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eatmoreoats  
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 More options Nov 14 2009, 9:57 am
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From: eatmoreoats <eatmoreo...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 06:57:56 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sat, Nov 14 2009 9:57 am
Subject: root canal re-retreatment chances of success?
Hi,

About a year ago I had a root canal re-treatment performed on molar
#3. The original root canal work was done about 8 or 9 years ago. The
re-treatment involved redoing 3 root canals that were infected at the
top, and also performing a root canal on a missed 4th root on the same
tooth. A year later and the xray shows that the roots have not healed
and  my endodontist wants to re-re-treat.

My question is this : given that the first re-treatment was
unsuccessful, what are the chances that a re-re-treatment will finally
solve the problem ? Is it generally the case that if a re-treatment
doesn't cure the problem, then a second attempt won't either ? Or are
the attempts independent in the likelihood of success ? The doctor
will be using a slightly different technique on the second try
around.  I don't have dental insurance and its quite expensive work,
not to mention years of jaw ache. I'm wondering whether to skip the re-
re-treatment, and put the $ toward an extraction/implant instead.

Thoughts / advice ?

Thanks in advance,
Dom


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 More options Nov 14 2009, 10:16 am
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From: Steven Bornfeld <bornfeldm...@dentaltwins.com>
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 10:16:34 -0500
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Subject: Re: root canal re-retreatment chances of success?

        I cannot address your specific tooth, but esp. if the second root canal
was done by a good endodontist, the chances of subsequent retreats
failing goes up.  Sometimes there is an undiagnosed root fracture or
other insurmountable problem.  In any case, this tooth is already a
two-time loser, and unless the endodontist sees a specific problem with
the root canal that can be remedied, I would think long and hard about
going a third round with this tooth.

Steve


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 More options Nov 14 2009, 5:18 pm
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From: eatmoreoats <eatmoreo...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 14:18:43 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: root canal re-retreatment chances of success?
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Steve,
Thanks very much for the reply.
-Dom

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 More options Nov 14 2009, 11:57 pm
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From: Jan <jdrew63...@aol.com>
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 20:57:42 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sat, Nov 14 2009 11:57 pm
Subject: Re: root canal re-retreatment chances of success?
On Nov 14, 9:57 am, eatmoreoats <eatmoreo...@gmail.com> wrote:

ROOT CANALS POSE HEALTH THREAT
AN INTERVIEW WITH

GEORGE MEINIG, D.D.S.

Dr. Meinig brings a most curious perspective to an expose of latent
dangers of root canal therapy - fifty years ago he was one of the
founders of the American Association of Endodontists (root canal
specialists)! So he's filled his share of root canals. And when he
wasn't filling canals himself, he was teaching the technique to
dentists across the country at weekend seminars and clinics. About two
years ago, having recently retired, he decided to read all 1174 pages
of the detailed research of Dr. Weston Price, (D.D.S). Dr. Meinig was
startled and shocked. Here was valid documentation of systemic
illnesses resulting from latent infections lingering in filled roots.
He has since written a book, "Root Canal Cover-Up EXPOSED - Many
Illnesses Result", and is devoting himself to radio, TV, and personal
appearances before groups in an attempt to blow the whistle and alert
the public.

MJ Please explain what the problem is with root canal therapy.

GM First, let me note that my book is based on Dr. Weston Price's
twenty-five years of careful, impeccable research. He led a 60-man
team of researchers whose findings - suppressed until now rank right
up there with the greatest medical discoveries of all time. This is
not the usual medical story of a prolonged search for the difficult-to-
find causative agent of some devastating disease. Rather, it's the
story of how a "cast of millions" (of bacteria) become entrenched
inside the structure of teeth and end up causing the largest number of
diseases ever traced to a single source.

MJ What diseases? Can you give us some examples?

GM Yes, a high percentage of chronic degenerative diseases can
originate from root filled teeth. The most frequent were heart and
circulatory diseases and he found 16 different causative agents for
these. The next most common diseases were those of the joints,
arthritis and rheumatism. In third place - but almost tied for second
- were diseases of the brain and nervous system. After that, any
disease you can name might (and in some cases has) come from root
filled teeth.

Let me tell you about the research itself. Dr. Price undertook his
investigations in 1900. He continued until 1925, and published his
work in two volumes in 1923. In 1915 the National Dental Association
(which changed its name a few years later to The American Dental
Association) was so impressed with his work that they appointed Dr.
Price their first Research Director. His Advisory Board read like a
Who's Who in medicine and dentistry for that era. They represented the
fields of bacteriology, pathology, rheumatology, surgery, chemistry,
and cardiology.

At one point in his writings Dr. Price made this observation: "Dr.
Frank Billings (M.D.), probably more than any other American
internist, is due credit for the early recognition of the importance
of streptococcal focal infections in systemic involvements."

What's really unfortunate here is that very valuable information was
covered up and totally buried some 70 years ago by a minority group of
autocratic doctors who just didn't believe or couldn't grasp - the
focal infection theory.

MJ What is the "focal infection" theory?

GM This states that germs from a central focal infection - such as
teeth, teeth roots, inflamed gum tissues, or maybe tonsils -
metastasize to hearts, eyes, lungs, kidneys, or other organs, glands
and tissues, establishing new areas of the same infection. Hardly
theory any more, this has been proven and demonstrated many times
over. It's 100% accepted today. But it was revolutionary thinking
during World War I days, and the early 1920's!

Today, both patients and physicians have been "brain washed" to think
that infections are less serious because we now have antibiotics.
Well, yes and no. In the case of root-filled teeth, the no longer-
living tooth lacks a blood supply to its interior. So circulating
antibiotics don't faze the bacteria living there because they can't
get at them.

MJ You're assuming that ALL root-filled teeth harbor bacteria and/or
other infective agents?

GM Yes. No matter what material or technique is used - and this is
just as true today - the root filling shrinks minutely, perhaps
microscopically. Further and this is key - the bulk of solid appearing
teeth, called the dentin, actually consists of miles of tiny tubules.
Microscopic organisms lurking in the maze of tubules simply migrate
into the interior of the tooth and set up housekeeping. A filled root
seems to be a favorite spot to start a new colony.

One of the things that makes this difficult to understand is that
large, relatively harmless bacteria common to the mouth, change and
adapt to new conditions. They shrink in size to fit the cramped
quarters and even learn how to exist (and thrive!) on very little
food. Those that need oxygen mutate and become able to get along
without it. In the process of adaptation these formerly friendly
"normal" organisms become pathogenic (capable of producing disease)
and more virulent (stronger) and they produce much more potent
toxins.

Today's bacteriologists are confirming the discoveries of the Price
team of bacteriologists. Both isolated in root canals the same strains
of streptococcus, staphylococcus and spirochetes.

MJ Is everyone who has ever had a root canal filled made ill by it?

GM No. We believe now that every root canal filling does leak and
bacteria do invade the structure. But the variable factor is the
strength of the person's immune system. Some healthy people are able
to control the germs that escape from their teeth into other areas of
the body. We think this happens because their immune system
lymphocytes (white blood cells) and other disease fighters aren't
constantly compromised by other ailments. In other words, they are
able to prevent those new colonies from taking hold in other tissues
throughout the body. But over time, most people with root filled teeth
do seem to develop some kinds of systemic symptoms they didn't have
before.

MJ It's really difficult to grasp that bacteria are imbedded deep in
the structure of seemingly-hard, solid looking teeth.

GM I know. Physicians and dentists have that same problem, too. You
really have to visualize the tooth structure - all of those
microscopic tubules running through the dentin. In a healthy tooth,
those tubules transport a fluid that carries nourishment to the
inside. For perspective, if the tubules of a front single-root tooth,
were stretched out on the ground they'd stretch for three miles!

A root filled tooth no longer has any fluid circulating through it,
but the maze of tubules remains. The anaerobic bacteria that live
there seem remarkably safe from antibiotics. The bacteria can migrate
out into surrounding tissue where they can "hitch hike" to other
locations in the body via the bloodstream. The new location can be any
organ or gland or tissue, and the new colony will be the next focus of
infection in a body plagued by recurrent or chronic infections.

All of the "building up" done to try to enhance the patient's ability
to fight infections - to strengthen their immune system - is only a
holding action. Many patients won't be well until the source of
infection - the root canal tooth - is removed.

MJ I don't doubt what you're saying, but can you tell us more about
how Dr. Price could be sure that arthritis or other systemic
conditions and illnesses really originated in the teeth - or in a
single tooth?

GM Yes. Many investigations start with the researcher just being
curious about something - and then being scientifically careful enough
to discover an answer, and then prove it's so, many times over. Dr.
Price's first case is very well documented. He removed an infected
tooth from a woman who suffered from severe arthritis. As soon as he
finished with the patient, he implanted the tooth beneath the skin of
a healthy rabbit. Within 48 hours the rabbit was crippled with
arthritis!

Further, once the tooth was removed the patient's arthritis improved
dramatically. This clearly suggested that the presence of the infected
tooth was a causative agent for both that patient's and the rabbit's -
arthritis.

[Editor's Note - Here's the story of that first patient from Dr.
Meinig's book: "(Dr. Price) had a sense that, even when (root canal
therapy) appeared successful, teeth containing root fillings remained
infected. That thought kept prying on his mind, haunting him each time
a patient consulted him for relief from some severe debilitating
disease for which the medical profession could find no answer. Then
one day while treating a woman who had been confined to a wheelchair
for six years from severe arthritis, he recalled how bacterial
cultures were taken from patients who were ill and then inoculated
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 More options Nov 15 2009, 10:41 am
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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 07:41:12 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: root canal re-retreatment chances of success?
On Nov 14, 11:57 pm, Jan <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:

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 More options Nov 16 2009, 12:43 pm
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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 11:43:41 -0600
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Subject: Re: root canal re-retreatment chances of success?
My thoughts as well.
D


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 More options Nov 17 2009, 10:13 am
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From: Dartos <tuthjoc...@myturbonet.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 09:13:18 -0600
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Subject: Re: root canal re-retreatment chances of success?

> What are the best alternatives to root canal therapy ? Implants ?
> Bridges ?
> Thanks

Depends upon the individual case.

Bridges are faster, less invasive, slightly less expensive, and
have a long history of success.  The dentist does have to cut
on the adjacent teeth, and the appliance needs special care to
keep things clean under the false tooth after cementation.

Implants do not involve any cutting on neighboring teeth, allow
normal brushing and flossing, and are becoming the first choice
of treatment in many cases.

BTW, get your dental advice from licensed professionals.  Some
smd posters are not experts in dental treatment.

;-)
D


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 More options Nov 17 2009, 9:15 pm
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From: Jan <jdrew63...@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:15:06 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: root canal re-retreatment chances of success?
On Nov 15, 10:41 am, eatmoreoats <eatmoreo...@gmail.com> wrote:

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