <sabra.bro...@att.net>
> On Wed, 31 May 2000 06:55:44 GMT, Otto A. Horger Jr. > <oa...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > 05-31-2000 OAHjr. wrote:
> >The American Heritage [R] Talking Dictionary
> >Cybernetics
> >cy·ber·net·ics ( sº"b.r-nµt"¹ks) n. used with a sing. verb 1. The > >theoretical study of communication and control processes in biological, > >mechanical, and electronic systems, especially the comparison of these > >processes in biological and artificial systems. [From Greek kubernts > >governor from kubernan to govern] cy "ber·net"ic adj. cy "ber·net"i· > cal· > >ly adv. cy "ber·net"i·cist or cy "ber·ne·ti"cian ( -n¹-t¹sh".n) n.
> >But, then again............................
Snip……..
> In addition, one such important "cybernetics relatable tool " is the > new, relatively speaking "Tekscan" http://www.tekscan.com/. > Our dental team has recently applied this new computer based technology > in combination with the "Synchronous Dental Occlusal Concept" with it's > associated applications that I have introduced and have been writing > about.
Snip……….
-- "Ignorance is bliss" Silent awareness is hell! Voiced or expressed, awareness is at least therapeutic. OAH Jr
Dear Otto, thanks for the info, my main concern would be repeatability. In the learning curve, can you for instance, have the patient bite down five different times and get similar info that is consistent and usable on each one and together. Do you get what I am asking here? regards fmn Otto A. Horger Jr. wrote in message <8kv9gs$sg...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>The "Tekscan" is a computer related application tool that is relatively >new on the scene and is more accurate than we could ever hope to >achieve with the standard dental clinical methods alone. There is a >learning curve involved, as there is with most technical things.
>However, that isn't the point it is knowing what to try to achieve, >where this new tool lends itself to the dental occlusal check methods >that we apply, as well. >According to the feed back I have had, the "Tekscan" will isolate, >record and play back the most minute occlusal discrepancies.
>> In addition, one such important "cybernetics relatable tool " is the >> new, relatively speaking "Tekscan" http://www.tekscan.com/. >> Our dental team has recently applied this new computer based >technology >> in combination with the "Synchronous Dental Occlusal Concept" with >it's >> associated applications that I have introduced and have been writing >> about.
>Two words (an oxymoron) that describe what one would hope to achieve >with the "Synchronous Dental Occlusal Concept" >Are "Dynamic Stases"
>The AH dictionary. >Dynamic----- 1. a. Of or relating to energy or to objects in motion. b. >Of or relating to the study of dynamics. >``````````` >Stases -------1. A condition of balance among various forces; >motionlessness: “
>1. (n.) A condition of stability created by the opposition of equal >forces: > · equilibrium > · balance > · counterpoise > · equipoise > · equiponderance
>> >> Forum: sci.med.dentistry >> >> Thread: cyber-winter or cybernetics in smd,asj-d --that is the >> question??? >> >> Message 3 of 348
>> Subject: Re: cyber-winter or cybernetics in smd,asj-d --that is the >> question??? >> Date: 06/01/2000 Author: Sabra Broock <sabra.bro...@att.net>
>> On Wed, 31 May 2000 06:55:44 GMT, Otto A. Horger Jr. >> <oa...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>> > 05-31-2000 OAHjr. wrote:
>> >The American Heritage [R] Talking Dictionary
>> >Cybernetics
>> >cy·ber·net·ics ( sº"b.r-nµt"¹ks) n. used with a sing. verb 1. The >> >theoretical study of communication and control processes in >biological, >> >mechanical, and electronic systems, especially the comparison of >these >> >processes in biological and artificial systems. [From Greek kubernts >> >governor from kubernan to govern] cy "ber·net"ic adj. cy "ber·net"i· >> cal· >> >ly adv. cy "ber·net"i·cist or cy "ber·ne·ti"cian ( -n¹-t¹sh".n) n.
>> >But, then again............................
>Snip……..
>> In addition, one such important "cybernetics relatable tool " is the >> new, relatively speaking "Tekscan" http://www.tekscan.com/. >> Our dental team has recently applied this new computer based >technology >> in combination with the "Synchronous Dental Occlusal Concept" with >it's >> associated applications that I have introduced and have been writing >> about.
>Snip……….
>-- > "Ignorance is bliss" > Silent awareness is hell! > Voiced or expressed, awareness is at least therapeutic. > OAH Jr
Hi Dr. Nelson, I printed this message and gave it to Dr. G-3 who applies the Tekscan technology in combination with the study model, pre-equilibration, methodology and his quick response to your questions was, a firm yes.
Thanks
Otto
>> Message 3 of 3
Subject: Re: cyber-winter or cybernetics in smd,asj-d --that is the question??? Date: 07/17/2000 Author: Frank Nelson <pit...@ctaz.com>
>> Dear Otto, >> thanks for the info, my main concern would be repeatability. In the >> learning curve, can you for instance, have the patient bite down five >> different times and get similar info that is consistent and usable on >> each one and together. Do you get what I am asking here? >> regards >> fmn
Otto A. Horger Jr. wrote in message <8kv9gs$sg...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>The "Tekscan" is a computer related application tool that is relatively >new on the scene and is more accurate than we could ever hope to >achieve with the standard dental clinical methods alone. There is a >learning curve involved, as there is with most technical things.
>However, that isn't the point it is knowing what to try to achieve, >where this new tool lends itself to the dental occlusal check methods >that we apply, as well. >According to the feed back I have had, the "Tekscan" will isolate, >record and play back the most minute occlusal discrepancies.
>> In addition, one such important "cybernetics relatable tool " is the >> new, relatively speaking "Tekscan" http://www.tekscan.com/. >> Our dental team has recently applied this new computer based >technology >> in combination with the "Synchronous Dental Occlusal Concept" with >it's >> associated applications that I have introduced and have been writing >> about.
>Two words (an oxymoron) that describe what one would hope to achieve >with the "Synchronous Dental Occlusal Concept" >Are "Dynamic Stases"
>The AH dictionary. >Dynamic----- 1. a. Of or relating to energy or to objects in motion. b. >Of or relating to the study of dynamics. >``````````` >Stases -------1. A condition of balance among various forces; >motionlessness: “
>1. (n.) A condition of stability created by the opposition of equal >forces: > · equilibrium > · balance > · counterpoise > · equipoise > · equiponderance
>> >> Forum: sci.med.dentistry >> >> Thread: cyber-winter or cybernetics in smd,asj-d --that is the >> question??? >> >> Message 3 of 348
>> Subject: Re: cyber-winter or cybernetics in smd,asj-d --that is the >> question??? >> Date: 06/01/2000 Author: Sabra Broock <sabra.bro...@att.net>
>> On Wed, 31 May 2000 06:55:44 GMT, Otto A. Horger Jr. >> <oa...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>> > 05-31-2000 OAHjr. wrote:
>> >The American Heritage [R] Talking Dictionary
>> >Cybernetics
>> >cy·ber·net·ics ( sº"b.r-nµt"¹ks) n. used with a sing. verb 1. The >> >theoretical study of communication and control processes in >biological, >> >mechanical, and electronic systems, especially the comparison of >these >> >processes in biological and artificial systems. [From Greek kubernts >> >governor from kubernan to govern] cy "ber·net"ic adj. cy "ber·net"i· >> cal· >> >ly adv. cy "ber·net"i·cist or cy "ber·ne·ti"cian ( -n¹-t¹sh".n) n.
>> >But, then again............................
>Snip……..
>> In addition, one such important "cybernetics relatable tool " is the >> new, relatively speaking "Tekscan" http://www.tekscan.com/. >> Our dental team has recently applied this new computer based >technology >> in combination with the "Synchronous Dental Occlusal Concept" with >it's >> associated applications that I have introduced and have been writing >> about.
>Snip……….
>-- > "Ignorance is bliss" > Silent awareness is hell! > Voiced or expressed, awareness is at least therapeutic. > OAH Jr
> Hi Dr. Nelson, > I printed this message and gave it to Dr. G-3 who applies the Tekscan > technology in combination with the study model, pre-equilibration, > methodology and his quick response to your questions was, a firm yes.
Did you find the replies in the occlusion related threads that we were communicating in or are you still writing your replies, there were several of them. I will check for any that, I might have missed, in responding back to you as well.
oahjr
In article <KU4d5.419$RQ1.32...@news-west.eli.net>, "Dr. Frank from AZ, USA" <pit...@ctaz.com> wrote:
> Great, > I've been tempted to get it and use it. Do you know how much it costs? > > Otto A. Horger Jr. wrote:
> > Hi Dr. Nelson, > > I printed this message and gave it to Dr. G-3 who applies the Tekscan > > technology in combination with the study model, pre-equilibration, > > methodology and his quick response to your questions was, a firm yes.
> Did you find the replies in the occlusion related threads that we were > communicating in or are you still writing your replies, there were > several of them. I will check for any that, I might have missed, in > responding back to you as well.
> oahjr
> In article <KU4d5.419$RQ1.32...@news-west.eli.net>, > "Dr. Frank from AZ, USA" <pit...@ctaz.com> wrote: > > Great, > > I've been tempted to get it and use it. Do you know how much it > costs? > > > Otto A. Horger Jr. wrote:
> > > Hi Dr. Nelson, > > > I printed this message and gave it to Dr. G-3 who applies the > Tekscan > > > technology in combination with the study model, pre-equilibration, > > > methodology and his quick response to your questions was, a firm > yes.
