Re: Newby - How Long Before Complications?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Hello everyone,
>
> I was diagnosed with type 2 one year ago. I have good control of my
> diabetes and plan to always stay the course of good glucose management.
> I currently take 500 mg of metformin twice per day in addition to blood
> pressure meds.
>
> I still live in fear of those dreaded diabetes complications although I
> have none. How long does a person have diabetes before those
> complications develop? My doc even looks at me funny at times because I
> tell him I am worried about them developing. He tries to ease my mind
> since I am well controlled but its not him with the disease!
>
> Just curious what your experiences have been over the years.
>
> Bryan
Those who lose the visceral adipose tissue (VAT) that causes the type 2
diabetes do not develop diabetic complications:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp
Those who choose to reverently fear GOD, Creator of heaven and earth,
no longer dread anything (especially not diabetes) that is of this
world:
http://MabletonGA.OurLittle.net/DreadNought
May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing our
diabetes, depression, anxiety or panic so that we can love our
neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a lot more, dear Bryan
whom I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love
Pastor Kutchie, ordained atheist minister
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD blagged:
> Those who lose the visceral adipose tissue (VAT) that causes the type 2
> diabetes do not develop diabetic complications:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp
>
<snip rest of troll droppings>
tru...@healing.com
adipose tissue (VAT):"
This poster is not current with recent diabetes literature, willfully
distorts information for an agenda driven goal, ignores any research in
contridiction of personal opinion, can be ignored without fear because
the truth is not in the source.
Losing belly fat is important, but equally so are what one eats and
exercise in diabetes treatment. There is currently no cure for diabetes
and using all three of the above one can reverse many symptoms of it
however.
Pastor Kutchie
tru...@healing.com wrote:
So, if he is a doctor, he's guilty of gross misconduct, and if he isn't
a doctor, he's guilty of fraud.
Thank you.
Chris Malcolm
> tru...@healing.com wrote:
Doctors aren't stamped out with cookie cutters. It's not necessarily
either gross misconduct or fraud for a doctor to hold an eccentric
opinion.
--
Chris Malcolm c...@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]
Don Kirkman
<4ugs1jF...@mid.individual.net>:
>In alt.support.diabetes Pastor Kutchie <use...@heathens.org.uk> wrote:
>> tru...@healing.com wrote:
>>> "The key to possibly curing your type-2 diabetes is losing the visceral
>>> adipose tissue (VAT):"
>>> This poster is not current with recent diabetes literature, willfully
>>> distorts information for an agenda driven goal, ignores any research in
>>> contridiction of personal opinion, can be ignored without fear because
>>> the truth is not in the source.
>>> Losing belly fat is important, but equally so are what one eats and
>>> exercise in diabetes treatment. There is currently no cure for diabetes
>>> and using all three of the above one can reverse many symptoms of it
>>> however.
>> So, if he is a doctor, he's guilty of gross misconduct, and if he isn't
>> a doctor, he's guilty of fraud.
>Doctors aren't stamped out with cookie cutters. It's not necessarily
>either gross misconduct or fraud for a doctor to hold an eccentric
>opinion.
True enough, but isn't it a little scary for a doctor to prefer
religious to scientific approaches to diagnosis and healing?
--
Don Kirkman
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Chris Malcolm wrote in article:
> > Tragic demon Kutchie wrote:
> >> Tragic demon MWP wrote:
> >>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >>>
> >>> "The key to possibly curing your type-2 diabetes is losing the visceral
> >>> adipose tissue (VAT):"
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp
> >>> This poster is not current with recent diabetes literature, willfully
> >>> distorts information for an agenda driven goal, ignores any research in
> >>> contridiction of personal opinion, can be ignored without fear because
> >>> the truth is not in the source.
>
> >>> Losing belly fat is important, but equally so are what one eats and
> >>> exercise in diabetes treatment. There is currently no cure for diabetes
> >>> and using all three of the above one can reverse many symptoms of it
> >>> however.
>
> >> So, if he is a doctor, he's guilty of gross misconduct, and if he isn't
> >> a doctor, he's guilty of fraud.
>
> >Doctors aren't stamped out with cookie cutters. It's not necessarily
> >either gross misconduct or fraud for a doctor to hold an eccentric
> >opinion.
>
> True enough, but isn't it a little scary for a doctor to prefer
> religious to scientific approaches to diagnosis and healing?
Understanding the pathophysiology of visceral adipose tissue (VAT) does
not arise from religion.
Nor does the healing come from religion.
Indeed, it remains my choice to not be religious.
Christianity is a relationship with the risen Christ Jesus and not a
religion.
May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing our
diabetes, depression, anxiety, and panic so that we can love our
neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a lot more, dear neighbor
Don whom I love unconditionally.
tru...@healing.com
and exercise and the role of religion in forming medical opinion, Mr.
chung opines:
"Understanding the pathophysiology of visceral adipose tissue (VAT) does
not arise from religion."
You push to the exclusion of valid science all but the loss of weight,
specifically belly fat - vat, in diabetes treatment. It is a distortion
by which you can then push the wholly unscientific "two pound diet" that
has been now completely discredited. The diet ignores calorie amount and
nutritional content and exercise is excluded completely.
The diet was tied to an account of a source of food in the bible said to
be measured with a two pound unit of weight. this has also now been
completely discredited as untrue. While irrelevant to medical treatment
the unit of measure was one of volume not weight.
Regardless of calorie or nutritional content two pounds is exactly what
all people need to have normal body weight. The exact calories and
nutrition will by supernatural intervention fit each person. You know
all of this because of a direct communication with a supernatural force
who informs you of such matters.
Leading us once more to conclude that you have not kept up with current
diabetes literature, as outlined above there is willful distortion in
pursuit of a non-scientific agenda driven goal, references to valid
science to the contrary concerning the above outline is ignored, all of
which leaves anyone to safely and with ease of mind completely ignore
the source because the truth is not in it.
Art Deco
What a weasel you are, Chunk.
Don Kirkman
article <1166233409.1...@t46g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:
>Convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
>> Chris Malcolm wrote in article:
>> > Tragic demon Kutchie wrote:
>> >> Tragic demon MWP wrote:
>> >>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >>> "The key to possibly curing your type-2 diabetes is losing the visceral
>> >>> adipose tissue (VAT):"
>> >>> This poster is not current with recent diabetes literature, willfully
>> >>> distorts information for an agenda driven goal, ignores any research in
>> >>> contridiction of personal opinion, can be ignored without fear because
>> >>> the truth is not in the source.
>> >>> Losing belly fat is important, but equally so are what one eats and
>> >>> exercise in diabetes treatment. There is currently no cure for diabetes
>> >>> and using all three of the above one can reverse many symptoms of it
>> >>> however.
>> >> So, if he is a doctor, he's guilty of gross misconduct, and if he isn't
>> >> a doctor, he's guilty of fraud.
>>
>> >Doctors aren't stamped out with cookie cutters. It's not necessarily
>> >either gross misconduct or fraud for a doctor to hold an eccentric
>> >opinion.
>> True enough, but isn't it a little scary for a doctor to prefer
>> religious to scientific approaches to diagnosis and healing?
>Understanding the pathophysiology of visceral adipose tissue (VAT) does
>not arise from religion.
But claiming that a Christian doctor is per se preferable to a better
trained more experienced non-believer does arise from religion, not from
science.
BTW, from other remarks in this thread some seem to believe you yourself
do not accurately understand the pathophysiology of visceral adipose
tissue.
The idea that the Bible teaches an ideal diet for all mankind arises
from religion, not from science.
The belief that the theory of evolution has not been supported by
scientific evidence arises from religion, not from science.
The concept that the physical heart and the metaphorical heart can be
discussed interchangeably arises from religion, not from science.
The belief that God wanted 4,000 people killed because Islamic radicals
were angry at the United States arises from religion, not from science.
The conceit that you have special knowledge of Christianity unknown to
others arises from religion, not from science.
The belief that there was a literal Garden of Eden some 6,000 years ago,
followed shortly after by a world-wide flood, arises from religion, not
from science.
>Nor does the healing come from religion.
The belief that the healing comes from God, with or without medical
intervention, arises from religion, not from science.
>Indeed, it remains my choice to not be religious.
And you succeed very well in not being religious.
>Christianity is a relationship with the risen Christ Jesus and not a
>religion.
They are not exclusive categories; in fact they have always been
considered to be different aspects of a single phenomenon.
>May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing our
>diabetes, depression, anxiety, and panic
I'm sorry to read that you have depression, anxiety, and panic, but it
doesn't surprise me. You have other problems as well, IMO.
--
Don Kirkman
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
A doctor with healing powers from GOD, Creator of heaven and earth, is
better than one without:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/healer.asp
Truth is simple.
Clearly you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing our
diabetes, depression, anxiety, or panic so that we can love our
neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a lot more, dear neighbor
Don whom I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love
Pastor Kutchie
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote:
> A doctor with healing powers from GOD, Creator of heaven and earth, is
> better than one without:
>
What do you understand the meaning of the following phrases to be:
(these are interview questions designed by me as part of my recruitment
process for practice privileges for consultants at an NHS licensed
hospital) :
1: Clinical governance (my job)?
2. Current best practice?
3. Continuing Professional Development? (If I even have to ask this,
you're already in trouble).
4. Patient-centred service?
Chris Malcolm
>>> tru...@healing.com wrote:
It's scary if you can't judge opinions and instead have to resort to
judging the personality of the opinion holder, but that's always been
a dangerous and unreliable method of judging opinions.
But I shouldn't really be intruding in a Chung-baiting thread, them
being such a devoted and enthusiastic celebration of ad hominem
arguments and scientific ignorance by people with no better way of
feeling important than baiting a doctor who suffers from religious
convictions.
pebbl...@yahoo.com
to offer and I move on. I have no medical degrees so I cannot say he is
wrong. Since the information is on the Internet - I am skeptical
anyhow. What good does it do to engage the debates? I think Dr. Chung
sits laughing at the responses he gets from all of the "dear neighbors"
he inflames. I sit and chuckle at the posts because people are doing
just what Dr. Chung wants and some of the replies are just plain funny.
Bryan
trut...@watching.com
better than one without:"
Actually, healing powers from God are imparted by education. They are
not imparted by "chi". All well educated doctors have recieved healing
powers from God.
Bob (this one)
Nice trim job, Chris. And very much your crippled M.O. You
deleted all the examples of judging the opinion so you could
- in your typically oily, splendidly sleazy way - make this
duplicitous/mendacious/deceptive point.
Your smugness is only matched by your willingness to be
shallowly, blatantly, malodorously dishonest.
Have a wonderful Christmas.
Pastorio
Chris Malcolm
As usual Pastry Bob confuses his dislike of me with the plainly
obvious facts of the matter: I trimmed nothing from the posting I
replied to; it was quoted in its entirety.
But to realise that Pastry Bob would have had to hold his itching
fingers off the keyboard for long enough to do some reading. Writing
is so much more fun! Thank the Lord for Andrew Chung eh? A poster
whose postings you never even have to read before launching into yet
another excitingly eloquent variation on the theme of what has been
your favourite diatribble for how many years now?
Have a Meretricious and A Happy New Year, Bob :-)
Don Kirkman
>In alt.support.diabetes Don Kirkman <don...@wavecable.com> wrote:
>> It seems to me I heard somewhere that Chris Malcolm wrote in article
>> <4ugs1jF...@mid.individual.net>:
>>>In alt.support.diabetes Pastor Kutchie <use...@heathens.org.uk> wrote:
>>>> So, if he is a doctor, he's guilty of gross misconduct, and if he isn't
>>>> a doctor, he's guilty of fraud.
>>>Doctors aren't stamped out with cookie cutters. It's not necessarily
>>>either gross misconduct or fraud for a doctor to hold an eccentric
>>>opinion.
>> True enough, but isn't it a little scary for a doctor to prefer
>> religious to scientific approaches to diagnosis and healing?
>It's scary if you can't judge opinions and instead have to resort to
>judging the personality of the opinion holder, but that's always been
>a dangerous and unreliable method of judging opinions.
I can judge opinions rather well, but in what I wrote and you cut out I
was judging beliefs the good doctor has set forth as truths over the
past several years. The issue is not his opinions about religion and
science but his assertions (strongly suggesting his practice of medicine
would have the same priorities) about specific matters of medical
science.
>But I shouldn't really be intruding in a Chung-baiting thread, them
>being such a devoted and enthusiastic celebration of ad hominem
>arguments and scientific ignorance by people with no better way of
>feeling important than baiting a doctor who suffers from religious
>convictions.
So you agree that he suffers from religious convictions. Perhaps some
medical science - medication or therapy - could relieve his suffering
and spare others the suffering he causes them.
--
Don Kirkman
Bob (this one)
You're right. I apologize. You didn't cut anything off, you
oiled your way past it when it was posted. Here's what Don
Kirkman posted, below, in response to Chung. It utterly
destroys any of the labored, fake substance you've tried to
exude in your usual unctuous way. Bite this, Chris. It
weighs less than 2 pounds. Chung's words have those "Divine
Arrows of Charlatanry" [> >] pointing to them.
-----------------------
But claiming that a Christian doctor is per se preferable to
a better
trained more experienced non-believer does arise from
religion, not from
science.
BTW, from other remarks in this thread some seem to believe
> >May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living
water curing our
> >diabetes, depression, anxiety, and panic
I'm sorry to read that you have depression, anxiety, and
panic, but it
doesn't surprise me. You have other problems as well, IMO.
-- Don Kirkman
---------------------------------
So your shabbily empty rant above is shown to be even
emptier than usual. Guinness quality empty... World-class
empty...
> But to realise that Pastry Bob would have had to hold his itching
> fingers off the keyboard for long enough to do some reading. Writing
> is so much more fun! Thank the Lord for Andrew Chung eh? A poster
> whose postings you never even have to read before launching into yet
> another excitingly eloquent variation on the theme of what has been
> your favourite diatribble for how many years now?
You fuckwitted sycophant. You've been licking the hem of his
undies ever since you lost your testes. No loss, based on
what you've posted here. Big science guy who posits what
others should do because he does it, you are. So you eat 2
pounds of food every day, do you? You say you do and have
presented menus in the past that would gag a buzzard. Of
course I dislike you. You're a fraud and a defender of Chung
whose lunacies whoooosh right past you. Whose potential
hazards to real people in real medical situations you seem
comfortable with, accepting. It's pitiable that you've so
degenerated that all of his tragic mental deterioration
seems reasonable to you. That he's a person who should be
accorded the respect that a useful human should get, one not
a hazard to all around him.
> Have a Meretricious and A Happy New Year, Bob :-)
<LOL> Oh look, Skeletal Chris learned a new, big word, if
not precisely how to use it. Fits right in with the way his
crabbed mind already works. He can pander his insincere
plaudits for Chung and it's a good thing. Not at all
meretricious. Hee hee...
Whooosh.
No, seriously...
Pastorio
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
of intercessory prayers made by the brethren of LORD Jesus Christ to
our heavenly Father lifting up those like you who have been convicted
by the Holy Spirit:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts