Re: For the Ladies Eating for Two
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
pregnant:
A simple parable given in hopes of promoting greater understanding:
Life in industrial countries is essentially life in blessed feed lots.
<><
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Counsels
convicted neighbor Alan S wrote:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
> Three reports of interest in the latest issue of the New
> England Journal of Medicine.
>
> The first also has implications for our separate discussion
> on retinopathy and setting of diagnostic criteria.
>
> ***
> Hyperglycemia and Adverse Pregnancy Outcomes
> http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/short/358/19/1991?query=TOC
> Conclusions
> Our results indicate strong, continuous associations of
> maternal glucose levels below those diagnostic of diabetes
> with increased birth weight and increased cord-blood serum
> C-peptide levels.
> ***
>
> Metformin versus Insulin for the Treatment of Gestational
> Diabetes
> http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/short/358/19/2003?query=TOC
> Conclusions
> In women with gestational diabetes mellitus, metformin
> (alone or with supplemental insulin) is not associated with
> increased perinatal complications as compared with insulin.
> The women preferred metformin to insulin treatment.
> (Australian New Zealand Clinical Trials Registry number,
> 12605000311651.)
> ***
>
> And the Editorial (full version needs payment)
> http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/short/358/19/2061?query=TOC
> Gestational Diabetes — Setting Limits, Exploring Treatments
>
> Pregnancy is associated with relative carbohydrate
> intolerance and insulin resistance. Gestational diabetes
> mellitus (carbohydrate intolerance first diagnosed during
> pregnancy) has long been recognized as a risk factor for a
> number of adverse outcomes during pregnancy, including
> excessive fetal growth, an increased incidence of birth
> trauma and cesarean delivery, and neonatal metabolic
> abnormalities such as polycythemia, hyperbilirubinemia, and
> hypoglycemia.1 This recognition has led to recommendations
> to screen all pregnant women for gestational diabetes
> mellitus and to treat those whose glucose-tolerance tests
> exceed threshold criteria.2
>
> The threshold criteria for diagnosing gestational diabetes
> were initially specified rather arbitrarily as values
> greater than 2 . . . [Full Text of this Article requires
> payment]
>
>
> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
> d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
> Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
> --
> http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com
> Latest:What to Eat Until You Get Your Meter.
> and Cambodia
> http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/2008/03/cambodia.html
Zen Cohen
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
news:4026e618-7b5f-41b4...@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>It remains smarter to ...
1. lose the smug, holier-than-thou, know-it-all attitude (for starters,
learn some humility and stop calling everyone who disagrees with you satan);
2. seek counseling for your mental illness because you are sick and getting
sicker;
3. put your education and license to practice medicine to good use before
you lose it forever.
yama...@aol.com
> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote in messagenews:4026e618-7b5f-41b4...@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>
> >It remains smarter to ...
>
> 1. lose the smug, holier-than-thou, know-it-all attitude (for starters,
> learn some humility and stop calling everyone who disagrees with you satan);
>
> 2. seek counseling for your mental illness because you are sick and getting
> sicker;
>
> 3. put your education and license to practice medicine to good use before
> you lose it forever.
Zen, unfortunately Chung is pretty much a hopeless case at this point
and we can expect him to continue to deteriorate. He is a severely
personality disordered, mean-spirited man who exhibits ego-syntonic
regressed narcissism, delusions, sociopathic and compulsive traits. He
has no charm, no wit, no sense of humor and exhibits schizoid, anti-
social traits. He is the sort of twisted religious fanatic who ends up
killing, cooking and eating a girlfriend and claiming that God told
him to do it, just like that sick young man somewhere in the Mid West
did a few months ago. Religious delusions are a classic schizophrenic
trait.
He will never succeed as a clinician because of his inability to
communicate well or get along with others. Yet it is all ego-syntonic
for him, so he has no motivation to change himself and the way that he
interacts with others, despite the fact that it cost him relationships
and jobs and the respect of everyone he deals with. He thinks that is
our problem, not his.
He is in for a tough time with the Georgia Medical Board when they
next convene. He has also boasted and lied about millions of dollars
and refused to disclose the tax forms for 2007 for his nonprofit,
public charity, the Wellness Foundation, Inc. The IRS will be on to
him soon.
It seems that his whole life is centered on posting on Usenet but more
and more people are reporting him to Google for spam. He is using much
older accounts these days, ones that he hasn't used for months.
Perhaps the others were shut down due to complaints? Many of his posts
get greater than 10 users marking him with only one star for "poor,
would not recommend this post." I've seen some of his posts have > 150
users all rate him with one star for "poor."
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Zen Cohen
<yama...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:f213939c-218c-438e...@l28g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> On May 8, 3:07 pm, "Zen Cohen" <atu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote in
>> messagenews:4026e618-7b5f-41b4...@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >It remains smarter to ...
>>
>> 1. lose the smug, holier-than-thou, know-it-all attitude (for starters,
>> learn some humility and stop calling everyone who disagrees with you
>> satan);
>>
>> 2. seek counseling for your mental illness because you are sick and
>> getting
>> sicker;
>>
>> 3. put your education and license to practice medicine to good use before
>> you lose it forever.
>
> Zen, unfortunately Chung is pretty much a hopeless case at this point
I suspect you're right, but as much as I dislike the man I hope he somehow
gets his life together.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Uncle Frederik
That's a very accurate assessment. It does indeed appear that his
whole life is centered around posting on Usenet; he just can't help
himself.
Looks like reporting his spam posts to Google is actually working.
So much for being unstoppable...
"Laus Deo!!"
Agent Haskell, IRS
> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote in messagenews:4026e618-7b5f-41b4...@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>
> >It remains smarter to ...
>
> 1. lose the smug, holier-than-thou, know-it-all attitude (for starters,
> learn some humility and stop calling everyone who disagrees with you satan);
>
> 2. seek counseling for your mental illness because you are sick and getting
> sicker;
>
> 3. put your education and license to practice medicine to good use before
> you lose it forever.
4. Hang up your shingle in Haiti.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Guardian Snow
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/CrazySockPuppets
>
> <><
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Warns
So chung? If you really wanted to keep me around then how come you
worked so hard to and got me banned? If you're glad that I'm still
here, how come you have yet to post a single word to me?
If you wanted to "save me" or convert me (which makes no sense because
I'm a Christian that practices scripture more then you... how come you
have yet to post a message to me?
How come you tell so many lies? Why do you have 50 accounts? Is the
truth that you hate everybody so much that you PLANNED TO SPAM out of
pure unadulterated hatred? I think so... you planned it and your a
calculating evil person.
Guardian Snow
LOVE 8 @ THE TRUTH.COM :) :) rOTF... apparently your complaints have
had such an effect on chung that recently hes had to resort to accounts
that he hasn't used in ages.. accounts that the last time he posted
from was Jun 20 2007
All these people filing spam resports on you must be having an effect..
love 8 @ the truth tell me about it.. yummy..
Mat 25:35 for I was hungry and you gave Me food, I was thirsty and you
gave Me drink, I was a stranger and you took Me in,
not chung.. he gets people banned and spams them
here come the two links... gotta love that the crazy guy is regular..
I think we can all remember that scene in silence of the lambs. I
noticed my friend who was so happy I'm still here isn't talking to me now.
Chung, if you were interested in having a conversation, it requires more
then just two links.. I never bother looking at the links anyways. I do
know that some true Christians are in those "convict" links you like to
post and it's a shame you like to dehumanize people.
Nothing you say shows any aspect of the teachings of Christ. You judge
the living chung, not Jesus.
Joh 3:17 “For Elohim did not send His Son into the world to judge the
world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
Joh 3:18 “He who believes in Him is not judged, but he who does not
believe is judged already, because he has not believed in the Name of
the only brought-forth Son of Elohim.
Joh 3:19 “And this is the judgment, that the light has come into the
world, and men loved the darkness rather than the light, for their works
were wicked.
Joh 3:20 “For everyone who is practising evil matters hates the light
and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed.
Are you afraid real Christians are exposing you as a fraud?
Jame "Buffalo Bill" Gumb: It rubs the lotion on its skin. It does this
whenever it is told.
Catherine Martin: Mister... my family will pay cash. Whatever ransom
you're askin' for, they pay it.
Jame "Buffalo Bill" Gumb: It rubs the lotion on its skin or else it gets
the hose again.
[to his dog, Precious]
Jame "Buffalo Bill" Gumb: Yes, it will, Precious, won't it? It will get
the hose!
Catherine Martin: Okay... okay... okay. Mister, if you let me go, I
won't - I won't press charges I promise. See, my mom is a real important
woman... I guess you already know that.
Jame "Buffalo Bill" Gumb: Now it places the lotion in the basket.
Catherine Martin: Please! Please I wanna go home! I wanna go home please!
Jame "Buffalo Bill" Gumb: It places the lotion in the basket.
Catherine Martin: I wanna see my mommy! Please I wanna see my...
Get help,
Snow
Goals must never be from your ego, but problems that cry for a solution.
Robert H. Schuller
Guardian Snow
monkfish
Incredible.
You actually managed to get banned by Google?
What is more incedable is that
you are not repentant at all.
Still, I love to see you back.
Be grateful for everything.
Especially for the mudane things
like air, water, and trolls.
--
monkfish * alt.atheism is removed from the header because trying to prove
the existence of God is prohibited by their undebatable policy.
** Atheists have blind faith in their ability to know of all actual or
possible modes of existence. Such hubris cannot be good for science.
Zen Cohen
"Uncle Frederik" <Fred...@VoneHassen.net> wrote in message
news:mn.491e7d85f...@VoneHassen.net...
Andrew is no longer among the sentient. We even talk about him as if he's in
a coma -- like he's there but he really can't hear us.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/PrayForMonkfish
> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal sockpuppet) despairingly posted:
> > "Chung the hellbound liar"
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Despairingsatan
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> >> http://HeartMDPhD.com/CrazySockPuppets
> >>
> >> <><
> >>
> >> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Warns
> >
> > So chung? If you really wanted to keep me around then how come you
> > worked so hard to and got me banned? If you're glad that I'm still
> > here, how come you have yet to post a single word to me?
> >
> > If you wanted to "save me" or convert me (which makes no sense because
> > I'm a Christian that practices scripture more then you... how come you
> > have yet to post a message to me?
> >
> > How come you tell so many lies? Why do you have 50 accounts? Is the
> > truth that you hate everybody so much that you PLANNED TO SPAM out of
> > pure unadulterated hatred? I think so... you planned it and your a
> > calculating evil person.
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Stupidsatan
> Incredible.
> You actually managed to get banned by Google?
> What is more incedable is that
> you are not repentant at all.
It has no free will to do anything but satan's will, which is pure
evil.
This serves well to illustrate what happens to those who unwisely
blaspheme against the Holy Spirit:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Warns
May we, who are Christians, continue to pray for your perishing soul
along with the other souls convicted by the Holy Spirit, dear
Monkfish:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
<><
samvaknin
Cyber Narcissist
http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/journal67.html
For a more detailed view of pathological narcissism and the
Narcissistic
Personality Disorder (NPD) - click on these links:
http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/npdglance.html
http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/narcissismglance.html
Other Personality Disorders
http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/faqpd.html
Pathological Narcissism and Other Mental Health Disorders
http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/faq82.html
NPD (Narcissistic Personality Disorder) and AsPD (Antisocial
Personality
Disorder, Psychopathy, or Sociopathy)
http://samvak.tripod.com/personalitydisorders16.html
http://samvak.tripod.com/personalitydisorders15.html
Sam
Rod
Hi there spammer, take it somewhere else...
yama...@aol.com
Todah Rabah, Sam. I was looking for your links on this subject but
couldn't remember your name. Chung must make an excellent case study.
These sort of twisted personalities like Chung have always existed.
The Internet now gives them a place to thrive and be seen by others.
I'm an Internist, not a psychiatrist or psychologist. But how'd I do
on my assessment of Chung?
yama...@aol.com
Lay off, Rod. Did you read anything Dr. Vaknin wrote? Did you check
out his credentials? His contribution to this topic and his assessment
of Chung is right on target.
Rod
> On May 9, 5:27 am, Rod <icom...@att.net> wrote:
>> samvaknin wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> Cyber Narcissist
>>> http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/journal67.html
>>> For a more detailed view of pathological narcissism and the
>>> Narcissistic
>>> Personality Disorder (NPD) - click on these links:
>>> http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/npdglance.html
>>> http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/narcissismglance.html
>>> Other Personality Disorders
>>> http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/faqpd.html
>>> Pathological Narcissism and Other Mental Health Disorders
>>> http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/faq82.html
>>> NPD (Narcissistic Personality Disorder) and AsPD (Antisocial
>>> Personality
>>> Disorder, Psychopathy, or Sociopathy)
>>> http://samvak.tripod.com/personalitydisorders16.html
>>> http://samvak.tripod.com/personalitydisorders15.html
>>> Sam
>> Hi there spammer, take it somewhere else...
>
> Lay off, Rod.
Should I like say, "Yessir Mr. Benny", and then break out the brown
shoe polish ? Fuck you Yamantaka...
> Did you read anything Dr. Vaknin wrote?
Yes, I have, and he got his plug in for his book.
Did you check
> out his credentials?
Yes, he is the real deal.
> His contribution to this topic and his assessment
> of Chung is right on target.
That I'm not arguing with. My concern was the presence of another
possible spammer of the same caliber as Andrew. Now, if he wants to
contribute to discussions here is another story, as there are far and
again many, many obsessive personalities present on these news groups,
some of them dangerous. As a matter of fact this might be the place to
start another book if he is so inclined.
So my question is simple, does he deal ONLY with narcissistic
personalites, or does he also deal with the obsessive, which Andrew
apparently is a part of ? And is he willing to dispense advice freely
on how to deal with these people effectively, in a setting such as this
one ?
yama...@aol.com
wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
http://behavenet.com/capsules/disorders/narcissisticpd.htm
Nine out of nine! Good job Chung!
Thanks and credit go to Dr. Sam Vankin for the link and for the
excellent links, commentary and descriptions on his website.
Guardian Snow
That looks like an excellent link Doctor, I think I'll add that one to
my web site later;)
http://groups.google.com/group/i-hate-andrew-b-chung-mdphds-spam
Do me a favor and follow these links to complain about him...
http://groups.google.com/group/Groups-Suggestions/browse_thread/thread/d90dc04fe9a6e561
Outside of google go to this page.
http://groups.google.com/support/bin/request.py?contact_type=access
Maybe we should just post these links to his two:)) Hope I've been of
assistance to you Doc!!
yama...@aol.com
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> http://behavenet.com/capsules/disorders/narcissisticpd.htm
>
> Nine out of nine! Good job Chung!
>
> Thanks and credit go to Dr. Sam Vankin for the link and for the
>
> - Show quoted text -
Oops, sorry that I misspelled your name, Sam Vaknin.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Rod
>
> <><
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Love
Cat got your tongue, or is it entangled in your prayer beads ?
Rod
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
" I doubt there is any hope for Chung to rehabilitate into a
productive person" --satan
samvaknin wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Cyber Narcissist
>
> http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/journal67.html
From your link:
"To the narcissist, the Internet is an alluring and irresistible
combination of playground
and hunting grounds, the gathering place of numerous potential Sources
of Narcissistic
Supply, a world where false identities are the norm and mind games the
bon ton. And
it is beyond the reach of the law, the pale of social norms, the
strictures of civilized
conduct.
<snip>
The Internet is an extension of the real-life Narcissistic
Pathological Space but without
its risks, injuries, and disappointments. In the virtual universe of
the Web, the
narcissist vanishes and reappears with ease, often adopting a myriad
aliases and
nicknames. He (or she) can thus fend off criticism, abuse,
disagreement, and
disapproval effectively and in real time – and, simultaneously,
preserve the precarious
balance of his infantile personality. Narcissists are, therefore,
prone to Internet
addiction.
<snip>
The narcissist – ever the intimidating bully – is not accustomed to
such resistance.
Initially, it may heighten and sharpen his paranoia and lead him to
compensate by
extending and deepening his grandiosity. Some narcissists withdraw
altogether,
reverting to the schizoid posture. Others become openly antisocial and
seek to subvert,
sabotage, and destroy the online sources of their frustration. A few
retreat and confine
themselves to the company of adoring sycophants and unquestioning
groupies.
But a long exposure to the culture of the Net – irreverent, skeptical,
and populist –
usually exerts a beneficial effect even on the staunchest and most
rigid narcissist. Far
less convinced of his own superiority and infallibility, the online
narcissist mellows and
begins – hesitantly – to listen to others and to collaborate with
them.
Ultimately, most narcissists - those who are not schizoid and shun
social contact - tire
of the virtual reality that is cyberspace. The typical narcissist
needs "tangible"
narcissistic supply. He craves attention from real, live, people,
flesh and blood. He
strives to see in their eyes their admiration and adulation, the awe
and fear that he
inspires, the approval and affirmation that he elicits.
There is no substitute to human contact, even for the narcissist. Many
narcissists try to
carry online relationships they nurtured into their logical extension
and conclusion
offline. Other burst upon the cyber scene intermittently, vanishing
for long months,
only to dive back in and reappear, reinvigorated. Reality beckons and
few narcissists
resist its siren call.
<snip>
8. How dangerous is narcissism, inside or outside the web?
A. Very dangerous. Just read the list of diagnostic criteria for the
Narcissistic
Personality Disorder (NPD): the narcissist lacks empathy, is arrogant,
exploits people,
is envious, has a strong and unjustified sense of entitlement, and is
obsessive and
delusional. Many narcissists are also psychopaths. Pathological
narcissism is often
diagnosed with other mental health disorders (a phenomenon called "co-
morbidity").
Narcissists are over-represented among criminals, gamblers, and people
with reckless
and inconsiderate behaviors."
*** end of excerpt ***
Comments:
Thankfully, Jesus retains all power and authority in this world, since
HIS resurrection and accension to be at the right hand of GOD the
Father, so that narcisstic satan and his legion of narcisstic
sockpuppets (corporeal demons) remain impotent:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Powerlesssatan
Laus Deo ! ! !
<><
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>
> Cat got your tongue, or is it entangled in your prayer beads ?
Neither.
<><
yama...@aol.com
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/PrayForRod
>
> <><
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Love
Chung is a classic example of a narcissistic personality disordered
person. Unfortunately, his delusions and ideas of reference and his
grandiosity will get in the way of him every getting along in the real
world or being able to practice medicine again. Check out some of Dr.
Sam Vaknin's links above. There's a lot of good info in there.
Continue to report Chung's nonsense to Google by clicking on the "More
options" link on the upper right hand side of the page and completing
the "I am seeing spam" portion of the abuse report.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
yama...@aol.com
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Narcissticsatan
>
> <><
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/TruthCutssatan
Wow, Chung must have read the book on NPD. He meets 9 out of 9 of the
diagnostic criteria and then exhibits all of the behaviors described
in the commentary in the links supplied by Dr. Vaknin.
See excerpts below:
" Patients with Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) feel injured,
humiliated and empty when criticized. They often react with disdain
(devaluation), rage, and defiance to any slight, real or imagined. To
avoid such situations, some patients with Narcissistic Personality
Disorder (NPD) socially withdraw and feign false modesty and humility
to mask their underlying grandiosity. Dysthymic and depressive
disorders are common reactions to isolation and feelings of shame and
inadequacy."
Chung does this by repeatedly calling others "Satan."
"The interpersonal relationships of patients with Narcissistic
Personality Disorder (NPD) are typically impaired due to their lack of
empathy, disregard for others, exploitativeness, sense of entitlement,
and constant need for attention (narcissistic supply). "
Chung's marriage is kaput and he doesn't have any friends or
colleagues.
"Though often ambitious and capable, inability to tolerate setbacks,
disagreement, and criticism make it difficult for patients with
Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) to work in a team or to
maintain long-term professional achievements. The narcissist's
fantastic grandiosity, frequently coupled with a hypomanic mood, is
typically incommensurate with his or her real accomplishments (the
"grandiosity gap")."
Chung embodies the "grandiosity gap"
He compensates for his failures and low self esteem with boasts,
delusions and grandiosity and then tries to transfer his own negative
traits to anyone who points this out to him. He is a wonderful case
example of all of the clinical descriptions in Dr. Vaknin's links.
It's actually pretty interesting to see. Chung is following the manual
to a T.
Look how he has now made a new link called "Narcissisticsatan." If one
actually bothers to click on it and read the whole thread, it just
makes Chung look like an idiot, an idiot with classic NPD.
Good work Chung! You are validating Dr. Vaknin's work and giving him
another real life example for his books and websites.
Athena
(in message
<93b3a7c2-bdab-421a...@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>):
> convicted friend monkfish wrote:
>
>> Incredible.
>> You actually managed to get banned by Google?
>> What is more incedable is that
>> you are not repentant at all.
>
> It has no free will to do anything but satan's will, which is pure
> evil.
That is no way for DejaVuSr to be talking about his son, DejaVuJr
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
> >
> >> > <whine whine whine>
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Whinersatan
> >> Incredible.
> >> You actually managed to get banned by Google?
> >> What is more incedable is that
> >> you are not repentant at all.
>
> That is no way for DejaVuSr to be talking about his son, DejaVuJr
Actually, satan is noone's son but rather simply the source of all
lies:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Liarsatan
<><
yama...@aol.com
At the risk of giving Chung the attention he so desperately craves by
posting further, Here are some more excerpts from Dr Sam Vaknin
regarding narcissistic personality disorder:
"The Internet is an egalitarian medium where people are judged by the
consistency and quality of their contributions rather than by the
content or bombast of their claims. But the narcissist is driven to
distracting discomfiture by a lack of clear and commonly accepted
hierarchy (with himself at the pinnacle). He fervently and
aggressively tries to impose the "natural order" – either by
monopolizing the interaction or, if that fails, by becoming a major
disruptive influence.
But the Internet may also be the closest many narcissists get to
psychodynamic therapy. Because it is still largely text-based, the Web
is populated by disembodied entities. By interacting with these
intermittent, unpredictable, ultimately unknowable, ephemeral, and
ethereal voices – the narcissist is compelled to project unto them his
own experiences, fears, hopes, and prejudices.
Transference (and counter-transference) are quite common on the Net
and the narcissist's defence mechanisms – notably projection and
Projective Identification – are frequently aroused. The therapeutic
process is set in motion by the – unbridled, uncensored, and brutally
honest - reactions to the narcissist's repertory of antics,
pretensions, delusions, and fantasies.
The narcissist – ever the intimidating bully – is not accustomed to
such resistance. Initially, it may heighten and sharpen his paranoia
and lead him to compensate by extending and deepening his grandiosity.
Some narcissists withdraw altogether, reverting to the schizoid
posture. Others become openly antisocial and seek to subvert,
sabotage, and destroy the online sources of their frustration. A few
retreat and confine themselves to the company of adoring sycophants
and unquestioning groupies."
Funny how Chung doesn't have any ability for self-examination and
can't see himself clearly described in the above paragraphs, yet
everyone else can see how it describes his behavior and reactions to
criticism.
Unfortunately for Chung, he doesn't have any adoring sycophants or
unquestioning groupies because he's such a total, unlikable ass of a
narcisist.
Athena
(in message
<c3a68bd0-137a-41db...@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>):
> Athena wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>> convicted friend monkfish wrote:
>>>> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
>>>
>>>>> <whine whine whine>
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Whinersatan
>
>>>> Incredible.
>>>> You actually managed to get banned by Google?
>>>> What is more incedable is that
>>>> you are not repentant at all.
>>
>> That is no way for DejaVuSr to be talking about his son, DejaVuJr
>
> Actually, satan is noone's son but rather simply the source of all
> lies:
Since my comment was about you, DejaVuSr and monkfish, DejaVuJr, it seems
that you view monkfish, DejaVuJr, your son, to be Satan. However in the
previous post you said "Monkfish is at the moment infinitely better off than
either satan ..." So you view monkfish to be Satan and yet monkfish is
better off than Satan.
The does not make sense, but that is consistent with what you normally write,
so at least, you are consistent.
So at least someone could say, that you and your son monkfish, are at least
consistent.
I of course do not mean son in the sense that your sperm contributed to him
(I will let monkfish comment if that is good or ashame it was not that way)
or you adopted him, but only in the spirit that he takes after you.
Agent Haskell, IRS
What's the difference between narcissism and delusions
of reference?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >>> convicted friend monkfish wrote:
> >>>> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
> >>>
> >>>>> <whine whine whine>
> >
> > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Whinersatan
> >
> >>>> Incredible.
> >>>> You actually managed to get banned by Google?
> >>>> you are not repentant at all.
> >>
> >> That is no way for DejaVuSr to be talking about his son, DejaVuJr
> >
> > Actually, satan is noone's son but rather simply the source of all
> > lies:
>
>
> Since my comment was about you, DejaVuSr
My name is Andrew.
Your confusion here simply shows that you are among the lost:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheLost
The brethren of LORD Jesus Christ are neither perfect nor more
special...
... we are simply forgiven by GOD:
http://www.interviewwithgod.com/forgiven/
May you wisely choose to be forgiven too by publicly declaring with
your mouth that "Jesus is LORD:"
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay
Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow
yama...@aol.com
wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
The question is mixing up several terms. Delusions are fixed beliefs
not based in reality and not shared by the general community. Chung's
insistance that the Holy Spirit communicates with him or that Satan
talks to him through Usenet is delusional.
One can be a narcissist and have delusions, such as delusions of
grandiosity and inflated self importance like Chung has.
Her is another excerpt from Dr. Vaknin's FAQs that answers much better
than I can:
Athena
>>
>
> What you, and monkfish, say is really worthless and so do not find it
> irritating, but at times amusing. At least monkfish is not giving medical
> advice and using an MD signature.
> .....
> Your comment about "simply replying in kind" is very interesting as it seems
> that is exactly what you are doing.
>
Then -
On Fri, 9 May 2008 17:23:10 -0500, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote
(in message
<ba244c05-4f2c-46d1...@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>):
> My name is Andrew.
>
> Your confusion here simply shows that you are among the lost: ...
Andrew, thank you for proving my point.
yama...@aol.com
> On Fri, 9 May 2008 16:56:40 -0500, Athena wrote
>
>
>
> > What you, and monkfish, say is really worthless and so do not find it
> > irritating, but at times amusing. At least monkfish is not giving medical
> > advice and using an MD signature.
> > .....
> > Your comment about "simply replying in kind" is very interesting as it seems
> > that is exactly what you are doing.
>
> Then -
>
> On Fri, 9 May 2008 17:23:10 -0500, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote
> (in message
>
> > My name is Andrew.
>
> > Your confusion here simply shows that you are among the lost: ...
>
> Andrew, thank you for proving my point.
More from Dr. Vaknin. It is as though he is describing Chung when he
wrote this:
Narcissists are prone to magical thinking. They hold themselves immune
to the consequences of their actions (or inaction) and, therefore,
beyond punishment and the laws of Man. Narcissists are easily
persuaded to assume unreasonable risks and expect miracles to happen.
They often find themselves on the receiving end of investment scams,
for instance.
Narcissists feel entitled to money, power, and honors incommensurate
with their accomplishments or toil. The world, or God, or the nation,
or society, or their families, co-workers, employers, even neighbors
owe them a trouble-free, exalted, and luxurious existence. They are
rudely shocked when they are penalized for their misconduct or when
their fantasies remain just that.
(Andrew has a rude awakening coming soon when the Georgia Medical
Board next convenes and when the IRS investigates his bogus 2 million
dollar gaurantee or the claim that he sold the domain name
emorycardiology.com for 1 million dollars)
Narcissists attract abuse. Haughty, exploitative, demanding,
insensitive, and quarrelsome – they tend to draw opprobrium and
provoke anger and even hatred. Sorely lacking in interpersonal skills,
devoid of empathy, and steeped in irksome grandiose fantasies – they
invariably fail to mitigate the irritation and revolt that they induce
in others.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
> > > DejaVuSr....
>
> > My name is Andrew.
> >
> > Your confusion here simply shows that you are among the lost:
> >
>
> Andrew, thank you for proving my point.
Not proof of your point but rather simply showing that the Holy Spirit
is absolutely right to convict you:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
You do not have much longer, dear neighbor Athena:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Prophecy
May you wisely choose to repent soon by publicly declaring with your
yama...@aol.com
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> convicted neighbor Athena wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > convicted neighbor Athena wrote:
>
> > > > DejaVuSr....
>
> > > My name is Andrew.
>
> > > Your confusion here simply shows that you are among the lost:
>
> > >http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheLost
>
> > Andrew, thank you for proving my point.
>
> Not proof of your point but rather simply showing that the Holy Spirit
> is absolutely right to convict you:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
>
> You do not have much longer, dear neighbor Athena:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Prophecy
>
> May you wisely choose to repent soon by publicly declaring with your
> mouth that "Jesus is LORD:"
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay
>
> Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords.http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow
Below are more passages from links at Dr. Vaknin's website (gently
edited to shorten the post).
Below is a description of how the patholigical narcissist and liar,
our dear convicted neighbor Chung whose soul has perished, our very
own confabulating, friendless and colleagueless Dr. Chung uses
language:
"In the narcissist's surrealistic world, even language is
pathologized. It mutates into a weapon of self-defence, a
verbalfortification, a medium without a message, replacing words with
duplicitous and ambiguous vocables.
Narcissists don't talk, or communicate. They fend off. They hide and
evade and avoid and disguise. In their planet of capricious and
arbitrary unpredictability, of shifting semiotic and semantic dunes -
they perfect the ability to say nothing in lengthy, Castro-like
speeches.
The ensuing convoluted sentences are arabesques of meaninglessness,
acrobatics of evasion, lack of commitment elevated to an ideology.
It is often impossible to really understand a narcissist. The evasive
syntax fast deteriorates into ever more labyrinthine structures. The
grammar tortured to produce the verbal Doppler shifts essential to
disguise the source of the information, its distance from reality, the
speed of its degeneration into rigid "official" versions.
Narcissists, therefore, never talk to others - rather, they talk at
others, or lecture them. They exchange subtexts, camouflage-wrapped by
elaborate, florid, texts. They read between the lines, spawning a
multitude of private languages, prejudices, superstitions, conspiracy
theories, rumours, phobias and hysterias. Theirs is a solipsistic
world - where communication is permitted only with oneself and the aim
of language is to throw others off the scent or to obtain Narcissistic
Supply.
It is the fact that language is put by narcissists to a different use
- not to communicate but to obscure, not to share but to abstain, not
to learn but to defend and resist, not to teach but to preserve ever
less tenable monopolies.
The rules that govern the narcissist's universe are loopholed
incomprehensibles, open to an exegesis so wide and so self-
contradictory that it renders them meaningless. The narcissist often
hangs himself by his own verbose Gordic knots, having stumbled through
a minefield of logical fallacies and endured self inflicted
inconsistencies. Unfinished sentences hover in the air, like vapour
above a semantic swamp.
With the classic narcissist, language is used cruelly and ruthlessly
to ensnare one's enemies, to saw confusion and panic, to move others
to emulate the narcissist ("projective identification"), to leave the
listeners in doubt, in hesitation, in paralysis, to gain control, or
to punish. Language is enslaved and forced to lie. The language is
appropriated and expropriated. "
(Wow! Perfect description of how Chung uses words and language!)
Dancing Monkey
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Rod
Hey yamantaka, Chung obviously has gotten the point that you want him
to shutup, and it's also apparent that he isn't about to do it. On that
note you need to know that you're approaching a point where you are
retaining nuisance value and should probably find a different subject
more to your liking.
morton...@hotmail.com
> Hey yamantaka, Chung obviously has gotten the point that you want him
> to shutup, and it's also apparent that he isn't about to do it. On that
> note you need to know that you're approaching a point where you are
> retaining nuisance value and should probably find a different subject
> more to your liking.
Hey rod, in the past you did a lot posting which seemed to be
supportive of Chung and then changed 180 degrees and your posts now
also are starting to have repetition too.
Dancing Monkey
"Rod" <ico...@att.net> wrote in message
news:QG7Vj.63$BL6...@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...
> Hey yamantaka, Chung obviously has gotten the point that you want him to
> shutup, and it's also apparent that he isn't about to do it. On that note
> you need to know that you're approaching a point where you are
> retaining nuisance value and should probably find a different subject
> more to your liking.
You expect someone with a NPD to get "the point"?
Please tell me you're kidding.
Rod
Diagnoses by internet ? Where did you study at, quack U ??
get real....
Rod
> On May 9, 9:23 pm, Rod <icom...@att.net> wrote:
>
>> Hey yamantaka, Chung obviously has gotten the point that you want him
>> to shutup, and it's also apparent that he isn't about to do it. On that
>> note you need to know that you're approaching a point where you are
>> retaining nuisance value and should probably find a different subject
>> more to your liking.
>
> Hey rod, in the past you did a lot posting which seemed to be
> supportive of Chung and then changed 180 degrees
I supported Andrew as a friend, but I stopped supporting him when i
saw fist hand all the news groups he is spamming with his incessant
posting. Some christians like it, but not everyone does.
> and your posts now
> also are starting to have repetition too.
Certainly not as lame as yours is....
morton...@hotmail.com
>
> I supported Andrew as a friend, but I stopped supporting him when i
> saw fist hand all the news groups he is spamming with his incessant
> posting. Some christians like it, but not everyone does.
But didn't those early posts of yours just add to the spam Chung was
posting by provoking more responses.
>
> > and your posts now
> > also are starting to have repetition too.
>
> Certainly not as lame as yours is....
My "commentary" was mainly being critical of Chung, which you are
doing now. My way is different from yours now, but the goal is the
same.
It is good that we agree about Chung - the best way to deal with
someone like Chung in these groups is to ignore or killfile him.
If you want to deal with Chung to help him and try to get him to at
least listen, it is far better to do it with a private email to him
rather than openly in these groups.
You can of course do as you wish - but do you think anyone can reach
Chung openly in a usenet Google group.
Zen Cohen
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heart...@emorycardiology.com> wrote in message
news:5357216d-ca9b-4e2c...@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> convicted neighbor Athena wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> > convicted neighbor Athena wrote:
>> >
>> > > DejaVuSr....
>>
>> > My name is Andrew.
>> >
>> > Your confusion here simply shows that you are among the lost:
>> >
>> > http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheLost
>>
>> Andrew, thank you for proving my point.
>
> Not proof of your point but rather simply showing that the Holy Spirit
> is absolutely right to convict you:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
>
> You do not have much longer, dear neighbor Athena:
Fuck you, Andrew, you self-righteous piece of shit. Every time you "convict"
someone you drift further downward into your own little self-made hell.
Phoenix
> Hey yamantaka, Chung obviously has gotten the point that you want him
> to shutup, and it's also apparent that he isn't about to do it. On that
> note you need to know that you're approaching a point where you are
> retaining nuisance value and should probably find a different subject
> more to your liking.
So are you Rod.. your so busy spamming the spammers spammers your a
spammer also..
Ironically, nobody bothered to join in the complaint so I guess all
you damn cry babys can swim in your spam and just shut up!
http://groups.google.com/group/Groups-Suggestions/browse_thread/thread/d90dc04fe9a6e561
http://groups.google.com/group/Google-Groups-Guide
What a freaking idiot.. spamming, the spammers spammers.. and having
the nerve to whine about it. Go swap spit with your blow buddy chung
NOBODY COMPLAINED
monkfish
Yes.
If you are kind and patient enough.
--
monkfish * alt.atheism is removed from the header because trying to prove
the existence of God is prohibited by their undebatable policy.
** Atheists have blind faith in their ability to know of all actual or
possible modes of existence. Such hubris cannot be good for science.
monkfish
You are taking him too seriously.
monkfish
> NOBODY COMPLAINED
Can you stop reading him?
Dancing Monkey
> Diagnoses by internet ? Where did you study at, quack U ??
> get real....
Surely you can't be as ignorant as you sound.
Phoenix
If you spent half the energy you waste spamming and just filed
complaints, he'd be gone.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/PrayForMonkfish
> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
>
> > NOBODY COMPLAINED
>
> Can you stop reading him?
Creatures of darkness are inexorably drawn to the light of the truth,
Who is LORD Jesus Christ.
"I am the way and the truth and the life." -- LORD Jesus Christ
Amen.
Marana tha
<><
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > Who is LORD Jesus Christ.
>
The heart remains targeted by satan's evil schemes.
<><
Sanity's Little Helper
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/CrazySockPuppets
>
> <><
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Warns
The caravan passed
--
David Silverman
aa #2208
Defender of Civilisation
Lord Mayor of Dis
Lawful copyright holder of the term "Earthquack".
Not authentic without this signature.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Rod
> On May 10, 12:23 pm, Rod <icom...@att.net> wrote:
>
>> Hey yamantaka, Chung obviously has gotten the point that you want him
>> to shutup, and it's also apparent that he isn't about to do it. On that
>> note you need to know that you're approaching a point where you are
>> retaining nuisance value and should probably find a different subject
>> more to your liking.
>
> So are you Rod.. your so busy spamming the spammers spammers your a
> spammer also..
And so are you ! Your comments and mine in this instance are really
unqualified and false. Neither of us are stand to make any money and all
of us are pretty tired of the crap. Regardless we are making it worse by
the constant harassing of Andrew and complaining about it. Going after
Andy has done nothing but feed his ego, flatter him with attention
and eat up the bandwidth with whining.
The better way is just to filter him. It costs us nothing and it's
effective IF you adjust your filters propperly.
I for one use Mozilla T-bird, and the filters are set for the OR
condition, in other words <From & contains & Andrew B. Chung = 0>,
and the following filter is like it, <Subject & contains & Chung = 0>,
but T-bird allows you to set the filter to allow certain people thru
only and block the rest, however you must specify who those people are
in the filter setup.
>
> Ironically, nobody bothered to join in the complaint so I guess all
> you damn cry babys can swim in your spam and just shut up!
Why join in a group complaint to google ? They are just going to
force you to do the very thing that you should have done to begin with,
USE YOUR FILTERS !
Face it people, it IS our fault we are complaining, no one elses !
Most browsers come with filters and instructions for operating them.
The only time I see a hint of Andrew posting is when something I
haven't made provision for in the filter slips past..
I suggest that we use these filters. They aren't that hard to setup
unless you're a total fuck up in which case you probably shouldn't be
posting here for fear of ending up like Andrew has with no one to talk
with...
Rod
Rod
> Zen Cohen wrote:
>
>> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heart...@emorycardiology.com> wrote in
>> message
>> news:5357216d-ca9b-4e2c...@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>>> convicted neighbor Athena wrote:
>>>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>>>> convicted neighbor Athena wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> DejaVuSr....
>>>>> My name is Andrew.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your confusion here simply shows that you are among the lost:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheLost
>>>> Andrew, thank you for proving my point.
>>> Not proof of your point but rather simply showing that the Holy Spirit
>>> is absolutely right to convict you:
>>>
>>> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
>>>
>>> You do not have much longer, dear neighbor Athena:
>> Fuck you, Andrew, you self-righteous piece of shit. Every time you
>> "convict" someone you drift further downward into your own little
>> self-made hell.
>
All right Zen, here's what you do; ignore him. Don't go to his
websites any longer, and set up your filters to stop him cold ! if
this doesn't satisfy you then there is a more drastic remedy known
as Ping. It comes with the windows platform and here's what you do:
Go to the command prompt and type ..> ping (address 000.000.000.000)
-l -f -j -n (for number of ping requests, for instance sub 200 for n)
Have fun.
>
> You are taking him too seriously.
>
>
yes, everyone is.
morton...@hotmail.com
>
> I suggest that we use these filters. They aren't that hard to setup
> unless you're a total fuck up in which case you probably shouldn't be
> posting here for fear of ending up like Andrew has with no one to talk
> with...
>
> Rod
Good advice, BUT as of yesterday you responded to Chung twice:
1.
From: Rod <ico...@att.net>
Newsgroups: sci.med.cardiology, alt.christnet.christianlife,
alt.christnet.evangelical, alt.christnet.theology,
alt.christnet.prayer
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/PrayForRod
>
> <><
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Love
Cat got your tongue, or is it entangled in your prayer beads ?
Rod
2.
From: Rod <ico...@att.net>
Newsgroups: sci.med.cardiology, alt.christnet.christianlife,
alt.christnet.evangelical, alt.christnet.theology,
alt.christnet.prayer
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> convicted friend Rod wrote:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/PrayForRod
>
>> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
>>> I've been banned from google ...
>
> <snip>
>
>> Why bother blaming a troll for being what he is ?
>
> Trolls are mythological creatures that do not exist.
At one time in mans development, so were microbes and molecules...
>
> Otoh, satan and his legion of sockpuppets are real and are inexorably
> drawn to the light of the truth, Who is LORD Jesus Christ. They have
> no free will to do anything but evil since killing their souls by
> blaspheming against the Holy Spirit:
The existence of a hostile entity has been proven, at least to me.
However, that is a far cry from assuming it's name is "satan", for
lack
of a better term ? It's a big universe, and man is an arrogant and
selfish creature so it comes as no surprise that he would consider
himself at the top of the food chain.
You DO have some proof to offer, don't you ? I mean, it isn't
unreasonable for you to search for evidence of a disease when you are
diagnosing someone, so there isn;t any difference in our approaches
in this one little respect. Just as the patients life may depend on
the evidence you have for making a diagnoses so my decision to believe
rests on the same needs...evidence..
I'm all eyes and ears, Andrew.....and waiting...
Rod
morton...@hotmail.com
>
> All right Zen, here's what you do; ignore him. Don't go to his
> websites any longer, and set up your filters to stop him cold ! if
> this doesn't satisfy you then there is a more drastic remedy known
> as Ping. It comes with the windows platform and here's what you do:
>
> Go to the command prompt and type ..> ping (address 000.000.000.000)
> -l -f -j -n (for number of ping requests, for instance sub 200 for n)
And also set the filters for all those who complain about Chung and
also those who complain about the complainers and then if it keeps up,
filter out those who complain about the complainers complaining about
the complainers and then if it keeps up, filter out .....
yama...@aol.com
For now, it's more fun to deconstruct Chung's behavior. As per he
traits of pathological Narcissistic Personality Disorder on Dr.
Vaknin's website.
Doesn't the next sentance describe Chung to a T?
"Behaves arrogantly and haughtily. Feels superior, omnipotent,
omniscient, invincible, immune, "above the law", and omnipresent
(magical thinking). Rages when frustrated, contradicted, or confronted
by people he or she considers inferior to him or her and unworthy."
It's also fun to keep reporting Chung's spam abuse and multiple Google
accounts.
It will also be interesting to see what happens when the Georgia
Medical Board next convenes.
morton...@hotmail.com
>
> For now, it's more fun to deconstruct Chung's behavior. As per he
> traits of pathological Narcissistic Personality Disorder on Dr.
> Vaknin's website.
>
> Doesn't the next sentance describe Chung to a T?
>
> "Behaves arrogantly and haughtily. Feels superior, omnipotent,
> omniscient, invincible, immune, "above the law", and omnipresent
> (magical thinking). Rages when frustrated, contradicted, or confronted
> by people he or she considers inferior to him or her and unworthy."
>
> It's also fun to keep reporting Chung's spam abuse and multiple Google
> accounts.
>
> It will also be interesting to see what happens when the Georgia
> Medical Board next convenes.
OK, it is fun for you to be repetitive with your posts, but do you
think that anything funny stops being funny after the umteenth time?
After how many times of my posting a really funny joke, would that
smile turn into a frown?
We know Ching is an MD, but all we have is user name and your
statement that you are a board certified internist who is "practicing"
psychiatry.
Just when does the Georgia Medical Board meet - you keep telling us,
but it seems to be always "tomorrow." How fast do you expect the IRS
to look into what is obviously a lie about the millions of dollars -
what is your estimate of a time so we can know when you keep posting
that Chung should be worried - next week, next month, next year?
I would expect that your usual posts, Chung's usual posts, Rod's usual
posts and monkfish's usual posts will continue as usual.
yama...@aol.com
mortonmull, if you doubt that I am legitimate or you don't believe
anything I have to say has merit, then please...feel free to killfile
me or to stop reading my posts. Also feel free not to reply if you
think I am FOS.
morton...@hotmail.com
>
> mortonmull, if you doubt that I am legitimate or you don't believe
> anything I have to say has merit, then please...feel free to killfile
> me or to stop reading my posts. Also feel free not to reply if you
> think I am FOS.
On these groups most posters are anonymous and so have to judge each
poster on what he/she posts.
Chung, who evidently is an MD, posts the same absurdities over and
over.
So far all we know about you is that you say you are a board certified
internist and that the Georgia Board contacted you and that you say
Chung is in trouble with the Board - from what Chung posts here, it
does not take a "rocket scientist" or a psychiatrist to know Chung is
crazy and should not be practicing medicine - and that the IRS is
going to look into Chung.
To think that he really has that money is as absurd as Chung's posts
and if all Chung did was not to respond to your request for
information, the "Foundation" will sometime in the future get a letter
telling them not to do it again. If an IRS looks at the complaint and
the Foundation, I wonder what he/she will think.
Complaining to Google about Chung or anyone else will not be a long
term solution. To long onto Google groups all you need is any of the
free Google, Hotmail or Yahoo email accounts and you can start all
over again. If you use one of the many readers, you can use any made-
up email address so just need to switch around or every couple of days
use a new one by simply adding number john...@fool.com,
john...@fool.com etc.
True, someone (or even a sock puppet) may come onto the group and take
Chung's advice despite the absurdities of what Chung posts, so if they
believe him, why should they believe you? There is a "sucker born
every minute" and no one will stop the sucker from being a sucker.
The only way to deal with Chung is to NOT reply to anything he posts
or to start any posts about him whether that is arguing, complaining
or even making fun of him because that is exactly what Chung, and
other trolls, really want. If you want to "get" the way to do that is
to ignore him.
Even posts like this, Chung loves, because it keeps him in the center
of attention of SMC which is exactly what he wants.
monkfish
> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> said:
>
>> Creatures of darkness are inexorably drawn to the light of the truth,
>> Who is LORD Jesus Christ.
>
> And this has precisely what to do with cardiology? I can see *some*
> argument for the other groups, but...?
Another anti-troll spam?
The best way to deal with trolling is
to keep on posting substantive and on-topic messages.
But even some of the doctors here are
turning into anti-trolling spammers.
Do you know anything about cardiology?
monkfish
Dear clueless:
The best way is to post plenty of
substantive and on-topic messages.
Are you actually interested in cardiology?
panam...@hotmail.com
> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> said:
>
> > Who is LORD Jesus Christ.
>
> argument for the other groups, but...?
Andrew was a cardiologist before his mind melted.
-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015/KoBAAWA!
J666
(in message <Xns9A9AE4423F9FF...@216.196.109.145>):
> No, I'm afraid not. I'm from over at alt.atheism. I just wondered what
> the link was with this guy, if any. Sorry if I've added to the spam load.
> I'll let you get on. :o)
Do not feel bad - most here are not interested in cardiology or nor are
doctors or nor people with cardiac problems.
There are some from other groups like alt.chistnet.theology who will
sometimes post here exclusively even though they say they are only interested
in theology.
I've added back your group which because your response was set to come only
to SMC and not alt.atheism so you could not see any responses.
Any responses to this will come from readers of only this and your group.
Best not to feed trolls.
Don Kirkman
<d0212136-05c1-4aa7...@34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>:
>Midwinter wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> > Creatures of darkness are inexorably drawn to the light of the truth,
>> > Who is LORD Jesus Christ.
>> And this has precisely what to do with cardiology?
>The heart remains targeted by satan's evil schemes.
And of course this is the *heart* as mind, ideation, consciousness, not the
*heart* of cardiology and medical science. As for satan's evil schemes, I guess
one has to be in close touch with satan to know about his/her/its schemes. The
word "satan" itself simply means "adversary" and is used as part of a
metaphorical model of the duality of good and bad in the world.
Four thousand year old psychology lacks a few of the bells and whistles of
post-Freudian thinking.
John Baker
Then why are you feeding 'monkfish'?
Preventer of Work
Hey Chungwanker, you forgot a link!
Remember, your recipe calls for TWO links, one above and one below your
fish thing. Too much caffiene make your mouse slip on that copy and paste?
Sanity's Little Helper
Well, one thing's for sure: Neither you nor Chung are.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
J666
(in message <1aw0xna5106ni.1...@40tude.net>):
> Well, one thing's for sure: Neither you nor Chung are.
Chung is the only dangerous one as he is an MD and so the fear is that
someone will believe him with the MD/PhD signature whereas most others just
have a user name.
There is actual very few substantive posts about cardiology - all the
theology post are not appropriate, and many are not even substantive for the
theology issues, but are only here because of what Chung posts so we end up
with others, including "theology trolls," responding to Chungs "theology"
posts.
Rod
> On Fri, 9 May 2008 15:11:25 -0500, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote
> (in message
> <c3a68bd0-137a-41db...@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>):
>
>> Athena wrote:
>>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>>>> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
>> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Whinersatan
>>
>>>>> Incredible.
>>>>> You actually managed to get banned by Google?
>>>>> What is more incedable is that
>>>>> you are not repentant at all.
>>> That is no way for DejaVuSr to be talking about his son, DejaVuJr
>> Actually, satan is noone's son but rather simply the source of all
>> lies:
>
> Since my comment was about you, DejaVuSr and monkfish, DejaVuJr, it seems
> that you view monkfish, DejaVuJr, your son, to be Satan. However in the
> previous post you said "Monkfish is at the moment infinitely better off than
> either satan ..." So you view monkfish to be Satan and yet monkfish is
> better off than Satan.
Actually he is using the term satan to indicate varying degrees
of evil in the persons character, and speaking at that evil,
not to the person. Once that person allows such a destructive force
to dominate their thoughts they are generally thought to be
unreachable, and as life takes this turn it is also a given
that you may know someone like this. There are many on the net
that are like that with no remorse for the harm their words can cause,
because they do not recognize the harm they are causing, seeing
it as great fun.
Hence they are considered a "satan", or evil if you prefer.,but it
does exist and those giving in to it are simply to involved in their
own actions to see what it does to them.
Rod
Rod
one ?
Rod
Prove to you ? What possible excuse would I make for caring what you
believe ? Other than the fact that your words are no more than an
attempt to manipulate my beliefs to fit limitations forced on you by birth.
Take your foolishness to some that appreciates it..
Rod
> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heart...@emorycardiology.com> wrote in message
> news:5357216d-ca9b-4e2c...@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> DejaVuSr....
>>>> My name is Andrew.
>>>>
>>>> Your confusion here simply shows that you are among the lost:
>>>>
>>>> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheLost
>>> Andrew, thank you for proving my point.
>> Not proof of your point but rather simply showing that the Holy Spirit
>> is absolutely right to convict you:
>>
>> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
>>
>> You do not have much longer, dear neighbor Athena:
>
> Fuck you, Andrew, you self-righteous piece of shit. Every time you "convict"
> someone you drift further downward into your own little self-made hell.
>
>
Seriously Zen, why does Andrew's descending into a self made hell
bother you so much ? Athena is in no danger, and Andrew is certainly
not a prophet, unless you have reason to believe he could be ?
Rod
yama...@aol.com
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From: Rod <icom...@att.net>
Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 09:49:36 -0500
Local: Fri, May 9 2008 7:49 am
Subject: Re: I doubt there is any hope for Chung to rehabilitate into
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yamant...@aol.com wrote:
> On May 9, 5:27 am, Rod <icom...@att.net> wrote:
>> samvaknin wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> Cyber Narcissist
>>> http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/journal67.html
>>> For a more detailed view of pathological narcissism and the
>>> Narcissistic
>>> Personality Disorder (NPD) - click on these links:
>>> http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/npdglance.html
>>> http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/narcissismglance.html
>>> Other Personality Disorders
>>> http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/faqpd.html
>>> Pathological Narcissism and Other Mental Health Disorders
>>> http://malignantselflove.tripod.com/faq82.html
>>> NPD (Narcissistic Personality Disorder) and AsPD (Antisocial
>>> Personality
>>> Disorder, Psychopathy, or Sociopathy)
>>> http://samvak.tripod.com/personalitydisorders16.html
>>> http://samvak.tripod.com/personalitydisorders15.html
>>> Sam
>> Hi there spammer, take it somewhere else...
> Lay off, Rod.
Rod says,
"Should I like say, "Yessir Mr. Benny", and then break out the
brown
shoe polish ? Fuck you Yamantaka..."
Right back at you, big guy.
Chung suffers from pathological Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
Examples of behavior and criteria for the diagnosis are clearly
discussed in Dr. Vaknin's links.
OTOH, Rod is an ignorant blow hard who has nothing substantial to add
to a conversation. He proved that by not even having read the content
of any of Dr. Vaknin's links and telling Dr. Vaknin that he (Vaknin)
was spamming his book.
morton...@hotmail.com
>
> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> >> convicted friend Rod wrote:
> > You DO have some proof to offer, don't you ?
>
> Prove to you ? What possible excuse would I make for caring what you
> believe ? Other than the fact that your words are no more than an
> attempt to manipulate my beliefs to fit limitations forced on you by birth.
>
> Take your foolishness to some that appreciates it..
First, I was pointing out that what you said about posting was not
what you were doing - I see no rebuttal of that.
Second - wasn't the statement to which YOU said "Prove to you ?" YOUR
statement "You DO have some proof to offer, don't you ?" so it seems
your comments really apply to you?
I am posting your message again which shows YOU said it:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/PrayForRod
> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> convicted neighbor Athena wrote:
> >>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >>>> convicted neighbor Athena wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> DejaVuSr....
>
> >>>> My name is Andrew.
> >>>>
> >>>> Your confusion here simply shows that you are among the lost:
> >>>>
> >>>> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheLost
>
> >>> Andrew, thank you for proving my point.
>
> >> Not proof of your point but rather simply showing that the Holy Spirit
> >> is absolutely right to convict you:
> >>
> >> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
> >>
> >> You do not have much longer, dear neighbor Athena:
> >>
> >> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Prophecy
> >>
> > Fuck you, Andrew, you self-righteous piece of shit. Every time you "convict"
> > someone you drift further downward into your own little self-made hell.
>
> Seriously Zen, why does Andrew's descending into a self made hell
> bother you so much ?
Clearly, it has no free will to do anything but satan's will, which is
pure evil:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Despairingsatan
<><
Zen Cohen
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
news:f2f1ab57-2758-4808...@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Andrew, does this include the times I do volunteer work or give money to
charity? Are those acts "pure evil" and "satan's will"? Answer: Clearly no,
you dumbass. It's statements that yours above that prove you're the one with
no free will because you have no capacity to look at things other than
through your bizarre and fictitious little construct of good and evil, no
matter what exists in reality.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/PrayForDon
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> >Midwinter wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> >> > Creatures of darkness are inexorably drawn to the light of the truth,
> >> > Who is LORD Jesus Christ.
>
> >> And this has precisely what to do with cardiology?
>
> >The heart remains targeted by satan's evil schemes.
>
> And of course this is the *heart* as mind, ideation, consciousness...
Incorrect. This would be the heart of the soul.
> not the *heart* of cardiology and medical science.
This would be the heart of the cardiac diagnosis of "broken heart
syndrome."
Clearly, you continue to be guided by the spirit of error (self).
This simply shows that the Holy Spirit remains absolutely right to
convict you:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
May we, who are Christians, continue to pray for your perishing soul,
dear Don:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/PrayForDon
<><
yama...@aol.com
> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote in messagenews:f2f1ab57-2758-4808...@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Dr. Sam Vaknin is an expert on Narcissistic Personality Disorder. NPD.
Andrew suffers from pathological NPD. Below is an excerpt from Dr.
Vaknin's website detailing some of the traits of those with NPD. It is
as though Dr. Vaknin has Chung in mind when he wrote the sentence.
"Behaves arrogantly and haughtily. Feels superior, omnipotent,
omniscient, invincible, immune, "above the law", and omnipresent
(magical thinking). Rages when frustrated, contradicted, or confronted
by people he or she considers inferior to him or her and unworthy."
Report Chung's abuse and spam posts to Google. He is too mentally ill
to see the error of his ways. Chung is an ego-syntonic, regressed
narcissist. Something went very wrong in his upbringing and
socialization. He will only continue to get worse and more disruptive.
yama...@aol.com
wrote:
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Narcissticsatan
For an interesting link to a reliable expert on Narcissistc
personality disorder, (NPD) Dr. Sam Vaknin, click on Chung's link and
read the whole thread.
All of the traits of NPD accurately describe Chung and his behaviors.
In fact, he meets 9 out of the 9 diagnostic criteria for NPD.
His own inability to see that and his behavior of projecting these
traits on others and calling them satan are part of Chung's own
disordered
personality. It's pretty funny to watch him squirm.
It's also pretty funny seeing Chung get all bothered when no one
responds to his posts other than to mark him with 1 star for "poor"
and report him to Google for spam.
Don Kirkman
>convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
>> >Midwinter wrote:
>> >> And this has precisely what to do with cardiology?
>> >The heart remains targeted by satan's evil schemes.
>> And of course this is the *heart* as mind, ideation, consciousness...
>Incorrect. This would be the heart of the soul.
Your argument, of course, is with the culture that developed Hebrew and other
Semitic languages, not with me. I'm merely reporting a fact. BTW, "soul" in
this context means the life force, not a separate entity, so you're using two
metaphors and mixing them in a totally unique way. Naughty naughty.
>> not the *heart* of cardiology and medical science.
>This would be the heart of the cardiac diagnosis of "broken heart
>syndrome."
Either that or the result of a temporary adrenalin imbalance. Apparently
triggered by sudden stress, the system temporarily mimics a cardiovascular
incident. And it has nothing to do with the ancient Semitic psychology that
placed mental processes in the heart rather than in the brain.
[Begin]
Now, researchers at Johns Hopkins have discovered that sudden emotional stress
can also result in severe but reversible heart muscle weakness that mimics a
classic heart attack. Patients with this condition, called stress
cardiomyopathy but known colloquially as ?broken heart? syndrome, are often
misdiagnosed with a massive heart attack when, indeed, they have suffered from a
days-long surge in adrenalin (epinephrine) and other stress hormones that
temporarily ?stun? the heart.
?Our study should help physicians distinguish between stress cardiomyopathy and
heart attacks,? says study lead author and cardiologist Ilan Wittstein, M.D., an
assistant professor at The Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine and its
Heart Institute. ?And it should also reassure patients that they have not had
permanent heart damage.?
[End]
http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/press_releases/2005/02_10_05.html
samvaknin
Delusions of Reference
The counterfactual conviction that unrelated events and people are
somehow specifically meaningful to the person and intentionally
effected. A patient with delusions of reference is convinced that he
is the topic of malicious gossip, the victim of pranks, or the
recipient of messages (for instance, through the media). See also:
idea of reference, persecutory delusion.
The Narcissist's Ideas of Reference
http://samvak.tripod.com/ideasreference.html
Psychological Signs and Symptoms
http://samvak.tripod.com/personalitydisorders42.html
Psychosis, Delusions, and Personality Disorders
http://samvak.tripod.com/personalitydisorders69.html
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
yama...@aol.com
Ma N'sh Ma Sam.
Chung so well illustrates every trait, characteristic and behaviour
that you mention on your site. He gets 9 out of 9 of the DSM
characteristics for diagnosis of NPD plus he meets all of your
suggested revisions and amendments to the diagnosis. Way to go Chung!
What an accomplishment.
Thank you Dr. Vaknin for posting so much useful information and
excerpts from your books and interviews.
I especially like this quote from your site as pertains to Chung:
Question:
I met many narcissists who are modest – even self-effacing. This seems
to conflict with your observations. How do you reconcile the two?
Answer:
The "modesty" displayed by narcissists is false. It is mostly and
merely verbal. It is couched in flourishing phrases, emphasised to
absurdity, repeated unnecessarily – usually to the point of causing
gross inconvenience to the listener. The real aim of such behaviour
and its subtext are exactly the opposite of common modesty.
It is intended to either aggrandise the narcissist or to protect his
grandiosity from scrutiny and possible erosion. Such modest outbursts
precede inflated, grandiosity-laden statements made by the narcissist
and pertaining to fields of human knowledge and activity in which he
is sorely lacking.
Devoid of systematic and methodical education, the narcissist tries to
make do with pompous, or aggressive mannerisms, bombastic
announcements, and the unnecessary and wrong usage of professional
jargon. He attempts to dazzle his surroundings with apparent
"brilliance" and to put possible critics on the defence.
Beneath all this he is shallow, ignorant, improvising, and fearful of
being exposed as deceitful. The narcissist is a conjurer of verbosity,
using sleight of mouth rather than sleight of hand. He is ever
possessed by the fear that he is really a petty crook about to be
unearthed and reviled by society.
This is a horrible feeling to endure and a taxing, onerous way to
live. The narcissist has to protect himself from his own premonitions,
from his internal semipternal trial, his guilt, shame, and anxiety.
One of the more efficacious defence mechanisms is false modesty.
The narcissist publicly chastises himself for being unfit, unworthy,
lacking, not trained and not (formally) schooled, not objective,
cognisant of his own shortcomings and vain. This way, if (or, rather,
when) exposed he could always say: "But I told you so in the first
place, haven't I?" False modesty is, thus an insurance policy. The
narcissist "hedges his bets" by placing a side bet on his own
fallibility, weakness, deficiencies and proneness to err.
Yet another function is to extract Narcissistic Supply from the
listener. By contrasting his own self-deprecation with a brilliant,
dazzling display of ingenuity, wit, intellect, knowledge, or beauty –
the narcissist aims to secure an adoring, admiring, approving, or
applauding protestation from the listener.
The person to whom the falsely modest statement is addressed is
expected to vehemently deny the narcissist's claims: "But, really, you
are more of an expert than you say!", or "Why did you tell me that you
are unable to do (this or that)? Truly, you are very gifted!" "Don't
put yourself down so much - you are a generous man!"
The narcissist then shrugs, smirks, blushes and moves uncomfortably
from side to side. This was not his intention, he assures his
interlocutor. He did not mean to fish for compliments (exactly what he
did mean to do). He really does not deserve the praise. But the aim
has, thus, been achieved: the Narcissistic Supply has been doled out
and avidly consumed. Despite the narcissist's protestations, he feels
much better now.
The narcissist is a dilettante and a charlatan. He glosses over
complicated subjects and situations in life. He sails through them
powered by shallow acquaintance with rapidly acquired verbal and
behavioural vocabularies (which he then promptly proceeds to forget).
False modesty is only one of a series of feigned behaviours. The
narcissist is a pathological liar, either implicitly or explicitly.
His whole existence is a derivative of a False Self, his deceitful
invention and its reflections. With false modesty he seeks to involve
others in his mind games, to co-opt them, to force them to collaborate
while making ultimate use of social conventions of conduct.
The narcissist, above all, is a shrewd manipulator, well-acquainted
with human nature and its fault lines. No narcissist will ever admit
to it. In this sense, narcissists are really modest.
yama...@aol.com
Dr. Vaknin,
I find it interesting that Chung always uses a profile photo that is
more than fifteen years old: http://heartmdphd.com/ac.asp
rather than this more recent one from 2004: http://heartmdphd.com/gifs/perdue1.jpg
Is this a manifestation of his somatic narcissism? He has also claimed
to be able to do hundreds of push ups. Other than that he hasn't
really made any physical boasts. I do find it humorous that the hit
count on his website is set to indicate > 50 million hits.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Rod
Get over it. Take two suppositories and pull your head from your ass
in the morning....
Rod
Rod
Hey man, just blow him off ! I posted to you and I got his opinion,
and frankly it isn't worth the stress it has caused.
monkfish
Are you interested in cardiology at all?
--
monkfish * alt.atheism is removed from the header because trying to prove
the existence of God is prohibited by their undebatable policy.
** Atheists have blind faith in their ability to know of all actual or
possible modes of existence. Such hubris cannot be good for science.