The Atheist
Christian Person
An atheist was taking a walk through the woods. What majestic trees!
What powerful rivers! What beautiful animals!" he said to himself.
As he was walking alongside the river he heard a rustling in the
bushes behind him. He turned to look. He saw a 7 foot grizzly charge
towards him. He ran as fast as he could up the path. He looked over
his shoulder and saw that the bear was closing in on him. He looked
over his shoulder again, and the bear was even closer He tripped and
fell on the ground. He rolled over to pick himself up but saw the bear
right on top of him, reaching for him with his left paw and raising
his right paw to strike him. At that instant the Atheist cried out:
"Oh my God!..."
Time stopped.
The bear froze.
The forest was silent.
As a bright light shone upon the man, a voice came out of the sky:
"You deny my existence for all of these years, teach others I don't
exist, and even credit creation to a cosmic accident. Do you expect me
to help you out of this predicament? Am I to count you as a believer?"
The atheist looked directly into the light, "It would be hypocritical
of me to suddenly ask You to treat me as a Christian now, but perhaps
could you make the BEAR a Christian?"
"Very well," said the voice.
The light went out. The sounds of the forest resumed. And then the
bear dropped his right paw, brought both paws together and bowed his
head and spoke: "Lord, bless this food, which I am about to receive
from thy bounty through Christ our Lord Amen."
Comments concerning this public service message will be taken under
advisement via comm...@truthrus.org.
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Thanks :-)
Let us continue to pray for those who would reject Him, out of love that
comes from our Lord and Savior.
They really know not what they do.
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/
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GG
GaryG
after the Sox won game 6. Schilling gave all credit to God who "was out
there on the mound with me tonight".
But, if that's the case, how is it that he gave up a homer to the Yankees in
the bottom of the 7th inning? If God was pitching, wouldn't it be a
"perfect game"?
GG
William Wagner
"GaryG" <garyg@shasta_SPAMBEGONE_software.com> wrote:
I thought it was Angels in the outfield. I know of at least two films
concerning baseball that have angels etc. not counting ³Field of
dreams.² What ever sells.
The question then becomes can Curt do it again in the series?
Who cares? With over 1000 killed and 8000 maimed?
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Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> BTW - I heard Boston Red Sox pitcher Curt Schilling praising God and Jesus
> after the Sox won game 6. Schilling gave all credit to God who "was out
> there on the mound with me tonight".
>
> But, if that's the case, how is it that he gave up a homer to the Yankees in
> the bottom of the 7th inning?
Curt is not God.
> If God was pitching, wouldn't it be a
> "perfect game"?
Yes.
Truth is simple :-)
> GG
You remain in my prayers, dear Gary whom I love, in Christ's holy name.
May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that you too
will escape satan's rule and torment of your soul after you die.
Please do consider the following before it is too late:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
Don Kirkman
<q9pfn09eg10tbe7bb...@4ax.com>:
>The Atheist
The Unauthorized Version
In the beginning was the song, and behold it had both music and lyrics,
and it was somewhat raunchy, and it was in the year nineteen ought four,
and the song was named "The Preacher and the Bear," and it was spread
upon piano rolls and often pressed upon records by cantor Arthur Collins
and thus sent throughout the land, and every chorus ended with the
refrain "Oh, Lawd, if you can't help me, for goodness sakes don'tcha
help that Bear!" and it was good.
http://wiscasset.net/artcraft/rolls5.htm
[Collins recorded "The Preacher and the Bear" soon after it was
published in 1904. Normally credited to Joe Arzonia, the song was
actually written by George Fairman (1881-1962) of Front Royal, Virginia.
In 1955 Fairman wrote to Jim Walsh that in 1902 or 1903, shortly after
he composed it, he sold for $250 all rights to the song to Arzonia . . .
In the fortieth decade of the nineteenth century did Phil Harris,
troubadour and leader of troubadours and bandsmen, sanitize the lyrics a
jot and a tittle and send forth the song on simple flat discs of wax
which whirled mightily and sent the sound to the waiting people, and the
song did take the land by storm, and the people rejoiced and Preacher
Harris did join the song to his hymn to the promised land, "That's What
I Like About the South," and thus did he prosper, and it was good.
[Somewhat cleaned up from the original 1904 version, with chords for
pickin' and singin']
[Begin]
[THE PREACHER AND THE BEAR
As recorded by Phil Harris
Writer: Arzonia (Joe Arizona)
[Bb] Now a preacher went out walkin'
Was [Eb] on one Sunday [Bb] morn'
It was against his religion
But he [C] took his gun a-[F] long
He [Bb] shot himself some mighty fine quail
And [Eb] one little "measly" [Bb] hare
But [Eb] on his way [Bb] returnin' home
He met a [F] great big grizzly [Bb] bear;
NARRATION: (In [Bb])
Well, the bear got down in the middle of the road
On all fours like a great big toad
And looked that preacher right square in the eye
And the preacher looked at him and said: "Bye-bye."
Started down the road and took out to run
The bear right after that preacher did come
Run and they run for about a mile
Then they both sat down and rested awhile
The preacher got up - started again
The bear he started out with more vim
They ran and they ran til he spotted a tree
Said: "Up on the limb is the place for me."
The bear got close - made a grab for him
Preacher leaps up and he made the limb
Pulled himself up and turns about
Cast his eyes to the skies and [F] he did [Bb] shout;
Refrain:
"[Bb] Oh, Lawd, you delivered [Eb] Daniel from the lion's [Bb] den
Also delivered Jonah from the [C] belly of the whale and [F] then
The [Bb] Hebrew children from the fiery furnace
So the [Eb] good book do [Bb] declare
Yes! [Eb] Lord, if you can't [Bb] help me,
For goodness [F] sake don't help that [Bb] bear."
NARRATION:
Just about then the limb let go
And the preacher came tumblin' down
Reached in his pocket, pulled his razor out
Just before he hit the ground
He hit the ground with an awful bang
It was a terrible sight
The preacher and the bear, with a razor in his hair
Just a-cuttin' left and right
Well, they rolled around on the ground
The preacher was up and then he was down
The bear let out an awful moan
It looked like the preacher was holdin' his own
"Lord, if I get out of here alive
That Good Book I will abide
I'll never sin on Sabbath day
And Sunday come, I'll pray and pray."
To the heavens, he did glance
Said; "Lord, just gimme one more chance."
Then his suspenders gave away
And he knocked that bear ten feet away
Then the preacher got up and made a bound
To the tree where he'd be safe and sound
Pulled himself up and turned about
Cast his eyes to the skies and he did shout:
Repeat Refrain:
Note. http://www.bmi.com lists many authors for other versions.
[End]
http://www.cowboylyrics.com/tabs/misc/the-preacher-and-the-bear-3282.html
But prophets and judges who knew not the song nor Preacher Harris fell
upon the lyrics and they discerned that some of the words were of
religious flavor, and so they did greatly sanitize the already sanitized
lyrics, and lo! they did transform it into a parable for the spreading
of their special knowledge of God's way with preachers and bears, and it
was not so good as the original versions had been, for they laughed not
with God for the goodness of his world and for his giving to his special
people the wisdom and humor he meant them to have. But God laughed, and
it was good.
--
Don
don...@covad.net
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Thanks for sharing :-)
>
> Don
> don...@covad.net
You remain in my prayers, dear Don whom I love, in Christ's holy name.
Frank ess
shhh
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Christian Person <chri...@truthrus.org> wrote in message news:<q9pfn09eg10tbe7bb...@4ax.com>...
>
> Respectfully, Christian Person, you will never succeed in your
> message with goofy homilies like this.
It would seem that Christian Person has successfully drawn you out.
> There is infinitely more at
> stake in this culture war than any uniquely religious view of mankind.
Why do you see the light of truth as a weapon of war?
> The battle we face transcends all of this nonsense to the extent we
> fail to accept that pure evil exists apart from any purely religious
> definition of what constitutes evil.
>
Christ would have you refrain from judging others.
> Evil exists or it does not, and unless mankind, as an organism if you
> will, comes to some sort of consensus on the matter, all is for
> naught.
We are all sinners, Cleopatra.
> The "Golden Rule," while common to most of the world's
> religions, is in direct conflict with man's basic nature. It's on this
> level that your message fails, for the instinct to survive is far
> stronger than our inclination toward the purely spiritual.
>
Because of Adam, we will all die. Because of Christ, there is the option of eternal life with our heavenly Father
who created everything. This message should appeal to your instinct to survive, so why hasn't it?
>
> This culture war does not involve religious people and non-religious
> people, but rather truly evil people and fundamentally good people.
>
Again, we are all sinners and fall short of perfection. There is no war except that which is in each individual's
heart and mind to decide on whether or not to accept Christ as Lord and Savior.
> It's been ever thus, sir, for long before any organized religions made
> their influence felt on mankind, we existed as a species for untold
> millennia. What, then, is Christ's message, or Moses' message for that
> matter, to these ancient people? Do they simply perish for lack of
> grace or affiliation with organized religions?
>
Why trouble yourself with the fate of the dead when you have the option of accepting eternal life with the God of
the living ?
>
> No, sir, they don't, for the God of this universe implanted in our
> heart of hearts good and evil, and we all know it when we see it and
> when we inflict it upon others.
Actually, we disobeyed the God of this universe when we stole the knowledge of good and evil after being explicitly
told that this knowledge was off-limits.
> Our battle is not a religious one,
> sir, but one against unimaginably evil people.
Our battle is an internal one as we decide whether to repent and accept the sacrifice that His Son made on our
behalf to have our sins forgiven or continue to be disobedient as our forefathers back to Adam have been.
> Thank you for reading
> this.
>
You are welcome. All praises belong to my heavenly Father, Whom I love with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength
:-)
>
> Cleopatra
You will be in my prayers, dear Cleopatra whom I love, in Christ's holy name.
May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that you too will escape satan's rule and
torment of your soul after you die.
Please do consider the following before it is too late:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
George
practicing medical training (for reasons we can only imagine) to spout
this gibberish. Too bad your education wasn't given to someone who
could actually use it to some benefit.
No need to respond. We know what you will say. It's getting old your
shtick.
Carol T
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Using your now non
> practicing medical training (for reasons we can only imagine) to spout
> this gibberish. Too bad your education wasn't given to someone who
> could actually use it to some benefit.
>
> No need to respond. We know what you will say. It's getting old your
> shtick.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Dear George,
Are you jealous of Andrew's education? Of the few who get to go to
university there are many more millions who never so much as put their
foot through a nursery school door, let alone a university. I'm sure
that you went to school, and who knows maybe university too. What are
you doing with your education to improve this world?
A doctor may help to heal just one person, but Christ heals
generations and the generations after that. Yet the person who was
saved by the doctor's skill will be long since dead along with the
doctor when the generations are alive. Only Christ has the light to
this world and He holds a key to the greater understanding of things
which He will give to you if you want to receive it.
Andrew speaks openly of his love for Christ and of Christ's ways,
which are an example to all the children of this world.
It's the doctors who don't know Christ's ways who should be worrying
you.
In Christ's love
Carol T
George
have no problem at all.
Unfortunately some of us here want some meanigful
information/discussion about cardiology. Instead it is hijacked.
And while Chung may have contributed somewhat in the past, his input
the last year or so has been go see your doctor, then ad nauseum blind
faith crap.
And those idiots who have seen 4 doctors yet want his learned opinion
deserve whatever comes their way, which according to Chung will be
wonderful if they bend over and take this religious nonsense up the
ass.
MU
> What a cute little fairy tale. Thanks for sharing.
Welcome. We *give* freely. How about offering *your* weight tracking
program, at no charge, to anyone who reads Usenet. Chung even gave the
2PDiet away to the Governor of Georgia, no fee attached. Never has charged
a soul and neither have I.
Whaddya say, GG?
MU
Don't know about that. Still waiting for you to give your program away as
freely as we give the 2PDiet.
Whaddya say, GG?
MU
> Who cares? With over 1000 killed and 8000 maimed?
That's the military count not the actual count.
GaryG
news:8aykg3c25yku.1c...@40tude.net...
Sorry, dear MU. Although I do donate quite a bit of my time and software
development talents to various non-profit organizations, my WeightWare
program ( http://www.WeightWare.com ) is one of my sources of income. As
such, I cannot afford to give it away for free.
Do you have a job? If so, do you give away your time for free?
GG
http://www.WeightWare.com
Your Weight and Health Diary
GaryG
Well, dear MU, there's an old saying in economics that, "You get what you
pay for".
That said, my WeightWare program ( http://www.WeightWare.com ) can be
downloaded from my website, and evaluated for free for 30 days. That's
pretty fair, don't you think?
Jefferson
>
> They really know not what they do.
>
Do you know what you do? You turn more people away from Jesus than
towards Him.
John 10:7 Then Jesus said to them again, “Most assuredly, I say to you,
I am the door of the sheep. 8 “All who ever came before Me are thieves
and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them. 9 “I am the door. If
anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find
pasture. 10 “The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and
to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have
it more abundantly.
In John 10:10 "life - 2222" "more abundantly - 4053"
The Strong's Greek number in this verse is for "zoe" which is spiritual
life and as indicated this spiritual life is to be more abundantly
received. Character is an aspect of the spiritual life. It is
something that you do not demonstrate. Redeem your time and do
something worthwhile. Stop your trolling, in Jesus Name!
Cubit
I have no connection with Fitday, except as a customer.
George
Gary anyone hustling anything on usenet gets flamed and deservedly so.
If your marketing consists of usenet promotion don't expect too many
friendly responses here.
GaryG
news:n4hin0dr609j54c3r...@4ax.com...
> Free.
My compliments...for freeware, that's a pretty good looking program (except
for the MSChart control which always seems to produce "muddy" text - I
dumped that control about a year ago in favor of ChartFX from
SoftwareFX.com). Your app seems more focused on diabetes, while mine is
more about understanding and tracking weight loss although there is some
overlap (e.g., WeightWare tracks blood glucose, but not A1C - your program
tracks weight, but does not have a goal setting feature, nor does it
calculate trends).
The user interface is also pretty good, if a bit rough in spots (e.g., the
first time startup questions are pretty confusing, and the use of option
buttons to launch the various features is non-standard).
I did notice one bug - when I recorded two weight entries, the program
truncates the "Weight Change" column to an integer value. With the
popularity of digital scales, this seems unnecessary and confusing. For
instance, I recorded 175.2 lbs one day, and 173.6 lbs the next day (a loss
of 1.6 lbs), but the program reported the weight change as "-1" lb.
GG
http://www.WeightWare.com
Your Weight and Health Diary
>
> _____________________________________________
> http://www.tcainternet.com/retired/index.html
> Free Diabetic Software
GaryG
>
> Gary anyone hustling anything on usenet gets flamed and deservedly so.
> If your marketing consists of usenet promotion don't expect too many
> friendly responses here.
I'm aware of that. My original replies in this thread did not mention my
software at all - "MU" raised that issue.
GG
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Hi Chung:
> >
> > They really know not what they do.
> >
>
> Do you know what you do?
Yes.
> You turn more people away from Jesus than
> towards Him.
>
Those who are bothered by my being openly Christian are also bothered by
Jesus' teachings.
>
> John 10:7 Then Jesus said to them again, “Most assuredly, I say to you,
> I am the door of the sheep. 8 “All who ever came before Me are thieves
> and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them. 9 “I am the door. If
> anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find
> pasture. 10 “The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and
> to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have
> it more abundantly.
>
Correct.
Christ is the way, the truth, and the life.
>
> In John 10:10 "life - 2222" "more abundantly - 4053"
> The Strong's Greek number in this verse is for "zoe" which is spiritual
> life and as indicated this spiritual life is to be more abundantly
> received. Character is an aspect of the spiritual life. It is
> something that you do not demonstrate.
Your judgment.
> Redeem your time and do
> something worthwhile.
Imo, praising Christ is worthwhile.
> Stop your trolling, in Jesus Name!
Again, sorry my being openly Christian bothers you.
It remains my choice to walk with Him and obey His commandments.
Christ teaches from Matthew 28:
18Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth
has been given to me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations,
baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy
Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And
surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."
May God add His blessing to the writing of His Word here on Usenet, in
Christ's name.
Amen
GaryG
> learn the hard way. It also produces a crappy graph. It only allows
> me to put up four data lines on one chart, very limiting function.
>
> How much did chartfx cost you?
Can't recall...it lists for $599 but I think you can get a better price from
some of the component vendors. The product is very flexible and very good
(although it does take some time to learn it's peculiarities). Check out
softwarefx.com - the version you want is
http://www.softwarefx.com/SFXComProducts/CfxClientServer/
>
> >dumped that control about a year ago in favor of ChartFX from
> >SoftwareFX.com). Your app seems more focused on diabetes, while mine is
>
> I created it under the theme of diabetes, since that is what I have,
> but is moving in other areas.
>
> >more about understanding and tracking weight loss although there is some
> >overlap (e.g., WeightWare tracks blood glucose, but not A1C - your
program
> >tracks weight, but does not have a goal setting feature, nor does it
> >calculate trends).
>
> Why spend time worrying about Trends with weight loss? A waste of
> time. Weight loss is slow. You use trend analysis for erratic
> movements like BG's and maybe BP, not weight.
I disagree, precisely because weight loss is slow (and because body weight
fluctuates quite a bit from day to day). If I can determine that my weight
loss trend for the last 90 days has been -100 calories per day, that tells
me something important. Successful long-term weight loss is best achieved
by maintaining a small, but consistent, daily calorie deficit. Knowing what
your recent trend has been can help with this process. And, being able to
see changes in the trend can also provide advanced warning for when a weight
loss plan is getting off track. If my 30-day trend has been around -250
calories per day, but now it's moving up towards -100 calories per day, this
tells me my weight loss is getting off track and I need to take corrective
action before I find myself gaining weight.
> >
> >The user interface is also pretty good, if a bit rough in spots (e.g.,
the
> >first time startup questions are pretty confusing, and the use of option
> >buttons to launch the various features is non-standard).
>
> True. But it is simple and very functional.
>
> >
> >I did notice one bug - when I recorded two weight entries, the program
> >truncates the "Weight Change" column to an integer value. With the
> >popularity of digital scales, this seems unnecessary and confusing. For
> >instance, I recorded 175.2 lbs one day, and 173.6 lbs the next day (a
loss
> >of 1.6 lbs), but the program reported the weight change as "-1" lb.
> >
>
> A valid point. An easy fix. Thanks for the heads up.
No worries...it's another example of how programmers make the worst software
testers (and I am definitely NOT excluding myself from that
characterization!).
I also noticed that the summary weight change grid (Last 14 days, Last 30
days, etc.) is displaying 6 decimal places - looks like some sort of
rounding issue (I've had to implement my own rounding functions to deal with
this, as VB tends to do this frequently when displaying double precision
floating point numbers).
Just out of curiosity, have you ever considered selling your software? It
seems to me to have some commercial potential.
BTW - for a real hair-pulling challenge, try adding support for British
units of weight (Stone and Lbs). What a nightmare that was!
GG
Carey Gregory
>Those who are bothered by my being openly Christian are also bothered by
>Jesus' teachings.
Wow.... You actually equate acceptance of Andrew Chung with acceptance of
Christ. "If you reject me, you reject Christ." That's what you just said.
Well, just for the record, you are wrong in my case. I'm certainly not
bothered by Jesus' teachings, but I am bothered by you and the behavior you
call "being openly Christian."
George
>Well, just for the record, you are wrong in my case. I'm certainly not
>bothered by Jesus' teachings, but I am bothered by you and the behavior you
>call "being openly Christian."
As opposed to being openly Christian I think he's openly nuts. What
bothers me is that on his account this group has turned to pure crap.
Carol T
>>>>>>>>> And those idiots who have seen 4 doctors yet want his
learned opinion
> deserve whatever comes their way, which according to Chung will be
> wonderful if they bend over and take this religious nonsense up the
> ass.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
But I believe in God and I can bake a cake. Does believing in God make
my cake making skills any worse for knowing Him? If you don't know the
answer to this because you've never tasted my cake, then this is a
fine answer. However, you might be prepared to taste the cake and
decide for yourself.
So, I could cut you a piece of my cake and ask God to bless it before
you eat it. This might not have changed its flavour to you, but my
desire for you to enjoy it more through God's blessings will increase
its place in my life and in yours. To you this may only be an
'opinion', but as I'm the cook of the cake I promise you that a
blessing from God ranks more highly on my cake than any compliment
anyone can pay my cooking skills.
Of course you might turn the cake down after I had blessed it, simply
'because' I have blessed it. In this case you will never have known
what it tasted like. Would you then have qualified to make a judgement
on my cooking skills though?
You might come to me and say to me I'd like a piece of your cake, but
I don't believe in your Lord. I will not stop you having a piece, any
more than Andrew stops people taking a piece of his learned skills.
Yet you might also stand in front of me frustrated because you
desperately want a piece of the cake, you are uncertain about my Lord,
but you are increased in frustration because you didn't want to hear
or know about my preference for it to be blessed. Now that's a
conundrum for you because tasting my cake means that you are being
given so much 'more' than me, and a reluctance to take it without
saying something may result in you receiving something extra which you
might want again and again and again.
Fortunately for you, my skill at cake making is not that unique and
there are a world of cooks who will just give you a piece of cake. If
you still desperately want 'my' cake in its fullest glory then you may
even decide it's worth taking the blessing along with it. It is always
your choice.
In observing your interaction over the cake I will have learned so
much more about you and your needs than you will have learned of my
cooking skills. This is one of the reasons Christians take the
suffering and knocks from others and appear to just stand there and
take it regardless of the name calling, stones and abuse. The more
knocks they will take for you, and with you, the more genuine you will
measure their love for you and their Lord. There is no reason for this
as Christ's love is unconditional, but we've all been there before and
know why you struggling. We will take the struggle with you and give
it to Jesus for you until you come to know Him.
So whilst Andrew is taking the stone throwing and abuse I'm calling on
your conscience and wisdom to know that sometimes Satan can use people
as an instrument for an unwarranted attacks. This is why Christ tells
you to put Satan behind you, because God knows that Satan can trick
you into making unwarranted personal abuse.
It is our sin which prevents us from tasting the blessed cake and not
the actual blessing itself. This is why Jesus preached about how
people can drink the old wine believing it is better until they taste
the new.
I know a dentist who preaches for our Lord Jesus Christ, ultimately he
may chose between the two if he finds himself in the position you are
putting Andrew in. This may mean that he no longer practices dentistry
to help save a troubled soul at sometime in his future. This has no
reflection on his skills as a dentist, which I believe are second to
none. What about the troubled soul though if he chooses his dentistry
over his ministry for Christ, will this take a troubled soul's need
for Christ's help away? Maybe, for now, God wants him to do both
equally well and through ministry gives him the Spirit to add to his
other 'learned' dentistry skill.
Christ loves you George and His help will come from elsewhere if not
via Andrew. This is how He works in our lives.
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Don't forget that Jesus was healing folks up until the day He was taken
to be crucified.
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
> "MU" <muno...@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
> news:cahctcwth3ap$.1e42ddu79c5th$.dlg@40tude.net...
> > On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 08:31:17 -0700, GaryG wrote:
> >
> > > BTW - I heard Boston Red Sox pitcher Curt Schilling praising God and
> Jesus
> > > after the Sox won game 6. Schilling gave all credit to God who "was out
> > > there on the mound with me tonight".
> > >
> > > But, if that's the case, how is it that he gave up a homer to the
> Yankees in
> > > the bottom of the 7th inning? If God was pitching, wouldn't it be a
> > > "perfect game"?
> > >
> > > GG
> >
> > Don't know about that. Still waiting for you to give your program away as
> > freely as we give the 2PDiet.
> >
> > Whaddya say, GG?
>
> Well, dear MU, there's an old saying in economics that, "You get what you
> pay for".
It is written in the Bible that a man can not serve two masters.
So who are you serving Gary ?
You remain in my prayers, dear Gary whom I love.
May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that
you too will escape satan's rule and torment of your soul after you die.
Please do consider the following before it is too late:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
> O
> >Well, just for the record, you are wrong in my case. I'm certainly not
> >bothered by Jesus' teachings, but I am bothered by you and the behavior you
> >call "being openly Christian."
>
> As opposed to being openly Christian I think he's openly nuts.
Ouch. You may have at the other cheek.
> What
> bothers me is that on his account this group has turned to pure crap.
And yet you continue to participate in this thread which was clearly
off-topic from the outset. Seems that this has struck a chord in you.
You remain in my prayers, dear George whom I love.
May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that
you too will escape satan's rule and torment of your soul after you die.
Please do consider the following before it is too late:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
> Carol if this newsgroup was titled alt.religion.kooks.zealots I would
> have no problem at all.
Without Christ, your whole life is a problem.
> Unfortunately some of us here want some meanigful
> information/discussion about cardiology. Instead it is hijacked.
As if an unmoderated Usenet newsgroup can be hijacked.
> And while Chung may have contributed somewhat in the past, his input
> the last year or so has been go see your doctor, then ad nauseum blind
> faith crap.
Sorry my being openly Christian bothers you ad nauseum.
God willing, this will continue ad infinitum :-)
> And those idiots who have seen 4 doctors yet want his learned opinion
> deserve whatever comes their way, which according to Chung will be
> wonderful if they bend over and take this religious nonsense up the
> ass.
And yet you continue to participate in this thread which was clearly
off-topic from the outset :-)
You remain in my prayers, dear George whom I love.
May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that
Becca
> Don't forget that Jesus was healing folks
Jesus is my pool cleaner, I had no idea he was so talented. He deserves
a raise.
Becca (who does not believe everything she reads)
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 14:30:42 -0700, "GaryG"
> <garyg@shasta_SPAMBEGONE_software.com> wrote:
> .
> >>
> >> How much did chartfx cost you?
> >
> >Can't recall...it lists for $599 but I think you can get a better price from
> >some of the component vendors. The product is very flexible and very good
> >(although it does take some time to learn it's peculiarities). Check out
> >softwarefx.com - the version you want is
> >http://www.softwarefx.com/SFXComProducts/CfxClientServer/
> >
>
> To much for a simple control.
> In order to make it commerical, I would have to revamp the whole
> theme. I would have to put more window dressing on it. The Help
> files are less than desirable, just simple text files. I designed the
> software for myself, I just let other people use it for free.
May God bless you for your kindness toward others :-)
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>
> >Those who are bothered by my being openly Christian are also bothered by
> >Jesus' teachings.
>
> Wow.... You actually equate acceptance of Andrew Chung with acceptance of
> Christ.
No. Would suggest you read my post again.
> "If you reject me, you reject Christ." That's what you just said.
>
Incorrect.
>
> Well, just for the record, you are wrong in my case. I'm certainly not
> bothered by Jesus' teachings, but I am bothered by you and the behavior you
> call "being openly Christian."
Would suggest you read Matthew 28:18-20.
Sorry my being openly Christian bothers you.
Thank you for this additional opportunity to spread the Word.
You remain in my prayers, dear Carey whom I love.
May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that you
too will escape satan's rule and torment of your soul after you die.
Please do consider the following before it is too late:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
George
time. Good thing I didn't read what you wrote, because even if I did
its so nonsensical its a waste of cyber space.
Carey Gregory
>Carey Gregory wrote:
>
>> Wow.... You actually equate acceptance of Andrew Chung with acceptance of
>> Christ.
>
>No. Would suggest you read my post again.
No thanks. I understood it just fine the first time.
Crowfoot
wrote:
> George wrote:
> >
> > Carol if this newsgroup was titled alt.religion.kooks.zealots I would
> > have no problem at all.
>
> Without Christ, your whole life is a problem.
Only to you, dear. Please go tend to your knitting, and you'll feel
better.
--
Crow
Dane Metcalfe
"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
news:1098380629./YxCW63h2xFo92kxROsstg@teranews...
> GaryG wrote:
>
> > BTW - I heard Boston Red Sox pitcher Curt Schilling praising God and
Jesus
> > after the Sox won game 6. Schilling gave all credit to God who "was out
> > there on the mound with me tonight".
> >
> > But, if that's the case, how is it that he gave up a homer to the
Yankees in
> > the bottom of the 7th inning?
>
>
> > If God was pitching, wouldn't it be a
> > "perfect game"?
>
>
> Truth is simple :-)
>
> > GG
>
> You remain in my prayers, dear Gary whom I love, in Christ's holy name.
>
> May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that
you too
> will escape satan's rule and torment of your soul after you die.
>
> Please do consider the following before it is too late:
>
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
>
>
>
> Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
>
> Andrew
>
> --
> http://www.heartmdphd.com/
>
> **
> Who is the humblest person in the universe?
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048
>
> What is all this about?
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?R20632B48
>
> Is this spam?
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?N69721867
>
>
I would hope that, with the state of the world being what it is, God would
have more important things to do than influence the outcome of a baseball
game...unless He had a wager with the Devil. The book of Job comes to mind.
For some reason Carl Jungs analysis of that I read several years ago always
comes to mind.
Dane
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Dane Metcalfe
"Crowfoot" <suz...@swcp.com> wrote in message
news:clfhef$j2j$9...@iruka.swcp.com...
I'm liking you better all the time-your funny, too :)
Dane Metcalfe
The Skeptics Dictionary
Skeptical Views of Christianity and the Bible
http://members.aol.com/JAlw/joseph_alward.html
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
If you read the rest of the Bible, you should realize that God considers
each believer to be important.
> For some reason Carl Jungs analysis of that I read several years ago always
> comes to mind.
Carl Jung is dead. Jesus Christ lives.
You choose the former and I choose the latter.
We live in a free country afterall :-)
> Dane
Nonetheless, you will be in my prayers to my heavenly Father, dear Dane
whom I love.
GaryG
"Dane Metcalfe" <quack_deala@ hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:417b5...@127.0.0.1...
>
> "Becca" <be...@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
> news:10nkpet...@corp.supernews.com...
> > Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> >
> > > Don't forget that Jesus was healing folks
> >
> > Jesus is my pool cleaner, I had no idea he was so talented. He deserves
> > a raise.
> >
> > Becca (who does not believe everything she reads)
>
> The Skeptics Dictionary
>
> http://skepdic.com/
>
> Skeptical Views of Christianity and the Bible
>
> http://members.aol.com/JAlw/joseph_alward.html
>
>
Great links, Dane! I was familiar with the first one, but not the second
one. Lots of good analysis and insights there. Thanks for posting.
GG
Dane Metcalfe
Where does he live at?Maybe I can go see him.
>
> You choose the former and I choose the latter.
>
> We live in a free country afterall :-)
>
> > Dane
>
> Nonetheless, you will be in my prayers to my heavenly Father, dear Dane]
> whom I love
and I love you too. Do you come with a dowry?.
>
> May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that
> you too will escape satan's rule and torment of your soul after you die.
>
> Please do consider the following before it is too late:
>
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
>
>
> Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
>
> Andrew
>
> --
> Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Board-Certified Cardiologist
> http://www.heartmdphd.com/
>
> **
> Who is the humblest person in the universe?
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048
>
> What is all this about?
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?R20632B48
>
> Is this spam?
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?N69721867
I dunno, I forgot to click em
Dane Metcalfe
"GaryG" <garyg@shasta_SPAMBEGONE_software.com> wrote in message
news:10nndju...@corp.supernews.com...
Your quite welcome. I have another somewhere, but I'll have to open a
hundred or so pages on my computer to find it.
I'll post it when I come across it.
Becca
> Skeptical Views of Christianity and the Bible
>
> http://members.aol.com/JAlw/joseph_alward.html
Thanks. It may take me forever to read all of this but I find it very
interesting.
Becca
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
The Bible is infinitely more interesting.
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
> "GaryG" <garyg@shasta_SPAMBEGONE_software.com> wrote in message
> news:10nndju...@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > "Dane Metcalfe" <quack_deala@ hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:417b5...@127.0.0.1...
> > >
> > > "Becca" <be...@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
> > > news:10nkpet...@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Don't forget that Jesus was healing folks
> > > >
> > > > Jesus is my pool cleaner, I had no idea he was so talented. He
> deserves
> > > > a raise.
> > > >
> > > > Becca (who does not believe everything she reads)
> > >
> > > The Skeptics Dictionary
> > >
> > > http://skepdic.com/
> > >
> > > Skeptical Views of Christianity and the Bible
> > >
> > > http://members.aol.com/JAlw/joseph_alward.html
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Great links, Dane! I was familiar with the first one, but not the second
> > one. Lots of good analysis and insights there. Thanks for posting.
> >
> > GG
> >
>
> hundred or so pages on my computer to find it.
> I'll post it when I come across it.
Your time would be better spent reading the Bible.
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
<snip>
> > Carl Jung is dead. Jesus Christ lives.
>
> Where does he live at?
In heaven, at His Father's side.
> Maybe I can go see him.
You'll have to accept Him first.
> > You choose the former and I choose the latter.
> >
> > We live in a free country afterall :-)
> >
> > > Dane
> >
> > Nonetheless, you will be in my prayers to my heavenly Father, dear Dane]
> > whom I love
>
> and I love you too.
Glad to read this.
> Do you come with a dowry?.
No.
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
> "Dane Metcalfe" <quack_deala@ hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:417b5...@127.0.0.1...
> >
> > "Becca" <be...@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
> > news:10nkpet...@corp.supernews.com...
> > > Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > >
> > > > Don't forget that Jesus was healing folks
> > >
> > > Jesus is my pool cleaner, I had no idea he was so talented. He deserves
> > > a raise.
> > >
> > > Becca (who does not believe everything she reads)
> >
> > The Skeptics Dictionary
> >
> > http://skepdic.com/
> >
> > Skeptical Views of Christianity and the Bible
> >
> > http://members.aol.com/JAlw/joseph_alward.html
> >
> >
>
> Great links, Dane! I was familiar with the first one, but not the second
> one. Lots of good analysis and insights there. Thanks for posting.
>
> GG
>
There is more truth in the Bible, Gary. Your time would have been
better spent there.
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
> Why is it, that as soon as someone find's Jesus, they try to give him away?
Have not seen a one.
> Becca
Your remain in my prayers, dear Becca whom I love.
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Dane Metcalfe
My mother inspired me to invent a new word :
hippochristian:
noun One who lives their life running amok and doing s they please, but,
after getting older and worrying about the fate of their soul after death,
becomes a christian-then everyone has to get right!
Carol T
>>>> Jesus is my pool cleaner, I had no idea he was so talented. He
deserves
> a raise.<<<
No need, Jesus Christ (the real one) was elevated to a position we can
only ever hope to strive toward because of our sin.
>>>>> Becca (who does not believe everything she reads)<<<<<<<
Believe that one, because there are millions of Christians in this
world who don't even know your pool cleaner, let alone the fact you
have a pool.
"And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are
first which shall be last." KJ Luke 13:30
Carol T
>>>>>> Skeptical Views of Christianity and the Bible <<<<<<<<<<<<<
Dear Dane,
Why argue against your sin, it simply becomes evident to others as you
search deeper for Satan's ways. Yet your sin only ever needed to be
between you and your saviour.
Christ gave us just 2 commandments; Love the Lord God with all your
heart, mind, soul and strength, and to love your neighbour as
yourself.
Don't you find it a little curious that so many people have put
together so much 'antichrist' opinions to excuse their reluctance to
apply these commandments to their own lives? Why do you get caught up
in their sinning.
If Satan successfully keeps you busy with the sin of others he does it
to keep you away from knowing your saviour. Are you strong enough to
resists Christ's love for you and yet have no strength against Satan?
It's best you pray to be saved by Christ's blood and not get involved
in the sinning of others.
antichrist = (against your own personal saviour)
Just 2 commandments at the cost of His death to show you the way !
Carol T
> Great links, Dane!
Dear Gary,
Why argue against your sin, it simply becomes evident to others as you
search deeper for Satan's ways. Yet your sin only ever needed to be
between you and your saviour.
Christ gave us just 2 commandments; Love the Lord God with all your
heart, mind, soul and strength, and to love your neighbour as
yourself.
Don't you find it a little curious that so many people have put
together so much 'antichrist' opinions to excuse their reluctance to
apply these commandments to their own lives? Why do you get caught up
in their sinning.
If Satan successfully keeps you busy with the sin of others he does it
to keep you away from knowing your saviour. Are you strong enough to
resists Christ's love for you and yet have no strength against Satan?
It's best you pray to be saved by Christ's blood and not get involved
in the sinning of others.
antichrist = (against your own personal saviour)
Just 2 commandments at the cost of His death to show you the way !
You have a garden pathway to walk toward Christ's light and you chose
to take a trip to the centre of evil to justify your sins. I pray for
you to take the garden path and see the light of your saviour.
Carol T
> >>>>>Even from someone as nutty as you Carol you have outdone yourself this
> time. Good thing I didn't read what you wrote, because even if I did
> its so nonsensical its a waste of cyber space.<<<<<<<<<<
Dear George,
It's a good thing that you simply think I'm nutty, because that won't
hold you from knowing your saviour and I think I'll survive a
declaration of nuttiness :o)
BTW, you didn't answer my question. Would believing in God make my
cake making skills any worse for knowing Him?
Sooner or later you will need to visit a dentist. You might forget
what I have said between now and then. However, you will have a lot to
reflect about things I have said and a long time to be silent whilst
you find out if his beliefs effect his ability to work in your mouth.
( call it association, what I've said will pop up into your memory )
Suffer not, not one second longer without Christ in your life. Such is
His love for you that He gives His salvation as soon as _you_ ask for
it.
2 commandments......... to love The lord God with all your heart,
mind, soul and strength, and to love your neighbour as yourself.
Beautifully and perfectly simple commandments, and yet the most
complex of all through a sinful veil. What a great cost He paid to
being you these commandments with nothing but love for you.
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
you have problems with reading comprehension.
Nonetheless, you remain in my prayers to my heavenly Father, dear George
whom I love.
May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that
you too will escape satan's rule and torment of your soul after you die.
Please do consider the following before it is too late:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/
**
Who is the humblest person in the universe?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048
What is all this about?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?R20632B48
Is this spam?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?N69721867
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
> "Becca" <be...@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
> news:10nkpet...@corp.supernews.com...
> > Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> >
> > > Don't forget that Jesus was healing folks
> >
> > Jesus is my pool cleaner, I had no idea he was so talented. He deserves
> > a raise.
> >
> > Becca (who does not believe everything she reads)
>
> Bravo, Becca
Bravo, Jesus !
> Dane
You will be in my prayers to my heavenly Father, dear Dane whom I love.
May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that
you too will escape satan's rule and torment of your soul after you die.
Please do consider the following before it is too late:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
I don't cross-stitch.
I cross-post :-)
> Crow
Thank you for this additional opportunity to spread His Word.
You will be in my prayers to my heavenly Father, dear neighbor whom I
Dane Metcalfe
well, here's another
bible errancy
http://members.aol.com/ckbloomfld/
Dane Metcalfe
"GaryG" <garyg@shasta_SPAMBEGONE_software.com> wrote in message
news:10nndju...@corp.supernews.com...
>
http://members.aol.com/ckbloomfld/
mythical jesus
http://web2.airmail.net/dsh440/Mythical_Jesus.html
I haven't read these yet
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
> "GaryG" <garyg@shasta_SPAMBEGONE_software.com> wrote in message
> news:10nndju...@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > "Dane Metcalfe" <quack_deala@ hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:417b5...@127.0.0.1...
> > >
> > > "Becca" <be...@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
> > > news:10nkpet...@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Don't forget that Jesus was healing folks
> > > >
> > > > Jesus is my pool cleaner, I had no idea he was so talented. He
> deserves
> > > > a raise.
> > > >
> > > > Becca (who does not believe everything she reads)
> > >
> > > The Skeptics Dictionary
> > >
> > > http://skepdic.com/
> > >
> > > Skeptical Views of Christianity and the Bible
> > >
> > > http://members.aol.com/JAlw/joseph_alward.html
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Great links, Dane! I was familiar with the first one, but not the second
> > one. Lots of good analysis and insights there. Thanks for posting.
> >
> > GG
> >
> >
>
> http://members.aol.com/ckbloomfld/
>
> mythical jesus
>
> http://web2.airmail.net/dsh440/Mythical_Jesus.html
>
> I haven't read these yet
Then why recommend them?
Instead, read the thread that starts with:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
> "Becca" <be...@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
> news:10noaaf...@corp.supernews.com...
> > Dane Metcalfe wrote:
> >
> > > Skeptical Views of Christianity and the Bible
> > >
> > > http://members.aol.com/JAlw/joseph_alward.html
> >
> > Thanks. It may take me forever to read all of this but I find it very
> > interesting.
> >
> > Becca
>
> well, here's another
> bible errancy
>
> http://members.aol.com/ckbloomfld/
>
These "errancies" have all been refuted in the thread that starts with:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Are you a blessing to your mother?
GaryG
news:417C3F...@heartmdphd.com...
> >
> > "Dane Metcalfe" <quack_deala@ hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:417b5...@127.0.0.1...
> > >
> > > "Becca" <be...@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
> > > news:10nkpet...@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Don't forget that Jesus was healing folks
> > > >
> > > > Jesus is my pool cleaner, I had no idea he was so talented. He
deserves
> > > > a raise.
> > > >
> > > > Becca (who does not believe everything she reads)
> > >
> > > The Skeptics Dictionary
> > >
> > > http://skepdic.com/
> > >
> > > Skeptical Views of Christianity and the Bible
> > >
> > > http://members.aol.com/JAlw/joseph_alward.html
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Great links, Dane! I was familiar with the first one, but not the
second
> > one. Lots of good analysis and insights there. Thanks for posting.
> >
> > GG
> >
>
> There is more truth in the Bible, Gary. Your time would have been
> better spent there.
>
Sorry my being openly non-Christian bothers you so.
Here's hoping you someday see the light, and give up your ancient myths and
superstitions.
GG
GaryG
Thanks! I've bookmarked them, and will read as time permits.
GG
Carol T
> My mother inspired me to invent a new word :<<<<<<
Dear Dane,
Your poor mother has added her veil before your own because of her
ignorance of the scriptures. Parents who do this realise the weight of
the mill stone they carry to their graves as they near their deaths
:o(
For children the Bible is full of love, hope peace and instruction for
them to love their parents unreservedly through their love of Christ.
A child who knows Christ's ways through scripture is obedient and
loving for their parents, and grow to have obedient and loving
children. No parent who knows scripture through Christ's word keeps
their child from Him, they have no greater standard by which to raise
their little ones. This is the truth, all other faiths measure God's
standard by human measure, Christ lived by it for us and died for it,
for us too.
"At that time the disciples came to Jesus, saying, "Who then is
greatest in the kingdom of heaven?" Then Jesus called a little child
to Him, set him in the midst of them, and said, "Assuredly, I say to
you, unless you are converted and become as little children, you will
by no means enter the kingdom of heaven. Therefore whoever humbles
himself as this little child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
Whoever receives one little child like this in My name receives Me.
"Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to sin, it
would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and
he were drowned in the depth of the sea. Woe to the world because of
offenses! For offenses must come, but woe to that man by whom the
offense comes! NKJV Matthew 18:1-7
It may not be your mother's fault that you did not know the scriptures
and teachings of Christ, but you have the chance to change that for
your children's sakes, and the sakes of others. If your mother is
still alive then teach her a great wisdom you have come to learn about
through the scriptures. But dig deeper into the sin of others and
justify your sin through her words and you will learn of the heaviness
in her heart.
Your Lord God loves you so much He has given you the avenues to find
His loving ways via His Son's teachings. Put Satan behind you and
don't get tricked into reading antichrist materials, and go forward in
'GOODNESS'. Do not even measure the goodness of other Christians, it
is only Christ's teachings you need to have your eyes set on.
God loves you Dane, more than your parents, more than your friends and
certainly more than the people who write 'antichrist' dittos because
they are dealing with their own denial of sin.
In the Bible you will find an explanation for the veil of sin through
reading scripture. Through Christ you can go to your mother and teach
her about a love for a child that surpasses all love and understanding
any parent can give.
Dane Metcalfe
> Dane Metcalfe wrote:
> >
> > "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
> > news:417B8E...@heartmdphd.com...
> <snip>
> > > Carl Jung is dead. Jesus Christ lives.
hmmm...but...I thought he..."died for our sins?"
Dane Metcalfe
> Dane Metcalfe wrote:
> >
> > "Becca" <be...@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
> > news:10noaaf...@corp.supernews.com...
> > > Dane Metcalfe wrote:
> > >
> > > > Skeptical Views of Christianity and the Bible
> > > >
> > > > http://members.aol.com/JAlw/joseph_alward.html
> > >
> > > Thanks. It may take me forever to read all of this but I find it very
> > > interesting.
> > >
> > > Becca
> >
> > well, here's another
> > bible errancy
> >
> > http://members.aol.com/ckbloomfld/
> >
>
> These "errancies" have all been refuted in the thread that starts with:
>
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
>
>
Ok, I"ll look at it. But, to tell you the truth, the Bible errancy
considerations is not something I've seriously looked at in my struggle to
find beliefs I'm comfortable with. It is much more troubling to me...well, I
tell you what. I will write you a post and lay it all out for you why I have
a problem accepting the packaged plan of the christian religion. Perhaps you
have the answers I'm looking for.
You are not by any chance the cardiologist who wrote To Hell and Back, are
you? I'm just curious, I read that book when it was first released, and felt
it was well presented. As a matter of fact, it had some impact upon me.
However, further studies would lead me to question (with an open mind) some
of the precepts given.
In the mean time, if you dig around a little here, maybe you can find
something useful to you
http://web2.iadfw.net/dsh440/site.html
> Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
>
> Andrew
>
> --
> Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Board-Certified Cardiologist
> http://www.heartmdphd.com/
>
> **
> Who is the humblest person in the universe?
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048
>
> What is all this about?
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?R20632B48
>
> Is this spam?
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?N69721867
None of my opinions are set in stone if I can help it
Dane
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Would be a sad waste of time.
> GG
You remain in my prayers, dear Gary whom I love.
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Doesn't bother me. Makes me sad though but I love you anyway.
> Here's hoping you someday see the light, and give up your ancient myths and
> superstitions.
Here's knowing that someday you will see the light when every knee shall
bend and every head will bow to Christ.
> GG
You remain in my prayers, dear Gary whom I love.
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Dane Metcalfe
"Carol T" <cteas...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:9bff2a56.04102...@posting.google.com...
in church.
Anyway, thank you for your thoughts,
Dane
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
> "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
> news:417C8B...@heartmdphd.com...
> > Dane Metcalfe wrote:
> > >
> > > "Becca" <be...@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
> > > news:10noaaf...@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > Dane Metcalfe wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Skeptical Views of Christianity and the Bible
> > > > >
> > > > > http://members.aol.com/JAlw/joseph_alward.html
> > > >
> > > > Thanks. It may take me forever to read all of this but I find it very
> > > > interesting.
> > > >
> > > > Becca
> > >
> > > well, here's another
> > > bible errancy
> > >
> > > http://members.aol.com/ckbloomfld/
> > >
> >
> > These "errancies" have all been refuted in the thread that starts with:
> >
> > http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
> >
> >
>
> Ok, I"ll look at it.
Good.
> But, to tell you the truth, the Bible errancy
> considerations is not something I've seriously looked at in my struggle to
> find beliefs I'm comfortable with. It is much more troubling to me...well, I
> tell you what. I will write you a post and lay it all out for you why I have
> a problem accepting the packaged plan of the christian religion.
Ok. I look forward to this.
> Perhaps you
> have the answers I'm looking for.
If it is God's will, He will provide the answers.
> You are not by any chance the cardiologist who wrote To Hell and Back, are
> you?
No. If I were to write a book with a similar title, it would be "To
Heaven and Back."
> I'm just curious, I read that book when it was first released, and felt
> it was well presented. As a matter of fact, it had some impact upon me.
> However, further studies would lead me to question (with an open mind) some
> of the precepts given.
>
> In the mean time, if you dig around a little here, maybe you can find
> something useful to you
>
> http://web2.iadfw.net/dsh440/site.html
Thanks for the link.
Fwiw, judgment by the imperfect leads to contradiction.
> > Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> > --
> > Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> > Board-Certified Cardiologist
> > http://www.heartmdphd.com/
> >
> > **
> > Who is the humblest person in the universe?
> > http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048
> >
> > What is all this about?
> > http://makeashorterlink.com/?R20632B48
> >
> > Is this spam?
> > http://makeashorterlink.com/?N69721867
>
> None of my opinions are set in stone if I can help it
Good.
I believe the only Person who should set things in stone is the One who
made the stone.
> Dane
You remain in my prayers, dear Dane whom I love.
GaryG
I'm sorry my being openly non-Christian makes you sad. With the billions of
non-Christians in the world, that must mean that you are sad a lot of the
time (which perhaps explains your persistent cross-posting of religious
drivel).
>
> > Here's hoping you someday see the light, and give up your ancient myths
and
> > superstitions.
>
> Here's knowing that someday you will see the light when every knee shall
> bend and every head will bow to Christ.
Won't happen, Andy.
> > GG
>
MU
>> Welcome. We *give* freely. How about offering *your* weight tracking
>> program, at no charge, to anyone who reads Usenet. Chung even gave the
>> 2PDiet away to the Governor of Georgia, no fee attached. Never has charged
>> a soul and neither have I.
>>
>> Whaddya say, GG?
On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:25:51 -0700, GaryG wrote:
> Sorry, dear MU. As
> such, I cannot afford to give it away for free.
Such a surprise.
> Do you have a job? If so, do you give away your time for free?
I give more time away than I collect on.
MU
> Well, just for the record, you are wrong in my case.
I got $10,000 that says that your claim that Chung=Mu is a lie and that you
are a liar and a libeler.
MU
> What
> bothers me is that on his account this group has turned to pure crap.
I am always amused by those that complain about OT and then post OT. I
really find you interesting.
Not.
MU
>> Don't know about that. Still waiting for you to give your program away as
>> freely as we give the 2PDiet.
>>
>> Whaddya say, GG?
On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:36:38 -0700, GaryG wrote:
> Well, dear MU,
I'm not "dear" to you. Why do you lie?
> there's an old saying in economics that, "You get what you
> pay for".
People who use cliches lead cliche driven lives. A new Mu saying.
> That said, my WeightWare program ( http://www.WeightWare.com ) can be
> downloaded from my website, and evaluated for free for 30 days. That's
> pretty fair, don't you think?
No, it's a "puppy dog" sale approach you are attempting, without success,
to hide your lack of charity.
Btw, your program is easily cracked.
MU
> Carol if this newsgroup was titled alt.religion.kooks.zealots I would
> have no problem at all.
>
> Unfortunately some of us here want some meanigful
> information/discussion about cardiology.
lol
MU
>> mythical jesus
>>
>> http://web2.airmail.net/dsh440/Mythical_Jesus.html
>>
>
> Thanks! I've bookmarked them, and will read as time permits.
>
> GG
Unlike you, I have read them since I read as much material that supports my
positions on matters as I do that does not support my positions.
Which explains why you are a non Christian who has no working knowledge of
the Bible.
MU
> No thanks. I understood it just fine the first time.
Just in case.
Crowfoot
hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Crowfoot" <suz...@swcp.com> wrote in message
> news:clfhef$j2j$9...@iruka.swcp.com...
> > In article <417A3B...@heartmdphd.com>, cardio...@heartmdphd.com
> > wrote:
> >
> > > George wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Carol if this newsgroup was titled alt.religion.kooks.zealots I
> > > > would
> > > > have no problem at all.
> > >
> > > Without Christ, your whole life is a problem.
> >
> > Only to you, dear. Please go tend to your knitting, and you'll feel
> > better.
> > --
> > Crow
>
> I'm liking you better all the time-your funny, too :)
> Dane
Thanks, ducks! In dark times humor is a welcome light, the more
precious for being a little harder to come by, doncha think? Happy to
oblige.
--
Crow
Carol T
> You musunderstood me. I apologise for that. I was raised up semi-regularly
> in church.<<<<<
Dear Dane,
Then the apology was mine to give, but my post will fall on the ears
of others and your witness becomes wise.
May God bless you and your family, and maybe you will be inclined to
continue your worship in Christ in a new light and walk now that you
are older. We find spiritual growth in fellowship when we become
adults :o)
Carol T
Bob (this one)
> Dane Metcalfe wrote:
>
>>"Becca" <be...@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
>>news:10noaaf...@corp.supernews.com...
>>
>>>Dane Metcalfe wrote:
>>>
>>>>Skeptical Views of Christianity and the Bible
>>>>
>>>>http://members.aol.com/JAlw/joseph_alward.html
>>>
>>>Thanks. It may take me forever to read all of this but I find it very
>>>interesting.
>>>
>>>Becca
>>
>>well, here's another
>>bible errancy
>>
>>http://members.aol.com/ckbloomfld/
>>
> These "errancies" have all been refuted in the thread that starts with:
>
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
As if...
Many are trifles and can be dismissed unless you entertain the
fanatical and untenable position of the fundamentalist wackos that
says everything is absolutely true and don't bother them with the
actual words.
Some are the results of cramming together books from different sources
with different viewpoints. And some are the result of revisionist
editions to make them conform to the then current thinking.
Withal, the book is the central document of western thinking and
western ethics and western morality, however badly observed.
Bob
Carey Gregory
>Carey Gregory <tiredof...@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<ekbjn0p1aps6krq5f...@4ax.com>...
>>
>> Well, just for the record, you are wrong in my case. I'm certainly not
>> bothered by Jesus' teachings, but I am bothered by you and the behavior you
>> call "being openly Christian."
>
>If, as you suggest, being openly Christian is
>rightly offensive,
I said nothing of the sort. Perhaps you'd like to read what I wrote again,
paying attention to the quotation marks this time. I did not say Andrew
Chung's behavior is openly Christian, I said he *calls* it openly Christian.
A person being openly Christian bothers me not in the least. However, a
person who constantly and intentionally makes off-topic posts, refuses to
stop when asked by other participants, invents nasty little sock puppets,
and refuses to practice basic netiquette *does* bother me. Andrew likes to
try and excuse his rude, abusive behavior by saying he's merely being
"openly Christian." He places the blame for his own rude, childish behavior
on those who object by implying they are anti-Christian bigots.
What he does is no different than preaching loudly in the middle of a movie,
and then labeling those who shush him as anti-Christian bigots.
Andrew Chung's behavior is anything but Christian. Indeed, it's the
antithesis of Christian behavior. Sorry Cleo, but Andrew's behavior is just
plain old newsgroup abuse with a healthy dose of hypocrisy and dishonesty
thrown in.
Rick
> I far prefer a society filled with
> Christians and Jews than one filled with thoroughly nasty, degenerate,
> literally shit-eating faggots who revel in their degeneracy than one
> in which an occasional Christian or Jew might turn their nose up at my
> sexual choices.
And just what exactly might those sexual choices be, snookums?
--
Rick
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Botox_Bi...@linkedto.themailcrypt.com (Cleopatra) wrote:
>
> >Carey Gregory <tiredof...@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<ekbjn0p1aps6krq5f...@4ax.com>...
> >>
> >> Well, just for the record, you are wrong in my case. I'm certainly not
> >> bothered by Jesus' teachings, but I am bothered by you and the behavior you
> >> call "being openly Christian."
> >
> >If, as you suggest, being openly Christian is
> >rightly offensive,
>
> I said nothing of the sort.
Actually, you did suggest it in what you wrote.
It remain my choice to walk with Christ and how my behavior is how He
would have me be.
Again, sorry my openly Christian behavior offends you.
You remain in my prayers, dear Carey whom I love, in Christ's holy
name.
May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so
that you too will escape satan's rule and torment of your soul after
you die.
Please do consider the following before it is too late:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?I22222129
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Carey Gregory
>Carey Gregory <tiredof...@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<hs6tn0959vfcv36hv...@4ax.com>...
>> Botox_Bi...@linkedto.themailcrypt.com (Cleopatra) wrote:
>>
>> >Carey Gregory <tiredof...@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<ekbjn0p1aps6krq5f...@4ax.com>...
>> >>
>> >> Well, just for the record, you are wrong in my case. I'm certainly not
>> >> bothered by Jesus' teachings, but I am bothered by you and the behavior you
>> >> call "being openly Christian."
>> >
>> >If, as you suggest, being openly Christian is
>> >rightly offensive,
>>
>> I said nothing of the sort.
>
>Actually, you did suggest it in what you wrote.
Then please pardon me for not being crystal clear. I try to write with
precision, but this is a conversational medium so I don't always spend the
time it takes.
I hope my follow-up clarified sufficiently, especially the parts you
snipped.
Rolando
> As a non-religious person, I far prefer a society filled with
> Christians and Jews than one filled with thoroughly nasty, degenerate,
> literally shit-eating faggots who revel in their degeneracy than one
> in which an occasional Christian or Jew might turn their nose up at my
> sexual choices.
I'm curious: where and when did you experience a society "filled with
thoroughly nasty, degenerate, literally shit-eating faggots who revel
in their degeneracy"?
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> nos...@heartmdphd.com (Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD) wrote:
>
> >Carey Gregory <tiredof...@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<hs6tn0959vfcv36hv...@4ax.com>...
> >> Botox_Bi...@linkedto.themailcrypt.com (Cleopatra) wrote:
> >>
> >> >Carey Gregory <tiredof...@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<ekbjn0p1aps6krq5f...@4ax.com>...
> >> >>
> >> >> Well, just for the record, you are wrong in my case. I'm certainly not
> >> >> bothered by Jesus' teachings, but I am bothered by you and the behavior you
> >> >> call "being openly Christian."
> >> >
> >> >If, as you suggest, being openly Christian is
> >> >rightly offensive,
> >>
> >> I said nothing of the sort.
> >
> >Actually, you did suggest it in what you wrote.
>
> Then please pardon me for not being crystal clear.
You owe your apologies to Cleopatra.
> I try to write with
> precision, but this is a conversational medium so I don't always spend the
> time it takes.
Try harder next time. Being truthful would make it easier for you.
Start by admitting you have no clue who are sock puppets.
> I hope my follow-up clarified sufficiently, especially the parts you
> snipped.
Your hope remains unfulfilled.
Nonetheless, I will continue to pray on your behalf, dear Carey whom I
love, in Christ's name.
Carey Gregory
>You owe your apologies to Cleopatra.
Nasty little homophobes with poor reading comprehension skills aren't
eligible for apologies.
>> I try to write with
>> precision, but this is a conversational medium so I don't always spend the
>> time it takes.
>
>Try harder next time.
Stuff it, Andy. You don't give orders here.
>Being truthful would make it easier for you.
>Start by admitting you have no clue who are sock puppets.
Probably not all of them, but yours are usually obvious. The jury's still
out on Cleopatra, but I must say "she" has that same nasty disposition so
typical of your sock puppets.
Crowfoot
Botox_Bi...@linkedto.themailcrypt.com (Cleopatra) wrote:
> Carey Gregory <tiredof...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:<ekbjn0p1aps6krq5f...@4ax.com>...
> > "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
> >
> > >Those who are bothered by my being openly Christian are also bothered
> > >by
> > >Jesus' teachings.
> >
> > Wow.... You actually equate acceptance of Andrew Chung with acceptance
> > of
> > Christ. "If you reject me, you reject Christ." That's what you just
> > said.
> >
> > Well, just for the record, you are wrong in my case. I'm certainly not
> > bothered by Jesus' teachings, but I am bothered by you and the behavior
> > you
> > call "being openly Christian."
>
> Too bad murderous Islam doesn't bother you hysterical
hysteri-who? Have you listened to the hectoring and whining of your
glorious leader lately? PMS is *nothing* to the foaming of Captain
Codpiece with the scent of defeat in his nostrils.
> liberals like
> Christianity does. If, as you suggest, being openly Christian is
> rightly offensive
Nope. Being openly offensive is offensive, whether you're claiming an
unctuous superiority through your self-proclaimed Christianity or your
purity as a devout follower of whatever your local Imam tells you your
religion requires of you, or . . . ah, snore; it's so obvious it doesn't
need repeating, as is Cleo's difficulty with reading what people write,
not an automatic propagandization of their words according to what Cleo
believes and what Cleo believes the writer believes.
--
Crow