Common Salt Intake?
kumar
"The increased intake in salt [since] has apparently played an
important role in the increase in the consumption of soft drinks and,
hence, also in the increase in energy intake," wrote authors Dr. Heikki
Karppanen of the University of Helsinki and Dr. Eero Mervaala of the
University of Kuopio.
"Higher consumption of sweetened beverages was associated with both a
greater magnitude of weight gain and an increase risk for development
of type-2 diabetes," they wrote."
http://www.bakeryandsnacks.com/news/ng.asp?n=71941-salt-obesity-sodium
"
"To our surprise, the sales figures of the American Salt Institute
divulged that salt intake increased more than 50 % in USA during 15
years from mid-1980s to the late 1990s", says Professor Karppanen. The
study reports that the prevalence of high blood pressure, which had
long shown a decreasing trend, turned to a marked increase
concomitantly with the increase in salt intake.
Perhaps the most interesting finding of the study is the close link
between salt intake and obesity. The study reports that increasing
intakes of sodium (salt) obligatorily produce a progressive increase in
thirst. The progressive increase in the average intake of salt explains
the observed concomitant increase in the intake of beverages which, in
turn, has caused a marked net increase in the intake of calories during
the same period in the United States.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/11/061101151027.htm "
Above links relate salt intake with many CV related problems. But it is
also related to getting obesity and diabetes. Sugar and salt are
co-transpoted from intestine to blood as active transport mechanism.
Personally being diabetic, I do get control on overeating by decreasing
or discontinuing added salt intake for some time. Being hypertensive,
my father take restricted salt intake and do has best diet
control(surprising to us) since more than last 15 years.
Can you furthur evaluate it?
Best wishes
Kumar
kumar wrote:
Accidently I got it;
"There were no natrums in the Garden of Eden until Adam and Eve evoked
the wrath of the Creator. From then on they were ashamed, and led
difficult lives far from the gates of Paradise, where they considered
themselves sinners, and longed to return to home. This little allegory
is very appropriate for describing the origins of the Natrum psyche,
which now is the psyche of the majority of Humanity."
Is it right?
spam...@spam.heaven
wrote:
Homeopathic bullshit, sorry
jack
Kumar
On Jan 24, 4:23 pm, spamf...@spam.heaven wrote:
> On 24 Jan 2007 01:54:52 -0800, "Kumar" <lordshiva5...@rediffmail.com>
Leave it. What about my first post?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
> Hello,
>
> "The increased intake in salt [since] has apparently played an
> important role in the increase in the consumption of soft drinks and,
> hence, also in the increase in energy intake," wrote authors Dr. Heikki
> Karppanen of the University of Helsinki and Dr. Eero Mervaala of the
> University of Kuopio.
>
> "Higher consumption of sweetened beverages was associated with both a
> greater magnitude of weight gain and an increase risk for development
> of type-2 diabetes," they wrote."http://www.bakeryandsnacks.com/news/ng.asp?n=71941-salt-obesity-sodium
> "
>
> "To our surprise, the sales figures of the American Salt Institute
> divulged that salt intake increased more than 50 % in USA during 15
> years from mid-1980s to the late 1990s", says Professor Karppanen. The
> study reports that the prevalence of high blood pressure, which had
> long shown a decreasing trend, turned to a marked increase
> concomitantly with the increase in salt intake.
>
> Perhaps the most interesting finding of the study is the close link
> between salt intake and obesity. The study reports that increasing
> intakes of sodium (salt) obligatorily produce a progressive increase in
> thirst. The progressive increase in the average intake of salt explains
> the observed concomitant increase in the intake of beverages which, in
> turn, has caused a marked net increase in the intake of calories during
>
> Above links relate salt intake with many CV related problems. But it is
> also related to getting obesity and diabetes. Sugar and salt are
> co-transpoted from intestine to blood as active transport mechanism.
> Personally being diabetic, I do get control on overeating by decreasing
> or discontinuing added salt intake for some time. Being hypertensive,
> my father take restricted salt intake and do has best diet
> control(surprising to us) since more than last 15 years.
>
> Can you furthur evaluate it?
Salt enhances the flavor of food so that foods taste better.
Better tasting food does make folks hungry.
Again, the weight gain is arising because of overeating that is
occurring because of the false belief that "hunger is bad."
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://EmoryCardiology.com
kumar
As you said, taste can be dependant on body status of any nutrient.
As such, can defficiency of any nutrient cause increased taste and
hunger for that nutrient and opposite on nutrients sufficiency or
excesses?
Can defficiency of any nutrient cause increased taste and hunger for
food (in general) and opposite on any nutrients sufficiency or
excesses?
Can defficiency or excessiveness of any nutrient cause excessess or
defficiency of other nutrients respectively due to more or less food
intake?
Probably, K supplements may help to diabetics. Mg defficiency is
related to K defficiency. What this Mg can do for K influx?
Art Deco
>Salt enhances the flavor of food so that foods taste better.
>
>Better tasting food does make folks hungry.
>
>Again, the weight gain is arising because of overeating that is
>occurring because of the false belief that "hunger is bad."
More idiocy.
--
"To err is human, to cover it up is Weasel" -- Dogbert
ah
> False prophet Andrew B. Chung spammed:
>
>>Salt enhances the flavor of food so that foods taste better.
>>
>>Better tasting food does make folks hungry.
>>
>>Again, the weight gain is arising because of overeating that is
>>occurring because of the false belief that "hunger is bad."
>
> More idiocy.
Obviously, Dr. Chung has absolutely no idea what "Fluid and Electrolyte
Balance" is all about.
Good thing he's not speciali(s)ing in, for example, cardiovascular medicine.
Art Deco
ah
*shudders*
Double-A
On Jan 27, 8:31 pm, ah <splifing...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Art Deco wrote:
What is it you like about Art Deco, ah?
It is the profound Earth Science Officers of alt.astronomy who are the
salt of the Earth!
Double-A
Art Deco
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
> As such, can defficiency of any nutrient cause increased taste and
> hunger for that nutrient and opposite on nutrients sufficiency or
> excesses?
Deficiency of essential nutritients leads to poor health and anorexia.
> Can defficiency of any nutrient cause increased taste and hunger for
> food (in general) and opposite on any nutrients sufficiency or
> excesses?
You have it backwards.
> Can defficiency or excessiveness of any nutrient cause excessess or
> defficiency of other nutrients respectively due to more or less food
> intake?
When there is overeating there is overnutrition.
> Probably, K supplements may help to diabetics. Mg defficiency is
> related to K defficiency. What this Mg can do for K influx?
Where there is overeating there is no deficiencies.
Having VAT means you are overnourished and not undernourished.
Truth is simple.
Kumar
On Jan 28, 12:41 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com>
> > excesses?Deficiency of essential nutritients leads to poor health and anorexia.
>
> > Can defficiency of any nutrient cause increased taste and hunger for
> > food (in general) and opposite on any nutrients sufficiency or
> > excesses?You have it backwards.
>
> > Can defficiency or excessiveness of any nutrient cause excessess or
> > defficiency of other nutrients respectively due to more or less food
> > intake?
>When there is overeating there is overnutrition.
Why such overeating can't be right eating of one nutrient but
overeating of others?
> > Probably, K supplements may help to diabetics. Mg defficiency is
> > related to K defficiency. What this Mg can do for K influx?Where there is overeating there is no deficiencies.
>
As above.
"Magnesium is a cofactor in more than 300 enzyme regulated reactions.
Most importantly forming and using ATP, i.e. kinase. There is a direct
effect on sodium- (Na), potassium- (K) and calcium (Ca)channels. It
has several effects:
**Potassium channels are inhibited by magnesium. Hypomagnesemia
results in increased efflux of intracellular Mg. The cell loses
potassium which then is excreted by the kidneys, resulting in
hypokalemia. **
Release of calcium from the sarcoplasmic reticulum is inhibited by
magnesium. Low levels of magnesium stimulate the release of calcium
and thereby an intracellular level of calcium. This effect similar to
calcium inhibitors makes it "nature's calcium inhibitor." Lack of
magnesium inhibits the release of parathyroid hormone, which can also
result in hypocalcemia. Furthermore, it makes skeletal and muscle
receptors less sensitive to parathyroid hormone.
Through relaxation of bronchial smooth muscle it causes
bronchodilation.
The neurological effects are:
reducing electrical excitation
blocking release of acetylcholine
blocking N-methyl-D-aspartate, an excitatory neurotransmitter of the
central nervous system
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypomagnesemia "
"Hypomagnesemia can also cause hypokalemia, as magnesium is required
for the adequate processing of potassium. This may come to light when
hypokalemia persists despite potassium supplementation. Other
electrolyte abnormalities may also be present. "
> Having VAT means you are overnourished and not undernourished.
>
May not be overnourished in all nutients in foods inspite overeating..
> Truth is simple.
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhDhttp://EmoryCardiology.com- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -
ah
I can't tolerate salt.
Art Deco
>I can't tolerate pepper!
>
>Double-A
Yet you tolerate outhouse john and war-fizzy. Why is that?
Double-A
On Jan 28, 8:07 am, Art Deco <erfc-1...@usa.net> wrote:
Thanks for forwarding that to demon.local for me, Art.
This new version of Google Groups is a trick to drive!
Double-A
nemo
"Art Deco" <erfc...@usa.net> wrote in message
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> False prophet Andrew B. Chung spammed:
>
> >Salt enhances the flavor of food so that foods taste better.
> >
> >Better tasting food does make folks hungry.
> >
> >Again, the weight gain is arising because of overeating that is
> >occurring because of the false belief that "hunger is bad."
>
> More idiocy.
>
> --
to make it flow better is the *real* idiocy.
spam...@spam.heaven
<lov...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>Deficiency of essential nutritients leads to poor health and anorexia.
Doesn't it depend on which ones? And how defficient?
>> Can defficiency of any nutrient cause increased taste and hunger for
>> food (in general) and opposite on any nutrients sufficiency or
>> excesses?
>
>You have it backwards.
Is he referring to pica, perhaps?
>> Can defficiency or excessiveness of any nutrient cause excessess or
>> defficiency of other nutrients respectively due to more or less food
>> intake?
>
>When there is overeating there is overnutrition.
Only in the nutrients being overeaten, surely
>> Probably, K supplements may help to diabetics. Mg defficiency is
>> related to K defficiency. What this Mg can do for K influx?
>
>Where there is overeating there is no deficiencies.
V3ery misleading, Andrew. Many American (and Australians) overeat and
are deficient in many vital nutrients.
jack
ah
Sew?
Double-A
it up!
Double-A
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> >Deficiency of essential nutritients leads to poor health and anorexia.
>
> Doesn't it depend on which ones?
No.
> And how defficient?
No.
> >> Can defficiency of any nutrient cause increased taste and hunger for
> >> food (in general) and opposite on any nutrients sufficiency or
> >> excesses?
> >
> >You have it backwards.
>
> Is he referring to pica, perhaps?
Pica is a craving for something other than food.
> >> Can defficiency or excessiveness of any nutrient cause excessess or
> >> defficiency of other nutrients respectively due to more or less food
> >> intake?
> >
> >When there is overeating there is overnutrition.
>
> Only in the nutrients being overeaten, surely
Food by definition contain nutrients.
It logically follows from this definition that a person who is eating
excessive amounts of food will be overnourished rather than
undernourished.
> >> Probably, K supplements may help to diabetics. Mg defficiency is
> >> related to K defficiency. What this Mg can do for K influx?
> >
> >Where there is overeating there are no deficiencies.
>
> V3ery misleading, Andrew. Many American (and Australians) overeat and
> are deficient in many vital nutrients.
Not the ones who have a healthy appetite (ie hungry).
"Hunger is good." -- Holy Spirit
Amen.
"Blessed are you who hunger now for you will be satisfied." -- LORD
Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)
Amen ! Laus Deo ! ! ! Marana tha ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Father Haskell
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD barfed up this disgusting mess:
>
>
>
> >> >Deficiency of essential nutritients leads to poor health and
> anorexia.
>
> >> Doesn't it depend on which ones?
>
> > No.
>
> >> And how defficient?
>
> > No.
>
> to poor health as long the person has no other nutritional deficiencies?
> I very seriously doubt that. In fact, in the case of potassium, I
> believe a severe enough deficiency can be fatal.
>
> >> Only in the nutrients being overeaten, surely
>
> > Food by definition contain nutrients.
>
> > It logically follows from this definition that a person who is eating
> > excessive amounts of food will be overnourished rather than
> > undernourished.
>
> you fucking stupid? (The second question is rhetorical.)
Our good Dr. Mengele was talking about
the most important nutrient of all, acetone.
ah
"I'm sorry, but I can't do that, Dave."
Double-A
Atchoo!
ah
Double-A
Space Shuttle?
ah
Double-A
Nice aerial display!
Did you see the "next day" picture, "The Sun Explodes"?
Doomed again!
ah
It's, uh, been doing that for, oh, at least a billion years. Probably do
it for--at least--another billion.
How old are you NB? 24? 31?
The chances of things falling-apart in the next fifty years is, well, as
close to nil as anything can get.
Unless you get Chung as your heart specialist, that is . . . .
Double-A
Really?
> Probably do
> it for--at least--another billion.
Wow!
>
> How old are you NB? 24? 31?
>
11, you old fart!
> The chances of things falling-apart in the next fifty years is, well, as
> close to nil as anything can get.
Then why are the polar caps melting?
> Unless you get Chung as your heart specialist, that is . . .
Don't worry about that. I don't believe in doctors!
Double-A
ah
Well, then . . . change the following to read "in the next eighty years".
>
>
>> The chances of things falling-apart in the next fifty years is, well, as
>> close to nil as anything can get.
>
>
> Then why are the polar caps melting?
Why do icesicles melt?
>
>
>> Unless you get Chung as your heart specialist, that is . . .
>
>
> Don't worry about that. I don't believe in doctors!
"There's no place like home! There's no place like home!"
Double-A
Because the Sun is out of control!
>
> >> Unless you get Chung as your heart specialist, that is . . .
>
> > Don't worry about that. I don't believe in doctors!
>
> "There's no place like home! There's no place like home!"
That's right. But even if you don't go out looking for trouble, it
will come looking for you. There's no escape!
ah
>>
>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>
>> >> >> >>http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0702/mcnaught3_kemppainen.jpg
>>
>> >> >> > Space Shuttle?
>>
>> >> >>http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap070205.html
>>
>> >> > Nice aerial display!
>>
>> >> > Did you see the "next day" picture, "The Sun Explodes"?
>>
>> >> > Doomed again!
>>
>> >> It's, uh, been doing that for, oh, at least a billion years.
>>
>> > Really?
Duh.
>>
>> >> Probably do
>> >> it for--at least--another billion.
>>
>> > Wow!
>>
>> >> How old are you NB? 24? 31?
>>
>> > 11, you old fart!
>>
>> Well, then . . . change the following to read "in the next eighty years".
>>
>> >> The chances of things falling-apart in the next fifty years is, well, as
>> >> close to nil as anything can get.
>>
>> > Then why are the polar caps melting?
>>
>> Why do icesicles melt?
>
> Because the Sun is out of control!
From whence is this supposed control alleged to originate?
>
>>
>> >> Unless you get Chung as your heart specialist, that is . . .
>>
>> > Don't worry about that. I don't believe in doctors!
>>
>> "There's no place like home! There's no place like home!"
>
> That's right. But even if you don't go out looking for trouble, it
> will come looking for you. There's no escape!
It's inevitable: we will all eventually traverse the purple holes at the
centers of our galaxies.
Double-A
> Double-A wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>> [...]
>
> >> >> >> >>http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0702/mcnaught3_kemppainen.jpg
>
> >> >> >> > Space Shuttle?
>
> >> >> >>http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap070205.html
>
> >> >> > Nice aerial display!
>
> >> >> > Did you see the "next day" picture, "The Sun Explodes"?
>
> >> >> > Doomed again!
>
> >> >> It's, uh, been doing that for, oh, at least a billion years.
>
> >> > Really?
>
> Duh.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >> >> Probably do
> >> >> it for--at least--another billion.
>
> >> > Wow!
>
> >> >> How old are you NB? 24? 31?
>
> >> > 11, you old fart!
>
> >> Well, then . . . change the following to read "in the next eighty years".
>
> >> >> The chances of things falling-apart in the next fifty years is, well, as
> >> >> close to nil as anything can get.
>
> >> > Then why are the polar caps melting?
>
> >> Why do icesicles melt?
>
> > Because the Sun is out of control!
>
> From whence is this supposed control alleged to originate?
>From the big contol freak in the sky!
> >> >> Unless you get Chung as your heart specialist, that is . . .
>
> >> > Don't worry about that. I don't believe in doctors!
>
> >> "There's no place like home! There's no place like home!"
>
> > That's right. But even if you don't go out looking for trouble, it
> > will come looking for you. There's no escape!
>
> It's inevitable: we will all eventually traverse the purple holes at the
> centers of our galaxies.
I think you'll be getting lowered into a hole much closer to home long
before that!
ah
CIA?
>
>> >> >> Unless you get Chung as your heart specialist, that is . . .
>>
>> >> > Don't worry about that. I don't believe in doctors!
>>
>> >> "There's no place like home! There's no place like home!"
>>
>> > That's right. But even if you don't go out looking for trouble, it
>> > will come looking for you. There's no escape!
>>
>> It's inevitable: we will all eventually traverse the purple holes at the
>> centers of our galaxies.
>
>
> I think you'll be getting lowered into a hole much closer to home long
> before that!
Duh.
Double-A
Is that all you can say for yourself?
ah
Is that not enough?
Double-A
I suppose, if that's all you want on your tombstone!
ah
Why should I care?
Double-A
I want Canadian bacon and cheese on my Tombstone Pizza!
ah
Good L0rd, Man! Think of the cholesterol!
Double-A
And the salt!
And it's deliciously non-kosher!
ah
You an Anti-Semite, AA?
Double-A
Not at all. My posting history will bear that out.
But neither am I Semite.
Just prefer '"west coast style" pizza.
I have no problem at all with washing it down with Manishevitz wine!
ah
Oho! Fence-sitter!
>
> Just prefer '"west coast style" pizza.
>
> I have no problem at all with washing it down with Manishevitz wine!
What type of climate favo(u)rs these "Manishevitz" grapes?
Double-A
New York State climate and that of other northeastern US states were
the concord grape is native. What kind of grapes do they grow in that
desert where you live?
ah
Grapenuts.
kumar
In view of NaCl related to hypertension and Potassium(has vasodilating
effect), whether NaCl or Na and Cl is/are vasocostrictor/s?
Double-A
And you probably put them in the microwave to soften them up first.
Easier to gum them that way.
Double-A
ah
Quiet, Child--you know nothing of which you speak!
Double-A
You don't know mush!
Double-A
ah
Oh, I know mush.
Double-A
How about gruel?
ah
Yup; that, too.
Double-A
How about stool?
You don't know shit, do you?
ah
I had quite a few bowel movements in my day . . . it was, well, easier, then.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
> In view of NaCl related to hypertension and Potassium(has vasodilating
> effect), whether NaCl or Na and Cl is/are vasocostrictor/s?
No, salt is not a vasoconstrictor.
Instead, it is a flavor enhancer.
When added in optimal amounts, the food tastes better making folks
hungrier and able to eat more. The latter leading to visceral adipose
tissue results in higher blood pressures.
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://EmoryCardiology.com
Double-A
Really? You should be drinking more cheap gut rot wine! Old winos
never have a problem going. Their only problem is not going in their
pants!
Double-A
ah
Give me some good advice, please.
Double-A
OK. Three shots of Bacardi's 151 and prune juice before every meal.
You will never need a laxative again!
ah
Filth!
Double-A
Well, you could take just the prune juice, but your wouldn't enjoy
your regimen near as much.
ah
My bowels move just fine, thank you.
Double-A
But you said your bowl movements used to be easier. Cascara bark tea
might help too. Have any cascara trees around the plantation?
Art Deco
These saucerheads have strange obsessions.
--
Supreme Leader of the Brainwashed Followers of Art Deco
"To err is human, to cover it up is Weasel" -- Dogbert
ah
No samples requested, yet, thankfully.
Art Deco
Fluffy does still rule usenet.
spam...@spam.heaven
<lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>neighbor umar wrote:
>>
>> In view of NaCl related to hypertension and Potassium(has vasodilating
>> effect), whether NaCl or Na and Cl is/are vasocostrictor/s?
>
>No, salt is not a vasoconstrictor.
>
>Instead, it is a flavor enhancer.
>
>When added in optimal amounts, the food tastes better making folks
>hungrier and able to eat more. The latter leading to visceral adipose
>tissue results in higher blood pressures.
Are you claiming that there are no folk who have optimal VAT and yet
hypertension that can be reduced by cutting their salt intake?
There are certainly animal models of this.
jack
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >neighbor kumar wrote:
> >>
> >> In view of NaCl related to hypertension and Potassium(has vasodilating
> >> effect), whether NaCl or Na and Cl is/are vasocostrictor/s?
> >
> >No, salt is not a vasoconstrictor.
> >
> >Instead, it is a flavor enhancer.
> >
> >When added in optimal amounts, the food tastes better making folks
> >hungrier and able to eat more. The latter leading to visceral adipose
> >tissue results in higher blood pressures.
>
> Are you claiming that there are no folk who have optimal VAT and yet
> hypertension that can be reduced by cutting their salt intake?
> There are certainly animal models of this.
There are no animal models of NaCl being a vasoconstrictor.
On the otherhand, there are human examples of increasing VAT
increasing blood pressure:
Director Morgan Spurlock would be the most well-documented
(SuperSizeMe) example.
ah
ALL HAIL FLUFFY!!#1
Double-A
Phineas T Puddleduck
"Double-A" <doub...@hush.ai> wrote:
Wow that scat obsession is pretty intense huh?
--
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Saucerheads - denying the blatantly obvious since 2000.
ah
Please stop thinking about my colon.
Starlord
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heavens.
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Double-A
wrote:
> It would be a lot better if you'd cut back on all that stupid over quoting.
>
> --
You tell 'em, Starlord!
Double-A
> There are those who believe that life here, began out there, far across the
> universe, with tribes of humans, who may have been the forefathers of the
> Egyptians, or the Toltecs, or the Mayans. Some believe that they may yet be
> brothers of man, who even now fight to survive, somewhere beyond the
> heavens.
>
> The Lone Sidewalk Astronomer of Rosamond
> Telescope Buyers FAQhttp://home.inreach.com/starlord
> Sidewalk Astronomywww.sidewalkastronomy.info
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>
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Art Deco
Phineas T Puddleduck
"Double-A" <doub...@hush.ai> wrote:
> On Feb 18, 8:00 am, "Starlord" <starl...@sidewalkastronomy.info>
> wrote:
> > It would be a lot better if you'd cut back on all that stupid over quoting.
> >
> > --
>
>
> You tell 'em, Starlord!
>
> Double-A
Wow. Surprisingly enough Double AA manages to make himself even more pathetic.
Phineas T Puddleduck
Art Deco <er...@caballista.org> wrote:
ALL HAIL FLUFFY!!#3
Starlord
the rest down in the Cyber Black Hole.
--
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universe, with tribes of humans, who may have been the forefathers of the
Egyptians, or the Toltecs, or the Mayans. Some believe that they may yet be
brothers of man, who even now fight to survive, somewhere beyond the
heavens.
The Lone Sidewalk Astronomer of Rosamond
Telescope Buyers FAQ
http://home.inreach.com/starlord
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"Phineas T Puddleduck" <phineasp...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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Double-A
wrote:
> That did it, a massive over quoted cross posted pile of B.S. Someone joins
> the rest down in the Cyber Black Hole.
>
> --
Smooth move, Starlord.
Double-A
Double-A
Then quit mooning!
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You need a blow-up doll. Bad!
Art Deco
Art Deco
With whiskers.
Double-A
My interest was only clinical.
I you think anyone would have any other kind of interest in your
wrinkled old ass, then you are further into senile dementia than I
thought!
spam...@spam.heaven
<lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>neighbor Jack (spam...@spam.heaven) wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >neighbor kumar wrote:
>> >>
>> >> In view of NaCl related to hypertension and Potassium(has vasodilating
>> >> effect), whether NaCl or Na and Cl is/are vasocostrictor/s?
>> >
>> >No, salt is not a vasoconstrictor.
>> >
>> >Instead, it is a flavor enhancer.
>> >
>> >When added in optimal amounts, the food tastes better making folks
>> >hungrier and able to eat more. The latter leading to visceral adipose
>> >tissue results in higher blood pressures.
>>
>> Are you claiming that there are no folk who have optimal VAT and yet
>> hypertension that can be reduced by cutting their salt intake?
>> There are certainly animal models of this.
>
>There are no animal models of NaCl being a vasoconstrictor.
I didn't say there was. I said there are animal models for
hypertension in normal weight individuals which is brought on by salt
in the diet, and reduced by reducing the dietary salt.
If you recall, you said that the mechanism was in eating more, an
indirect effect of the salt, but I'm contending that salt in some
normal weight individuals can increase blood pressure.
>On the otherhand, there are human examples of increasing VAT
>increasing blood pressure:
>
>Director Morgan Spurlock would be the most well-documented
>(SuperSizeMe) example.
Couldn't agree more.
jack
Kumar
wrote:
> neighbor umar wrote:
>
> > In view of NaCl related to hypertension and Potassium(has vasodilating
> > effect), whether NaCl or Na and Cl is/are vasocostrictor/s?
>
> No, salt is not a vasoconstrictor.
Many studies indicate it;
" Thus increases in [NaCl][e] within the physiologic range enhance
coronary smooth muscle contraction to 5-HT by a mechanism possibly
involving Ca[2+] entry via the reverse mode of the Na[+]/Ca[2+]
exchanger, but not Ca[2+] release from the intracellular stores. The
reduction of coronary contraction with supraphysiologic [NaCl][e] in
both Ca[2+]-containing and Ca[2+]-free Krebs could be related to
excessive increases in ionic strength and may mask significant
coronary vasoconstrictor effects of physiologic increases in [NaCl]
[e].
http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=13767982 "
"Thus short-term administration of high-sodium diet appears to
potentiate vasoconstrictor responses to ANG II by facilitating
sympathetic neurotransmission, and long-term administration of high-
sodium diet raises SBP by potentiating the trophic vascular effects of
ANG II. The interaction appears to be specific to ANG II and is
occurring on the vascular level.
http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=2815326 "
> Instead, it is a flavor enhancer.
>
> When added in optimal amounts, the food tastes better making folks
> hungrier and able to eat more. The latter leading to visceral adipose
> tissue results in higher blood pressures.
>
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I beg your pardon!
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ROLF!
Art Deco
Art Deco
Just more saucerhead lames, pay them no mind.