Re: Forward your concerns to the European Baptist Federation
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Private E-mails that were sent to the Baptist Pastor Lothar Lessee have been
> published on several Usenet Public Newsgroups with the intent to denigrate
> and vilify a Poster regarding her sexual Orientation.
The possible global devastation on 3/29/2006 should be a greater
concern for all.
May the LORD help us all to face the great tribulation when the Lamb
opens the 6th seal possibly in less than a few months (03/29/06), in
Jesus' most precious and holy name.
Amen !!!
Now this is about the works of the four horsemen from the 6th chapter
of the Book of Revelation (we are now in the 6th year into the third
millenium after the birth of the Son of Man):
(1) Crowned rider wielding a bow and riding a white horse:
"See you on the other side. It's not bad. We are just going to
sleep." - missive (missile) from one of 12 born-again Christian miners
who gave up their lives to save the youngest among them after being
trapped by an explosion in a W.Va mine.
(2) Rider wielding a sword and riding a fiery red horse:
Ariel Sharon, the world's hope for lasting peace in the middle east,
suffers a massive bleeding stroke. Violence and bloodshed in Iraq
escalates. U.S. now less likely to pull out of Iraq anytime soon.
(3) Rider wielding a set of food scales and riding a black horse:
The rate of increase of the number of people worldwide using the
2PD-OMER Approach (which advocates the use of food scales) accelerates
with growing worldwide concerns about the obesity epidemic:
http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp
Meanwhile, folks like Bob Pastorio who refuse to use this Approach are
heard muttering that an omer is not a weight measure but a volume
measure somewhere between one and three quarts depending on what the
food is and that liquid foods like milk (emulsified oil) and wine
should not be counted toward daily intake.
(4) Rider on a pale horse given the authority to kill a fourth of the
world's population "by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts
of the earth":
The H5N1 Avian Flu Pandemic seems to be starting in Turkey:
Yes, the migratory birds spreading H5N1 virus are wild beasts of the
earth.
When will the sun "turn black like sackcloth made of goat hair"
(Revelation 6:12b) ?
It will turn black during the total solar eclipse that will happen
**also** in Turkey on Wednesday 03/29/2006 at around 14:00 hrs LT.
The order of darkening of the following ancient cities in Turkey:
(1) Ephesus
(2) Smyrna
(3) Pergamum
(4) Thyatira
(5) Sardis
(6) Philadelphia
(7) Laodicea
Will be the same order that Christ Jesus used to address the seven
churches:
"Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to
Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyratira, Sardis, Philadelphia and
Laodicea." (Revelation 1:11)
Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes, cooking and nutrition that interest those
following this thread here during the next on-line chat (01/19/06) from
6 to 7 pm EST:
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:
Prayerfully in Christ's love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
R. Pierce Butler
news:1137677685....@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
> David Matthieu P.P. wrote:
>> Private E-mails that were sent to the Baptist Pastor Lothar Lessee have
>> been published on several Usenet Public Newsgroups with the intent to
>> denigrate and vilify a Poster regarding her sexual Orientation.
>
> The possible global devastation on 3/29/2006 should be a greater
> concern for all.
>
Chung,
You have refused to back up your prediction with anything but nonsense
rhetoric. Will you or will you not accept my challenge that NO GLOABAL
DEVASTATION will occur on 3/29/06? I am willing to wager my "eternal soul"
or significant amounts of cash on such a bet.
pierce
Werner -the Christian Agnostic- Kurator
in <1137677685....@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
on 2006-01-19 announced this statement:
> David Matthieu P.P. wrote:
>> Private E-mails that were sent to the Baptist Pastor Lothar Lessee have been
>> published on several Usenet Public Newsgroups with the intent to denigrate
>> and vilify a Poster regarding her sexual Orientation.
>
> The possible global devastation on 3/29/2006 should be a greater
> concern for all.
Good to see you put a date down, I saved this post of yours.
And when the devastation didn't take place, you will be regarded as
another "false" prophet, on top of your eagerness to bear false witness...
> May the LORD help us all to face the great tribulation when the Lamb
> opens the 6th seal possibly in less than a few months (03/29/06), in
> Jesus' most precious and holy name.
>
> Amen !!!
>
<snip>
>
> Andrew
>
Werner Kurator
--
===========================================================
"Like all translations of the Bible, made as they are by
imperfect man, this one falls short of it goal. Yet we are
grateful to God for the extend to which he has enabled us to
realize these goals and for the strength he has given us and our
colleagues to complete our task"
Preface to the "New International Version" of the Bible
August 1983......
==============================================================
"In fact, many professing agnostics are nearer belief in
the true God then are many conventional church-goers who
believe in a bogey that does not exist whom they miscall God."
Leslie D. Weatherhead; Preface to his "The Christian Agnostic"
==============================================================
"Watch what people are cynical about, and one can often
discover what they lack." -- George S. Patton
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> in <1137677685....@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
> on 2006-01-19 announced this statement:
> > David Matthieu P.P. wrote:
> >> Private E-mails that were sent to the Baptist Pastor Lothar Lessee have been
> >> published on several Usenet Public Newsgroups with the intent to denigrate
> >> and vilify a Poster regarding her sexual Orientation.
> >
> > The possible global devastation on 3/29/2006 should be a greater
> > concern for all.
>
> Good to see you put a date down, I saved this post of yours.
Then the LORD purpose for me to inform you has been fulfilled.
> And when the devastation didn't take place, you will be regarded as
> another "false" prophet, on top of your eagerness to bear false witness...
Even if the devastation **does** take place, it would be my choice to
**not** claim the undeserved title of prophet. Instead, it remains my
choice to continue to write truthfully.
May the LORD help us all to face the great tribulation when the Lamb
opens the 6th seal possibly in less than a few months (03/29/06), in
Jesus' most precious and holy name.
Amen !!!
Now this is about the works of the four horsemen from the 6th chapter
http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp
following this thread here during the next on-line chat (01/26/06) from
JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> Werner -the Christian Agnostic- Kurator wrote:
> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> > in <1137677685....@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
> > on 2006-01-19 announced this statement:
> > > David Matthieu P.P. wrote:
> > >> Private E-mails that were sent to the Baptist Pastor Lothar Lessee have been
> > >> published on several Usenet Public Newsgroups with the intent to denigrate
> > >> and vilify a Poster regarding her sexual Orientation.
> > >
> > > The possible global devastation on 3/29/2006 should be a greater
> > > concern for all.
> >
> > Good to see you put a date down, I saved this post of yours.
>
> Then the LORD purpose for me to inform you has been fulfilled.
Andy misses another point.
> > And when the devastation didn't take place, you will be regarded as
> > another "false" prophet, on top of your eagerness to bear false witness...
>
> Even if the devastation **does** take place, it would be my choice to
> **not** claim the undeserved title of prophet. Instead, it remains my
> choice to continue to write truthfully.
Will you still falsely claim to "write truthfully" when the prophecy
doesn't take place?
JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > Private E-mails that were sent to the Baptist Pastor Lothar Lessee have been
> > published on several Usenet Public Newsgroups with the intent to denigrate
> > and vilify a Poster regarding her sexual Orientation.
>
> The possible global devastation on 3/29/2006 should be a greater
> concern for all.
There's a desperate non sequitur. How'd you come up with that date
again, Andy? By just making it up?
Werner -the Christian Agnostic- Kurator
in <1137738772....@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>
on 2006-01-20 announced this statement:
> Werner -the Christian Agnostic- Kurator wrote:
>> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>> in <1137677685....@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
>> on 2006-01-19 announced this statement:
>> > David Matthieu P.P. wrote:
>> >> Private E-mails that were sent to the Baptist Pastor Lothar Lessee have been
>> >> published on several Usenet Public Newsgroups with the intent to denigrate
>> >> and vilify a Poster regarding her sexual Orientation.
>> >
>> > The possible global devastation on 3/29/2006 should be a greater
>> > concern for all.
>>
>> Good to see you put a date down, I saved this post of yours.
>
> Then the LORD purpose for me to inform you has been fulfilled.
>
>> And when the devastation didn't take place, you will be regarded as
>> another "false" prophet, on top of your eagerness to bear false witness...
>
> Even if the devastation **does** take place, it would be my choice to
> **not** claim the undeserved title of prophet. Instead, it remains my
> choice to continue to write truthfully.
You should worry IF THE DEVASTATION DOES NOT take place.
But of course if it doesn't take place, then you still will claim to
write "truthfully"... just that you didn't read the signs of the time
properly... ROTFL
<snip>
Werner Kurator
--
===========================================================
"Like all translations of the Bible, made as they are by
imperfect man, this one falls short of it goal. Yet we are
grateful to God for the extend to which he has enabled us to
realize these goals and for the strength he has given us and our
colleagues to complete our task"
Preface to the "New International Version" of the Bible
August 1983......
==============================================================
"In fact, many professing agnostics are nearer belief in
the true God then are many conventional church-goers who
believe in a bogey that does not exist whom they miscall God."
Leslie D. Weatherhead; Preface to his "The Christian Agnostic"
==============================================================
Lord, grant me the serenity to ignore the trolls,
the courage to debate with honest opponents,
and the wisdom to know the difference.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> in <1137738772....@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>
> on 2006-01-20 announced this statement:
> > Werner -the Christian Agnostic- Kurator wrote:
> >> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> >> in <1137677685....@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
> >> on 2006-01-19 announced this statement:
> >> > David Matthieu P.P. wrote:
> >> >> Private E-mails that were sent to the Baptist Pastor Lothar Lessee have been
> >> >> published on several Usenet Public Newsgroups with the intent to denigrate
> >> >> and vilify a Poster regarding her sexual Orientation.
> >> >
> >> > The possible global devastation on 3/29/2006 should be a greater
> >> > concern for all.
> >>
> >> Good to see you put a date down, I saved this post of yours.
> >
> > Then the LORD purpose for me to inform you has been fulfilled.
> >
> >> And when the devastation didn't take place, you will be regarded as
> >> another "false" prophet, on top of your eagerness to bear false witness...
> >
> > Even if the devastation **does** take place, it would be my choice to
> > **not** claim the undeserved title of prophet. Instead, it remains my
> > choice to continue to write truthfully.
>
> You should worry IF THE DEVASTATION DOES NOT take place.
The LORD has given me HIS peace so that there is no worry regardless of
the outcome.
> But of course if it doesn't take place, then you still will claim to
> write "truthfully"...
The truth is absolute and not dependent on anything else. It remains
my choice to continue writing truthfully.
> just that you didn't read the signs of the time
> properly...
The signs are there for anyone to observe. No reading/interpreting is
required.
> ROTFL
"Written laughter is silent despair."
Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes, cooking and nutrition that interest those
following this thread here during the next on-line chat (01/26/06):
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:
Prayerfully in Christ's love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/be9va
Werner -the Christian Agnostic- Kurator
in <1137793835....@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Only problem is others will not see it as such as soon as your
prediction are wrong.
And knowing your ability to bear false witness, I can say you already
made your choice....
>
>> just that you didn't read the signs of the time
>> properly...
>
> The signs are there for anyone to observe. No reading/interpreting is
> required.
>
>> ROTFL
>
> "Written laughter is silent despair."
Crap
<snip>
Werner Kurator
--
===========================================================
"Like all translations of the Bible, made as they are by
imperfect man, this one falls short of it goal. Yet we are
grateful to God for the extend to which he has enabled us to
realize these goals and for the strength he has given us and our
colleagues to complete our task"
Preface to the "New International Version" of the Bible
August 1983......
==============================================================
"In fact, many professing agnostics are nearer belief in
the true God then are many conventional church-goers who
believe in a bogey that does not exist whom they miscall God."
Leslie D. Weatherhead; Preface to his "The Christian Agnostic"
==============================================================
How come you never see a politician laugh? Because they know what they're
getting away with, and if they started laughing, they'd never stop.
jes...@phantomemail.com
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Unless you bet on the wrong horse, Andy.
> > But of course if it doesn't take place, then you still will claim to
> > write "truthfully"...
>
> The truth is absolute and not dependent on anything else. It remains
> my choice to continue writing truthfully.
In other words, "the truth" doesn't need to have anything to do with
"reality."
> > just that you didn't read the signs of the time
> > properly...
>
> The signs are there for anyone to observe. No reading/interpreting is
> required.
Which is funny, because you seem to be the only person interpreting
them in your peculiar way.
> > ROTFL
>
> "Written laughter is silent despair."
"Written laughter is, in a text medium, an acceptable and recognized
representation of the real thing."
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
If it is indeed the LORD's will that HIS global earthquake happens on
3/29/2006, everyone will know that the Lamb is KING of kings and LORD
of lords because the words in Revelation 6:12 are entirely HIS.
Moreover, it remains my choice to refuse the title of prophet because
the LORD's purpose for me here is to inform and not to either convince
or predict.
"A voice of one calling: 'In the desert, prepare the way for the LORD,
make straight in the wilderness a highway for our GOD. Every valley
will be raised up, every mountain and hill made low; the rough ground
shall become level, the rugged places a plain. And the glory of the
LORD will be revealed, and all mankind together will see it.'" (Isaiah
40:3-5)
Amen !
May the LORD continue to bless the writing of HIS Word here in USENET.
Amen !!!
http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp
Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes, cooking and nutrition that interest those
following this thread here during the next on-line chat (01/26/06) from
6 to 7 pm EST:
JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Which makes no mention of either a *global* earthquake or a *date.*
> Moreover, it remains my choice to refuse the title of prophet because
> the LORD's purpose for me here is to inform and not to either convince
> or predict.
You've failed at informing, too. Noise isn't information.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
It does mention a great earthquake that is later described to remove
"every mountain and island... from its place" (Revelation 6:14) which
is synonymous with global earthquake. It also mentions a solar eclipse
happening at the same time. There will be an interesting solar eclipse
darkening the skies of the seven churches of Christ in the order that
they are listed in Revelation 1:11 happening on 3/29/2006 at 14:00
hours LT.
JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort
That's actually an amusing coincidence, although of course, that's all
it is. And bravo for actually supporting an assertion.
However, do you know the frequency of solar eclipses?
http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/sci/A0857877.html
"Within a given year, a maximum of seven eclipses can occur, either
four solar and three lunar or five solar and two lunar."
Kind of increases the odds that an eclipse will occur in some
apparently significant spot.
And of course, there hasn't been any earthquake yet.
It's really funny you've devolved into such primitive superstitions.
Do you think lightning is a sign of god's wrath, too?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
There is no such things as coincidences, accidents, chance or fortune:
"The lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision is from the
LORD." (Proverbs 16:33)
> However, do you know the frequency of solar eclipses?
>
> http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/sci/A0857877.html
> "Within a given year, a maximum of seven eclipses can occur, either
> four solar and three lunar or five solar and two lunar."
In a given area such as where the seven churches of Christ are located,
this is considerably less frequent (about once every 10 years) and
darkening their skies in the order they are listed perhaps
unprecedented. Now throw in all the signs (Pakistan earthquake, Ariel
Sharon's stroke, volcano eruptions, fires in Australia, fires in
Oklahoma, hurricanes, tsunami, 0 degree temps in India, H5N1 Avian Flu
outbreak in Turkey, Iran possibly having Iraq's WMDs ...) and we are
writing about an event that is indeed unprecedented.
JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort
It does my heart good to see someone trained in a science abandon
reason to accomodate their superstition.
Pulpitfire
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> So, what will you say if, on March 30th, there has been no earth quake?
Possibilities are not absolutes.
However, if on 03/29/2006, we witness Iran using those missing WMDs
causing a chain of events leading to an earth-shaking nuclear
holocaust, please know that I will not be surprised.
Amen !!!
http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp
The 5th seal has been opened and glimpses of "the souls of those who
had been slain because of the Word of GOD and the testimony they had
maintained" (Revelation 6:9) can be seen in the newly released
documentary "End of the Spear."
JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > So, what will you say if, on March 30th, there has been no earth quake?
>
> Possibilities are not absolutes.
Thanks for nailing that down.
altb...@gmail.com
>Pulpitfire wrote:
> > So, what will you say if, on March 30th, there has been no earth quake?
>
> Possibilities are not absolutes.
Possibilities are not absolutes.
=================================================
1) Because the Tribulation is the time of "Jacob's trouble" (Jeremiah
30:7).
The twofold purpose of the Tribulation, is to prepare Israel,
spiritually, for the Messiah she rejected the first time (Jeremiah
30-33), and to rain judgment on the "inhabitants of the earth" (Rev.
3"10; 8:13). The only places in the gospel that refer to how God's
people should prepare for Tribulation life, are where He is addressing
Jews--primarily in Matthew, and a little in Luke. The gospel of
John--mainly adressing church age saints-- warns only of general
persecution. Read Revelation 12, to see who the players are during the
Tribulation. The woman who gave birth to the male child, is clearly
the nation Israel, not the church.
2) Because the rapture (catching up) is not part of the Day of the
Lord.
In 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 Paul has to educate them about the rapture
of the church, and our being caught up together with Him in the air.
By sharp contrast ("But") to the events of this rapture, he tells them
they already knew full well about the events of the "day of the
Lord"--the time when Tribulation judgment would fall on the inhabitants
of the earth.
Now how could they know full well about the Tribulation, but nothing
about the catching up (rapture) of the church? It seems the only way
is if the rapture of the church is not part of the events of the
Tribulation, in Scripture. If that's the case, then the rapture must
occur before the events of the Day of the Lord.
3) Because we're supposed to comfort one another with the hope of the
rapture (1 Thess. 4:18).
It would be hard to imagine "these words" as being a "comfort", if the
Thessalonians thought they'd have to endure the Tribulation before they
would get raptured.
4) Because we are not children of darkness (1 Thess. 5:5).
Regarding those events of the day of the Lord's judgment, Paul said
church age believers are not children of darkness, that the day of the
Lord should overtake them like a thief. It is the children of
darkness, and not children of light, who are overtaken, like a thief,
by the day of the Lord's judgment (5:4-5). It is when "they" (not
"you") say "peace and safety", that destruction shall come upon "them".
You might say then, that they will simply not be overtaken by the day
the way a thief is, but read on, where the passage shows God has not
appointed us to this Tribulation wrath at all.
5) Because God has not appointed us to wrath (1 Thess. 5:8-10).
In contrast to the drunken sleepers who will be overtaken like a thief
by the day of the Lord's judgment (which includes the Tribulation, and
not just eternal damnation), we, who are sober, are supposed to put on
for a helmet, the "hope of salvation". Why? Because God has "NOT
[emphasis mine] appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our
Lord Jesus Christ, Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we
should live together with him." This knowledge is supposed to be a
comfort, regarding not only those who sleep in Christ, but also the day
of the Lord's judgment. Whether we are alive or dead, we will be with
the Lord, and not experiencing the wrath of God that falls on the
drunken sleepers who are children of darkness (cf. Ephesians
5:8,13,14).
6) Because the rapture assures us we have not entered the Tribulation
(2 Thess. 2)
The Thessalonians were troubled by the thought that maybe they had
already entered the day of Tribulation. Paul besought them by the hope
of the "coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and our gathering together
unto Him", that they had not already entered the day of Christ's
judgment (2 Thess 2:1-2). This prospect of the coming of the Lord, and
gathering of the saints to be with Him, would not be a proof for them,
that they had not entered the Tribulation, if they had to endure the
entire, or even part of the Tribulation, before they were gathered to
the Lord. They could no thave entered the time of judgment (and
neither could we), becuase the gathering of church age saints (whether
they sleep or are alive) to the Lord will occur first, and this is the
hope by which Paul besought them.
7) Because God promised to deliver the church from the hour of
Tribulation (Revelation 3:10)
In Revelation 3:10, God promises to deliver the church from the very
hour in which the testing occurs for "them" "that dwell upon the
earth". How can they be delivered from testing that falls on earth
dwellers, and from the very hour in which the testing occurs, if they
still dwell on earth, or in a realm where earth time applies?
Apparently, the church will not dwell on earth during the hour the
testing occurs. This truth applies to whomever "has an ear" in the
"churches" (v13).
8) Because John was raptured before the "things which shall be
hereafter" (Rev 4:1)
In Revelation 1:19, John was told to write the "things which thou hast
seen " (vision of the resurrected Christ), the "things which are"
(letters to the "churches"), and the "things which shall be hereafter"
(Tribulation wrath upon the inhabitants of the earth). The letters to
the churches conclude the "the things which are". But before God shows
him the "things which shall be hereafter", He catches him up into
heaven (rapture), from earth (4:1). It is not until he is in heaven
that he sees the judgments which shall be "hereafter", falling on "them
who dwell on the earth". This is in keeping with the promise God just
made in Revelation 3:10, that the church will not go through the hour
of testing that falls on "them that dwell upon the earth", and that the
church (addressed in the "things which are"), is not part of the
"things which shall be hereafter".
9) Because Tribulation saints are not the "church".
Revelation 1-3 addresses believers as the "church" something like 19
times before Revelation 4 refers to the judgments which shall be
"hereafter" falling on "the inhabitants of the earth". Then, during
the time of the Tribulation, instantly believers are referred to only
by terms like "saints", and there is not one reference to the "church".
Israel, and the 144,000 chosen from the twelve tribes are the subjects
of God's sealing during that time, and not the church (cf. Revelation
12).
Now, is it just a coincidence Revelation refers to church age
believers, during the "things which are", as the "church" 19 times, and
then instantly stops calling believers the "church" once John is
raptured to heaven and the "things which shall be hereafter" begin? It
seems highly unlikely to me.
I don't believe God has appointed the church to the wrath which Paul
said would overtake the children of darkeness during the "day of the
Lord" (1 Thess. 5), but to salvation, through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Paul beseeches us, by the hope of our gathering to the Lord, not to
think we have entered into the day of the Lord, and exhorts us to
comfort one another with the hope of being raptured. If you want to
save people from the Tribulation, become an evangelist and tell them to
trust Christ as their Savior.
=================================================
jes...@phantomemail.com
Pulpitfire wrote:
> So, what will you say if, on March 30th, there has been no earth quake?
"Oops"?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
No.
Amen !!!
http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp
The 5th seal has been opened and glimpses of "the souls of those who
had been slain because of the Word of GOD and the testimony they had
maintained" (Revelation 6:9) can be seen in the newly released
documentary "End of the Spear."
When will the sun "turn black like sackcloth made of goat hair"
(Revelation 6:12b) ?
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/cbn2r
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
In truth, no evangelist has the power to save people from anything let
alone the great tribulation described in Revelation 6.
Anyone who predicts that a global earthquake will not happen on
03/29/2006 (ie by denouncing this advisory and/or this bond-servant)
may very well be one of the many false prophets whom the LORD predicted
would rise up immediately before HIS return.
Amen !!!
http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/cbn2r
altb...@gmail.com
> In truth, no evangelist has the power to save people from anything let
> alone the great tribulation described in Revelation 6.
Yes I know that, and so did Paul, yet we speak that way with the
understanding it is God who does the saving, as we find in Romans:
Ro 11:14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my
flesh, and might save some of them.
> Anyone who predicts that a global earthquake will not happen on
> 03/29/2006 (ie by denouncing this advisory and/or this bond-servant)
> may very well be one of the many false prophets whom the LORD predicted
> would rise up immediately before HIS return.
And anyone who predicts that something is going to happen, and then it
doesn't, is a false prophet who is supposed to die, as it says:
Deuteronomy 18
20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name,
which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the
name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.
21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which
the LORD hath not spoken?
22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing
follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not
spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not
be afraid of him.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > In truth, no evangelist has the power to save people from anything let
> > alone the great tribulation described in Revelation 6.
>
> Yes I know that, and so did Paul, yet we speak that way with the
> understanding it is God who does the saving, as we find in Romans:
>
> Ro 11:14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my
> flesh, and might save some of them.
And so Paul writes clearly that he has no means to save any of his
countrymen.
> > Anyone who predicts that a global earthquake will not happen on
> > 03/29/2006 (ie by denouncing this advisory and/or this bond-servant)
> > may very well be one of the many false prophets whom the LORD predicted
> > would rise up immediately before HIS return.
>
> And anyone who predicts that something is going to happen, and then it
> doesn't, is a false prophet who is supposed to die, as it says:
>
> Deuteronomy 18
> 20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name,
> which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the
> name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.
> 21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which
> the LORD hath not spoken?
> 22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing
> follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not
> spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not
> be afraid of him.
Correct.
Thankfully, the LORD has not guided me to predict that something is
going to happen but I am certain that if HE did guide me to predict
something, it will happen because it remains my choice to place my
faith in Christ Jesus. Would suggest you be mindful of what happened
to Hananiah:
"Then the prophet Jeremiah said to Hananiah the prophet, 'Listen,
Hananiah! The LORD has not sent you, yet you have persuaded this nation
to trust in lies. Therefore, this is what the LORD says: "I am about to
remove you from the face of the earth. This very year you are going to
die, because you have preached rebellion against the LORD." ' "
(Jeremiah 28:15-16)
Pulpitfire
> Thankfully, the LORD has not guided me to predict that something is
> going to happen but I am certain that if HE did guide me to predict
> something, it will happen because it remains my choice to place my
> faith in Christ Jesus. Would suggest you be mindful of what happened
> to Hananiah:
> "Then the prophet Jeremiah said to Hananiah the prophet, 'Listen,
> Hananiah! The LORD has not sent you, yet you have persuaded this nation
> to trust in lies. Therefore, this is what the LORD says: "I am about to
> remove you from the face of the earth. This very year you are going to
> die, because you have preached rebellion against the LORD." ' "
> (Jeremiah 28:15-16)
So if you suggest, based on an exposition of no Scripture whaterver,
the possibility of a global earthquake, and it doesn't happen, you are
not a false prophet. But if I show from Scripture why I believe the
church will not go through the Tribulation, then I'm rebelling against
the Lord, because you are supposedly his prophet? What are you saying?
===============================================
I believe the church will not go through the Tribulation:
bill ramsay
<nosp...@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>jes...@phantomemail.com wrote:
>> Pulpitfire wrote:
>> > So, what will you say if, on March 30th, there has been no earth quake?
>>
>> "Oops"?
>
>No.
>
How much do you want to be that there will be no such global
earthquake?
or do you mean that this is a global advisory that there will be an
earthquake?
If so, where and at what strength, when does a tremor become an
earthquake?
what's your criteria for proving this nonsense? a tremor somewhere in
the world?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> On 22 Jan 2006 13:40:31 -0800, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> <nosp...@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>
> >jes...@phantomemail.com wrote:
> >> Pulpitfire wrote:
> >> > So, what will you say if, on March 30th, there has been no earth quake?
> >>
> >> "Oops"?
> >
> >No.
> >
>
> How much do you want to be that there will be no such global
> earthquake?
You probable mean bet. No, this remains an advisory and not a call for
wagering. Please think of this as a global earthquake watch and not a
warning.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>
> > Thankfully, the LORD has not guided me to predict that something is
> > going to happen but I am certain that if HE did guide me to predict
> > something, it will happen because it remains my choice to place my
> > faith in Christ Jesus. Would suggest you be mindful of what happened
> > to Hananiah:
>
> > "Then the prophet Jeremiah said to Hananiah the prophet, 'Listen,
> > Hananiah! The LORD has not sent you, yet you have persuaded this nation
> > to trust in lies. Therefore, this is what the LORD says: "I am about to
> > remove you from the face of the earth. This very year you are going to
> > die, because you have preached rebellion against the LORD." ' "
> > (Jeremiah 28:15-16)
>
> So if you suggest, based on an exposition of no Scripture whaterver,
> the possibility of a global earthquake, and it doesn't happen, you are
> not a false prophet.
Where there is no prophesy, there is no prophet.
> But if I show from Scripture why I believe the
> church will not go through the Tribulation, then I'm rebelling against
> the Lord, because you are supposedly his prophet?
The LORD has giving me a discerning heart so that I am able to discern
when teachings are false.
> What are you saying?
It seems to be your wish to escape the great tribulation. Though it is
written that we are not to test the LORD, HE has and will continue to
test us.
JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> Pulpitfire wrote:
> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> >
> > > Thankfully, the LORD has not guided me to predict that something is
> > > going to happen but I am certain that if HE did guide me to predict
> > > something, it will happen because it remains my choice to place my
> > > faith in Christ Jesus. Would suggest you be mindful of what happened
> > > to Hananiah:
> >
> > > "Then the prophet Jeremiah said to Hananiah the prophet, 'Listen,
> > > Hananiah! The LORD has not sent you, yet you have persuaded this nation
> > > to trust in lies. Therefore, this is what the LORD says: "I am about to
> > > remove you from the face of the earth. This very year you are going to
> > > die, because you have preached rebellion against the LORD." ' "
> > > (Jeremiah 28:15-16)
> >
> > So if you suggest, based on an exposition of no Scripture whaterver,
> > the possibility of a global earthquake, and it doesn't happen, you are
> > not a false prophet.
>
> Where there is no prophesy, there is no prophet.
And where there is no honesty, there is a liar.
> > But if I show from Scripture why I believe the
> > church will not go through the Tribulation, then I'm rebelling against
> > the Lord, because you are supposedly his prophet?
>
> The LORD has giving me a discerning heart so that I am able to discern
> when teachings are false.
Secret decoder ring. Lucky you.
> > What are you saying?
>
> It seems to be your wish to escape the great tribulation. Though it is
> written that we are not to test the LORD, HE has and will continue to
> test us.
Golly, that pesky free will thing seems to be getting in your way.
JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> altbi...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > In truth, no evangelist has the power to save people from anything let
> > > alone the great tribulation described in Revelation 6.
> >
> > Yes I know that, and so did Paul, yet we speak that way with the
> > understanding it is God who does the saving, as we find in Romans:
> >
> > Ro 11:14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my
> > flesh, and might save some of them.
>
> And so Paul writes clearly that he has no means to save any of his
> countrymen.
Off topic for three of the four groups you've crossposted this to.
I'll let your isp know.
JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort
Off topic for three of the four groups you've crossposted this too.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
They already know:
Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
like cardiology, diabetes, cooking and nutrition that interest those
following this thread here during the next on-line chat (01/26/06):
blackr...@yahoo.com
religious lectures,
http://www.medhelp.org/forums/cardio/
The above link is run by the cardiologists at The Cleveland Clinic.
bill ramsay
<nos...@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>bill ramsay wrote:
>> On 22 Jan 2006 13:40:31 -0800, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>> <nosp...@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>>
>> >jes...@phantomemail.com wrote:
>> >> Pulpitfire wrote:
>> >> > So, what will you say if, on March 30th, there has been no earth quake?
>> >>
>> >> "Oops"?
>> >
>> >No.
>> >
>>
>> How much do you want to be that there will be no such global
>> earthquake?
>
>You probable mean bet. No, this remains an advisory and not a call for
>wagering. Please think of this as a global earthquake watch and not a
>warning.
Ah so it's not going to definately happen?
Well here's another watch for you, the moon is going to crash into
the earth, and another, the sun wont rise one day, see: just as
nonsensical as yours.
>
>May the LORD help us all to face the great tribulation when the Lamb
>opens the 6th seal possibly in less than a few months (03/29/06), in
>Jesus' most precious and holy name.
>
>Amen !!!
>
well sonny, if there is going to be a global earthquake, any lamb is
going to be kebabed.
anyway, what would precipitate a global earth quake, all the
tectonic plates decidin to jump three feet to the left at the same
time?
you are obviously a complete loony.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
> On 22 Jan 2006 21:02:18 -0800, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> <nos...@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>
> >bill ramsay wrote:
> >> On 22 Jan 2006 13:40:31 -0800, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> >> <nosp...@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >jes...@phantomemail.com wrote:
> >> >> Pulpitfire wrote:
> >> >> > So, what will you say if, on March 30th, there has been no earth quake?
> >> >>
> >> >> "Oops"?
> >> >
> >> >No.
> >> >
> >>
> >> How much do you want to be that there will be no such global
> >> earthquake?
> >
> >You probable mean bet. No, this remains an advisory and not a call for
> >wagering. Please think of this as a global earthquake watch and not a
> >warning.
>
> Ah so it's not going to definately happen?
Only the LORD knows the answer to your question. All the signs are now
present for the opening of the sixth seal. The possibility that this
will happen on 03/29/2006 remains.
> Well here's another watch for you, the moon is going to crash into
> the earth,
Though it seems to be your choice to prophesize, it remains my choice to
refrain.
> and another, the sun wont rise one day, see: just as
> nonsensical as yours.
This remains an advisory and not prophecy.
May the LORD help us all to endure the great tribulation when the Lamb
opens the 6th seal possibly in just a couple of months (03/29/06), in
Jesus' most precious and holy name.
Amen !!!
Now this is about what are possibly the works of the four horsemen from
the 6th chapter of the Book of Revelation (we are now in the 6th year
into the third millenium after the birth of the Son of Man):
(1) Crowned rider wielding a bow and riding a white horse:
"See you on the other side. It's not bad. We are just going to sleep."
- missive (missile) from one of 12 born-again Christian miners who gave
up their lives to save the youngest among them after being trapped by an
explosion in a W.Va mine.
(2) Rider wielding a sword and riding a fiery red horse:
Ariel Sharon, the world's hope for lasting peace in the middle east, has
suffered a massive bleeding stroke. Violence and bloodshed in Iraq
escalates. U.S. now less likely to pull out of Iraq anytime soon.
(3) Rider wielding a set of food scales and riding a black horse:
The rate of increase of the number of people worldwide using the
2PD-OMER Approach (which advocates the use of food scales) accelerates
with growing worldwide concerns about the obesity epidemic:
http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp
Meanwhile, folks like Bob Pastorio who refuse to use this Approach are
heard muttering that an omer is not a weight measure but a volume
measure somewhere between one and three quarts depending on what the
food is and that liquid foods like milk (emulsified oil) and wine should
not be counted toward daily intake.
(4) Rider on a pale horse given the authority to kill a fourth of the
world's population "by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts
of the earth":
The H5N1 Avian Flu Pandemic seems to be starting in Turkey:
Yes, the migratory birds spreading H5N1 virus are wild beasts of the
earth.
The 5th seal possibly has been opened and glimpses of "the souls of
those who had been slain because of the Word of GOD and the testimony
they had maintained" (Revelation 6:9) can be seen in the newly released
documentary "End of the Spear." Interestingly, the word "end" is at the
**beginning** of the title of this documentary.
When will the sun "turn black like sackcloth made of goat hair"
(Revelation 6:12b) ?
It will turn black during the total solar eclipse that will happen
**also** in Turkey on Wednesday 03/29/2006 at around 14:00 hrs LT.
The order of darkening of the following ancient cities in Turkey:
(1) Ephesus
(2) Smyrna
(3) Pergamum
(4) Thyatira
(5) Sardis
(6) Philadelphia
(7) Laodicea
Will be the same order that Christ Jesus used to address their
respective seven churches:
"Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to
Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyratira, Sardis, Philadelphia and
Laodicea." (Revelation 1:11)
Here's one plausible scenario:
On March 29th, 2006 as U.S. and Israeli coalition forces invade Iran to
effect the mandate that Iran never have nuclear capabilities, Iran uses
those **missing** WMDs that Saddam entrusted to Iran for safekeeping and
this leads to nuclear missiles from coalition forces as a retaliatory
strike that inadvertantly destabilizes the continental tectonic plates
(Europe, Asia, and Africa) that converge in this region thereby causing
a global earthquake. Now read Revelation 6:13-14 slowly and you decide
whether there is a fit.
Will be available to chat about this and other things like cardiology,
diabetes, cooking and nutrition that interest those following this
thread here during the next on-line chat (01/26/06) from 6 to 7 pm EST:
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how
the LORD has reshaped me:
Prayerfully in Christ's love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/b6xwk
bill ramsay
<and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>bill ramsay wrote:
>>
>> On 22 Jan 2006 21:02:18 -0800, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>> <nos...@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>>
>> >bill ramsay wrote:
>> >> On 22 Jan 2006 13:40:31 -0800, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>> >> <nosp...@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >jes...@phantomemail.com wrote:
>> >> >> Pulpitfire wrote:
>> >> >> > So, what will you say if, on March 30th, there has been no earth quake?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Oops"?
>> >> >
>> >> >No.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> How much do you want to be that there will be no such global
>> >> earthquake?
>> >
>> >You probable mean bet. No, this remains an advisory and not a call for
>> >wagering. Please think of this as a global earthquake watch and not a
>> >warning.
>>
>> Ah so it's not going to definately happen?
>
>Only the LORD knows the answer to your question. All the signs are now
>present for the opening of the sixth seal. The possibility that this
>will happen on 03/29/2006 remains.
of course the possibility remains, how bloody obvious is that, how
about making a concrete predition then.
>
>> Well here's another watch for you, the moon is going to crash into
>> the earth,
>
>Though it seems to be your choice to prophesize, it remains my choice to
>refrain.
>
so you can't answer then
>> and another, the sun wont rise one day, see: just as
>> nonsensical as yours.
>
>This remains an advisory and not prophecy.
you are full of shit.
snip the rest of the pasted crap.
>
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:55:15 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> <and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>
> >bill ramsay wrote:
> >>
> >> On 22 Jan 2006 21:02:18 -0800, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> >> <nos...@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >bill ramsay wrote:
> >> >> On 22 Jan 2006 13:40:31 -0800, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> >> >> <nosp...@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >jes...@phantomemail.com wrote:
> >> >> >> Pulpitfire wrote:
> >> >> >> > So, what will you say if, on March 30th, there has been no earth quake?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "Oops"?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >No.
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> How much do you want to be that there will be no such global
> >> >> earthquake?
> >> >
> >> >wagering. Please think of this as a global earthquake watch and not a
> >> >warning.
> >>
> >> Ah so it's not going to definately happen?
> >
> >Only the LORD knows the answer to your question. All the signs are now
> >present for the opening of the sixth seal. The possibility that this
> >will happen on 03/29/2006 remains.
>
> of course the possibility remains, how bloody obvious is that, how
> about making a concrete predition then.
Ok. If through the LORD's infinite will the possibility of a global
earthquake on 03/29/2006 is realized, **everyone** will then know that
the Lamb is the KING of kings and the LORD of lords.
Amen !!!
http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp
U.S. Nuclear Subs carry Trident II missiles each packing 8
independently precision targeting nuclear warheads which have 475
kilotons of explosive power each. A single warhead has about 35 times
the explosive power of the "little boy" atomic bomb that was dropped on
Hiroshima at the close of WWII. Each warhead would be guided in
inertially exhibiting a freefall pattern with a forward velocity like
"late figs" dropping " from a fig tree when shaken by a stong
wind."(Revelation 6:13) U.S. Forces will likely use these Trident II
missiles if they lose contact with the outside world while being
attacked with WMDs.
Will be available to chat about this and other things like cardiology,
diabetes, cooking and nutrition that interest those following this
thread here during the next on-line chat today(01/26/06) from 6 to 7 pm
JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort
Nope. Unless you can prove (that means provide objective, verifiable
evidence, not merely your unsupported assertions) that this "global
earthquake" could only have been the result of divine action.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
The LORD's purpose for me here remains to inform folks about the truth.
The truth remains undeniable.
Please forward the following link to everyone:
Prayerfully in Christ's love always and forever,
Andrew
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified in Cardiology and Internal Medicine
Advisor to the Wellness Foundation, Inc.
http://www.TheWellnessFoundation.com
Founder of HeartMDPhD.com
http://www.HeartMDPhD.com
Author of EmoryCardiology.com
http://www.EmoryCardiology.com
Sanity's Little Helper
> The truth remains undeniable.
>
> Please forward the following link to everyone:
http://www.karisable.com/skazmanson.htm
Two words, Chung: Psychological Profile.
--
D Silverman FLAHN, SMLAHN
AA #2208, HB #6
Tohu...@hotmail.com
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> David Matthieu P.P. wrote:
> > Private E-mails that were sent to the Baptist Pastor Lothar Lessee have been
> > published on several Usenet Public Newsgroups with the intent to denigrate
> > and vilify a Poster regarding her sexual Orientation.
>
> The possible global devastation on 3/29/2006 should be a greater
> concern for all.
>
> May the LORD help us all to face the great tribulation when the Lamb
> opens the 6th seal possibly in less than a few months (03/29/06), in
> Jesus' most precious and holy name.
>
> Amen !!!
>
> Now this is about the works of the four horsemen from the 6th chapter
> of the Book of Revelation (we are now in the 6th year into the third
> millenium after the birth of the Son of Man):
>
> (1) Crowned rider wielding a bow and riding a white horse:
>
> "See you on the other side. It's not bad. We are just going to
> sleep." - missive (missile) from one of 12 born-again Christian miners
> who gave up their lives to save the youngest among them after being
> trapped by an explosion in a W.Va mine.
>
> (2) Rider wielding a sword and riding a fiery red horse:
>
> Ariel Sharon, the world's hope for lasting peace in the middle east,
> suffers a massive bleeding stroke. Violence and bloodshed in Iraq
> escalates. U.S. now less likely to pull out of Iraq anytime soon.
>
> (3) Rider wielding a set of food scales and riding a black horse:
>
> The rate of increase of the number of people worldwide using the
> 2PD-OMER Approach (which advocates the use of food scales) accelerates
> with growing worldwide concerns about the obesity epidemic:
>
> http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp
>
> Meanwhile, folks like Bob Pastorio who refuse to use this Approach are
> heard muttering that an omer is not a weight measure but a volume
> measure somewhere between one and three quarts depending on what the
> food is and that liquid foods like milk (emulsified oil) and wine
> should not be counted toward daily intake.
>
> (4) Rider on a pale horse given the authority to kill a fourth of the
> world's population "by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts
> of the earth":
>
> The H5N1 Avian Flu Pandemic seems to be starting in Turkey:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/amj4a
>
> Yes, the migratory birds spreading H5N1 virus are wild beasts of the
> earth.
>
> When will the sun "turn black like sackcloth made of goat hair"
> (Revelation 6:12b) ?
>
> It will turn black during the total solar eclipse that will happen
> **also** in Turkey on Wednesday 03/29/2006 at around 14:00 hrs LT.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/dcj7w
>
> The order of darkening of the following ancient cities in Turkey:
>
> (1) Ephesus
> (2) Smyrna
> (3) Pergamum
> (4) Thyatira
> (5) Sardis
> (6) Philadelphia
> (7) Laodicea
>
> Will be the same order that Christ Jesus used to address the seven
> churches:
>
> "Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to
> Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyratira, Sardis, Philadelphia and
> Laodicea." (Revelation 1:11)
>
> Would be more than happy to "glow" and chat about this and other things
> like cardiology, diabetes, cooking and nutrition that interest those
> following this thread here during the next on-line chat (01/19/06) from
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> FUCK YOU LIAR
>
Sorry the advisory bothered you so terribly. Please forgive all my
iniquities.
For others who are following this thread...
Please forward the following link to everyone:
Bob (this one)
> JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort wrote:
>
>>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>>>Ok. If through the LORD's infinite will the possibility of a global
>>>earthquake on 03/29/2006 is realized, **everyone** will then know that
>>>the Lamb is the KING of kings and the LORD of lords.
>>
>>Nope. Unless you can prove (that means provide objective, verifiable
>>evidence, not merely your unsupported assertions) that this "global
>>earthquake" could only have been the result of divine action.
>
> The LORD's purpose for me here remains to inform folks about the truth.
"Your honor, move to strike... Witness isn't witnessing nor is he
informing. Nor are the lord's purpose or the truth in evidence..."
"So moved."
Pastorio
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort wrote:
> >
> >>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>
> >>>Ok. If through the LORD's infinite will the possibility of a global
> >>>earthquake on 03/29/2006 is realized, **everyone** will then know that
> >>>the Lamb is the KING of kings and the LORD of lords.
> >>
> >>Nope. Unless you can prove (that means provide objective, verifiable
> >>evidence, not merely your unsupported assertions) that this "global
> >>earthquake" could only have been the result of divine action.
> >
> > The LORD's purpose for me here remains to inform folks about the truth.
>
> "Your honor, move to strike... Witness isn't witnessing nor is he
> informing. Nor are the lord's purpose or the truth in evidence..."
>
> "So moved."
Thankfully, the LORD, Himself will be the Judge:
http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/Christ.asp
Prayerfully in Christ's love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/8juld
Bob (this one)
> Bob (this one) wrote:
>
>>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>>
>>>JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>>
>>>>>Ok. If through the LORD's infinite will the possibility of a global
>>>>>earthquake on 03/29/2006 is realized, **everyone** will then know that
>>>>>the Lamb is the KING of kings and the LORD of lords.
>>>>
>>>>Nope. Unless you can prove (that means provide objective, verifiable
>>>>evidence, not merely your unsupported assertions) that this "global
>>>>earthquake" could only have been the result of divine action.
>>>
>>>The LORD's purpose for me here remains to inform folks about the truth.
>>
>>"Your honor, move to strike... Witness isn't witnessing nor is he
>>informing. Nor are the lord's purpose or the truth in evidence..."
>>
>>"So moved."
>
> Thankfully, the LORD, Himself will be the Judge:
That will be then. This is now.
Pastorio
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
The LORD remains timeless.
Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
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Prayerfully in Christ's love,
Andrew
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Bob (this one)
> Bob (this one) wrote:
>
>>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>>
>>>Bob (this one) wrote:
>>>
>>>>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>Ok. If through the LORD's infinite will the possibility of a global
>>>>>>>earthquake on 03/29/2006 is realized, **everyone** will then know that
>>>>>>>the Lamb is the KING of kings and the LORD of lords.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Nope. Unless you can prove (that means provide objective, verifiable
>>>>>>evidence, not merely your unsupported assertions) that this "global
>>>>>>earthquake" could only have been the result of divine action.
>>>>>
>>>>>The LORD's purpose for me here remains to inform folks about the truth.
>>>>
>>>>"Your honor, move to strike... Witness isn't witnessing nor is he
>>>>informing. Nor are the lord's purpose or the truth in evidence..."
>>>>
>>>>"So moved."
>>>
>>>Thankfully, the LORD, Himself will be the Judge:
>>
>>That will be then. This is now.
>
> The LORD remains timeless.
And you remain gormless. In the here and now.
Pastorio
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
If you were secure in the truth, you too would have the strength to
resist the temptation of descending into namecalling.
Now, please don't forget to forward the following link to everyone:
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Bob (this one)
An observation. You know, just like yours. I discern that the
observation is accurate without having to judge anything because that
information leaped into my brain through my forehead, kinda like a
reverse Athena...
> Now, please don't forget to forward the following link to everyone:
But it's a shame you're now promoting spamming. tsk, tsk...
> Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
> cardiology, diabetes, cooking and nutrition that interest those
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Funny how two (and a fraction of another person - connection kept
breaking or was quickly terminated - so nothing posted) of you were the
entire group in attendance for the last one. Not going all that well,
those chat sessions. A party with no attendees. Sad, sad thing...
Pastorio
Blash
> Funny how two (and a fraction of another person - connection kept
> breaking or was quickly terminated - so nothing posted) of you were the
> entire group in attendance for the last one.
For some reason, I think that may be the story of his life......
Can you picture being locked in a room with him for an hour???
JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> Bob (this one) wrote:
> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > Bob (this one) wrote:
> > >
> > >>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>>>Ok. If through the LORD's infinite will the possibility of a global
> > >>>>>earthquake on 03/29/2006 is realized, **everyone** will then know that
> > >>>>>the Lamb is the KING of kings and the LORD of lords.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Nope. Unless you can prove (that means provide objective, verifiable
> > >>>>evidence, not merely your unsupported assertions) that this "global
> > >>>>earthquake" could only have been the result of divine action.
> > >>>
> > >>>The LORD's purpose for me here remains to inform folks about the truth.
> > >>
> > >>"Your honor, move to strike... Witness isn't witnessing nor is he
> > >>informing. Nor are the lord's purpose or the truth in evidence..."
> > >>
> > >>"So moved."
> > >
> > > Thankfully, the LORD, Himself will be the Judge:
> >
> > That will be then. This is now.
>
> The LORD remains timeless.
And you remain a dishonest crossposting asshole.
JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort
Fuck off, lying asshole.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort wrote:
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > Bob (this one) wrote:
> > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > Bob (this one) wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>>JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>>>>Ok. If through the LORD's infinite will the possibility of a global
> > > >>>>>earthquake on 03/29/2006 is realized, **everyone** will then know that
> > > >>>>>the Lamb is the KING of kings and the LORD of lords.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>Nope. Unless you can prove (that means provide objective, verifiable
> > > >>>>evidence, not merely your unsupported assertions) that this "global
> > > >>>>earthquake" could only have been the result of divine action.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>The LORD's purpose for me here remains to inform folks about the truth.
> > > >>
> > > >>"Your honor, move to strike... Witness isn't witnessing nor is he
> > > >>informing. Nor are the lord's purpose or the truth in evidence..."
> > > >>
> > > >>"So moved."
> > > >
> > > > Thankfully, the LORD, Himself will be the Judge:
> > >
> > > That will be then. This is now.
> >
> > The LORD remains timeless.
>
> And you remain a dishonest crossposting asshole.
If you were secure in the truth, you too would have the strength to
resist the temptation of descending into namecallling.
lu...@webalorixa.net
Who is the one who is 'Crowned rider wielding a bow and riding a white
horse'?
End of the spear is just a film, man, a bad one by the way, flawed in
all senses.
Ariel Sharon is a politician and a former military man, where exactly
does the peace thing fit into his role in this prophetic view of yours?
Are you calling the peace of men the same as the peace of God?
Obesity epidemic? Have you ever heard of Africa, doctor? Come on man, I
have seen many born again Christians that have gone the same way,
converted, studied the Bible, made calculations, discovered the day
Jesus was coming. With all due respect to the Seventh Day Adventists,
but you sound like a former SDA who could not get enough of Jesus at
church and started over-studying the Bible up to the point you got
today.
Ok, so let's say all your views are true, what would the real
importance of this be then? Would the scope of the message of Jesus get
any better? Would that somehow be even important at all? Would
anyone's salvation depend on knowing which date or hour was set by God?
The question is simple: what do I have to do in order to be saved?
Love thy neighbour as yourself and love God above all things.
Simplify man.
Luis
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
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bill ramsay wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:55:15 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> <and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
> >bill ramsay wrote:
> >> On 22 Jan 2006 21:02:18 -0800, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> >> <nosp...@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
> >> >bill ramsay wrote:
> >> >> On 22 Jan 2006 13:40:31 -0800, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew,
>
> Who is the one who is 'Crowned rider wielding a bow and riding a white
> horse'?
A spirit of GOD.
> End of the spear is just a film, man, a bad one by the way, flawed in
> all senses.
Despite your opinion, it nonetheless serves the LORD's purpose.
> Ariel Sharon is a politician and a former military man, where exactly
> does the peace thing fit into his role in this prophetic view of yours?
This is an advisory and not prophecy.
> Are you calling the peace of men the same as the peace of God?
No.
> Obesity epidemic?
Yes.
> Have you ever heard of Africa, doctor?
Yes. An epidemic is not the same as a pandemic.
> Come on man, I
> have seen many born again Christians that have gone the same way,
> converted, studied the Bible, made calculations, discovered the day
> Jesus was coming.
This advisory is not about the day of Jesus' second coming.
> With all due respect to the Seventh Day Adventists,
> but you sound like a former SDA who could not get enough of Jesus at
> church and started over-studying the Bible up to the point you got
> today.
It is not possible to over-study the Bible.
> Ok, so let's say all your views are true, what would the real
> importance of this be then?
This would vary from person to person.
> Would the scope of the message of Jesus get
> any better?
This would again vary from person to person.
> Would that somehow be even important at all?
This would again vary from person to person.
> Would
> anyone's salvation depend on knowing which date or hour was set by God?
This would again vary from person to person.
> The question is simple: what do I have to do in order to be saved?
>
> Love thy neighbour as yourself and love God above all things.
Without faith in the LORD, neither is possible.
> Simplify man.
If you wish to be saved, you must believe though faith that Christ
Jesus laid down HIS life so that your sins would be forgiven:
http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/Christ.asp
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For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:
Prayerfully in Christ's love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/8juld
JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > Andrew,
> >
> > Who is the one who is 'Crowned rider wielding a bow and riding a white
> > horse'?
>
> A spirit of GOD.
Or a hallucination.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
No.
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Don Kirkman
Gastrich's effort wrote in article
<1139410955.1...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>:
>> A spirit of GOD.
>Or a hallucination.
Or, in truth, an example of a literary style of Semitic writing roughly
two millennia ago; called apocrypha(l), its purpose is to share
information and support among members of a group in writings intended to
be unintelligible to non-members. The riders, the beasts, the angels
were all symbols familiar to the believers; some of the modern
interpretations and guesses are closer to magic and necromancy than to
the intent of the writer(s) of Revelation.
The Book of Revelation is an extended example of this style (so is the
Book of Daniel and other shorter writings in the Jewish scriptures).
Two pressing issues of early Christianity were its conflict with some
elements of Judaism and concurrent suspicion from Rome. The Book of
Revelation sets out in highly symbolic style the expectation that in a
very short time Jesus would return and lead his followers to an age of
peace with relief from the problems and dangers they faced. One thing
Revelation is NOT is a map of the course of history or a collection of
predictions for the fate of mankind.
--
Don Kirkman
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> It seems to me I heard somewhere that JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason
> Gastrich's effort wrote in article
> <1139410955.1...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>:
>
> >Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> >> lu...@webalorixa.net wrote:
>
> >> > Who is the one who is 'Crowned rider wielding a bow and riding a white
> >> > horse'?
>
> >> A spirit of GOD.
>
> >Or a hallucination.
>
> Or, in truth, an example of a literary style of Semitic writing roughly
> two millennia ago; called apocrypha(l), its purpose is to share
> information and support among members of a group in writings intended to
> be unintelligible to non-members. The riders, the beasts, the angels
> were all symbols familiar to the believers; some of the modern
> interpretations and guesses are closer to magic and necromancy than to
> the intent of the writer(s) of Revelation.
As if you were able to discern the truth.
> The Book of Revelation is an extended example of this style (so is the
> Book of Daniel and other shorter writings in the Jewish scriptures).
> Two pressing issues of early Christianity were its conflict with some
> elements of Judaism and concurrent suspicion from Rome. The Book of
> Revelation sets out in highly symbolic style the expectation that in a
> very short time Jesus would return and lead his followers to an age of
> peace with relief from the problems and dangers they faced. One thing
> Revelation is NOT is a map of the course of history or a collection of
> predictions for the fate of mankind.
It seems you find comfort in disbelief.
May the LORD help us all to endure the great tribulation when the Lamb
opens the 6th seal possibly in less than a couple of months (03/29/06),
Amen !!!
http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> Don Kirkman wrote:
> > It seems to me I heard somewhere that JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason
> > Gastrich's effort wrote in article
> > <1139410955.1...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>:
> >
> > >Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > >> lu...@webalorixa.net wrote:
> >
> > >> > Who is the one who is 'Crowned rider wielding a bow and riding a white
> > >> > horse'?
> >
> > >> A spirit of GOD.
> >
> > >Or a hallucination.
> >
> > Or, in truth, an example of a literary style of Semitic writing roughly
> > two millennia ago; called apocrypha(l), its purpose is to share
> > information and support among members of a group in writings intended to
> > be unintelligible to non-members. The riders, the beasts, the angels
> > were all symbols familiar to the believers; some of the modern
> > interpretations and guesses are closer to magic and necromancy than to
> > the intent of the writer(s) of Revelation.
>
> As if you were able to discern the truth.
Pirate walks in to a bar with a steering wheel down his pants.
Bartender says, "Hey, why the steering wheel in your pants?" Pirate
says, "Arrrr, it's drivin' me nuts."
Bob (this one)
Two cannibals are sitting out in the jungle eating a clown. One turns to
the other and says, "Does this taste funny to you?"
Pastorio
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
It is clear your heart remains in your stomach.
May the LORD help us all to endure the great tribulation when the Lamb
opens the 6th seal possibly in just a couple of months (03/29/06), in
Amen !!!
http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp
The order of darkening of the following ancient cities in Turkey:
(1) Ephesus
(2) Smyrna
(3) Pergamum
(4) Thyatira
(5) Sardis
(6) Philadelphia
(7) Laodicea
Will be the same order that Christ Jesus used to address their
respective seven churches:
"Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to
Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyratira, Sardis, Philadelphia and
Laodicea." (Revelation 1:11)
Here's one plausible scenario:
On March 29th, 2006 as U.S. and Israeli coalition forces invade Iran to
effect the mandate that Iran never have nuclear capabilities, Iran uses
those **missing** WMDs that Saddam entrusted to Iran for safekeeping
and this leads to nuclear missiles from coalition forces as a
retaliatory strike that inadvertantly destabilizes the continental
tectonic plates (Europe, Asia, and Africa) that converge in this region
thereby causing a global earthquake. Now read Revelation 6:13-14
slowly and you decide whether there is a fit.
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Bob (this one)
> Bob (this one) wrote:
>
>>JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort wrote:
>>
>>>Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>>>
>>>>Don Kirkman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Or, in truth, an example of a literary style of Semitic writing roughly
>>>>>two millennia ago; called apocrypha(l), its purpose is to share
>>>>>information and support among members of a group in writings intended to
>>>>>be unintelligible to non-members. The riders, the beasts, the angels
>>>>>were all symbols familiar to the believers; some of the modern
>>>>>interpretations and guesses are closer to magic and necromancy than to
>>>>>the intent of the writer(s) of Revelation.
>>>>
>>>>As if you were able to discern the truth.
Chung dismisses history by asserting that others can't understand it.
Bwah...
>>>Pirate walks in to a bar with a steering wheel down his pants.
>>>Bartender says, "Hey, why the steering wheel in your pants?" Pirate
>>>says, "Arrrr, it's drivin' me nuts."
>>
>>Two cannibals are sitting out in the jungle eating a clown. One turns to
>>the other and says, "Does this taste funny to you?"
>>
>>Pastorio
>
> It is clear your heart remains in your stomach.
It is clear that you have not the remotest scintilla of a sense of humor.
It is also clear that you will spare no opportunity to try to take a
shot at me. I can't say that I feel bad to have affected you that way.
If you truly were an honest man, none of my comments pointing out your
duplicity and fraudulence would ever have happened. If you actually were
what you pretend to be, no comment would ever have happened.
But you're an ego-driven fraud. Plain and simple.
Pastorio
Don Kirkman
article <1139486156.0...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>:
>Don Kirkman wrote:
>> It seems to me I heard somewhere that JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason
>> Gastrich's effort wrote in article
>> <1139410955.1...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>:
>> >Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>> >> lu...@webalorixa.net wrote:
>> >> > Who is the one who is 'Crowned rider wielding a bow and riding a white
>> >> > horse'?
>> >> A spirit of GOD.
>> >Or a hallucination.
>> Or, in truth, an example of a literary style of Semitic writing roughly
>> two millennia ago; called apocrypha(l), its purpose is to share
>> information and support among members of a group in writings intended to
>> be unintelligible to non-members. The riders, the beasts, the angels
>> were all symbols familiar to the believers; some of the modern
>> interpretations and guesses are closer to magic and necromancy than to
>> the intent of the writer(s) of Revelation.
>As if you were able to discern the truth.
Andrew, I've probably spent nearly as much time in post-graduate studies
as you have (three separate institutions), and much of that study
concerned precisely these kinds of issues: the validity and integrity
of the manuscript documents, the history of the interpretation of those
and subsequent documents, the teachings of the church community through
the centuries, and the relationship of the teachings to social,
cultural, and political issues. Without going into how or if I relate
personally to those topics, I have taken to time to learn them. You
obviously prefer to "discern" this without even understanding the
meaning of the texts you blithely snip and post.
>> The Book of Revelation is an extended example of this style (so is the
>> Book of Daniel and other shorter writings in the Jewish scriptures).
>> Two pressing issues of early Christianity were its conflict with some
>> elements of Judaism and concurrent suspicion from Rome. The Book of
>> Revelation sets out in highly symbolic style the expectation that in a
>> very short time Jesus would return and lead his followers to an age of
>> peace with relief from the problems and dangers they faced. One thing
>> Revelation is NOT is a map of the course of history or a collection of
>> predictions for the fate of mankind.
>It seems you find comfort in disbelief.
It seems you find comfort in implying things not in evidence. You do
not and could not possibly have any knowledge of what I believe or
disbelieve. Nor does explaining the background and meaning of a
Biblical passage have anything to do with the belief of anyone.
--
Don Kirkman
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Without the LORD, all that you believe you have learned are meaningless
(Ecclesiastes).
Amen !!!
http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp
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