low-dose aspirin being questioned
Bill who putters
that the use of low-dose aspirin to protect against heart attacks and
strokes in individuals yet to develop obvious cardiovascular disease,
should be abandoned."
<http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/169546.php>
Bill
--
Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> "The latest issue of the Drug and Therapeutics Bulletin (DTB) reports
>that the use of low-dose aspirin to protect against heart attacks and
>strokes in individuals yet to develop obvious cardiovascular disease,
>should be abandoned."
>
><http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/169546.php>
>
> Bill
The need for aspirin is possibly obviated even for secondary
prevention in diabetics when the VAT is lost:
Love in the truth,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Heart Doctor
and Author of "Trust the Truth:"
http://www.amazon.com/-/e/B002G22ZWG
"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
12:3)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?
What are the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/980b41e6999de315?
Only the truth can cure the "hunger is starvation" delusion:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/74281ab7d7ce78de?
ver...@gefinden.com
prevention in diabetics when the VAT is lost:"
And the first step is to enter into an exercise program to that end.
Exercise has been shown to selectively and before calorie restriction
has a significant effect to reduce vat.
Once in place, what one eats along with maintaining normal weight and
the exercise will have continuing benefit.
PeterB - Original
wrote:
> Bill who putters wrote:
> > "The latest issue of the Drug and Therapeutics Bulletin (DTB) reports
> >that the use of low-dose aspirin to protect against heart attacks and
> >strokes in individuals yet to develop obvious cardiovascular disease,
> >should be abandoned."
>
> ><http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/169546.php>
I do not agree with low dose aspirin for anyone. Approximately 25% of
the population is aspirin sensitive, a potentially symptom free
condition that predisposes the individual to an *increased* risk of
MI. Proper intake of omega3 EFAs, vitamin C, B vitamins, and
magnesium will dramatically lower the risk of fatal cardiac events
without the risk of side effects.
MU
> "The need for aspirin is possibly obviated even for secondary
> prevention in diabetics when the VAT is lost:"
>
> And the first step is to enter into an exercise program to that end.
> Exercise has been shown to selectively and before calorie restriction
> has a significant effect to reduce vat.
BS. Complete, stink and all.
MU
Citations?
Thanks.
MoSn
>
> Citations?
>
> Thanks.
Since you seem to support Chung's 2 pound diet, do you have any citations
from the recognised medical literature and not simply what Chung has written?
Thanks.
MU
> Since
Enjoying being ignored?
Get used t it.
PeterB - Original
Search on "aspirin resistance" and you'll get thousands of articles,
many in pubmed.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> MU wrote:
> > PeterB - Original wrote:
> > >> Bill who putters wrote:
>
> > >>> "The latest issue of the Drug and Therapeutics Bulletin (DTB) reports
> > >>>that the use of low-dose aspirin to protect against heart attacks and
> > >>>strokes in individuals yet to develop obvious cardiovascular disease,
> > >>>should be abandoned."
> >
> > >>><http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/169546.php>
> >
> > > I do not agree with low dose aspirin for anyone. Approximately 25% of
> > > the population is aspirin sensitive, a potentially symptom free
> > > condition that predisposes the individual to an *increased* risk of
> > > MI. Proper intake of omega3 EFAs, vitamin C, B vitamins, and
> > > magnesium will dramatically lower the risk of fatal cardiac events
> > > without the risk of side effects.
> >
> > Citations?
> >
> > Thanks.
>
> Search on "aspirin resistance" and you'll get thousands of articles,
> many in pubmed.
Folks with aspirin resistance would require more aspirin and not less
to none for the benefit of lowering the risk of fatal cardiac events.
Here again is that Spirit-guided thought about faux-christians like
you, Peter B.:
2 Peter 2:22
Yes, the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict you:
Bottom line concerning you:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3a93a8d803ceeb62?
There is pure joy in being used by GOD to change hearts:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?
May GOD give you, Peter B., a new heart and a new spirit (Ezekiel
11:19-20 and 36:26) so that you would be born again of water and
Spirit (John 3:3 and 3:5) so that you would come to trust the truth,
Who is Jesus:
Amen.
MU
What? Did you invent a mind-reading search engine? I search for "aspirin
resistance" and get proofs that "proper intake of omega3 EFAs, vitamin
C, B vitamins, and magnesium will dramatically lower the risk of fatal
cardiac events without the risk of side effects." too?
lol
Pass.
MU
> PeterB - Original wrote:
>> MU wrote:
>>> PeterB - Original wrote:
>>> >> Bill who putters wrote:
>>
>>> >>> "The latest issue of the Drug and Therapeutics Bulletin (DTB) reports
>>> >>>that the use of low-dose aspirin to protect against heart attacks and
>>> >>>strokes in individuals yet to develop obvious cardiovascular disease,
>>> >>>should be abandoned."
>>>
>>> >>><http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/169546.php>
>>>
>>> > I do not agree with low dose aspirin for anyone. �Approximately 25% of
>>> > the population is aspirin sensitive, a potentially symptom free
>>> > condition that predisposes the individual to an *increased* risk of
>>> > MI. �Proper intake of omega3 EFAs, vitamin C, B vitamins, and
>>> > magnesium will dramatically lower the risk of fatal cardiac events
>>> > without the risk of side effects.
>>>
>>> Citations?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>
>> Search on "aspirin resistance" and you'll get thousands of articles,
>> many in pubmed.
>
> Folks with aspirin resistance would require more aspirin and not less
> to none for the benefit of lowering the risk of fatal cardiac events.
I'd add that he needs to search for the definition of "resistance" v.s.
intolerance or w/ever it is he's attempting to relate. I have no idea.
PeterB - Original
>
> Folks with aspirin resistance would require more aspirin and not less
> to none for the benefit of lowering the risk of fatal cardiac events.
Wrong! Aspirin resistance is not responsive to more aspirin.
Increasing dosage in those individuals will only increase their risk
of a fatal event. The fact that one cannot know that one is aspirin
resistant amplifies the risk because there may be no apparent
symptoms. Please note that I am not the poster who uses "Peter B.-
Aboriginal" as his screen name.
PeterB - Original
I referred you to the medical literature in response to your query
because the subject is widely discussed there. Sorry I couldn't make
it easier for you.
PeterB - Original
> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 21:48:39 -0800 (PST), PeterB - Original wrote:
> > On Nov 4, 9:06 am, MU <efacsimi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:46:45 -0800 (PST), PeterB - Original wrote:
> >>> On Nov 3, 12:30 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <ach...@emory.edu>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> Bill who putters wrote:
> >>>>> "The latest issue of the Drug and Therapeutics Bulletin (DTB) reports
> >>>>>that the use of low-dose aspirin to protect against heart attacks and
> >>>>>strokes in individuals yet to develop obvious cardiovascular disease,
> >>>>>should be abandoned."
>
> >>>>><http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/169546.php>
>
> >>> I do not agree with low dose aspirin for anyone. Approximately 25% of
> >>> the population is aspirin sensitive, a potentially symptom free
> >>> condition that predisposes the individual to an *increased* risk of
> >>> MI. Proper intake of omega3 EFAs, vitamin C, B vitamins, and
> >>> magnesium will dramatically lower the risk of fatal cardiac events
> >>> without the risk of side effects.
>
> >> Citations?
>
> >> Thanks.
>
> > Search on "aspirin resistance" and you'll get thousands of articles,
> > many in pubmed.
>
> What? Did you invent a mind-reading search engine?
Since I gave you the word string to use, that wouldn't be a logical
question, now would it?
> I search for
> "aspirin resistance" and get proofs that "proper intake of omega3
> EFAs, vitamin C, B vitamins, and magnesium will dramatically
> lower the risk of fatal cardiac events without the risk of side
> effects." too?
The entirety of your query to me was the word "citations" with a
question mark. I suppose you expected me to read your mind in order
to know exactly which part of my comment you wanted a citation for?
Hint: you may need to do more than one search.
> lol
>
> Pass.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3d12d32824a4df74?
> >
> > Folks with aspirin resistance would require more aspirin and not less
> > to none for the benefit of lowering the risk of fatal cardiac events.
>
> Wrong!
You have been and continue to be wrong:
"Platelet response to aspirin as measured by collagen-induced light
transmittance aggregation, ADP-induced light transmittance
aggregation, PFA-100 (81 mg versus 162 mg, P0.05), and urinary 11-
dehydrothromboxane B2 was dose-related (81 mg versus 325 mg,
P=0.003)."
Source:
http://circ.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/full/115/25/3156
MU
You didn't "refer me" to anything specific. You pointed at a library and
said "go there, seek to prove me right".
Get a grip, you haven't the first line of credibility regarding control
studies and the validity of their ensuing citations.
Btw, "I can read" is not a qualification. LOL
trigonometry1972@gmail.com |
The only one that supports Chung's 2 pound (?) diet
is Chung as far as I know. I dimly recall it being
called the 2 omer diet by Chung. The fixed weight
intake diet is pretty silly. Compare a high veggie diet
to a higher fat diet and you can get wildly different
calorie counts.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> The only one that supports Chung's 2 pound (?) diet
> is Chung as far as I know.
The 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier
Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for His compelling
you to unwittingly reveal that you do not know very much. Such is the
condition of the perishing because GOD remains the Source of all true
knowledge and wisdom.
There are presently worldwide more than 625,550 people who either have
achieved or are achieving optimal health using the 2PD-OMER Approach,
whose written description and application has been allowed by the
moderators for posting on the New England Journal of Medicine web site
thereby providing additional evidence of others supporting this simple
method of eating the right amount of food daily:
http://healthcarereform.nejm.org/index.php?p=1364#comment-419
Be hungrier, which truly is healthier especially for diabetics and
other heart disease patients:
Truth is reality:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/459c9c0ed3b24ca2?
There is joy in being used by GOD to change hearts:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?
May GOD soften your heart, neighbor, so that you would come to trust
the truth, Who is Jesus:
Amen.
Love in the truth,
MU
wrote:
> Compare a high veggie diet
> to a higher fat diet and you can get wildly different
> calorie counts.
Two and two is four.
There, we've now exchanged platitudinous truisms. Are we bonding yet?
ver...@gefindenn.com
The two pound diet,aka 2pd etc. is quack science. It has flaws of both
fact and logic. It was invented to fit a preexisting agenda and does
not flow from evidence based on research. The diet inventor has many
times been appraised of his flaws but clings to them for reasons other
then science or valid medical practice
All of this nonsense of measure by weight or volume comes from the
agenda fitting, not well established research. But sadly even the
agenda is based on misunderstood and misapplied information. Even when
corrected, the author of the agenda for nothing but pride and vain face
saving can not deal with that truth.
The weight part came from a failed knowledge of a particular verse in
scripture. When shown to be wrong, he promptly said he had been given a
new interpretation to set the record straight. And of course this new
information led where the agenda demands.
Bottom line, ignore any reference to the two pound diet,aka 2 pd etc.
and stick with established information and sources of expert authorities
which do not include the vanity of vanity distorting reality in this
case.
There is a larger problem then misinformation obvious to anyone familiar
with the inventor's posts.
May God bless and protect and heal.
trigonometry1972@gmail.com |
> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:21:03 -0800 (PST), trigonometry1...@gmail.com |
> wrote:
>
> > Compare a high veggie diet
> > to a higher fat diet and you can get wildly different
> > calorie counts.
>
> Two and two is four.
>
> There, we've now exchanged platitudinous truisms. Are we bonding yet?
On the MHA that is defined as bonding. If you haven't noticed
people are general polarized, out and out loony, or looking
for a fight.
4 cups of coffee and one glass of wine............Trig
trigonometry1972@gmail.com |
Thru the wonders of the internet I bring you this
unchecked bit of info.
For some people, aspirin does not have as strong an effect
on platelets as for others, an effect known as aspirin resistance
or insensitivity. One study has suggested that women are
more likely to be resistant than men[107] and a different,
aggregate study of 2,930 patients found 28% to be
resistant.[108] A study in 100 Italian patients found that
of the apparent 31% aspirin resistant subjects, only 5%
were truly resistant, and the others were
non-compliant.[109]
MoSn
>
> Two and two is four.
>
Can also be 11 depending on the base.
trigonometry1972@gmail.com |
You say "Run the marathon for me and I'll take prize."
To convince yourself, you'll have to the work/the reading.
4 cups of coffee and 8 oz of wine..............Trig
MU
MU
wrote:
I do neither.
> To convince yourself, you'll have to the work/the reading.
>
> 4 cups of coffee and 8 oz of wine..............Trig
Explains your incoherent postings.
MoSn
(in article <hdcas7$d1a$1...@news.eternal-september.org>):
> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:31:36 -0800 (PST), trigonom...@gmail.com |
> wrote:
>
>> On Nov 10, 7:14ï¿œam, MU <efacsimi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:21:03 -0800 (PST), trigonometry1...@gmail.com |
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Compare a high veggie diet
>>>> to a higher fat diet and you can get wildly different
>>>> calorie counts.
>>>
>>> Two and two is four.
>>>
>>> There, we've now exchanged platitudinous truisms. ï¿œAre we bonding yet?
>>
>> On the MHA that is defined as bonding. If you haven't noticed
>> people are general polarized, out and out loony, or looking
>> for a fight.
>>
>> 4 cups of coffee and one glass of wine............Trig
>
> I'm speechless.
Now if you could only be wordless
MoSn
(in article <hdcaud$erb$1...@news.eternal-september.org>):
> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:47:05 -0800 (PST), trigonom...@gmail.com |
> wrote:
>
>> On Nov 9, 8:13ï¿œam, MU <efacsimi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 21:48:39 -0800 (PST), PeterB - Original wrote:
>>>> On Nov 4, 9:06ï¿œam, MU <efacsimi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:46:45 -0800 (PST), PeterB - Original wrote:
>>>>>> On Nov 3, 12:30ï¿œpm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <ach...@emory.edu>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Bill who putters wrote:
>>>>>>>> "The latest issue of the Drug and Therapeutics Bulletin (DTB) reports
>>>>>>>> that the use of low-dose aspirin to protect against heart attacks and
>>>>>>>> strokes in individuals yet to develop obvious cardiovascular disease,
>>>>>>>> should be abandoned."
>>>
>>>>>>>> <http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/169546.php>
>>>
>>>>>> I do not agree with low dose aspirin for anyone. ï¿œApproximately 25% of
>>>>>> the population is aspirin sensitive, a potentially symptom free
>>>>>> condition that predisposes the individual to an *increased* risk of
>>>>>> MI. ï¿œProper intake of omega3 EFAs, vitamin C, B vitamins, and
>>>>>> magnesium will dramatically lower the risk of fatal cardiac events
>>>>>> without the risk of side effects.
>>>
>>>>> Citations?
>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>>> Search on "aspirin resistance" and you'll get thousands of articles,
>>>> many in pubmed.
>>>
>>> What? Did you invent a mind-reading search engine? I search for "aspirin
>>> resistance" and get proofs that "proper intake of omega3 EFAs, vitamin
>>> C, B vitamins, and magnesium will dramatically lower the risk of fatal
>>> cardiac events without the risk of side effects." too?
>>>
>>> lol
>>>
>>> Pass.
>>
>> You say "Run the marathon for me and I'll take prize."
>
> I do neither.
>
>> To convince yourself, you'll have to the work/the reading.
>>
>> 4 cups of coffee and 8 oz of wine..............Trig
>
> Explains your incoherent postings.
And what explains your postings?
trigonometry1972@gmail.com |
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:47:05 -0800 (PST), trigonometry1...@gmail.com |
> > wrote:
>
> >> On Nov 9, 8:13 am, MU <efacsimi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 21:48:39 -0800 (PST), PeterB - Original wrote:
> >>>> On Nov 4, 9:06 am, MU <efacsimi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:46:45 -0800 (PST), PeterB - Original wrote:
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Bill who putters wrote:
> >>>>>>>> "The latest issue of the Drug and Therapeutics Bulletin (DTB) reports
> >>>>>>>> that the use of low-dose aspirin to protect against heart attacks and
> >>>>>>>> strokes in individuals yet to develop obvious cardiovascular disease,
> >>>>>>>> should be abandoned."
>
> >>>>>>>> <http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/169546.php>
>
> >>>>>> the population is aspirin sensitive, a potentially symptom free
> >>>>>> condition that predisposes the individual to an *increased* risk of
> >>>>>> magnesium will dramatically lower the risk of fatal cardiac events
> >>>>>> without the risk of side effects.
>
> >>>>> Citations?
>
> >>>>> Thanks.
>
> >>>> Search on "aspirin resistance" and you'll get thousands of articles,
> >>>> many in pubmed.
>
> >>> What? Did you invent a mind-reading search engine? I search for "aspirin
> >>> resistance" and get proofs that "proper intake of omega3 EFAs, vitamin
> >>> C, B vitamins, and magnesium will dramatically lower the risk of fatal
> >>> cardiac events without the risk of side effects." too?
>
> >>> lol
>
> >>> Pass.
>
> >> You say "Run the marathon for me and I'll take prize."
>
> > I do neither.
>
> >> To convince yourself, you'll have to the work/the reading.
>
> >> 4 cups of coffee and 8 oz of wine..............Trig
>
> > Explains your incoherent postings.
>
> And what explains your postings?
He comes to beat his chest and strut about, IMO.
Sober enough for the Usenet.......Trig
Mark Thorson
>
> For some people, aspirin does not have as strong an effect
> on platelets as for others, an effect known as aspirin resistance
> or insensitivity. One study has suggested that women are
> more likely to be resistant than men[107] and a different,
> aggregate study of 2,930 patients found 28% to be
> resistant.[108] A study in 100 Italian patients found that
> of the apparent 31% aspirin resistant subjects, only 5%
> were truly resistant, and the others were
> non-compliant.[109]
I took low dose aspirin for several years. It seems
to have caused the tinnitus I had starting about a
year ago. I blamed it on caffeine, which does seem
to worsen tinnitus, but even after months of not
drinking coffee, I still had the tinnitus. I quit
the aspirin a month or two ago, and it's almost gone
now.
I also learned that aspirin can raise the risk of
gout. It may have contributed to a gout flare-up
I had shortly before quitting.
For me, anyway, having these two risk factors probably
means I should avoid the use of aspirin except for
short duration use to treat headaches.
trigonometry1972@gmail.com |
MU seems to be a Chung fan.
I found MU saying following:
"Holier than thou bullshit, Kirkman and you know it.
How about telling the rest of the Usenet world about
your *decade* long harassment of Dr. Andrew Chung
and your criminal faking to be a certified US doctor (which
you are not)."
Is MU an alter ego for Chung? And no I am
not interested enough to check. It seems
evident that Chung google stars some of
his postings 5 or 6 times. Something I could
do if I used my full number of free email
addresses.
MU and Chung............Trig
MU
wrote:
> MU seems to be a Chung fan.
I am Chung.
> I found MU saying following:
> "Holier than thou bullshit, Kirkman and you know it.
> How about telling the rest of the Usenet world about
> your *decade* long harassment of Dr. Andrew Chung
> and your criminal faking to be a certified US doctor (which
> you are not)."
Kirkman is Chung.
> Is MU an alter ego for Chung? And no I am
> not interested enough to check. It seems
> evident that Chung google stars some of
> his postings 5 or 6 times. Something I could
> do if I used my full number of free email
> addresses.
>
> MU and Chung............Trig
Chung and MU.
Got it?
PeterB - Original
The term "aspirin resistance" is quite specific to the issue raised
and yields more than 130,000 results in a Google query. No one is
asking you to prove anything.
> Get a grip, you haven't the first line of credibility regarding control
> studies and the validity of their ensuing citations.
Is that why you asked me for citations?
> Btw, "I can read" is not a qualification. LOL
That must explain why you didn't bother trying to do so.
PeterB - Original
wrote:
> PeterB wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3d12d32824a4df74?
>
> > > Folks with aspirin resistance would require more aspirin and not less
> > > to none for the benefit of lowering the risk of fatal cardiac events.
>
> > Wrong!
>
> You have been and continue to be wrong:
>
> "Platelet response to aspirin as measured by collagen-induced light
> transmittance aggregation, ADP-induced light transmittance
> aggregation, PFA-100 (81 mg versus 162 mg, P0.05), and urinary 11-
> dehydrothromboxane B2 was dose-related (81 mg versus 325 mg,
> P=0.003)."
Which proves nothing about the benefits of aspirin in those who are
aspirin resistant. There are plenty of studies proving the failure of
aspirin to reduce MI events in a substantial portion of the
population. And you can't know if you are one of those people whose
resistance to aspirin therapy may become life threatening.
Peter Bowditch
>On Nov 4, 9:06�am, MU <efacsimi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:46:45 -0800 (PST), PeterB - Original wrote:
>> > On Nov 3, 12:30�pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <ach...@emory.edu>
>> > wrote:
>> >> Bill who putters wrote:
>> >>> "The latest issue of the Drug and Therapeutics Bulletin (DTB) reports
>> >>>that the use of low-dose aspirin to protect against heart attacks and
>> >>>strokes in individuals yet to develop obvious cardiovascular disease,
>> >>>should be abandoned."
>>
>> >>><http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/169546.php>
>>
>> > I do not agree with low dose aspirin for anyone. �Approximately 25% of
>> > the population is aspirin sensitive, a potentially symptom free
>> > condition that predisposes the individual to an *increased* risk of
>> > MI. �Proper intake of omega3 EFAs, vitamin C, B vitamins, and
>> > magnesium will dramatically lower the risk of fatal cardiac events
>> > without the risk of side effects.
>>
>> Citations?
>>
>> Thanks.
>
>Search on "aspirin resistance" and you'll get thousands of articles,
>many in pubmed.
Strange that when I say to search PubMed for "vaccine safety" you say
that I haven't provided any citations. Feeling a little (more)
hypocritical today?
--
Peter Bowditch aa #2243
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com
QJ
(in article <0001HW.C71F0268...@news.x-privat.org>):
> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:14:00 -0600, MU wrote
>
>>
>> Two and two is four.
>>
>
> Can also be 11 depending on the base.
>
Yes. Have to learn to think out of the box and not like much of the mindless
repetition seen in many of the posts here
QJ
(in article <0001HW.C71F0BE7...@news.x-privat.org>):
And many more too
QJ
(in article <0001HW.C71F0C25...@news.x-privat.org>):
Irrationality or insanity may be the reason
QJ
>>
>> And what explains your postings?
>
> He comes to beat his chest and strut about, IMO.
>
> Sober enough for the Usenet.......Trig
Yes, like Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde we have Chung and MU
PeterB - Original
No, I'm not. You were challenged to produce specific data proving
your claims and you hoped a search result using the words "vaccine
safety" would pass for evidence. In this case, I merely responded to
a general request for citations by suggesting the other poster use an
appropriate search string to do his own research.
PeterB - Original
I believe that Chung (who now admits to posting under different
aliases) is a PR goon. He exhibits most of the tactics documented in
the "Warning" post. I believe his religious language is designed to
interfere with a proper focus on topical discussion. His interaction
with advocates of natural medicine is demonstrating a language pattern
consistent with those who astroturf for industry. As many suspected,
this character is phony on more levels than one.
MoSn
(in article
<4c038d57-bbfd-47a8...@m16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>):
> On Nov 10, 2:58ï¿œpm, "trigonometry1...@gmail.com |"
> <trigonometry1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 9, 2:46ï¿œpm, PeterB - Original <p...@mytrashmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Nov 9, 11:13ï¿œam, MU <efacsimi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 21:48:39 -0800 (PST), PeterB - Original wrote:
>>>>> On Nov 4, 9:06ï¿œam, MU <efacsimi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:46:45 -0800 (PST), PeterB - Original wrote:
>>>>>>> On Nov 3, 12:30ï¿œpm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <ach...@emory.edu>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Bill who putters wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "The latest issue of the Drug and Therapeutics Bulletin (DTB) reports
>>>>>>>>> that the use of low-dose aspirin to protect against heart attacks and
>>>>>>>>> strokes in individuals yet to develop obvious cardiovascular disease,
>>>>>>>>> should be abandoned."
>>
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/169546.php>
>>
>>>>>>> I do not agree with low dose aspirin for anyone. ï¿œApproximately 25% of
>>>>>>> the population is aspirin sensitive, a potentially symptom free
>>>>>>> condition that predisposes the individual to an *increased* risk of
>>>>>>> MI. ï¿œProper intake of omega3 EFAs, vitamin C, B vitamins, and
>>>>>>> magnesium will dramatically lower the risk of fatal cardiac events
>>>>>>> without the risk of side effects.
>>
>>>>>> Citations?
>>
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>
>>>>> Search on "aspirin resistance" and you'll get thousands of articles,
>>>>> many in pubmed.
>>
>>>> What? Did you invent a mind-reading search engine?
>>
>>> Since I gave you the word string to use, that wouldn't be a logical
>>> question, now would it?
>>
>>>> I search for
>>>> "aspirin resistance" and get proofs that "proper intake of omega3
>>>> EFAs, vitamin ï¿œC, B vitamins, and magnesium will dramatically
>>>> lower the risk of fatal cardiac events without the risk of side
>>>> effects." too?
>>
>>> The entirety of your query to me was the word "citations" with a
>>> question mark. ï¿œI suppose you expected me to read your mind in order
>>> to know exactly which part of my comment you wanted a citation for?
>>> Hint: ï¿œyou may need to do more than one search.
>>
>>>> lol
>>
>>>> Pass.
>>
>> MU seems to be a Chung fan.
>>
>> I found MU saying following:
>> "Holier than thou bullshit, Kirkman and you know it.
>> ï¿œHow about telling the rest of the Usenet world about
>> ï¿œyour *decade* long harassment of Dr. Andrew Chung
>> ï¿œand your criminal faking to be a certified US doctor (which
>> ï¿œyou are not)."
>>
>> Is MU an alter ego for Chung? And no I am
>> not interested enough to check. It seems
>> evident that Chung google stars some of
>> his postings 5 or 6 times. Something I could
>> do if I used my full number of free email
>> addresses.
>>
>> MU and Chung............Trig
>
> I believe that Chung (who now admits to posting under different
> aliases) is a PR goon. He exhibits most of the tactics documented in
> the "Warning" post. I believe his religious language is designed to
> interfere with a proper focus on topical discussion. His interaction
> with advocates of natural medicine is demonstrating a language pattern
> consistent with those who astroturf for industry. As many suspected,
> this character is phony on more levels than one.
>
>
And so should be ignored
Peter Bowditch
Read what you just wrote.
I was asked to provide evidence of research into vaccine safety so I
provided a link to articles found using that search string in PubMed.
You were asked to provide evidence of research into aspirin resistance
so you provided a suggestion to search Google for that search string.
I realise that you can't do your own research because it might turn up
something that disagrees with your mindset, but you don't really have
to demonstrate your sophistry so unambiguously.
Jan Drew
<snip the usual harassing and spam> Hawking his sicko web sites and
lies.
Mark Probert
Snip the usual nonsense which is a waste of bandwidth
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ba8379f6c69b4310?
<><
"The lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision is from the
LORD." (Proverbs 16:33)
Amen.
A Spirit-guided exegesis of Proverbs 16:33 ...
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/085dcffcafb7e4e2?
Nothing happens by chance because everything happens only as GOD
allows it (Ecclesiastes 9:11):
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21527d1832960109?
Sign that GOD can easily unleash an H5N1 Pandemic, for which there is
no vaccine, at any time:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a4581567229974c0?
What we are teaching to prepare folks in our local communities for the
probable eventuality of a Pan-Flu virus deadlier than the current H1N1
Pandemic virus (i.e. one for which there is no vaccine):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfmkax1wbRU
How to not be fearful:
Trust the truth, Who is Jesus !!!
May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
2009th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our Messiah,
the Son of Man ...
... by being hungrier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?
Hunger is wonderful ! ! !
It's how we know the answer to the question "What does Jesus
want?" (WDJW):
Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/52a3db8576495806?
Hunger is the physical "hearts burning within us" feeling that unlocks
the 4 mysteries of the "Road to Emmaus" adventure described in Luke
24:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/386f56c2f6d0b154?
Moreover, being hungrier is the key to being Jesus' disciples:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/bd20d7c4fe878897?
Being physically hungrier is how we will physically recognize Jesus
when He physically returns for us to meet Him physically in the air:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ffa6609710ea9587?
"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...
... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)
Amen.
Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of
promoting much greater understanding:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?
Jesus is LORD, forever !!!
Be hungrier, which is truly healthier especially for diabetics and
other patients with heart disease:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
Marana tha
Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
and Author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f882137d4e2858d8?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> PeterB wrote:
>> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>
>> > >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3d12d32824a4df74?
>>
>> > > Folks with aspirin resistance would require more aspirin and not less
>> > > to none for the benefit of lowering the risk of fatal cardiac events.
>>
>> > Wrong!
>>
>> You have been and continue to be wrong:
>>
>> "Platelet response to aspirin as measured by collagen-induced light
>> transmittance aggregation, ADP-induced light transmittance
>> aggregation, PFA-100 (81 mg versus 162 mg, P0.05), and urinary 11-
>> dehydrothromboxane B2 was dose-related (81 mg versus 325 mg,
>> P=0.003)."
>>
>>
>> http://circ.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/full/115/25/3156
>
> Which proves nothing about the benefits of aspirin in those who are
> aspirin resistant.
The fact that these investigators still observed a dose response in
patients with varying amounts of aspirin resistance supports what the
Holy Spirit guided this physician to write earlier and above:
"Folks with aspirin resistance would require more aspirin and not less
to none for the benefit of lowering the risk of fatal cardiac events."
-- Andrew, in the Holy Spirit.
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3d12d32824a4df74?
Here again is that Spirit-guided thought about faux-christians like
you, Peter B.:
2 Peter 2:22
Yes, the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict you:
Bottom line concerning you:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3a93a8d803ceeb62?
There is pure joy in being used by GOD to change hearts:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?
May GOD give you, Peter B., a new heart and a new spirit (Ezekiel
11:19-20 and 36:26) so that you would be born again of water and
Spirit (John 3:3 and 3:5) so that you would come to trust the truth,
Who is Jesus:
Amen.
PeterB - Original
>
> >> Strange that when I say to search PubMed for "vaccine safety" you say
> >> that I haven't provided any citations. Feeling a little (more)
> >> hypocritical today?
>
> >No, I'm not. You were challenged to produce specific data
> >proving your claims and you hoped a search result using the
> >words "vaccine safety" would pass for evidence. In this case, I
> >merely responded to a general request for citations by suggesting
> >the other poster use an appropriate search string to do his own
> >research.
>
> Read what you just wrote.
I don't have to, idiot, I wrote it.
> I was asked to provide evidence of research into vaccine safety
> so I provided a link to articles found using that search string in
> PubMed.
No, Fluffy, that's not what I asked for. I asked you to produce
specific data that would support your claims, not merely "evidence of
research." Your response, as usual, was to hide behind a search
query.
> You were asked to provide evidence of research into aspirin
> resistance so you provided a suggestion to search Google for that
> search string.
Because the other poster was not more specific. In fact, he
complained that I hadn't read his mind, saying he could not expect to
find evidence of nutritional benefits in treatment of heart disease by
doing the recommended search. The entirely of his post to me was the
word "citations" with a question mark.
> I realise that you can't do your own research because it might turn
> up something that disagrees with your mindset, but you don't really
> have to demonstrate your sophistry so unambiguously.
Let us know when find an argument.
PeterB - Original
> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:44:23 -0600, PeterB - Original wrote
> (in article
>
>
>
> > On Nov 10, 2:58 pm, "trigonometry1...@gmail.com |"
> > <trigonometry1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Nov 9, 2:46 pm, PeterB - Original <p...@mytrashmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> On Nov 9, 11:13 am, MU <efacsimi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 21:48:39 -0800 (PST), PeterB - Original wrote:
> >>>>> On Nov 4, 9:06 am, MU <efacsimi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:46:45 -0800 (PST), PeterB - Original wrote:
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Bill who putters wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> "The latest issue of the Drug and Therapeutics Bulletin (DTB) reports
> >>>>>>>>> that the use of low-dose aspirin to protect against heart attacks and
> >>>>>>>>> strokes in individuals yet to develop obvious cardiovascular disease,
> >>>>>>>>> should be abandoned."
>
> >>>>>>>>> <http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/169546.php>
>
> >>>>>>> the population is aspirin sensitive, a potentially symptom free
> >>>>>>> condition that predisposes the individual to an *increased* risk of
> >>>>>>> magnesium will dramatically lower the risk of fatal cardiac events
> >>>>>>> without the risk of side effects.
>
> >>>>>> Citations?
>
> >>>>>> Thanks.
>
> >>>>> Search on "aspirin resistance" and you'll get thousands of articles,
> >>>>> many in pubmed.
>
> >>>> What? Did you invent a mind-reading search engine?
>
> >>> Since I gave you the word string to use, that wouldn't be a logical
> >>> question, now would it?
>
> >>>> I search for
> >>>> "aspirin resistance" and get proofs that "proper intake of omega3
> >>>> EFAs, vitamin C, B vitamins, and magnesium will dramatically
> >>>> lower the risk of fatal cardiac events without the risk of side
>
> >>> The entirety of your query to me was the word "citations" with a
> >>> to know exactly which part of my comment you wanted a citation for?
>
> >>>> lol
>
> >>>> Pass.
>
> >> MU seems to be a Chung fan.
>
> >> I found MU saying following:
> >> "Holier than thou bullshit, Kirkman and you know it.
>
> >> Is MU an alter ego for Chung? And no I am
> >> not interested enough to check. It seems
> >> evident that Chung google stars some of
> >> his postings 5 or 6 times. Something I could
> >> do if I used my full number of free email
> >> addresses.
>
> >> MU and Chung............Trig
>
> > I believe that Chung (who now admits to posting under different
> > aliases) is a PR goon. He exhibits most of the tactics documented in
> > the "Warning" post. I believe his religious language is designed to
> > interfere with a proper focus on topical discussion. His interaction
> > with advocates of natural medicine is demonstrating a language pattern
> > consistent with those who astroturf for industry. As many suspected,
> > this character is phony on more levels than one.
>
> And so should be ignored
I agree, except when his words mislead others in a matter of public
health.
PeterB - Original
wrote:
> PeterB wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> PeterB wrote:
> >> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> >> > >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3d12d32824a4df74?
>
> >> > > Folks with aspirin resistance would require more aspirin and not less
> >> > > to none for the benefit of lowering the risk of fatal cardiac events.
>
> >> > Wrong!
>
> >> You have been and continue to be wrong:
>
> >> "Platelet response to aspirin as measured by collagen-induced light
> >> transmittance aggregation, ADP-induced light transmittance
> >> aggregation, PFA-100 (81 mg versus 162 mg, P0.05), and urinary 11-
> >> dehydrothromboxane B2 was dose-related (81 mg versus 325 mg,
> >> P=0.003)."
>
> >> Source:
>
> >>http://circ.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/full/115/25/3156
>
> > Which proves nothing about the benefits of aspirin in those who are
> > aspirin resistant.
>
> The fact that these investigators still observed a dose response in
> patients with varying amounts of aspirin resistance supports what the
> Holy Spirit guided this physician to write earlier
No, it doesn't. There is no data whatsoever on the effects of your
"recommendation" in terms of health outcomes in real people, for one
because the parameters of aspirin resistance are still in the early
stages of study. Your advice is both misleading and potentially
dangerous.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > PeterB wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > >> PeterB wrote:
> > >> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
> > >> > >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3d12d32824a4df74?
> >
> > >> > > Folks with aspirin resistance would require more aspirin and not less
> > >> > > to none for the benefit of lowering the risk of fatal cardiac events.
> >
> > >> > Wrong!
> >
> > >> You have been and continue to be wrong:
> >
> > >> "Platelet response to aspirin as measured by collagen-induced light
> > >> transmittance aggregation, ADP-induced light transmittance
> > >> aggregation, PFA-100 (81 mg versus 162 mg, P0.05), and urinary 11-
> > >> dehydrothromboxane B2 was dose-related (81 mg versus 325 mg,
> > >> P=0.003)."
> >
> > >> Source:
> >
> > >>http://circ.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/full/115/25/3156
> >
> > > Which proves nothing about the benefits of aspirin in those who are
> > > aspirin resistant.
> >
> > The fact that these investigators still observed a dose response in
> > patients with varying amounts of aspirin resistance supports what the
"Folks with aspirin resistance would require more aspirin and not less
to none for the benefit of lowering the risk of fatal cardiac events."
-- Andrew, in the Holy Spirit
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3d12d32824a4df74?
> No, it doesn't.
It does for the discerning who have the understanding that aspirin for
secondary prevention remains a critical part of the standard of care
supported by the peer-reviewed medical literature:
"Aggressive secondary prevention is critical to improving long-term
outcomes in patients with ischemic coronary artery disease,
cerebrovascular disease, and peripheral artery disease. An essential
component of successful secondary prevention is antiplatelet therapy,
which in most patient populations consists of aspirin, clopidogrel,
aspirin plus clopidogrel, or aspirin plus extended-release
dipyridamole."
Source:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19558255
Here again is that Spirit-guided thought about faux-christians like
you, Peter B.:
2 Peter 2:22
Yes, the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict you:
Bottom line concerning you:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3a93a8d803ceeb62?
There is pure joy in being used by GOD to change hearts:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?
May GOD give you, Peter B., a new heart and a new spirit (Ezekiel
11:19-20 and 36:26) so that you would be born again of water and
Spirit (John 3:3 and 3:5) so that you would come to trust the truth,
Who is Jesus:
Amen.
Be hungrier, which is truly healthier especially for diabetics and
other heart disease patients:
Peter Bowditch
MoSn
(in article
<2fbf9cfd-03e0-4858...@k17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>):
>>>> MU seems to be a Chung fan.
>>
>>>> I found MU saying following:
>>>> "Holier than thou bullshit, Kirkman and you know it.
>>>> ï¿œHow about telling the rest of the Usenet world about
>>>> ï¿œyour *decade* long harassment of Dr. Andrew Chung
>>>> ï¿œand your criminal faking to be a certified US doctor (which
>>>> ï¿œyou are not)."
>>
>>>> Is MU an alter ego for Chung? And no I am
>>>> not interested enough to check. It seems
>>>> evident that Chung google stars some of
>>>> his postings 5 or 6 times. Something I could
>>>> do if I used my full number of free email
>>>> addresses.
>>
>>>> MU and Chung............Trig
>>
>>> I believe that Chung (who now admits to posting under different
>>> aliases) is a PR goon. ï¿œHe exhibits most of the tactics documented in
>>> the "Warning" post. ï¿œI believe his religious language is designed to
>>> interfere with a proper focus on topical discussion. ï¿œHis interaction
>>> with advocates of natural medicine is demonstrating a language pattern
>>> consistent with those who astroturf for industry. ï¿œAs many suspected,
>>> this character is phony on more levels than one.
>>
>> And so should be ignored
>
> I agree, except when his words mislead others in a matter of public
> health.
>
That is what spammers and trolls like CHung/MU do. After only a short while
it is obvious that is what he is.
ver...@gefinden.com
The two pound diet,aka 2pd etc. is quack science. It has flaws of both
fact and logic. It was invented to fit a preexisting agenda and does
not flow from evidence based on research. The diet inventor has many
times been appraised of his flaws but clings to them for reasons other
then science or valid medical practice
All of this nonsense of measure by weight or volume comes from the
agenda fitting, not well established research. But sadly even the
agenda is based on misunderstood and misapplied information. Even when
corrected, the author of the agenda for nothing but pride and vain face
saving can not deal with that truth.
The weight part came from a failed knowledge of a particular verse in
scripture. When shown to be wrong, he promptly said he had been given a
new interpretation to set the record straight. And of course this new
information led where the agenda demands.
Bottom line, ignore any reference to the two pound diet,aka 2 pd etc.
and stick with established information and sources of expert authorities
which do not include the vanity of vanity distorting reality in this
case.
There is a larger problem then misinformation obvious to anyone familiar
with the inventor's posts.
May God bless and protect and heal.
MU
> On Nov 10, 9:19�ｿｽam, MU <efacsimi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 14:41:04 -0800 (PST), PeterB - Original wrote:
>>> On Nov 9, 11:17�ｿｽam, MU <efacsimi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 22:09:08 -0800 (PST), Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>>>>> PeterB - Original wrote:
>>>>>> MU wrote:
>>>>>>> PeterB - Original wrote:
>>>>>>> >> Bill who putters wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> >>> "The latest issue of the Drug and Therapeutics Bulletin (DTB) reports
>>>>>>> >>>that the use of low-dose aspirin to protect against heart attacks and
>>>>>>> >>>strokes in individuals yet to develop obvious cardiovascular disease,
>>>>>>> >>>should be abandoned."
>>
>>>>>>> >>><http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/169546.php>
>>
>>>>>>> > I do not agree with low dose aspirin for anyone. �ｿｽApproximately 25% of
>>>>>>> > the population is aspirin sensitive, a potentially symptom free
>>>>>>> > condition that predisposes the individual to an *increased* risk of
>>>>>>> > MI. �ｿｽProper intake of omega3 EFAs, vitamin C, B vitamins, and
>>>>>>> > magnesium will dramatically lower the risk of fatal cardiac events
>>>>>>> > without the risk of side effects.
>>
>>>>>>> Citations?
>>
>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>
>>>>>> Search on "aspirin resistance" and you'll get thousands of articles,
>>>>>> many in pubmed.
>>
>>>>> Folks with aspirin resistance would require more aspirin and not less
>>>>> to none for the benefit of lowering the risk of fatal cardiac events.
>>
>>>> I'd add that he needs to search for the definition of "resistance" v.s.
>>>> intolerance or w/ever it is he's attempting to relate. I have no idea.
>>
>>> I referred you to the medical literature in response to your query
>>> because the subject is widely discussed there. �ｿｽ Sorry I couldn't
>>> make it easier for you.
>>
>> You didn't "refer me" to anything specific. You pointed at a library
>> and said "go there, seek to prove me right".
>
> The term "aspirin resistance" is quite specific to the issue raised
> and yields more than 130,000 results in a Google query. No one is
> asking you to prove anything.
Post those for me. I don't believe you.
>> Get a grip, you haven't the first line of credibility regarding control
>> studies and the validity of their ensuing citations.
>
> Is that why you asked me for citations?
Post those for me. I don't believe you.
>> Btw, "I can read" is not a qualification. LOL
>
> That must explain why you didn't bother trying to do so.
Post those for me. I don't believe you.
MU
Let's see, who to believe, who to believe? Hmm, a cardiologist who has
been my physician or "Peter The Tool.
Hmmm. what do you think, "Peter"?
lol
MU
You're wasting your time. Peter blows off then claims the citations
exist but refuses to provide even one in 130,000 (his reference).
Gee, I dunno. Maybe we give a damn about being accurate. And maybe we
don't much care about know-nothing blowhards who throw bad advice and
accusations around because they're too emotionally stunted to admit
they're just too damned stupid to know what the heck they're talking
about.
Hey, Peter, ever stop to think for a second that sometimes when it seems
like everyone is on your ass there's a reason for it? And that reason
is you?
liaM
> "The latest issue of the Drug and Therapeutics Bulletin (DTB) reports
> that the use of low-dose aspirin to protect against heart attacks and
> strokes in individuals yet to develop obvious cardiovascular disease,
> should be abandoned."
>
> <http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/169546.php>
>
>
trigonometry1972@gmail.com |
> "trigonometry1...@gmail.com |" wrote:
>
> > For some people, aspirin does not have as strong an effect
> > on platelets as for others, an effect known as aspirin resistance
> > or insensitivity. One study has suggested that women are
> > more likely to be resistant than men[107] and a different,
> > aggregate study of 2,930 patients found 28% to be
> > resistant.[108] A study in 100 Italian patients found that
> > of the apparent 31% aspirin resistant subjects, only 5%
> > were truly resistant, and the others were
> > non-compliant.[109]
>
> I took low dose aspirin for several years. It seems
> to have caused the tinnitus I had starting about a
> year ago. I blamed it on caffeine, which does seem
> to worsen tinnitus, but even after months of not
> drinking coffee, I still had the tinnitus. I quit
> the aspirin a month or two ago, and it's almost gone
> now.
>
> I also learned that aspirin can raise the risk of
> gout. It may have contributed to a gout flare-up
> I had shortly before quitting.
>
> For me, anyway, having these two risk factors probably
> means I should avoid the use of aspirin except for
> short duration use to treat headaches.
I've not been one to take much for headaches.
And when I was on PPI meds for GERD, I
had at least a mild headache much of the
time. Further aspirin and its NSAID kin
were contraindicated as I WAS a GERD
sufferer. This not to say I haven't used
my share of NSAIDs and even aspirin
back in the day for knee pain.
I got over the knee pain using high dose
vitamin B-3. I am not saying this was
risk free but rather my stomach could
no longer take any more NSAIDs so
I tried the B-3 and it worked. And the GERD
I got over that or at least completely control
it by finally rejecting the conventional PPI meds
which had gradually caused ever worsening
side effects such that I tried alternative
medicine's paradigm of reflux and one
of its treatments betaine HCL plus
melatonin (largely by chance) and
I got better after spend a small
fortune on conventional GERD treatment.
PPI meds for GERD are sad and nasty
joke on the patient. They help somewhat
but in time ones becomes dyspeptic and
just generally sick.
These days I also take MSM, boswellia
in a standardized form, and fish oil
for my aches and pains. I also take
a relatively large of vitamin D for the
last 9 years.
So you might try NSAIDs and melatonin?
In hopes of protecting the gut. Anymore
I can't take NSAIDs more than a day
and not feel some adverse effects.
Or try some the above for headaches?
I mean the boswellia and EPA/DHA.
Another thing that is said to help
reduce the frequency of migraine headaches
is high dose riboflavin which should be
relatively safe.
It seems I've often only tried alternative treatments
after conventional treatments had worn out
their welcome.
Also when I was on PPI meds some of
the classic migraine trigger foods could
bring on a nasty headache....mainly coffee, chocolate which since I
had GERD I mostly
avoided anyway.
And by the way, I can drink coffee now
without ill effect.
No GERD, no PPI meds, no headache.........Trig
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ba8379f6c69b4310?
<><
Amen.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/085dcffcafb7e4e2?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21527d1832960109?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a4581567229974c0?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfmkax1wbRU
... by being hungrier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/52a3db8576495806?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/386f56c2f6d0b154?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/bd20d7c4fe878897?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ffa6609710ea9587?
Amen.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?
Be hungrier, which is truly healthier especially for diabetics and