Tetracycline Stain---PLEASE HELP!!! PLEASE PLEASE!!!
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objective advice. If you know of anyone who can answer this question please
forward this message to him or her.
I have tetracycline stain on my teeth. The stain is quite severe. My teeth
are dark brown mixed with grey. I have tried some tooth whitening procedures
using power bleaching and the BriteSmile bleaching. Although they did
lightened my teeth somewhat, but the effect went away after a few days.
(After all, the whitening did not make my teeth look normal right after I
left my dentist's office anyway! In addition, the procedures also caused
some tooth sensitivity!)
My dentist said the only way to get white teeth is by veneer.
Experts: Is this the ONLY way? Is there any other STATE-OF-THE-ART
technology that can remove the tetracycline stain without drastic procedure
such as veneer???
For example, is it POSSIBLE that one day you can simply PAINT a white color
on you teeth like the way ladies PAINT their fingers?? Is there any research
on TEETH-PAINTING or anything along the same line?? Is there any new
technology or promising research on procedure that can remove the
tetracycline stain without DRASTIC procedure like veneer or crowning???
PLEASE HELP ME !!!! THANKS!!!!
Please answer my questions OR FORWARD to some EXPERTS who know the answer!
Krzysztof Polanowski
From My experience This kind of problem is very difficult I think that
bleaching in your case could be useless,no effect....:(
Użytkownik "news.verizon.net" <k.c....@verizon.net> napisał w wiadomości
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Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.
>Hi, I am looking for an expert in this field who can give me some candid and
>objective advice. If you know of anyone who can answer this question please
>forward this message to him or her.
>
>I have tetracycline stain on my teeth. The stain is quite severe. My teeth
>are dark brown mixed with grey. I have tried some tooth whitening procedures
>using power bleaching and the BriteSmile bleaching. Although they did
>lightened my teeth somewhat, but the effect went away after a few days.
>(After all, the whitening did not make my teeth look normal right after I
Get porcelain veneers ,,,, a thin fingernail type of thing that is
bonded on the fronts of the six or eight frontmost teeth.
>left my dentist's office anyway! In addition, the procedures also caused
>some tooth sensitivity!)
>
>
Yup. YEOWWWW!
>My dentist said the only way to get white teeth is by veneer.
>
Yup.
Dr. Fred Veneer
235 Front Street
Pokipseeeeeee, NY
A great guy!
>
>Experts: Is this the ONLY way? Is there any other STATE-OF-THE-ART
>technology that can remove the tetracycline stain without drastic procedure
>such as veneer???
No way.
>
>
>For example, is it POSSIBLE that one day you can simply PAINT a white color
>on you teeth like the way ladies PAINT their fingers??
Who paints their fingers? ..... ummmmm, sorry .. I get it.
>Is there any research
>on TEETH-PAINTING or anything along the same line??
Sherman-Williams is experimenting but it is not in the stores yet.
> Is there any new
>technology or promising research on procedure that can remove the
>tetracycline stain without DRASTIC procedure like veneer or crowning???
>
Nah.
>
>PLEASE HELP ME !!!! THANKS!!!!
>
>
>
>Please answer my questions OR FORWARD to some EXPERTS who know the answer!
OK, Dr. Mancuso,,, what say thou?
>
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Joel M. Eichen, .
Philadelphia PA
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You should see how beautiful my tub looks after removing the
tetracycline stains ......... I am doing the toilet next.
(I may post photos).
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Thanks for anwering my questions.
I meant "fingernail-painting" when I said "finger-painting," which was a
typo.
You said someone is experimenting with the idea of "teeth-painting" If
such a technology is good enough so that the white color could block the
stain from behind, then wouldn't it be an improvement over the existing
technology because for porcelain veneers, the patient's surface of natural
teeth has to be removed before the porcelain material can be bonded onto the
teeth?
But :
1) Is such a technology promising?
2) How good will it be?
3) When will it become available.
I would appreciate that if you can HELP me with this. Or please tell me who
I should talk to.
Many thanks
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Krzysztof Polanowski
treatment I had problems with bleaching this situation effect was very
poorUzytkownik "Joel M. Eichen D.D.S." <joele...@yahoo.com> napisal w
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WB
First off I suspect this is troll bait.
What is your age ?
TC stain has been known about for some time now.
Turn off the CAPS key and I may consider answering your questions.
WB
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WB
Jokel is yanking your chain.
there is no such thing.
Carry on,
WB
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Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.
housepaint works on teeth.
Get veneers or live with the natural ones .....
On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 12:37:45 GMT, "news.verizon.net"
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Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.
>On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 12:37:45 GMT, "news.verizon.net" <k.c....@verizon.net> wrote:
Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.
those other dudes wake up!
On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 12:37:45 GMT, "news.verizon.net"
<k.c....@verizon.net> wrote:
Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.
Finger-painting.
Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.
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a lot of young Asians, particularly those from Mainland China, have dark
teeth? Millions of kids in East Asia born in the mid 1970s were given
tetracycline, and now they have dark brown teeth.
So, please tell me if there are any alternatives for veneers to remove my
stain.
Particularly, why is teeth-painting impossible? All you need is a non-toxic
white paint that can stay on your teeth for a while. It can be made like
nail-painting, right?? Why is this technology so hard to develop?
You can dye your hair and paint your fingernails. Why can't you paint your
teeth white? I assume finding a non-toxic white material is not very hard.
So please answer my question.
Thanks
Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.
better than no teeth."
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Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.
Whitening Pens
From BriteSmile
Looks like a pen or a lipstick!
Does it work? Who knows???
>On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 04:40:16 GMT, "news.verizon.net" <k.c....@verizon.net> wrote:
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Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.
>Hi, I am looking for an expert in this field who can give me some candid and
>objective advice. If you know of anyone who can answer this question please
>forward this message to him or her.
>
>I have tetracycline stain on my teeth. The stain is quite severe. My teeth
>are dark brown mixed with grey. I have tried some tooth whitening procedures
>using power bleaching and the BriteSmile bleaching. Although they did
>lightened my teeth somewhat, but the effect went away after a few days.
>(After all, the whitening did not make my teeth look normal right after I
>left my dentist's office anyway! In addition, the procedures also caused
>some tooth sensitivity!)
REPLY:
You think you got problems with whitening .... look at this!
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Posted on Mon, Nov. 10, 2003
'David' restoration causing an uproar
By Ken Dilanian
Inquirer Staff Writer
When Cinzia Parnigoni was a teenager, she kept a photo of
Michelangelo's David on her bedroom wall.
"He was my ideal man," she said.
These days, Parnigoni gets to gaze at David's rippling marble muscles
in person, in a way most people never will. A veteran art restorer,
she has been given the task of removing centuries of grime from one of
the world's most recognizable sculptures, in advance of its 500th
birthday next year.
"It's not a difficult restoration," she said last week after climbing
down from her scaffolding in the Galleria dell'Accademia, where more
than a million visitors line up each year to see the masterly nude
rendition of the biblical shepherd who slew Goliath. "But, of course,
I'm always tense, because it's such a heavy responsibility."
The tension has been magnified, Parnigoni admits, by the controversy
surrounding the method she is using to clean the Renaissance
masterpiece.
She is the second restorer to tackle the job. The first, Agnese
Parronchi, quit in April because she disagreed with Florentine
cultural authorities about how to clean the statue. Her departure
prompted an international campaign to reexamine the project.
At issue is whether David should have been cleaned only with soft
cloths, badger-hair brushes, and erasers - a "dry" method, as
Parronchi proposed - or whether the best course is the "wet" one
Parnigoni is employing.
It involves applying a kind of mud mask over rice paper that is
designed to draw out contaminants, as ordered by Franca Falletti,
Accademia director. Also at Falletti's behest, Parnigoni is using
cotton swabs doused with mineral solvents on small parts of the statue
that are covered in beeswax - the residue of long-ago dripping
torches.
Falletti's methods were endorsed by the Opificio delle Pietre Dure, a
national institution devoted to restoring stone-based works, after a
committee of scientists examined the sculpture. The group concluded
that the dry method risked pushing some particles into the marble,
Falletti said.
To the layperson, both methods seem gentle enough, particularly
compared with the last cleaning, in 1843, when the statue was bathed
in hydrochloric acid that stripped off its original patina. Indeed,
the venomous rhetoric that has infected the dispute - words like phony
and terrorist have been used by each side - seems out of place.
But there are larger forces at work: The cleaning of David is the
latest high-profile restoration to come under fire from a group of art
historians who argue that such projects tend to stem from impure, if
not corrupt, motives and often do more harm than good. Defenders of
the restorations, in turn, accuse the critics of grandstanding.
The chief American spokesman for the anti-restoration cause is James
Beck, a Columbia University professor who helps run a foundation
called ArtWatch International. Beck argues that the cleaning of David
is unnecessary. He says it is fueled by a desire to prettify great
art, to make it more palatable for mass tourism. If David is to be
cleaned at all, he says, the dry method is preferable.
"This is one of the most arrogant cultural acts of the 21st century,"
Beck said in a telephone interview. "There is absolutely no need to do
this, except for the egos of the people involved... . They want a
Bloomingdale's product."
Beck and his group also opposed the 20-year-long restoration of
Michelangelo's Sistine Chapel ceiling in the Vatican. That project,
which ended in 1999 with the ceiling far more vivid and colorful than
any living person had ever seen it, has been endorsed by a wide range
of experts who say it revealed the true nature of the work.
Others disagreed, among them Beck ally and former Time magazine critic
Alexander Eliot, who called it a "sugary, Disney-style" painting "of a
crass, consumerist nature."
After Parronchi resigned, Beck and 48 other art historians signed a
petition urging Italian authorities to halt the restoration, to no
avail.
Parnigoni, who took up the task in September, works even when the
Accademia is open to the public, though she tries to confine herself
to the two-story scaffolding that wraps David's back and sides during
those hours. When she works on the front of the statue, she climbs
aboard a hydraulic lift designed by Fiat especially for the project.
"I prepare a mixture of cellulose pulp and a kind of clay," she said,
explaining her chief method. "I wet a section with distilled water,
lay down rice paper, and spread the mixture on the paper. I leave it
there for up to 15 minutes. It softens the layer of grime."
She says she takes pains not to overdo it. The sections of the statue
that have been cleaned look whiter - but not the artificial
plaster-white some critics had feared would result.
"This is just maintenance," Falletti said. "The difference will not be
that great."
The project, which was underwritten with a $160,000 gift from a Dutch
foundation, is expected to be finished by April.
One thing a cleaner David may do is highlight the deeply flawed nature
of the marble Michelangelo used to create it. The pits and pockmarks -
one marble expert told Falletti the stone wouldn't be used to build a
sink today - will remain visible. The marble block had been sitting
outside for nearly 40 years before Michelangelo selected it, after two
other sculptors had failed to use it.
And yet the 17-foot-tall embodiment of male beauty is so lifelike, it
looks ready to walk off the pedestal. The artist was 29 when he
finished it after three years of work.
David's early years were rough ones. As the sculpture was moved to
Piazza della Signoria, the square in front of the seat of the
Florentine republic, in 1504, political protesters pelted it with
stones. A few years later, it was struck by lightning. A few decades
later, its left arm was broken off during a riot. (It was later
repaired.) Then came the 1843 acid bath.
In 1873, the statue was moved inside the Accademia to protect it from
the elements, and a replica replaced it in the Piazza della Signoria.
Since then, it has enjoyed peace, but for a 1991 attack by a disturbed
Italian artist who smashed one of its toes with a hammer.
David is one of the world's most scrutinized sculptures. In 1999,
computer scientists at Stanford University completed a
three-dimensional digital model - online at
http://graphics.stanford.edu/projects/mich/ - that is accurate down to
the chisel marks. Tourists can examine the model - and zoom in on body
parts - at a kiosk next to the statue in the Accademia. It has been
used to make perfect replicas - a far cry from the rough copies that
abound in Florence's souvenir shops.
But no replica, no matter how precise, is likely to engender the level
of awe most visitors experience as they walk into the main gallery of
the Accademia and gaze up for the first time at Michelangelo's
masterpiece. Even the pros feel it.
"When I first came to observe the David after I had gotten the job, my
heart was racing," Parnigoni said. "I almost fainted."
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Contact staff writer Ken Dilanian at kdil...@tin.it.
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>
>My dentist said the only way to get white teeth is by veneer.
>
>
>Experts: Is this the ONLY way? Is there any other STATE-OF-THE-ART
>technology that can remove the tetracycline stain without drastic procedure
>such as veneer???
>
>
>For example, is it POSSIBLE that one day you can simply PAINT a white color
>on you teeth like the way ladies PAINT their fingers?? Is there any research
>on TEETH-PAINTING or anything along the same line?? Is there any new
>technology or promising research on procedure that can remove the
>tetracycline stain without DRASTIC procedure like veneer or crowning???
>
>
>PLEASE HELP ME !!!! THANKS!!!!
>
>
>
>Please answer my questions OR FORWARD to some EXPERTS who know the answer!
>
--
Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.
http://graphics.stanford.edu/projects/mich/
>On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 04:40:16 GMT, "news.verizon.net" <k.c....@verizon.net> wrote:
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Steven Fawks
I think your dentist is giving you good advice.
Fawks
WB
Ditto.
WB
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