Health problems arising from being of this world.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> All flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as
> the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the
> flower thereof falleth away, but the word of the Lord
> endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the
> gospel is preached unto you. 1 Peter 1:24-25
>
> Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and
> pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war
> against the soul... 1 Peter 2:11
>
> Brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live
> after the flesh. For if ye live after the flesh, ye
> shall die, but if ye through the Spirit do mortify
> the deeds of the body, ye shall live. Romans 8:12-13
>
> Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are
> these: adultery, fornication, uncleanness,
> lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred,
> variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions,
> heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings,
> and such like; of the which I tell you before, as I
> have also told you in time past, that they which do
> such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
> Galatians 5:19-21
>
> Let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the
> flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of
> God. 2 Corinthians 7:1
>
> Hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
> Jude 1:23
>
> Put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not
> provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.
> Romans 13:14
>
> They that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with
> the affections and lusts. Galatians 5:24
>
> As Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm
> yourselves likewise with the same mind, for he that
> hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin, that
> he no longer should live the rest of his time in the
> flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.
> 1 Peter 4:1-2
>
> When they speak great swelling words of vanity, they
> allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much
> wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them
> who live in error. 2 Peter 2:18
>
> Them that walk after the flesh in the lust of
> uncleanness... 2 Peter 2:10
>
> All that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and
> the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not
> of the Father, but is of the world. And the world
> passeth away, and the lust thereof, but he that doeth
> the will of God abideth for ever. 1 John 2:16-17
Amen and amen ! ! !
May GOD continue to bless the writing of HIS Word in these usenet
newsgroups, in the holy name of GOD's one and only cherished Son,
Jesus, who chose to suffer and die on the cross in order to save us
from all of our deadly sins.
Amen ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Many thanks to GOD for your perseverence through faith in HIM.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/mpuzr
Al
>
> Many thanks to GOD for your perseverence through faith in HIM.
>
> Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
More Chung crap. Laugh and ignore.
Flying Rat
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD says...
>
> May GOD continue to bless the writing of HIS Word in these usenet
> newsgroups, in the holy name of GOD's one and only cherished Son,
> Jesus, who chose to suffer and die on the cross in order to save us
> from all of our deadly sins.
>
>
shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable
heresies ..." 2 Pet. 2:1
sorta shows him up for what he is, doesn't it?
Chump is a Satanist!
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
"A house divided against itself can not stand." -- LORD Jesus Christ
Amen.
Still praying for your soul, dear neighbor.
Kurt Gavin
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nos...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
>
> Amen and amen ! ! !
Amen and HOWAYLOOYAH. The Chunkers is a TRUE wakadoon !!!!
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Name-calling remains a tell for those with satan's mark emblazoned
across their foreheads.
Still praying for your soul, dear Kurt.
Kurt Gavin
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
news:1147993206....@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
> Kurt Gavin wrote:
>> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nos...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
>> >
>> > Amen and amen ! ! !
>>
>> Amen and HOWAYLOOYAH. The Chunkers is a TRUE wakadoon !!!!
>
> Name-calling remains a tell for those with satan's mark emblazoned
> across their foreheads.
The only thing you could TELL of any interest is what regime of
psychotropics you are on.
Psst, chunkers,,, there is NO JESUS. HAHAHAHAHAHAH.
Chris
> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
> news:1147993206....@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
(snipped)
> Psst, chunkers,,, there is NO JESUS. HAHAHAHAHAHAH.
Messianic jews would tell you differently.
Shalom and blessings to you.
Kurt Gavin
"Chris" <loxi...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:1147999010.8...@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
OK, bring him forward and let him prove he exists. I'll be glad to be proved
wrong.
John
wrote:
He was brought forward as depicted in Matthew 27:
"22 What shall I do, then, with Jesus who is called Christ?" Pilate
asked.
They all answered, "Crucify him!" "
So would you claim it would be any different today?
Blessings,
John
panam...@hotmail.com
<sigh>
Kurt, do you want to tell him, or should I?
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
EAC Martian Commander
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> John wrote:
> > On Fri, 19 May 2006 00:38:45 GMT, "Kurt Gavin" <dontb...@ignore.com>
> > wrote:
> > >"Chris" <loxi...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> > >news:1147999010.8...@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > >> Kurt Gavin wrote:
> > >>> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
> > >>> news:1147993206....@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
> > >>
> > >> (snipped)
> > >>
> > >>> Psst, chunkers,,, there is NO JESUS. HAHAHAHAHAHAH.
> > >>
> > >> Messianic jews would tell you differently.
> > >
> > >OK, bring him forward and let him prove he exists. I'll be glad to be proved
> > >wrong.
> >
> > He was brought forward as depicted in Matthew 27:
> > "22 What shall I do, then, with Jesus who is called Christ?" Pilate
> > asked.
> > They all answered, "Crucify him!" "
> >
> > So would you claim it would be any different today?
>
> <sigh>
Without the LORD, there can only be fear and despair.
Still praying for your soul, dear Floyd.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/qrgdk
Kurt Gavin
"John" <john9...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:54eq62ph04q4944ra...@4ax.com...
If he exists, bring him forward to prove his powers.
Nobody would have EVER hav executed a person ACTUALLY able to heal the sick
and injured and raise the dead. That person would have been the most
valuable person on earth. jesus could do none of those things.
The whole New Trstament is made up. The recently found book of Judas shows
mr. "jesus" had to order his own man to trun him in - the authorites weren't
even that interested in him.
Grow up.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> "John" <john9...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:54eq62ph04q4944ra...@4ax.com...
> > On Fri, 19 May 2006 00:38:45 GMT, "Kurt Gavin" <dontb...@ignore.com>
> > wrote:
> >>"Chris" <loxi...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> >>news:1147999010.8...@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >>> Kurt Gavin wrote:
> >>>> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
> >>>> news:1147993206....@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
> >>>
> >>> (snipped)
> >>>
> >>>> Psst, chunkers,,, there is NO JESUS. HAHAHAHAHAHAH.
> >>>
> >>> Messianic jews would tell you differently.
> >>
> >>OK, bring him forward and let him prove he exists. I'll be glad to be
> >>proved
> >>wrong.
> >
> > He was brought forward as depicted in Matthew 27:
> > "22 What shall I do, then, with Jesus who is called Christ?" Pilate
> > asked.
> > They all answered, "Crucify him!" "
> >
> > So would you claim it would be any different today?
>
> If he exists, bring him forward to prove his powers.
It is not time yet for HIS return.
> Nobody would have EVER hav executed a person ACTUALLY able to heal the sick
> and injured and raise the dead. That person would have been the most
> valuable person on earth.
Only to the sick and infirm who had no political power then and do not
have political power now.
> jesus could do none of those things.
Without the LORD, your beliefs are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
> The whole New Trstament is made up.
Not for the discerning.
> The recently found book of Judas shows
> mr. "jesus" had to order his own man to trun him in - the authorites weren't
> even that interested in him.
If truly the authorities were not interested in Jesus, they would have
been even less interested in one of Jesus' followers.
Truth is simple.
> Grow up.
It is as children, we will enter GOD's kingdom.
Still praying for your soul, dear Kurt.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/qrgdk
Kurt Gavin
> Kurt Gavin wrote:
>> "John" <john9...@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:54eq62ph04q4944ra...@4ax.com...
>> > On Fri, 19 May 2006 00:38:45 GMT, "Kurt Gavin" <dontb...@ignore.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>"Chris" <loxi...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
>> >>news:1147999010.8...@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> >>> Kurt Gavin wrote:
>> >>>> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
>> >>>> news:1147993206....@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
>> >>>
>> >>> (snipped)
>> >>>
>> >>>> Psst, chunkers,,, there is NO JESUS. HAHAHAHAHAHAH.
>> >>>
>> >>> Messianic jews would tell you differently.
>> >>
>> >>OK, bring him forward and let him prove he exists. I'll be glad to be
>> >>proved
>> >>wrong.
>> >
>> > He was brought forward as depicted in Matthew 27:
>> > "22 What shall I do, then, with Jesus who is called Christ?" Pilate
>> > asked.
>> > They all answered, "Crucify him!" "
>> >
>> > So would you claim it would be any different today?
>>
>> If he exists, bring him forward to prove his powers.
>
> It is not time yet for HIS return.
He can't return. Assuming he ever existed, he died centuries ago. If you
have PROOF otherwise, furnish, and don;t put forward the New Testament -
it's essentially a comic book.
>> Nobody would have EVER hav executed a person ACTUALLY able to heal the
>> sick
>> and injured and raise the dead. That person would have been the most
>> valuable person on earth.
>
> Only to the sick and infirm who had no political power then and do not
> have political power now.
This reply is revealing of how crippled your mind is by your fantasies.
Do you think the rich and powerful of those times didn't fear sickness,
injury and death?
You are a mental cripple.
>> jesus could do none of those things.
>
> Without the LORD, your beliefs are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
It is YOU who defies Yahweh by worshipping a false god and genuflecting
before crosses, not me.
You are in BIG trouble.
>> The whole New Trstament is made up.
>
> Not for the discerning.
You are capable of discerning nothing - your mind is addled.
>> The recently found book of Judas shows
>> mr. "jesus" had to order his own man to trun him in - the authorites
>> weren't
>> even that interested in him.
>
> If truly the authorities were not interested in Jesus, they would have
> been even less interested in one of Jesus' followers.
Your mind is addled. They weren't interested in Judas. He was only an
informant.
> Truth is simple.
>
>> Grow up.
>
> It is as children, we will enter GOD's kingdom.
I don't think so, not in your case. You'rew worshipping a false god before
Yahweh.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
HE will return as promised and prophesied many times by others greater
than me.
> Assuming he ever existed, he died centuries ago.
HE remains risen.
> If you
> have PROOF otherwise, furnish, and don;t put forward the New Testament -
> it's essentially a comic book.
The proof has been provided many times over even outside the written
Word of GOD.
> >> Nobody would have EVER hav executed a person ACTUALLY able to heal the
> >> sick
> >> and injured and raise the dead. That person would have been the most
> >> valuable person on earth.
> >
> > Only to the sick and infirm who had no political power then and do not
> > have political power now.
>
> This reply is revealing of how crippled your mind is by your fantasies.
Hardly.
> Do you think the rich and powerful of those times didn't fear sickness,
> injury and death?
Not while they were well. Not then and not now. Indeed, many of the
uninsured in the U.S. are actually among the affluent who have made the
unwise choice to save money by forsaking the expense of health
insurance (because they were not mindful of the possibility of sickness
and/or infirmity) only to regret this decision when they experience a
catastrophic illness or injury.
> You are a mental cripple.
If you were secure in the truth, you would have had the strength to
resist the temptation of descending into name-calling.
> >> jesus could do none of those things.
> >
> > Without the LORD, your beliefs are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
>
> It is YOU who defies Yahweh by worshipping a false god and genuflecting
> before crosses, not me.
LORD GOD Almighty remains the truth.
> You are in BIG trouble.
The LORD has saved me and remains my Shepherd.
> >> The whole New Trstament is made up.
> >
> > Not for the discerning.
>
> You are capable of discerning nothing - your mind is addled.
Without the LORD, your beliefs and opinions are meaningless
(Ecclesiastes).
> >> The recently found book of Judas shows
> >> mr. "jesus" had to order his own man to trun him in - the authorites
> >> weren't
> >> even that interested in him.
> >
> > If truly the authorities were not interested in Jesus, they would have
> > been even less interested in one of Jesus' followers.
>
> Your mind is addled. They weren't interested in Judas. He was only an
> informant.
A paid informant.
> > Truth is simple.
> >
> >> Grow up.
> >
> > It is as children, we will enter GOD's kingdom.
>
> I don't think so, not in your case. You'rew worshipping a false god before
> Yahweh.
Again, without the LORD, what you think/believe is meaningless
(Ecclesiastes).
Kurt Gavin
Fakers giving prophesies in support of other fakers is NOT proof of
anything.
>> Assuming he ever existed, he died centuries ago.
>
> HE remains risen.
If he actually existed, it could be proven. There is no jesus.
>> If you
>> have PROOF otherwise, furnish, and don;t put forward the New Testament -
>> it's essentially a comic book.
>
> The proof has been provided many times over even outside the written
> Word of GOD.
There is no proof. Your weak claim is tacit submission.
>> >> Nobody would have EVER hav executed a person ACTUALLY able to heal
>> >> the
>> >> sick
>> >> and injured and raise the dead. That person would have been the most
>> >> valuable person on earth.
>> >
>> > Only to the sick and infirm who had no political power then and do not
>> > have political power now.
>>
>> This reply is revealing of how crippled your mind is by your fantasies.
>
> Hardly.
This non-answer is a TACIT SUBMISSION by chung that jesus was a faker.
>> Do you think the rich and powerful of those times didn't fear sickness,
>> injury and death?
>
> Not while they were well. Not then and not now. Indeed, many of the
> uninsured in the U.S. are actually among the affluent who have made the
> unwise choice to save money by forsaking the expense of health
> insurance (because they were not mindful of the possibility of sickness
> and/or infirmity) only to regret this decision when they experience a
> catastrophic illness or injury.
This non-answer is a TACIT SUBMISSION by chung that jesus was a faker. .
>> You are a mental cripple.
>
> If you were secure in the truth, you would have had the strength to
> resist the temptation of descending into name-calling.
"You are a mental cripple" IS A DESCRIPTION, NOT A NAME.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
The LORD's purpose for me here is to inform and not to either prove or
convince.
All victories here have been HIS.
> >> Assuming he ever existed, he died centuries ago.
> >
> > HE remains risen.
>
> If he actually existed, it could be proven. There is no jesus.
If that were true, many things that have been witnessed here would be
inexplicable.
> >> If you
> >> have PROOF otherwise, furnish, and don;t put forward the New Testament -
> >> it's essentially a comic book.
> >
> > The proof has been provided many times over even outside the written
> > Word of GOD.
>
> There is no proof. Your weak claim is tacit submission.
Actually, everything written here is tacit so that what you have
written continues to be meaningless, without the LORD (Ecclesiastes).
> >> >> Nobody would have EVER hav executed a person ACTUALLY able to heal
> >> >> the
> >> >> sick
> >> >> and injured and raise the dead. That person would have been the most
> >> >> valuable person on earth.
> >> >
> >> > Only to the sick and infirm who had no political power then and do not
> >> > have political power now.
> >>
> >> This reply is revealing of how crippled your mind is by your fantasies.
> >
> > Hardly.
>
> This non-answer is a TACIT SUBMISSION by chung that jesus was a faker.
Where there is no question, no answer is required. Your difficulties
indicate that the LORD's powerful blessings are destroying the synaptic
connections in your brain because of your choice to remain unrepentant
as you turn your back on GOD, Who created you.
>
> >> Do you think the rich and powerful of those times didn't fear sickness,
> >> injury and death?
> >
> > Not while they were well. Not then and not now. Indeed, many of the
> > uninsured in the U.S. are actually among the affluent who have made the
> > unwise choice to save money by forsaking the expense of health
> > insurance (because they were not mindful of the possibility of sickness
> > and/or infirmity) only to regret this decision when they experience a
> > catastrophic illness or injury.
>
> This non-answer is a TACIT SUBMISSION by chung that jesus was a faker. .
Your inability to comprehend a plainly written answer to your question
indicates that you are suffering from OBS. Would suggest you inform
your doctor(s) about your difficulties before your condition becomes
irreversible.
> >> You are a mental cripple.
> >
> > If you were secure in the truth, you would have had the strength to
> > resist the temptation of descending into name-calling.
>
> "You are a mental cripple" IS A DESCRIPTION, NOT A NAME.
Would suggest you look up name-calling:
Kurt Gavin
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
>> >
>> > HE will return as promised and prophesied many times by others greater
>> > than me.
>>
>> Fakers giving prophesies in support of other fakers is NOT proof of
>> anything.
>
> The LORD's purpose for me here is to inform and not to either prove or
> convince.
A non-statement that tacitly proves there is is no jesus.
If there were, there would be some proof of it, and you caould state it.
<snip other non-statements>
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
--Proof from GOD--
Null hypothesis: There is no LORD Jesus Christ
Prediction based on null hypothesis: If there is no LORD Jesus Christ,
executions of HIS followers should cause HIS followers to renounce
their faith in HIM.
Observation: HIS followers have not renounced their faith in HIM even
unto death. Case in point: Abdul Rehman, the Afghani placed on death
row for accepting Jesus as his LORD and Savior. While about to be
executed, he did not beg for his life but for his Bible.
Conclusion: Reject the null hypothesis.
--End Proof--
Still praying for your soul, Kurt.
turk
> Kurt Gavin wrote:
>> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
>> >> >
>> >> > HE will return as promised and prophesied many times by others
>> >> > greater
>> >> > than me.
>> >>
>> >> Fakers giving prophesies in support of other fakers is NOT proof of
>> >> anything.
>> >
>> > The LORD's purpose for me here is to inform and not to either prove or
>> > convince.
>>
>> A non-statement that tacitly proves there is is no jesus.
>>
>> If there were, there would be some proof of it, and you caould state it.
>
> --Proof from GOD--
>
> Null hypothesis: There is no LORD Jesus Christ
>
> Prediction based on null hypothesis: If there is no LORD Jesus Christ,
> executions of HIS followers should cause HIS followers to renounce
> their faith in HIM.
The hijackers on 911 died for their God. The audio tapes from one of the
planes don't have any of them renouncing, but praising their deity until
their death. Thus, the Islamic God is real. I'd take actual audio tape
over two thousand year old books based on heresay, so the Islamic God has
more evidence in it's favor than the Christian God. But of course, that
only matters if your hypothesis is valid, which it isn't. Not even close.
> Observation: HIS followers have not renounced their faith in HIM even
> unto death. Case in point: Abdul Rehman, the Afghani placed on death
> row for accepting Jesus as his LORD and Savior. While about to be
> executed, he did not beg for his life but for his Bible.
He's been dignosed as at least partially insane. If you kill a mental
patient who claims Elvis is living in a trailer park in Chatanooga, does
that make it true?
> Conclusion: Reject the null hypothesis.
Conclusion: Reject feeble-minded Christians desperately clinging to
non-sequitor arguments whose irrational fear of death renders them incable
of understanding even the simplest logical concepts.
turk
--
What has 'theology' ever said that is of the smallest use to anybody? When
has 'theology' ever said anything that is demonstrably true and is not
obvious? What makes you think that 'theology' is a subject at all? --Richard
Dawkins
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
> news:1148221062.2...@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
> > Kurt Gavin wrote:
> >> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >
> >> >> > HE will return as promised and prophesied many times by others
> >> >> > greater
> >> >> > than me.
> >> >>
> >> >> Fakers giving prophesies in support of other fakers is NOT proof of
> >> >> anything.
> >> >
> >> > The LORD's purpose for me here is to inform and not to either prove or
> >> > convince.
> >>
> >> A non-statement that tacitly proves there is is no jesus.
> >>
> >> If there were, there would be some proof of it, and you caould state it.
> >
> > --Proof from GOD--
> >
> > Null hypothesis: There is no LORD Jesus Christ
> >
> > Prediction based on null hypothesis: If there is no LORD Jesus Christ,
> > executions of HIS followers should cause HIS followers to renounce
> > their faith in HIM.
>
> The hijackers on 911 died for their God.
Actually, they died for their cause rather than for GOD.
The world did not ask them to renounce their faith in GOD upon threat
of execution if they did not.
Truth is simple.
Truth is invincible.
Truth is absolute.
"I am the way, the truth, and the life..." -- LORD Jesus Christ
Will be praying for your soul, dear neighbor.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/jjl29
pba...@worldonline.nl
The supposition that people would stick to there believes if
threathened by execution,
only if their ideas were right has not been proven.
In fact heathens and heretics have been executed by Christians too,
without giving up there believes.
But does that prove they were right?
Hardly
Giordano Bruno was excectuted for his ideas
(he believed intelligent being lived on other "planets" in the solar
system,
which then included the sun and the moon)
The fact that he died for not renouncing this,
does not proof him right
Contrarily Galileo Galilei did give in to the church,
but that did not proof him wrong.
For it since has been proven he was right!
You should try and uses better premisses,
if you don't want people to laugh at you.
Peter van Velzen
May 2006
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
Greywolf
> Kurt Gavin wrote:
>> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
>> >> >
>> >> > HE will return as promised and prophesied many times by others
>> >> > greater
>> >> > than me.
>> >>
I'd like for you to read Paul's words in I Thessalonians, chapter 4, verses
13 thru 18. Pay particular attention to Paul's 'prophecy' where he implies
that he, and at least the *majority* of his listeners who haven't *yet*
'fallen asleep (i.e, already died) will, nevertheless, meet with those
unfortunates somewhere in the 'clouds', and together, will 'meet wth Lord in
the air'. Well I hate to break the news to you, but Paul and his followers
all died before Jesus' so-called 'return'. Does this *fact* not make Paul a
'false' prophet? Of course not, you will say, he *can't* be. Why he's he's
... PAUL! He couldn't *possibly* have been wrong! You are just
misinterpreting Paul's words here, and and and ... taking his words out of
context, you filthy atheist, you! Really? What is the natural reading of the
texts? Do you have to be a German graduate student at the University of
Tubingen to truly 'understand' what Paul is saying in these texts? Is it
impossible to construe these words to mean that Paul passionately believed
that he and his 'listeners' were going to meet with their Lord in *their*
lifetimes? I hardly think so. Take the texts at face value and come to the
realization that 'Christians' back 'then' believed in a very imminent return
of the Nazarene.
>> >> Fakers giving prophesies in support of other fakers is NOT proof of
>> >> anything.
>> >
>> > The LORD's purpose for me here is to inform and not to either prove or
>> > convince.
Who's purpose? That's a pretty tall declaration you've made there, fella.
How in the world could *you* prove to anyone in this newsgroup that *you*
were especially entusted by an invisible deity to 'inform' we present day
atheists with *anything*? Do you have any idea how silly that sounds? How
about the Pope? Are you and he working in collaboration?
You add the caveat that you are here to neither prove or convince --
implying that you are just some kind of 'messenger'. Well, what's the
matter? Can't the message-giver just present his 'message' to us in person?
Is that too hard for him to do? Now just suppose you got snookered by the
Church into believing the nonsense you've posted and that you are, in
reality, a brainwashed brainwasher who is espousing Church nonsense to keep
the Chuch in money and power? How would that affect you? Wouldn't you just
feel silly -- and *angry*? Well, guess what? You know the rest.
>>
>> A non-statement that tacitly proves there is is no jesus.
>>
>> If there were, there would be some proof of it, and you caould state it.
>
> --Proof from GOD--
>
> Null hypothesis: There is no LORD Jesus Christ
>
> Prediction based on null hypothesis: If there is no LORD Jesus Christ,
> executions of HIS followers should cause HIS followers to renounce
> their faith in HIM.
Whoa! Hold on there, cowboy. That is a bogus 'argument' from the 'git-go'
and you *know* it.
>
> Observation: HIS followers have not renounced their faith in HIM even
> unto death. Case in point: Abdul Rehman, the Afghani placed on death
> row for accepting Jesus as his LORD and Savior. While about to be
> executed, he did not beg for his life but for his Bible.
>
> Conclusion: Reject the null hypothesis.
>
> --End Proof--
>
Not exactly. You've shown some proof that the guy was crazy, that's all. And
*had* he been beheaded for his new found love of Jesus/God, do you think
Jesus/God would have intervened and supernaturally 'held back' the blade, or
restore his severed head back to its original condition ala the severed ear
of Malchus in John's gospel to reward this stalwart believer for his
unflagging faith in him? Nah. His head would have fallen off and the rest of
the Christian world would think, 'Now *that's* a Christian! You idiots. How
sad. And how pitiful you extremists and your lot are.
Mark K. Bilbo
<1148221062.2...@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>...
> Null hypothesis: The space between Andy's ears.
--
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*nemo*
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
> --Proof from GOD--
>
> Null hypothesis: There is no LORD Jesus Christ
>
> Prediction based on null hypothesis: If there is no LORD Jesus Christ,
> executions of HIS followers should cause HIS followers to renounce
> their faith in HIM.
>
> Observation: HIS followers have not renounced their faith in HIM even
> unto death. Case in point: Abdul Rehman, the Afghani placed on death
> row for accepting Jesus as his LORD and Savior. While about to be
> executed, he did not beg for his life but for his Bible.
>
> Conclusion: Reject the null hypothesis.
>
> --End Proof--
You can say the same for all religious zealots. Look at the faith unto
death of hundreds of Muslims over the past decades. Does this mean that
Allah is therefore as real as Jesus? If not, how does your logic
differentiate between them?
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Kurt Gavin
Ludicrous, absolutely ludicrous.
Over 900 other cultists committed suicide in Jonestown in the late '70's -
does that prove their cult leader was worthy?
In Waco, 100? people died in the Branch Davidian incident - did that prove
their pedophilic cult leader was worthy?
Andrew, this foolish argument shows again how your jesus fantasy has
degenerated your mental faculties.
raven1
<and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>Kurt Gavin wrote:
>> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
>> >> >
>> >> > HE will return as promised and prophesied many times by others greater
>> >> > than me.
>> >>
>> >> Fakers giving prophesies in support of other fakers is NOT proof of
>> >> anything.
>> >
>> > The LORD's purpose for me here is to inform and not to either prove or
>> > convince.
>>
>> A non-statement that tacitly proves there is is no jesus.
>>
>> If there were, there would be some proof of it, and you caould state it.
>
>--Proof from GOD--
>
>Null hypothesis: There is no LORD Jesus Christ
>
>Prediction based on null hypothesis: If there is no LORD Jesus Christ,
>executions of HIS followers should cause HIS followers to renounce
>their faith in HIM.
Whether or not Christians renounce their faith is irrelevant to the
actual existence or non-existence of Jesus, it indicates only whether
or not Christians *believe* he exists.
--
"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
Christopher A. Lee
How did this retard ever get his degrees?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schreef:
> > Kurt Gavin wrote:
> > > "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
> > > >> >
> > > >> > HE will return as promised and prophesied many times by others greater
> > > >> > than me.
> > > >>
> > > >> Fakers giving prophesies in support of other fakers is NOT proof of
> > > >> anything.
> > > >
> > > > The LORD's purpose for me here is to inform and not to either prove or
> > > > convince.
> > >
> > > A non-statement that tacitly proves there is is no jesus.
> > >
> > > If there were, there would be some proof of it, and you caould state it.
> >
> > --Proof from GOD--
> >
> > Null hypothesis: There is no LORD Jesus Christ
> >
> > Prediction based on null hypothesis: If there is no LORD Jesus Christ,
> > executions of HIS followers should cause HIS followers to renounce
> > their faith in HIM.
> >
> > Observation: HIS followers have not renounced their faith in HIM even
> > unto death. Case in point: Abdul Rehman, the Afghani placed on death
> > row for accepting Jesus as his LORD and Savior. While about to be
> > executed, he did not beg for his life but for his Bible.
> >
> > Conclusion: Reject the null hypothesis.
> >
> > --End Proof--
>
> threathened by execution,
> only if their ideas were right has not been proven.
Actually, there has not been a single documented instance in human
history of a person demonstrating a willingness to die for someone who
did not exist. On the otherhand, there have been many instances where
people have died for people who did exist.
If you believe otherwise, then the burden is on you to name the person
who has died for a fictional character to support your assertion that
the proof provided above is not logically sound.
Your soul will be in my prayers, dear Peter.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/jjl29
Mark K. Bilbo
> Actually, there has not been a single documented instance in human history
> of a person demonstrating a willingness to die for someone who did not
> exist.
Now *that's funny...
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> In article <1148221062.2...@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>,
> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>
> > --Proof from GOD--
> >
> > Null hypothesis: There is no LORD Jesus Christ
> >
> > Prediction based on null hypothesis: If there is no LORD Jesus Christ,
> > executions of HIS followers should cause HIS followers to renounce
> > their faith in HIM.
> >
> > Observation: HIS followers have not renounced their faith in HIM even
> > unto death. Case in point: Abdul Rehman, the Afghani placed on death
> > row for accepting Jesus as his LORD and Savior. While about to be
> > executed, he did not beg for his life but for his Bible.
> >
> > Conclusion: Reject the null hypothesis.
> >
> > --End Proof--
>
> You can say the same for all religious zealots.
Abdul Rehman by all accounts is not a zealot.
> Look at the faith unto death of hundreds of Muslims over the past decades.
Dying for the Muslim cause (i.e. suicide bomber) does not compare with
the case of Abdul Rehmanm, who was told to renounce Christ or die.
> Does this mean that Allah is therefore as real as Jesus?
Allah, GOD of Abraham, is as real as Jesus.
It is through Christ Jesus that we know GOD of Abraham.
> If not, how does your logic differentiate between them?
See above.
Still praying for soul, dear neighbor.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/jjl29
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Actually, there has not been a single documented instance in human
history of a person demonstrating a willingness to die for someone who
did not exist. On the otherhand, there have been many instances where
people have died for people who did exist.
If you believe otherwise, then the burden is on you to name the person
who has died for a fictional character to support your assertion that
the proof provided was not logically sound.
Your soul will be in my prayers, dear neighbor.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/jjl29
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Sorry my prayers for your soul bothers you so terribly. Please forgive
all my iniquities.
> Over 900 other cultists committed suicide in Jonestown in the late '70's -
> does that prove their cult leader was worthy?
No. However, it does prove that Jim Jones was a real person.
> In Waco, 100? people died in the Branch Davidian incident - did that prove
> their pedophilic cult leader was worthy?
No. However, it does prove that David Koresh was a real person.
> Andrew, this foolish argument shows again how your jesus fantasy has
> degenerated your mental faculties.
You asked for a proof and so you have received one.
So far you have failed to refute the proof.
Atheism is dead.
Cause of death: The truth.
Still praying for your soul, dear Kurt.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/jjl29
JessHC
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> Kurt Gavin wrote:
> > "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
> > >> >
> > >> > HE will return as promised and prophesied many times by others greater
> > >> > than me.
> > >>
> > >> Fakers giving prophesies in support of other fakers is NOT proof of
> > >> anything.
> > >
> > > The LORD's purpose for me here is to inform and not to either prove or
> > > convince.
> >
> > A non-statement that tacitly proves there is is no jesus.
> >
> > If there were, there would be some proof of it, and you caould state it.
>
> --Proof from GOD--
>
> Null hypothesis: There is no LORD Jesus Christ
>
> Prediction based on null hypothesis: If there is no LORD Jesus Christ,
> executions of HIS followers should cause HIS followers to renounce
> their faith in HIM.
Non sequitur. "Followers" belief in fictional character does not
demonstrate unequivocally the existence of said "Christ," merely
demonstrates passion of believer, and possibly gullibility.
> Observation: HIS followers have not renounced their faith in HIM even
> unto death. Case in point: Abdul Rehman, the Afghani placed on death
> row for accepting Jesus as his LORD and Savior. While about to be
> executed, he did not beg for his life but for his Bible.
Irrelevant. Behavior of a believer does not have any bearing on the
existence of the object of belief; it merely demonstrates the passion
of the believer.
> Conclusion: Reject the null hypothesis.
Rejection based on faulty logic. Conclusion rejected.
> --End Proof--
You mean "end series of unsupported assertions based on unwarrented
assumptions."
JessHC
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
> > news:1148221062.2...@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
> > > Kurt Gavin wrote:
> > >> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > HE will return as promised and prophesied many times by others
> > >> >> > greater
> > >> >> > than me.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Fakers giving prophesies in support of other fakers is NOT proof of
> > >> >> anything.
> > >> >
> > >> > The LORD's purpose for me here is to inform and not to either prove or
> > >> > convince.
> > >>
> > >> A non-statement that tacitly proves there is is no jesus.
> > >>
> > >> If there were, there would be some proof of it, and you caould state it.
> > >
> > > --Proof from GOD--
> > >
> > > Null hypothesis: There is no LORD Jesus Christ
> > >
> > > Prediction based on null hypothesis: If there is no LORD Jesus Christ,
> > > executions of HIS followers should cause HIS followers to renounce
> > > their faith in HIM.
> >
> > The hijackers on 911 died for their God.
>
> Actually, they died for their cause rather than for GOD.
Unsupported assertion contradicted by facts.
> The world did not ask them to renounce their faith in GOD upon threat
> of execution if they did not.
Non sequitur. Unsupported assertion.
JessHC
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Fuck off, liar. What bothers everyone is your blatant disregard of
your lord's commands and your transparently sanctimonious rudeness and
disrespect.
Kurt Gavin
>> Ludicrous, absolutely ludicrous.
>
> Sorry my prayers for your soul bothers you so terribly. Please forgive
> all my iniquities.
>
>> Over 900 other cultists committed suicide in Jonestown in the late
>> '70's -
>> does that prove their cult leader was worthy?
>
> No. However, it does prove that Jim Jones was a real person.
And Jones is dead, just like jesus (assuming he even existed).
>> In Waco, 100? people died in the Branch Davidian incident - did that
>> prove
>> their pedophilic cult leader was worthy?
>
> No. However, it does prove that David Koresh was a real person.
And Koresh is dead, just like jesus (assuming he even existed).
>> Andrew, this foolish argument shows again how your jesus fantasy has
>> degenerated your mental faculties.
>
> You asked for a proof and so you have received one.
Andrew, this foolish argument shows again how your jesus fantasy has
degenerated your mental faculties.
> So far you have failed to refute the proof.
You're asserting there is a "god" and a "jesus". Produce them. Prove their
existence and powers.
Can't do it? No god, no jesus.
Why don't you entertain us with some more of your newsgroup version of
speaking in tongues.?
JessHC
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Unsupported assertion.
> On the otherhand, there have been many instances where
> people have died for people who did exist.
Unsupported assertion.
> If you believe otherwise, then the burden is on you to name the person
> who has died for a fictional character to support your assertion that
> the proof provided above is not logically sound.
No, the proof is on the person making the assertion, which would be
you. Of course, you have yet to supported any of your supernatural
assertions.
http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/308/6941/1446
Schmidtke and Hafner have, however, produced more robust evidence by
examining suicide rates after two separate broadcasts of the fictional
portrayal of a young man's suicide on a railway line. An imitation
effect leading to methods specific and absolute increases in the number
of suicides was seen. The imitation effects were greatest in those of
the same age and sex as the fictional character, and the numbers of
suicides closely corresponded with the audience figures for the two
broadcasts. Effects were observed for up to 70 days after the
broadcast; an estimated overall excess of 60 suicides occurred.
http://www.emedicine.com/EMERG/topic129.htm
In addition to depression, alcohol/substance abuse (especially
cocaine), impulsiveness, and certain familial factors are highly
associated with risk for suicide. These factors include a history of
mental problems or substance abuse, suicide in the immediate family,
family violence of any type, and separation or divorce.
Other risk factors include prior suicide attempt(s), presence of a
firearm in the home, incarceration, and exposure to the suicidal
behavior of family members, peers, celebrities, or even highly
publicized fictional characters.
I'm sure you'll either rationalize or ignore.
Kurt Gavin
People have died for "god". That's one.
People have died for "jesus". That's two.
People have died for "allah". That's three.
People have died for "mohamed". That's four.
People have died in the service of various pagan "gods".
Mithraism was a popular religion for soldiers.
Ever hear of thor and valhalla?
Once again chung - your garbage religious fantasies have made you into an
idiot.
raven1
<and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
Congratulations: you've just demonstrated that every religion known to
man is true.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
> news:1148257002.9...@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > Kurt Gavin wrote:
> >> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
>
> >> Ludicrous, absolutely ludicrous.
> >
> > Sorry my prayers for your soul bothers you so terribly. Please forgive
> > all my iniquities.
> >
> >> Over 900 other cultists committed suicide in Jonestown in the late
> >> '70's -
> >> does that prove their cult leader was worthy?
> >
> > No. However, it does prove that Jim Jones was a real person.
>
> And Jones is dead, just like jesus (assuming he even existed).
Actually, at the time Jim Jones' followers committed suicide, their
leader was living.
Because Jim Jones is now dead, the null hypothesis prediction that
there will not be anyone else dying for Jim Jones has been observed.
> >> In Waco, 100? people died in the Branch Davidian incident - did that
> >> prove
> >> their pedophilic cult leader was worthy?
> >
> > No. However, it does prove that David Koresh was a real person.
>
> And Koresh is dead, just like jesus (assuming he even existed).
Actually, at the time David Koresh's followers committed suicide, their
leader was living.
Because David Koresh is now dead, the null hypothesis prediction that
there will not be anyone else dying for David Koresh has been observed.
Therefore, the examples of both Jim Jones and David Koresh serve to
strengthen the provided proof that LORD Jesus Christ lives ! ! !
> >> Andrew, this foolish argument shows again how your jesus fantasy has
> >> degenerated your mental faculties.
> >
> > You asked for a proof and so you have received one.
>
> Andrew, this foolish argument shows again how your jesus fantasy has
> degenerated your mental faculties.
Your inability to refute the provided proof does not bode well for
atheism.
> > So far you have failed to refute the proof.
>
> You're asserting there is a "god" and a "jesus". Produce them. Prove their
> existence and powers.
When you are successful refuting the provided proof is when the LORD
GOD Almighty will see a need to make an appearance just for you.
> Can't do it?
See above.
> No god, no jesus.
Not for the discerning.
> Why don't you entertain us with some more of your newsgroup version of
> speaking in tongues.?
Because I am busy praying for your soul, dear Kurt.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> > who has died for a fictional character to support your assertion that
> > the proof provided was not logically sound.
**emphasis** added.
> People have died for "god". That's one.
Therefore, GOD exists.
> People have died for "jesus". That's two.
Therefore, Jesus exists.
> People have died for "allah". That's three.
Therefore, GOD exists.
> People have died for "mohamed". That's four.
Therefore, Mohammed exists.
> People have died in the service of various pagan "gods".
Not the same as choosing between the option of renouncing the fictional
character and living instead of dying when given the option.
> Mithraism was a popular religion for soldiers.
> Ever hear of thor and valhalla?
Yes. Time proven mythology.
> Once again chung - your garbage religious fantasies have made you into an
> idiot.
See **emphasis** above.
You have been given a logical proof of the existence of LORD Jesus
Christ.
Your inability to refute this proof in a rational manner does not bode
well for atheism.
Still praying for your soul, Kurt.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/jjl29
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
No. Abdul Rehman was not willing to die for a religion but for his
relationship with Christ.
Still praying for your soul, dear neighbor.
raven1
<and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
Your ability to miss the point is truly breathtaking.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Sorry, your opinion does not refute the proof. Please forgive all my
iniquities.
Still praying for your soul, dear neighbor.
raven1
<and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
Your iniquities apparently include a complete ignorance of logic, and
an inability to understand why your "proof" is nonsensical. The
willingness of Christians (or anyone else) to die for their beliefs is
irrelevant to whether or not those beliefs are true.
Michael Gray
<ca...@optonline.net> wrote:
- Refer: <8nc1729a8116uu49e...@4ax.com>
That was before his mental illness overtook his mind.
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Again, your opinion does not refute the proof.
> The
> willingness of Christians (or anyone else) to die for their beliefs is
> irrelevant to whether or not those beliefs are true.
The survival instinct is too great for someone to choose to die for a
fictional person.
And so, the proof stands thanks to the truth.
Your inability to refute the proof does not bode well for atheism.
raven1
<and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
It's not an opinion that you are ignorant of logic; your "proof"
lucidly demonstrates it. I and others have pointed out exactly why
it's rubbish.
>
>> The
>> willingness of Christians (or anyone else) to die for their beliefs is
>> irrelevant to whether or not those beliefs are true.
>
>The survival instinct is too great for someone to choose to die for a
>fictional person.
Are you really this stupid? Let me walk you through it slowly:
Some Christians so fervently believe that Christ is real to the point
that they are willing to die for that belief.
This willingness is irrelevant to whether that belief is correct or
not. In other words, such willingness to die does not demonstrate that
Christ is real, but only that the person dying *believes* that Christ
is real.
And so your "proof" is refuted.
Your inability to grasp such a simple point does not speak well of
your intellect.
JessHC
You haven't offered a proof; you offered an anecdote.
JessHC
Unsupported assertion. The claim that christianity isn't a religion
has been refuted.
JessHC
Non sequitur. Remaing unsupported assertions dismissed.
JessHC
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
Liar.
> > Over 900 other cultists committed suicide in Jonestown in the late '70's -
> > does that prove their cult leader was worthy?
>
> No. However, it does prove that Jim Jones was a real person.
Non sequitur. The claim that suicide is evidence of the existence of
deities, or even cult leaders, has already been refuted.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
If the proof were not logically sound, you should be able to refute it
with simple logic.
Andrew P. Chung MD/Phd
religious beliefs. Are you saying that they are all true? I do not see your
logic at all. People have tried to explain this to you and you ingnore it.
Mankind goes from one silly belief to another. This tells you something
about human nature not the validity of supernatural creatures. Many people
believe in ufo's and that Elvis is still alive. All this proves is that we
are very gullible creatures, nothing else.
Your opinion refutes itself. This is embarrassingly obvious. Your inability
to see this is a tell that your reasoning ability is impaired.
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
news:1148301820.0...@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
JessHC
Again, your claim that you've offered a proof doesn't mean you actually
have.
> > The
> > willingness of Christians (or anyone else) to die for their beliefs is
> > irrelevant to whether or not those beliefs are true.
>
> The survival instinct is too great for someone to choose to die for a
> fictional person.
Unsupported assertion.
> And so, the proof stands thanks to the truth.
Outright lie.
> Your inability to refute the proof does not bode well for atheism.
Lie based on unsupported assertion.
Kurt Gavin
> Kurt Gavin wrote:
>> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
>> news:1148257002.9...@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> > Kurt Gavin wrote:
>> >> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
>>
>> >> Ludicrous, absolutely ludicrous.
>> >
>> > Sorry my prayers for your soul bothers you so terribly. Please forgive
>> > all my iniquities.
>> >
>> >> Over 900 other cultists committed suicide in Jonestown in the late
>> >> '70's -
>> >> does that prove their cult leader was worthy?
>> >
>> > No. However, it does prove that Jim Jones was a real person.
>>
>> And Jones is dead, just like jesus (assuming he even existed).
>
> Actually, at the time Jim Jones' followers committed suicide, their
> leader was living.
In the first place, that's irrelevant to what we're discussing.
But more importantly, you knowing that and bringing it up indicates a
familiarity with the subject that, given your other whacko religious crap,
is disturbing.
> Because Jim Jones is now dead, the null hypothesis prediction that
> there will not be anyone else dying for Jim Jones has been observed.
The NULL is in your mind.
>
>> >> In Waco, 100? people died in the Branch Davidian incident - did that
>> >> prove
>> >> their pedophilic cult leader was worthy?
>> >
>> > No. However, it does prove that David Koresh was a real person.
>>
>> And Koresh is dead, just like jesus (assuming he even existed).
>
> Actually, at the time David Koresh's followers committed suicide, their
> leader was living.
In the first place, that's irrelevant to what we're discussing.
But more importantly, you knowing that and bringing it up indicates a
familiarity with the subject that, given your other whacko religious crap,
is disturbing.
> Because David Koresh is now dead, the null hypothesis prediction that
> there will not be anyone else dying for David Koresh has been observed.
The NULL is in your mind.
> Therefore, the examples of both Jim Jones and David Koresh serve to
> strengthen the provided proof that LORD Jesus Christ lives ! ! !
You really do need mental health intervention.
Professionally, I don;t know how anyone could rely on your reasoning powers.
It's sad.
<snip>
Kurt Gavin
furnishs proof for supernatural beings,,,,, the thing speaks for itself.
raven1
<and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
I did, several times. What part didn't you grasp?
Al
>
> Sorry, your opinion does not refute the proof. Please forgive all my
> iniquities.
<More Chung bullshit.
Al
>
> Christ.
>
> Your inability to refute this proof in a rational manner does not bode
> well for atheism.
This is proof? No, just more Chung bullshit. It never stops.
>
Al
>
> Your inability to refute the proof does not bode well for atheism.
>
, Proof? No, just Chung bullshit.
Al
>
> No. Abdul Rehman was not willing to die for a religion but for his
> relationship with Christ.
>
More Chung bullshit. Getting boring...
Al
>
> Actually, there has not been a single documented instance in human
> history of a person demonstrating a willingness to die for someone who
> did not exist. On the otherhand, there have been many instances where
> people have died for people who did exist.
>
Chung delusionary bullshit. He's whacky.
Al
> Therefore, the examples of both Jim Jones and David Koresh serve to
> strengthen the provided proof that LORD Jesus Christ lives ! ! !
>
Chung, you are very sick. And full of shit. And you have "IDIOT"
emblazened on your forehead and your ass.
Al
>
> Abdul Rehman by all accounts is not a zealot.
>
Right. Just another whacko Jesus freak like you.
Al
>
> If the proof were not logically sound, you should be able to refute it
> with simple logic.
>
Chung delusions. Absolute bullshit.
Al
>
> The LORD's purpose for me here is to inform and not to either prove or
> convince.
>
Who is it you THINK you are informing with your constant annoying
repetitons? Your bullshit is engulfing you.
Al
>
> Prediction based on null hypothesis: If there is no LORD Jesus Christ,
> executions of HIS followers should cause HIS followers to renounce
> their faith in HIM.
Sounds like you are referring to Santa Claus. More Chung bullshit.
Al
>> The hijackers on 911 died for their God.
>
> Actually, they died for their cause rather than for GOD.
>
Is there anything you DON'T claim to know, Mr. Bullshit Artist?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
You've offered your opinion about the messenger several times.
You have yet to refute GOD's proof with logic.
> What part didn't you grasp?
None because there was nothing to grasp.
Without the LORD, all your beliefs and opinions are meaningless
(Ecclesiastes).
raven1
<nos...@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
I pointed out the logical fallacy in your argument several times: that
people's willingness to die for their beliefs says nothing about the
truth or falsity of those beliefs. What part of that don't you
understand?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
For GOD's proof, the logically valid null hypothesis prediction that
there would be noone willing to die for a relationship with a fictional
character has been borne out by the historical lack of precedence to
the contrary.
Indeed, every example so far offered to counter the observation that
Abdul Rehman was willing to give up his life rather than give up his
relationship with LORD Jesus Christ has only strengthened the validity
of this observation being applied toward rejecting the null hypothesis
that LORD Jesus Christ does not exist.
> What part of that don't you understand?
Would redirect... so what part of the above do you not understand?
Still praying for your soul in the interim, dear neighbor.
raven1
<nos...@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
Are you illiterate? Seriously. You seem unable to parse a simple
sentence for content.
Again, and read this slowly:
The fact that anyone is willing to die for Christ says nothing about
whether or not Christ is real, it only indicates that some people
*believe* that Christ is real.
>Indeed, every example so far offered to counter the observation that
>Abdul Rehman was willing to give up his life rather than give up his
>relationship with LORD Jesus Christ has only strengthened the validity
>of this observation being applied toward rejecting the null hypothesis
>that LORD Jesus Christ does not exist.
Abdul Rehman being willing to sacrifice his life for Christ indicates
that Abdul Rehman believes that Christ is real. It says nothing about
whether or not that belief is true.
>
>> What part of that don't you understand?
>
>Would redirect... so what part of the above do you not understand?
I understand perfectly what you're saying. I've also pointed out a
number of times exactly why it's wrong.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
No.
> Seriously.
You mean untruthfully.
> You seem unable to parse a simple sentence for content.
Actually, simple sentences do not need parsing.
> Again, and read this slowly:
>
> The fact that anyone is willing to die for Christ says nothing about
> whether or not Christ is real, it only indicates that some people
> *believe* that Christ is real.
Actually, it indicates that Christ is more than just real but that HE
is a living part of their lives.
"I am the way, the truth, and the life..." -- LORD Jesus Christ.
> >Indeed, every example so far offered to counter the observation that
> >Abdul Rehman was willing to give up his life rather than give up his
> >relationship with LORD Jesus Christ has only strengthened the validity
> >of this observation being applied toward rejecting the null hypothesis
> >that LORD Jesus Christ does not exist.
>
> Abdul Rehman being willing to sacrifice his life for Christ indicates
> that Abdul Rehman believes that Christ is real. It says nothing about
> whether or not that belief is true.
It is compelling evidence to reject the null hypothesis that Christ
does not exist and to conclude that indeed Christ does exist and lives
! ! !
> >
> >> What part of that don't you understand?
> >
> >Would redirect... so what part of the above do you not understand?
>
> I understand perfectly what you're saying. I've also pointed out a
> number of times exactly why it's wrong.
The only way to refute GOD's proof of Jesus' existence is to name one
non-suicidal person who has, upon the threat of death, chosen death
over renouncing a relationship with a fictional person. Until then,
the null hypothesis prediction remains logically valid based on the
historical data that support the assertion that non-suicidal people are
just not going to give up their lives for people who either no longer
exist or who never existed. The instinct for survival
(self-preservation) is simply too strong to overcome without the aid of
the truth.
Still praying for your soul, dear neighbor.
napolius
"more importantly" twice in less than 7 lines of text. It proves what
is well known about criticisms :
they usually resemble the person making the criticism rather than the
person being criticized.
> Professionally, I don;t know how anyone could rely on your reasoning
powers.
This resembles poor Kurt, alas !
> It's sad.
indeed ;-)
> <snip>
>
>
raven1
<and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>> Abdul Rehman being willing to sacrifice his life for Christ indicates
>> that Abdul Rehman believes that Christ is real. It says nothing about
>> whether or not that belief is true.
>
>It is compelling evidence to reject the null hypothesis that Christ
>does not exist and to conclude that indeed Christ does exist and lives
>! ! !
It is compelling evidence that *Abdul Rehman believes* that indeed
Christ does exist and lives. It says absolutely nothing about whether
his belief is true.
>
>> >
>> >> What part of that don't you understand?
>> >
>> >Would redirect... so what part of the above do you not understand?
>>
>> I understand perfectly what you're saying. I've also pointed out a
>> number of times exactly why it's wrong.
>
>The only way to refute GOD's proof of Jesus' existence is to name one
>non-suicidal person who has, upon the threat of death, chosen death
>over renouncing a relationship with a fictional person.
You keep missing the point: these people who are willing to sacrifice
their lives are willing to do so because they ***believe*** that Jesus
is real. This says absolutely nothing about whether their belief is
correct or not.
> Until then,
>the null hypothesis prediction remains logically valid based on the
>historical data that support the assertion that non-suicidal people are
>just not going to give up their lives for people who either no longer
>exist or who never existed.
No. Again, these people are willing to give up their lives because
they *believe* that Jesus is real. This says nothing about whether or
not such a belief is true.
> The instinct for survival
>(self-preservation) is simply too strong to overcome without the aid of
>the truth.
What one believes to be true and what is true are often radically at
odds.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> On 22 May 2006 23:39:39 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> <and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>
> >> Abdul Rehman being willing to sacrifice his life for Christ indicates
> >> that Abdul Rehman believes that Christ is real. It says nothing about
> >> whether or not that belief is true.
> >
> >It is compelling evidence to reject the null hypothesis that Christ
> >does not exist and to conclude that indeed Christ does exist and lives
> >! ! !
>
> It is compelling evidence that *Abdul Rehman believes* that indeed
> Christ does exist and lives. It says absolutely nothing about whether
> his belief is true.
See below.
> >> >> What part of that don't you understand?
> >> >
> >> >Would redirect... so what part of the above do you not understand?
> >>
> >> I understand perfectly what you're saying. I've also pointed out a
> >> number of times exactly why it's wrong.
> >
> >The only way to refute GOD's proof of Jesus' existence is to name one
> >non-suicidal person who has, upon the threat of death, chosen death
> >over renouncing a relationship with a fictional person.
>
> You keep missing the point: these people who are willing to sacrifice
> their lives are willing to do so because they ***believe*** that Jesus
> is real. This says absolutely nothing about whether their belief is
> correct or not.
And so you punt.
> > Until then,
> >the null hypothesis prediction remains logically valid based on the
> >historical data that support the assertion that non-suicidal people are
> >just not going to give up their lives for people who either no longer
> >exist or who never existed.
>
> No. Again, these people are willing to give up their lives because
> they *believe* that Jesus is real. This says nothing about whether or
> not such a belief is true.
The logical validity of the proof stands. If you wish to know the
truth, you will not through logic but only through a discerning heart
that can only come from GOD. Folks with discerning hearts are masters
of logic because they know the truth.
> > The instinct for survival
> >(self-preservation) is simply too strong to overcome without the aid of
> >the truth.
>
> What one believes to be true and what is true are often radically at
> odds.
Not for the discerning.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
> news:1148221062.2...@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
> > Kurt Gavin wrote:
> >> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >
> >> >> > HE will return as promised and prophesied many times by others
> >> >> > greater
> >> >> > than me.
> >> >>
>
> 13 thru 18. Pay particular attention to Paul's 'prophecy' where he implies
> that he, and at least the *majority* of his listeners who haven't *yet*
> 'fallen asleep (i.e, already died) will, nevertheless, meet with those
> unfortunates somewhere in the 'clouds', and together, will 'meet wth Lord in
> the air'.
Perhaps your interpretation would be tenable if one ignored what
immediately followed:
"Now, brothers, about times and dates we do not need to write to you,
for you know very well that the day of the LORD will come like a thief
in the night. While people are saying, 'Peace and safety,' destruction
will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and
they will not escape." (1 Thessalonians 5:1-3)
Because Paul never had "Peace and safety" in this world with the
continuous imprisonments and threats of execution for his close walk
with Christ, it becomes untenable that he would have believed the end
of the end times would come in his lifetime.
Today, in 2006, Abdul Rehman received "peace and safety" from the world
despite the initial death threat for his close walk with Christ. The
world today feels pregnant (looming nuclear holocaust in Iran, looming
unseen comet fragments enroute to poison the oceans, looming H5N1 Avian
Flu Pandemic with the potential of killing more than 90% of infected,
etc).
I am ready for the "labor pains" to start.
Are you ? ? ?
Will be praying for your soul, dear neighbor.
Kurt Gavin
"napolius" <heli...@tata.net> wrote in message
news:4472c5ad$0$20163$8fcf...@news.wanadoo.fr...
> Kurt Gavin wrote:
>
> "more importantly" twice in less than 7 lines of text. It proves what
> is well known about criticisms :
You see, moron, I repeated the criticism to apply to two of his assertions.
<snip more stupiditiy>
Kurt Gavin
there much appreciation for the way it damages intellectual ability and
mental stability.
Simplewalk
logical basis for proving anything is ridiculous.
People of great faith have denied Christ in times of torture -- An act
they can be forgiven for if they repent.
People of great faith have doubted the existance of God when faced with
death.
To use a situation few, if any, 21st century Americans will face as any
type of proof that God exists does nothing to further a dialogue.
Those who all called by the Holy Spirit respond - yes or no.
Once we accept of salvation we are God's and no force can take us from
Him.
Our job as Christians is to worship God by living lives that show why
we have chosen to accept Christ
We are to have a ready answer to questions from those who have said no
or have not decided when they ask.
We are not called to declare who is or is not saved.
We are not called to challenge a person's declaration of faith unless
we are in a position to ask them to be a leader in the church or are
considering a marriage with that person.
We are not called to insult anyone.
God does not need clever logic game to convict those HE calls.
If I were not a Christian and thought Christ had anything to do with
guiding your thoughts, words and actions I would stay as far from
whatever is guiding you as I could.
Do not challenge my faith -- you have no knowlege of my personal walk
and realtionship with God.
I will be praying for you and those you have hurt.
Robibnikoff
"Simplewalk" <simpl...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1148400571.8...@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
> To pretend that the actions of a person facing death can serve as a
> logical basis for proving anything is ridiculous.
Mind your crossposting.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist Bastard Extraordinaire
#1557
Em
"Simplewalk" <simpl...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1148400571.8...@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
Em
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> To pretend that the actions of a person facing death can serve as a
> logical basis for proving anything is ridiculous.
The logic of the proof stands on its own merit.
The observations that have been made also stand on their own merit.
The conclusion made in the proof logically follows from the
observations being different from what is predicted if the null
hypothesis were true.
> People of great faith have denied Christ in times of torture --
The observation made is not one of torture.
> An act they can be forgiven for if they repent.
Salvation comes from faith in LORD Jesus Christ and is neither lost nor
gained through acts.
> People of great faith have doubted the existance of God when faced with
> death.
Actually, it is when faced with death that persons with any faith
typically turn to GOD for HIS infinite mercy and grace.
> To use a situation few, if any, 21st century Americans will face as any
> type of proof that God exists does nothing to further a dialogue.
It seems you have difficulty comprehending the inherent logic of the
proof that has been given. Sorry about your difficulties. Please
forgive all my iniquities.
> Those who all called by the Holy Spirit respond - yes or no.
Correct.
> Once we accept of salvation we are God's and no force can take us from
> Him.
Correct.
> Our job as Christians is to worship God by living lives that show why
> we have chosen to accept Christ.
You remind me of the servant that buried his single mina (coin) because
he had judged his master to be mean and hardhearted.
> We are to have a ready answer to questions from those who have said no
> or have not decided when they ask.
Actually, those who are filled with the Holy Spirit are guided by HIM
in everything they say, do and write.
> We are not called to declare who is or is not saved.
Correct. A person could be saved at the last moment as were"Doubting"
Thomas and one of the thieves who was crucified beside LORD Jesus
Christ.
> We are not called to challenge a person's declaration of faith unless
> we are in a position to ask them to be a leader in the church or are
> considering a marriage with that person.
Correct. The weeds will be separated from the wheat at the appointed
time when the LORD will judge all.
> We are not called to insult anyone.
Correct. Name-calling is a tell for those who have satan's mark
emblazoned across their foreheads.
> God does not need clever logic game to convict those HE calls.
Correct. An atheist asked a born-again Christian for any proof that
LORD Jesus Christ exists. The Holy Spirit has provided such a proof
through a willing vessel.
> If I were not a Christian and thought Christ had anything to do with
> guiding your thoughts, words and actions I would stay as far from
> whatever is guiding you as I could.
It would be my choice to refrain from judging you (Matthew 7).
> Do not challenge my faith -- you have no knowlege of my personal walk
> and realtionship with God.
By whose authority do you issue your command to not be tested ?
It is written in the Bible that we are not to test GOD while there a
numerous examples of GOD testing the faith of HIS people through others
(Job for example).
> I will be praying for you and those you have hurt.
Many thanks to GOD for your prayers on my behalf and on the behalf of
those who have been hurt by the truth.
Will be praying for your soul, dear neighbor.
JessHC
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > To pretend that the actions of a person facing death can serve as a
> > logical basis for proving anything is ridiculous.
>
> The logic of the proof stands on its own merit.
It has no merit.
> The observations that have been made also stand on their own merit.
No, they haven't, liar.
> The conclusion made in the proof logically follows from the
> observations being different from what is predicted if the null
> hypothesis were true.
Why do you think lying about this is going to convince anyone?
<snip remainging illogical twaddle>
JessHC
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
You're supposed to be in a closet right about now, rude liar.
JessHC
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
No. He points out the fatal flaw in your logic.
> > > Until then,
> > >the null hypothesis prediction remains logically valid based on the
> > >historical data that support the assertion that non-suicidal people are
> > >just not going to give up their lives for people who either no longer
> > >exist or who never existed.
> >
> > No. Again, these people are willing to give up their lives because
> > they *believe* that Jesus is real. This says nothing about whether or
> > not such a belief is true.
>
> The logical validity of the proof stands.
No, it doesn't. Belief doesn't equal evidence.
> If you wish to know the
> truth, you will not through logic but only through a discerning heart
> that can only come from GOD. Folks with discerning hearts are masters
> of logic because they know the truth.
That's funny. Logical people can't understand logic; only illogical
ones.
> > > The instinct for survival
> > >(self-preservation) is simply too strong to overcome without the aid of
> > >the truth.
> >
> > What one believes to be true and what is true are often radically at
> > odds.
>
> Not for the discerning.
If by "discerning" you mean "deliberately blind, ignorant, and
gullible."
JessHC
Just dishonest, then.
> > Seriously.
>
> You mean untruthfully.
Non sequitur.
> > You seem unable to parse a simple sentence for content.
>
> Actually, simple sentences do not need parsing.
Then why do you have such problems?
> > Again, and read this slowly:
> >
> > The fact that anyone is willing to die for Christ says nothing about
> > whether or not Christ is real, it only indicates that some people
> > *believe* that Christ is real.
>
> Actually, it indicates that Christ is more than just real but that HE
> is a living part of their lives.
It does no such thing, and your lying about it only hurts you.
> "I am the way, the truth, and the life..." -- LORD Jesus Christ.
Please provide objective, verifiable evidence this "LORD" person ever
existed.
> > >Indeed, every example so far offered to counter the observation that
> > >Abdul Rehman was willing to give up his life rather than give up his
> > >relationship with LORD Jesus Christ has only strengthened the validity
> > >of this observation being applied toward rejecting the null hypothesis
> > >that LORD Jesus Christ does not exist.
> >
> > Abdul Rehman being willing to sacrifice his life for Christ indicates
> > that Abdul Rehman believes that Christ is real. It says nothing about
> > whether or not that belief is true.
>
> It is compelling evidence to reject the null hypothesis that Christ
> does not exist and to conclude that indeed Christ does exist and lives
> ! ! !
No, it still isn't. Lying about it doesn't make it true.
> > >> What part of that don't you understand?
> > >
> > >Would redirect... so what part of the above do you not understand?
> >
> > I understand perfectly what you're saying. I've also pointed out a
> > number of times exactly why it's wrong.
>
> The only way to refute GOD's proof of Jesus' existence is to name one
> non-suicidal person who has, upon the threat of death, chosen death
> over renouncing a relationship with a fictional person.
Non sequitur. I like how you moved the goalposts, though.
> Until then,
> the null hypothesis prediction remains logically valid based on the
> historical data that support the assertion that non-suicidal people are
> just not going to give up their lives for people who either no longer
> exist or who never existed.
I've refuted that claim. You have offered no evidence AT ALL for any
of your assertions; you've offered no statistics, for example,
regarding the suicidal tendencies of any of the people who've "given up
their lives" for any deity. How do you know the people who "give up
their lives" aren't suicidal? And you've offered no logical reason for
how that might support the existence of a given deity; you've merely
repeatedly asserted it, even in the face of being corrected by
virtually everyone reading this thread.
The null hypothesis is "There is no god." Somebody dying has no
relevance to the validity of the claim that a deity exists.
> The instinct for survival
> (self-preservation) is simply too strong to overcome without the aid of
> the truth.
You have yet to provide any objective, verifiable evidence for that
claim. Therefore, your assertions are dismissed.
JessHC
Repeatedly claiming such doesn't make it true, and evidence has been
presented which indicates it is false. You therefore are knowingly
lying again.
JessHC
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
More baldfaced lies from Andy. One wonders what he thinks he's
accomplishing.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Sorry my choice to be openly Christian continues to bother you so
terribly. Please forgive all my iniquities.
Still praying for your soul, dear Jessie.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/jjl29
raven1
<and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
And so your argument is refuted, you mean.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
No.
You have not refuted the proof. This does not bode well for atheism.
raven1
<nos...@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
Indeed I have. That you apparently can't grasp the very simple reason
(explained to you several times) that your argument falls flat on its
face at the starting gate does not speak well of your intellect or
your honesty, I can't be bothered to determine which.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
What you believe is not true.
> That you apparently can't grasp the very simple reason
> (explained to you several times) that your argument falls flat on its
> face at the starting gate does not speak well of your intellect or
> your honesty, I can't be bothered to determine which.
The proof stands.
There is only one way to refute the proof (see above).
Neither your arguments nor your opinions refute the proof.
Michael Gray
<quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:
- Refer: <ouq572d701lmeieg6...@4ax.com>
>On 22 May 2006 23:39:39 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
><and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>
>>> Abdul Rehman being willing to sacrifice his life for Christ indicates
>>> that Abdul Rehman believes that Christ is real. It says nothing about
>>> whether or not that belief is true.
>>
>>It is compelling evidence to reject the null hypothesis that Christ
>>does not exist and to conclude that indeed Christ does exist and lives
>>! ! !
>
>It is compelling evidence that *Abdul Rehman believes* that indeed
>Christ does exist and lives. It says absolutely nothing about whether
>his belief is true.
>
>>
>>> >
>>> >> What part of that don't you understand?
>>> >
>>> >Would redirect... so what part of the above do you not understand?
>>>
>>> I understand perfectly what you're saying. I've also pointed out a
>>> number of times exactly why it's wrong.
>>
>>The only way to refute GOD's proof of Jesus' existence is to name one
>>non-suicidal person who has, upon the threat of death, chosen death
>>over renouncing a relationship with a fictional person.
>
>You keep missing the point: these people who are willing to sacrifice
>their lives are willing to do so because they ***believe*** that Jesus
>is real. This says absolutely nothing about whether their belief is
>correct or not.
Chungks does not "miss the point".
He sees it quite plainly, but chooses not to address it truthfully, as
it might damage his insane beliefs.
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Correct.
Still praying for your soul, dear Michael.
raven1
<and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >You have not refuted the proof.
>>
>> Indeed I have.
>
>What you believe is not true.
You obviously have no sense of irony.
>
>> That you apparently can't grasp the very simple reason
>> (explained to you several times) that your argument falls flat on its
>> face at the starting gate does not speak well of your intellect or
>> your honesty, I can't be bothered to determine which.
>
>The proof stands.
>
>There is only one way to refute the proof (see above).
>
>Neither your arguments nor your opinions refute the proof.
It is a fact, not an opinion, that willingness to die for a belief is
irrelevant to the truth or falsity of that belief, which does, in
fact, refute your argument. Game, set, and match