The real cure for T2DM - lose the VAT.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 19:14:42 GMT, "Gantlet"
> <T...@TomsDiabeticDiary.com> wrote:
> > from what i have seen in this group many on low carb also
> >end up on medications.
>
> So far, I'm off all medications except my thyroid ones, have lost
> 23Kg
Losing 23 kg of visceral adipose tissue (VAT) is the key:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/565dcf43b835714d?
> , and regained my health on a diet that's lower in carbs than
> Atkins says I should be on. Tonight I won a karate bout against my
> 15yo daughter :D
Congrats :-)
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> Nicky.
> T2 DX 05/2004
> A1c 5.5% BMI 25 D&E
> 100ug Thyroxine
Kumar
Naturally or in other species living naturally, whether loss of
hunger/appetite, resting, avoiding lighted places, lonely, depressions,
suicidal tendancies, aversions etc. are common, when sick?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > Nicky wrote:
> > > "Gantlet" <T...@TomsDiabeticDiary.com> wrote:
>
> > > > from what i have seen in this group many on low carb also
> > > >end up on medications.
> > >
> > > So far, I'm off all medications except my thyroid ones, have lost
> > > 23Kg
> >
> > Losing 23 kg of visceral adipose tissue (VAT) is the key:
> >
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/565dcf43b835714d?
> >
> > > , and regained my health on a diet that's lower in carbs than
> > > Atkins says I should be on. Tonight I won a karate bout against my
> > > 15yo daughter :D
> >
> > Congrats :-)
>
> hunger/appetite, resting, avoiding lighted places, lonely, depressions,
> suicidal tendancies, aversions etc. are common, when sick?
Creatures that are dying lose their appetite.
"Hunger is good."
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trut...@truthplace.com
symptoms only. That the poster should even offer this opinion
illustrates:
He is not keeping up with scientific literature on the topic, he
distorts science in pursuit of non-scientific goals, He ignores
willfully research provided him to the contrary, he provides all the
reasonable grounds to ignore his advice because the truth is not in him.
Art Deco
Kumar
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
instabilities-- excesses and accumulations?
spam...@spam.heaven
wrote:
>Yes but temporary fasting and aversions to routines may correct
>instabilities-- excesses and accumulations?
Can you give us a few examples of these "instabilities, excesses, and
accumulations"? jack
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
For most folks, fasting results in loss of hunger from the
hyperketonemia.
When there is no hunger, there is less perfusion of the visceral
adipose tissue (VAT), which is essentially highly vascular endocrine
tissue that makes harmful inflammatory cytokine. More perfusion is
necessary for extraction of lipid stores in the VAT to eventually
effect their apoptosis.
spam...@spam.heaven
<ach...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
>When there is no hunger, there is less perfusion of the visceral
>adipose tissue (VAT), which is essentially highly vascular endocrine
>tissue that makes harmful inflammatory cytokine. More perfusion is
>necessary for extraction of lipid stores in the VAT to eventually
>effect their apoptosis.
Apoptosis of what, Andrew? And is there evidence of this different
rate of visceral adipose perfusion? They used to think that adipose
tissue was just a static store of fat molecules. But apparently it is
a highly mobile and active tissue constantly in flux depositing and
liberating fat molecules. What is it that changes this perfusion rate
and what is the mechanism? jack
Kumar
"Medical fasting
People can also fast for medical reasons, which has been an accepted
practice for many years. One reason is to prepare for surgery or other
procedures that require anesthetic. Because the presence of food in a
person's system can cause complications when they are anesthetized,
medical personnel strongly suggest that their patients fast for several
hours before the procedure.
Another reason for medical fasting is for certain medical tests. People
are often asked to fast so that a baseline can be established.
A longer fast for health reasons typically lasts a week or longer and
includes some food intake, such as fruit or vegetable juices, as part
of a detox diet.
Some doctors believe that pure water fasting can not only detoxify
cells and rejuvenate organs, but can actually cure such diseases and
conditions as cardiovascular disease, rheumatoid arthritis, asthma,
high blood pressure, type 2 diabetes, colitis, psoriasis, lupis and
some other autoimmune disorders when combined with a healthy diet. They
believe that "Fasting is Nature's Restorer."[2]
Recent studies on mice show that fasting every other day while eating
double the normal amount of food on non-fasting days led to better
insulin control, neuronal resistance to injury, and health indicators
similar to mice on calorie restricted diets.[3][4] This may mean that
alternate-day fasting is an alternative to caloric restriction for life
extension. However, this result may not apply to human physiology.
People who feel they are near the end of their life sometimes
consciously refuse food and/or water. The term in the medical
literature is patient refusal of nutrition and hydration. Contrary to
popular impressions, published studies[5] indicate that "within the
context of adequate palliative care, the refusal of food and fluids
does not contribute to suffering among the terminally ill", and might
actually contribute to a comfortable passage from life: "At least for
some persons, starvation does correlate with reported euphoria."
In natural medicine, fasting is seen as a way of cleansing the body of
toxins, dead or diseased tissues, and giving the gastro-intestinal
system a rest. Such fasts are either water-only, or consist of fruit
and vegetable juices. Some results have been achieved while including
fasting in the treatment of some kinds of cancer,[6] autoimmune
diseases,[7]and allergies.[8]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fasting "
There can be mutiple balancing. Simple logic can be that excessive
quantity may shake or impair normal physiology, whereas normal or bit
lower may balance or encourage physilogical activities.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> >When there is no hunger, there is less perfusion of the visceral
> >adipose tissue (VAT), which is essentially highly vascular endocrine
> >tissue that makes harmful inflammatory cytokine. More perfusion is
> >necessary for extraction of lipid stores in the VAT to eventually
> >effect their apoptosis.
>
> Apoptosis of what, Andrew?
Visceral adipocytes.
> And is there evidence of this different rate of visceral adipose perfusion?
Yes.
> They used to think that adipose
> tissue was just a static store of fat molecules. But apparently it is
> a highly mobile and active tissue constantly in flux depositing and
> liberating fat molecules. What is it that changes this perfusion rate
> and what is the mechanism?
The mechanism is neuroendocrine. You may it observe it firsthand by
someone describing your favorite food to you and then noting that your
stomach and the rest of your gut has started to growl in anticipation
(increased hunger).
trut...@truthplace.com
>> >When there is no hunger, there is less perfusion of the visceral
>> >adipose tissue (VAT), which is essentially highly vascular endocrine
>> >tissue that makes harmful inflammatory cytokine. More perfusion is
>> >necessary for extraction of lipid stores in the VAT to eventually
>> >effect their apoptosis.
Not clinically seen. Exercise can also differentially reduce vat as
demonstrated in multiple studies, totally unrelated to hunger in any
case as a causal effect.
>> liberating fat molecules. What is it that changes this perfusion rate
>> and what is the mechanism?
>The mechanism is neuroendocrine. You may it observe it firsthand by
>someone describing your favorite food to you and then noting that your
>stomach and the rest of your gut has started to growl in anticipation
>(increased hunger).
Not clinically seen, cephalic phase has no effect on vat activity.
The poster is not current on related scientific literature, distorts
science in pursuit of non-scientific goals, ignores research contrary to
his opinion when presented, can be safely ignored and confirms
repeatably that the truth is not in him.
spam...@spam.heaven
>The poster is not current on related scientific literature, distorts
>science in pursuit of non-scientific goals, ignores research contrary to
>his opinion when presented, can be safely ignored and confirms
>repeatably that the truth is not in him.
Thanks for that.
It did seem strange,
but then I'm no expert.
jack
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> unnamed demon wrote:
>
> >The poster is not current on related scientific literature, distorts
> >science in pursuit of non-scientific goals, ignores research contrary to
> >his opinion when presented, can be safely ignored and confirms
> >repeatably that the truth is not in him.
It remains my choice to continue writing truthfully.
> Thanks for that.
> It did seem strange,
> but then I'm no expert.
Nor is the demon. Its master (satan) is an expert on lying, however.
May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing our
diabetes, depression, anxiety or panic so that we can love our
neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ, Who is the truth, a lot
more, dear neighbor Jack whom I love unconditionally.
spam...@spam.heaven
wrote:
>spam...@spam.heaven wrote:
>> On 12 Jan 2007 18:11:25 -0800, "Kumar" <lordsh...@rediffmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Yes but temporary fasting and aversions to routines may correct
>> >instabilities-- excesses and accumulations?
>>
>> Can you give us a few examples of these "instabilities, excesses, and
>> accumulations"? jack
>
>"Medical fasting
>People can also fast for medical reasons, which has been an accepted
>practice for many years. One reason is to prepare for surgery or other
>procedures that require anesthetic. Because the presence of food in a
>person's system can cause complications when they are anesthetized,
>medical personnel strongly suggest that their patients fast for several
>hours before the procedure.
To clear the gut of food so that vomiting and choking do not occur.
>Another reason for medical fasting is for certain medical tests. People
>are often asked to fast so that a baseline can be established.
No "instabilities, excesses, and accumulations" here.
>A longer fast for health reasons typically lasts a week or longer and
>includes some food intake, such as fruit or vegetable juices, as part
>of a detox diet.
Detox what? What toxins are being removed?
>Some doctors believe that pure water fasting can not only detoxify
>cells and rejuvenate organs, but can actually cure such diseases and
>conditions as cardiovascular disease, rheumatoid arthritis, asthma,
>high blood pressure, type 2 diabetes, colitis, psoriasis, lupis and
>some other autoimmune disorders when combined with a healthy diet. They
>believe that "Fasting is Nature's Restorer."[2]
Some doctors believe in all sorts of nonsense. Evidence is really what
we should go on
>Recent studies on mice show that fasting every other day while eating
>double the normal amount of food on non-fasting days led to better
>insulin control, neuronal resistance to injury, and health indicators
>similar to mice on calorie restricted diets.[3][4] This may mean that
>alternate-day fasting is an alternative to caloric restriction for life
>extension. However, this result may not apply to human physiology.
No "instabilities, excesses, and accumulations" here either.
>People who feel they are near the end of their life sometimes
>consciously refuse food and/or water. The term in the medical
>literature is patient refusal of nutrition and hydration. Contrary to
>popular impressions, published studies[5] indicate that "within the
>context of adequate palliative care, the refusal of food and fluids
>does not contribute to suffering among the terminally ill", and might
>actually contribute to a comfortable passage from life: "At least for
>some persons, starvation does correlate with reported euphoria."
No "instabilities, excesses, and accumulations" here either.
>In natural medicine,
What is this? The opposite of unnatural medicine?
>fasting is seen as a way of cleansing the body of
>toxins, dead or diseased tissues,
What toxins? Dead or diseased tissue from the gut is best managed by
the passage of healthy food.
>and giving the gastro-intestinal
>system a rest.
Next you can give the heart a rest :=)
Sorry, but the gut does not need to rest.
>Such fasts are either water-only, or consist of fruit
>and vegetable juices. Some results have been achieved while including
>fasting in the treatment of some kinds of cancer,[6] autoimmune
>diseases,[7]and allergies.[8]
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fasting "
But where are the "instabilities, excesses, and accumulations" ?
>There can be mutiple balancing. Simple logic can be that excessive
>quantity may shake or impair normal physiology, whereas normal or bit
>lower may balance or encourage physilogical activities.
Huh? This sounds like vague gobbledegook. Can you be specific?
Balancing what? Sure, going from overeating to normal eating is a good
thing. Overeating is causing the western worlds greatest health
crisis. And when the third world is starving.
jack
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> convicted neighbor "Kumar" <lordsh...@rediffmail.com> wrote:
> >neighbor Jack (spam...@spam.heaven) wrote:
The problem is that people in industrialized nations have been
brainwashed to falsely believe that "hunger is bad."
This false belief makes hunger intolerable so that folks are compelled
to overeat themselves into being ill:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/565dcf43b835714d
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> >science in pursuit of non-scientific goals, ignores research contrary
to
> >his opinion when presented, can be safely ignored and confirms
> >repeatably that the truth is not in him.
"It remains my choice to continue writing truthfully."
Choice is always given, following through is another matter, giving way
to protecting a paper face distorts truth in all cases. I have the
research, and have posted same to you in past to confirm my points your
face does not allow you to consider.
Sin leads you to speak untruthfully of he who presents the truth you
would want hidden:
"Nor is the demon. Its master (satan) is an expert on lying, however."
Which is where simple childish paper face saving gives way to pure
falsehood. Such is the sign of a convicted heart.
A neck stiff with pride can not turn toward God.
If we confess our sins He is quick to forgive them.
May God bless and protect you and give you peace all the days of your
life.
spam...@spam.heaven
<ach...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
>The problem is that people in industrialized nations have been
>brainwashed to falsely believe that "hunger is bad."
>
>This false belief makes hunger intolerable so that folks are compelled
>to overeat themselves into being ill:
Well I beg to differ, slightly.
Hunger is unpleasant (it's part of the way we are forced to eat) so
when we can oversatisfy it in 5 minutes or less at the fridge or fast
food outlet, we do just that. I know of many folk like me who regard a
little hunger as a very small price to pay for increased enjoyment of
the next meal. Then there is appetite....
jack
Kumar
How going from overeating to normal eating is a good
thing? How overeating is causing the western worlds greatest health
crisis?
Kumar
continued...
"Homeostasis in the human body
All sorts of factors affect the suitability of the human body fluids to
sustain life; these include properties like temperature, salinity, and
acidity, and the concentrations of nutrients such as glucose, various
ions, oxygen, and wastes, such as carbon dioxide and urea. Since these
properties affect the chemical reactions that keep bodies alive, there
are built-in physiological mechanisms to maintain them at desirable
levels.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeostasis
Look for substances which can be stored/accumulated esp.
extravascularily(fats, iron, bone contents etc.) and which can be
unstable(congestions, local long term blood flow changes etc.).
Many alt. energy based systems may be manipulating such unstabilities
and accumulations and fasting may mean lowering somewhat;
"Hormesis is the term for generally-favorable biological responses to
low exposures to toxins and other stressors. A pollutant or toxin
showing hormesis thus has the opposite effect in small doses than in
large doses.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hormesis "
spam...@spam.heaven
wrote:
>How going from overeating to normal eating is a good
>thing?
Because we won't become obese and suffer all the health problems that
accrue from this.
>How overeating is causing the western worlds greatest health
>crisis?
Obesity. jack
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
A JOKE :
For those of you who watch what you eat, here's the final word on
nutrition and health. It's a relief to know the truth after all those
conflicting nutritional studies.
1. The Japanese eat very little fat and suffer fewer heart attacks
than Americans, Australians and Brits.
2. The Mexicans eat a lot of fat and suffer fewer heart attacks than
Americans, Australians and Brits.
3. The Chinese drink very little red wine and suffer fewer heart
attacks than Americans, Australians and Brits.
4. The Italians drink a lot of red wine and suffer fewer heart
attacks than Americans, Australians and Brits.
5. The Germans drink a lot of beer and eat lots of sausages and fats
and suffer fewer heart attacks than Americans, Australians and
Brits.
CONCLUSION
Eat and drink what you like. Speaking English is apparently what kills
you.
Kumar
Means, nothing commonly said/evalued is not consistent? Therefore I dig
so much. Pls also read next continution to last post. Fasting may be
promoting somewhat hormesis type effect.
spam...@spam.heaven
wrote:
>Fasting may be
>promoting somewhat hormesis type effect.
How? What toxin is being administered at low levels during fasting
that is being administered at high toxic levels during non-fasting?
Oh, and was NOT administered previously?
jack
Kumar
Instable ones and accumulated ones can also be thoght as toxic.
Substance may not be toxic but its quantity can be toxic.
spam...@spam.heaven
wrote:
Can you name an example? I don't know what you are referring to.
What toxic substances accumulate ?
jack
Kumar
spam...@spam.heaven wrote:
> On 15 Jan 2007 22:01:10 -0800, "Kumar" <lordsh...@rediffmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >spam...@spam.heaven wrote:
> >> On 15 Jan 2007 19:38:31 -0800, "Kumar" <lordsh...@rediffmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Fasting may be
> >> >promoting somewhat hormesis type effect.
> >>
> >> How? What toxin is being administered at low levels during fasting
> >> that is being administered at high toxic levels during non-fasting?
> >> Oh, and was NOT administered previously?
> >>
> >> jack
> >
> >Instable ones and accumulated ones can also be thoght as toxic.
> >Substance may not be toxic but its quantity can be toxic.
>
> Can you name an example? I don't know what you are referring to.
> What toxic substances accumulate ?
>
> jack
Excess of anything, overall or more at one part and defficient at other
part. Ironoverload, fats, heavy metals etc.
spam...@spam.heaven
wrote:
>> >Instable ones and accumulated ones can also be thoght as toxic.
>> >Substance may not be toxic but its quantity can be toxic.
>>
>> Can you name an example? I don't know what you are referring to.
>> What toxic substances accumulate ?
>>
>> jack
>
>Excess of anything, overall or more at one part and defficient at other
>part. Ironoverload, fats, heavy metals etc.
There isn't any in a normal human body.
Iron and other heavy metals are pathological in raised levels.
Fat is a perfectly normal part of a human body.
If there is too much of this energy store, then one should reduce
energy input, not by fasting, but by reducing it only slightly.
jack
Kumar
Fasting under medical supervision can be a common measure. Aversion to
particular substance is another one. Do we get loss of appetite,
aversion to eat and drink, aversion to take specific food, which sick
or not?
spam...@spam.heaven
wrote:
>spam...@spam.heaven wrote:
>> On 16 Jan 2007 00:29:21 -0800, "Kumar" <lordsh...@rediffmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >> >Instable ones and accumulated ones can also be thoght as toxic.
>> >> >Substance may not be toxic but its quantity can be toxic.
>> >>
>> >> Can you name an example? I don't know what you are referring to.
>> >> What toxic substances accumulate ?
>> >>
>> >> jack
>> >
>> >Excess of anything, overall or more at one part and defficient at other
>> >part. Ironoverload, fats, heavy metals etc.
>>
>> There isn't any in a normal human body.
>>
>> Iron and other heavy metals are pathological in raised levels.
>> Fat is a perfectly normal part of a human body.
>> If there is too much of this energy store, then one should reduce
>> energy input, not by fasting, but by reducing it only slightly.
>>
>> jack
>
>Fasting under medical supervision can be a common measure.
For what condition? Fasting is quite stressful to the body and would
only be advocated for a serious condition. I wonder what.
>Aversion to
>particular substance is another one.
Well, if you are averse to a substance, you should avoid it, but what
does fasting have to do with this?
Remember you are claiming that a toxin is somehow being administered
by fasting, which will protect the body via a hormetic effect from a
toxic dose somehow administered when eating a normal diet resumes.
This is the "cleansing" nonsense that is popular.
The best practice is to eat a healthy, balanced diet with slight
adjustment of energy input to slowly attain optimal body weight if
necessary.
Unless someone has swallowed a toxic substance, there is nothing that
accumulates that needs "cleansing".
>Do we get loss of appetite,
>aversion to eat and drink, aversion to take specific food, which sick
>or not?
Aversion to food or drink is pathological. Its root cause should be
investigated. jack
Kumar
spamf...@spam.heaven wrote:
> On 16 Jan 2007 01:48:58 -0800, "Kumar" <lordsh...@rediffmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >spam...@spam.heaven wrote:
> >> On 16 Jan 2007 00:29:21 -0800, "Kumar" <lordsh...@rediffmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >> >Instable ones and accumulated ones can also be thoght as toxic.
> >> >> >Substance may not be toxic but its quantity can be toxic.
> >> >>
> >> >> Can you name an example? I don't know what you are referring to.
> >> >> What toxic substances accumulate ?
> >> >>
> >> >> jack
> >> >
> >> >Excess of anything, overall or more at one part and defficient at other
> >> >part. Ironoverload, fats, heavy metals etc.
> >>
> >> There isn't any in a normal human body.
> >>
> >> Iron and other heavy metals are pathological in raised levels.
> >> Fat is a perfectly normal part of a human body.
> >> If there is too much of this energy store, then one should reduce
> >> energy input, not by fasting, but by reducing it only slightly.
> >>
> >> jack
> >
> >Fasting under medical supervision can be a common measure.
>
> For what condition? Fasting is quite stressful to the body and would
> only be advocated for a serious condition. I wonder what.
> >Aversion to
> >particular substance is another one.
>
> Well, if you are averse to a substance, you should avoid it, but what
> does fasting have to do with this?
>
> Remember you are claiming that a toxin is somehow being administered
> by fasting, which will protect the body via a hormetic effect from a
> toxic dose somehow administered when eating a normal diet resumes.
of excess/instable ones in general..which may then stimulate
physiological activities. However stress, Defficiencies, withdrawls
etc, are to be taken care while fasting.
> This is the "cleansing" nonsense that is popular.
> The best practice is to eat a healthy, balanced diet with slight
> adjustment of energy input to slowly attain optimal body weight if
> necessary.
difficult to follow?
> Unless someone has swallowed a toxic substance, there is nothing that
> accumulates that needs "cleansing".
Whether a single molecule of any substance is fatal or mass damaging?
Is it Toxic substance or toxic quantity which is fatal or damaging?
> >Do we get loss of appetite,
> >aversion to eat and drink, aversion to take specific food, which sick
> >or not?
>
> Aversion to food or drink is pathological. Its root cause should be
> investigated. jack
Can't it be meant to cure, naturally?
spam...@spam.heaven
wrote:
>> >Fasting under medical supervision can be a common measure.
>>
>> For what condition? Fasting is quite stressful to the body and would
>> only be advocated for a serious condition. I wonder what.
>I gave a link previously.
Only very short fasts to keep the stomach empty for safe anaesthesia,
and for obtaining baseline biochemical measurements.
What diseases is fasting prescribed by conventional medicine as a
therapy?
>> >Aversion to
>> >particular substance is another one.
>>
>> Well, if you are averse to a substance, you should avoid it, but what
>> does fasting have to do with this?
>>
>> Remember you are claiming that a toxin is somehow being administered
>> by fasting, which will protect the body via a hormetic effect from a
>> toxic dose somehow administered when eating a normal diet resumes.
>No, I am not claiming it. Pls re-read. Fasting can lower the quantity
>of excess/instable ones in general..
In a normal individual, what are these "excess/unstable ones"?
>which may then stimulate
>physiological activities.
For example?
>However stress, Defficiencies, withdrawls
>etc, are to be taken care while fasting.
Stress won't be taken care of by fasting. Normal diet and rest is the
best course of action. Failing that, psychological help may be called
for.
Deficiencies would best be remedied by increasing the intake of the
deficient substance. Fasing won't help this, it may even exacerbate
it.
Withdrawals from what?
>> This is the "cleansing" nonsense that is popular.
>> The best practice is to eat a healthy, balanced diet with slight
>> adjustment of energy input to slowly attain optimal body weight if
>> necessary.
>Why diabetics overeat? In many cases, it may be easy to say but
>difficult to follow?
Well overeating and the genetic predisposition will bring out
metabolic syndrome which involves defective glucose control, which
will predispose to further overeating.
The wise course of action then is to use a meter to avoid high glucose
levels by whatever means are available. Diet, exercise and drugs
>> Unless someone has swallowed a toxic substance, there is nothing that
>> accumulates that needs "cleansing".
>
>Whether a single molecule of any substance is fatal or mass damaging?
>Is it Toxic substance or toxic quantity which is fatal or damaging?
Well that all depends, but you have not given me an example of this
hypothetical substance.
A single molecule is never damaging, except perhaps for a plutonium
salt.
>> >Do we get loss of appetite,
>> >aversion to eat and drink, aversion to take specific food, which sick
>> >or not?
>>
>> Aversion to food or drink is pathological. Its root cause should be
>> investigated. jack
>
>Can't it be meant to cure, naturally?
Depends what is causing it. I would certainly want to know that before
I just let matters be. BTW, nothing is "meant" to be.
jack
Kumar
spam...@spam.heaven wrote:
> On 16 Jan 2007 03:10:10 -0800, "Kumar" <lordsh...@rediffmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >> >Fasting under medical supervision can be a common measure.
> >>
> >> For what condition? Fasting is quite stressful to the body and would
> >> only be advocated for a serious condition. I wonder what.
> >I gave a link previously.
>
> Only very short fasts to keep the stomach empty for safe anaesthesia,
> and for obtaining baseline biochemical measurements.
> What diseases is fasting prescribed by conventional medicine as a
> therapy?
It is to be evalued systematically.
Have you practiced fasts, how you feel next day on fasting previous
day.
When sick, whether animals and birds avert to take food and prefer rest
in less lighted places and then usually get cured?
On many sicknesses, Why our body intiate us not to take foods and take
rest?
> >> >Aversion to
> >> >particular substance is another one.
> >>
> >> Well, if you are averse to a substance, you should avoid it, but what
> >> does fasting have to do with this?
> >>
> >> Remember you are claiming that a toxin is somehow being administered
> >> by fasting, which will protect the body via a hormetic effect from a
> >> toxic dose somehow administered when eating a normal diet resumes.
>
> >No, I am not claiming it. Pls re-read. Fasting can lower the quantity
> >of excess/instable ones in general..
>
> In a normal individual, what are these "excess/unstable ones"?
We are talking about sick individual not normal one.
Excesses/accumulation may mean excesses at total body level..may or may
not be in blood or at one part whereas instable may mean more at one
part and less at other--may still be normal in blood, but abnormal at
total body level. Excesses/accumulations may make you aversion to those
excesses, whereas instables may make you either aversion to take or
hungry.
It is to be evalued, in diabetics with IR, when they prefer overeating,
whether glucose is excessive just in blood but defficient on other
parts(instable) or excess on whole body level(accumulation)
> >which may then stimulate
> >physiological activities.
>
> For example?
One feel better on giving periodical rests to stomach. One feel better
on reversing greater adiposity/VAT. Reversing greater obesity benefits
to Diabetic2.
> >However stress, Defficiencies, withdrawls
> >etc, are to be taken care while fasting.
>
> Stress won't be taken care of by fasting. Normal diet and rest is the
> best course of action. Failing that, psychological help may be called
> for.
Some stress is beneficial and normal which stimulate fight and flight
response. In one is some stressful, it may be beneficial.
> Deficiencies would best be remedied by increasing the intake of the
> deficient substance. Fasing won't help this, it may even exacerbate
> it.
>
> Withdrawals from what?
Yes, that is to be evalued first. Anyway, modern lifestyle may make you
abnormal eatings
> >> This is the "cleansing" nonsense that is popular.
> >> The best practice is to eat a healthy, balanced diet with slight
> >> adjustment of energy input to slowly attain optimal body weight if
> >> necessary.
Yes, that can be one type of fasting if you are treating excessive
weight.
> >Why diabetics overeat? In many cases, it may be easy to say but
> >difficult to follow?
>
> Well overeating and the genetic predisposition will bring out
> metabolic syndrome which involves defective glucose control, which
> will predispose to further overeating.
> The wise course of action then is to use a meter to avoid high glucose
> levels by whatever means are available. Diet, exercise and drugs
Can glucose levels be defficient and instable on *total body levels in
diabetics2 who prefer overeatings?
> >> Unless someone has swallowed a toxic substance, there is nothing that
> >> accumulates that needs "cleansing".
> >
> >Whether a single molecule of any substance is fatal or mass damaging?
> >Is it Toxic substance or toxic quantity which is fatal or damaging?
>
> Well that all depends, but you have not given me an example of this
> hypothetical substance.
There is no substance. I meant lesser quantity of all substances in
body.
> A single molecule is never damaging, except perhaps for a plutonium
> salt.
So fatal/damaging is the quantity not the substance. As such,
increasing the quantity from optimal level is toxic/harming or
discouraging to normal physiological activities whereas lowering the
quantity to optimal level can be beneficial and encouraging to normal
physiological activities. A hungry person may try more to get the food,
whereas an overeaten person may become lazy.
> >> >Do we get loss of appetite,
> >> >aversion to eat and drink, aversion to take specific food, which sick
> >> >or not?
> >>
> >> Aversion to food or drink is pathological. Its root cause should be
> >> investigated. jack
> >
> >Can't it be meant to cure, naturally?
>
> Depends what is causing it. I would certainly want to know that before
> I just let matters be. BTW, nothing is "meant" to be.
>
> jack
Some stress is normal, natural &beneficial which may promote fight and
flight responses, means encouraging physical activities whereas "rest
and digest" may not.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> >The problem is that people in industrialized nations have been
> >brainwashed to falsely believe that "hunger is bad."
> >
> >This false belief makes hunger intolerable so that folks are compelled
> >to overeat themselves into being ill:
>
> Well I beg to differ, slightly.
>
> Hunger is unpleasant
Not for those who know in their hearts that hunger is good, thereby
having befriended it.
> (it's part of the way we are forced to eat)
(We are not forced to eat. Those who have been brainwashed are being
forced to overeat.)
> so
> when we can oversatisfy it in 5 minutes or less at the fridge or fast
> food outlet, we do just that.
This happens because the false belief that "hunger is bad" leads to the
false belief that hunger indicates lack when hunger simply means delay.
> I know of many folk like me who regard a
> little hunger as a very small price to pay for increased enjoyment of
> the next meal.
Folks with only a little hunger are only a little healthy.
> Then there is appetite....
Hunger is a healthy appetite:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/565dcf43b835714d
May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing our
diabetes, depression, anxiety, or panic so that we can love our
neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a whole lot more, dear
kumar
2nd post;
"Evart Loomis M.D. -"Fasting is the world's most ancient and natural
healing mechanism. Fasting triggers a truly wondrous cleansing process
that reaches right down to each and every cell and tissue in the body.
Within 24 hours of curtailing food intake, enzymes stop entering the
stomach and travel instead into the intestines and into the
bloodstream, where they circulate and gobble up all sorts of waste
matter, including dead and damaged cells, unwelcome microbes, metabolic
wastes, and pollutants. All organs and glands get a much-needed and
well-deserved rest, during which their tissues are purified and
rejuvenated and their functions balanced and regulated. The entire
alimentary canal is swept clean. By rebuilding immunity, health is
naturally restored and disease disappears.
http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/fasting.htm "
Read more on link.
spam...@spam.heaven
wrote:
>
>2nd post;
>
>"Evart Loomis M.D. -"Fasting is the world's most ancient and natural
>healing mechanism. Fasting triggers a truly wondrous cleansing process
>that reaches right down to each and every cell and tissue in the body.
>Within 24 hours of curtailing food intake, enzymes stop entering the
>stomach and travel instead into the intestines and into the
>bloodstream, where they circulate and gobble up all sorts of waste
>matter, including dead and damaged cells, unwelcome microbes, metabolic
>wastes, and pollutants. All organs and glands get a much-needed and
>well-deserved rest, during which their tissues are purified and
>rejuvenated and their functions balanced and regulated. The entire
>alimentary canal is swept clean. By rebuilding immunity, health is
>naturally restored and disease disappears.
>http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/fasting.htm "
>
>Read more on link.
sorry, that's a load of nonsense. New-age, fuzzy rubbish
The word "wondrous" gives you this strong hint in the second line. The
rest is just vague, wishful voodoo physiology.
Just because it is in writing, does not mean it has any validity at
all. jack
Kumar
May be. But I just heard and seen in other species fastinf when sick
"Fasting is the world's most ancient and natural healing mechanism."
Moreover I and people near to me feel better and light after one/two
day fasting.
spam...@spam.heaven
wrote:
Probably they are too ill to eat or look for food?
>"Fasting is the world's most ancient and natural healing mechanism."
No, Mama's chicken soup is!
>Moreover I and people near to me feel better and light after one/two
>day fasting.
They certainly must feel pretty bad when they eat then.
Of course, if you overeat, you might like a break, but not for long.
And then if you are very overweight, you might feel a bit better when
you fast. But I contend that normal healthy folk feel better when they
eat a regular healthy diet.
jack
Kumar
Fasting may be meant for abnormailties, neither starvation state nor
optimal/normal state ?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
> > neighbor Jack (spam...@spam.heaven) wrote:
... of freshly prepared food.
The problem is that most people are overeating, which is causing harm
because of accumulating VAT.
Kumar
VAT may be related to blotted abdomen. As such, can VAT/excessive gas
be a reson to overeating. I feel to take more when excessive gas is
there?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Possibly.
> As such, can VAT/excessive gas be a reson to overeating.
Abdominal discomfort would be an indication that there has been
overeating.
> I feel to take more when excessive gas is there?
Those who falsely believe that hunger is bad, find it impossible to put
up with being hungry when they are not happy about other things going
on in their life.
Kumar
absorptions?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > convicted neighbor Kumar wrote:
You already know that it does not though you may be using it as an
excuse to eat more when the real reason is the false belief that
"hunger is bad."
Kumar
On Jan 25, 12:18 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> > absorptions?You already know that it does not though you may be using it as an
> excuse to eat more when the real reason is the false belief that
> "hunger is bad."
I am just trying to find physiological reason instread of psycological
reason.
Can potassium(within extravascular tissues) be lacking as a result of
persisting hyperglycemia in view of efflux of K and losing it in urine?
How there can be chronic/persisting/reccuring hypokalemia possible(as
in case of other thread)?
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhDhttp://EmoryCardiology.com- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Flatulence is not psychological.
> Can potassium(within extravascular tissues) be lacking as a result of
> persisting hyperglycemia in view of efflux of K and losing it in urine?
The kidneys function well to keep potassium losses to a minimum so that
low serum potassium is avoided.
> How there can be chronic/persisting/reccuring hypokalemia possible(as
> in case of other thread)?
When a person is taking a diuretic to control his/her blood pressure.
Cary Kittrell
> neighbor "Kumar" wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > convicted neighbor "Kumar" wrote:
Well, whaddya know: Kumar got sprung from the "convicted" list.
Nice going, Kumar. Eat a pizza for me, hear?
-- cary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > neighbor "Kumar" wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > convicted neighbor "Kumar" wrote:
> Well, whaddya know: Kumar got sprung from the "convicted" list.
>
> Nice going, Kumar. Eat a pizza for me, hear?
Your ebbing free will as manifested by the obsession you demonstrate
here simply shows that you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing our
diabetes, depression, anxiety, or panic so that we can love our
neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a lot more, dear neighbor
Cary whom I love unconditionally.
Cary Kittrell
> convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > neighbor "Kumar" wrote:
> > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > convicted neighbor "Kumar" wrote:
>
> > Well, whaddya know: Kumar got sprung from the "convicted" list.
> >
> > Nice going, Kumar. Eat a pizza for me, hear?
>
> Your ebbing free will as manifested by the obsession you demonstrate
> here
Not dissimilar to your teeth-clenched inability to resist replying.
> simply shows that you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
So tell us, Andy: how did Kumar escape the "convicted" list?
Tunneled out with a plastic spoon?
-- cary
Cary Kittrell
> Cary Kittrell stunk up the room with this steaming pile of crap:
>
> > In article <1169850788....@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>
> > "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> writes:
> >
> >> neighbor "Kumar" wrote:
> >
> >> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
> >> > > convicted neighbor "Kumar" wrote:
> >
> >
> > Well, whaddya know: Kumar got sprung from the "convicted" list.
>
> post.
>
> > Nice going, Kumar. Eat a pizza for me, hear?
>
> Either I'm a superconvict, or he fucked up.
That's most intersting. Aapprently the LORD didn't see fit
to inform Andrew of your fiendishly (so to speak) clever
disguise.
-- cary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > neighbor "Kumar" wrote:
> > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > > convicted neighbor "Kumar" wrote:
>
> > > Well, whaddya know: Kumar got sprung from the "convicted" list.
>
> > > Nice going, Kumar. Eat a pizza for me, hear?
>
> > Your ebbing free will as manifested by the obsession you demonstrate
> > here
>
> Not dissimilar to your teeth-clenched inability to resist replying.
You, thankfully, have not unwisely blasphemed the Holy Spirit.
> > simply shows that you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
> So tell us, Andy: how did Kumar escape the "convicted" list?
> Tunneled out with a plastic spoon?
Clearly you remain ever seeing and not perceiving along with others on
the above prayer list.
For example:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/ad8cbf704f64160f?
May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing our
diabetes, depression, anxiety, or panic so that we can love our
neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a lot more, dear Cary
kumar
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
I think, ANS system's role can be there..decreased/increased GIT
activities. Status of nutrient may also mediate it.
Btw, how net digestion and absorption of any nutrient can be related to
Gas or no gas. Probably gas enable quick movement of food so lesser
absorption and more stools with undigested foods?
Apart from other known(those may not be chronic) reasons, To me it just
look to linked to changed vascular tones?
> > Can potassium(within extravascular tissues) be lacking as a result of
> > persisting hyperglycemia in view of efflux of K and losing it in urine?
>
> The kidneys function well to keep potassium losses to a minimum so that
> low serum potassium is avoided.
Suppose, if there in increased efflux of K from ICF to ECF? Kidney
first try to avoid hyperglycemia and hypoglycemia..may not be its
intra-cellular levels?
> > How there can be chronic/persisting/reccuring hypokalemia possible(as
> > in case of other thread)?
>
> When a person is taking a diuretic to control his/her blood pressure.
" Higher-than-normal urine potassium levels may indicate:
Acute tubular necrosis
Cushing's syndrome (rare)
Diabetic acidosis and other forms of metabolic acidosis
Hyperaldosteronism (very rare)
Eating disorders (anorexia, bulimia) and vomiting
*Low magnesium levels
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/003600.htm "
How low Mg is related to Higher-than-normal urine potassium levels?
Art Deco
>convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> > neighbor "Kumar" wrote:
>> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> > > > convicted neighbor "Kumar" wrote:
>
>> Well, whaddya know: Kumar got sprung from the "convicted" list.
>>
>> Nice going, Kumar. Eat a pizza for me, hear?
>
>Your ebbing free will as manifested by the obsession you demonstrate
>here simply shows that you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
Pure idiocy.
>
>http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
The haet lits just keeps getting longer.
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Art Deco
>For example:
>
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/ad8cbf704f64160f?
Oh yeah, I almost forgot -- killfilling Chung is the same as committing
murder.
ah
I do not see an entry for I.
I am pissed; I am.
The Demon Prince of Absurdity
screamed:
> meanie writes:
>> Cary Kittrell stunk up the room with this steaming pile of crap:
>> >> neighbor "Kumar" wrote:
>> >> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >> > > convicted neighbor "Kumar" wrote:
>> >
>> > Well, whaddya know: Kumar got sprung from the "convicted" list.
>>
>> Oh, he's still there. Chung just forgot to edit the intro line on that
>> post.
>>
>> > Nice going, Kumar. Eat a pizza for me, hear?
>>
>> S'pose Chung realizes I'm on his list twice, under different nyms? LOL
>> Either I'm a superconvict, or he fucked up.
>
> That's most intersting. Aapprently the LORD didn't see fit to inform
> Andrew of your fiendishly (so to speak) clever disguise.
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>On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 01:31:38 +0000, Cary Kittrell did the cha-cha, and
>screamed:
>> meanie writes:
>>> Cary Kittrell stunk up the room with this steaming pile of crap:
>>> > "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" writes:
>>> >> neighbor "Kumar" wrote:
>>> >> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>> >> > > convicted neighbor "Kumar" wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Well, whaddya know: Kumar got sprung from the "convicted" list.
>>>
>>> Oh, he's still there. Chung just forgot to edit the intro line on that
>>> post.
>>>
>>> > Nice going, Kumar. Eat a pizza for me, hear?
>>>
>>> S'pose Chung realizes I'm on his list twice, under different nyms? LOL
>>> Either I'm a superconvict, or he fucked up.
>>
>> That's most intersting. Aapprently the LORD didn't see fit to inform
>> Andrew of your fiendishly (so to speak) clever disguise.
>
>Be bs zvar, nccneragyl -- Puhatyrf unf zr yvgf0erq ab yrff guna /fvk/
>gvzrf.
V'z na bssvpvny qrzba va nqqvgvba gb orvat ba gur pbaivpgf fuvcf.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
The ANS is not psychological either.
> Btw, how net digestion and absorption of any nutrient can be related to
> Gas or no gas. Probably gas enable quick movement of food so lesser
> absorption and more stools with undigested foods?
This would be related more to gut flora.
> Apart from other known(those may not be chronic) reasons, To me it just
> look to linked to changed vascular tones?
It is not related to vascular tone.
> > > Can potassium(within extravascular tissues) be lacking as a result of
> > > persisting hyperglycemia in view of efflux of K and losing it in urine?
> >
> > The kidneys function well to keep potassium losses to a minimum so that
> > low serum potassium is avoided.
>
> Suppose, if there in increased efflux of K from ICF to ECF? Kidney
> first try to avoid hyperglycemia and hypoglycemia..may not be its
> intra-cellular levels?
Glycemic control does not occur at the kidneys.
> > > How there can be chronic/persisting/reccuring hypokalemia possible(as
> > > in case of other thread)?
> >
> > When a person is taking a diuretic to control his/her blood pressure.
>
> " Higher-than-normal urine potassium levels may indicate:
>
> Acute tubular necrosis
> Cushing's syndrome (rare)
> Diabetic acidosis and other forms of metabolic acidosis
> Hyperaldosteronism (very rare)
> Eating disorders (anorexia, bulimia) and vomiting
> *Low magnesium levels
> http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/003600.htm "
>
> How low Mg is related to Higher-than-normal urine potassium levels?
Magnesium is a cofactor for the optimal functioning of the NA+K+ATPase
pump in the nephrons of the kidneys.
Cary Kittrell
> Convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > neighbor "Kumar" wrote:
> > > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > > > convicted neighbor "Kumar" wrote:
> >
> > > > Well, whaddya know: Kumar got sprung from the "convicted" list.
> >
> > > > Nice going, Kumar. Eat a pizza for me, hear?
> >
> > > Your ebbing free will as manifested by the obsession you demonstrate
> > > here
> >
> > Not dissimilar to your teeth-clenched inability to resist replying.
>
> You, thankfully, have not unwisely blasphemed the Holy Spirit.
Which has nothing to do with your obsessively answsering my
posts. You appear to be a little low on the free will department.
>
> > > simply shows that you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
>
> > So tell us, Andy: how did Kumar escape the "convicted" list?
> > Tunneled out with a plastic spoon?
>
> Clearly you remain ever seeing and not perceiving along with others on
> the above prayer list.
>
> For example:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/ad8cbf704f64160f?
A post not written by me in a thread I've never heard of in a
newsgroup I never read is an example of MY not perceiving?
Having a bit of trouble with pronouns, are you?
-- cary
Cary Kittrell
That's a very good point -- Andrew, why should we be praying for
someone who's a demon already?
-- cary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
> That's a very good point -- Andrew, why should we be praying for
> someone who's a demon already?
It would be your choice to knowingly pray for someone who is a demon.
Some claim to be demons but are not.
You still have GOD's generous gift of free will.
However, because Jesus is not your LORD, your prayers don't matter
anyway.
Here's how to make your prayer matter:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
> That's a very good point -- Andrew, why should we be praying for
> someone who's a demon already?
It would be your choice to knowingly pray for someone who is a demon.
Some claim to be demons but are not.
You still have GOD's generous gift of free will.
However, because Jesus is not your LORD, your prayers don't matter
anyway.
Here's how to make your prayer matter:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay
Andrew <><
Cary Kittrell
> > someone who's a demon already?
>
Actually, it would be at your urging: you have the "demon"
Art Deco on your list, only under another nym.
God, apparently, did not see fit to inform you of this.
>
> Some claim to be demons but are not.
>
> You still have GOD's generous gift of free will.
>
> However, because Jesus is not your LORD, your prayers don't matter
> anyway.
You really should stop telling God what you will allow Him
to do and what you will not allow Him to do. If He sees
fit to hear prayers from non-believers, that's up to Him.
-- cary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> >
> > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
> >
> > > That's a very good point -- Andrew, why should we be praying for
> > > someone who's a demon already?
> >
> > It would be your choice to knowingly pray for someone who is a demon.
>
> Actually, it would be at your urging: you have the "demon"
> Art Deco on your list, only under another nym.
It would be your choice to believe a demon's claims.
> God, apparently, did not see fit to inform you of this.
GOD does not have to inform me of anything.
> > Some claim to be demons but are not.
> >
> > You still have GOD's generous gift of free will.
> >
> > However, because Jesus is not your LORD, your prayers don't matter
> > anyway.
>
> You really should stop telling God what you will allow Him
> to do and what you will not allow Him to do.
It remains my choice to receive HIS guidance in everything I say, do,
and write.
> If He sees
> fit to hear prayers from non-believers, that's up to Him.
Without the LORD, your entire life will be meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
Father Haskell
On Jan 29, 5:31 pm, malscribe <wri...@rotted.pencil> wrote:
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD shamelessly exposed this to the world:
>
> > However, because Jesus is not your LORD, your prayers don't matter
> > anyway.If Jesus only listens to his followers, that means it's impossible for
> anyone to be saved since only non-followers need to be saved and nobody can
> be saved by proxy. That includes you, since there was a time when you
> weren't a follower, either. ...Or did you just tell a lie?
>
> Either you've been living a lie, or you're lying right now. And you know
> what that means. Might as well go buy a shovel so you won't have to
> "shovel" coal with your bare hands when you wake up in Hell.
It won't be coal he'll be shovelling.
He'll be wading waist deep in it, btw...
Stephen Knight
<ach...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
>convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
The 'convicted' thing is getting kind of sour.
You were doing great a few months ago. I particularly liked the 666
on the forehead you gave us and the list you made altering what we
said to make your ego erection.
I have some ideas here to give you a PR boost.
Instead of convicted..... Say 'Spiritual Felon'. It has a better
ring to it. There's that whole butt rape thing going if you don't
believe in the Stick Boy.
Another thing, don't say you 'just say what Magic Boy tells you to
say'. Even Robertson will think you're Coo Coo. Change that. Say you
got it out of the Bibble. You interpreted it. That's mileage we can
swallow.
You're smart not to engage an atheist in direct confrontation. Keep
that going. The last thing you need is to have is your ass handed to
you in a basket in front of your sniveling newsgroup zombies. Play to
the morons. It's working.
One final thing. Satan thinks you are totally cool. Trust me.. I
know. I showed Him your picture from the Internet and He
said............ "Whoa... Boy Toy..."
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
Icarus
> Without the LORD, your entire life will be meaningless
Meaning is something you decide for yourself, not what someone else tells
you it's going to be.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > Without the LORD, your entire life will be meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
>
> Meaning is something you decide for yourself, not what someone else tells
> you it's going to be.
Such is the delusion of the self-worshipper who believes in only
himself/herself.
Father Haskell
<and...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> Icarus wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > > Without the LORD, your entire life will be meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
>
> > Meaning is something you decide for yourself, not what someone else tells
> > you it's going to be.
>
> Such is the delusion of the self-worshipper who believes in only
> himself/herself.
That's called a sound state of mental health, acheiving one's
goals through self-confidence and self-motivation. Interesting
that your doctrine inverts reality so -- referring to sanity as
sickness, and delusion as reality -- is it possible that what
you're REALLY worshipping is..... SATAN?
Icarus
> Icarus wrote:
>> Andrew B. Chung wrote:
>>
>>> Without the LORD, your entire life will be meaningless
>>> (Ecclesiastes).
>>
>> Meaning is something you decide for yourself, not what someone else
>> tells you it's going to be.
>
> Such is the delusion of the self-worshipper who believes in only
> himself/herself.
OK then! :-) I tell you that your sole purpose in life is to provide me
with entertainment in the form of discussions about religion on Usenet.
Without ME, your entire life would be meaningless. If you think otherwise,
you're deluded.
Father Haskell
<ach...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
>
> This false belief makes hunger intolerable so that folks are compelled
> to overeat themselves into being ill:
According to physicist Phillip Morrison, the daily calorie intake of
a
Tour de France racer is equivalent to 32 jelly donuts -- and STILL
they lose weight. Exercise seems to a _slight_ effect here;
recall that Lance Armstrong was practically a dead man before
setting an all time 7 Tour record.
Calories in should be equal to or less than calories burned. But of
course you already knew that, Dr. Board Certified Cardiologist.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
Without the LORD, your beliefs are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
Mark K. Bilbo
> neighbor Icarus wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> > neighbor Icarus wrote:
>> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Without the LORD, your entire life will be meaningless
>> >>> (Ecclesiastes).
>> >>
>> >> Meaning is something you decide for yourself, not what someone else
>> >> tells you it's going to be.
>> >
>> > Such is the delusion of the self-worshipper who believes in only
>> > himself/herself.
>>
>> OK then! :-) I tell you that your sole purpose in life is to provide me
>> with entertainment in the form of discussions about religion on Usenet.
>> Without ME, your entire life would be meaningless. If you think otherwise,
>> you're deluded.
>
> Without the LORD, your beliefs are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
>
> Andrew <><
Without sanity, your posts are funny.
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"There is something feeble and a little contemptible about
a man who cannot face the perils of life without the help of
comfortable myths. Almost inevitably some part of him is
aware that they are myths and that he believes them only
because they are comforting. But he dare not face this
thought! Moreover, since he is aware, however dimly, that his
opinions are not rational, he becomes furious when they are
disputed." - Bertrand Russell
Cary Kittrell
>
> On 29 Jan 2007 14:17:51 -0800, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>
> You were doing great a few months ago. I particularly liked the 666
> on the forehead you gave us and the list you made altering what we
> said to make your ego erection.
>
<sigh> Ah, the nostalgia. Though I sometimes accuse Andrew
of producing nothing more than cookie-cutter posts in which
the only changes are more-links-to-Chung-apprently assigned using
a random number generator, still I am forced to admit
that looking at things over a longer time scale, various
enthusiasms of his do appear, flourish, and then vanish.
And I kind of miss some of them.
I mean, remember the Sixth Seal of Revelations business
("The Lamb to open the 6th seal on 03/29/2006 ???????")?
You know, complete with nuclear missles and earthquake and
global pandemic and ...AND... an apocalyptic horseman
"wielding a set of food scales and riding a black horse",
this undeniably associated with the increasing practice of
2PD-OMER worldwide?
(yes, yes, I know: Revelation 6 says nothing about "food scales".
but his improving the Scriptures as required is part of what makes
Andrew such fun to read)
-- cary
Mark K. Bilbo
Ah yes. I still remember when he had to resort to calling a quake in Japan
that barely rattled any dishes a "great" quake...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
If their omnipotent, omniscient (so they say) god wants me to
believe in him, then he should know what would prove his
existence to me. He hasn't done so yet, so there is no reason
to believe in him. - Woden
Cary Kittrell
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo>
Well, hey. I mean, there's some thought among geologists and
biologists these days that not only are there bacteria living
in solid rock miles under the earth's surface, but that these
may be so numerous as to constitute a greater biomass than
all surface life combined.
So see: if you're a teensy troglodyte living miles down,
that quake might just have been the Big One.
Or not: "Ralph, did you just feel something?"
"Hmmm? Not me...say, are you going to finish that
galena or not?"
-- cary