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George

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Jan 18, 2007, 2:19:38 AM1/18/07
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Wouldn't it be better to increase water consumption for more "fullness" and
to gain the health benefits water brings?


Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Jan 18, 2007, 2:30:25 AM1/18/07
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George wrote:
> Wouldn't it be better to increase water consumption for more "fullness" and
> to gain the health benefits water brings?

Even too much water becomes a bad thing.

Wiser to eat less down to the right amount and befriend the hunger that
arises from becoming super healthy while drinking when thirsty.

Hunger is good:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit

As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
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George

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Jan 18, 2007, 2:57:23 AM1/18/07
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How much is "too much" water?


"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Jan 18, 2007, 3:09:14 AM1/18/07
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George wrote:

> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > George wrote:
> >
> >> Wouldn't it be better to increase water consumption for more "fullness"
> >> and
> >> to gain the health benefits water brings?
> >
> > Even too much water becomes a bad thing.
> >
> > Wiser to eat less down to the right amount and befriend the hunger that
> > arises from becoming super healthy while drinking when thirsty.
> >
> > Hunger is good:
> >
> > http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp
>
> How much is "too much" water?

When hyponatremia happens, which will be after thirst is quenched.

Andrew <><
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http://EmoryCardiology.com

Don Kirkman

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Jan 18, 2007, 3:22:37 AM1/18/07
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It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
article <1169107754.4...@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>:

>George wrote:

>> How much is "too much" water?

>When hyponatremia happens, which will be after thirst is quenched.

Chung apparently is not current on sports physiology either:

[Begin]
Hyponatremia is low blood sodium, which can occur when endurance
athletes including long distance walkers and runners lose sodium through
sweat and are unable to replace it.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

They may further dilute their blood sodium by continuing to drink large
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
amounts of water and losing further sodium through urination.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
http://walking.about.com/cs/fluids/a/hyponatremia.htm
--
Don Kirkman

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Jan 18, 2007, 3:33:08 AM1/18/07
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Convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > neighbor George wrote:
>
> >> How much is "too much" water?
>
> >When hyponatremia happens, which will be after thirst is quenched.
>
> Chung apparently is not current on sports physiology either:
>
> [Begin]
> Hyponatremia is low blood sodium, which can occur when endurance
> athletes including long distance walkers and runners lose sodium through
> sweat and are unable to replace it.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> They may further dilute their blood sodium by continuing to drink large
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> amounts of water and losing further sodium through urination.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> http://walking.about.com/cs/fluids/a/hyponatremia.htm

You are out of context here.

The context is in the setting of someone attempting to suppress hunger
by drinking water:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/2216d0f79c49e4bd?

Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts

May the brethren of LORD Jesus Christ continue to prayer for you, dear
neighbor Don whom I love unconditionally.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit

As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love

Meanwhile, HIS brethren have been blessed:

http://MabletonGA.OurLittle.net/DreadNought

... and continue to be blessed:

http://MabletonGA.OurLittle.net/Guarantee

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Don Kirkman

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Jan 18, 2007, 12:41:07 PM1/18/07
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It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
article <1169109188....@51g2000cwl.googlegroups.com>:

>Convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> > neighbor George wrote:

>> >> How much is "too much" water?

>> >When hyponatremia happens, which will be after thirst is quenched.

>> Chung apparently is not current on sports physiology either:

>> [Begin]
>> Hyponatremia is low blood sodium, which can occur when endurance
>> athletes including long distance walkers and runners lose sodium through
>> sweat and are unable to replace it.
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>> They may further dilute their blood sodium by continuing to drink large
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> amounts of water and losing further sodium through urination.
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> http://walking.about.com/cs/fluids/a/hyponatremia.htm

>You are out of context here.

>The context is in the setting of someone attempting to suppress hunger
>by drinking water:

I'm precisely in the context of what you wrote: that too much water is


"When hyponatremia happens, which will be after thirst is quenched."

What I cited shows that thirst is NOT quenched, but that walkers and
runners continue to drink large amounts of water. If their thirst had
been quenched that would not be true.
--
Don Kirkman

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Jan 18, 2007, 1:15:41 PM1/18/07
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Convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >Convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> > neighbor George wrote:
>
> >> >> How much is "too much" water?
>
> >> >When hyponatremia happens, which will be after thirst is quenched.
>
> >> Chung apparently is not current on sports physiology either:
>
> >> [Begin]
> >> Hyponatremia is low blood sodium, which can occur when endurance
> >> athletes including long distance walkers and runners lose sodium through
> >> sweat and are unable to replace it.
> >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> >> They may further dilute their blood sodium by continuing to drink large
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >> amounts of water and losing further sodium through urination.
> >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >> http://walking.about.com/cs/fluids/a/hyponatremia.htm
>
> >You are out of context here.
>
> >The context is in the setting of someone attempting to suppress hunger
> >by drinking water:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/2216d0f79c49e4bd?

> I'm precisely in the context <...>

No. Would suggest you review the above again with more thought.

Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts

Andrew <><

George

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Jan 19, 2007, 2:05:21 AM1/19/07
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My apologies for not stating my question clearly. Let's try again ... :o)

I appreciate that staying thin has great cardio and other health benefits
and that undereating is one way to help ensure that one remains thin. The
downside of undereating, of course, is frequent mild hunger.

Also, drinking the recommended amount of 10-12 glasses of water daily,
regardless of whether one is thirsty, is necessary for proper hydration.
However, I'm like many people in that I don't remember (or I find it
inconvenient) to drink water that frequently throughout the day even though
I know I should.

I was simply suggesting what seems obvious to me, that drinking the
recommended 10-12 glasses per day, which is more than I otherwise would,
complements an undereating regimen. The additional water would both reduce
hunger and help to maintain proper hydration. Reduction of hunger through
water consumption should help one to stay on an undereating regimen with
minimal discomfort.


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The Right Rev Ersegear

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Jan 19, 2007, 4:29:53 AM1/19/07
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

> Convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > neighbor George wrote:
> >
> > >> How much is "too much" water?
> >
> > >When hyponatremia happens, which will be after thirst is quenched.
> >
> > Chung apparently is not current on sports physiology either:
> >
> > [Begin]
> > Hyponatremia is low blood sodium, which can occur when endurance
> > athletes including long distance walkers and runners lose sodium through
> > sweat and are unable to replace it.
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >
> > They may further dilute their blood sodium by continuing to drink large
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > amounts of water and losing further sodium through urination.
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > http://walking.about.com/cs/fluids/a/hyponatremia.htm
>
> You are out of context here.
>
> The context is in the setting of someone attempting to suppress hunger
> by drinking water:
>

<snip rest of Chung's drivel>

Or is it just about making threads difficult to follow in order to try
and hijack them?

Chung, you stand convicted of disrespecting the OP of this thread, who
only posted to sci.med.cardiology, as did Don Kirkman, whereas you,
deceitful hate-filled, spamming, harassing, passive-aggressive,
bullying troll that you are, crossposted it to where you imagine that
you have friends in order to make a point about your own status as a
post-human entity.

Chung, stop whining. Usenet is not your "preciousssss".

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Jan 19, 2007, 5:14:43 AM1/19/07
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George wrote:
> My apologies for not stating my question clearly. Let's try again ... :o)
>
> I appreciate that staying thin has great cardio and other health benefits
> and that undereating is one way to help ensure that one remains thin.

Limiting intake to the optimal amount is not undereating.

> The
> downside of undereating, of course, is frequent mild hunger.

Being hungrier is not a downside.

Super healthy people are super hungry.

> Also, drinking the recommended amount of 10-12 glasses of water daily,
> regardless of whether one is thirsty, is necessary for proper hydration.

The actual amount of fluid intake required for proper hydration will
vary from person to person from moment to moment. For example, someone
with kidney failure where there is no urine being made may go into
congestive heart failure from drinking 10-12 glasses of liquids a day.

> However, I'm like many people in that I don't remember (or I find it
> inconvenient) to drink water that frequently throughout the day even though
> I know I should.

Drinking to thirst is sufficient to keep people from becoming
dehydrated.

> I was simply suggesting what seems obvious to me, that drinking the
> recommended 10-12 glasses per day, which is more than I otherwise would,
> complements an undereating regimen. The additional water would both reduce
> hunger and help to maintain proper hydration. Reduction of hunger through
> water consumption should help one to stay on an undereating regimen with
> minimal discomfort.

The reduction of hunger through water consumption is too transient to
be meaningful and will not help a person who falsely believes that
"hunger is bad" to reduce his/her intake to the optimal amount. It is
this latter false belief that is the source of discomfort and not the
hunger.

Pastor Kutchie

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Jan 19, 2007, 5:50:29 AM1/19/07
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

> Super healthy people are super hungry.
>

Here are some of Chung's sexual fantasies:

http://www.greatestjournal.com/community/thinspiring/54530.html

Sick.

m...@privacy.net

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Jan 19, 2007, 12:29:11 PM1/19/07
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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote:

>Super healthy people are super hungry.

good point!

Bob (this one)

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Jan 20, 2007, 12:48:03 AM1/20/07
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George wrote:

> Also, drinking the recommended amount of 10-12 glasses of water daily,
> regardless of whether one is thirsty, is necessary for proper hydration.

You might want to see if you can find that in a reputable
source; both the quantity and the idea that you should drink
even if you're not thirsty. The general measure for a "glass
of water" is 8 ounces. That works out to 80 to 96 ounces per
day, exclusive of the water contained in food or other
beverages. That's an enormous amount of water.

I've looked and not been able to find a study to confirm any
of it. Lots of dietitians and nutritionists say so, but no
science behind it that I've been able to find.

Pastorio

George

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Jan 20, 2007, 2:22:27 AM1/20/07
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Funny - I've always "known" that the RDA for water was 10-12 glasses per
day, but now that I've searched for an authority on the subject, I can't
find one. In any case, I do believe that drinking generous amounts of
water daily has health benefits, and I've read that 80-96 ounces per day is
well within the capacity of the kidneys in generally healthy adults.


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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Jan 20, 2007, 3:41:40 AM1/20/07
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George wrote:
> Funny - I've always "known" that the RDA for water was 10-12 glasses per
> day, but now that I've searched for an authority on the subject, I can't
> find one. In any case, I do believe that drinking generous amounts of
> water daily has health benefits, and I've read that 80-96 ounces per day is
> well within the capacity of the kidneys in generally healthy adults.

It remains wiser to simply drink to thirst.

Bob (this one)

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Jan 20, 2007, 11:00:42 AM1/20/07
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George wrote:
> Funny - I've always "known" that the RDA for water was 10-12 glasses per
> day, but now that I've searched for an authority on the subject, I can't
> find one. In any case, I do believe that drinking generous amounts of
> water daily has health benefits, and I've read that 80-96 ounces per day is
> well within the capacity of the kidneys in generally healthy adults.

Because you can is no reason to believe you should.

You believe what you do for no good reason.

Pastorio

Art Deco

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Jan 20, 2007, 12:56:34 PM1/20/07
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<m...@privacy.net> wrote:

Please don't feed Chung's ego, it is already fat enough.

m...@privacy.net

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Jan 22, 2007, 11:41:00 AM1/22/07
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Art Deco <erfc...@usa.net> wrote:

>>>Super healthy people are super hungry.
>>
>>good point!
>
>Please don't feed Chung's ego, it is already fat enough.

Ok but Chung does have a good point in that we view
slight hunger as something evil and to be avoided at
ALL costs

When in fact.... slight hunger is actually as Chung
says....something not necessarily "bad"

Mu

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Jan 23, 2007, 9:00:28 PM1/23/07
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On 19 Jan 2007 02:14:43 -0800, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

> The reduction of hunger through water consumption is too transient to
> be meaningful and will not help a person who falsely believes that
> "hunger is bad" to reduce his/her intake to the optimal amount. It is
> this latter false belief that is the source of discomfort and not the
> hunger.
>
> Andrew <><

Yep, very simply, you have to buck up and take hunger for what it is.
Nothing much, relatively.

Then go about taking food and get it out of your life as something that you
rotate too much thought and energy on.


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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Jan 24, 2007, 6:40:37 AM1/24/07
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friend Mu wrote:

> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > The reduction of hunger through water consumption is too transient to
> > be meaningful and will not help a person who falsely believes that
> > "hunger is bad" to reduce his/her intake to the optimal amount. It is
> > this latter false belief that is the source of discomfort and not the
> > hunger.
>
> > Andrew <><
>
> Yep, very simply, you have to buck up and take hunger for what it is.
> Nothing much, relatively.

"Hunger is good."

> Then go about taking food and get it out of your life as something that you
> rotate too much thought and energy on.

Reduce the intake down to the optimal amount, become super healthy
(lean and trim), and become super hungry.

Be hungry...

... be blessed.

"Blessed are you who hunger now, for you will be satisfied." -- LORD
Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)

May you continue to be hungry,

Andrew <><
http://EmoryCardiology.com

Pastor Kutchie

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Jan 24, 2007, 11:33:55 AM1/24/07
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On Jan 24, 11:40 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <l...@thetruth.com>
wrote:


> friend Mu wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > > The reduction of hunger through water consumption is too transient to
> > > be meaningful and will not help a person who falsely believes that
> > > "hunger is bad" to reduce his/her intake to the optimal amount. It is
> > > this latter false belief that is the source of discomfort and not the
> > > hunger.
>
> > > Andrew <><
>
> > Yep, very simply, you have to buck up and take hunger for what it is.
> > Nothing much, relatively."Hunger is good."
>
> > Then go about taking food and get it out of your life as something that you

> > rotate too much thought and energy on.Reduce the intake down to the optimal amount, become super healthy


> (lean and trim), and become super hungry.
>
> Be hungry...
>
> ... be blessed.
>

Be dead. It's called anorexia, Chung has an anorexia fetish now.

http://anamylife.zip.net/images/Imagem6.jpg

Sick.

Mu

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Jan 24, 2007, 4:11:03 PM1/24/07
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>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>
>>> The reduction of hunger through water consumption is too transient to
>>> be meaningful and will not help a person who falsely believes that
>>> "hunger is bad" to reduce his/her intake to the optimal amount. It is
>>> this latter false belief that is the source of discomfort and not the
>>> hunger.
>>
>>> Andrew <><

> friend Mu wrote:

>> Yep, very simply, you have to buck up and take hunger for what it is.
>> Nothing much, relatively.

On 24 Jan 2007 03:40:37 -0800, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

> "Hunger is good."

They sure have spent gazillions of $$$ selling us on exactly the
opposite.

I see you are well, congrats on the Emory webpage, been OCONUS, working
my way back to ATL, slowly, SW Florida is temtping this time of year.
Sandals, t-shirts, etc.

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Jan 24, 2007, 6:22:30 PM1/24/07
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friend Mu wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> >>> The reduction of hunger through water consumption is too transient to
> >>> be meaningful and will not help a person who falsely believes that
> >>> "hunger is bad" to reduce his/her intake to the optimal amount. It is
> >>> this latter false belief that is the source of discomfort and not the
> >>> hunger.
>
> >>> Andrew <><
> > friend Mu wrote:
> >> Yep, very simply, you have to buck up and take hunger for what it is.
> >> Nothing much, relatively.On 24 Jan 2007 03:40:37 -0800, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>
> > "Hunger is good."They sure have spent gazillions of $$$ selling us on exactly the
> opposite.

More than to sell but to brainwash...

Brainwashed victim who smells a home-cooked meal: "I am so hungry that
I am actually starving ! ! ! ! "

Another brainwashed victim who unwittingly partakes in the reinforcing
their mutually brainwashed condition: "That's terrible. Let me hurry
and fix you a plate so you can eat now."

> I see you are well, congrats on the Emory webpage, been OCONUS, working
> my way back to ATL, slowly, SW Florida is temtping this time of year.
> Sandals, t-shirts, etc.

Actually, the Emory tribute web site has been up and running for years.

Mu

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Jan 24, 2007, 7:30:19 PM1/24/07
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On 24 Jan 2007 08:33:55 -0800, Pastor Kutchie wrote:

>>> > Andrew <><
>>
>>> Yep, very simply, you have to buck up and take hunger for what it is.
>>> Nothing much, relatively."Hunger is good."
>>
>>> Then go about taking food and get it out of your life as something that you
>>> rotate too much thought and energy on.Reduce the intake down to the optimal amount, become super healthy
>> (lean and trim), and become super hungry.
>>
>> Be hungry...
>>
>> ... be blessed.
>>
>
> Be dead. It's called anorexia, Chung has an anorexia fetish now.

You must have redefined anorexia, why didn't you tell Webster's and all
the rest of us?

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Mu

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On 24 Jan 2007 15:22:30 -0800, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

>> I see you are well, congrats on the Emory webpage, been OCONUS, working
>> my way back to ATL, slowly, SW Florida is temtping this time of year.
>> Sandals, t-shirts, etc.
>
> Actually, the Emory tribute web site has been up and running for years.

Didn't know. Still got the Cirrus?

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Jan 24, 2007, 8:36:56 PM1/24/07
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friend Mu wrote:

> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> >> I see you are well, congrats on the Emory webpage, been OCONUS, working
> >> my way back to ATL, slowly, SW Florida is temtping this time of year.
> >> Sandals, t-shirts, etc.
>
> > Actually, the Emory tribute web site has been up and running for years.
>
> Didn't know.

Our convicted neighbors didn't know either.

> Still got the Cirrus?

No. Long story. It has been a long time. Perhaps someday we can swap
stories of our living life more abundantly.

Mu

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Jan 25, 2007, 9:04:09 PM1/25/07
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On 24 Jan 2007 17:36:56 -0800, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

>>> Actually, the Emory tribute web site has been up and running for years.
>>
>> Didn't know.
>
> Our convicted neighbors didn't know either.
>
>> Still got the Cirrus?
>
> No. Long story. It has been a long time. Perhaps someday we can swap
> stories of our living life more abundantly.

Me oh my, it has been that long, hasn't it, with great regret. Life
calls, we discussed this the last time we Blimpied. Will get to you the
next time I am in town.

2

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"Mu" <nocowi...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:ph85gw5aq02b.dr383ql2d8g5$.dlg@40tude.net...

> On 24 Jan 2007 17:36:56 -0800, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>
>>>> Actually, the Emory tribute web site has been up and running for years.
>>>
>>> Didn't know.
>>
>> Our convicted neighbors didn't know either.
>>
>>> Still got the Cirrus?
>>
>> No. Long story. It has been a long time. Perhaps someday we can swap
>> stories of our living life more abundantly.
>
> Me oh my, it has been that long, hasn't it, with great regret. Life
> calls, we discussed this the last time we Blimpied. Will get to you the
> next time I am in town.
>

Being "Thirsty" is a good thing.

Calling All Zaccheuses .

Zaccheus Converted
(Luke 19:5-10 NASB)

5 When Jesus came to the place, He looked up and said to him, "Zaccheus,
hurry and come down, for today I must stay at your house."
6 And he hurried and came down and received Him ?1?gladly.
7 When they saw it, they all began to grumble, saying, "He has gone ?1?to
be the guest of a man who is a sinner."
8 Zaccheus stopped and said to ?a?the Lord, "Behold, Lord, half of my
possessions I ?1?will give to the poor, and if I have ?b?defrauded anyone of
anything, I ?1?will give back ?c?four times as much."
9 And Jesus said to him, "Today salvation has come to this house, because
he, too, is ?a?a son of Abraham.
10 "For ?a?the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was
lost."

[1]

We have to learn by contact with Jesus Christ is this, that if the whole human
race-everybody, good, bad and indifferent-is lost, we must have the boundless
confidence of Jesus Christ Himself about us, that is, we must know that He can
save anybody and everybody. There is a great deal of importance to be attached
to this point. Just reflect in your mind and think of some lives you know that are
frozen; there is no conviction of sin; they are dishonourable, and they know it; they
are abnormal, off the main track altogether, but they are not a bit troubled about it;
talk to them about their wrong doing and they are totally indifferent to you. You
have to learn how to introduce the atmosphere of the Lord Jesus Christ around
those souls. As soon as you do, something happens. Look what happened to
Zacchaeus-?"?And Zacchaeus stood, and said unto the Lord, Behold, Lord, the
half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have wrongfully exacted aught of any
man, I restore fourfold?"? (rv). Who had been talking to him about his doings?
Not a soul. Jesus had never said a word about his evil doings. What awakened
him? What suddenly made him know where he was? The presence of Jesus![2]


Luke 19:3-4 What a scene: Zacchaeus, a wealthy Roman official, first
ran-something dignified men never did-then scrambled up a tree in order to
catch a glimpse of this One passing by. The foundation of faith is childlike curiosity
and simplicity. Jesus said that we must enter the kingdom as a little child (Luke
18:17), as one who doesn't have all the answers but simply believes. Zacchaeus
models this beautifully.[3]


Luke 19:5 Although Zacchaeus may have thought he was seeking Jesus, in reality
it was Jesus who found him. The same is true of us (Romans 3:11).[4]

19:6 Zacchaeus did as he was told, and received the Lord joyfully. We can almost
certainly date his conversion from this time.

19:7 The Savior's critics all complained against Him because He went to be a
guest with a man who was a known sinner. They overlooked the fact that, coming
into a world like ours, He was limited exclusively to such homes!

19:8 Salvation had brought a radical change in the life of the tax gatherer. He
informed the Savior that he now intended to give half his goods to the poor. (Up to
this time, he had been gouging as much as possible from the poor.) He also
planned to make fourfold restitution for any money he had gained dishonestly. This
was more than the law demanded (Ex. 22:4, 7; Lev. 6:5; Num. 5:7). It showed
that Zacchaeus was now controlled by love whereas formerly he was mastered by
greed.

[5]


[Luke 19:8].

Something had happened to this man! He admitted that he had been robbing the
poor and promised to give half of his goods to the poor and to restore fourfold to
those whom he had falsely taxed. He was acting according to the Mosaic Law
(see Exod. 22). Something had happened inside Zacchaeus, and he was a new
man.

We are not given an account of the conversation between Zacchaeus and our
Lord. For some reason the Holy Spirit did not give us an account of what
transpired between these two men. However, when our Lord talked to men He
usually spoke of two things: (1) man's need and (2) God's ability to meet that
need. He did not have to tell Zacchaeus that he was a sinner. Zacchaeus knew he
was a sinner, and so did everyone else. The Lord told him there was a remedy for
sin. He said, "I am going to Jerusalem to die on the cross so that there will be a
mercy seat for you, Zacchaeus."

[6]

[Luke 19:9].

Zacchaeus was shut out from the mercy seat in the temple when he became a
publican. That mercy seat pointed to the Lord Jesus Christ and to His blood that
He shed for us on the cross. The Lord wanted this hated man to know that He
was going to Jerusalem to die, and His death would provide for him a mercy seat.
This publican made a decision for Christ and became a new man.

[7]

[Luke 19:10].

Note that Zacchaeus did not come to the door and say, "I want to give my
testimony: Jesus saves and keeps and satisfies." Rather he said, "Half my goods I
will give to the poor, and I will make right the things that have been wrong." By
this I know he has been converted. And, friend, this is the only way the world will
know that you are converted. They do not know it by testimony; they know it only
by what they see in your life.If it were not for his changed life, I would never know
that this old publican got converted.

The experience of Zacchaeus is a good illustration of what James says: "Yea, a
man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy
works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works" (James 2:18). Zacchaeus
showed his faith by his works. He did not talk about his faith; he demonstrated it.
The world is not listening for something today; it is looking for something.
Zacchaeus had what the world is looking for. Jesus had dinner with him and his life
changed.

[8]


"Zacchaeus is an example of radical repentance, not of practical wisdom, and it is
assumed that his response will leave him pretty much in the same financial state
required of the rich ruler."424 [9]

Jesus is still entering and passing through your town wherever it is, and He wants
to have dinner with those who do not know Him. He wants to talk about your soul
and salvation. What about it? Has He passed through your home? Has He
knocked on your heart's door? Have you let Him in?

[10]

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1 Lit rejoicing
1 Or to find lodging
a Luke 7:13
1 Lit am giving
b Luke 3:14
c Ex 22:1; Lev 6:5; Num 5:7; 2 Sam 12:6
a Luke 3:8; 13:16; Rom 4:16; Gal 3:7
a Matt 18:11

[1]New American Standard Bible : 1995 update. 1995 (Lk 19:5). LaHabra, CA:
The Lockman Foundation.

[2]Chambers, O. (1996, c1937). Workmen of God : The cure for souls. Hants
UK: Marshall, Morgan & Scott.

[3]Courson, J. (2003). Jon Courson's Application Commentary (391). Nashville,
TN: Thomas Nelson.

[4]Courson, J. (2003). Jon Courson's Application Commentary (392). Nashville,
TN: Thomas Nelson.

[5]MacDonald, W., & Farstad, A. (1997, c1995). Believer's Bible Commentary :
Old and New Testaments (Lk 19:6). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

[6]McGee, J. V. (1997, c1981). Thru the Bible commentary. Based on the Thru
the Bible radio program. (electronic ed.) (4:333). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

[7]McGee, J. V. (1997, c1981). Thru the Bible commentary. Based on the Thru
the Bible radio program. (electronic ed.) (4:333). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

[8]McGee, J. V. (1997, c1981). Thru the Bible commentary. Based on the Thru
the Bible radio program. (electronic ed.) (4:333). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

424 424. Tannehill, The Narrative . . ., 1:124. Cf. 7:36-50; Matt. 26:6-13.

[9]Tom Constable. (2003; 2003). Tom Constable's Expository Notes on the
Bible (Lk 19:8). Galaxie Software.

[10]McGee, J. V. (1997, c1981). Thru the Bible commentary. Based on the Thru
the Bible radio program. (electronic ed.) (4:333). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.


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George

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Jan 29, 2007, 9:12:49 PM1/29/07
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I'm the OP. Who would have thought my thread would wind up the way it did?
LOL!!!

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Jan 31, 2007, 7:02:19 AM1/31/07
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neighbor George wrote:
>
> I'm the OP. Who would have thought my thread would wind up the way it did?

Simply shows that folks who are of this world are reacting adversely
to one of GOD's many blessings upon us. This is a manifestation of
the rebellion led by satan, who is the prince of this world and the
source of all lies.

"Blessed are you who hunger now, for you will be satisfied." -- LORD
Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)

Amen ! ! Laus Deo ! ! ! Marana tha ! ! ! ! ! ! !

May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing our
diabetes, depression, anxiety, or panic so that we can love our
neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a whole bunch more, dear
neighbor George whom I love unconditionally.

Pastor Kutchie

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Jan 31, 2007, 8:20:55 AM1/31/07
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On Jan 30, 2:12 am, "George" <gmwemail-...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I'm the OP. Who would have thought my thread would wind up the way it did?
> LOL!!!
>

It is the way of Usenet. Earthquack is here to entertain us. Want to
know what he looks like?

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/266468/dog_chasing_tail/

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Jan 31, 2007, 9:06:17 AM1/31/07
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friend Mu wrote:

> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> >>> Actually, the Emory tribute web site has been up and running for years.
> >>
> >> Didn't know.
> >
> > Our convicted neighbors didn't know either.
> >
> >> Still got the Cirrus?
> >
> > No. Long story. It has been a long time. Perhaps someday we can swap
> > stories of our living life more abundantly.
>
> Me oh my, it has been that long, hasn't it, with great regret. Life
> calls, we discussed this the last time we Blimpied. Will get to you the
> next time I am in town.

LORD willing.

Please continue to pray for our dear friends and neighbors (especially
Randy aka Pulpitfire and Pastor Dave aka BibleBeliever) who have been


convicted by the Holy Spirit:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts

Sadly, they both are as blind as ex-pastor Dan Barker:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/blind.asp

Father Haskell

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Feb 1, 2007, 4:44:29 PM2/1/07
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On Jan 18, 2:57 am, "George" <gmwemail-...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> How much is "too much" water?

Enough for a baptism.

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