Re: Diabetes Mellitus
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
accounts for 90-95% of cases in the industrialized nations in this
world, is by losing the black fat (VAT):
http://HeartMDPhD.com/BlackFat
This occurs by eating less, down to the right amount:
A simple parable given in hopes of promoting understanding:
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier
Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow
Rehana wrote:
> what are the means to control diabetes? anyone can answer me on this?
John Williamson
> The means by which to possibly cure type-2 diabetes mellitus, which
> accounts for 90-95% of cases in the industrialized nations in this
> world, is by losing the black fat (VAT):
>
following the treatment you recommend?
Not counting gestational or drug induced diabetes, as these are known to
be self limiting in some cases.
--
Tciao for Now!
John.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > The means by which to possibly cure type-2 diabetes mellitus, which
> > accounts for 90-95% of cases in the industrialized nations in this
> > world, is by losing the black fat (VAT):
> >
>
> Can you point to one single documented case where this has happened by
> following the treatment you recommend?
Eating less, down to the right amount, is not a treatment but rather
is simply just being smart:
Again, a simple parable in hopes of promoting understanding:
Being dumber would be having someone force you to eat less by making
it impossible for you to eat more:
"Diabetes was cured in 92%." -- Bariatric Surgeon
Source:
Obes Surg. 2007 Nov;17(11):1421-30.
Department of Surgery, Laval University, Laval Hospital, Québec,
Canada. picard....@chg.ulaval.ca
BACKGROUND: This report summarizes our 15-year experience with
duodenal switch (DS) as a primary procedure on 1,423 patients from
1992 to 2005. METHODS: Within the last 2 years, follow-up of these
patients, including clinical biochemistry evaluation by us or by their
local physician is 97%. RESULTS: Survival rate was 92% after DS. The
risk of death (Excess Hazard Ratio (EHR)) was 1.2, almost that of the
general population. After a mean of 7.3 years (range 2-15), 92% of
patients with an initial BMI < or = 50 kg/m2 obtained a BMI < 35 and
83% of those with an initial BMI > 50 obtained a BMI < 40. Diabetes
was cured (i.e. medication was discontinued) in 92% and medication
decreased in the others. The use of the CPAP apparatus was
discontinued in 90%, medication for asthma was decreased in 88%, and
the prevalence of a cardiac risk index > 5 was decreased by 86%.
Patients' satisfaction in regard to weight loss was graded 3.6 on a
basis of 5, and 95% of patients were satisfied with the overall
results. Operative mortality was 1% which is comparable with gastric
bypass surgery. The need for revision for malnutrition was rare (0.7%)
and total reversal was exceptional (0.2%). Failure to lose > 25% of
initial excess weight was 1.3%. Revision for failure to lose
sufficient weight was needed in only 1.5%. Severe anemia, deficiency
in vitamins or bone damage were exceptional, easily treatable,
preventable and no permanent damage was documented. CONCLUSION: In the
long-term, DS was very efficient in terms of cure rate for morbid
obesity and its comorbidities. In terms of risk/benefit, DS was very
sucessful with an appropriate system of follow-up.
**** End Abstract ****
John Williamson
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>
>>> The means by which to possibly cure type-2 diabetes mellitus, which
>>> accounts for 90-95% of cases in the industrialized nations in this
>>> world, is by losing the black fat (VAT):
>>>
>>> http://HeartMDPhD.com/BlackFat
>> Can you point to one single documented case where this has happened by
>> following the treatment you recommend?
>
> Eating less, down to the right amount, is not a treatment but rather
> is simply just being smart:
>
morbidly obese diabetic patients>
I'll take that as no, then.
Let me rephrase what I said.
Has *anybody* ever been cured of diabetes mellitus type 2 by following
your advice without needing additional treatments?
If so, please provide a pointer to information on this cure.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>
> I'll take that as no, then.
Incorrect.
> Let me rephrase what I said.
>
> Has *anybody* ever been cured of diabetes mellitus type 2 by following
> your advice without needing additional treatments?
Many have been cured of their type-2 diabetes mellitus by LORD
Almighty GOD when they have elected to eat less, down to the right
amount:
> If so, please provide a pointer to information on this cure.
Look up.
Here is again that simple parable given in hopes of promoting
understanding:
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic:
John Williamson
>>
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/c2317b01aae675ad?
>> I'll take that as no, then.
>
> Incorrect.
>
diabetes purely by eating less. Who?
Maybe they could be asked to post in here or speak to the press & say
how it happened?
>> Let me rephrase what I said.
>>
>> Has *anybody* ever been cured of diabetes mellitus type 2 by following
>> your advice without needing additional treatments?
>
> Many have been cured of their type-2 diabetes mellitus by LORD
> Almighty GOD when they have elected to eat less, down to the right
> amount:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart
>
No evidence of a cure there.
So, I'll take that as another no.
And by the way, 2 pounds of *what*? 2 pounds of meat, 2 pounds of wheat,
2 pounds of fruit or 2 pounds of manna?
>> If so, please provide a pointer to information on this cure.
>
> Look up.
>
Nope, no evidence there either.
> Here is again that simple parable given in hopes of promoting
> understanding:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable
>
Irrelevant to diabetes in humans.
The more you post in the diabetic newsgroups, the more you expose your
ignorance, & the more you turn people away from your belief system.
Also, just cutting & pasting the same reply to every post makes you look
either like someone with mental health problems or an incompetent.
As a claimed cardiologist, please restrict yourself to posting in groups
where your knowledge may have some relevance.
Robert Miles
"John Williamson" <johnwil...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:65mjvtF...@mid.individual.net...
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/c2317b01aae675ad?
>>> I'll take that as no, then.
>>
>> Incorrect.
>>
> So, you claim to know of at least one person who has been cured of
> diabetes purely by eating less. Who?
> Maybe they could be asked to post in here or speak to the press & say how
> it happened?
>
>>> Let me rephrase what I said.
>>>
>>> Has *anybody* ever been cured of diabetes mellitus type 2 by following
>>> your advice without needing additional treatments?
>>
>> Many have been cured of their type-2 diabetes mellitus by LORD
>> Almighty GOD when they have elected to eat less, down to the right
>> amount:
>>
>> http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart
>>
> No evidence of a cure there.
> So, I'll take that as another no.
> And by the way, 2 pounds of *what*? 2 pounds of meat, 2 pounds of wheat, 2
> pounds of fruit or 2 pounds of manna?
>
two pounds of Ex-Lax a day for at least a month.
John Williamson
>> And by the way, 2 pounds of *what*? 2 pounds of meat, 2 pounds of wheat, 2
>> pounds of fruit or 2 pounds of manna?
>>
> We'd like to read the results of him adopting a WOE (way of eating) of
> two pounds of Ex-Lax a day for at least a month.
>
I know. At least he's shut up for now.
Cary Kittrell
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > The means by which to possibly cure type-2 diabetes mellitus, which
> > accounts for 90-95% of cases in the industrialized nations in this
> > world, is by losing the black fat (VAT):
> >
> Can you point to one single documented case where this has happened by
> following the treatment you recommend?
You may now prepare to have your question evaded.
-- cary
John Williamson
> You may now prepare to have your question evaded.
>
a huff. :-)
Cary Kittrell
> Cary Kittrell wrote:
> > You may now prepare to have your question evaded.
> >
> Ignored, actually, if you skim the thread. He seems to have gone off in
> a huff. :-)
Well, you probably could have stopped at "gone off"...
-- cary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >>
> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/c2317b01aae675ad?
>
> >> I'll take that as no, then.
> >
> > Incorrect.
>
> So, you claim to know of at least one person who has been cured of
> diabetes purely by eating less. Who?
Jim Chinnis would be someone you might possibly know from his
participation here on usenet especially in ASD.
He was headed toward needing glucose-lowering medications until he
started eating less though he has at times erroneously credited the
turn-around to low-carbing.
We know it is not the latter because there are many who low-carb
without curing their underlying insulin resistance (IR/MetS) as has
reportedly occurred in Jim's case.
Then there are many of my patients, whose names I can not legally
disclose because of appropriate HIPAA privacy laws:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/33fb7d06c5274c80?
Cary Kittrell
> neighbor John Williamson wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/c2317b01aae675ad?
> >
> > >> I'll take that as no, then.
> > >
> > > Incorrect.
> >
> > So, you claim to know of at least one person who has been cured of
> > diabetes purely by eating less. Who?
>
> Jim Chinnis would be someone you might possibly know from his
> participation here on usenet especially in ASD.
>
> He was headed toward needing glucose-lowering medications until he
> started eating less though he has at times erroneously credited the
> turn-around to low-carbing.
>
> We know it is not the latter because there are many who low-carb
> without curing their underlying insulin resistance (IR/MetS) as has
> reportedly occurred in Jim's case.
>
> Then there are many of my patients, whose names I can not legally
> disclose because of appropriate HIPAA privacy laws:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/33fb7d06c5274c80?
Of course, it is perfectly acceptable to write up case studies
in peer-reviewed journals without including the patient's name.
-- cary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > neighbor John Williamson wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/c2317b01aae675ad?
> > >
> > > >> I'll take that as no, then.
> > > >
> > > > Incorrect.
> > >
> > > So, you claim to know of at least one person who has been cured of
> > > diabetes purely by eating less. Who?
> >
> > Jim Chinnis would be someone you might possibly know from his
> > participation here on usenet especially in ASD.
> >
> > He was headed toward needing glucose-lowering medications until he
> > started eating less though he has at times erroneously credited the
> > turn-around to low-carbing.
> >
> > We know it is not the latter because there are many who low-carb
> > without curing their underlying insulin resistance (IR/MetS) as has
> > reportedly occurred in Jim's case.
> >
> > Then there are many of my patients, whose names I can not legally
> > disclose because of appropriate HIPAA privacy laws:
> >
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/33fb7d06c5274c80?
>
> Of course, it is perfectly acceptable to write up case studies
> in peer-reviewed journals without including the patient's name.
Did not write that it weren't.
Bottom line:
You remain pathologically untruthful.
This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict
you:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
May we, who are Christians, continue to pray for your perishing soul:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/PrayForCary
Cary Kittrell
> convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > neighbor John Williamson wrote:
> > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/c2317b01aae675ad?
> > > >
> > > > >> I'll take that as no, then.
> > > > >
> > > > > Incorrect.
> > > >
> > > > So, you claim to know of at least one person who has been cured of
> > > > diabetes purely by eating less. Who?
> > >
> > > Jim Chinnis would be someone you might possibly know from his
> > > participation here on usenet especially in ASD.
> > >
> > > He was headed toward needing glucose-lowering medications until he
> > > started eating less though he has at times erroneously credited the
> > > turn-around to low-carbing.
> > >
> > > We know it is not the latter because there are many who low-carb
> > > without curing their underlying insulin resistance (IR/MetS) as has
> > > reportedly occurred in Jim's case.
> > >
> > > Then there are many of my patients, whose names I can not legally
> > > disclose because of appropriate HIPAA privacy laws:
> > >
> > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/33fb7d06c5274c80?
> >
> > Of course, it is perfectly acceptable to write up case studies
> > in peer-reviewed journals without including the patient's name.
>
> Did not write that it weren't.
Did not reference any peer-reviewed articles on the topic written
by yourself either.
>
> Bottom line:
>
> You remain pathologically untruthful.
Bottom line: you've published nothing in peer-reviewed
medical journals about the 2PD-OMER "approach".
-- cary
Cary Kittrell
to have John Williamson miss this, now would it?
yama...@aol.com
> A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords.http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow
I caught you once already on this bullshit lie when you tried to bring
Mr. Jim Chinnis into the picture to support your 2PD diet. He was not
following your whacked out diet advice and told you so.
Interested readers may refer to my Nov 25th 5:16 PM post.
Also, Jim himself said:
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From: Jim Chinnis <jchin...@SPAMalum.mit.edu>
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 16:07:24 GMT
Local: Sun, Nov 4 2007 9:07 am
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I have now lost a few more pounds. I am at 145. I was at 188 in 2001
and had
maintained around 165 from 2002 through early 2007. I was about 148 at
age
18. (I'm now 63.)
I thought I was "normal" weight at 160 or so. So did my friends. But I
was
on two blood pressure medications plus Lipitor and then tested my bg
last
April and discovered fbgs at around 116 and near-diabetic response to
glucose/carbs.
Having lost about 15 pounds now, my fbg is 80-86 every morning and my
response to a moderately high-carb (35 g) breakfast is a 1-hr PP bg of
about
100. It can still be elevated (100) at 2 hrs PP, but is back at 80-85
within
3 hrs..
Part of the change (about 10 points) is due to dropping atenolol. But
the
bulk is due to the 15 pound drop in weight.
I need to reduce the remaining bp drug, as my bp is getting on the low
side.
I may drop the Lipitor after my next blood lipids are taken.
Just one data point having to do with the powerful weight effects (of
those
"last few pounds") on blood pressure, glucose, and lipids.
--
Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
yama...@aol.com
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/AttentionSeekingCary
This is what Jim Chinnis replied to Chung:
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From: Jim Chinnis <jchin...@SPAMalum.mit.edu>
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 04:20:06 GMT
Local: Sun, Nov 25 2007 9:20 pm
Subject: Re: Discussion from Sermo - U.S. Obesity Epidemic - Financial
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yamant...@aol.com wrote in part:
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>on 11 November earlier in this thread Andrew B Chung wrote:
>"A cardiology case report sans PHI of one of my patients who has been
>using the 2PD-OMER Approach for more than 2 years has been published
>and discussed on Sermo, the physician-only forum.
>You are welcome to join Sermo if you are an actively-practicing
>physician and review it. "
>Please note that Chung was kicked off of Sermo for the same sort of
>nonsense he repeatedly spews on these news groups. And the "case" that
>he "published" on Sermo? It was something he lifted off of a
>alt.support.diabetes discussion and not his patient at all.
>On Sermo, under the title of "Very Interesting Cardiology Case Report"
>on 4 Nov 2007, Chung linked to posting from alt.support.diabetes:
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/92aa3220bd560780
>No where did the original poster mention using Chung's 2PD Approach to
>lose weight. When Chung tried to bring it up on the thread both in
>Usenet groups and on Sermo, he was soundly trounced as he always is.
I don't usually read messages re these conflicts among personalities.
But I
just saw the one by "yamataka" that I am responding to here.
On the off chance that the Sermo discussions used my post as evidence
pro or
con the "2PD Approach," I wish to make clear that I have never, ever,
weighed my meals or restricted my eating to any particular weight. The
idea
is nonsense.
I have simply reported that losing weight (and almost eliminating
atenolol)--starting from a weight most would consider normal--has
eliminated
all my glucose intolerance. Whether this is permanent or temporary
remains
to be seen.
The weight loss has been achieved primarily by restricting
carbohydrates and
increasing the intensity of my workouts out at the gym. This has been
done
while increasing the vegetables in my diet. I have not gone hungry at
all,
but I have eaten with care.
I am 5'9" and weigh 140 lb now. My fasting blood glucose is 76-85. My
post-prandial 1-hour is about 90-100. My 2-hr PP is about 85. If I
consume a
rare high-carb meal (>70 g) my PP does not exceed 115.
I have certainly never been a patient of Dr. Chung or anyone else in
these
newsgroups.
J666
(in message <ft5vku$nqf$1...@onion.ccit.arizona.edu>):
> Of course, it is perfectly acceptable to write up case studies
> in peer-reviewed journals without including the patient's name.
>
>
>
> -- cary
Of course it is and any doctor whoever read a journal, which would be
impossible not to do as a student or resident, would know.
These lames excuses are at least a change from the usual responsed and show
that there still has to be some function thought.
J666
(in message <ft61a4$6k7$1...@onion.ccit.arizona.edu>):
> Did not reference any peer-reviewed articles on the topic written
> by yourself either.
When a medical treatment, like the 2PD, is based on the word of God and the
Bible, the articles are available in the Universe Medical Library in Heaven.
Since the Holy Spirir communicates with Chung and uses Chung's web site to
list those convicted, he has special access to that.
http://HeartMDPhD.GOD/Universe/MedicalLibrary/MainBranch/Heaven
Password: ElShaddai
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
John Williamson
I'd missed it by only reading the diabetic groups.
So, reducing carb intake, losing weight & exercising improves the symptoms.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
> So, reducing carb intake, losing weight & exercising improves the symptoms.
By losing his visceral adipose tissue (VAT), it appears that Jim
Chinnis has been cured of his insulin resistance (IR/MetS).
Therefore, it remains smart to eat less, down to the right amount to
lose the VAT:
Again, a simple parable given in hopes of promoting understanding:
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier
Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
J666
(in message <ft61nn$9pm$1...@onion.ccit.arizona.edu>):
> Bottom line: you've published nothing in peer-reviewed
> medical journals about the 2PD-OMER "approach".
Does Chung have any peer?
There is a new version of the 2PD - only can eat pears and so this approach
is without peer - the PeerlessPear (PeePee) Approach.
2PD PeerlessPear Approach
Obvious, if it were only a pear rather than an apple, we would all still be
living in the Garden of Eden, which would be great except for skiers who Pray
For Snow because Snow has been convicted.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
J666
(in message
<408a3fe9-b6ff-429f...@s37g2000prg.googlegroups.com>):
> This is what Jim Chinnis replied to Chung:
You have to remember when dealing with Chung and others like him, that the
idea that facts can be true that are outside their beliefs is impossilbe.
Chung is more than willing to cite journal articles when it pleases him, but
dismisses those as the work of Satan when they to not agree with him.
yama...@aol.com
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> John Williamson wrote:
>
> > So, reducing carb intake, losing weight & exercising improves the symptoms.
>
> By losing his visceral adipose tissue (VAT), it appears that Jim
> Chinnis has been cured of his insulin resistance (IR/MetS).
>
> Therefore, it remains smart to eat less, down to the right amount to
> lose the VAT:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart
>
> Again, a simple parable given in hopes of promoting understanding:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable
>
> Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic:
>
> http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier
>
> Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords.http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow
We all agree that portion control, eating a variety of healthy foods
and maintaining ideal body weight are good for everyone. That is not a
new concept.
No one agrees that eating 2 lbs of food per day is the way to acheive
the above goal. No one has ever seen any documentation that this
approach is successful in maintaining healthy weight. It's a concept
you've been tooting your own horn about for > 10 years, and all you
have in return is well -deserved ridicule. The Everest Climbers didn't
eat just two pounds per day and the Bible never said that an omer
weighed two pounds.
STFU already, Chung. You have been proven a liar too many times to
count. Do you enjoy this ridicule and abuse? If so, not only are you
suffering from ego-syntonic, regressed, narcissistic personality
disorder and delusions, but you are also a masochist.
Now go ahead and "boldly write" more lies.
J666
>
> Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be euglycemic:
One of the symptoms of diabetes with hypoglcemia is hunger and since hunger
is good, this has to be good and so with euglycemia, the hunger of
hypoglycemia goes away which makes it bad.
Be hungry ... be healthy ... be hungrier .... be hypoglycemic
Cary Kittrell
> John Williamson wrote:
> >
> > So, reducing carb intake, losing weight & exercising improves the symptoms.
>
> By losing his visceral adipose tissue (VAT), it appears that Jim
> Chinnis has been cured of his insulin resistance (IR/MetS).
It appears that you have presented utterly no evidence that
Jim Chinnis lost his VAT.
>
> Therefore, it remains smart to eat less, down to the right amount to
> lose the VAT:
It appears that you have presented utterly no evidence that
this "approach" will cause one to lose one's VAT.
-- cary
monkfish
You seem to be bothered by the opinions
of a person you are presuming to be mentally ill.
What does that say about you?
--
monkfish
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cary Kittrell
>
> On Fri, 4 Apr 2008 15:06:15 -0500, Cary Kittrell wrote
> (in message <ft61nn$9pm$1...@onion.ccit.arizona.edu>):
>
> > Bottom line: you've published nothing in peer-reviewed
> > medical journals about the 2PD-OMER "approach".
>
> Does Chung have any peer?
Oh dear, good point.
Kind of sinks all my ships, doesn't it?
Actually, wouldn't you just love to be a fly on a referee's
wall when he started reading the manuscript?
(well, actually, no. I was a fly on the wall in a previous life,
and it turns out not only is your hearing down in the
frequency range of human speech just lousy, you also
can't understand English either. a total anti-climax)
-- cary
Michelle C.
wrote:
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:> John Williamson wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> >>> accounts for 90-95% of cases in the industrialized nations in this
> >>> world, is by losing the black fat (VAT):
>
> >> Can you point to one single documented case where this has happened by
> >> following the treatment you recommend?
>
> > is simply just being smart:
>
> <Snip irrelevant quoted report relating to a surgical procedure used on
> morbidly obese diabetic patients>
>
> I'll take that as no, then.
>
>
> Has *anybody* ever been cured of diabetes mellitus type 2 by following
> your advice without needing additional treatments?
> If so, please provide a pointer to information on this cure.
John,
Puleeease, don't feed the trolls. You're undermining my google
killfile.
Best regards,
Michelle C., T2
diet & exercise
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
John Williamson
> John,
>
> Puleeease, don't feed the trolls. You're undermining my google
> killfile.
>
Sorry, he was dishing out possibly fatal advice to an apparent newbie,
so I sought to get a correction.
At the moment, he's marked read, he'll go into the ignore thread bin now
so I don't get tempted again.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> >
> Sorry, he was dishing out possibly fatal advice to an apparent newbie,
> so I sought to get a correction.
Your false witness is forgiven by me.
This simply shows that you are among the lost:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheLost
The brethren of LORD Jesus Christ are neither perfect nor more
special...
... we are simply forgiven by GOD:
http://www.interviewwithgod.com/forgiven/
May you wisely choose to be forgiven too by publicly declaring with
your mouth that "Jesus is LORD:"
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