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BusinessAc...@gmail.com

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Dec 7, 2007, 12:06:18 PM12/7/07
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I will assume that most on this list are familiar with Chung and what,
and how, he advocates.

I will also assume most are familiar with evidence based medicine and
will not repeat it here.

For a PhD candidate in the medical/scientific fields, he would have to
present evidence and it would not be the responsibilty of those giving
him the PhD to prove him wrong, but his responsibility to justify his
claims.

In the medical, and scientific, world it is the onus of the one
proposing something new to provide proof, not the others to disprove
it.

Since this is, at least in name, a medical site, then should expect
evidence based medical postings, especially by someone with an MD
after his name.

I would imagine most on this list are familiar with Chung's numerous
postings and what he advocates and that they are not based on medical
evidence but a "discerning heart."

Evidence based medicine is different from "discerning heart" based
medicine. There is no way to carry on a conversation between people
using the evidenced based and the discerning heart based.

Evidence based medicine has been around and successfully used for
years.

Chung's medical and PhD degrees and his specialty boards were based on
evidence based system.

Since Chung likes to quote scripture, need to look no further than
Proverbs 23:9 for trying to carry on any discussion with Chung:

Proverbs 23:9 (King James Version):

"Speak not in the ears of a fool: for he will despise the wisdom of
thy words."

listener

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Dec 7, 2007, 12:18:09 PM12/7/07
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BusinessAc...@gmail.com wrote in news:1b59de0c-833a-4330-98ec-
c7acce...@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com:

> I will assume that most on this list are familiar with Chung and what,
> and how, he advocates.

Clearly, Andrew Chung is mentally disturbed. Why some continue to argue and
bait him is beyond me. This has been going on for years and, IMO, is a
complete waste of time.

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Dec 7, 2007, 2:54:51 PM12/7/07
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convicted neighbor Frank (listener) wrote:
> satan via a sermite sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed:

>
> > I will assume that most on this list are familiar with Chung and what,
> > and how, he advocates.
>
> Clearly, Andrew Chung is mentally disturbed.

Your false witness is forgiven by me.

This simply shows that you are among the lost:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/dream.asp

> Why some continue to argue and bait him is beyond me.

Such is the effect of the light of the truth, Who is LORD Jesus
Christ, on the untruthful such as yourself...

... like moths drawn to the searing light of a lamp's flame.

The brethren of LORD Jesus Christ are neither perfect nor more
special...

... we are simply forgiven by GOD and willing serve as HIS uncovered
lamps:

http://www.interviewwithgod.com/forgiven/

> This has been going on for years and, IMO, is a
> complete waste of time.

Indeed, you do not have much time left, dear Frank (listener):

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Prophecy

May you wisely choose to surrender soon by publicly declaring with
your mouth that "Jesus is LORD:"

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords.

Al

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Dec 7, 2007, 3:39:33 PM12/7/07
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Andrew B. Chung, Off the wall asshole, wrote:

>
> Indeed, you do not have much time left, dear Frank (listener):
>

> Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
>

The fuck-up speaks.

J666

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Dec 7, 2007, 3:43:23 PM12/7/07
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Convicted Andrew B. Chung scribed

> convicted neighbor Frank (listener) wrote:
>
> > satan via a sermite sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed:
>
> > > I will assume that most on this list are familiar with Chung and what,
> > > and how, he advocates.
>
> > Clearly, Andrew Chung is mentally disturbed.
>
> Your false witness is forgiven by me.
>
> This simply shows that you are among the lost:
>

It does seem that listener was the one to bait Chung.

Chung is convicted too for lying so bearing false witness against a
liar is a double negative which means listener did nothing wrong.

J666

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Dec 7, 2007, 3:46:35 PM12/7/07
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Convicted Andrew B. Chung scribed did scribe

> > satan via a sermite sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed:

Wonder if Chung is antisermitic?
.

listener

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Dec 7, 2007, 4:47:01 PM12/7/07
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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heart...@emorycardiology.com> wrote in
news:e284d948-34a8-477d...@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com:


I rest my case.

He's a looney. I wouldn'tbe surprised if they found bodies in his
basement one day.

J666

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Dec 7, 2007, 5:42:35 PM12/7/07
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On Dec 7, 3:47 pm, listener <liste...@nospam.net>

> I rest my case.
>
> He's a looney. I wouldn'tbe surprised if they found bodies in his
> basement one day.

Since Chung refers to you as "convicted neighbor Frank (listener)." I
guess you are frankly speaking.

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Dec 7, 2007, 5:45:36 PM12/7/07
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convicted neighbor Frank (listener) wrote:
> I rest my case.

Without the LORD, you will lose your case and your life:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/JesusChrist

> He's a looney.

HE is GOD.

> I wouldn't be surprised if they found bodies in his basement one day.

The basement is hell:

http://www.av1611.org/hell.html

Upon HIS resurrection, HE took the keys to hell and death from satan.

Dearly departed Bob (this one) Pastorio now knows all about this just
as you will too soon if you unwisely choose to follow Bob:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob

Again, you do not have much longer, dear Frank (listener):

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Prophecy

May you wisely choose to surrender by publicly declaring with your

J666

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Dec 7, 2007, 6:08:15 PM12/7/07
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> convicted neighbor Frank (listener) did write about Chung
> > He's a looney.

Convicted Chung did scribe in response

> Without the LORD, you will lose your case and your life:

> HE is GOD.


QED


J666

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Dec 7, 2007, 6:18:37 PM12/7/07
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Convicted Andrew B. Chung did scribe

> convicted neighbor Frank (listener)

Congratulations listener, you have made it the the Chung Convicts page
- Chung says you have been convicted by the Holy Spirit who uses
amazingly uses Chung's web page.

http://heartmdphd.com/Convicts/


J666

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Dec 7, 2007, 6:25:57 PM12/7/07
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Chung

Your convict web page says: "They are in danger of becoming demons if
they unwisely choose to blaspheme HIM."

Are you really saying that being critical of you or disagreeing with
you is the same as blaspheming HIM.

Since you have chosen to shun God's gift to you, the medical and
scientific ability to get an MD and PhD and now deal with a
"discerning heart" rather than the scientific method, you are turning
against HIM and so you too are convicted.

Don Kirkman

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Dec 7, 2007, 7:20:30 PM12/7/07
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It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
article
<e284d948-34a8-477d...@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com>:

>Such is the effect of the light of the truth, Who is LORD Jesus
>Christ, on the untruthful such as yourself...

>... like moths drawn to the searing light of a lamp's flame.

I don't think so. Do you really believe moths are drawn to open flames
where they can have their wings burned off so they can get to their
destiny with the moth-god more quickly? I think science has discovered
that it is the *light* of the flame that attracts them--and many other
kinds of insects as well. Moral: More light, less heat, Doctor.
--
Don Kirkman

Cary Kittrell

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Dec 7, 2007, 8:15:31 PM12/7/07
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Yo, Frank! Welcome to the Club of Those Who Do Not Have
Much Longer.

We're quite an old and established outfit, actually.

We're hoping to be able to induct a few more members before
our procurer, Doctor Chung, does one of his periodic
compulsive-mantra switches, and stops providing us with new
acolytes.

(some of our older and more nostalgic members hope his
new compulsive mantra will be a revival of the classic
"anything you say to me is a tell for satan's mark
on your forehead", but as these periodic flips are
random, we'll have to take what we get)


Cheers!


-- cary

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Dec 7, 2007, 8:21:04 PM12/7/07
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convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> >Such is the effect of the light of the truth, Who is LORD Jesus
> >Christ, on the untruthful such as yourself...
>
> >... like moths drawn to the searing light of a lamp's flame.
>
> I don't think so.

Without the LORD, what you think is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).

> Do you really believe moths are drawn to open flames
> where they can have their wings burned off so they can get to their
> destiny with the moth-god more quickly?

Nothing about a "moth-god" has been written here.

Bottom line:

You remain pathologically untruthful.

This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict
you:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts

May we, who are Jesus' brethren, continue to pray for you:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/PrayForDon

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Dec 7, 2007, 8:24:32 PM12/7/07
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Sad to see that you are still sitting on the fence.

May we, who are Jesus' brethren, continue to pray for you:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/PrayForCary

Cary Kittrell

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Dec 7, 2007, 8:21:07 PM12/7/07
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In article <cjnjl353a36speuii...@4ax.com> don...@wavecable.com writes:
> It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
> article
> <e284d948-34a8-477d...@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com>:
>
> >Such is the effect of the light of the truth, Who is LORD Jesus
> >Christ, on the untruthful such as yourself...
>
> >... like moths drawn to the searing light of a lamp's flame.
>
> I don't think so.

Well, sure, but without the LORD, all your thoughts are meaningless
(somewhere in or near Ecclesiastes, apparently; Andrew refuses
to be more specific. with good reason).

Amazing, given that, how often you're spot on.

> Do you really believe moths are drawn to open flames
> where they can have their wings burned off so they can get to their
> destiny with the moth-god more quickly? I think science has discovered
> that it is the *light* of the flame that attracts them--and many other
> kinds of insects as well. Moral: More light, less heat, Doctor.


Actually that bizarre behavior seems to be a result of the
fact that moths will fly so as to maintain a fixed angle
with the moon. As a navigational algorithm, this works
great -- if your light source is effectively at infinity.
But if your source, your highly unnatural light source, is
actually close by, the result is a circle, and that circle tends
to tighten up into a spiral, with unfortunate consequences.


(obligatory "no such thing as fortune" goes here...)


-- cary

J666

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Dec 7, 2007, 10:35:00 PM12/7/07
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On Dec 7, 7:15 pm, c...@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote

>Yo, Frank! Welcome to the Club of Those Who Do Not Have
>Much Longer.

> We're quite an old and established outfit, actually.

Actually I, and some others, were on the list and are not it any more
- do not know if I have been found not guilty or pardoned or have
moved on to an "A" list that is even beyond Chung's web page.

Chung King is a common name for Chinese restaurants, but in this case
it brings an all new meaning.

With the TV writers on strike and no new comedy shows, this is quite
good - keep it up Chung and be Chung Ho.

Mark K. Bilbo

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Dec 8, 2007, 3:23:39 PM12/8/07
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Well, as Mark (this one), I'd tell you Cary (that one) that Andy (crazy
one) is...

Carp, I forgot what I was going to say (which one).


--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
“Every normal man must be tempted at times
to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and
begin to slit throats.”

- H. L. Mencken

:-)

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Dec 8, 2007, 6:28:06 PM12/8/07
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J666 wrote:
> Chung

> Are you really saying that being critical of you or disagreeing with
> you is the same as blaspheming HIM.

It seems that he maintains that every single thing he writes, is under
the direct dictation of God. Therefore anything single thing you have
to say against what Andy writes, you're actually saying it directly
against God.
What, do you have a problem with that?

:-)

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Dec 8, 2007, 6:39:18 PM12/8/07
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> Without the LORD, what you think is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).

Then why do you reply?
Then why do you get bothered by things like being called the Q word?
Seems like you should have cast the dust from your feet and stopped
casing pearls before swine quite some time ago.

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