Mercury amalgams FDA fails to protect even children
Jan Drew
Mercury in dental fillings comes under fire at FDA meeting in Orlando
Floridians insist that FDA act now on amalgam
For the second time in 60 days, a “town meeting” conducted by FDA’s
Center for Devices has turned into a major media event highlighting
the agency’s failed amalgam policy. Texans confronted Center for
Devices Director Jeff Shuren in March; Floridians turned out en masse
in Orlando on March 5, outraged over FDA’s failure to protect even
children from dental mercury. The event was not only front-page news
in Florida – it reached press outlets clear across the country: the
Los Angeles Times proclaimed that “Mercury in dental fillings comes
under fire at FDA meeting in Orlando.”
Among the witnesses was the venerable Sam Queen, the long-time guiding
hand of the mercury-free dentistry movement via his work with the
Wallace Research Foundation, his treatise on mercury (co-authored with
his wife Betty), and his Institute for Health Realities. Orlando
dentist Jim Hardy, whose book Mercury Free has educated so many
delegates at the mercury treaty negotiating sessions, testified. So
did Bernie Windham, president of Dental Amalgam Mercury Solutions
(DAMS), who presented his prodigious research on amalgam. They were
joined by dentists, other health professionals, and consumers from all
over Florida. Freya Koss of Philadelphia served as organizer,
liaison with FDA, and press spokeswoman. (Dr. Shuren told Freya: “I
see you more than I see some members of my family.”)
Just like in Texas, with cameras in his face, Dr. Shuren was compelled
to answer for FDA’s inaction on amalgam – something FDA officials are
able to duck when they sit behind their desks. And Dr. Shuren told
the Orlando Sentinel that "If I had my druthers, I would like to say
something this year,” noting that the agency would have to reconsider
the scientific and legal issues surrounding the amalgam issue. It is
hardly a timetable, but it’s more than FDA has been willing to say in
Washington.
Please join our Florida team and our Texas team in speaking out about
amalgam! I encourage you to drop Dr. Shuren a note at
jeff....@fda.hhs.gov
Remember that Dr. Shuren is very concerned that Europeans are being
subjected to unsafe medical devices; he recently accused European
device regulators of treating consumers as “guinea pigs.” It’s time
to ask Dr. Shuren why FDA is using American children as guinea pigs
for amalgam – a medical device for which even FDA admits "[v]ery
limited to no clinical information is available regarding long-term
health outcomes in pregnant women and their developing fetuses, and
children under the age of six, including infants who are breastfed."
Ask Dr. Shuren whether he seriously intends to stop using American
children as guinea pigs for the amalgam industry this year.
Thank you!
-- Charlie
11 May 2011
Charles G. Brown
President, World Alliance for Mercury-Free Dentistry
National Counsel, Consumers for Dental Choice
Ankur
> For the second time in 60 days, a “town meeting” conducted by FDA’s
> Center for Devices has turned into a major media event highlighting
> the agency’s failed amalgam policy.
In what way is the policy "failed"?
> ... outraged over FDA’s failure to protect even children from dental mercury.
There is no "dental mercury", so what's the problem?
Dental amalgam, however, has been shown to be safe. (The dentist will
have more exposure to mercury than their patients)
> “Mercury in dental fillings comes under fire at FDA meeting in Orlando.”
People also rally against vaccinations.
> It’s time to ask Dr. Shuren why FDA is using American children as
> guinea pigs for amalgam
A material that has been in use for almost 200 years.
> Ask Dr. Shuren whether he seriously intends to stop using American
> children as guinea pigs for the amalgam industry this year.
Do you intend to stop beating your wife?
Ben David
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On Mar 11, 1:37 pm, Mark Scum Probert <mark.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 11, 12:58 am, Jan Drew <jdrew...@aol.com> wrote:
>> Results 1 - 10 of about 43,200 for Mark Probert Get help. (0.29
>> seconds)
> You wrote this subject line: "Obsessed, Mark Scum Probert proven
> liar, filthy mouth Jew, hypocrite, harasser posts Get help".
> You profess to be a Christian, but, equate being a Jew to having a
> flithy mouth, etc.
No, I did not post *a* Jew, I posted:
Obsessed, Mark Scum Probert proven liar, filthy mouth Jew, hypocrite,
harasser posts Get help
Happy Oyster <>
>Mercury in dental fillings
Janet Mae Drew is too damned stupid to write about dental amalgam. She messed up
in sci.med.dentistry
Better read http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_av1.htm
(sorry, German only - but the best text... ;O) )
--
"Die Frau ist ein Mißgriff der Natur... mit ihrem Feuchtigkeits-Überschuß
und ihrer Untertemperatur körperlich und geistig minderwertiger... eine
Art verstümmelter, verfehlter, mißlungener Mann...die volle Verwirklichung
der menschlichen Art ist nur der Mann."
Thomas von Aquin, hl., Kirchenlehrer, 1225-1274
Heilsames über christliche Lebensart: http://www.reimbibel.de
Jan Drew
> * Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com>
>
> > For the second time in 60 days, a “town meeting” conducted by FDA’s
> > Center for Devices has turned into a major media event highlighting
> > the agency’s failed amalgam policy.
>
> In what way is the policy "failed"?
Read.
>
> > ... outraged over FDA’s failure to protect even children from dental mercury.
>
> There is no "dental mercury", so what's the problem?
Yes there is. The problems are listed. Read.
>
> Dental amalgam, however, has been shown to be safe. (The dentist will
> have more exposure to mercury than their patients)
>
> > “Mercury in dental fillings comes under fire at FDA meeting in Orlando.”
>
> People also rally against vaccinations.
>
> > It’s time to ask Dr. Shuren why FDA is using American children as
> > guinea pigs for amalgam
>
> A material that has been in use for almost 200 years.
That's the problem.
American children used as guinea pigs.
>
> > Ask Dr. Shuren whether he seriously intends to stop using American
> > children as guinea pigs for the amalgam industry this year.
>
> Do you intend to stop beating your wife?
I don't have one.
Jan Drew
Peter Bowditch
>On May 15, 12:37 am, Ankur <an...@lipidity.com> wrote:
>> * Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com>
>>
>> > For the second time in 60 days, a “town meeting” conducted by FDA’s
>> > Center for Devices has turned into a major media event highlighting
>> > the agency’s failed amalgam policy.
>>
>> In what way is the policy "failed"?
>
>Read.
I did. In what way has the policy failed?
>>
>> > ... outraged over FDA’s failure to protect even children from dental mercury.
>>
>> There is no "dental mercury", so what's the problem?
>
>Yes there is. The problems are listed. Read.
There is no such thing as "dental mercury". Saying that there is is
almost as stupid as saying "mercury amalgam". There is dental amalgam.
>>
>> Dental amalgam, however, has been shown to be safe. (The dentist will
>> have more exposure to mercury than their patients)
>>
>> > “Mercury in dental fillings comes under fire at FDA meeting in Orlando.”
>>
>> People also rally against vaccinations.
>>
>> > It’s time to ask Dr. Shuren why FDA is using American children as
>> > guinea pigs for amalgam
>>
>> A material that has been in use for almost 200 years.
>
>That's the problem.
What? That it's been used for 200 years without problems?
>
>American children used as guinea pigs.
For 200 years? Please try to talk sense.
>>
>> > Ask Dr. Shuren whether he seriously intends to stop using American
>> > children as guinea pigs for the amalgam industry this year.
>>
>> Do you intend to stop beating your wife?
>
>I don't have one.
Whooooooosssshhhhh. Sound of a cultural meme rushing over Jan's head.
Is there any part of general knowledge that you actually recognise,
Jan?
--
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To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com
I'm @RatbagsDotCom on Twitter
Peter Bowditch
Bwahahahahahaha! The subject line mentions something that doesn't
exist - "mercury amalgams".
<snip stuff that must be idiotic because the author mentions "mercury
amalgams".>
Ben David
Do you abuse your husband after you ingest alcoholic beverages?
Ben David
spam deleted
Happy Oyster <>
>Mercury in dental fillings
still is a topic (like any topic) whre Janet Mae Drew is too stupid to write
about.
This is a must to read: http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_av1.htm
--
"Der Kölner Dom ist groß und gothisch,
der Knochenkult ist religiotisch."
Jan Drew
> Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Bwahahahahahaha! The subject line mentions something that doesn't
> exist - "mercury amalgams".
A repeated lie.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=mercury%20amalgam
2195
When My Mercury-Amalgam Fillings Were Removed, 17 Physical Symptoms
Went Away and Numerous Emotions Issues, Including Depression.
I was perfectly health until between 1995 and 2000. During this time,
I acquired the following symptoms not knowing why:
Weight gain, depression, thinning hair, fatigue, constipation,
candida, anxiety, insomnia, low blood sugar, immune weakness, ringing
in the ears (tinnitus), tingling hands & feet, feeling hot or cold,
grinding teeth at night, oily skin, sweating during sleep, heartburn,
cracking joints, tight & twitching muscles, poor memory, shyness, fear
of commitment, fear of confrontation, apathy about personal issues
(money/property/health), short attention span, poor reading
comprehension, ,depression, suicidal thoughts, and more.
After a friend told me how she cured her 5-year bout with doctor-
diagnosed Fibromyalgia by having some of her mercury-amalgam
("silver") dental fillings removed, I began researching the subject.
After realizing that mercury poisoning is related to numerous diseases
and emotional symptoms, I had my "silver" fillings replaced with white
fillings and all of my physical symptoms went away, in 24 hours,
others in just a few weeks.
Over the following 2 years, my memory became better than it had been
ever in my life, my ability to focus and comprehend what I read
improved dramatically, and my 15-years of depression and suicidal
thoughts vanished.
This was a dramatic changing point in my life.
Please take a moment to read my story and see if you can relate to the
symptoms that I had: My Story
Remember, you can be exposed to mercury through "silver" dental
fillings, tattoos, coal-burning power plants, vaccines (yes, many
vaccines still have mercury in them as confirmed via independent
testing), dentures (per Huggins), and certain medications.
I really want to the world to know and understand that mercury can
cause depression, OCD, Autism, and numerous other emotional/
psychological problems in humans.
Please see my blog in this website for more information.
http://www.toxicteeth.org/pressRoom_releases_031903_polluters.cfm
http://www.mercurypoisoned.com/
The fact that mercury can be absorbed and reach toxic levels in
human tissues makes any and all exposure to that element of scientific
interest.
(reach toxic levels, could this come from amalgams? It says makes
*any*
and*all*)
Studies showing measurable elemental mercury vapor release from
dental amalgams have raised renewed concern about amalgam safety.
Mercury vapor absorption occurs through the lungs, with about 80% of
the
inhaled vapor being absorbed by the lungs and rapidly entering the
bloodstream.
(Where does these mercury vapor come from??)
Following distribution by blood circulation, mercury can enter and
remain in
certain tissues for longer periods of time, since the half-life of
excretion is
prolonged. Two of the primaryt arget organs of concern are the central
- quote -
> nervous system and kidneys.
(The central nervous system ah, you don't suppose my PN came from the
same
place as my mercury poisoning do you?)
Whole-body imaging of the distribution of mercury released from dental
fillings
into monkey tissues
(is mercury released from amalgams??)
The present investigation demonstrates the bodily distribution of
amalgam Hg in
a
monkey whose dentition, diet, feeding regimen, and chewing pattern
closely
resemble those of humans.
When amalgam fillings, which normally contain 50% Hg, are made with a
tracer of
radioactive 203Hg and then placed into monkey teeth, the isotope
appears in
high concentration in various organs and tissues within 4wk.
Research in molecular biology has elucidated mechanisms that may
underlie the
toxic effects of mercury.
Studies of the effects of mercury on the immune system in rodents have
enhanced
knowledge of the mechanisms whereby mercury affects the immune system.
Clinical
studies of occupationally exposed employees have objectively confirmed
subclinical influence of mercury on the immune system at low levels of
mercury
exposure.
The thyroid has been identified as the target organ for the toxic
effect of
mercury in occupational exposure to mercury vapour in low doses.
Clinical studies of the effects of mercury on occupationally exposed
workers,
using modern diagnostic methods, have elucidated the connection
between
dose
and effect. They have also identified and quantified
neuropsychological
symptoms at low exposure levels.
Relation between symptoms and mercury concentrations in saliva after
chewing.
The Tübingen amalgam study could establish in the especially examined
group of
21-40 year old persons a statistically significant relation between
mercury
levels in saliva and symptoms. Only symptoms which are characteristic
of
subacute or chronic mercury exposure in the low-level range were
studied.
Low-level chronic exposures to mercury may affect the peripheral
nervous system
resulting in polyneuropathies (reduced sensory and motor nerve
function) and
neuropsychological effects (visual alterations, sensory loss, stress)
(ATSDR
1989); these effects correlate to tissue levels of 20 to 40 µg/g.
Neuropsychological effects were also reported by Smith et al. (1970)
for
occupational exposure to mercury levels of > 0.1 mg/m3. Mercury
concentrations
below this value did not appear to cause observable effects. Kishi et
al.
(1993) reported that neurobehavioral and motor function effects
persisted in
ex-mercury miners more than 10 years after cessation of exposure.
Once inhaled, elemental mercury is mostly converted to an inorganic
divalent or
mercuric form by catalase in the red blood cells. This inorganic form
has
similar properties to organic mercury. Small amounts of non-oxidized
elemental
mercury continue to persist and account for CNS toxicity.
Elemental mercury, as a vapor, which escapes from fillings, penetrates
the
blood-brain-barrier and enters the CNS, where it's ionized and
trapped,
attributing to its significant toxic effects
http://www.floridalcv.org/FLCVEdFund...ct_of_dental_a...
Environmental Effect of Dental Amalgam
Mercury is one of the most toxic substances commonly encountered, and
according
to Government agencies causes adverse health effects in large numbers
of people
in the U.S.[1] The extreme toxicity of mercury can be seen from
documented
effects on wildlife by very low levels of mercury exposure. The
average
amalgam
filling has more than ½ gram of mercury, and has been documented to
continuously leak mercury into the body of those with amalgam fillings
due to
the low mercury vapor pressure and galvanic current induced by mixed
metals in
the mouth.
1. Hg plasma concentration correlated with no.of amalgam fillings.
http://tinyurl.com/cdb0 2003
2. Correlation between number of fillings and salivary Hg.
http://tinyurl.com/cgs 2000
3. The amount of organic and inorganic mercury in paraffin-stimulated
saliva
was significantly higher in subjects with dental amalgam fillings
http://tinyurl.com/cgs1 2001
4. Mercury vapour release increases with chewing, with absorption and
uptake
by the brain and kidneys. http://tinyurl.com/cczd 2002
5. Amalgam causes nerve cell toxicity in culture.
http://tinyurl.com/ccyo
2003
6. Plasma concentrations of mercury before and after treatment
supported the
metal exposure to be causative for the ill health.
http://tinyurl.com/ccyr
2002
7 None of the materials tested consistently prevented microleakage.
http://tinyurl.com/cfcg 2002
8. In neither of the nonamalgam groups was this [wastewater] limit
exceeded,
but 20.5% in the amalgam group exceeded the limit
http://tinyurl.com/ccyu 2002
9. I-Hg levels in placenta increased with an increasing number of
maternal
dental amalgam fillings (p < 0.001)... a substantial fraction of
maternal blood
I-Hg, probably as Hg(0), reached the fetus. http://tinyurl.com/cgrz
2002
10 Evidence of a pro-oxidant role of the amalgam Hg chronically
released in
saliva. http://tinyurl.com/cgrv 2002
11. Mercury released into air from dry abraded amalgam was shown to be
above
the recommended industrial limit http://tinyurl.com/cf7j 2002
http://www.chem-tox.com/pregnancy/mercury.htm
Low Level Mercury Causes Behavior Problems During Pregnancy
Subtle behavior problems were observed in mice offspring exposed to a
single
low level mercury dose.
In summarizing the results of their study, the researchers stated,
"This hypothesis generating study showed highly significant
correlations
between mood scores and most measures of low level Hg (mercury)
exposure. The
specific mood measures most associated with Hg exposure were tension,
fatigue,
and confusion. The strength of these associations suggests that mood
should be
included for investigation in future hypothesis-testing studies.....
Among the
cognitive and motor function tests, only the digit span and simple
reaction
time (nondominant hand) scores were associated with any measure of
exposure...... Overall, and despite the small size of the study
population,
this investigation found some evidence of adverse preclinical effects
at
mercury doses averaging 36 ugs/l in urine. The mood and symptom
results
of this
study agree with prior evaluations of both high and low urinary
mercury
doses.
These preliminary survey findings support a critical evaluation of the
adequacy
of the 50 ug/g creatinine biologic threshold for mercury proposed by
the World
Health Organization This is the first U.S. dental study to detect
potential
behavioral deficits at such a low level of exposure. A larger and more
comprehensive study is required to accurately determine a biologic
threshold of
adverse central and peripheral nervous system effects for elemental
mercury."
Drs. Diana Echeverria, Nicholas J. Heyer, Michael D. Martin, Conrad A
Naleway
Depart. of Environ. Health, Univ. of Washington, School of Dentistry,
Univ. of
Washington Neurotoxicology and Teratology, Vol. 17(2):161-168, 1995
Dopamine Uptake in Brain Cells Changed By Methylmercury
Attention Deficit Disorder children were reported in other headings in
this
book as having altered dopamine levels. Several compounds, including
alcohol,
have been shown to alter dopamine levels in test animals. Now,
researchers at
Duke University Medical School have shown that even very low levels of
methylmercury result in dopamine and norepinephrine brain
neurotransmitter
changes.
Important : Citations of scientific journal references found in this
web page, and on this website are for journalistic and educational
purposes only, presented as a free exchange of ideas. They do not
represent a recommendation, endorsement, diagnosis, nor prescription
for any health disorder or remedy by the authors, or their publishers.
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Mercury exposure from mercury dental fillings, also known as "silver"
fillings and "amalgams", is a life long threat. When a person chews,
drinks, swallows and breathes, mercury released from dental fillings
is absorbed by the lungs and the linings of the digestive system into
the bloodstream. As they corrode, mercury fillings release ionized
mercury into the saliva, tooth pulp, and gum tissues leading to the
digestive system and bloodstream.
Measurements of momentary mercury levels in breath have been
scientifically collected in multiple studies. There has been much
debate about the potential safety hazard because mercury vapor levels
measured in the mouth are not always above the standards set for
exposure in the workplace.
Overlooked has been the amount of mercury in feces, which demonstrates
both exposure and excretion from the blood and tissues by the liver.
The levels measured by Osterblad et. al. in the article "Antimicrobial
and mercury resistance in aerobic gram-negative bacilli in fecal flora
among persons with and without dental amalgam fillings" published in
Antimicrobial Agents & Chemotherapy, 39(11):2499-502 1995 Nov; are
disturbing, and clearly demonstrate that human mercury exposure is
dominated by the presence of mercury dental fillings.
Osterblad found that on average people with mercury dental fillings
had 17 times more mercury in their feces than did people who had never
had mercury dental fillings, and had 11 times more mercury in feces
than did people who had all of their mercury dental fillings removed.
The group with mercury dental fillings had more than 1 part per
million mercury in their feces.
At the first standard deviation, the difference between these
populations becomes more dramatic. People with mercury dental fillings
had nearly 4 parts per million mercury in feces, 39 times more mercury
than did people who never had the fillings.
Osterblad's data indicates that 1 person in 1000 with mercury dental
fillings will have 10 parts per million mercury in their daily feces,
170 times more mercury than the average person who has never had such
a filling.
The safe limit of mercury allowed by the EPA in drinking water is 2
parts per billion (see ASTDR ToxFAQ CAS# 7439-97-6) . What Osterblad
found in the feces of people with mercury dental fillings was an
average concentration 500 times higher than would be allowed in
minimally safe drinking water.
The graph below compares the amount of mercury found in feces by
Osterblad et. al.. The group represented by the yellow bar had never
had mercury dental fillings. The group represented by the red bar once
had mercury dental fillings, but had them removed before the study.
The blue bar represents the population that still had mercury dental
fillings in their teeth at the time of the study.
"Mercury exposure from mercury dental fillings, also known as "silver"
fillings and "amalgams", is a life long threat. When a person chews,
drinks,
swallows and breathes, mercury released from dental fillings is
absorbed by
the lungs and the linings of the digestive system into the
bloodstream. As
they corrode, mercury fillings release ionized mercury into the
saliva,
tooth pulp, and gum tissues leading to the digestive system and
bloodstream.
Measurements of momentary mercury levels in breath have been
scientifically
collected in multiple studies. There has been much debate about the
potential safety hazard because mercury vapor levels measured in the
mouth
are not always above the standards set for exposure in the workplace.
Overlooked has been the amount of mercury in feces, which demonstrates
both
exposure and excretion from the blood and tissues by the liver. The
levels
measured by Osterblad et. al. in the article "Antimicrobial and
mercury
resistance in aerobic gram-negative bacilli in fecal flora among
persons
with and without dental amalgam fillings" published in Antimicrobial
Agents
& Chemotherapy, 39(11):2499-502 1995 Nov; are disturbing, and clearly
demonstrate that human mercury exposure is dominated by the presence
of
mercury dental fillings.
Osterblad found that on average people with mercury dental fillings
had 17
times more mercury in their feces than did people who had never had
mercury
dental fillings, and had 11 times more mercury in feces than did
people who
had all of their mercury dental fillings removed. The group with
mercury
dental fillings had more than 1 part per million mercury in their
feces.
At the first standard deviation, the difference between these
populations
becomes more dramatic. People with mercury dental fillings had nearly
4
parts per million mercury in feces, 39 times more mercury than did
people
who never had the fillings.
Osterblad's data indicates that 1 person in 1000 with mercury dental
fillings will have 10 parts per million mercury in their daily feces,
170
times more mercury than the average person who has never had such a
filling.
The safe limit of mercury allowed by the EPA in drinking water is 2
parts
per billion (see ASTDR ToxFAQ CAS# 7439-97-6) . What Osterblad found
in the
feces of people with mercury dental fillings was an average
concentration
500 times higher than would be allowed in minimally safe drinking
water."
http://www.cfsn.com/dental.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/5291448
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20098082
Peter Bowditch
>On May 16, 3:38 am, Peter Bowditch <myfirstn...@ratbags.com> wrote:
>> Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> Bwahahahahahaha! The subject line mentions something that doesn't
>> exist - "mercury amalgams".
>
>A repeated lie.
No, it is not. A mercury amalgam would be a mixture of mercury and
mercury. It would stay in bottom teeth if you didn't move your head
but would run out of top teeth, as it is a liquid.
>
>
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=mercury%20amalgam
So what? It is quite reasonable for papers about dental amalgam to
contain both the words somewhere. For example, here are the first
three papers returned by that search:
A Comparative Electrochemical Behaviour Study and Analytical Detection
of the p-Nitrophenol Using Silver Solid Amalgam, Mercury, and Silver
Electrodes.
Mercury (Hg) burden in children: The impact of dental amalgam.
Dental clinics: A point pollution source, not only of mercury but also
of other amalgam constituents.
Consider this search:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=plogiston
It returns 19 papers. Does this mean phlogiston exists?
>http://www.everydayhealth.com/forums/emotional-health/topic/when-my-mercury-amalgam-fillings-were-removed-17-physical-symptoms-went
>
>When My Mercury-Amalgam Fillings Were Removed, 17 Physical Symptoms
>Went Away and Numerous Emotions Issues, Including Depression.
The fact that some ignoramus uses a stupid expression does not
validate the stupid expression.
<snip further paranoia>
Bob Officer
Jan Drew <jdrew...@aol.com> wrote:
>On May 16, 3:38 am, Peter Bowditch <myfirstn...@ratbags.com> wrote:
>> Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> Bwahahahahahaha! The subject line mentions something that doesn't
>> exist - "mercury amalgams".
>
>A repeated lie.
>
>
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=mercury%20amalgam
>
>2195
>
>http://www.everydayhealth.com/forums/emotional-health/topic/when-my-mercury-amalgam-fillings-were-removed-17-physical-symptoms-went
>
>When My Mercury-Amalgam Fillings Were Removed, 17 Physical Symptoms
There are silver amalgam fillings, not mercury.
A person with a little bit of knowledge would know that, jan.
--
Bob Officer
"There must be some limit to the thing. It cannot go on to infinity"
"Es muss ein Ende geben, es kann nicht bis ins Unendliche weitergehen"
Samuel Hahnemann to Dr Schreter, Sept 13th 1829. Writing about dilutions
of Homeopathic Dilutions.
Happy Oyster <>
>On May 16, 3:38 am, Peter Bowditch <myfirstn...@ratbags.com> wrote:
>> Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> Bwahahahahahaha! The subject line mentions something that doesn't
>> exist - "mercury amalgams".
>
>A repeated lie.
No, you idiot.
An amalgam can only be made with other metals than mercury.
--
Krebsforum Lazarus
Das Forum für alternative Krebstherapie
Jan Drew
> Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
> Bwahahahahahaha! The subject line mentions something that doesn't
> exist - "mercury amalgams".
A repeated lie.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=mercury%20amalgam
2195
http://www.everydayhealth.com/forums/emotional-health/topic/when-my-m...
When My Mercury-Amalgam Fillings Were Removed, 17 Physical Symptoms
Went Away and Numerous Emotions Issues, Including Depression.
http://www.toxicteeth.org/pressRoom_releases_031903_polluters.cfm
http://www.mercurypoisoned.com/
> nervous system and kidneys.
http://www.floridalcv.org/FLCVEdFund...ct_of_dental_a...
http://www.chem-tox.com/pregnancy/mercury.htm
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Happy Oyster <>
>>When My Mercury-Amalgam Fillings Were Removed, 17 Physical Symptoms
>
>There are silver amalgam fillings, not mercury.
>
>A person with a little bit of knowledge would know that, jan.
For how long is she in war about dental amalgams? A decade? And she still does
not know. But she messed up with Joel M. Eichen. She messed up really badly. And
that is only one of the reasons why I am so tough in uncovering her crimes.
Jan Drew
> On Wed, 8 Jun 2011 13:58:45 -0700 (PDT), in misc.health.alternative,
>
>
>
>
>
> Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
> >On May 16, 3:38 am, Peter Bowditch <myfirstn...@ratbags.com> wrote:
> >> Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >> Bwahahahahahaha! The subject line mentions something that doesn't
> >> exist - "mercury amalgams".
>
> >A repeated lie.
>
> >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=mercury%20amalgam
>
> >2195
>
>
> >When My Mercury-Amalgam Fillings Were Removed, 17 Physical Symptoms
>
> There are silver amalgam fillings, not mercury.
>
> A person with a little bit of knowledge would know that, jan.
That would be Jan, not jan.
You are a liar and harasser.
PubMed Citation
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
In vitro cytotoxicity of amalgams made with binary Hg-In liquid
alloys.
Authors:
Nakajima H
Wataha JC
Rockwell LC
Okabe T
Author Address: Department of Biomaterials Science, Baylor College of
Dentistry-Texas A&M University System, Dallas, USA.
hnak...@tambcd.edu
Source: Dent Mater. 1997, May; 13(3):168-73. [Dental materials :
official publication of the Academy of Dental Materials]
Abstract:
OBJECTIVE: Mercury vapor release from amalgams during setting
significantly decreases when the amalgams are prepared with binary Hg-
In liquid alloys. The objective of this study was to compare the
cytotoxicity of amalgams made with experimental Hg-In alloys with that
of amalgam without In and a commercial In-containing amalgam.
METHODS: Amalgam specimens were prepared by triturating a high-Cu
alloy powder (Tytin, Kerr) with pure Hg or Hg-In liquid alloy
containing 5, 20 or 50% In and also by triturating an In-containing
high-copper alloy powder (Indiloy, Shofu) with pure Hg. After the
specimens were aged for 2 wk, a cylindrical specimen of each amalgam
was immersed consecutively in cell culture medium for 0-8, 8-48 and
48-72 h. The cytotoxicity of the extracts was determined by placing
them in contact with Balb/c 3T3 mouse fibroblasts for 24 h, after
which the succinic dehydrogenase (SDH) activity was measured and
expressed as a percentage of the Teflon negative controls. The results
were statistically compared using ANOVA and Tukey's test (alpha =
0.05). The concentration of elements released into the extracts was
determined by atomic absorption spectrophotometry and evaluated by
Kruskal-Wallis and nonparametric multiple comparisons.
RESULTS: For the 0-8 h and 8-48 h intervals, the 20% In amalgam was
significantly (p < 0.05) less toxic than the other amalgams, and not
different from the Teflon control. Results for the other amalgams were
only slightly depressed compared to the Teflon control. For the 48-72
h interval, all amalgams were essentially no different from the
control. Copper was the element dominantly released into the medium
from all the amalgams tested.
SIGNIFICANCE: For amalgam tested after aging, alloying indium to
mercury did not deleteriously affect the cytotoxicity of the resultant
amalgam compared to the amalgam without indium.
Medical Subject Headings (MeSH):
3T3 Cells/drug effects
Analysis of Variance
Animals
Copper/toxicity
Dental Alloys/*toxicity
Dental Amalgam/chemistry/*toxicity
Indium/toxicity
Mercury/chemistry
Mice
Mice, Inbred BALB C
Statistics, Nonparametric
Volatilization
CAS Registry Numbers:
Dental Alloys (0)
tytin (63807-68-1)
indiloy (64367-04-0)
Mercury (7439-97-6)
Copper (7440-50-8)
Indium (7440-74-6)
Dental Amalgam (8049-85-2)
Language: English
International Standard Serial Number: 0109-5641 (Print)
Publication Types:
Journal Article
Research Support, U.S. Gov't, P.H.S.
Supporting Agency: NIDCR NIH HHS (DE) -- United States
Grant/Contract Funding: DE 07644
Entry Month: October, 1998
Title Abbreviation: Dent Mater
Year of Publication: 1997
Last Revision Date: November 14, 2007
Medline Citation: NLM
Country: UNITED STATES
Citation Subset: D
Medline Title Abbreviation: Dental materials : official publication of
the Academy of Dental Materials
Stat: MEDLINE
Document Number: medline/9758970
>
> --
> Bob Officer
http://www.psicounsel.com/bobofficer.html
To date I have not failed at anything I ever
attempted to do."
"Ever."
Jan Drew
> On Wed, 8 Jun 2011 13:58:45 -0700 (PDT), Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
> >On May 16, 3:38 am, Peter Bowditch <myfirstn...@ratbags.com> wrote:
> >> Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >> Bwahahahahahaha! The subject line mentions something that doesn't
> >> exist - "mercury amalgams".
>
> >A repeated lie.
>
> No, you idiot.
Name calling again.
>
> An amalgam can only be made with other metals than mercury.
I already posted the truth about mercury amalgams.
Try learning something for a change.
http://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/sis/search/f?./temp/~f5pKrh:6
Happy Oyster <>
>On May 16, 3:38 am, Peter Bowditch <myfirstn...@ratbags.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Bwahahahahahaha! The subject line mentions something that doesn't
>> exist - "mercury amalgams".
>
>
>
>A repeated lie.
No, you idiot. NO!
Happy Oyster <>
>> >A repeated lie.
Janet Mae Drew is too damned stupid to count to 2.
How deep can a person sink?
Happy Oyster <>
>On Jun 8, 6:46 pm, Happy Oyster <<**~.@.~**>> wrote:
>> On Wed, 8 Jun 2011 13:58:45 -0700 (PDT), Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
>> >On May 16, 3:38 am, Peter Bowditch <myfirstn...@ratbags.com> wrote:
>> >> Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> Bwahahahahahaha! The subject line mentions something that doesn't
>> >> exist - "mercury amalgams".
>>
>> >A repeated lie.
>>
>> No, you idiot.
>
>Name calling again.
No. Just saying the truth.
>> An amalgam can only be made with other metals than mercury.
>
>I already posted the truth about mercury amalgams.
No. You are a rotten stupid liar and stalker.
You stalked and harassed Joel M. Eichen.
Bob Officer
Jan Drew <jdrew...@aol.com> wrote:
>On Jun 8, 5:52 pm, Bob Officer <-*-*.@.*-*-> wrote:
>> On Wed, 8 Jun 2011 13:58:45 -0700 (PDT), in misc.health.alternative,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
>> >On May 16, 3:38 am, Peter Bowditch <myfirstn...@ratbags.com> wrote:
>> >> Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> Bwahahahahahaha! The subject line mentions something that doesn't
>> >> exist - "mercury amalgams".
>>
>> >A repeated lie.
>>
>> >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=mercury%20amalgam
>>
>> >2195
>>
>> >http://www.everydayhealth.com/forums/emotional-health/topic/when-my-m...
>>
>> >When My Mercury-Amalgam Fillings Were Removed, 17 Physical Symptoms
>>
>> There are silver amalgam fillings, not mercury.
>>
>> A person with a little bit of knowledge would know that, jan.
>
>That would be Jan, not jan.
You get the respect you deserve jan, when you start acting like a
person you will be treated like one. No run off and sober up.
>You are a liar and harasser.
That would be your drunken projection.
>PubMed Citation
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>In vitro cytotoxicity of amalgams made with binary Hg-In liquid
>alloys.
>Authors:
jan, amalgams are made by mixing other metals with mercury. all
amalgams have mercury in then by definition.
When you see someone write Mercury amalgams, start questioning
everything they write.
You can make silver amalgams
Gold amalgams, In amalgams. I suppose you could even make lead
amalgams if you wanted.
Since all amalgams are made with Mercury saying "Mercury Amalgam" is
saying you mixed mercury with mercury.
Just read the one line I left about. it illustrates the point you
missed.
Once again, go sober up, you are an embarrassment to all senior
citizens everywhere.
Keith P Walsh
>
> Dental amalgam, however, has been shown to be safe.
>
This is not true.
What has been shown is that amalgam dental fillings generate
electrical potentials of up to 350 millivolts, see
http://book.boot.users.btopenworld.com/dutch.htm
(And the resting potential of the human neurological synapse is only
70 millivolts.)
These potentials can be easily measured using an ordinary multimeter,
see http://book.boot.users.btopenworld.com/potentials.htm, and it
appears that they are present even when the fillings are not in
contact with any saliva.
However, what has not been established is the degree of effect that
these potentials have, either physically or emotionally, on the normal
neurological function of people with amalgam fillings in their teeth.
It has been proposed that the electrical potentials generated by metal
amalgam dental fillings are able to dissipate electrical energy
through the nerves in people's heads and, in so doing, make people
unhappy.
And in extreme though not unusual cases they are also able to cause
permanent neurological injury which cannot be repaired simply by the
removal of the fillings.
If this is correct then it may be argued that a large proportion of
what are commonly described as "psychiatric disorders" are in fact
caused by the low-level but constant dissipation of electrical energy
through the nerves in people's heads from the amalgam fillings in
their teeth, and also that the adoption of such a material for use in
restorative dentistry may rank as the single greatest technological
error that western society has, in its ignorance, ever visited upon
itself.
And remember, if you have been taught to believe that metals must be
involved in electrolytic reactions in order to generate electrical
potentials then I am afraid that you are already party to this
ignorance.
Keith P Walsh
PS, for further explanation visit:
http://book.boot.users.btopenworld.com/intro.htm
http://book.boot.users.btopenworld.com/dutch.htm
http://book.boot.users.btopenworld.com/potentials.htm
http://www.its.org/ztforum
or search Google Groups for
The Prosperity of the Mercury-Free Dentist
Advice for Anti-Amalgam Dentists Under Fire
Anti-Amalgam Countries Under Scrutiny
Amalgam Potentials Measured in Absence of Saliva - In 1952!
Happy Oyster <>
<keith....@btinternet.com> wrote:
>On May 15, 5:37 am, Ankur <an...@lipidity.com> wrote:
>>
>> Dental amalgam, however, has been shown to be safe.
>>
>
>This is not true.
>
>What has been shown is that amalgam dental fillings generate
>electrical potentials of up to 350 millivolts, see
Repeating that stuff for a decade does not make the claims true nor does it make
the position against dental amalgam clear.
The only good web-page aboput dental amalgams is this:
http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_av1.htm
BTW: I made it.
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> It has been proposed that the electrical potentials generated by metal
> amalgam dental fillings are able to dissipate electrical energy
> through the nerves in people's heads and, in so doing, make people
> unhappy.
Load of baloney.
Are gold fillings and stainless steel crowns bad as well? They're shiny too!
> dissipate electrical energy through the nerves in people's heads
Do you mean that ("dissipate electrical energy") literally?
> and, in so doing, make people unhappy
From unnecessary worry.
> And in extreme though not unusual cases they are also able to cause
> permanent neurological injury which cannot be repaired simply by the
> removal of the fillings.
How?
> If this is correct then it may be argued that a large proportion of
> what are commonly described as "psychiatric disorders" are in fact
> caused by the low-level but constant dissipation of electrical energy
> through the nerves in people's heads from the amalgam fillings in
> their teeth, and also that the adoption of such a material for use in
> restorative dentistry may rank as the single greatest technological
> error that western society has, in its ignorance, ever visited upon
> itself.
It has been proposed that amalgam is safe. If this is correct, then it
may be argued that the fear-mongering over its use is in fact caused
by low-level but constant electrical activity through the nerves in
people's heads from the function of their brain, and also that
arguments against amalgam may rank as the single greatest
epistemological error that conspiracy theorists have, in their
paranoia, inflicted upon us all.
(I have yet to see any proof of the danger of amalgam restorations
that does not require ignorance or misunderstanding of physics,
biology, chemistry and statistics. I'd love to see such a thing, but,
as with evolution, it's not always easy to filter out the quacks)
--
Ankur
Happy Oyster <>
>* Keith P Walsh <keith....@btinternet.com>
>> It has been proposed that the electrical potentials generated by metal
>> amalgam dental fillings are able to dissipate electrical energy
>> through the nerves in people's heads and, in so doing, make people
>> unhappy.
>
>Load of baloney.
>
>Are gold fillings and stainless steel crowns bad as well? They're shiny too!
Yes! Of course! This is why some crooks (to put it mildly) sell ceramic crowns
for tens of thousands of Euros.
>> dissipate electrical energy through the nerves in people's heads
>
>Do you mean that ("dissipate electrical energy") literally?
Yes, of course! The crooks claim that the electric train wires dissipate esmog
which the metallic dental pieces attract as antennas.
Imagine: esmog with 16 2/3 Hertz!
And the criminal Mercola advertises for the crooks who sell such shit.
Keith P Walsh
>
> Are gold fillings and stainless steel crowns bad as well?
>
The abstract from the scientific paper at:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3465773?dopt=Abstract
- appears to confirm that the electrical potentials generated by
amalgam dental fillings are generally greater than those generated by
gold ones.
I often find that self-proclaimed "scientists" such as yourself simply
ignore experimental evidence which either you don't understand or
which doesn't correspond with your own preferred view of the world.
And here in the UK you would very quickly acquire a somwhat
unflattering monicker that rhymes with your name.
Keith P Walsh
Happy Oyster <>
<keith....@btinternet.com> wrote:
>On Jun 17, 10:51�am, Ankur <an...@lipidity.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Are gold fillings and stainless steel crowns bad as well?
>>
>
>The abstract from the scientific paper at:
>
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3465773?dopt=Abstract
>
>- appears to confirm that the electrical potentials generated by
>amalgam dental fillings are generally greater than those generated by
>gold ones.
Oh, it "appears". Did Walsh ever hear of the voltages generated by different
metals in acids?
>I often find that self-proclaimed "scientists" such as yourself simply
>ignore experimental evidence which either you don't understand or
>which doesn't correspond with your own preferred view of the world.
That is bullshit. In contrast to Walsh I can prove my claims.
>And here in the UK you would very quickly acquire a somwhat
>unflattering monicker that rhymes with your name.
>
>Keith P Walsh
That is bullshit. Walsh obviously has no facts, so he uses name calling. How
typical.
BTW: I have one of the earliest web-pages about dental amalgam. This is what I
began with in the Net:
http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_av1.htm
The esotters of course do not like it. Why? Because it debunks their false
claims, claims they use to rip of unknowing patients.
One of them is a very poor fellow. I do not know if he still is alive. He called
me for help ecause he had believed the claims of the criminals, so he took
medicaments which destroyed his brain.
http://ariplex.com/ama/amabb007.htm
<quote>
Betroffene berichten
"Leben" mit Amalgam-Vergiftung
- und andere Dinge im Umgang mit �rzten -
7
6.1.2002
*
(A20106)
Allzuleicht verlassen sich Kranke auf Behauptungen Anderer. Manche bezahlen
diese Gutgl�ubigkeit mit dem Leben.
Gerade noch mit dem Leben davongekommen, aber schwerkrank ist der arme Mann, der
mir erlaubt hat, seine Bitte um Hilfe zu ver�ffentlichen.
Falls jemand etwas wei�, das ihm helfen kann: BITTE MELDEN SIE SICH!
Ill people too often believe in what others say. Many pay for this with their
life.
Having survived but severly ill, a poor man sent me this email and allowed me to
publish his request for help.
If someone knows something which might help: PLEASE CONTACT ME VIA EMAIL!
d e c k e r s @ a r i p l e x . c o m
Aribert Deckers
DMSA and the DMSA-Hg complex half-life, and the normal values.
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001
Hi!
I was looking for S. Emerson's old page - and found your mirror. If you know his
present e-mail address please forward that message quoted below to him.
I would also be grateful if you would reply to that letter as well. Thank you!
(Name)
------- Forwarded message follows -------
Hi!
I hope that you remeber my e-mail from October 1999. I am sorry for such a
long silence, but the enormity of the disasters in my family in recent years
is just incredible.
I lost finaly my job due to the illness, and I got cerebral haemorhage on the
1st of June 2000 - for four weeks doctors were not sure if I survive, but I am
still alive as you see.
I got that cerebral haemorrage during taking of DMSA. Who knows maybe it
was involved in it? I found on that page http://www.altcorp.com/hgtoxicity.htm
an information that DMSA can cause thrombocystosis. I was taking DMSA
produced by Fluka as a chemical reagent (>98% pure). Medical pills of DMSA
were rather too expensive for me.
I felt worse than usually when taking DMSA - is that normal reaction?
I keep my urine samples (gathered when taking DMSA) frozen in photografic
film plastic containers.
I would like to measure Hg level in it, but they (a lab in Lodz, Poland)
want to charge me for every container as for completely separated analysis,
so I have to choose just a few samples (3 or maybe 5 samples) for analysis
to reduce my expenses. They would measure it by AAS cold vapours technique.
I don't know what is metabolism and half-life of DMSA and DMSA-Hg complex
in our organisms, so I am not sure which samples to choose for analysis.
Maybe you could help me? I am attaching a word file with a table indicating
when and how much DMSA I took, and when urine samples were taken. On
the last page in that file is also a copy of my CAT scan.
Do you know what values of Hg are considered normal and what high in urine
*when taking DMSA*? I would be grateful if you would provide me with that
data.
I am now on 1 year of temporary pension due to the cerebral heamorrahage,
though I have been already not able to work earlier due to Hg vapours
poisoning in the lab with severe CFIDS/ME like symptoms. This year also my
grandmother had a stroke (we don't even know for sure whether that was a
bleeding stroke or not, because doctors here stint on doing CAT scans or MRI
for elderly people), and she became left side paralysed. My mother is also
not well, having very strong headaches. We both being ill have to take care
alone about my paralysed grandmother - it is very exhausting, and often we
also cannot sleep at night because of her (she often doesn't sleep all night
long talking often without much sense to herself - that's another result of
the stroke). Doctors here are not helpful at all, they would rather want us
all to die, so that we would not bother them again. And what are the
conditions and treatment in our hospitals is a subject for yet another long
horror story.
We just live in hell on Earth.
We would like to move out from here to another country, but that's not easy
without any help from outside.
I'll better finish here.
Hope to hear from you soon.
Best wishes
[Name)
------ End of forwarded message -------
*
hier geht's weiter !
[ Das Amalgam-Zentrum ]
Copyright � 2000 - 2002
Aribert Deckers
and
Copyright � 2000 - 2002
Antares Real-Estate
Jegliche Weiterverwendung der Texte der Amalgam-Page ist verboten.
Verlage d�rfen sich wegen der Nachdruckrechte per Email an mich wenden.
Aribert Deckers
</quote>
And guys like Walsh mislead patients. Walsh was so many times that he is talking
shit, but he still goes on. I consider his behavior plain criminal.
Peter Bowditch
>On May 15, 5:37 am, Ankur <an...@lipidity.com> wrote:
>>
>> Dental amalgam, however, has been shown to be safe.
>>
>
>This is not true.
>
>What has been shown is that amalgam dental fillings generate
>electrical potentials of up to 350 millivolts, see
>http://book.boot.users.btopenworld.com/dutch.htm
Todd's back. George Hammond is back: Now Keith is back.
It's Usenet nostalgia time.
(And I was Mabused twice today on Twitter.)
Bob Officer
Keith P Walsh <keith....@btinternet.com> wrote:
>On May 15, 5:37 am, Ankur <an...@lipidity.com> wrote:
>>
>> Dental amalgam, however, has been shown to be safe.
>>
>
>This is not true.
>
>What has been shown is that amalgam dental fillings generate
>electrical potentials of up to 350 millivolts, see
>http://book.boot.users.btopenworld.com/dutch.htm
and how many Amps?
>
>(And the resting potential of the human neurological synapse is only
>70 millivolts.)
and how many amps?
You see you only state have the information, and fail to states with
the dielectric constant is for the human synapse.
>These potentials can be easily measured using an ordinary multimeter,
>see http://book.boot.users.btopenworld.com/potentials.htm, and it
>appears that they are present even when the fillings are not in
>contact with any saliva.
Such measurements are useless.
>However, what has not been established is the degree of effect that
>these potentials have, either physically or emotionally, on the normal
>neurological function of people with amalgam fillings in their teeth.
You have that information right, It hasn't been established, which
means at this point you are crying wolf.
>It has been proposed that the electrical potentials generated by metal
Proposed? By Whom?
>amalgam dental fillings are able to dissipate electrical energy
>through the nerves in people's heads and, in so doing, make people
>unhappy.
But no evidence has been shown that this is true.
>And in extreme though not unusual cases they are also able to cause
>permanent neurological injury which cannot be repaired simply by the
>removal of the fillings.
Still and unfounded proposal but persons unknown? Right.
>If this is correct then it may be argued that a large proportion of
If, But there is no evidence it is Correct.
>what are commonly described as "psychiatric disorders" are in fact
>caused by the low-level but constant dissipation of electrical energy
>through the nerves in people's heads from the amalgam fillings in
>their teeth, and also that the adoption of such a material for use in
>restorative dentistry may rank as the single greatest technological
>error that western society has, in its ignorance, ever visited upon
>itself.
>
>And remember, if you have been taught to believe that metals must be
>involved in electrolytic reactions in order to generate electrical
>potentials then I am afraid that you are already party to this
>ignorance.
Actually changes in heat, as well as flowing water/fluids can cause a
potential flow. But those are all millivolt @ sub nanoamp range.
Ankur
>
> generally greater than those generated by gold ones.
So gold fillings are ok, is that what you're saying?
But amalgam fillings _must_ be bad?
> I often find that self-proclaimed "scientists" such as yourself...
When did I become a self-proclaimed scientist?
Would it make a difference to the facts if I was one?
> simply ignore experimental evidence which either you don't understand or
> which doesn't correspond with your own preferred view of the world.
Like what? What am I ignoring? I know there are potentials created -
that's why people sometimes get "shocks". Extrapolating that to
"dissipating electrical energy in their heads" and "making them
unhappy" is completely unsubstantiated.
You're generalizing a lot. I did state that if there is valid
evidence I sincerely want to hear about it, but all you have is
"voltage from teeth travels through enamel and/or dentine, through
pulp, into a nerve and then into your brain" (which is technically
incorrect since you nerves don't detect voltage, and voltage doesn't flow,
but whatever). If it reaches the nerves in the pulp, it is felt as
pain, or a "shock" sensation. This is normal, and not likely
to change the function of the brain because that's what the nerve is
_supposed_ to do.
> And here in the UK you would very quickly acquire a somwhat
> unflattering monicker that rhymes with your name.
People who use that term (so far always in jest) are sometimes a
little embarassed to learn the correct pronunciation of my name.
--
Ankur
Happy Oyster <>
>On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 01:29:48 -0700 (PDT), in misc.health.alternative,
>Keith P Walsh <keith....@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>>On May 15, 5:37�am, Ankur <an...@lipidity.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dental amalgam, however, has been shown to be safe.
>>>
>>
>>This is not true.
>>
>>What has been shown is that amalgam dental fillings generate
>>electrical potentials of up to 350 millivolts, see
>>http://book.boot.users.btopenworld.com/dutch.htm
>
>and how many Amps?
Hard to say. The voltage drops with rapidly with rising current. The current
depends on acidity, etc. The important point is not the value of the current,
but the duration. The result is corrosion of the fillings.
Bob Officer
Oyster <<**~.@.~**>> wrote:
>On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 13:34:45 -0700, Bob Officer <-*-*.@.*-*-> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 01:29:48 -0700 (PDT), in misc.health.alternative,
>>Keith P Walsh <keith....@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On May 15, 5:37 am, Ankur <an...@lipidity.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dental amalgam, however, has been shown to be safe.
>>>>
>>>
>>>This is not true.
>>>
>>>What has been shown is that amalgam dental fillings generate
>>>electrical potentials of up to 350 millivolts, see
>>>http://book.boot.users.btopenworld.com/dutch.htm
>>
>>and how many Amps?
>
>Hard to say. The voltage drops with rapidly with rising current. The current
>depends on acidity, etc. The important point is not the value of the current,
>but the duration. The result is corrosion of the fillings.
This oscillation then resistance is not important at all the
Reactance and reluctance of the circuit is what matters. I doubt
there is enough combined voltage/amperage to over come the DEC and
jump the synapse gap.
If anything the Electrical potential would tend block pain, much like
a TENS unit would.
Happy Oyster <>
>On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 09:09:36 +0300, in misc.health.alternative, Happy
>Oyster <<**~.@.~**>> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 13:34:45 -0700, Bob Officer <-*-*.@.*-*-> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 01:29:48 -0700 (PDT), in misc.health.alternative,
>>>Keith P Walsh <keith....@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On May 15, 5:37�am, Ankur <an...@lipidity.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Dental amalgam, however, has been shown to be safe.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>This is not true.
>>>>
>>>>What has been shown is that amalgam dental fillings generate
>>>>electrical potentials of up to 350 millivolts, see
>>>>http://book.boot.users.btopenworld.com/dutch.htm
>>>
>>>and how many Amps?
>>
>>Hard to say. The voltage drops with rapidly with rising current. The current
>>depends on acidity, etc. The important point is not the value of the current,
>>but the duration. The result is corrosion of the fillings.
>
>This oscillation then resistance is not important at all the
>Reactance and reluctance of the circuit is what matters. I doubt
>there is enough combined voltage/amperage to over come the DEC and
>jump the synapse gap.
The only important thing is corrosion. A noticeable effect of the voltage only
occurs when one bites on metal, like aluminum.