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On May 29, 1:56=A0pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <disci...@T3WiJ.com>
wrote:
> Kumar wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote=
:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly w=
rote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldl=
y wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, b=
oldly wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > >https://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/065=
14ffd9c9e39dc?
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > Thanks.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > Laus Deo :-)
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > How such inflammation cause i=
nsulin resistance or persistent
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > hyperglycemia?
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > Self-destruction at the cellula=
r level.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > Sorry, It is not clear to me.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> The root word for inflammation is f=
lames.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> There are fires (i.e. Hell) happeni=
ng at the cellular level.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > Is it signaling the down regulati=
on of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > insulin receptors by inflammatory=
 cytokinnes?
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> Where there is a lot of smoke every=
where there is destructive fire
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> instead of someone doing some signa=
ling.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > How such self destruction at cellula=
r level cause hypeglycemia &
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > insulin resistance?
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Insulin resistance and hyperglycemia r=
epresent a breakdown in the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > control of blood sugar.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Just as a breakdown of the walls of a =
sugar factory would result in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > high levels of sugar on the ground, a =
breakdown of the body at the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > cellular level results in high levels =
of "sugar" in the blood.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > Is it valid for all type2 diabetics or o=
nly for those who get
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > unintentional weight loss?
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > Both insulin resistance and hyperglycemia =
are present in all type-2
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > diabetics.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > How this consideration of hyperglycemia due =
to cellular destruction is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > valid in type1 diabetics?
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Type-1 diabetics do not develop insulin resist=
ance until they acquire
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> VAT by overeating.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, Your cellular destruction resulting hype=
rglycemia & IR is bit
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > inconsistant to other research theories.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > That inflammation causes destruction at the cellu=
lar level is a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > commonplace observation and not a theory:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >http://www.nature.com/jid/journal/v127/n5/full/570=
0811a.html
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > Good article thanks.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Laus Deo :-)
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > Though I felt it:-
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > "Though I am not qualified person but still I could=
 note that:-
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Can compromised healing of scar formation (esp. =
small wounds) be
> > > > > > > > > > > > due to anti-inflammatory & antimicrobials use? Pers=
onally I noted that
> > > > > > > > > > > > untreated small wounds heal without scar formation.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Destruction caused by inflammation at the cellular le=
vel resulting in
> > > > > > > > > > > insulin resistance and hyperglycemia is not visible t=
o the naked eye.
>
> > > > > > > > > > Yes but when no apparent weight loss is noted, how can =
we say that
> > > > > > > > > > mass cellular destruction is there?
>
> > > > > > > > > That which is broken is not less in mass/weight.
>
> > > > > > > > Then, shouldn't it show mass weight loos?
>
> > > > > > > Again, that which has been broken (i.e. rendered dysfunctiona=
l) is not
> > > > > > > less in mass/weight.
>
> > > > > > How then it is cellular destruction?
>
> > > > > Destruction at the cellular level renders the body dysfunctional =
(i.e.
> > > > > insulin resistance and hyperglycemia).
>
> > > > Do you mean cellular destruction(death) or just cellular functional
> > > > destruction?
>
> > > Destruction at the cellular level by inflammation is like destruction
> > > of the contents of a house by flames. Damaged contents have been
> > > rendered either dysfunctional or non-functional.
>
> > Ok. What type of this damage is there relevant to diabetes?
>
> Smarter to put out the flames instead of surveying the damage.
Whether anitiinflammatory agents are beneficial to diabetics type2?
> Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
> diabetics and other heart disease patients:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
>
> ...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> EmoryIMVC.org Cardiologist
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