Jesus is love
Fred Jones
"Hello, my name is Jesus. I love you deeply. I have loved you since you were
conceived in the womb and I will love you for all eternity. I died for you on
the cross because I love you so much. I long to have a loving personal
relationship with you. I will answer all of your prayers through my love. But if
you do not get down on your knees and worship me, and if you do not EAT MY BODY
and DRINK MY BLOOD, then I WILL INCINERATE YOU WITH UNIMAGINABLY TORTUOUS PAIN
IN THE FIRES OF HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY!!!!"
Yes, this is the central message of Christianity. See John 6:53-54 and Mark
16:16.
Think about this message. We have a being who, according to the Standard Model
of God, embodies love. Yet, if you do not get down on your knees and worship
him, you will be physically tortured for all eternity. What sort of love is
that?
The utter silliness and contradiction of Jesus' core message should make it
obvious to you: God is imaginary.
Andrew
> Simply take a moment to think about the following statement:
> "Hello, my name is Jesus. I love you deeply. I have loved you since you
> were conceived in the womb and I will love you for all eternity. I died
> for you on the cross because I love you so much. I long to have a
> loving personal relationship with you. I will answer all of your
> prayers through my love. But if you do not get down on your knees and
> worship me, and if you do not EAT MY BODY and DRINK MY BLOOD, then I
> WILL INCINERATE YOU WITH UNIMAGINABLY TORTUOUS PAIN IN THE FIRES OF
> HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY!!!!"
> Yes, this is the central message of Christianity. See John 6:53-54 and
> Mark 16:16.
Your reading is deeply faulty. In the texts you mention Jesus does not
mention torturous pain, nor the fires of Hell, nor, indeed, eternity.
Nor does he mention knees, or worshipping him. You seem to be confusing
the Bible with some medieaval wall ainting or something. This is about
as far from the central message of Christianity as it is possible to
get.
> Think about this message. We have a being who, according to the
> Standard Model of God, embodies love. Yet, if you do not get down on
> your knees and worship him, you will be physically tortured for all
> eternity.
Jesus never mentions anyone being physically tortured for all eternity.
> What sort of love is that?
> The utter silliness and contradiction of Jesus' core message should
> make it obvious to you: God is imaginary.
The silliness comes from trying to fit your rather jaundiced
preconceptions of Christian belief into a logical argument. Speaking of
logic, by the way, you do realise that the last clause in your post is
non sequitur, don't you?
Mike Mordant
O Lord please don't burn us,
don't gril or toast your flock.
Don't put us on the barbecue,
or simmer us in stock.
Don't braise or bake or boil us
or stir fry us in a wok.
Oh please don't lightly poach us
or bast us with hot fat.
Don't fricassee or roast us
or boil us in a vat,
and please don't stick thy servant Lord
in a Rotissomat.
Amen
Oh please pray tell us just which version of Christianity you
subscribe to --- There are so many with mutually contradictory dogma
it's hard to keep track.
On second thought, never mind. I've read your Bible several times and
besides from being a completely unbelievable tome it tells the story
of a petulant god bent on destroying people. In fact, I'll most
likely ignore any response you are likely to give, after having a
hearty laugh over the nonsense you spew.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Mike Mordant
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Deadsatan
>
> <><
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Warns
;-) Not Satan and not dead. Not even ill. Disappointed?
Frustrated? Depressed? Idiotic? Yes you are!
"Blattus Slafaly ? (3) ¼ :)"
Jesus is love? So why are christians assholes? Shouldn't they be copying
him?
--
Blattus Slafaly ? 3 :) 7/8
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
guardian Snow
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> If we could, we wouldn't need HIM to save us from ourselves:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/JesusChrist
Chung, your the one that goes around condemning everybody as Satan.
Luk 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye
shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
You go around telling EVERYBODY they are sock puppets, Satans,
worthless and a dozen other childish little names in your two link
spams. I politely asked you to reserve your post to one thread and
your 1st grade response was to call me Satan.
Jesus saves us from sin, not from acting like a irresponsible jerk
accusing everybody. What would the message boards be like if
everybody went around acting like you and just placed DOZENS of post
with NOTHING but a couple of links?
Get help and stop spamming,
Snow
http://groups.google.com/group/i-hate-andrew-b-chung-mdphds-spam?msg=new&lnk=gcis
Leave a good joke or post your comments about Chung.
KFC 31:10 And Chung said, "Let my nuggets go", Be Hungry. But there
were certain moo's that when they saw the superchick, they battered
him till he fried.
A return to first principles in a republic is sometimes caused by the
simple virtues of one man. His good example has such an influence that
the good men strive to imitate him, and the wicked are ashamed to lead
a life so contrary to his example.
Niccolo Machiavelli
Fred Jones
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
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<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
<Chung Dung snipped>
Do you know the secret to mental health?; to being successful in life
in raising a family, having healthy relationships, working well with
others? If one is not able to get along with the day to day tasks of
living successfully in this present life then one has no hope of
managing the spiritual side of life. If one doesn't have the capacity
for self discovery and honest reflection in this life then one hasn't
much to look forward to in the next life. Are you living in an honest
fashion with integrity? What kind of karma do you have? Have you
generated light or just heat?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
bob young
Andrew wrote:
>
> On 2008-04-23 18:04:11 +0100, "Fred Jones" <suppor...@juno.com> said:
>
> > Simply take a moment to think about the following statement:
> > "Hello, my name is Jesus. I love you deeply. I have loved you since you
> > were conceived in the womb and I will love you for all eternity. I died
> > for you on the cross because I love you so much. I long to have a
> > loving personal relationship with you. I will answer all of your
> > prayers through my love. But if you do not get down on your knees and
> > worship me, and if you do not EAT MY BODY and DRINK MY BLOOD, then I
> > WILL INCINERATE YOU WITH UNIMAGINABLY TORTUOUS PAIN IN THE FIRES OF
> > HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY!!!!"
> > Yes, this is the central message of Christianity. See John 6:53-54 and
> > Mark 16:16.
>
> Your reading is deeply faulty. In the texts you mention Jesus does not
> mention torturous pain, nor the fires of Hell, nor, indeed, eternity.
Other members of 'His' club certainly do. If one follows
Christianity then the above certainly applies
> Nor does he mention knees, or worshipping him.
The fact the majority do indeed get on their knees is enough
for a thinking person using logic methinks !
You seem to be confusing
> the Bible with some medieaval wall ainting or something. This is about
> as far from the central message of Christianity as it is possible to
> get.
>
> > Think about this message. We have a being who, according to the
> > Standard Model of God, embodies love. Yet, if you do not get down on
> > your knees and worship him, you will be physically tortured for all
> > eternity.
>
> Jesus never mentions anyone being physically tortured for all eternity.
Well not exactly, but after his death there's no doubt 'He'
goes to heaven and sits next to god for eternity and whilst
on the cross calls out [so the myth writers would have us
understand] Father Father why hast thou forsaken me ?
Which all adds up to the same thing
It's that nasty stuff 'logic' creeping in again isn't it?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Andrew
Small clue. It's the Bible hat doesn't include the gibberish you gave
us above about rotisseries and what not.
Andrew
> What a twist, you denying the the fate that christendom preaches to us pagans??
Probably. But since I don't really know which twisted version of the
Gospel you're working from, I can't be sure.
Andrew
>> Your reading is deeply faulty. In the texts you mention Jesus does not
>> mention torturous pain, nor the fires of Hell, nor, indeed, eternity.
>
> Other members of 'His' club certainly do. If one follows
> Christianity then the above certainly applies
Really? 500 years ago, maybe. Do keep up.
>
>> Nor does he mention knees, or worshipping him.
>
> The fact the majority do indeed get on their knees is enough
> for a thinking person using logic methinks !
That has no relevance with regard to the argument here, though. The
point is that, contrary to the OP Christ makes no such demand.
>
> You seem to be confusing
>> the Bible with some medieaval wall ainting or something. This is about
>> as far from the central message of Christianity as it is possible to
>> get.
>>
>>> Think about this message. We have a being who, according to the
>>> Standard Model of God, embodies love. Yet, if you do not get down on
>>> your knees and worship him, you will be physically tortured for all
>>> eternity.
>>
>> Jesus never mentions anyone being physically tortured for all eternity.
>
>
> Well not exactly, but after his death there's no doubt 'He'
> goes to heaven and sits next to god for eternity and whilst
> on the cross calls out [so the myth writers would have us
> understand] Father Father why hast thou forsaken me ?
>
> Which all adds up to the same thing
Not at all - I really don't see the argument you're making here.
>
> It's that nasty stuff 'logic' creeping in again isn't it?
It would be, if this included any.
Fred Jones
Fred Jones
> On 2008-04-24 05:03:52 +0100, "Fred Jones" <suppor...@juno.com> said:
>
>> What a twist, you denying the the fate that christendom preaches to us
>> pagans??
>
> Probably. But since I don't really know which twisted version of the Gospel
> you're working from, I can't be sure.
Canonical or Non-canonical, your choice.
Dancing Monkey
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heart...@emorycardiology.com> wrote in message
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> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Deadsatan
If satan is dead, then why do you keep posting about it? My guess is your
brain is dead too :-)
J666
(in message <furd9c$7gi$1...@aioe.org>):
> If satan is dead, then why do you keep posting about it? My guess is your
> brain is dead too :-)
Can God be dead?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
bob young
Andrew wrote:
>
> On 2008-04-24 11:29:04 +0100, bob young <alasp...@netvigator.com> said:
>
> >> Your reading is deeply faulty. In the texts you mention Jesus does not
> >> mention torturous pain, nor the fires of Hell, nor, indeed, eternity.
> >
> > Other members of 'His' club certainly do. If one follows
> > Christianity then the above certainly applies
>
> Really? 500 years ago, maybe. Do keep up.
>
> >
> >> Nor does he mention knees, or worshipping him.
> >
> > The fact the majority do indeed get on their knees is enough
> > for a thinking person using logic methinks !
>
> That has no relevance with regard to the argument here, though. The
> point is that, contrary to the OP Christ makes no such demand.
Yes it is so easy to get lost trying to follow nebulous
religious claims, which are dedicated to the frustrating
task of proving the existence of a god that is believed in
and which, at same time does nothing, but nothing, to prove
that it exists.
So we simple folks cannot be blamed for taking religion on
face value, like worshippers kneeling down to pray, even
though their god's son didn't demand them to do so. So what
? What is the point here?
Please help out this simple fella struggling to understand
religions. Please note I say 'religions' I do not refer
just to your particular brand.
A poster mentions that Jesus does not require anyone to
worship Him. well I forget most of my Biblical teachings
but i feel quite confident He certainly did encourage people
to worship his father. Which brings me to my next pont.
Strange isn't it how christianity is structured so closely
to the family group, it's desires and it;s needs,
confirming, of course to atheists such as I that it was all
made up by man in the first place.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Mike Mordant
The Christian Bible has lots of Hell Fire and Brimstone in both the
Old and New Testaments. Maybe you haven't read it throughly. I have.
What Bible do you read?
J666
(in message
<0e7cc74c-0838-4a0a...@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com>):
> The Christian Bible has lots of Hell Fire and Brimstone in both the
> Old and New Testaments. Maybe you haven't read it throughly. I have.
>
> What Bible do you read?
The Chible of the Celestial Chicken does not have all that hell fire and
brimstone but barbecuing with charcoal.
The Celestial Chicken is the WAY - Do what you know is good and right and
spwnd time with family and friends and enjoy life.
Fred Jones
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J666
(in message <_cSdnW64q8WBdozV...@comcast.com>):
> Is grilling with gas ok? I prefer gas.
Oh yes, that is what makes the Celestial Chicken WAY the way to go - the
details and rituals of cooking the chicken are not important. No blessing
before eating chicken is needed as the simple act of eating the chicken is
all that is needed - actions do speak louder than words.
It is good grilled with charcoal, wood and gas and also good broiled, boiled,
fried, baked, roasted and any other way.
The simple truth is that the WAY of the Celestial Chicken is the WAY.
Fred Jones
Let me add that the chicken has a friend, it's called roasted corn with butter!
PRAISE BE THE CELESTIAL CHICKEN!!! amen.
PRAISE BE THE ROASTED CORN! amen.
Andrew
(N)KJV/JB/NEB/NIV/RSV/TEV - take your pick - none of them have this stuff.
Andrew
Not carefully enough, I fear. The Old Testament is certainly not full
of "Hellfire" (a word which does not exist in any version of the Bible)
or Brimstone (which occurs 15 times - 7 in Revelation). Overwhelmingly
in the Old Testament the word "Hell" translates the Hebrew term
"She-ol", which did not involve suffering of any kind. Hence none of
the OT references to brimstone are in reference to Hell. The only NT
reference outwith Revelation to brimstone is in Luke, where again the
reference is not to Hell
> What Bible do you read?
Several. Some of it in the original languages.
Andrew
>> That has no relevance with regard to the argument here, though. The
>> point is that, contrary to the OP Christ makes no such demand.
>
> Yes it is so easy to get lost trying to follow nebulous
> religious claims, which are dedicated to the frustrating
> task of proving the existence of a god that is believed in
> and which, at same time does nothing, but nothing, to prove
> that it exists.
Which verbiage means very little.
>
> So we simple folks cannot be blamed for taking religion on
> face value, like worshippers kneeling down to pray, even
> though their god's son didn't demand them to do so. So what
> ? What is the point here?
It's entirely the point. The OP insisted that Jesus made such a demand
and that such a demand would not be in keeping with love. As the former
is untrue, the latter falls.
>
> Please help out this simple fella struggling to understand
> religions. Please note I say 'religions' I do not refer
> just to your particular brand.
>
> A poster mentions that Jesus does not require anyone to
> worship Him. well I forget most of my Biblical teachings
> but i feel quite confident He certainly did encourage people
> to worship his father. Which brings me to my next pont.
>
> Strange isn't it how christianity is structured so closely
> to the family group, it's desires and it;s needs,
> confirming, of course to atheists such as I that it was all
> made up by man in the first place.
Inevitably human beings interpret God to some degree in human terms.
All such terms, though, should be regarded as analogy rather than
analytical fact.
Mike Mordant
Play semantical games as you wish. That seems to be the way
Christians wiggle around when they have to face the cruelty and evil
of their God(s).
Goodbye!
J666
(in message <yK6dndJckfi_aYzV...@comcast.com>):
> Let me add that the chicken has a friend, it's called roasted corn with
> butter!
> PRAISE BE THE CELESTIAL CHICKEN!!! amen.
> PRAISE BE THE ROASTED CORN! amen.
Yes, chicken goes great with many things and in many recipes.
The Christian God gave one son for us one time 2000 years ago whereas the
Celestial Chicken does it millions of times every day - which one loves us
more.
Fred Jones
Andrew, why do you keep doing that to yourself. It is in all of your versions.
These passages represent only a few of them. Do you do any study at all on what
you believe? Have you ever actually read any portion of the bible?
Luke 16:22. And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and that he was carried
away by the angels into Abraham's bosom: and the rich man also died, and was
buried.
23. And in Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torments, and
seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and
send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my
tongue; for I am in anguish in this flame.
Matthew 13:41. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall
gather out of his kingdom all things that cause stumbling, and them that do
iniquity,
42. and shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there
shall be the weeping and the gnashing of teeth.
Matthew 25:41. Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from
me, ye cursed, into the eternal fire which is prepared for the devil and his
angels:
Revelation 20:15. And if any was not found written in the book of life, he was
cast into the lake of fire.
Fred Jones
Finally some one who is admitting to the conspiracy that religion is. The
concept that christian churches teach today is an evolution.
Mike Mordant
like when he gets angry.
Genesis 6:13
Exodus 17:10-13
Exodus 21:17
Exodus 22:18
Exodus 22:19
Exodus 31:15
Leviticus 24:16 (Jehovah is a filthy git!) I'm still typing so I
guess he was asleep for that one!
Exodus 32:7-14
Exodus 32: 25-35
Exodus 30: 11-16
Leviticus 10: 1-2
Leviticus 20:13
Numbers 11:4-5 ; 31-34
Numbers 16
Numbers 25:1-9
Deuteronomy 13:6-9
Deuteronomy 28:15-68
There are many many more examples.
Yes I've read it all and unlike you don't gloss over the parts that
are ugly.
Fred Jones
As you so say, the chicken gets along with others it is the true definition of
caring concern for all mankind!
PRAISE BE THE CHICKEN! FOR TONIGHT I WILL BE GRILLING!
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
J666
(in message <MpOdnQE_U_eMno_V...@comcast.com>):
> THE CHICKEN, THE CHICKEN, THE CHICKEN!!!! I LOVE THE CHICKEN! and turkey
> too!
> As you so say, the chicken gets along with others it is the true definition
> of
> caring concern for all mankind!
> PRAISE BE THE CHICKEN! FOR TONIGHT I WILL BE GRILLING!
>
When asking what some meat tastes like, how many times is like chicken!!!!!
J666
(in message
<1b797de1-8d83-4ec6...@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>):
> Heres a few samples of what the kind loving God of the Christians is
> like when he gets angry.
> snip
>
> There are many many more examples.
>
> Yes I've read it all and unlike you don't gloss over the parts that
> are ugly.
The Celestial Chicken teaches getting together with family and friends for a
chicken dinner not threats.
Andrew
Is a parable
>
>
> Matthew 13:41. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they
> shall gather out of his kingdom all things that cause stumbling, and
> them that do iniquity,
> 42. and shall cast them into the furnace of fire:
> there shall be the weeping and the gnashing of teeth.
>
> Matthew 25:41. Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand,
> Depart from me, ye cursed, into the eternal fire which is prepared for
> the devil and his angels:
>
> Revelation 20:15. And if any was not found written in the book of
> life, he was cast into the lake of fire.
None of which refer to eternal suffering. Put something into a fire and
it is destroyed and gone.
Andrew
You mean you don't like it when we point out that the Bible doesn't
actually say what you think it says? Bye.
Andrew
>> Not carefully enough, I fear. The Old Testament is certainly not full
>> of "Hellfire" (a word which does not exist in any version of the Bible)
>> or Brimstone (which occurs 15 times - 7 in Revelation). Overwhelmingly
>> in the Old Testament the word "Hell" translates the Hebrew term
>> "She-ol", which did not involve suffering of any kind. Hence none of
>> the OT references to brimstone are in reference to Hell. The only NT
>> reference outwith Revelation to brimstone is in Luke, where again the
>> reference is not to Hell
>>
>
> Finally some one who is admitting to the conspiracy that religion is.
> The concept that christian churches teach today is an evolution.
Well of course it is! Thinking evolves and changes. Anything else would
be blind unreasoning cant. A 21st Century Christian understands the
Bible differently from an 11th Century Christian in EXACTLY the same
way that a 21st Century scientist understands the world differently
from an 11th Century scientist. That's inevitable - for faith to be
something other than a statement belief it has to be owned and personal.
Andrew
Nor do I. I just understand it differently. The Bible is the record of
the changing understanding human beings had of God over 2000 years.
Rod
> Blattus Slafaly ? (3) ź :) wrote:
>> Fred Jones wrote:
>>> Simply take a moment to think about the following statement:
>>> "Hello, my name is Jesus. I love you deeply. I have loved you since you
>>> were conceived in the womb and I will love you for all eternity. I died
>>> for you on the cross because I love you so much. I long to have a loving
>>> personal relationship with you. I will answer all of your prayers
>>> me, and if you do not EAT MY BODY and DRINK MY BLOOD, then I WILL
>>> INCINERATE YOU WITH UNIMAGINABLY TORTUOUS PAIN IN THE FIRES OF HELL FOR
>>> ALL ETERNITY!!!!"
>>> Yes, this is the central message of Christianity. See John 6:53-54 and
>>> Mark 16:16.
>>> Model of God, embodies love. Yet, if you do not get down on your knees
>>> sort of love is that?
>>> The utter silliness and contradiction of Jesus' core message should make
>>> it obvious to you: God is imaginary.
>> him?
>
> If we could, we wouldn't need HIM to save us from ourselves:
Ahhhh...but thou forgets the tower of babel, and the main reason that
it was struck down, dost thou not ?
We have no need of saving ourselves from anyone but a tyrant..
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/JesusChrist
>
> <><
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Warns
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > Blattus Slafaly ? (3) � :) wrote:
> >> Fred Jones wrote:
> >>> Simply take a moment to think about the following statement:
> >>> "Hello, my name is Jesus. I love you deeply. I have loved you since you
> >>> were conceived in the womb and I will love you for all eternity. I died
> >>> for you on the cross because I love you so much. I long to have a loving
> >>> personal relationship with you. I will answer all of your prayers
> >>> through my love. But if you do not get down on your knees and worship
> >>> me, and if you do not EAT MY BODY and DRINK MY BLOOD, then I WILL
> >>> INCINERATE YOU WITH UNIMAGINABLY TORTUOUS PAIN IN THE FIRES OF HELL FOR
> >>> ALL ETERNITY!!!!"
> >>> Yes, this is the central message of Christianity. See John 6:53-54 and
> >>> Mark 16:16.
> >>> Think about this message. We have a being who, according to the Standard
> >>> Model of God, embodies love. Yet, if you do not get down on your knees
> >>> and worship him, you will be physically tortured for all eternity. What
> >>> sort of love is that?
> >>> The utter silliness and contradiction of Jesus' core message should make
> >>> it obvious to you: God is imaginary.
> >> Jesus is love? So why are christians assholes? Shouldn't they be copying
> >> him?
> >
> > If we could, we wouldn't need HIM to save us from ourselves:
>
>
> Ahhhh...but thou forgets the tower of babel, and the main reason that
> it was struck down, dost thou not ?
No.
From Genesis 11:1-9
Now the whole world had one language and a common speech. As men moved
eastward, they found a plain in Shinar and settled there.
They said to each other, "Come, let's make bricks and bake them
thoroughly." They used brick instead of stone, and tar for mortar.
Then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower
that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves
and not be scattered over the face of the whole earth."
But the LORD came down to see the city and the tower that the men were
building. The LORD said, "If as one people speaking the same language
they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be
impossible for them. Come, let us go down and confuse their language
so they will not understand each other."
So the LORD scattered them from there over all the earth, and they
stopped building the city. That is why it was called Babel —because
there the LORD confused the language of the whole world. From there
the LORD scattered them over the face of the whole earth.
*** end Scripture reading ***
The Tower of Babel was not struck down but rather the city of Babel
and its tower were abandoned when misunderstandings happened.
GOD made our language a less reliable and less consistent form of
communication so that these misunderstandings would happen. This is
so that we can not rely on each other but rather we rightly rely only
on HIM.
> We have no need of saving ourselves from anyone but a tyrant..
Most assuredly, without doubt, I know LORD Almighty GOD to be kind,
just, and right (Jeremiah 9:24).
Bottom line:
You continue to be in error because you are guided by the spirit of
error (self).
This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict
you:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
May we, who are Christians, continue to pray for your perishing soul:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/PrayForRod
<><
Bill M
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>
> <><
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Warns
This is Jesus's love???
Religious fanatics claim that man has chosen to be evil because of his 'free
will'. This is totally specious. 'Free will' does not imply or require the
existence of evil conduct.
free will n. 1. The ability or discretion to choose; free choice: chose to
remain behind of my own free will. 2. The power, attributed especially to
human beings, of making free choices that are unconstrained by external
circumstances or by an agency such as fate or divine will.
A good benevolent god could have created man as a loving caring creature
with free will but without any desire or ability to commit evil.
He already created other limitations on man's 'free will'.
He created hunger pains to force man to eat and drink, suffocation panic to
force man to breathe, and a powerful sex drive to force man to procreate.
(Frequently in excess of mans ability to feed and care for his creations!)
Why create greed and selfishness which encourages man to steel, lie,
subjugate and even kill other men?
This is supposedly to keep man in line and force him to follow god's wishes
and commands. This is characteristic of a dictator and slave master not the
characteristics of a loving god.
Why does this all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent
designer, create Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions, Floods,
Wars, Earth Quakes, Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases and
serious body malfunctions? There are 12,000 known diseases that affect and
punish mankind indiscriminately. Why does he permit millions of both young
and old to starve to death or die of miserable diseases? Why punish millions
of INNOCENT CHILDREN in this horrible way?
Why does this all powerful and caring god permit totally "innocent children"
to die at birth? Or worse, be born lacking eyesight, a fully developed
brain, deaf and dumb, missing limbs etc.? Why are some born idiots and
others with super intelligence? Why are some born into wealth and others
pauper poor? Why does he permit over 2,000,000 innocent children to die of
starvation every year? Why are his human creations designed to deteriorate
into a miserable and devastating old age regardless of their religious
affiliation?
God supposedly created the world like it is to punish man for Adam and Eve's
'original sin'. Why does he also punish supposedly innocent children and
animals with thousands of diseases, birth defects, starvation and to be
eaten alive by other animals?
Why did this all powerful and loving creator create things like sharks,
jelly fish, octopus, lions, tigers, rhinoceros, wolves, poisonous snakes,
stinging and poisonous insects, poisonous plants etc.? Why did this caring
and benevolent god create animals (including man) that need to painfully
kill and eat other animals to survive?
World War I claimed 9,000,000 lives of people of many religious faiths.
World II indiscriminately claimed over 20,000,000 lives of people of all
ages and religious faiths, plus a vast destruction of property and more
millions maimed for life.
The recent Asian Tsunami has claimed the lives of 200,000 men, women and
children of all religious persuasions. Over 100,000 of these were totally
INNOCENT children!
There were three major epidemics of the Bubonic Plaque - in the 6th, 14th.
and 17th centuries. The death toll was over 137 million men, women and
totally innocent children.
The influenza of 1918-1919 killed at least 25 million men, women and
innocent children indiscriminately.
Diseases like malaria, AIDS, tuberculosis, etc. maim and kill millions
indiscriminately every year. More millions die of starvation and
malnutrition.
These indiscriminately afflicted the young and old, atheists and those of
all religious persuasions.
Meanwhile MAN, not god, has developed defenses and cures for hundreds of
serious diseases. Man has learned to create shelter, heat and cooling,
purify water, world wide electronic communications, power and transportation
systems including flying through the air.
Man has created a wonderful medical and drug system and improved housing and
food production. The result of MAN'S inventiveness has
DOUBLED the average life span. None of this was created by any gods.
Perhaps your loving and caring god is actually a cruel, heartless, mean and
torturing tyrant. If he treats us so cruelly during life, why do you think
he will let us enjoy peace and eternal happiness in his Heaven? And why does
he keep all this a secret by preventing communication with our dead parents,
siblings and friends? (Or this god?)
There are thousands of different religious and god beliefs but NO OJECTIVE
VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE for the actual existence of ANY of these gods. ALL god
beliefs are based on the unsubstantiated 'opinions' of errant men.
If there is a god that created the Universe, he is obviously not an
all-caring and benevolent god. Nor is he an "Intelligent Designer". The
objective evidence is if there is a god creator, he has NO concern about the
welfare of the creatures on Earth.
The objective evidence is that no gods created man but quite the opposite;
that man created gods!
I challenge god believers to supply ANY objective verifiable evidence that
their god actually exists except in their over active imaginations.
Mike Mordant
Well then it's not the word of God is it. If it's not the word of God
then its just another book which one may take or leave.
I'll leave it.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote
>
>
> This is Jesus's love???
No. The above is a link to a usenet post about satan.
> Religious fanatics claim that man has chosen to be evil because of his 'free
> will'.
Irrelevant.
It remain my choice to not be religious.
Christianity is not a religion but rather is a relationship with the
risen LORD Jesus Christ:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/JesusChrist
Bottom line:
You continue to be guided by the spirit of error (self).
This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict
you:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
May we, who are Christians, continue to pray for your perishing soul:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/PrayForBill
Our doing this is out of Christian love for you.
<><
J666
(in message
<eb959503-44dc-4da7...@a22g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>):
>> Nor do I. I just understand it differently. The Bible is the record of
>> the changing understanding human beings had of God over 2000 years.
>
> Well then it's not the word of God is it. If it's not the word of God
> then its just another book which one may take or leave.
>
> I'll leave it.
>
The Chible, of the Celestial Chicken, you can believe.
Andrew
>> Nor do I. I just understand it differently. The Bible is the record of
>> the changing understanding human beings had of God over 2000 years.
>
> Well then it's not the word of God is it.
The Bible was written by human beings. The Bible says it was written by
human beings. When Christians (or, most Christians - mustn't forget
the fundies!) speak of being 'the word of God' they don't mean that he
literally dictated it in some way.
> If it's not the word of God
> then its just another book which one may take or leave.
Of course you can take it or leave it. If it has no value or meaning or
value to you then it is, indeed, "just another book". For us, though,
it is (one of) the means by which we encounter God.
>
> I'll leave it.
Your choice.
Mike Mordant
Taking it is a silly thing to do if it's just somebody else's idea
about God.
This has been an amusing exchange. I never ceases to amaze me how
shallow most Christian's beliefs really are, yet many want to impose
them on others. At least there's no condemnation in your posts.
Andrew
> On Apr 25, 3:59 pm, Andrew <thecr...@macunlimited.net> wrote:
>> On 2008-04-25 20:44:16 +0100, Mike Mordant <mikemord...@yahoo.com> said:
>>
>>>> Nor do I. I just understand it differently. The Bible is the record of
>>>> the changing understanding human beings had of God over 2000 years.
>>
>>> Well then it's not the word of God is it.
>>
>> The Bible was written by human beings. The Bible says it was written by
>> human beings. When Christians (or, most Christians - mustn't forget
>> the fundies!) speak of being 'the word of God' they don't mean that he
>> literally dictated it in some way.
>>
>>> If it's not the word of God
>>> then its just another book which one may take or leave.
>>
>> Of course you can take it or leave it. If it has no value or meaning or
>> value to you then it is, indeed, "just another book". For us, though,
>> it is (one of) the means by which we encounter God.
>>
>>
>>
>>> I'll leave it.
>>
>> Your choice.
>
>
> Taking it is a silly thing to do if it's just somebody else's idea
> about God.
It is if you don't reflect on it and engage with it questioningly. On
the other hand, we learn from one another by listening to other
people's ideas about the world, do we not?
>
> This has been an amusing exchange. I never ceases to amaze me how
> shallow most Christian's beliefs really are, yet many want to impose
> them on others. At least there's no condemnation in your posts.
I try. Sometimes it's sorely tempting. Your posts are civil and polite,
which makes it easy.
Rod
Baloney.
>
> Bottom line:
>
> You continue to be in error because you are guided by the spirit of
> error (self).
More baloney Andrew.
>
> This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict
> you:
It isn't the holy anything convicting me Andrew, it's your imagination
gone wrong.
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
>
> May we, who are Christians, continue to pray for your perishing soul:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/PrayForRod
>
> <><
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Convicts
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Fred Jones
That is where you are wrong. The only thing different in today's christian from
a medieval christian is that today churches are shying from scientific
teachings. The reason is clear. The average person has now a better grasp as to
science than in medieval times. Religions had to make a change or loose its grip
on society. You ask any christian today on the street, what is hell. If you go
there will you live for ever in torment. The answer will always be hell is a
place of torment of ever burning fires, you will spend eternity in that place.
That is what is being taught period. That is how it has been taught, and if
history proves itself out again will be taught. That in it self shows that no
one is being led by prayer, if that were the case there would only be one
religion, one church. The bible is no more divine word of god than the book
scarlet letter. It is made up in mans mind and used by man to control man. It is
not the infallible proof of a god. It is not an historical account of world
history or creation. It is fiction period and should be used for that purpose
only. If there is a god, that god would not be using this book or any concepts
in this book to manifest it's self to humankind. That is obvious. That is why I
reject your god.
Fred Jones
righteous into life eternal.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
May we, who are Jesus' disciples, continue to rebuke you at each GOD-
given opportunity as GOD desires:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Rebukesatan
> Matthew 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the
> righteous into life eternal.
Amen.
<><
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscerningHeart
Begin Scripture reading --> Matthew 25:31-46.
"When the Son of Man comes in HIS glory, and all the angels with HIM,
HE will sit on HIS throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be
gathered before HIM, and HE will separate the people one from another
as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. HE will put the
sheep on HIS right and the goats on HIS left.
Then the King will say to those on HIS right, 'Come, you who are
blessed by MY Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for
you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave ME
something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave ME something to drink, I
was a stranger and you invited ME in, I needed clothes and you clothed
ME, I was sick and you looked after ME, I was in prison and you came
to visit ME.'
Then the righteous will answer HIM, 'LORD, when did we see YOU hungry
and feed YOU, or thirsty and give YOU something to drink? When did we
see YOU a stranger and invite YOU in, or needing clothes and clothe
YOU? When did we see YOU sick or in prison and go to visit YOU?'
The KING will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one
of the least of these brothers of MINE, you did for ME.'
Then HE will say to those on his left, 'Depart from ME, you who are
cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
For I was hungry and you gave ME nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you
gave ME nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite ME
in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe ME, I was sick and in
prison and you did not look after ME.'
They also will answer, 'LORD, when did we see YOU hungry or thirsty or
a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help
YOU?'
HE will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one
of the least of these, you did not do for ME.'
Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to
eternal life."
******* end Scripture reading******
Selah
The brethren of LORD Jesus Christ are doing what GOD desires...
... HE wants us to be righteous:
This is HIS will.
GOD's will be done here on earth as it is in heaven.
And, so we are righteous without being aware of it. There is much
that GOD does through our hearts, which is HIS temple, without the
awareness of our minds.
The brethren of LORD Jesus Christ are neither perfect nor more
special...
... we are simply forgiven by GOD:
http://www.interviewwithgod.com/forgiven/
Here is the open invitation for all, who are not eternally condemned,
to become our brethren after publicly declaring with your mouth that
"Jesus is LORD:"
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay
<><
bob young
Andrew wrote:
>
> On 2008-04-25 07:09:08 +0100, bob young <alasp...@netvigator.com> said:
>
> >> That has no relevance with regard to the argument here, though. The
> >> point is that, contrary to the OP Christ makes no such demand.
> >
> > Yes it is so easy to get lost trying to follow nebulous
> > religious claims, which are dedicated to the frustrating
> > task of proving the existence of a god that is believed in
> > and which, at same time does nothing, but nothing, to prove
> > that it exists.
>
> Which verbiage means very little.
It draws attention to the vacillating lunacy of following
non existent gods and THAT is quite a lot, looked at from a
psychological viewpoint.
It gets people posting comments like yours above. Think
about it
>
> >
> > So we simple folks cannot be blamed for taking religion on
> > face value, like worshippers kneeling down to pray, even
> > though their god's son didn't demand them to do so. So what
> > ? What is the point here?
>
> It's entirely the point. The OP insisted that Jesus made such a demand
> and that such a demand would not be in keeping with love. As the former
> is untrue, the latter falls.
>
> >
> > Please help out this simple fella struggling to understand
> > religions. Please note I say 'religions' I do not refer
> > just to your particular brand.
> >
> > A poster mentions that Jesus does not require anyone to
> > worship Him. well I forget most of my Biblical teachings
> > but i feel quite confident He certainly did encourage people
> > to worship his father. Which brings me to my next pont.
> >
> > Strange isn't it how christianity is structured so closely
> > to the family group, it's desires and it;s needs,
> > confirming, of course to atheists such as I that it was all
> > made up by man in the first place.
>
> Inevitably human beings interpret God to some degree in human terms.
> All such terms, though, should be regarded as analogy rather than
> analytical fact.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Pastor Frank
> On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 20:48:30 -0500, Dancing Monkey wrote
> (in message <furd9c$7gi$1...@aioe.org>):
>>
>> If satan is dead, then why do you keep posting about it? My guess is
>> your
>> brain is dead too :-)
>
> Can God be dead?
>
What or whomever you idealize is your god or devil. A lot of atheists
worship death and seek oblivion.
Andrew
>>> Finally some one who is admitting to the conspiracy that religion is.
>>> The concept that christian churches teach today is an evolution.
>>
>> Well of course it is! Thinking evolves and changes. Anything else would
>> be blind unreasoning cant. A 21st Century Christian understands the
>> Bible differently from an 11th Century Christian in EXACTLY the same
>> way that a 21st Century scientist understands the world differently
>> from an 11th Century scientist. That's inevitable - for faith to be
>> something other than a statement belief it has to be owned and personal.
>>
>
> That is where you are wrong. The only thing different in today's
> christian from a medieval christian is that today churches are shying
> from scientific teachings.
That is a joke, of course. Sure, there a fundamentalists who have
problems with science - and it's people like you who spread this kind
of misinformation who help add to their numbers. The fact is, though,
that EVERY major denomination of Christianity has no problem with
science whatsoever. There may be reservations about scientific ethics
in certain areas, but NO major denomination of Christianity "shies away
from scientific teachings".
> The reason is clear. The average person has now a better grasp as to
> science than in medieval times.
As a science teacher, I would hope so.
> Religions had to make a change or loose its grip on society. You ask
> any christian today on the street, what is hell. If you go there will
> you live for ever in torment. The answer will always be hell is a place
> of torment of ever burning fires, you will spend eternity in that
> place. That is what is being taught period.
Really? Not in the churches I frequent. Nor is it a topic of
conversation in any of the courts of the church I belong to. I can't
remember having heard a sermon that mentioned it in the 21 years that
I've been a Christian. You really have to stop trawling fundamentalist
websites and taking what they say as typical of Christianity as a whole.
> That is how it has been taught, and if history proves itself out again
> will be taught. That in it self shows that no one is being led by
> prayer, if that were the case there would only be one religion, one
> church.
That's right. We are not "led" in that way. We have independent minds
and we think things through in our own ways, so sometimes we disagree
and there are divisions. Do you have some kind of problem with
independent thinking?
> The bible is no more divine word of god than the book scarlet letter.
The Bible itself says that it was written by human beings.
> It is made up in mans mind and used by man to control man. It is not
> the infallible proof of a god.
Obviously. Nobody outside the crazed little band you seem to have in
mind thinks it is.
> It is not an historical account of world history or creation.
No. It isn't.
> It is fiction period and should be used for that purpose only.
No. It is not fiction. To describe something as "fiction" implies that
the author is creating a narrative that he knows to be untrue. This
cannot be shown to be the case with regard to the Bible. Indeed, whole
swathes of the Bible are not narrative in any sense of the word. What
sense does it make to apply the word "fiction" to songs? Or letters? Or
collections of sayings? Or poems?
> If there is a god, that god would not be using this book or any
> concepts in this book to manifest it's self to humankind. That is
> obvious. That is why I reject your god.
You clearly have no concept whatever of "our" God.
Andrew
> Matthew 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but
> the righteous into life eternal.
No reference to physical torment. Exile, perhaps?
Andrew
>> Which verbiage means very little.
>
> It draws attention to the vacillating lunacy of following
> non existent gods and THAT is quite a lot, looked at from a
> psychological viewpoint.
I hadn't realised you were trained in psychology.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
>
> >
> > It draws attention to the vacillating lunacy of following
> > non existent gods and THAT is quite a lot, looked at from a
> > psychological viewpoint.
>
> I hadn't realised you were trained in psychology.
Pretending and fakery is satan's style:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Pretendersatan
<><
J666
(in message <2008042612302450073-thecroft@macunlimitednet>):
> I hadn't realised you were trained in psychology.
Many babble in areas in which they are not trained - just look at Chungy,
that has never stopped him.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
J666
(in message
<fb147e0d-0180-432b...@34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>):
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/CrazySockPuppets
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/CrazySatan
>
> <><
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/TruthBeatssatan
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/StupidSatan
Lets see - there are 4
Fred Jones
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Semper Libèr® .
"Fred Jones" <suppor...@juno.com> wrote in message
news:1JKdnZ2qke529pLV...@comcast.com...
> Simply take a moment to think about the following statement:
> "Hello, my name is Jesus. I love you deeply. I have loved you since you
were
> conceived in the womb and I will love you for all eternity. I died for you
on
> the cross because I love you so much. I long to have a loving personal
> relationship with you. I will answer all of your prayers through my love.
But if
> you do not get down on your knees and worship me, and if you do not EAT MY
BODY
> and DRINK MY BLOOD, then I WILL INCINERATE YOU WITH UNIMAGINABLY TORTUOUS
PAIN
> IN THE FIRES OF HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY!!!!"
So many errors, its hard to know where to start.
First of all, Jesus calls believers "brothers" and promises to share his
authority, so your image of being forced to "get down on your knees" is
rather silly. It's actually Satan who is going to force you to worship
him.... and his earthy emissary will appear soon enough to show you what
that looks like.
Your 'eat my body' comment is a misunderstanding of the practice of blood
covenants, which were common practice in those days.... they didn't have
armies of lawyers witnessing contracts out in the desert, so if you wanted
to make a meaningful contract with someone you figured you could trust, you
established it with a covenant... The two heads of each family would often
represent the rest of the family, and they would join names... The evidence
of that practice is still around us today.
The symbology of a covenant involves the committment of laying down of ones
life for the other..... It is where the expression 'blood is thicker than
water' came from, which like most things, is distorted in today's common
parlance. You could not choose who your brother by birth was, but you did
choose who your covenant brother was - therefore there is relationship that
is closer than a (natural) brother.... A covenant was absolutely
unbreakable.... the only release from it was death... Marriage is such a
covenant, and that is why we still say 'till death us do part'.....the groom
and bride feed each other cake to symbolize their "i will even lay down my
life for you' bond... some cultures still bind the wrists with a red cloth
to symbolize the joining of the blood... (symbols of the agreement) and
thanks to being a more "civilized" society, we have become covenant breakers
on a routine basis. Marriage no longer means what it used to, and children
suffer greatly because of it.
Hell is another word for the grave... a place of decay and destruction....
and thank goodness that those who *delight* in doing harm are destined for
such a place, so the rest of creation doesn't have to put up with it
forever. There is a prison for the devil and his angels.... If you have been
pardoned by the judge, but you refuse to accept his generous offer, you have
to do the time... That sort of decision is yours... Law is a necessary part
of God's creation... You can be perfect, or except the pardon, or recieve
the just punishment.... your free will, so make up your mind...
God is a God of order, not disorder.. One would think the fact the judge has
provided a way out of punishment (by taking it upon himself) would be
indicative of his unwillingness to see anyone receive it. Are you familiar
with logic?
You have to have law to maintain order and freedom. God is showing us what
disorder looks like... he's giving everyone a choice... so now is the time
to decide if you want to serve order or disorder.
bob young
Andrew wrote:
>
> On 2008-04-26 10:01:01 +0100, bob young <alasp...@netvigator.com> said:
>
> >> Which verbiage means very little.
> >
> > It draws attention to the vacillating lunacy of following
> > non existent gods and THAT is quite a lot, looked at from a
> > psychological viewpoint.
>
> I hadn't realised you were trained in psychology.
'Psychology' n. The study of the human mind, a treatise on
or a system of it [P.O.D.]
Andrew
>>> It draws attention to the vacillating lunacy of following
>>> non existent gods and THAT is quite a lot, looked at from a
>>> psychological viewpoint.
>>
>> I hadn't realised you were trained in psychology.
>
>
> 'Psychology' n. The study of the human mind, a treatise on
> or a system of it [P.O.D.]
I realised you understood the word. I simply had no idea you had spent
any time studying the subject.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
>
> >>> non existent gods and THAT is quite a lot, looked at from a
> >>> psychological viewpoint.
> >>
> >> I hadn't realised you were trained in psychology.
> >
> > 'Psychology' n. The study of the human mind, a treatise on
> > or a system of it [P.O.D.]
>
> I realised you understood the word. I simply had no idea you had spent
> any time studying the subject.
The study failed with the false belief that love resides in the mind
because true love is found in the hearts of our souls. Those who
suffer from the delusion that love resides in the mind never find it.
Such is the evil of satan's lies:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Lovelesssatan
<><
J666
(in message
<fb23ed97-625f-403f...@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com>):
> true love is found in the hearts of our souls
And with a heart transplant you wake up loving whomever the donor loved.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Fred Jones
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heart...@emorycardiology.com> wrote in message
news:7bfd916f-0535-4ed0...@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Lovelesssatan
>
> <><
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/TruthBeatssatan
Lying is satins native language? Religion speaks it quite well also.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>
> Lying is satins native language?
Lying is satan's native language.
> Religion speaks it quite well also.
Religion does not speak.
Your errors simply show that you are guided by the spirit of error
(self) so that you are among the lost:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheLost
The brethren of LORD Jesus Christ are neither perfect nor more
special...
... we are simply forgiven by GOD:
http://www.interviewwithgod.com/forgiven/
May you wisely choose to be forgiven too by publicly declaring with
your mouth that "Jesus is LORD:"
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay
Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow
Nicodemus
re: Publicly with my my mouth,
I Beleive In God.
Bill M
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heart...@emorycardiology.com> wrote in message
news:fb23ed97-625f-403f...@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> friend Andrew wrote:
>> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
>>
>> >>> It draws attention to the vacillating lunacy of following
>> >>> non existent gods and THAT is quite a lot, looked at from a
>> >>> psychological viewpoint.
>> >>
>> >> I hadn't realised you were trained in psychology.
>> >
>> > 'Psychology' n. The study of the human mind, a treatise on
>> > or a system of it [P.O.D.]
>>
>> I realised you understood the word. I simply had no idea you had spent
>> any time studying the subject.
>
> The study failed with the false belief that love resides in the mind
> because true love is found in the hearts of our souls.
What is a heart doing pumping blood in our spiritual soul?
Your either delusional or drunk!
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Father Haskell
> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 5:32:36 -0500, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote
> (in message
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> > true love is found in the hearts of our souls
>
> And with a heart transplant you wake up loving whomever the donor loved.
If the donor had a hot wife, do you get her, too?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
bob young
Been a favorite subject of mine for years, I have many
books by Jung, Freud, Miller, Wundt, James, etc.
The are/were people restless to inquire into the workings of
the human mind, trying to ferret out why we behave the way
we do and why we do what we do. For example, right up to
date, an Austrian male reported yesterday as having fathered
seven children with his own daughter - that kind of thing.
There are two basic viewpoints. The human mind is a kind of
divine creation, not perfect but all the same something
different and special, set apart from the minds [brains] of
other living things, and;
The human brain is an exception to the evolutionary rule,
some even say a freak within the scope of nature,
recognising as we do the difficulty in observing the human
mind as the only tool available to do this is, regrettably,
just another mind.
A favorite tool is the Bell Curve where human attributes are
measured and plotted on a graph. The simplest is a
classroom of boys who are measured for height. The very
shortest will fall within the left hand bottom curve of the
bell shape and the ultra tall in the opposite lower corner
of the bell, the average make up the sides and top [the
body] of the bell. If itelligence or IQ is used we get a
similar shape.
Very basic, but if we could measure 'religious tendency' the
same would apply, far on the right would be the ultra
religious person [the fundamentalist], whilst the rest of
the RH side of the bell would be normal religious types
swinging left to those who do not care about gods and on the
far left people like me.
If nothing else it shows how different we all are and that
at the end of the day none of us are right, even though we
would like to think we are.
Who shall decide, when doctors disagree
[Pope]
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
monkfish
> Andrew wrote:
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>> On 2008-04-27 04:41:01 +0100, bob young <alasp...@netvigator.com>
>> said:
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>> >>> It draws attention to the vacillating lunacy of following non
>> >>> existent gods and THAT is quite a lot, looked at from a
>> >>> psychological viewpoint.
>> >>
>> >> I hadn't realised you were trained in psychology.
>> >
>> >
>> > 'Psychology' n. The study of the human mind, a treatise on or a
>> > system of it [P.O.D.]
>>
>> I realised you understood the word. I simply had no idea you had spent
>> any time studying the subject.
>
> Been a favorite subject of mine for years, I have many books by Jung,
> Freud, Miller, Wundt, James, etc.
>
Hard to believe.
What does it mean for us to sublimate our needs
to the point of loving even our enemies?
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bob young
monkfish wrote:
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> On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 01:30:02 -0500, bob young wrote:
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> > Andrew wrote:
> >>
> >> On 2008-04-27 04:41:01 +0100, bob young <alasp...@netvigator.com>
> >> said:
> >>
> >> >>> It draws attention to the vacillating lunacy of following non
> >> >>> existent gods and THAT is quite a lot, looked at from a
> >> >>> psychological viewpoint.
> >> >>
> >> >> I hadn't realised you were trained in psychology.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > 'Psychology' n. The study of the human mind, a treatise on or a
> >> > system of it [P.O.D.]
> >>
> >> I realised you understood the word. I simply had no idea you had spent
> >> any time studying the subject.
> >
> > Been a favorite subject of mine for years, I have many books by Jung,
> > Freud, Miller, Wundt, James, etc.
> >
>
> Hard to believe.
>
> What does it mean for us to sublimate our needs
> to the point of loving even our enemies?
what is the point of answering your posts?
monkfish
> monkfish wrote:
>>
>> What does it mean for us to sublimate our needs
>> to the point of loving even our enemies?
>
> what is the point of answering your posts?
You will learn to be grateful for everything.
bob young
monkfish wrote:
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> bob young wrote:
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> > monkfish wrote:
> >>
> >> What does it mean for us to sublimate our needs
> >> to the point of loving even our enemies?
> >
> > what is the point of answering your posts?
>
> You will learn to be grateful for everything.
I am very grateful to the 'DELETE' button
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
bob young
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote:
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> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Love
Yes that is the origins of banal beliefs, repeat claims
often enough even intelligent people will believe them.
That is what Hitler's propaganda chief said
'Tell the masses a big lie often enpough and in time they
will all beleive it"
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
bob young
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote:
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Repetition does not a god create.
If there s a god it should show, like your book claims it
showed to Moses over two thousand years ago.
What's wrong? God lost some of 'his' powers !?
Or is it all a gigantic swindle justified by man made myths ?
Smile
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
bob young
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote:
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God should..................
Speak to someone today as it is claimed 'god' spoke to Moses
on the mountain top.
Show itself to someone today; as it is claimed God
'revealed' itself to Moses on the mountain top.
(The biblical claim - And he saw God face to face, and he
talked with him, and the glory of God was upon Moses;
therefore Moses could endure his presence.)
Create another son of god and have him sort out the current
international mess that makes the world of Jesus seem like
paradise by comparison.
This new 'Son of God' can then do more of the following:
A) Walk on water
B) Cure a selected number of cripples and lepers - not all
of them of course, since this was not the case before. [And
we know why don't we?]
C) Feed the world with five loaves and fishes in readiness
for the forecasted serious food shortage, particularly in
Africa where thousands are currently starving.
D) Prevent tsunamis of the kind we saw two years back which
swept over two thousand innocent children out to sea to
drown, leaving behind around six thousand life long grieving relatives.
E) Heal another epileptic boy and another Centurion's
servant. [This time let's make it a 'politicians servant]
And he should heal *every* epileptic boy and *every*
politicians servant that is about to die, rather than an
opportunistic one
This should be enough for starters.
monkfish
Still clueless?
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Pastor Frank
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> Andrew wrote:
>> On 2008-04-27 04:41:01 +0100, bob young <alasp...@netvigator.com>
>> said:
>>
>> >>> It draws attention to the vacillating lunacy of following
>> >>> non existent gods and THAT is quite a lot, looked at from a
>> >>> psychological viewpoint.
>> >>
>> >> I hadn't realised you were trained in psychology.
>> >
>> > 'Psychology' n. The study of the human mind, a treatise on
>> > or a system of it [P.O.D.]
>>
>> I realised you understood the word. I simply had no idea you had spent
>> any time studying the subject.
>
> Been a favorite subject of mine for years, I have many
> books by Jung, Freud, Miller, Wundt, James, etc.
>
Pastor Frank
Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested in
Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the cross of Calvary. We
therefore know our God and have seen Him through Jesus Christ, our Lord
and Saviour. (Jesus in John 14:6-10)
Atheists don't know our God and therefore can't see manifestations of
love and care in human beings, and to the death if need be, such as we see
in Jesus Christ. (Jesus in John 3:3)