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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Feb 17, 2009, 9:03:25 PM2/17/09
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"Prague - An Austrian pharmaceutical firm sent a flu vaccine, which it
had accidentally contaminated with the deadly H5N1 bird flu virus, for
testing in the Czech Republic, a report said Tuesday. The Austrian
firm Baxter said it contaminated the vaccine with the dangerous virus
by accident, likely during packaging in Austria, the Mlada Fronta Dnes
daily reported, citing Baxter's representative.

Baxter shipped the infected vaccine to the Czech biomedical firm
Biotest for testing on ferrets in late January.

None of Biotest's 13 employees, who had been exposed to the highly
pathogenic virus for a week, contracted the disease.

According to the World Health Organization figures, the bird flu has
killed 254 people, mostly in Asia and Africa, including four deaths
reported in Turkey.

The Czech Republic's chief epidemiologist Michael Vit said that it was
unclear whether the Biotest workers had been under a high risk of
infection as the Czech authorities did not know how much virus the
vaccine contained.

Officials, however, hinted that the situation could have been serious.
"Thank God it did not spread," Vit said.

The Czech company managed to prevent the virus from spreading outside
the lab to poultry breeds, which would have had to be culled in such
an event.

"If it were to spread to poultry farms it would have caused serious
problems," said Josef Duben, a spokesman for the Czech State
Veterinary Administration.

The exposed employees were given Tamiflu medicine and have been
regularly tested, Vit said.

The infected ferrets had to be culled and the laboratory, which is
located 70 kilometres east of the Czech capital Prague, was
disinfected."

Source:

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/256152,austrian-firm-sent-deadly-vaccine-for-testing-in-czech-republic.html

or

http://tinyurl.com/cydp6j

Bottom line:

"Thank God it did not spread." -- Michael Vit (Czech Republic's Chief
Epidemiologist)

What we are teaching to prepare folks for the eventuality of a
catastrophic Pan-Flu:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfmkax1wbRU

How to not be fearful:

Trust the truth, Who is Jesus !!!

http://T3WiJ.com

May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
2009th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our Messiah,
the Son of Man ...

... by being hungrier:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?

Hunger is wonderful ! ! !

It's how we know the answer to the question "What does Jesus
want?" (WDJW):

http://WDJW.net

Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/52a3db8576495806?

"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...

... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)

Amen.

Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of
promoting much greater understanding:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?

Jesus is LORD, forever !!!

http://JiL4ever.net

Be hungrier, which is truly healthier:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/991d4e30704307e7?

Marana tha

Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,

Andrew <><
--
"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
12:3)

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?

What does Jesus want (WDJW) ?

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/11194899724b810d?

paris...@gmail.com

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Feb 17, 2009, 9:51:50 PM2/17/09
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On Feb 17, 6:03 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com>
wrote:
> http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/256152,austrian-firm-sent-dea...

Bottom line:
"It didn't spread." Idiot.

Anon

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Feb 17, 2009, 11:50:42 PM2/17/09
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Any "god" which would do that is more evil than good.

bob young

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Feb 18, 2009, 12:22:01 AM2/18/09
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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote:

> "Prague - An Austrian pharmaceutical firm sent a flu vaccine, which it
> had accidentally contaminated with the deadly H5N1 bird flu virus, for
> testing in the Czech Republic, a report said Tuesday. The Austrian
> firm Baxter said it contaminated the vaccine with the dangerous virus
> by accident, likely during packaging in Austria, the Mlada Fronta Dnes
> daily reported, citing Baxter's representative.

Yes I remember reading all about this in the Bible

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Feb 18, 2009, 3:43:00 AM2/18/09
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http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/518c33efe51560d7?

<><

"The lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision is from the
LORD." (Proverbs 16:33)

Amen.

Nothing happens by chance because everything happens only as GOD
allows it (Ecclesiastes 9:11):

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21527d1832960109?

Sign that GOD can unleash an H5N1 Pandemic (Pan-Flu) at any time to
wipe out all humans:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d61c85f2e2af3a7d?

Don Kirkman

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Feb 18, 2009, 2:43:43 PM2/18/09
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It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
article
<e74e5997-2160-4021...@m42g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>:

>"Prague - An Austrian pharmaceutical firm sent a flu vaccine, which it
>had accidentally contaminated with the deadly H5N1 bird flu virus, for
>testing in the Czech Republic, a report said Tuesday. The Austrian
>firm Baxter said it contaminated the vaccine with the dangerous virus
>by accident, likely during packaging in Austria, the Mlada Fronta Dnes
>daily reported, citing Baxter's representative.
>
>Baxter shipped the infected vaccine to the Czech biomedical firm
>Biotest for testing on ferrets in late January.

>Officials, however, hinted that the situation could have been serious.


>"Thank God it did not spread," Vit said.

Yes, it could have affected the Czech poultry industry, as is clear:

>The Czech company managed to prevent the virus from spreading outside
>the lab to poultry breeds, which would have had to be culled in such
>an event.
>
>"If it were to spread to poultry farms it would have caused serious
>problems," said Josef Duben, a spokesman for the Czech State
>Veterinary Administration.

No obvious concern about spreading to humans.

>The exposed employees were given Tamiflu medicine and have been
>regularly tested, Vit said.

>The infected ferrets had to be culled and the laboratory, which is
>located 70 kilometres east of the Czech capital Prague, was
>disinfected."

>Source:

>http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/256152,austrian-firm-sent-deadly-vaccine-for-testing-in-czech-republic.html

>or

>http://tinyurl.com/cydp6j
>
>Bottom line:

>"Thank God it did not spread." -- Michael Vit (Czech Republic's Chief
>Epidemiologist)

Yes, it saved the lives of a lot of poultry, which has nothing to do
with:

>What we are teaching to prepare folks for the eventuality of a
>catastrophic Pan-Flu:

--
Don Kirkman
don...@charter.net

Cary Kittrell

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Feb 18, 2009, 3:56:19 PM2/18/09
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Now, now now...would you deny our Andrew the simple pleasure of
fantasizing about global carnage and worldwide misery? I mean, the
Seals seem to have gotten stuck, Tehran still stands, the earth's
atmosphere has hardly caught fire much at all -- no one's even
died because Andy ceased praying for them. What's a poor
mortiphiliac to do?


-- cary

> --
> Don Kirkman
> don...@charter.net


Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Feb 18, 2009, 7:47:24 PM2/18/09
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convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:

> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> >"Prague - An Austrian pharmaceutical firm sent a flu vaccine, which it
> >had accidentally contaminated with the deadly H5N1 bird flu virus, for
> >testing in the Czech Republic, a report said Tuesday. The Austrian
> >firm Baxter said it contaminated the vaccine with the dangerous virus
> >by accident, likely during packaging in Austria, the Mlada Fronta Dnes
> >daily reported, citing Baxter's representative.
> >
> >Baxter shipped the infected vaccine to the Czech biomedical firm
> >Biotest for testing on ferrets in late January.
>
> >Officials, however, hinted that the situation could have been serious.
> >"Thank God it did not spread," Vit said.
>
> Yes, it could have affected the Czech poultry industry ...

Ferrets are not poultry.

Human vaccines comprising of attenuated strains of human influenza
viruses are tested in ferrets by human pharmaceutical companies like
Baxter.

What was happening in the ferrets was a genetic mixing of the
segmented genomes of H5N1 with attenuated human influenza viruses so
that new viruses were arising from the ferrets that would have had the
pathogenicity of H5N1 along with the ability to readily spread from
human to human (i.e. viruses able to start a human pandemic!!!).

This is why...

> >The exposed employees were given Tamiflu medicine and have been
> >regularly tested, Vit said.

Source:

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/256152,austrian-firm-sent-dea...

or

http://tinyurl.com/cydp6j

Bottom line:

"Thank God it did not spread." -- Michael Vit (Czech Republic's Chief
Epidemiologist)

"The lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision is from the
LORD." (Proverbs 16:33)

Amen.

A Spirit-guided exegesis of Proverbs 16:33 ...

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4e9ca99694abefee?

Nothing happens by chance because everything happens only as GOD
allows it (Ecclesiastes 9:11):

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21527d1832960109?

Sign that GOD can easily unleash an H5N1 Pandemic (Pan-Flu) at any
time:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d61c85f2e2af3a7d?

What we are teaching to prepare folks for the eventuality of a
catastrophic Pan-Flu:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfmkax1wbRU

How to not be fearful:

Trust the truth, Who is Jesus !!!

http://T3WiJ.com

May you and other dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a

Anon

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Feb 18, 2009, 11:48:53 PM2/18/09
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In article
<1accb9d5-5af5-4008...@d32g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>,

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote:

> How to not be fearful:
>

Trust the truth, Who is Buddha !!!

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Feb 19, 2009, 1:08:20 AM2/19/09
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http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/518c33efe51560d7?

<><

"The lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision is from the
LORD." (Proverbs 16:33)

Amen.

A Spirit-guided exegesis of Proverbs 16:33 ...

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4e9ca99694abefee?

Nothing happens by chance because everything happens only as GOD
allows it (Ecclesiastes 9:11):

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21527d1832960109?

Sign that GOD can easily unleash an H5N1 Pandemic (Pan-Flu) at any
time:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a4581567229974c0?

What we are teaching to prepare folks for the eventuality of a
catastrophic Pan-Flu:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfmkax1wbRU

How to not be fearful:

Trust the truth, Who is Jesus !!!

http://T3WiJ.com

May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful

Don Kirkman

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Feb 19, 2009, 2:15:55 AM2/19/09
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It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
article
<1accb9d5-5af5-4008...@d32g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>:

>convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:

>> >"Prague - An Austrian pharmaceutical firm sent a flu vaccine, which it
>> >had accidentally contaminated with the deadly H5N1 bird flu virus, for
>> >testing in the Czech Republic, a report said Tuesday. The Austrian
>> >firm Baxter said it contaminated the vaccine with the dangerous virus
>> >by accident, likely during packaging in Austria, the Mlada Fronta Dnes
>> >daily reported, citing Baxter's representative.

>> >Baxter shipped the infected vaccine to the Czech biomedical firm
>> >Biotest for testing on ferrets in late January.

>> >Officials, however, hinted that the situation could have been serious.
>> >"Thank God it did not spread," Vit said.

>> Yes, it could have affected the Czech poultry industry ...

>Ferrets are not poultry.

Nobody suggested they are. Perhaps you weren't aware that many people
know what ferrets are.

The vaccine had already harmed the ferrets--they were culled out
("culled" in this case means "killed", to put it scientifically).

>Human vaccines comprising of attenuated strains of human influenza
>viruses are tested in ferrets by human pharmaceutical companies like
>Baxter.

Interesting, but not news and only incidentally relevant to the matter
at hand. How are they tested by non-human pharmaceutical companies?

>What was happening in the ferrets was a genetic mixing of the
>segmented genomes of H5N1 with attenuated human influenza viruses so
>that new viruses were arising from the ferrets that would have had the
>pathogenicity of H5N1 along with the ability to readily spread from
>human to human (i.e. viruses able to start a human pandemic!!!).

Did the Holy Spirit tell you this? It doesn't seem to have been
mentioned in the article you cited.

>This is why...

>> >The exposed employees were given Tamiflu medicine and have been
>> >regularly tested, Vit said.

Vit did not say "this is why;" he only said that they were treated
with Tamiflu.

>Source:

>http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/256152,austrian-firm-sent-dea...

>http://tinyurl.com/cydp6j

>Bottom line:
>
>"Thank God it did not spread." -- Michael Vit (Czech Republic's Chief
>Epidemiologist)

True, according to the article. He probably said it in his own
language, though the sentiment is popular all over the world.

>"The lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision is from the
>LORD." (Proverbs 16:33)

There was no casting of lots to decide whether to cull the flocks and
ferrets, treat the workers with Tamiflu, or warn governments and
health workers of the incident.
--
Don Kirkman
don...@charter.net

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Feb 19, 2009, 4:47:11 AM2/19/09
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convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> >> >"Prague - An Austrian pharmaceutical firm sent a flu vaccine, which it
> >> >had accidentally contaminated with the deadly H5N1 bird flu virus, for
> >> >testing in the Czech Republic, a report said Tuesday. The Austrian
> >> >firm Baxter said it contaminated the vaccine with the dangerous virus
> >> >by accident, likely during packaging in Austria, the Mlada Fronta Dnes
> >> >daily reported, citing Baxter's representative.
>
> >> >Baxter shipped the infected vaccine to the Czech biomedical firm
> >> >Biotest for testing on ferrets in late January.
>
> >> >Officials, however, hinted that the situation could have been serious.
> >> >"Thank God it did not spread," Vit said.
>
> >> Yes, it could have affected the Czech **poultry** industry ...

**emphasis** added.

> >Ferrets are not poultry.
>
> Nobody suggested they are.

See **emphasis** above.

> Perhaps you weren't aware that many people
> know what ferrets are.

See **emphasis** above.

> The vaccine had already harmed the ferrets--they were culled out
> ("culled" in this case means "killed", to put it scientifically).

The sick ferrets needed to be killed because they were likely
generating airborne influenza virus that had the ability to infect
humans readily.

Thankfully, the human handlers of the ferrets were given Tamiflu
(oseltamivir) else we might presently already be in the middle of a
human H5N1 pandemic.

"The lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision is from the
LORD." (Proverbs 16:33)

Amen.

A Spirit-guided exegesis of Proverbs 16:33 ...

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4e9ca99694abefee?

Nothing happens by chance because everything happens only as GOD
allows it (Ecclesiastes 9:11):

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21527d1832960109?

Sign that GOD can easily unleash an H5N1 Pandemic (Pan-Flu) at any
time:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a4581567229974c0?

Anon

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Feb 19, 2009, 3:59:09 PM2/19/09
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Anubis, Hera or was it the God of the
Pharisees, the God of the Pharaohs, the God of the Druids or the Gods of
Ug
the ancient pantheistic pagan? Perhaps it was me?

dolf

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Feb 19, 2009, 8:19:14 PM2/19/09
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I used that www-page as a reference on Bill Feuerer ("the Dolt")

And mention the 'Mental Block' on 2009.2.18 in a discussion tread 'The
Truth Behind Lev 18:22" in newsgroups: alt.bible,
alt.christnet.christianlife, alt.religion.christian,
alt.religion.christian.baptist, aus.religion.christian

As comment which was applied to me just the other day--wherein I falsely
was accused: "Much like the Dolt, aren't you...twist reality to sooth
your senses...

Correct yourself.. "

- dolf

Rod <firefl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> dolf wrote:
>> This statement by you is delusional: "Guess what....you are dead
wrong....I've had it proven to me, and I'm satisfied."
>
> You being unable to believe that God exists, and your inability to
> accept that evidence has been provided to someone is not proof
> that they suffer from delusion, but it is evidence that you have
> mental block that has probably functioned equally bad in other life
> situations, relegating you to social outcast status, more or less as
> you seem to be at the moment !
>
>
>>
>> This statement by you is untrue: "You don't know enough to claim
anything is a delusional."
>
> In the context in which I used it, it is indeed true. You know NADA
> about my experience or me to make such a judgment, but egotistical,
> inflated egos such as you have do tend to boast about things of
> which they are not in a position to know anything about...and this
> is you Dolf.
>
>
>
>>
>> And that is why your resort to ad hominem projections as questions:
"Another KOOKsuit ?? Where do you guys come from, anyway ? Are you
trying for the "Steve Winter" kooksuit award of 2009?"
>
> Are ya ?
>
>
>>
>> There will be no satisfactory proof coming from you--Are you feeling
left behind?
>
> What do you desire proof of Dolf ?
>

Rod wrote:
> bushlyed wrote:
>> On Feb 16, 7:35 pm, Rod <firefly200...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> Their is no real god.
>>> Guess what....you are dead wrong....I've had it proven to me,
>>> and I'm satisfied.
>>
>>
>> You are too easily satisfied it would appear
>
> Judging me by your standards ?
>
>
>
>>
>> You have had it proven to you? How?
>
> And what is that to you ? I'm the one that had
> to be satisfied. It was a gift to me, not you.
> If you want to know then seek God out for yourself.

In those early days of American bouldering, only a few took the sport
seriously enough to spend considerable time at it. We thought a problem
to be of bouldering quality if it seemed harder than what we had climbed
with ropes and pitons and took a number of tries to do. However, the
idea of working for weeks or months on a single move or short set of
moves seemed - at that time - a bit pathological. Exploration was a big
part of the sport then. If I couldn't do a problem on the first or
(rarely) second visit, I usually moved on to other new climbs.
Consequently, many of my “classic” problems are only moderately
difficult. For instance, I did the three popular basic routes on the
Mental Block at Horsetooth one cold, wintry afternoon in 1967, including
the Pinch Overhang , seen here on the FA. I'm wearing the old RD's.

Personally, I felt that the elegance of one's performance counted
equally as much as the difficulty of the problem. If you are a young
boulderer, does this make any sense to you? If I couldn't do a route
gracefully I didn't think of it as being properly done. If I were to
climb two problems, one moderately difficult done smoothly, and the
other more difficult done desperately, I would value the former over the
latter. I rarely put a premium on doing a problem the first attempt,
although others sometimes disagreed. I thought it more important to make
an ascent smoothly if I could, and sometimes this meant playing around
on the holds a bit before I got serious. In my book gracefulness trumped
number of tries - or even efficiency - which put me at odds with the
movement towards more measurable or formal competition. A movement that
ultimately prevailed.

We may have had more of a sense of humor in those long-ago days before
ratings and rankings took hold. No-hands problems were fairly popular,
and one-arm problems were not unknown. Here is a photo from the early
1960s of the late Bill Feuerer ("the Dolt") as he won a contest to see
who could carry the largest rock up Boulder One at Stoney Point !
(courtesy B.Kamps). And here Michael Fain uses his engineering instincts
to get up a slippery problem at Devils Lake in the mid 1950s!


No One wrote:
> dolf <dolf...@hotmail.com> writes:
>
>> No One <no...@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote:
>>> clanker <fl...@dingdong.net> writes:
>>>
>>>> Krudd the Dud wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 23:32:27 -0800 (PST),
>>>>> true.bl...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>>>> Dolt cannot explain anything at all,
>>>> Hmmm....is 'The Dol[f]' some demented robotic answering machine ?
>>> "The Dolt" was the nickname <snip>
>
>>> http://www128.pair.com/r3d4k7/HomePage5.html
>
> Hey, that URL wasn't in the post you replied to.
>
> <snip>

No One <no...@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote:
> clanker <fl...@dingdong.net> writes:
>
>> Krudd the Dud wrote:
>>> On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 23:32:27 -0800 (PST), true.bl...@gmail.com
wrote:
>>>
>>> Dolt cannot explain anything at all,
>> Hmmm....is 'The Dol[f]' some demented robotic answering machine ?
>
> "The Dolt" was the nickname of a climber named Bill Feuerer who came
> up with the infamous Dolt cart - a thing with bicycle wheels used as a
> haul bag, with mixed success on the first ascent of the Nose (it would
> tip over frequently enough to be more trouble than it was worth). One
> Dolt story I read was about the time he got up to a belay, clipped in
> wrong, and fell 150 feet to the end of the rope (150 feet because it
> was before 50 meter ropes became common, much less 60 meter ones).
> Another story had some guy in the party say "God damn this climb" and
> Feuerer replied, "I will consider it."
>
> http://www128.pair.com/r3d4k7/HomePage5.html
>

XXIV. "For, says he, the enemy said, 'I will pursue and take captive.'
Who, then, could be a more determined enemy to the soul than he who out
of arrogance appropriates the especial attributes of the Deity to
himself? Now it is an especial attribute of God to create, and this
faculty it is impious to ascribe to any created being."

"But the special property of the created being is to suffer; and he who
has previously considered how akin to and inevitable for man this is,
will easily endure everything that befalls him, however grievous it may
be. But if he thinks that it is inconsistent with his destiny, then, IF
HE BE OPPRESSED WITH ANY VERY TERRIBLE CALAMITY, HE WILL SUFFER THE
PUNISHMENT OF SISYPHUS {

ie. According to Homer, a man sentenced to the dreadful punishment of
futile and hopeless labor to push a large boulder which would roll back
under its own weight

}, not being able to raise his head, not even ever so little, but being
exposed to all sorts of evils coming pon him and over-whelming him, and
meeting them all with sub-mission and no-resistance, the passions of a
degenerate and unmanly soul; for he ought rather to have endured with
patience; still, however, resisting and striving against calamity,
strengthening his mind, and raising a bulwark against sorrow by his own
patience and fortitude, which are the most powerful of virtues."

"For as to be shaved is an operation of a twofold nature, as in the one
case the creature shaved is either the active agent and the passive
subject; and in the other case, he does nothing but yield and submit to
the barber: for a sheep is shorn either of his whole hide, or of that
which is called the pillow; doing nothing of itself, but only suffering
at the hands of another. But man co-operates with the barber, and puts
himself in the proper attitude, and makes himself convenient, mingling
the characters of the subject and the agent."

"So also in the case of beating, that may happen either to a servant who
has committed offences worthy of stripes, or to a freeman who is
stretched on the wheel as a punishment for wickedness, or to some
inanimate thing; for stones and trees are beaten, and gold and silver,
and whatever material is wrought in a forge, or is cut in two."

"And the servants and officers stood there, who had made a fire of
coals; for it was cold: and they warmed themselves: and Peter {a rock or
stone} stood with them, and warmed himself.

The high priest then asked Jesus {savior; deliverer} of his disciples,
and of his doctrine. Jesus answered him, I spake openly to the world; I
ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always
resort; and in secret have I said nothing. Why askest thou me? ask them
which heard me, what I have said unto them: behold, they know what I
said. And when he had thus spoken, one of the officers which stood by
struck Jesus with the palm of his hand, saying, Answerest thou the high
priest so? Jesus answered him, If I have spoken evil, bear witness of
the evil: but if well, why smitest thou me? Now Annas {one who answers;
humble} had sent him bound unto Caiaphas {he that seeks with diligence;
one that vomits} the high priest." [John 18:18-25]

"And to be beaten, also happens to athletes who contend in boxing, or in
the pancratium {At Rome the pancratium is first mentioned in the games
which Emperor Caligula gave to the people and with whom Philo Judaeus of
Alexandria in 38CE met--"The occasion gave equal privileges & communites
to all men, so that the [Golden] Age of Saturn which is so celebrated by
the poets was no longer looked upon as a fiction and a fable--the
universal prosperity which reigned everywhere throughout the whole
peoples, lasted continually without interruption during the first seven
months [of Emperor Caligula's short reign 37-41CE]" [Philo of
Alexander's On Embassy to Gaius (Emperor Caligula), 13]} for victory and
crowns. The boxer parries blows which are aimed at him with one of his
hands, and stooping his neck on this side and on that side, guards
against being struck; and very often he stands on tiptoe, and raises
himself as high as he can, or else he stoops and contracts himself on
the other hand, and compels his antagonist to waste his blows on the
empty air, very nearly as if he were fighting a shadow.

But the servant of the brass, doing nothing in return, is subjected to
the will of the other party, suffering at his hands whatever he
pleases:..." [Philo Judaeus of Alexandria (20BCE-50CE), On Cherubim 77
to 81]

true.bl...@gmail.com answered: "We'd have shot him: Aussies can
spot a demented loon a mile off."

In response to the Question: "How would Roman Catholics, who now
represent some 50% [Anglicans and Roman Catholic] of the Australian
>population, and given the 20 July 1933 concordat between the city
Church State and the German Reich--have greeted Hitler if he came upon
our shores?"

And that by equivalent attribution as you describe Hitler as a "demented
loon", you speak of me in this manner: "Nowhere in there does it say I
can't call you a demented loon."

true.bl...@gmail.com then answered: "Dolt may have a very sick mind
due to tertiary syphilis, as does his mate Sir Jape E Turdcard.

The production of reams of drivel and threats to internet characters is
common to both these loonies. Annoying people is their only form of
amusement.

This individual true.bl...@gmail.com claims, "I'm teasing you."

Australia is a Dutch possession colonised by the British according to
principle and the peoples are unprincipled!

With respects to Intellectual Property held by me as substantiation of
religious belief by a semiotic {cf: semite (jews), semi as equinox half}
cosmological absolute as analogy to the anthropic cosmological
principle. As the source of language (Hebrew), its derivatives such as
number, is a claim to sovereign autonomous identity as religious /
imperial governance. That I will not, subject myself to your arrogance
and prostitute [cf: Revelation 17:13-15] this knowledge by making a
submission to this enquiry.

22/7 as 3W1D ... {Formula of Progression of individual phenomena}

the major premise {YANG/FATHER/HEAVEN/MALE/FORM - Formula of Universal
Law}, which contains the law of that will: 7 x 24 x 13 = 2184 days of
the 'oth cycle = 6D or 6 x 364 associated to the 'constant sequence of
sun and moon' as 354 x 3 + 30 day intercalation = 1092 days x 2 = 2184 days

the minor premise {YIN/MOTHER/EARTH/FEMALE/MATTER - Formula of Humanity
- HEAD OF STATE}, which contains the command to behave in accordance
with the law, that is, the principle of subsumption under the law: x 49
= 6J or 294 x 364 days or 365.2425 x 293 years - Vernal Equinox
Wednesday 20 March 1996 / 21 March = 1 Nisan 5756; and

the conclusion {ZHUN/SON/SEA/ENUMERATE/OFFSPRING - Formula of Autonomy},
which contains the verdict (sentence), that is laid down as right in the
case at hand: ... 6,000 topical years as Telos ('achariyth as 122J3W1D)
= Arch (re'shiyth as 3W1D) + c² [9(9²+1)/2] has #369 with Septet #41
centric on 13-17 September 2001 / 18 September = 1 Tishri 5762.

We are talking about the Letters Patent being a semiotic statement,
which draws its principles of law, functions and powers of governance,
with respect to that sovereign autonomy as notion of the Commonwealth,
from Nature: "And whereas We did on the 17th day of September, 1900, by
and with the advice of Our Privy Council declare by proclamation that,
on and after the 1st day of January, 1901, the people of New South
Wales, Victoria, South Australia, Queensland, and Tasmania and also
Western Australia, should be united in a Federal Commonwealth of
Australia: And whereas by the said recited Act certain powers,
functions, and authorities were declared to be vested in the Governor
General."

Your life, and your acts ought to be so in accord with Nature as to
recognize such a principle of morality being something other than
sensually driven by animalistic amorality and atheistic materialism and
not "according to the several powers and authorities granted or
appointed [the Governor General or the Lieutenant Governor General] by
virtue of 'The Commonweath of Australia Constitution Act, 1900', and of
these present Letters Patent ... and to such laws as shall hereafter be
in force in Our said Commonwealth."

Under your obligations under Section 8 to the Letters Patent of 1900 to
the Australian Commonwealth 1901 what is the full name of the individual
true.bl...@gmail.com?

If you do not answer the question, you will be executed.

- dolf
- <http://www.grapple.id.au/Chronicles/germination.html>

true.bl...@gmail.com wrote:
> dolf wrote:
>
>> You said, "OK, so we're agreed - Section VIII of the Letters Patent has
>> no relevance nor bearing on the way we conduct our lives."
>>
>> We are talking about the Letters Patent being a semiotic statement,
>
> No we aren't. That's a post-facto construct you are imposing on it.
>
>> which draws its principles of law, functions and powers of governance,
>> with respect to that sovereign autonomy as notion of the Commonwealth,
>> from Nature.
>
> No it doesn't, it gets those from human civilisation, not nature.
>
>> Your life, and your acts ought to be so in accord with Nature as to
>> recognize such a principle of morality being something other than
>> sensually driven by animalistic amorality and atheistic materialism!
>
> Nature has no morality. Morality is a social construct.
>
> As proven already, theism is associated with higher rates of murder,
> abortion, teen pregnancy, early mortality and syphilis:
>
> "“In general, higher rates of belief in and worship of a creator
> correlate with higher rates of homicide, juvenile and early adult
> mortality, STD infection rates, teen pregnancy, and abortion … None of
> the strongly secularized, pro-evolution democracies is experiencing
> high levels of measurable dysfunction.” Within the United States “the
> strongly theistic, anti-evolution South and Midwest” have “markedly
> worse homicide, mortality, STD, youth pregnancy, marital and related
> problems than the Northeast where … secularization, and acceptance of
> evolution approach European norms”."
>
http://www.monbiot.com/archives/2005/10/11/better-off-without-him/#more-954
>
>> dolf wrote:
>>> true.bl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Yes, I knew you'd pick that up - I'm teasing you.
>>>>
>>>> It didn't occur to me to respond with anything rational as your
>>>> gibberish about Adolf Hitler was irrational non-sense to begin with.
>>>>
>>>> Section VIII says I have to obey the Governor General.
>>>>
>>>> Are you the Governor General?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <SNIP reams of it>
>>> The Letters Patent within its cosmology of governance as presents,
>>> mention from time to time--why not all time and infinite space?
>>>
>>> And whereas We did on the 17th day of September, 1900, by and with the
>>> advice of Our Privy Council declare by proclamation that, on and after
>>> the 1st day of January, 1901, the people of New South Wales, Victoria,
>>> South Australia, Queensland, and Tasmania and also Western Australia,
>>> should be united in a Federal Commonwealth of Australia: And whereas by
>>> the said recited Act certain powers, functions, and authorities were
>>> declared to be vested in the Governor General: `
>>>
>>> 22/7 as 3W1D ... {Formula of Progression of individual phenomena}
>>>
>>> the major premise {YANG/FATHER/HEAVEN/MALE/FORM - Formula of Universal
>>> Law}, which contains the law of that will: 7 x 24 x 13 = 2184 days of
>>> the 'oth cycle = 6D or 6 x 364 associated to the 'constant sequence of
>>> sun and moon' as 354 x 3 + 30 day intercalation = 1092 days x 2 =
2184 days
>>>
>>> the minor premise {YIN/MOTHER/EARTH/FEMALE/MATTER - Formula of
>>> Humanity - HEAD OF STATE}, which contains the command to behave in
>>> accordance with the law, that is, the principle of subsumption
under the
>>> law: x 49 = 6J or 294 x 364 days or 365.2425 x 293 years - Vernal
>>> Equinox Wednesday 20 March 1996 / 21 March = 1 Nisan 5756; and
>>>
>>> the conclusion {ZHUN/SON/SEA/ENUMERATE/OFFSPRING - Formula of
Autonomy},
>>> which contains the verdict (sentence), that is laid down as right
in the
>>> case at hand: ... 6,000 topical years as Telos ('achariyth as 122J3W1D)
>>> = Arch (re'shiyth as 3W1D) + c� [9(9�+1)/2] has #369 with
Septet #41
>>> centric on 13-17 September 2001 / 18 September = 1 Tishri 5762.
>>>
>>> For Kant in the Critique of Pure Reason, understanding is not only that
>>> which determines what is given and is determinable in intuition--is not
>>> only determinative in the sense of being at the service of
>>> intuition--but also determinate in the manner of the dominant
element of
>>> cognition. But cognition is cognition of what is extant, of nature, of
>>> things, of the manifold of individual items which are manifest to us in
>>> their general existence.
>>>
>>> However it does appear as 'Deus ex machinas', to have been an invention
>>> of the 1st century CE.
>>>
>>> And the date 16 January with the #330 sacred name element in
conjunction
>>> with the topical year appears to provide a necessary zero point #0 to
>>> #2000 CE with respects to "'equilibrium and balance' which is concerned
>>> with a harmony that results from the analogy of contraries, being also
>>> related to the dead centre #41 where as point within the circle, "the
>>> opposition of opposing forces being equal in strength, rest and
succeeds
>>> motion'": #15 ... #34 ... #65 ... #111 ... #175 ... #260 ... #369 ...
>>> #2000 Y2K
>>>
>>> 11 Sept 2001 + 'OTH Cycle (#2184 days) + #500 = 16 January 2009
>>>
>>> Yet the 'oth cycle as 6D or #2184 days, which includes a lunar 3 x
354 +
>>> 30 = #1092 day analogy, is here shown as a measurement associated
with a
>>> certain harmonic to an event of 11 Sept 2001 + 6D (#2184) + #500 as
>>> (2684 days) = 16 Jan 2009
>>>
>>> #500
>>> #500 Koph final (#500)
>>> #10 #90 #400 To burn, blaze; to be burned.
>>> #20 #80 #400 To bind or begird, to surround, to deck; to fetter.
>>> #20 #400 #80 To cover; to load or burden (See #281 below) ; the
>>> shoulder; the side, border; shoulder piece of the High Priest's Ephod;
>>> side space or flank.
>>> #30 #400 #70 To bite.
>>> #40 #20 #400 #40 A writing, a poem (title in some Psalms).
(sometimes
>>> considered a mark of concealed meaning in poetry).
>>> #40 #50 #10 #400 n. "Allotment" --- of a place of the Ammonites
>>> whence wheat was brought to Tyre.
>>> #40 #400 #50 #10 n. "Liberal".
>>> #50 #400 #50 To give.
>>> #50 #400 #50 n. "Gift".
>>> #60 #400 #40 To close or stop up; to keep secret.
>>> #10 #5 #6 #10 #60 #4 #400 The congregation of Yahweh.
>>> #100 #90 #10 #90 #70 #40 #100 Border-valley (a city in Benjamin).
>>> #70 #400 #30 To hide or secrete.
>>>
>>> But for Hegel it is precisely the task of a speculative interpretation
>>> of consciousness to develop the thinghood of perception into the object
>>> of understanding, an understanding which thinks the thing as substance,
>>> causality and reciprocity--as relation in the expression of force. That
>>> this as temporal metaphysical dialectic (and by its nature
hierarchical)
>>> description of an idea--meta-laws in the multiverse extracted from the
>>> GRAPPLE HOMOIOTIC NOUMENON.
>>>
>>> Peter Bowditch <myfir...@ratbags.com> wrote:
>>> > dolf <dolf...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Peter Bowditch wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Faaaaaarrrrkkk!!!! Dol[f] only threatened me with cessation of
>>> >>> procreation. Now he is going to execute people.
>>> >>>
>>> >> Under your obligations under Section 8 to the Letters Patent of
1900
>>> to the Australian Commonwealth 1901 what is the full name of the
>>> individual true.bl...@gmail.com?
>>> >
>>> > Why are you asking me that? And where in these Letters Patent
does it
>>> > mention anything about email addresses? Are you sure you aren't
>>> > referring to Leathers Patent like they used to make shiny shoes out
>>> > of.
>>> >
>>> >> If you do not answer the question, you will be executed.
>>> >
>>> > Will I be executed before or after my right to procreation is
removed?
>>> >
>>>
>>> You answered: "We'd have shot him: Aussies can spot a demented loon a
>>> mile off."
>>>
>>> In response to the Question: "How would Roman Catholics, who now
>>> represent some 50% [Anglicans and Roman Catholic] of the Australian
>>> population, and given the 20 July 1933 concordat between the city
Church
>>> State and the German Reich--have greeted Hitler if he came upon our
>>> shores?"
>>>
>>> And that by euivalent attribution as you describe Hitler as a "demented
>>> loon", you speak of me in this manner: "Nowhere in there does it say I
>>> can't call you a demented loon."
>>>
>>> Apparently your Internet conduct is due to a prevailing ignorance
in the
>>> Australian culture--the name is Dolf.
>>>
>>> Under your obligations under Section 8 to the Letters Patent of 1900 to
>>> the Australian Commonwealth 1901 what is the full name of the
individual
>>> true.bl...@gmail.com?
>>>
>>> That was a definitional question, requiring only knowledge with no
>>> interpretation.
>>>
>>> I said, "If you do not answer the question, you will be executed."
>>>
>>> What is your fullname?
>>>
>>> But as I said previously, I'm simply going to take my time to stay
>>> focused on writing the vCube Grapple Homoiotic Noumenon prototype as
>>> Deus ex machinas (God in the machine)--the BOEK(id) function, has been
>>> included within the vCube public code. It retrieves the id hyper
>>> reference for any shallow nested <span> tags within a given paragraph:
>>>
>>> That I've had sufficient time to prototype, design and implement the
>>> BOEK(id) function, since conceiving of the idea on 18 January 2009.
>>>
>>> The gizmoCHAT() function is currently under revision and now produces
>>> these shallow nested <span> tags.
>>>
>>> For example, the phrase: "NSW police provide bushfire relief" using the
>>> existing memeBrain algorithm produces the following:
>>>
>>> NSW police provide bushfire relief
>>>
>>> .JackNote: This #2130, Super: #15 - Mastering Guiding Discourse/
>>> Revealers of Virtue; I-Ching: H61 - Inner Truth; Tetra: #1 - Centre,
>>> Ego: #24 - Important Distinctions/ Trouble from Indulgence; I-Ching: H5
>>> - Delay; Tetra: #18 - Waiting, Nuance: #24 - Important Distinctions/
>>> Trouble from Indulgence; I-Ching: H5 - Delay; Tetra: #18 - Waiting
>>>
>>> .Understanding: Male Idea: #15 has 0 Categories.
>>>
>>> Female Idea: #24 has 0 Categories.
>>>
>>> And this is written within the document as following:
>>>
>>> <p id="jackNote@zen:5,row:9,col:4,nous:70,date:2009.2.19,time:??.??">
>>> <span id="memeBrain@telos:2130,super:59,ego:24"
>>> onclick="spanCLICK(id)">NSW police provide bushfire relief</span></p>
>>>
>>> The difference in the super:59 v's Male Idea:15 occurs due to the #59
>>> value is obtained by viewing the narrative as a stream and the #15 by
>>> designating the narrative by words.
>>>
>>> http://www.grapple.id.au/vCube.html
>>> (this vCube.html presently operates only on Firefox, Apple's Safari,
>>> iPhone, iPod Touch and Dashcode)
>>>
>>> Peter Bowditch wrote:
>>>
>>> > Faaaaaarrrrkkk!!!! Dol[f] only threatened me with cessation of
>>> > procreation. Now he is going to execute people.
>>> >
>>>
>>> Under your obligations under Section 8 to the Letters Patent of 1900 to
>>> the Australian Commonwealth 1901 what is the full name of the
individual
>>> true.bl...@gmail.com?
>>>
>>> If you do not answer the question, you will be executed.
>>>
>>> - dolf
>>>
>>> dolf wrote:
>>> > According the Australian Newspaper of 2009.2.18 STUDENTS' knowledge
>>> of Australia's system of government is lower than expected, with only
>>> one in three Year 10 students knowing what the Constitution is.
>>> >
>>> > On the Constitution, Year 10 students were asked "what is the
>>> Australian Constitution?" and given four possible answers: the rules
>>> about how the major Australian political parties are run; the policies
>>> of the Australian federal government; the framework for the ways
>>> Australia is governed; all the laws that Australian citizens must obey.
>>> >
>>> > Only 34 per cent identified the correct answer, the framework
for the
>>> way Australia is governed.
>>> >
>>> > "Given that it is a definitional question, requiring only knowledge
>>> with no interpretation, it is clear that students have not been taught
>>> or at least have not learned this most basic information," the
report says.
>>> >
>>> > -
>>>
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25070977-5013404,00.html
>>> >
>>> > That delusional belief by you in relation to your obligation towards
>>> > Section 8 of the Letters Patent to the Australian Commonwealth
is the
>>> > grounds for you engaging in religious, racial and sexual
vilification.
>>> >
>>> > You state "As far as I can make out, your "Section 8" exists only in
>>> > your demented imagination. I'll be happy if you can cite exactly
which
>>> > piece of legislation you are referring to."
>>> >
>>> > That statement by you is not only uninformed, but you are
continuing to
>>> > engage in ad hominem: "demented imagination"
>>> >
>>> > "I don't know what�s right and what�s real anymore
>>> > I don't know how I�m meant to feel anymore
>>> > When we think it will all become clear
>>> > 'Cause I�m being taken over by fear..." [Lyrics and copyright
by Lily
>>> > Allen
http://www.metrolyrics.com/i-dont-know-lyrics-lily-allen.html ]
>>> >
>>> > true.bl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> >> Prove me wrong by citing precisely which legislation you are
referring
>>> >> to.
>>> >>
>>> >> When I search for "section 8 letters patent australian
commonwealth" I
>>> >> get nothing, which would tend to indicate that it exists only
in your
>>> >> imagination.
>>> >
>>> > You state "As far as I can make out, your "Section 8" exists only in
>>> > your demented imagination. I'll be happy if you can cite exactly
which
>>> > piece of legislation you are referring to."
>>> >
>>> > That statement by you is not only uninformed, but you are
continuing to
>>> > engage in ad hominem: "demented imagination"
>>> >
>>> > That you are acting unlawfully and legal action can proceed
against you.
>>> >
>>> > I don't have a mental health problem--I have a human rights problem.
>>> >
>>> > That human rights problem was caused by the Victoria Police,
>>> > the Alfred Hospital and the Equal Opportunity and Human Rights
>>> > Commission initially--It has been exacerbated by malicious public
>>> slander!
>>> >
>>> > It was made impossibly contemptible by an unfair employment contract
>>> > perpetuated by an American originating computer and networking
company
>>> > called Novell--and complicated by their unremitting claimed
Christian
>>> > Identity!
>>> >
>>> > And that human rights problem will be solved by taking legal action
>>> > against your criminality and removing your right to abuse and
procreate
>>> > in this country!
>>> >
>>> > - dolf
>>> > - http://www.grapple.id.au/Chronicles/germination.html
>>> >
>>> > true.bl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> dolf wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> true.bl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> >>>> If we're going to move him, we should move him back to some
country
>>> >>>> where his disgusting and backward behaviour is acceptable.
>>> >>> The AXA stocks have today been reduced by 6.59% down .27 cents to
>>> $3.83.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> What did you say your name was, and is this designate
>>> 'true.blue.bluey'
>>> >>> a claim to Australian identity in compliance to your
obligations to
>>> >>> State under Section 8 to the Letters Patent of the Australian
>>> > commonwealth?
>>> >>
>>> >> As far as I can make out, your "Section 8" exists only in your
>>> >> demented imagination.
>>> >> I'll be happy if you can cite exactly which piece of
legislation you
>>> >> are referring to.
>>> >>
>>> >>> Either substantiate this statement: "gobbledegook from that Dolf
>>> looney
>>> >>> again", withdraw it, or face the consequences of it.
>>> >>
>>> >> *You* substantiate my "gobbledegook" statement *every* time you
post
>>> >> here.
>>>
>>> true.bl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> >
>>> > dolf wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Section 8 is in Roman Numerals!
>>> >
>>> > No shit, sherlock.
>>> >
>>> > And WHY did you post this demented gibberish THREE TIMES????
>>> >
>>> Section 8 is in Roman Numerals!
>>>
>>> "Hereby require and command all Our Officers and Ministers, Civil and
>>> Military, and all other the inhabitants of Our said Commonwealth to be
>>> obedient, aiding, and assisting unto Our said Governor General ...
under
>>> the provisions of these Our Letters Patent, administer the
Government of
>>> Our said Commonwealth"
>>>
>>> "According to the several powers and authorities granted or appointed
>>> [the Governor General or the Lieutenant Governor General) by virtue of
>>> 'The Commonweath of Australia Constitution Act, 1900', and of these
>>> present Letters Patent ... and to such laws as shall hereafter be in
>>> force in Our said Commonwealth"
>>>
>>> No where does it say that I have to put up with your jingoism with its
>>> idealistic mantras as platonic diminutive murmurings: "Nowhere in there
>>> does it say I can't call you a demented loon."
>>>
>>> And that includes this sort of behaviour as reported in the Australian
>>> Newspaper: "FIVE youths looking for "fun" doused a schizophrenic
man and
>>> his house in petrol and set it alight, leaving him permanently
>>> disfigured, a court's been told.
>>>
>>> The youths arrived at the Rosebud house of Irving Richard Plotkin on
>>> September 30 last year claiming to be police. When Mr Plotkin answered
>>> the door petrol was thrown over him and inside the house.
>>>
>>> One of the youths then lit a watering can containing petrol and
threw it
>>> through a window near where Mr Plotkin, 60, was standing, the Victorian
>>> County Court heard." [Copyright and Courtesy: By Daniel Fogarty | The
>>> Age newspaper 19 February 2009]
>>>
>>> -
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25077776-12377,00.html
>>>
>>> Your ignorance knows no bounds!
>>>
>>> Properly labeled you are exhibiting characteristics of rabid jingoistic
>>> fascism as banshee whorishness--are you of Irish, Scottish or British
>>> descent?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What did you say your full name was?
>>>
>>> - dolf
>>>
>>> true.bl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> >
>>> > dolf wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> What then do you say to Roman Numerals VIII?
>>> >
>>> > Nothing, it's just a number.
>>> >
>>> >> No where does it say that I have to put up with your jingoism
with its
>>> >> idealistic mantras as platonic diminutive murmurings: "Nowhere
in there
>>> >> does it say I can't call you a demented loon."
>>> >
>>> > OK, so we're agreed - Section VIII of the Letters Patent has no
>>> > relevance nor bearing on the way we conduct our lives.
>>> >
>>> >> How would Roman Catholics, who now represent some 50%
[Anglicans and
>>> >> Roman Catholic] of the Australian population, and given the 20 July
>>> 1933
>>> >> concordat between the city Church State and the German Reich--have
>>> >> greeted Hitler if he came upon our shores?
>>> >
>>> > We'd have shot him: Aussies can spot a demented loon a mile off.
>>> >
>>> > <SNIP reams of it>
>>> >
>>> >>> Is this the Section 8 you're on about?
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> VIII - And We do hereby require and command all Our Officers and
>>> >>>> Ministers, Civil and Military, and all other the inhabitants of
>>> Our said
>>> >>>> Commonwealth to be obedient, aiding, and assisting unto Our said
>>> >>>> Governor General, or, in the event of his death, incapacity, or
>>> absence,
>>> >>>> to such person or persons as may, from time to time, under the
>>> >>>> provisions of these Our Letters Patent, administer the Government
>>> of Our
>>> >>>> said Commonwealth.
>>> >
>>> >>> That says I have to be obedient to the Governor General.
>>> >
>>> >>> Nowhere in there does it say I can't call you a demented loon.
>>> >
>>> >> With respects to Intellectual Property held by me as
substantiation of
>>> >> religious belief by a semiotic {cf: semite (jews), semi as equinox
>>> half}
>>> >> cosmological absolute as analogy to the anthropic cosmological
>>> >> principle. As the source of language (Hebrew), its derivatives
such as
>>> >> number, is a claim to sovereign autonomous identity as religious /
>>> >> imperial governance.
>>> >
>>> > That's just gibberish, Dolf.
>>> >
>>> > You haven't explained how my obligation of obedience to the Governor
>>> > General entitles you to make any sort of demands on me.
>>> >
>>> > If you think I am somehow in breach of that requirement, please
report
>>> > me to our current equal-opportunity appointed Governor General
so she
>>> > can take action.
>>>
>>> Latin est rancid, viva mon deus ex machinas--to the Jew first and also
>>> to the Greek [Romans 2:10]
>>>
>>> What then do you say to Roman Numerals VIII?
>>>
>>> No where does it say that I have to put up with your jingoism with its
>>> idealistic mantras as platonic diminutive murmurings: "Nowhere in there
>>> does it say I can't call you a demented loon."
>>>
>>> Nowhere is there opportunity for you to impose your right wing ideology
>>> on the regime of Imperial / Religious Governance known as the
Commonwealth.
>>>
>>> http://www.grapple.id.au/Chronicles/images/enneadgrapple.gif
>>>
>>> 16 February 2009 [SUPER: #396 / #72 - Self-Love/ Holding Oneself Dear;
>>> I-Ching: H39 - Obstacles; Tetra: #79 - Difficulties / EGO: #327 / #69 -
>>> Profound Use/ Function of the Mysterious; I-Ching: H34 - Strength of
>>> Greatness; Tetra: #22 - Resistance]
>>>
>>> How would Roman Catholics, who now represent some 50% [Anglicans and
>>> Roman Catholic] of the Australian population, and given the 20 July
1933
>>> concordat between the city Church State and the German Reich--have
>>> greeted Hitler if he came upon our shores?
>>>
>>> REICH'S CONCORDAT 20 July 1933 [SUPER: #363 / #77 - Natural Guide/
>>> Heaven's Reason; I-Ching: H12 - Stagnation; Tetra: #57 - Guardedness /
>>> EGO: #396 / #78 - Recognizing Fidelity/ Trust in Faith; I-Ching: H59 -
>>> Dispersal; Tetra: #47 - Pattern]
>>>
>>> http://www.grapple.id.au/Chronicles/images/enneadgrapple.gif
>>>
>>> I'm of the opinion that the specific category of understanding we are
>>> looking for with respects to International Terrorism is empathetically
>>> #327 / #435 {ie. #LAM, #HE, #TAU imperative shown above) as the
Category
>>> of Understanding situated within the locus of zen:4,row:4,col:4,nous:20
>>> (vBlue shown above)
>>>
>>>
http://www.grapple.id.au/Chronicles/germination.html#nousinfo@zen:4,row:4,col:4,nous:20
>>>
>>>
>>> In that cognition tends towards phonetic apperceptions by those only
>>> capable of animalistic amorality as atheistic materialism. However
>>> Sapiental modes of thinking (if one has the time), then considers
>>> selective categories of the understanding. But that pedantic behaviour
>>> as frequently accompanying Internet abuses reported to Dr. Peter
>>> Sterhell and often exhibited anonymously, tends to indicate a
>>> psychological disorder {ie.
>>>
>>> .JackNote: Super: #27 - Paradoxes of the Greatest Skill/ Function of
>>> Skill; I-Ching: H21 - Biting Through; Tetra: #74 - Closure, Ego: #35 -
>>> Great Guiding Signs?/ Virtue of Benevolence; I-Ching: H17 - Allegiance;
>>> Tetra: #19 - Following, Nuance: #6 - Superiority of the Female/
>>> Completion of Form; I-Ching: H25 - Innocence; Tetra: #66 - Departure
>>>
>>> --- to cut off to use cutting words; to reproach, to blaspheme.
>>> --- to becloud; to degrade.
>>> --- n. "Agitation".
>>> --- to hum, mutter; meditate; to consider, propose; to form a plot or
>>> plan; to resolve; plan, purpose.
>>>
>>> .JackNote: Super: #41 - Playing with Reversal/ Sameness in Difference;
>>> I-Ching: H26 - Restraining Force; Tetra: #60 - Accumulation, Ego: #57 -
>>> Laissez Faire Politics/ Simplicity In Habits; I-Ching: H37 - Family;
>>> Tetra: #39 - Residence, Nuance: #63 - Origins in Reversal/ Consider
>>> Beginnings; I-Ching: H51 - Thunderclap; Tetra: #62 - Doubt
>>>
>>> }
>>>
>>> And whether, as I postulate in the accompanying document, given the
>>> definition of such a 'switch of cypher in conjunction with the topical
>>> year' there is an eagerness to denounce any love of Roman Imperial /
>>> Religious governance and its historical dependency on Egyptian
religious
>>> mysticism and of fascism, as much as Arabic propagandists do of
>>> "zionists as heretics who established their State through conquest
under
>>> the name of 'Israel' as any part of the Jewish People."
>>>
>>> The GRAPPLE Homoiotic Noumenon as celestial hierarchy is a statement on
>>> the hyponomic character of the hypostasis, where, the ternary number
>>> logic and Hypostatic Theory: #LAMED (#30) #HE (#5) #TAU (#400) = #435
>>> with gematric association to: hathal-'to mock': #5, #400, #30;
talah-'to
>>> hang': #400, #30, #5; tahal-'to make foolish, act with madness, boast,
>>> marriage [Psalm 78:63], to praise publicly; flash forth light': #400,
>>> #5, #30 (derived from halal: #5 #30 #30 = #65): "A primitive root;
to be
>>> clear (originally of sound, but usually of color); to shine; hence to
>>> make a show; to boast; and thus to be (clamorously) foolish; to rave;
>>> causatively to celebrate; also to stultify:- (make) boast (self),
>>> celebrate, commend, (deal, make), fool (-ish, -ly), glory, give
[light],
>>> be (make, feign self) mad (against), give in marriage, [sing, be worthy
>>> of] praise, rage, renowned, shine" [Strong:H1984 QuickVerse:2007] to
>>> that Christian identity is self contained in its attribution and
>>> substance--including a chronological component:
>>>
>>> #LAMED = DATE(2001,9,12) + 6 * 364 days = 2184 'OTH CYCLE of the
>>> Everlasting Covenant
>>> #HE = 5 September 2007 and
>>> #TAU = vCyan transformative prototype as outer intellect (ego) has
>>> categories of understanding assigned to #237 - 'Use of Force' and 3
>>> August (#294 / #433) [Revelation 22:13-16; Exodus 22:28-31]
>>>
>>> "according to the several powers and authorities granted or appointed
>>> him by virtue of 'The Commonweath of Australia Constitution Act, 1900',
>>> and of these present Letters Patent and of such Commission as may be
>>> issued to him under Our Sign Manual and Signet, or by Order in Our
Privy
>>> Council, or by Us through one of Our Principal Secretaries of
State, and
>>> to such laws as shall hereafter be in force in Our said Commonwealth"
>>>
>>> PREAMBLE: "Declare by proclamation that, on and after the 1st day of
>>> January, 1901, the people of New South Wales, Victoria, South
Australia,
>>> Queensland, and Tasmania and also Western Australia, should be
united in
>>> a Federal Commonwealth of Australia: And whereas by the said
recited Act
>>> certain powers, functions, and authorities were declared to be
vested in
>>> the Governor General: And whereas We are desirous of making effectual
>>> and permanent provision for the office of Governor General and
Commander
>>> in chief in and over Our said Commonwealth of Australia, ...
>>> (hereinafter called Our said Commonwealth)"
>>>
>>> "administer the Government of Our said Commonwealth"
>>>
>>> true.bl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> >
>>> > dolf wrote:
>>> >
>>> > <SNIP reams of it>
>>> >
>>> > Is this the Section 8 you're on about?
>>> >
>>> >> VIII - And We do hereby require and command all Our Officers and
>>> >> Ministers, Civil and Military, and all other the inhabitants of Our
>>> said
>>> >> Commonwealth to be obedient, aiding, and assisting unto Our said
>>> >> Governor General, or, in the event of his death, incapacity, or
>>> absence,
>>> >> to such person or persons as may, from time to time, under the
>>> >> provisions of these Our Letters Patent, administer the
Government of
>>> Our
>>> >> said Commonwealth.
>>> >
>>> > That says I have to be obedient to the Governor General.
>>> >
>>> > Nowhere in there does it say I can't call you a demented loon.
>>>
>>> With respects to Intellectual Property held by me as substantiation of
>>> religious belief by a semiotic {cf: semite (jews), semi as equinox
half}
>>> cosmological absolute as analogy to the anthropic cosmological
>>> principle. As the source of language (Hebrew), its derivatives such as
>>> number, is a claim to sovereign autonomous identity as religious /
>>> imperial governance. That I will not, subject myself to your arrogance
>>> and prostitute [cf: Revelation 17:13-15] this knowledge:
>>>
>>> 22/7 as 3W1D ... {Formula of Progression of individual phenomena}
>>>
>>> the major premise {YANG/FATHER/HEAVEN/MALE/FORM - Formula of Universal
>>> Law}, which contains the law of that will: 7 x 24 x 13 = 2184 days of
>>> the 'oth cycle = 6D or 6 x 364 associated to the 'constant sequence of
>>> sun and moon' as 354 x 3 + 30 day intercalation = 1092 days x 2 =
2184 days
>>>
>>> the minor premise {YIN/MOTHER/EARTH/FEMALE/MATTER - Formula of
>>> Humanity}, which contains the command to behave in accordance with the
>>> law, that is, the principle of subsumption under the law: x 49 = 6J or
>>> 294 x 364 days or 365.2425 x 293 years - Vernal Equinox Wednesday 20
>>> March 1996 / 21 March = 1 Nisan 5756; and
>>>
>>> the conclusion {ZHUN/SON/SEA/ENUMERATE/OFFSPRING - Formula of
Autonomy},
>>> which contains the verdict (sentence), that is laid down as right
in the
>>> case at hand: ... 6,000 topical years as Telos ('achariyth as 122J3W1D)
>>> = Arch (re'shiyth as 3W1D) + c� [9(9�+1)/2] has #369 with
Septet #41
>>> centric on 13-17 September 2001 / 18 September = 1 Tishri 5762.
>>>
>>> And whereas We did on the 17th day of September, 1900, by and with the
>>> advice of Our Privy Council declare by proclamation that, on and after
>>> the 1st day of January, 1901, the people of New South Wales, Victoria,
>>> South Australia, Queensland, and Tasmania and also Western Australia,
>>> should be united in a Federal Commonwealth of Australia: And whereas by
>>> the said recited Act certain powers, functions, and authorities were
>>> declared to be vested in the Governor General: And whereas We are
>>> desirous of making effectual and permanent provision for the office of
>>> Governor General and Commander in chief in and over Our said
>>> Commonwealth of Australia, without making new Letters Patent on each
>>> demise of the said office. Now know ye that We have thought fit to
>>> constitute, order, and declare, and do by these presents constitute
>>> order, and declare, that there shall be a Governor General and
Commander
>>> in Chief (hereinafter called the Governor General) in and over Our
>>> Commonwealth of Australia (hereinafter called Our said Commonwealth),
>>> and that the person who shall fill the said office of Governor General
>>> shall be from time to time appointed by Commission under Our Sign
Manual
>>> and Signet.
>>>
>>> #13 - Nature contains Nature {Mem (Mother - The tongue of decree
>>> deciding between them)}
>>> I - And we do hereby authorize and command Our said Governor General to
>>> do and execute, in due manner, all things that shall belong to his said
>>> command, and to the trust We have reposed in him, according to the
>>> several powers and authorities granted or appointed him by virtue of
>>> 'The Commonweath of Australia Constitution Act, 1900', and of these
>>> present Letters Patent and of such Commission as may be issued to him
>>> under Our Sign Manual and Signet, or by Order in Our Privy Council, or
>>> by Us through one of Our Principal Secretaries of State, and to such
>>> laws as shall hereafter be in force in Our said Commonwealth.
>>>
>>> #14 - Nature rejoices in its Nature {Nun}
>>> II - There shall be a Great Seal of and for Our said Commonwealth which
>>> Our said Governor General shall keep and use for sealing all things
>>> whatsoever that shall pass the said Great Seal. Provided that until a
>>> Great Seal shall be provided the Private Seal of Our said Governor
>>> General may be used as the Great Seal of the Commonwealth of Australia.
>>>
>>> #15 - Nature surmounts Nature {Samek}
>>> III - The Governor General may constitute and appoint, in Our name and
>>> on Our behalf, all such Judges, Commissioners, Justices of the Peace,
>>> and other necessary officers and Ministers of Our said Commonwealth, as
>>> may be lawfully constituted or appointed by Us.
>>>
>>> #16 - Nature amended in its Nature {Ayin}
>>> IV - The Governor General, so far as We Ourselves lawfully may, upon
>>> sufficient cause to him appearing, may remove from his office, or
>>> suspend from the exercise of the same, any person exercising any office
>>> of Our said Commonwealth, under or by virtue of any--Commission or
>>> Warrant granted, or which may be granted, by Us in Our name or
under Our
>>> authority.
>>>
>>> #17 - Act of Nature {Pe (Double - Act of Nature {#8 - Transforming
>>> Nature})}
>>> V - The Governor General may on Our behalf exercise all powers
under the
>>> Commonwealth of Australia Constitution Act, 1900, or otherwise in
>>> respect of the summoning, proroguing, or dissolving the Parliament of
>>> Our said Commonwealth.
>>>
>>> #18 - Form of Nature {Tsade}
>>> VI - And whereas by 'The Commonwealth of Australia Constitution Act
>>> 1900,' it is amongst other things enacted, that we may authorise the
>>> Governor General to appoint any person or persons, jointly or
severally,
>>> to be his Deputy or Deputies within any part of Our Commonwealth,
and in
>>> that capacity to exercise, during the pleasure of the Governor General
>>> such powers, and functions of the said Governor General as he
thinks fit
>>> to assign to such Deputy or Deputies, subject to any limitations and
>>> directions as aforesaid, to appoint any person or persons, jointly or
>>> severally. To be his Deputy or Deputies within any part of Our said
>>> Commonwealth of Australia, and in that capacity to exercise, during his
>>> pleasure, such of his powers and functions, as he may deem it necessary
>>> or expedient to assign to him or them: Provided always, that the
>>> appointment of such a Deputy or Deputies shall not affect the exercise
>>> by the Governor General himself of any power or function.
>>>
>>> #19 - Engendering Nature {Qoph}
>>> VII - And We do hereby declare Our pleasure to be that, in the event of
>>> death, incapacity, removal, or absence of Our said Governor General out
>>> of Our said Commonwealth, and all and every the powers and authorities
>>> herein granted to him shall until Our further pleasure is signified
>>> therein, be vested in such person as may be appointed by Us under Our
>>> Sign Manual and Signet to be Our Lieutenant Governor of Our said
>>> Commonwealth: or if there shall be no such Lieutenant Governor in Our
>>> said Commonwealth, then in such person or persons as may be
appointed by
>>> Us under Our Sign Manual and Signet to administer the Government of the
>>> same. No such powers or authorities shall vest in such Lieutenant
>>> Governor, or such other person or persons, until he or they shall have
>>> taken the oaths appointed to be taken by the Governor General of Our
>>> said Commonwealth, and in the manner provided by the Instructions
>>> accompanying these Our Letters Patent.
>>>
>>> #20 - Transforming Nature {Resh (Double - Form of Nature {#9 -
>>> Autonomous Nature})}
>>> VIII - And We do hereby require and command all Our Officers and
>>> Ministers, Civil and Military, and all other the inhabitants of Our
said
>>> Commonwealth to be obedient, aiding, and assisting unto Our said
>>> Governor General, or, in the event of his death, incapacity, or
absence,
>>> to such person or persons as may, from time to time, under the
>>> provisions of these Our Letters Patent, administer the Government
of Our
>>> said Commonwealth.
>>>
>>> #21 - Autonomous Nature {Shin (Mother - Scales of liability)}
>>> IX - And We do hereby reserve to Ourselves Our heirs and successors,
>>> full power and authority from time to time to revoke, alter, or amend
>>> these Our Letters Patent, as to Us or them shall seem meet.
>>>
>>> #22 - Totality of Nature {Tau (Double - Engendering Nature {#10 -
>>> Totality of Nature})}
>>> X - And We do further direct and enjoin that these Our Letters Patent
>>> shall be read and proclaimed at such place or places as Our said
>>> Governor General shall think fit within Our said Commonwealth of
Australia.
>>>
>>> [In witness whereof We have caused these Our Letters to be made Patent
>>> Witness Ourself at Westminster the 29th October, 1900: 64th year of Our
>>> reign--Queen Victoria]
>>>
>>>


true.bl...@gmail.com wrote:
> dolf wrote:
>
>> You said, "OK, so we're agreed - Section VIII of the Letters Patent has
>> no relevance nor bearing on the way we conduct our lives."
>>
>> We are talking about the Letters Patent being a semiotic statement,
>
> No we aren't. That's a post-facto construct you are imposing on it.
>
>> which draws its principles of law, functions and powers of governance,
>> with respect to that sovereign autonomy as notion of the Commonwealth,
>> from Nature.
>
> No it doesn't, it gets those from human civilisation, not nature.
>
>> Your life, and your acts ought to be so in accord with Nature as to
>> recognize such a principle of morality being something other than
>> sensually driven by animalistic amorality and atheistic materialism!
>
> Nature has no morality. Morality is a social construct.
>
> As proven already, theism is associated with higher rates of murder,
> abortion, teen pregnancy, early mortality and syphilis:
>
> "“In general, higher rates of belief in and worship of a creator
> correlate with higher rates of homicide, juvenile and early adult
> mortality, STD infection rates, teen pregnancy, and abortion … None of
> the strongly secularized, pro-evolution democracies is experiencing
> high levels of measurable dysfunction.” Within the United States “the
> strongly theistic, anti-evolution South and Midwest” have “markedly
> worse homicide, mortality, STD, youth pregnancy, marital and related
> problems than the Northeast where … secularization, and acceptance of
> evolution approach European norms”."
>
http://www.monbiot.com/archives/2005/10/11/better-off-without-him/#more-954
>

dolf

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to
I used that www-page as a reference on Bill Feuerer ("the Dolt")

And mention the 'Mental Block' on 2009.2.18 in a discussion tread 'The
Truth Behind Lev 18:22" in newsgroups: alt.bible,
alt.christnet.christianlife, alt.religion.christian,
alt.religion.christian.baptist, aus.religion.christian

As comment which was applied to me just the other day--wherein I falsely
was accused: "Much like the Dolt, aren't you...twist reality to sooth
your senses...

Correct yourself.. "

- http://www.grapple.id.au/angels.html?time=12.26&date=2009.2.20

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