Re: Gastric bypass.
GeF
> "Dave K" <dkots...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1165614937.7...@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
>> That Guy wrote:
>>> At 360 lbs, I want to start living again. I've tried dealing with the
>>> mental problems that result in consistent overeating, and after 20 years
>>> I've made no progress. I guess I'll have the surgery.
>> Hey, good to see you on "these boards."
>
> Thanks! Do I know you?
>
>> I know a couple of people who have done this. One of them spent a year
>> going to some kind of group before she actually had the surgery, to
>> prepare herself for it. She met with others that had gone through it
>> so she'd know what to expect. Just something to consider.
>>
>> -DaveK
>
> Excellent ideas! You're right, about knowing what to expect and also it's
> good to go to group before and after, to help reinforce and assist the
> behavior modification that the surgery forces upon the recipient at first.
> The surgery fixes nothing, but I gave up on trying to get help to fix my
> problems (mentally.) After 25 years of trying I just want to shed the
> weight and live a normal life for a while.
>
>
How about fasting ? Read about it. Have a friend assist you in the
first three days. Your urge to eat will drop off after the third
day and it will be smooth sailing thereafter on a calm ocean under a
blue sky.
I did a very similar diet to fasting (eating only proteins) for 4
weeks. It was wonderful and empowering. I exercised moderately and
found my muscles returning..
It's taken 30 years for me to gain the weight back. It's true
that 5 years after the diet, I discovered what I consider is the
ultimate diet (to which I would affix my name and write a book if
I were ambitious).
GeF's diet : "Eat what you want"
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> That Guy wrote:
> > "Dave K" <dkots...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:1165614937.7...@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
> >> That Guy wrote:
> >>> At 360 lbs, I want to start living again. I've tried dealing with the
> >>> mental problems that result in consistent overeating, and after 20 years
> >>> I've made no progress. I guess I'll have the surgery.
Perhaps the following inspirational true story will help you overcome
the brainwashing that has resulted in your believing falsely that
"hunger is bad:"
http://MabletonGA.OurLittle.net/DreadNought
So that you can go find good things to do that will make you hungrier
instead of finding things to eat between smaller meals:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp
"Hunger is good."
Know this in your heart and the truth, Who is LORD Jesus Christ, will
cure you of your obesity.
May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing us of
obesity,depression,anxiety, and panic so that we can love our neighbors
a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a lot more, dear neighbors whom I
love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love
Dave K
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> GeF wrote:
> > That Guy wrote:
> > > "Dave K" <dkots...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1165614937.7...@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
> > >> That Guy wrote:
> > >>> At 360 lbs, I want to start living again. I've tried dealing with the
> > >>> mental problems that result in consistent overeating, and after 20 years
> > >>> I've made no progress. I guess I'll have the surgery.
>
> Perhaps the following inspirational true story will help you overcome
> the brainwashing that has resulted in your believing falsely that
> "hunger is bad:"
>
> http://MabletonGA.OurLittle.net/DreadNought
>
> So that you can go find good things to do that will make you hungrier
> instead of finding things to eat between smaller meals:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp
>
> "Hunger is good."
>
> Know this in your heart and the truth, Who is LORD Jesus Christ, will
> cure you of your obesity.
Wow, and I thought I'd read all those obscure gnostic texts...
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, wrote:
> > GeF wrote:
> > > That Guy wrote:
> > > > "Dave K" <dkots...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:1165614937.7...@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
> > > >> That Guy wrote:
> > > >>> At 360 lbs, I want to start living again. I've tried dealing with the
> > > >>> mental problems that result in consistent overeating, and after 20 years
> > > >>> I've made no progress. I guess I'll have the surgery.
> >
> > Perhaps the following inspirational true story will help you overcome
> > the brainwashing that has resulted in your believing falsely that
> > "hunger is bad:"
> >
> > http://MabletonGA.OurLittle.net/DreadNought
> >
> > So that you can go find good things to do that will make you hungrier
> > instead of finding things to eat between smaller meals:
> >
> > http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp
> >
> > "Hunger is good."
> >
> > Know this in your heart and the truth, Who is LORD Jesus Christ, will
> > cure you of your obesity.
>
> Wow, and I thought I'd read all those obscure gnostic texts...
The Gospel according to Luke is not an obscure gnostic text...
"Blessed are you who hunger now for you will be satisfied." -- LORD
Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21).
GeF
> Wow, and I thought I'd read all those obscure gnostic texts...
What is it you learned from reading them ? Has it benefited you ?
GeF
dkots...@yahoo.com
GeF wrote:
> Dave K wrote:
>
> > Wow, and I thought I'd read all those obscure gnostic texts...
>
>
>
> What is it you learned from reading them ?
It's hard to say whether I "learned" anything as much as developed some
opinions about the similarities between early Christianity and
Buddhism. I also have some opinions about why certain texts were
included as canonical and others were not.
> Has it benefited you ?
I like knowing the stuff is out there, seeing common threads, etc. I
suppose that's a benefit.
-DaveK
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> GeF
GeF
> GeF wrote:
>> Dave K wrote:
>>
>>> Wow, and I thought I'd read all those obscure gnostic texts...
>>
>>
>> What is it you learned from reading them ?
>
> It's hard to say whether I "learned" anything as much as developed some
> opinions about the similarities between early Christianity and
> Buddhism. I also have some opinions about why certain texts were
> included as canonical and others were not.
I know zilch about the gnostics, apart John Cage's quotation of Meister
Eckhart's "Split the stick. There is Jesus", which I manages to make
me feel good every time I passing think of it !
>
>> Has it benefited you ?
>
> I like knowing the stuff is out there, seeing common threads, etc. I
> suppose that's a benefit.
Same for me. Thanks for your reply !
> -DaveK
>
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>> GeF
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That Guy
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
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> GeF wrote:
>> That Guy wrote:
>> > "Dave K" <dkots...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> > news:1165614937.7...@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
>> >> That Guy wrote:
>> >>> At 360 lbs, I want to start living again. I've tried dealing with
>> >>> the
>> >>> mental problems that result in consistent overeating, and after 20
>> >>> years
>> >>> I've made no progress. I guess I'll have the surgery.
>
> Perhaps the following inspirational true story will help you overcome
> the brainwashing that has resulted in your believing falsely that
> "hunger is bad:"
Where on earth did you come up with the idea that I believe "hunger is bad"?
Dave K
I had started to ask him the same thing before I realized that he was
probably just looking for some opportunity to espouse his theories and
his theology.
Dear Jesus,
Please save me from your followers.
Thx,
-DaveK
That Guy
"GeF" <o...@org.org> wrote in message
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>
> How about fasting ?
You lose a lot of weight very quickly when you fast, but after a few months
you tend to die from malnutririon. ;-)
Seriously, fasting is bad for losing weight. It sets up an emergency state
in the body, and many believe that entering such a state causes permanent
metabolic changes which make the body more prone to store plenty of fat, as
a survival mechanism to make it through the next "famine." That makes good
sense to me. I have fasted, once for ten days, and I felt good (fasting is
an extremely effective way of dealing with an opressively hot enviroment, I
found--your body decreases its metabolic rate so you're producing much less
heat and can therefore tolerate hot and humid climates much easier.)
> Read about it. Have a friend assist you in the
> first three days.
How exactly does one assist another in a fast?
> Your urge to eat will drop off after the third
> day
Yeah, right. I know from experiences that *hunger* vanishes after a day or
two of not eating, but hunger is not the same as the urge to eat. I often
have the urge to eat but rarely feel actual hunger.
> and it will be smooth sailing thereafter on a calm ocean under a
> blue sky.
>
> I did a very similar diet to fasting (eating only proteins) for 4
> weeks.
That sounds dangerous. How did you get protein without any carbs or fats
anyway? Even lean meat has some fat in it.
> GeF's diet : "Eat what you want"
Hey, that's MY diet! It has worked spectacularly well for me, if a BMI of
over 45 is considered a success.
That Guy
LOL yep, that's what it looks like.
GeF
> "GeF" <o...@org.org> wrote in message
> news:457a0d03$0$25936$ba4a...@news.orange.fr...
>> That Guy wrote:
>>> "Dave K" <dkots...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
>>>
>>
>> How about fasting ?
>
> You lose a lot of weight very quickly when you fast, but after a few months
> you tend to die from malnutririon. ;-)
>
> Seriously, fasting is bad for losing weight. It sets up an emergency state
> in the body, and many believe that entering such a state causes permanent
> metabolic changes which make the body more prone to store plenty of fat, as
> a survival mechanism to make it through the next "famine." That makes good
> sense to me. I have fasted, once for ten days, and I felt good (fasting is
> an extremely effective way of dealing with an opressively hot enviroment, I
> found--your body decreases its metabolic rate so you're producing much less
> heat and can therefore tolerate hot and humid climates much easier.)
>
>
>
>> Read about it. Have a friend assist you in the
>> first three days.
>
> How exactly does one assist another in a fast?
Well.. it'd help me to have a friend fix me green tea to put my mind off
a "little hunger"
>
>
>> Your urge to eat will drop off after the third
>> day
>
> Yeah, right. I know from experiences that *hunger* vanishes after a day or
> two of not eating, but hunger is not the same as the urge to eat. I often
> have the urge to eat but rarely feel actual hunger.
>
>> and it will be smooth sailing thereafter on a calm ocean under a
>> blue sky.
>>
>> I did a very similar diet to fasting (eating only proteins) for 4
>> weeks.
>
> That sounds dangerous. How did you get protein without any carbs or fats
> anyway? Even lean meat has some fat in it.
>
>> GeF's diet : "Eat what you want"
>
> Hey, that's MY diet! It has worked spectacularly well for me, if a BMI of
> over 45 is considered a success.
>
I wuz wondering : does having a bypass mean you can eat all you want all the
time ? taste the food, feel it fill up a satisfied stomach, and exit
undigested through a purpose built trap door ?
Where's the trap door ?
Dave K
Hmm, sounds like intro-gastro-bullemia surgery...
Trap doors aside, people who have had the bypasses have to eat small,
frequent meals. That is of course, a healthy way to eat, in theory. Of
course this doesn't automatically yield a healthy diet. A person I
know who had this surgery continued to eat badly, but in small,
frequent meal, with no trap door.
-DaveK
That Guy
> That Guy wrote:
>> "GeF" <o...@org.org> wrote in message
>> news:457a0d03$0$25936$ba4a...@news.orange.fr...
>>> That Guy wrote:
>>>> "Dave K" <dkots...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>
>
> I wuz wondering : does having a bypass mean you can eat all you want all
> the time ? taste the food, feel it fill up a satisfied stomach, and exit
> undigested through a purpose built trap door ?
> Where's the trap door ?
I'd prefer a genetic alteration which would limit my body fat storage to 4%
of my body weight and resist the harmful effects of junk food.
Realistically, the bypass will force me to make certain changes. If I
overeat, I will receive instant negative reinforcement. That'll help me
train my brain away from the cycle of food=instant pleasure. It won't fix
anything, and it won't do anything for me that I can't in theory do for
myself, but it will help.
I've been trying to make healthier eating choices for 25 years. I'm tired
of trying to fight the urges and tired of trying to change and failing.
Don't know if the operation will help, but everyone I know who's had it
recommends it heartily.
That Guy
I intend to supplement my diet with the juices of green leafy vegetables,
carrots and berries, probably a few other things as well. Malnutrition is a
common side effect because the part of the stomach that absorbs the most of
certain nutrients is bypassed.
That Guy
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> That Guy wrote:
>
>> I intend to supplement my diet with the juices of green leafy vegetables,
>> carrots and berries, probably a few other things as well. Malnutrition
>> is a common side effect because the part of the stomach that absorbs the
>> most of certain nutrients is bypassed.
>
> a prayer of absorbing some of the nutrients.
Yep, flax oil. I know about EFAs. But I didn't know you needed to ingest
oil with the juices to absorb the vitamins and minerals in fruit and
vegetable juices??
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> >> That Guy wrote:
> >> >>> At 360 lbs, I want to start living again. I've tried dealing with
> >> >>> the
> >> >>> mental problems that result in consistent overeating, and after 20
> >> >>> years
> >> >>> I've made no progress. I guess I'll have the surgery.
> >
> > Perhaps the following inspirational true story will help you overcome
> > the brainwashing that has resulted in your believing falsely that
> > "hunger is bad:"
http://MabletonGA.OurLittle.net/DreadNought
> Where on earth did you come up with the idea that I believe "hunger is bad"?
In the Holy Spirit, I know that you have been brainwashed to believe
that hunger is bad:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp
May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing our
diabetes, depression, anxiety, or panic so that we can love our
neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a lot more, dear neighbor
That Guy
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
news:1166273992.4...@f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> That Guy wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >> >> That Guy wrote:
>> >> >>> At 360 lbs, I want to start living again. I've tried dealing with
>> >> >>> the
>> >> >>> mental problems that result in consistent overeating, and after 20
>> >> >>> years
>> >> >>> I've made no progress. I guess I'll have the surgery.
>> >
>> > Perhaps the following inspirational true story will help you overcome
>> > the brainwashing that has resulted in your believing falsely that
>> > "hunger is bad:"
>
> http://MabletonGA.OurLittle.net/DreadNought
>
>> Where on earth did you come up with the idea that I believe "hunger is
>> bad"?
>
> In the Holy Spirit, I know that you have been brainwashed to believe
> that hunger is bad
You are so certain that you have the answer. Be careful, my friend.
Arrogance often masquerades as faith, even in the mind of the person from
whom it originates.
That Guy
>
> As a man, particularly, you may want to consider other sources of EFAs
> than flax, which can be highly estrogenic and may contribute to prostate
> cancer.
Aw geeze. Where do you get your information? I'm not saying that I
disagree with it, but I'd like to find out more about this.
Dave K
I'm just worried about what else the voices might be "telling him." ;-)
-DaveK
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > That Guy wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> >> >> That Guy wrote:
> >> >> >>> At 360 lbs, I want to start living again. I've tried dealing with
> >> >> >>> the
> >> >> >>> mental problems that result in consistent overeating, and after 20
> >> >> >>> years
> >> >> >>> I've made no progress. I guess I'll have the surgery.
> >> >
> >> > Perhaps the following inspirational true story will help you overcome
> >> > the brainwashing that has resulted in your believing falsely that
> >> > "hunger is bad:"
> >
> > http://MabletonGA.OurLittle.net/DreadNought
> >
> >> Where on earth did you come up with the idea that I believe "hunger is
> >> bad"?
> >
> > In the Holy Spirit, I know that you have been brainwashed to believe
> > that hunger is bad
>
> You are so certain that you have the answer.
In the Holy Spirit, I simply know that you have been brainwashed to
believe that hunger is bad. This is happening to all of us daily. Few
know in their hearts that "hunger is good."
May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing our
diabetes, depression, anxiety or panic so that we can love others a
Dave K
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> That Guy wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > That Guy wrote:
> > >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > >> >> >> That Guy wrote:
> > >> >> >>> At 360 lbs, I want to start living again. I've tried dealing with
> > >> >> >>> the
> > >> >> >>> mental problems that result in consistent overeating, and after 20
> > >> >> >>> years
> > >> >> >>> I've made no progress. I guess I'll have the surgery.
> > >> >
> > >> > Perhaps the following inspirational true story will help you overcome
> > >> > the brainwashing that has resulted in your believing falsely that
> > >> > "hunger is bad:"
> > >
> > > http://MabletonGA.OurLittle.net/DreadNought
> > >
> > >> Where on earth did you come up with the idea that I believe "hunger is
> > >> bad"?
> > >
> > > In the Holy Spirit, I know that you have been brainwashed to believe
> > > that hunger is bad
> >
> > You are so certain that you have the answer.
>
> In the Holy Spirit, I simply know that you have been brainwashed to
> believe that hunger is bad. This is happening to all of us daily. Few
> know in their hearts that "hunger is good."
You seem terribly invested in your viewpoint, so I don't know why I'm
saying this. But hunger is neither good nor bad. It's just something
that happens. What is important is our response to it.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
It remains my choice to stay with the truth.
> But hunger is neither good nor bad.
Actually, hunger is good.
> It's just something that happens.
"Blessed are you who hunger now, for you will be satisfied." -- LORD
Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)
Amen.
> What is important is our response to it.
Without GOD's blessing of hunger, we would die stricken with anorexia
nervosa.
Indeed, it is while hungry that we know we are not dying.
May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing our
depression, anxiety or panic so that we can love our neighbors a little
more and LORD Jesus Christ a lot more dear neighbor Dave whom I love
%
That Guy
How do you know that what you believe is the truth. Please explain.
>
> Without GOD's blessing of hunger, we would die stricken with anorexia
> nervosa.
You just proved to me that you're not a doctor.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
You remind me of Governor Pontius Pilate:
"What is truth?" -- Pontius Pilate (John 18:38)
"If you have to ask about the truth, HE is not with you." -- Holy
Spirit
Amen.
> > Without GOD's blessing of hunger, we would die stricken with anorexia
> > nervosa.
>
> You just proved to me that you're not a doctor.
Instead, GOD has compelled you to be the proof that you have been
brainwashed to believe that hunger is bad just as Jolanna was...
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp
... but is no longer:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/1e8b65b045a29778?
Fear GOD and dread nothing (especially not diabetes) that is of this
world:
http://MabletonGA.OurLittle.net/DreadNought
May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing our
diabetes, depression, anxiety, and panic so that we can love our
neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a lot more, dear neighbor
Hollywood
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> That Guy wrote:
>
> You remind me of Governor Pontius Pilate:
You remind me of, oh I dunno, the company involved in the landmark case
that essentially decided that lying was covered by the First
Ammendment.
> "What is truth?" -- Pontius Pilate (John 18:38)
In a post-modern, deconstructionist world, truth is open to
interpretation.
> "If you have to ask about the truth, HE is not with you." -- Holy
> Spirit
I am curious. Can you give a scriptural (cannonical or apocryphal)
reference where the Holy Spirit (not God or Jesus) actually says
anything? I know that the HS inspired people to speak, kind of put them
in the zone when they needed to say something big, but generally, those
things are attributed to the speaker, not the spirit. If you're just
making stuff up that the Holy Spirit said to you, we call that "hearing
voices," and it's generally considered a symptom of deep psychosis.
> Amen.
A-main.
> > You just proved to me that you're not a doctor.
He does this daily to hundreds. You are not the first who is convinced
he is not a doctor. Oddly, he is a doctor, though I think the term has
a false association with Quality that is proved false by Dr.
Chung-hole.
> Instead, GOD has compelled you to be the proof that you have been
> brainwashed to believe that hunger is bad just as Jolanna was...
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp
So, Jolana ate some extra food and it made her hungry later.
> ... but is no longer:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/1e8b65b045a29778?
Then, she controlled herself with the addition of two powerful drugs.
Where 2lb insanity enters the picture, I have no idea. I say insanity,
because you maintain (falsely) that it is not a diet. So, for lack of
other words, let's call it the 2PD-OMER Insanity. It's catchy that way.
> Fear GOD and dread nothing (especially not diabetes) that is of this
> world:
>
> http://MabletonGA.OurLittle.net/DreadNought
As I read this, for some reason, I kept thinking of Penthouse Forum.
Not for the ribald stories, but the implausibility of them. The
standard format is something like this:
"Dear Penthouse Forum,
I have read your magazine for years with great enjoyment, but never
thought I'd have anything to write you about. But the other day, I was
<insert 500-2000 word completely unlikely story of sex with multiple
partners, "that full feeling", odd locations, and either a wistful
ending bemoaning the transience of it all or a hopeful ending looking
forward to repeat performances>. "
At any rate, your tale of this superannuated, script free, ww2 vet,
while touching, has the same kind of dreamy, hopeful but likely BS,
feel to it. The rhythms of the text, the length of the story, the
progression of the narrative, all bear a striking resemblance to my
memory of Penthouse Forum.
Lastly, let's remember another portion of Mathew's testimony on the
Sermon on the Mount. The portion where Jesus suggested that the MEEK
are blessed, for they will inherit the earth. I do not discern one iota
of meekness in your manner Dr. Chung, so you will be left out of the
reward you think is coming to you. You might as well just pig out, and
put your food scale away. Without meek, you get zilch. And you sir, are
completely without meek.
-Hollywood, who will always think of Dr. Chung and Penthouse Forum
together.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > That Guy wrote:
>
> > > How do you know that what you believe is the truth. Please explain.
> >
> > You remind me of Governor Pontius Pilate:
>
> You remind me of, oh I dunno, the company involved in the landmark case
> that essentially decided that lying was covered by the First
> Ammendment.
Clearly you don't know.
Without GOD, Creator of heaven and earth, you will never know.
> In a post-modern, deconstructionist world, truth is open to
> interpretation.
Actually, truth is absolute.
> > "If you have to ask about the truth, HE is not with you." -- Holy
> > Spirit
>
> I am curious.
Clearly, you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
> Can you give a scriptural (cannonical or apocryphal)
> reference where the Holy Spirit (not God or Jesus) actually says
> anything?
Have not written that the Holy Spirit speaks.
> I know that the HS inspired people to speak, kind of put them
> in the zone when they needed to say something big, but generally, those
> things are attributed to the speaker, not the spirit.
Actually, when the Holy Spirit compels a person to speak, that person
credits the words to GOD.
> If you're just
> making stuff up that the Holy Spirit said to you, we call that "hearing
> voices," and it's generally considered a symptom of deep psychosis.
In my continued ever closer walk with Christ Jesus, HE keeps me
completely well.
> > Amen.
>
> A-main.
>
> > > You just proved to me that you're not a doctor.
>
> He does this daily to hundreds. You are not the first who is convinced
> he is not a doctor. Oddly, he is a doctor, though I think the term has
> a false association with Quality that is proved false by Dr.
> Chung-hole.
Clearly, the truth is not with you.
> > Instead, GOD has compelled you to be the proof that you have been
> > brainwashed to believe that hunger is bad just as Jolanna was...
> >
> > http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp
>
> So, Jolana ate some extra food and it made her hungry later.
Not for those with discerning hearts:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/discern.asp
> > ... but is no longer:
> >
> > http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/1e8b65b045a29778?
>
> Then, she controlled herself with the addition of two powerful drugs.
> Where 2lb insanity enters the picture, I have no idea. I say insanity,
> because you maintain (falsely) that it is not a diet. So, for lack of
> other words, let's call it the 2PD-OMER Insanity. It's catchy that way.
Clearly, you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit.
Your embarrassing yourself is an adverse reaction to the awesome power
of intercessory prayers made by the brethren of LORD Jesus Christ
lifting up to our heavenly Father those like you who have been
convicted by the Holy Spirit:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing our
diabetes, depression, anxiety, or panic so that we can love our
neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a lot more, dear neighbor
Hollywood whom I love unconditionally.
Hollywood
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > That Guy wrote:
> >
> > > > How do you know that what you believe is the truth. Please explain.
> > >
> > > You remind me of Governor Pontius Pilate:
> >
> > > "What is truth?" -- Pontius Pilate (John 18:38)
>
> > You remind me of, oh I dunno, the company involved in the landmark case
> > that essentially decided that lying was covered by the First
> > Ammendment.
>
> Clearly you don't know.
>
> Without GOD, Creator of heaven and earth, you will never know.
My contention is that you do not know because you have entered with
certainty rather than an open mind. The very kind of person Jesus
railed against when he complained of Pharisees.
> > In a post-modern, deconstructionist world, truth is open to
> > interpretation.
>
> Actually, truth is absolute.
Truth: You are a jerk. Interpret as you will.
Let's just say that I am not willing to take the wisdom of people who
hadn't even invented the donkey steam engine and apply it to a world
with a very functioning Internet. Postmodernism is better suited for
post modern times. Preindustrialism is just a romantic notion for a
time that never really existed anyway.
> > > "If you have to ask about the truth, HE is not with you." -- Holy
> > > Spirit
> >
> > I am curious.
>
> Clearly, you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
I will thank you to do the following remove my "nom de guerre" from
your website. It is libelous since I have not been convicted in any
court that is commonly recognized with authority on this plane of
existance. If you fail to do this, I will be force to either contact
the proper authorities or retaliate in kind.
> > Can you give a scriptural (cannonical or apocryphal)
> > reference where the Holy Spirit (not God or Jesus) actually says
> > anything?
>
> Have not written that the Holy Spirit speaks.
You have quoted the Holy Spigot. Generally, when you put words between
the single or double elevated commas, it is understood to be something
that a person or other character has said. Sometimes, in fiction,
thoughts can be conveyed in these "quotation marks" but generally, this
is the wrong usage. So, in fact, you have written that the HS spoke at
one point or another.
> > I know that the HS inspired people to speak, kind of put them
> > in the zone when they needed to say something big, but generally, those
> > things are attributed to the speaker, not the spirit.
>
> Actually, when the Holy Spirit compels a person to speak, that person
> credits the words to GOD.
But you credit it to the Holy Spirit. QV previous comment on "quotation
marks."
> > If you're just
> > making stuff up that the Holy Spirit said to you, we call that "hearing
> > voices," and it's generally considered a symptom of deep psychosis.
>
> In my continued ever closer walk with Christ Jesus, HE keeps me
> completely well.
He keeps you completely delusional as to your own mental health. That
much is clear.
> > > > You just proved to me that you're not a doctor.
> >
> > He does this daily to hundreds. You are not the first who is convinced
> > he is not a doctor. Oddly, he is a doctor, though I think the term has
> > a false association with Quality that is proved false by Dr.
> > Chung-hole.
>
> Clearly, the truth is not with you.
And neither with you.
> > > Instead, GOD has compelled you to be the proof that you have been
> > > brainwashed to believe that hunger is bad just as Jolanna was...
> > >
> > > http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp
> >
> > So, Jolana ate some extra food and it made her hungry later.
>
> Not for those with discerning hearts:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/discern.asp
That has nothing to do with proving anything about Jolana and your
2PD-OMER Insanity.
> > > ... but is no longer:
> > >
> > > http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/1e8b65b045a29778?
> >
> > Then, she controlled herself with the addition of two powerful drugs.
> > Where 2lb insanity enters the picture, I have no idea. I say insanity,
> > because you maintain (falsely) that it is not a diet. So, for lack of
> > other words, let's call it the 2PD-OMER Insanity. It's catchy that way.
>
> Clearly, you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit.
Clearly, your sanity remains in question, at best.
I am embarrassed for you. You write about your nonsense like some cheap
tawdry sex magazine, only without the sex.
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
Dr. Chung. As to your repeated prayers on my behalf. Pray for one hand
and shit in the other and see which fills up first. Then, if you can
hold two pounds of crap or less in your hand, you can eat it and repeat
the experiment.
-Hollywood, praying for the healing cancer that only the lord can bring.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
maxlh...@gmail.com
conviction, and there is nothing noting anything.
I ask you again to do the following:
1- Remove my nom-de-guerre from your site.
2- Cease your slander, as I have not been convicted of anything by any
court, including your fictional God's since He doesn't judge until I'm
dead and I'm clearly not there yet.
3- Cease your infantile prayers on my behalf. My heart will continue to
beat without your meaningless requests of a God who is, at best,
disinterested and very possibly non-existant.
4- Reply to the content of my replies to you. I offer you this
courtesy, and you offer little but bad faith in return.
5- Leave us alone in ASDLC.
-Hollywood, half tempted to eat two lbs of sugar coated butter daily to
take your million.
MORONIC, FALSE MESSIAH Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Fired off the following
slander:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Convicted of what? I looked at the conversation you tagged as my
> conviction, and there is nothing noting anything.
>
> I ask you again to do the following:
> 1- Remove my nom-de-guerre from your site.
> 2- Cease your slander, as I have not been convicted of anything by any
> court, including your fictional God's since He doesn't judge until I'm
> dead and I'm clearly not there yet.
> 3- Cease your infantile prayers on my behalf. My heart will continue to
> beat without your meaningless requests of a God who is, at best,
> disinterested and very possibly non-existant.
> 4- Reply to the content of my replies to you. I offer you this
> courtesy, and you offer little but bad faith in return.
> 5- Leave us alone in ASDLC.
>
> -Hollywood, half tempted to eat two lbs of sugar coated butter daily to
> take your million.
Your behavior is no different from that of the others who have been
similarly convicted by the Holy Spirit:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/b6699aa5528a68c7?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/903da458d70f8d72?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/738371cca282df3a?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/43f3e1544b5d903f?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/43b490190edbbcf1?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/138d173df32cdaf6?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/c8e779fec218e7ae?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/2d782eeb8b0f2c4e?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/b78e5e4317f46c2f?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/942895d528b41c65?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/11f783944be6af98?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/6abf1494a5cd63de?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/78ce00e638c1e4fd?
Indeed, many like you have been convicted by the Holy Spirit:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
Thus, your behavior is an adverse reaction to the awesome power of
intercessory prayers made by the brethren of LORD Jesus Christ made to
our heavenly Father lifting up those like you who have been convicted
by HIM.
This is especially the case for convicted neighbor Flying Rat who is
masquerading as a demon. There is really no other explanation for why
someone would pretend to be a demon but choose wisely not become one by
blaspheming the Holy Spirit.
May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing our
diabetes, depression, anxiety or panic so that we can love our
neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a lot more dear neighbor
Art Deco
>Convicted neighbor Hollywood (maxlh...@gmail.com) wrote:
>
>> Convicted of what? I looked at the conversation you tagged as my
>> conviction, and there is nothing noting anything.
He won't answer this question.
How many more times will you be spamming your hate list, kook?
>Indeed, many like you have been convicted by the Holy Spirit:
>
>http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
>
>Thus, your behavior is an adverse reaction to the awesome FLUSH
Well, you can cross Hollywood off your list of potential $30 donors,
idiot.
[heft of support ngs flushed]
--
Official "netcabal.com demon"
Jaguar
Flying Rat YOU are an idol to me :)
Jaguar
Hollywood
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> similarly convicted by the Holy Spirit:
<links to nonconclusive rantings of Dr. Chung Deleted>
> Indeed, many like you have been convicted by the Holy Spirit:
<Judge and Jury Chung's List of Those who would Speak Truth to his
Nonsense deleted>
> Thus, your behavior is an adverse reaction to the awesome power of
> intercessory prayers made by the brethren of LORD Jesus Christ made to
> our heavenly Father lifting up those like you who have been convicted
> by HIM.
When I get a summons from HIM, I will worry. Till then, you have a
messianic complex that is not only not appealing but probably likely to
end you up in a very hot spot, afterlife wise, assuming that such
nonsense could exist.
<nonsense about someone I've never heard of deleted>
> May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing our
> diabetes, depression, anxiety or panic so that we can love our
> neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a lot more dear neighbor
> whom I love unconditionally.
Let's allow GOD to do what HE pleases, heal who HE feels like Healing,
etc. Let's assume there is a GOD, in the mold that you believe. He
ministers EVERYTHING in the world and EVERYONE in it. All six billion
and change of us. He knows everything and can do anything. If he knows
that I am in need of his "living water," why do you have to ask for it
for me? If he's cruel and capricious, perhaps that's required. But if
he is truly just and perfect, my need for "living water" or anything
else is already sated, without your intercession.
Of course, since I wouldn't be in need of his water if he didn't have a
design for me in the first place (remember, nothing happens without
him, he does everything and knows everything), so your prayers aren't
going to move his will, throw off his design, by one iota. So, your
prayers on my behalf, your own behalf, or on anyone's behalf, are in
vain. If HE wanted it changes, it would be changed already. If HE has a
grand design, the prayers of a moronic whacko aren't gonna move him.
QED.
Lastly, assume an omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient being. You
praying to him for my health is like my wife's cat praying to my father
in law for cat treats. My FIL lives 900 miles away and wasn't
particularly interested in my wife's cat when they shared a roof. You
are the cat, God is my FIL, disinterested and remote, busy with bigger
things.
-Hollywood, who just doesn't understand how these people can jibe their
mythology with reality. They don't fit.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > Your behavior is no different from that of the others who have been
> > similarly convicted by the Holy Spirit:
>
> <links to nonconclusive rantings of Dr. Chung Deleted>
Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
There really is no other explanation for your being compelled to type
about something that you have already deleted.
May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water so that we
can love our neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a lot more,
dear neighbor "Hollywood" whom I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love
Meanwhile, HIS brethren have been blessed:
http://MabletonGA.OurLittle.net/DreadNought
... and continue to be blessed:
http://MabletonGA.OurLittle.net/Guarantee
(note: Only those who are blessed by GOD will have access to these and
other related OurLittle.net articles per a secure IP database. All
others will have to make charitable $30.00 donations to
TheWellnessFoundation.com first to gain access.)
Jaguar
Is that all you can come back with chump? Whats wrong? Cat got your
tongue?
LOSER!!!
FYI Chump THERE IS NO GOD you fool.
Hollywood
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > > Your behavior is no different from that of the others who have been
> > > similarly convicted by the Holy Spirit:
> >
> > <links to nonconclusive rantings of Dr. Chung Deleted>
>
> Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
>
> There really is no other explanation for your being compelled to type
> about something that you have already deleted.
I, unlike unethical you, provided an explanation of what I deleted and
why I deleted it. If you insist on your judge/jury-complex insane
ranting "Convict List" being in this conversation, well, who I am to
say no. It only shows you to be nuts. Not that you need help.
> May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water so that we
> can love our neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a lot more,
> dear neighbor "Hollywood" whom I love unconditionally.
I guess you failed to read far enough down to where I PROVED that this
type of behavior (praying for some icky living water on my behalf) can
be nothing but ineffectual. Maybe you failed to follow. You definitely
failed to respond and failed to explain why you deleted it and why you
didn't answer it. I can fill in for you. You deleted it because it was
too much reality, too much sane thinking, that just might make you look
like an insane person (you are, so keeping up appearances to the
contrary is a waste of time). So, you deleted it. You didn't note it's
absence because admitted it ever existed punctures your convenient
little psychotic break. And answering it would have been impossible
without destroying the psychotic world you have created for yourself.
Here, lemme get in the spirit of your goofy private world: May The
Flying Spaghetti Monster heal us all with his living meatballs so that
we can love neighbors WORTHY of our love a lot more and not worry
overmuch about the Flying Spaghetti Monster, who is fully able to take
care of Himself, dear mental patient Chung whom I pity, unceasingly,
though with more than a little scorn and mockery.
> Prayerfully in The Flying Spaghetti Monster's saucy love,
>
> A Nut Job
<Links to his likely fraudulent Million Dollar Guarantee deleted, since
I can't get them to work>
I figured out how you are gonna raise the million to pay the person who
cannot do the s2PD-MORON DIET. You are gonna charge 333,334 people $30
each to see that you don't have the money. Very clever. Allow me to opt
out. You don't have the mil, and you're not getting my money to get it.
If you had it, you would post on one of your many websites all the
particulars, or how people could go about getting them without
financing you. The pay you to show your cards angle is pretty much
proof that you have no good intentions whatsoever.
-Hollywood
Cary Kittrell
Didn't you hear? Andrew says they have been moved to "a more
secure server" because "GOD has compelled" him to do so (which most of
us, of course, took to mean he's been TOSsed). But you can view
the original, cached, at:
>
> I figured out how you are gonna raise the million to pay the person who
> cannot do the s2PD-MORON DIET.
Well, given Chung's...extraordinary ... claims, don't you think
he'd be a shoo-in for the James Randi Million Dollar challenge?
Easy money, ey?
You are gonna charge 333,334 people $30
> each to see that you don't have the money. Very clever. Allow me to opt
> out. You don't have the mil, and you're not getting my money to get it.
> If you had it, you would post on one of your many websites all the
> particulars, or how people could go about getting them without
> financing you. The pay you to show your cards angle is pretty much
> proof that you have no good intentions whatsoever.
>
> -Hollywood
>
-- cary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > Convicted neighbor Hollywood wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
> > > > Your behavior is no different from that of the others who have been
> > > > similarly convicted by the Holy Spirit:
> > >
> > > <links to nonconclusive rantings of Dr. Chung Deleted>
> >
> > Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
> >
> > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
> >
> > There really is no other explanation for your being compelled to type
> > about something that you have already deleted.
>
> I, unlike unethical you, provided an explanation of what I deleted and
> why I deleted it.
There is nothing unethical about not crossing the bridges one does not
reach.
May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing our
diabetes, depression, anxiety or panic so that we can love our
neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a lot more, dear neighbor
Hollywood whom I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Cary Kittrell
> Convicted neighbor Hollywood wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > Convicted neighbor Hollywood wrote:
> > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > >
> > > > > Your behavior is no different from that of the others who have been
> > > > > similarly convicted by the Holy Spirit:
> > > >
> > > > <links to nonconclusive rantings of Dr. Chung Deleted>
> > >
> > > Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
> > >
> > > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
> > >
> > > There really is no other explanation for your being compelled to type
> > > about something that you have already deleted.
> >
> > I, unlike unethical you, provided an explanation of what I deleted and
> > why I deleted it.
>
> There is nothing unethical about not crossing the bridges one does not
> reach.
Twice now, in fact.
A bolder person would not have shied away twice.
-- cary
TigerLily
but if Chung was given $1 million dollars, he
would have to report it on his personal income tax
(he's claiming it wasn't made out to the wellness
foundation, but to himself personally)
wouldn't it be interesting to see if he declared
this money on his tax returns...... i guess he has
until Apr 30??? to declare this money
sure will be interesting.......
"Cary Kittrell" <ca...@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote
in message
news:enh1jj$7jd$1...@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
> In article
<1167852334.0...@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups
Kurt Gavin
check it out: http://www.evilbible.com/
"" This web site is designed to spread the vicious truth about the Bible.
For
far too long priests and preachers have completely ignored the vicious
criminal acts that the Bible promotes. The so called "God" of the Bible
makes Osama Bin Laden look like a Boy Scout. This God, according to the
Bible, is directly responsible for many mass-murders, rapes, pillage,
plunder, slavery, child abuse and killing, not to mention the killing of
unborn children. I have included references to the Biblical passages, so
grab your Bible and follow along. ""
Art Deco
>Convicted neighbor Hollywood wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>> > Your behavior is no different from that of the others who have been
>> > similarly convicted by the Holy Spirit:
>>
>> <links to nonconclusive rantings of Dr. Chung Deleted>
>
>Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
>
>http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
Clearly you remain a spammer.
>There really is no other explanation for your being compelled to type
>about something that you have already deleted.
Just another example of your hypocrisy.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > Convicted neighbor Hollywood wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > Convicted neighbor Hollywood wrote:
> > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > Your behavior is no different from that of the others who have been
> > > > > > similarly convicted by the Holy Spirit:
> > > > >
> > > > > <links to nonconclusive rantings of Dr. Chung Deleted>
> > > >
> > > > Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
> > > >
> > > > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
> > > >
> > > > There really is no other explanation for your being compelled to type
> > > > about something that you have already deleted.
> > >
> > > I, unlike unethical you, provided an explanation of what I deleted and
> > > why I deleted it.
> >
> > There is nothing unethical about not crossing the bridges one does not
> > reach.
>
> Twice now, in fact.
>
> A bolder person would not have shied away twice.
Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing our
diabetes, depression, anxiety or panic so that we can love our
neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a lot more, dear neighbor
Cary whom I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love
Meanwhile, HIS brethren have been blessed:
http://MabletonGA.OurLittle.net/DreadNought
... and continue to be blessed:
http://MabletonGA.OurLittle.net/Guarantee
(note: Only those who are blessed by LORD GOD Almighty, Creator of
heaven and earth, will have access to these and other related
OurLittle.net articles per a secure IP database maintained by
TheWellnessFoundation.com)
Cary Kittrell
> Convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > Convicted neighbor Hollywood wrote:
> > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > Convicted neighbor Hollywood wrote:
> > > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > > Your behavior is no different from that of the others who have been
> > > > > > > similarly convicted by the Holy Spirit:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > <links to nonconclusive rantings of Dr. Chung Deleted>
> > > > >
> > > > > Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
> > > > >
> > > > > There really is no other explanation for your being compelled to type
> > > > > about something that you have already deleted.
> > > >
> > > > I, unlike unethical you, provided an explanation of what I deleted and
> > > > why I deleted it.
> > >
> > > There is nothing unethical about not crossing the bridges one does not
> > > reach.
> >
> > Twice now, in fact.
> >
> > A bolder person would not have shied away twice.
>
> Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
A bolder person would not have shied away three times now.
-- cary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
"Without wisdom, a bolder person becomes a fool." -- Holy Spirit
Amen.
Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing our
diabetes, depression, anxiety, or panic so that we can love our
Cary Kittrell
Four times...
-- cary
Kurt Gavin
Harry
marika
"Hollywood" <maxlh...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> When I get a summons from HIM, I will worry.
Oh, I would love that. Too cool!
mk5000
Dear Henry, dear Henry,
Well, wet it dear Henry,
Dear Henry, wet it
marika
"Harry" <Ha...@Home.com> wrote in message news:459eb...@x-privat.org...>>
>>
> Please explain this.
>
>
>
I only sorta know.
at least one brother, supposedly somebody I've worked with, I haven't
bothered to specify for a name, probably some people I have forgotten.
I suppose I ought care.
I did good to decide last night to wear a tank top and shorts and not sweat
at a rock show.
mk5000
"The dancing is impressive- although Fosse's choreography and costumes do
look very odd today. Pants suits? What were they thinking? And as another
reviewer noted, Liza is very obviously lip synching in the dnace numbers.
For diehard fans it's a must have, of course. For me, it's a bizarre
combination of an almost embarrasingly needy performer begging for
affection, along with a vivid reminder of wathing her mother's slow,
on-screen disintigration on her TV show and the old Jack Parr show back when
I was a child. "--Michael J Edelman