Re: weight-loss / fitness software, fitday et al
Mu
<roger...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Dude...this "degree of extreme accuracy" is in your mind. Just measure
>portions and account for foods you eat.
Rog, you're a convert......to reality.
Is this where you bow to the Chung-Mu throne of the 2 pound diet?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:03:36 -0400, "Roger Zoul"
> <roger...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Dude...this "degree of extreme accuracy" is in your mind. Just measure
> >portions and account for foods you eat.
>
> Rog, you're a convert......to reality.
... which is the truth.
"I am the way, the truth, and the life ... " -- LORD Jesus Christ
Amen !
Laus Deo ! !
Marana tha ! ! !
> Is this where you bow to the Chung-Mu throne of the 2 pound diet?
Tsk, tsk... remember the 2PD-OMER Approach has never been a diet from
the outset despite the misnomer:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp
The proof is that we can dovetail the 2PD-OMER Approach with any
diet... even with the much maligned low-carb diet.
May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water, dear friend
Mu whom I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f4dad7fe68478acf?
Roger Zoul
:: On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:03:36 -0400, "Roger Zoul"
Absolutely.........NOT. Calorie counting works, if you do it.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
If you do the calorie counting right, you end up weighing the food but
still never being certain about how much you are eating.
May GOD continue to mercifully keep your heart beating, dear neighbor
Roger whom I love unconditionally.
Roger Zoul
:: Roger Zoul wrote:
::: Mu wrote:
::::: On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:03:36 -0400, "Roger Zoul"
::::: <roger...@hotmail.com> wrote:
:::::
:::::: Dude...this "degree of extreme accuracy" is in your mind. Just
:::::: measure portions and account for foods you eat.
:::::
::::: Rog, you're a convert......to reality.
:::::
::::: Is this where you bow to the Chung-Mu throne of the 2 pound diet?
:::
::: Absolutely.........NOT. Calorie counting works, if you do it.
::
:: If you do the calorie counting right, you end up weighing the food
:: but still never being certain about how much you are eating.
Obviously, then, being certain how much you are eating is not important.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Actually, the widespread failure of calorie counting to help people
achieve lasting (> 5yrs) significant ( > 20%) weight loss indicates
that not being certain about how much one is eating is a serious
drawback.
Enter the 2PD-OMER Approach...
http://HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Roger whom I
Mu
<roger...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Mu wrote:
>:: On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:03:36 -0400, "Roger Zoul"
>:: <roger...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>::
>::: Dude...this "degree of extreme accuracy" is in your mind. Just
>::: measure portions and account for foods you eat.
>::
>:: Rog, you're a convert......to reality.
>::
>:: Is this where you bow to the Chung-Mu throne of the 2 pound diet?
>
>Absolutely.........NOT. Calorie counting works, if you do it.
Still preaching that nonsense, are you, Holy Cow, we shot the cal
counting mythology dead a couple of years ago.
I thought.
Pass me your bomb calorimeter and...what, you don't have one? Then how
do you know the cals you ate? A book told you? lol
Which books, I got books that disagree to the tune of as much as 25%
on the portion sizes. How much chicken skin was there? How much fat
under the skin? How much wasn't cooked off?
This so simple to understand but if you take cal counting away, what
have you got left?
One more time. If you count cals, and you eat 2,000 cals a day and
that is your "no weight gain" cal baseline, if you are off just 10%
each day (which it is more likely that you are off more than that),
what's 200 x 30? How much weight did you just gain?
<eom>
Hollywood
Mu wrote:
> One more time. If you count cals, and you eat 2,000 cals a day and
> that is your "no weight gain" cal baseline, if you are off just 10%
> each day (which it is more likely that you are off more than that),
> what's 200 x 30? How much weight did you just gain?
Amazing. Actual content from the Mu-Cow. Lemme be quick to respond.
First, let's kick the error of your way. You assume that the person is
always off by +10%. That's a crappy assumption. It is also possible
that they are off by -10% if we are going from the book.
Your second bad assumption is the 2000 calorie assumption. I wouldn't
diet like this, but lemme try and extrapolate. If I'm hard capping my
diet at 2K calories, I will probably not eat 2K calories in any given
day, even by the book value. Most days, I will probably be a little
under. I'll be in the neighborhood, but mostly under, especially if I'm
being dilligent around the hard cap. So, my average is probably more
like 1900 or 1950. If I get an extra 10% that isn't in the book on my
1900, I'm at 2090 for the day. If my book overstates by 10%, then I'm
closer to 1700. It cuts all kinds of ways.
When you weigh your food (as seen in the 2PD-OMER Diet), without regard
for the actual macronutrient content of the food (save a doctor imposed
set of guidelines, or something divinely revealed, or whatever), you
could be having calorie variations much larger than 10% around the
mean. And by much larger, I mean just that. Maybe an order of
magnitude.
One last thing. If you are comparing 2PDOMER to 2000 Cal, I think you
are being disingenuous. No one is surprised in the least that 2PD-OMER
would be associated with such behavior. The reason I say that you are
being less than honest in your comparison is this: I do not believe
that the average number of calories found in the average 2PD-OMER daily
diet is 2000. The hunger described in such deail in the two and a half
pages of narrow margined directions does not seem consistent with 2000
calories. I suppose we could use nutritiondata.com to figure it out.
But it seems like a lot of work on my behalf for the likes of you and
your cuddle bunny, Chung. Ah, what the Hell. For giggles:
32 oz of the following foods has this many calories (this list is
selections from the 50 most popular foods requested at
nutritiondata.com in the last 24 hours):
Bananas, raw - 800 cal
Apples, raw, with skin - 480 cal
Chicken, broiler/fryer, meat only, roasted - 896cal
Iceberg Lettuce - 128 cal
Euro-type grapes, red or green - 608 cal
Raw Oranges - 416 cal
Broccoli, raw - 320 cal
Sweet Potato, raosted, skin on, no salt - 800 cal
Nuts, almonds [Includes USDA commodity food A256, A264] - 5216 cals!
In-N-Out Burger sandwich: Hamburger w/ onion - 1440 (3.5+ very tasty
burgers)
In-N-Out Burger sandwich: Cheeseburger w/ onion - 1632 (this is over 3
yummy burgers)
Beerwurst, beer salami, pork - 2144 cal
Crustaceans, shrimp, mixed species, cooked, moist heat - 896 cal (over
40 large ones!)
Rice, brown, long-grain, cooked - 992 cal
McDonald's sandwich - McChicken® - 2656 (6+ of them!)
Wendy's side order - Chili - 800 cal (~2.7 large orders)
Egg, white, raw, fresh - 480 cal (27 of em Cool Hand Mu)
Poultry food products, ground turkey, raw - 1352 cal
Cereals, oats, instant, fortified, plain, prepared with water [instant
oatmeal] - 512 cal (nearly a gallon of cooked oatmeal!)
I could go on. But the point is, unless you are eating 2 Lbs of Almonds
or Bacon (4K Cal), you just aren't getting anything that error margins
to 2K or above. So, to be fair, you would have to use a number more in
the range of 1200 calories to make a fair comparison between calorie
counting and s2PD-OMER (that's pronounced stupid-omer). And we see
quite a bit of variability even in listed cals among the two pound
measurements of foods. Face it, your diet just cuts people down to
extreme low calorie (unless they eat half a pound of almonds). They
just weight the food and don't worry about it.
-Hollywood, telling Mu to rock on.
Hollywood
Hollywood wrote:
<snip>
> 32 oz of the following foods has this many calories (this list is
> selections from the 50 most popular foods requested at
> nutritiondata.com in the last 24 hours):
On further reflection, it seems to me, that the s2PD-OMER diet might
rather be called the Sally Struthers diet. Not that you eat like her,
but you get to eat like the folks she is trying to help.
Hollywood, pledging the cost of a cup of deli coffee to feed the people
who are on the 2PD Diet.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Hollywood wrote:
> <snip>
> > 32 oz of the following foods has this many calories (this list is
> > selections from the 50 most popular foods requested at
> > nutritiondata.com in the last 24 hours):
> <snip>
>
> On further reflection, it seems to me, that the s2PD-OMER diet might
> rather be called the Sally Struthers diet. Not that you eat like her,
> but you get to eat like the folks she is trying to help.
The folks that Sally Struthers has been trying to help are likely
eating on the order of 16 times less than someone using the 2PD-OMER
Approach:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f9165a036d576f36?
> Hollywood, pledging the cost of a cup of deli coffee to feed the people
> who are on the 2PD Diet.
Ros could pledge the thousands of dollars she is saving using the
2PD-OMER Approach toward the costs of all those anti-oxidant
supplements you are taking in your desperately futile attempt to
prevent the lipid peroxidation caused by the hyperketonemia from a
low-carb diet:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/234badc423372efe?
May GOD continue to mercifully keep your heart beating, dear neighbor
Hollywood whom I love unconditionally.
maxlh...@gmail.com
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > Hollywood wrote:
> > <snip>
> > > 32 oz of the following foods has this many calories (this list is
> > > selections from the 50 most popular foods requested at
> > > nutritiondata.com in the last 24 hours):
> > <snip>
> >
> > On further reflection, it seems to me, that the s2PD-OMER diet might
> > rather be called the Sally Struthers diet. Not that you eat like her,
> > but you get to eat like the folks she is trying to help.
>
> The folks that Sally Struthers has been trying to help are likely
> eating on the order of 16 times less than someone using the 2PD-OMER
> Approach:
Nice job. Do not answer the idea that s2PD-OMER is essentially a
different way of framing an extremely low calorie diet. Stand operating
proceedure for the Doctor from Georgia. We've come to expect it from
you.
<self serving comment about the financial savings of the s2PD-OMER diet
deleted>
<vain, self serving, repetitive prayer, in clear opposition to Matthew
6:1-8 deleted for the safety of Dr. Chung's immortal soul)
Diva
Hey Rog and Andrew,
Remember me? I tried the 2pd for a while and will not be critical
because if some can work it without sacrficing good nutrition, more
power to them.
I lost 86 pounds and have been on ASD since 1996. I have kept 75 pounds
of the lost weight off since 2000. I looked a bit gaunt at my lowest.
During the past year I have weighed myself every day and never varied
within 2-3 pounds of my established weight during the entire year. I
would like to be five pounds less but have accepted that this set point
is workable and realistic to maintain.
My main dietery restrictions are disaccharide starches and sugars which
are so difficult for a celiac to digest and damage the intestinal
microvilli needed intact for good digestion.
My diet consists of meat, fish, poultry, cheese, well incubated
homemade yogurt, fresh raw and cooked fruits and vegetables, nuts,
honey, and an occasional alcoholic drink.. I can bake with ground nuts
instead of grain based flour. I also can drink diluted regular coffee
and enjoy flavoring my food with a wide variety of herbs and spices.
I have given two cooking courses related to my diet protocols which
must satisfy the dual criteria of weight management and respecting
celiac disease.
The diet I follow is called "The Specific Carbohydrate Diet" and does
not involve calorie counting, weighing or measuring food. It is not a
low carb diet. I am usually satisfied with civilized portions, do not
always adhere to regular meals and really put the emphasis on quality
unadulterated food.
After nearly seven years on the diet, I am now able to take back some
of the formerly restricted foods but have chosen not to do that very
often. No point in returning to the Standard American Diet which
afflicted me in the first place.
Defending the scientiific protocols of my diet to others has been more
difficult than observing the fanatical adherance it demands.
Diva
219/144
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
You are nonetheless aware of the amount you are eating. Being aware of
the amount is at the heart of the 2PD-OMER Approach.
> After nearly seven years on the diet, I am now able to take back some
> of the formerly restricted foods but have chosen not to do that very
> often. No point in returning to the Standard American Diet which
> afflicted me in the first place.
>
> Defending the scientiific protocols of my diet to others has been more
> difficult than observing the fanatical adherance it demands.
I suspect you are actually doing "The Specific Carbohydrate Diet"
dovetailed with a "modified" 2PD-OMER Approach. The latter aspect of
what you are doing is likely the reason for the difficulties you have
experienced with "defending" your combined approach.
You will be healthier with a healthier appetite (hungrier) if you
choose to revisit the 2PD-OMER Approach by reducing your portions so
that your total intake for the day is less than 32 ounces. However,
the world will continue to brainwash you to continue believing that you
are not satisfied when you are hungrier.
May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your celiac disease, dear
friend Carol whom I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f4dad7fe68478acf?
P.S. Crossposted to ASD where there is a type 1 diabetic with celiac
disease whose name is Madison that may be helped by interacting with
you, Carol.
> Diva
>
> 219/144
>
> www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info
Mu
>Nice job. Do not answer the idea that s2PD-OMER is essentially a
>different way of framing an extremely low calorie diet. Stand operating
>proceedure for the Doctor from Georgia. We've come to expect it from
>you.
Let me assist. How many cals is in 2 pounds of pure fat? How many cals
in two pounds of pure protein. There's your frame.
Hollywood
Mu wrote:
> On 22 Oct 2006 07:02:03 -0700, maxlh...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >Nice job. Do not answer the idea that s2PD-OMER is essentially a
> >different way of framing an extremely low calorie diet. Stand operating
> >proceedure for the Doctor from Georgia. We've come to expect it from
> >you.
>
> Let me assist. How many cals is in 2 pounds of pure fat?
Can we measure your head to find out?
Your assertion is meaningless. People do not eat pure this or pure
that. People eat foods. My list of foods showed 2 LBs to be mostly
calorically light, unless you are eating fast food (which is
nutritionally light) or nuts. We could go round and round.
If you want to do your pure experiment strawman, I believe it's 28g to
the ounce, ~4cal to the protein and carb gram and ~9cal to the fat
gram. ~7cal to the alcohol gram. You do the math. If you can.
-Hollywood, who missed mu-ron.
Bob (this one)
Or somewhere around 11.6 calories per gram of gasoline.
Perhaps desirable if you're in a very strenuous job...
> -Hollywood, who missed mu-ron.
Gotta work on that aim...
No, seriously...
Pastorio
Mu
wrote:
>> -Hollywood, who missed mu-ron.
>
>Gotta work on that aim...
>
>No, seriously...
>
>Pastorio
Gotta work on this incessant, perhaps psychopathic need to post to
Usenet years on end, Bobbie Lasagna.
No, seriously.
Mu
Mu
wrote:
>>>Gotta work on that aim...
>>>
>>>No, seriously...
>>>
>>>Pastorio
>>
>>
>> Gotta work on this incessant, perhaps psychopathic need to post to
>> Usenet years on end, Bobbie Lasagna.
>>
>> No, seriously.
>>
>> Mu
>
>Hi Mu, I enjoy your posts, very witty, I also enjoy Bob Pastorio posts,
>also very witty, but,
>"psychopathic need to post to
>Usenet years on end"
>imo describes Andrew far more than Bob.
>
>Phred
I suppose one would have to look at the credentials, Phred, and the
direction of the post. In Andrew's case, he is a cardiologist, one of
a few in the world,who takes his personal to participate in
sci.med.cardiology and any posts that come to that Usenet group.
Albeit that many consider him OT as he professes his Christianity and
his views of it, there is nothing mean spirited. Knowing Andrew as
well as I do, I can assure you that is exactly the case.
Let's now consider Bob Pastorio. He has no medical background or other
relevant training other than his history of cardiac disease, and
outside of his claim to fame being Italian, a chef and a (this one),
his participation, or should I more formally identify him as "Ch(i)ef
Kook, Cardiologist Internet Stalking, LLC", (yes, I should) is
decidedly mean spirited and inspired by, I suppose, his ego which is
constantly and consistently fanned by seeing His This Oneness in type.
Unless he is Satan himself, no one can be of right mind and continue
on for the years of his life so wasted on Usenet as Pastorio has. It's
gotta be a case of mental disarrangement, I'll pass on the specific
diagnosis, outside Mu's credentialing.
You, I or others may disagree with Dr. Andrew Chung, that is relevant
to our personal experience of Usenet, of course. But there is no
apples to apples comparisons to be made with Chung and Pastorio.
Now I take that back to rephrase.
There is an apple to rotten apple comparison to be made with Chung and
Pastorio.
Allow your grammatical syntax to link the apples above.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
This apple is still praying for his apple neighbor :-)
It remains my hope that Bob Pastorio learns to eat less to reverse his
coronary disease:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/352546a7bf4a81ee?
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
Ronald 'More-More' Moshki
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Dr. Dung:
please be quiet.
and return to Peking.
>
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Sorry the truth bothers you so terribly. Please forgive all my
iniquities.
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Ronald whom
I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
Peter J Ross
<lo...@thetruth.com> wrote in alt.usenet.kooks:
> Sorry the truth bothers you so terribly. Please forgive all my
> iniquities.
>
> May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Ronald whom
> I love unconditionally.
>
> Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung
> Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
>
> As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
> unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
> (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love
Has this faux-Christian boilerplate spew been posted often enough to
constitute cancellable spam yet? If so, somebody ought to take
Chungheap's Internet access away from him for the umpteenth time.
PJR :-)
--
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._\`:_ F S M _:' \_, | FSM: <http://www.venganza.org/>
/ (`---'\ `-. | AUK: <http://www.netcabal.com/auk/>
,-` _) (_, F_P | PJR: <http://insurgent.org/~pjr/>
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Sorry the sig bothers you. Please forgive all my iniquities.
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Peter whom I
love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love
Peter J Ross wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
Peter J Ross
<lo...@thetruth.com> wrote in alt.usenet.kooks:
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/60e780bb26dd53f1?
>
> Sorry the sig bothers you. Please forgive all my iniquities.
>
> May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Peter whom I
> love unconditionally.
>
> Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung
> Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
>
> As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
> unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
> (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love
Spam much, faux-Christian Dirt Scum?
Mike Painter
The usual crap.
But thanks a lot Chung. You and the people like you do far more than atheism
than any of us ever can.
People read what you write and do that which is most evil to the
"christians" like you.
They start to think.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Sorry the truth bothers you so terribly:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/dream.asp
Please forgive all my iniquities.
GOD blesses mightily those who place their faith in LORD Jesus Christ:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/352546a7bf4a81ee?
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Mike whom I
love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love
Ronald 'More-More' Moshki
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
JC was a gay man and a gay politician; was also a ped:
"Come follow me, I'll make you fishers of boys." Mk 1:17
Ronald 'More-More' Moshki
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:03:36 -0400, "Roger Zoul"
> > <roger...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >Dude...this "degree of extreme accuracy" is in your mind. Just measure
> > >portions and account for foods you eat.
> >
> > Rog, you're a convert......to reality.
>
>
> "I am the way, the truth, and the life ... " -- LORD Jesus Christ
>
> Amen !
>
>
"I am the gay, the vermouth and the knife."
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Your being homosexual does not bother me.
"It is my heavenly Father's job to judge, the Holy Spirit's job to
convict, and my job to love. " -- Reverend Billy Graham
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Ronald whom
I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
Mike Painter
> High praise coming from an atheist.
>
> Sorry the truth bothers you so terribly:
>
Woooooshhhh.
It is praise of a sort and it is true.
But why do you take pride in convincing people that your religion is insane?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > High praise coming from an atheist.
Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for compelling you
to reveal what festers in your heart.
> > Sorry the truth bothers you so terribly:
> >
> <link snipped by Mike Painter in an act of cowardice>
Link restored:
http://heartmdphd.com/HolySpirit/dream.asp
> Woooooshhhh.
Sorry that went over your head. Please forgive all my iniquities.
> It is praise of a sort and it is true.
No. Just a link to a true account of a dream.
> But why do you take pride in convincing people that your religion is insane?
Christianity is not a religion but a relationship with the risen Christ
Jesus:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/352546a7bf4a81ee?
This victory belongs to GOD, Whom I love with all my heart, soul, mind,
and strength:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/fear.asp
Your consolation prize is eternal life if you choose to surrender to
HIM:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/fcb058da12bb3f3d?
May GOD in HIS infinite mercy and grace keep your heart beating to give
you time to understand and act on this, dear neighbor Mike whom I love
Hollis Brown
hearts and minds will heal.
Lousy Dayo! Moron thwap!
HB
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Redirecting all praises and glory to GOD, Whom I love with all my
heart, soul, mind, and strength:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/fear.asp
This victory belongs to GOD:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/352546a7bf4a81ee?
Your consolation prize is eternal life if you choose to surrender to
HIM:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/fcb058da12bb3f3d?
May GOD in HIS wonderful mercy and grace keep your heart beating to
give you time to understand and act on this, dear neighbor Hollis whom
I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love