Re: Meter with least expensive test strips?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
it is supposed to be. which is between 70 - 90 mg/dL.
Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
Andrew <><
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
Swordbearer for the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Sword
Texas Gen wrote:
> Hi----
>
> My meter just died and I'll be getting a replacement right away. Does
> anyone have advice on a meter that has test strips and lancets that are the
> least expensive?
>
> And here's some news----apparently added to my manic depression (diagnosed
> '83 before it was "cool" to be bipolar) is early onset dementia that began
> about 2 years ago. After a million tests (the spinal tap was especially
> fun) the final doctor I was sent to at SW Med School in Dallas (the center
> for Alzheimer's study in this area) said it is probably related to "50 years
> of mental illness beating the hell out of my brain" [his words not mine].
> They won't say it is Alzheimer's but do call it a progressive dementia.
>
> Sorry---that's off-topic, and there other support groups for this, but I was
> sitting here today drawing blood and thinking who was going to do this after
> I forgot how. Most of the dementia support groups are actually for
> caregivers, and the manic-depression support group is depressing. So I just
> wandered into this OT comment tonight. I promise I won't do it again. :-)
>
> Anyway, back to my basic question of a meter that uses affordable strips and
> lancets. . . . .
>
> Thank you for this support group.
>
> Warmest Regards,
>
> Donna
tr...@is-best.com
In response to a post mostly about glucose meters and a mental disorder
we find the irrelevant:
"It is when we are hungry, our blood glucose is more likely to be where
it is supposed to be. which is between 70 - 90 mg/dL."
Not only irrelevant but medically false both as to hunger and glucose
numbers in the normal range.
God bless.
Tiger_Lily
when your bg is high is when you are more likely to feel hungry
we cannot tell what our bg level is by 'how we feel', that's why testing
is important
Chung's 'advice' here is dangerous
kate
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> "It is when we are hungry, our blood glucose is more likely to be where
>
> Not only irrelevant but medically false both as to hunger and glucose
> numbers in the normal range.
Incorrect.
Reference#1:
Diabetes Technol Ther. 2007 Aug;9(4):363-71.
BACKGROUND: Physiological models are frequently used to predict blood
glucose values from insulin and meal data of people with diabetes.
Obviously, errors in the input data used result in prediction errors.
A more complex problem is that no model may include all factors
influencing the blood glucose level in any given situation. We have
analyzed the influence of five parameters on prediction accuracy with
respect to the time horizon. METHODS: A physiological model,
consisting of an insulin model, a meal model, and a glucose metabolism
model in combination with a Monte Carlo simulation, was used for this
investigation. It was used to examine the change in blood glucose
following the intake of carbohydrate and insulin. The intra-individual
variability, which was studied, included pharmacokinetic variability
of insulin aspart and estimation error of carbohydrate intake, as well
as the accuracy of blood glucose meters and insulin pens. RESULTS:
Simulations showed how the coefficient of variance for the different
model compartments changes over time. For average people with diabetes
the inaccuracies of blood glucose meters and carbohydrate estimates
contribute to more than half of the variance. CONCLUSION: We showed
how blood glucose prediction is severely affected by the inaccuracy in
the input variables. Metabolic fluctuations, causing variability in
insulin dynamics, also display important effects, but these are
difficult to change. The inaccuracy of carbohydrate counting and the
use of blood glucose meters appear to be the two main sources of
error, which can be reduced through better patient education.
Reference#2:
Methods Inf Med. 2007;46(5):553-7.
OBJECTIVES: How accurate can trained clinicians predict blood glucose
concentrations? Good clinical treatment is, among other things,
related to understanding the factors influencing blood glucose level.
We analyze trained clinician's prediction accuracy in comparison with
selected computer-implemented prediction algorithms and models.
METHODS: We have in this study included diaries of 12 people with type
1 diabetes. This test group consists of seven males and five females,
ages 24 to 60, HbA1c 6.0 to 8.9 and a BMI between 20 and 28 kg/m2.
Eight experienced clinicians tried to predict the blood glucose
measurements based on minimum three days of diary history. Selected
prediction algorithms and models were used for comparison. The reason
we focus on type 1 diabetes is that it has the most critical insulin
requirement, so accurate prediction can be more critical than for type
2. RESULTS: An accuracy of 28.5% and an error of 26.7% were found from
predictions made by the clinicians. A physiological model and an
artificial intelligence model showed higher accuracy of 32.2% and
34.2% in comparison with the clinicians (p<0.05). A simple predictor
algorithm based on the mean blood glucose history showed significant
(p<0.05) lower total root mean square error compared to predictions
made by the clinicians. CONCLUSION: To predict blood glucose level
from diaries has shown to be profoundly difficult even for experienced
clinicians in comparison with predictions from computer algorithms and
models. This suggests that computer-based systems incorporating
predicting algorithms and models are likely to contribute positively
to the day-to-day treatment of people with diabetes.
Reference#3:
Crit Rev Food Sci Nutr. 2003;43(4):357-77
Historically, carbohydrates have been thought to play only a minor
role in promoting weight gain and in predicting the risk of
development of chronic disease. Most of the focus had been on reducing
total dietary fat. During the last 20 years, fat intake decreased,
while the number of individuals who were overweight or developed a
chronic conditions have dramatically increased. Simultaneously, the
calories coming from carbohydrate have also increased. Carbohydrates
can be classified by their post-prandial glycemic effect, called the
glycemic index or glycemic load. Carbohydrates with high glycemic
indexes and high glycemic loads produce substantial increases in blood
glucose and insulin levels after ingestion. Within a few hours after
their consumption, blood sugar levels begin to decline rapidly due to
an exaggerated increase in insulin secretion. A profound state of
hunger is created. The continued intake of high-glycemic load meals is
associated with an increased risk of chronic diseases such as obesity,
cardiovascular disease, and diabetes. In this review, the terms
glycemic index and glycemic load are defined, coupled with an overview
of short- and long-term changes that occur from eating diets of
different glycemic indexes and glycemic loads. Finally, practical
strategies for how to design low-glycemic-load diets consisting
primarily of low-glycemic carbohydrates are provided.
For emphasis:
"Within a few hours after their consumption, blood sugar levels begin
to decline rapidly due to an exaggerated increase in insulin
secretion. A profound state of hunger is created."
For recall:
"It is when we are hungry, our blood glucose is more likely to be
where it is supposed to be, which is between 70 - 90 mg/dL." --
Andrew, in the Holy Spirit.
Bottom line:
You, satan, remain the liar who is the source of all lies as described
in Scripture.
May we, who are Jesus' brethren, continue to rebuke you at each GOD-
given opportunity as GOD desires:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Rebukesatan
<><
May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as the Son of
Man ...
... by being hungrier:
http://TruthRUS.org/KnowingGOD
Hunger is wonderful :-)
It's how we know what GOD wants, which is what is good.
Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives.
Those who suffer from the powerful delusion predicted by the prophecy
of 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11 would deny this and perish ( gone !!! )
forever ...
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyOne
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyTwo
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyThree
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyFour
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob
... gone:
http://YouTube.com/watch?v=Qb6d_z5C35E
Such will be the demise of all those who refuse to know **and** love
the truth, Who is LORD Jesus Christ:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/BeBlessed
"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...
... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)
Amen.
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Luke6_21
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > It is when we are hungry, our blood glucose is more likely to be where
> >
> > http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart
>
> unfortunately, Chung has NO background in diabetes
Incorrect.
> when your bg is high is when you are more likely to feel hungry
Incorrect again.
"Within a few hours after their consumption, blood sugar levels begin
to decline rapidly due to an exaggerated increase in insulin
secretion. A profound state of hunger is created."
Source:
Crit Rev Food Sci Nutr. 2003;43(4):357-77.
> we cannot tell what our bg level is by 'how we feel', that's why testing
> is important
When we are hungry, we can be reasonably confident that we are
euglycemic.
> Chung's 'advice' here is dangerous
No advice given.
Your false witness here is forgiven by me.
This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict
you:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
You really do not have much longer, dear Kate.
May you wisely choose to repent by publicly declaring with your mouth
that "Jesus is LORD:"
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay
Zen Cohen
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@emorycardiology.com> wrote in message
news:a83c80f6-eed5-46a3...@72g2000hsu.googlegroups.com...
> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed:
>>
>> "It is when we are hungry, our blood glucose is more likely to be where
>> it is supposed to be, which is between 70 - 90 mg/dL." -- Andrew, in the
>> Holy Spirit.
>>
>> Not only irrelevant but medically false both as to hunger and glucose
>> numbers in the normal range.
>
> Incorrect.
>
Andy, that's great you've exerted all that energy into backing up your
position on a noncontroversial trivial point with what appear to be bona
fide studies.
Now that you've done that, how about providing some legitimate studies to
support your radical prescription of a two-pd diet for everyone, as well as
your claims that being sated is bad? While you're at it, maybe you could let
us know how an unemployed quack can offer that $2 million guarantee of
yours. Twisted interpretations of the bible don't count.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Liarsatan
>
> Andy, that's great you've exerted all that energy into backing up your
> position on a noncontroversial trivial point with what appear to be bona
> fide studies.
Actually, the non-trivial controversial fact that we are more likely
euglycemic when hungrier does allow us to predict a blood glucose
between 70 - 90 mg/dL when in this wonderful state of being.
Bottom line:
You remain the pathetic liar who is the source of all lies as
J666
since Chung relies on "discerning" and a self-publish booklet, how can
Chung possibly cite them as proof when he himself does not do that for
his own medical claims. So either Chung is a liar about these
references or a liar about his own claims so either way he is a liar.
No doubt, will get the usual non sequitur response as he usually gives
and/or the usual conviction rather than addressing this important
issue.
On Feb 25, 10:49 am, Ejac
>
> Incorrect.
>
> Reference#1:
>
> Diabetes Technol Ther. 2007 Aug;9(4):363-71.
>
>
> Reference#2:
>
> Methods Inf Med. 2007;46(5):553-7.
>
>
> Reference#3:
>
> Crit Rev Food Sci Nutr. 2003;43(4):357-77]
Zen Cohen
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heart...@emorycardiology.com> wrote in message
news:67113e0a-5b14-42f2...@d5g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> stan via another sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>
>>
>> Andy, that's great you've exerted all that energy into backing up your
>> position on a noncontroversial trivial point with what appear to be bona
>> fide studies.
>
> Actually, the non-trivial controversial fact that we are more likely
> euglycemic when hungrier does allow us to predict a blood glucose
> between 70 - 90 mg/dL when in this wonderful state of being.
>
Again, you completely miss the point and refuse to provide any backing for
your dangerous medical claims. If you really cared about people's health and
well-being, you'd give them medically sound advice and freely provide the
underlying basis for it. Instead you give patently absurd advice and
constantly lie about the scientific basis for it.
> Bottom line:
You remain an incompetent, lying quack who only cares about himself and does
so at the expense of others.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Zen Cohen
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Liarsatan
Translation: I'm incapable of rationally defending my dangerous lies so I
repetitively post these silly links instead.
Fastmoggy
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@emorycardiology.com> wrote in message
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Yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
yet another tag to killfile!
Andrew...get a life or better still either a girlfriend or a job..perhaps
both?
I did look up the word TROLL..yep looks like they do exist
Fastmoggy
the RE bit i missed..i must have been very hungry!!!!!
Well tiger....you are always in my most welcome file!
Just out of interest what was the result of your question?
The reason i ask is that my local chemist has had an offer????? of
exchanging my old meter for something nice and new.
My new ever so small meter is the freestyle mini..so small i spend allot of
time trying to find it! LOL
My personal opinion is that whilst the meter is as described 'small' you had
better have good eyesight to see any readings but that's my only criticism
unless you count trying to get a test strip out of the container...us banana
fingered people LOL.
Well it was errr free so cannot complain.
"Fastmoggy" <fast...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
tr...@is-best.com
Our armchair gnat swallower opines in response to the original:
Our armchair poor reader opines:
In response to a post mostly about glucose meters and a mental disorder
we find the irrelevant:
"It is when we are hungry, our blood glucose is more likely to be where
it is supposed to be. which is between 70 - 90 mg/dL."
Not only irrelevant but medically false both as to hunger and glucose
numbers in the normal range.
To which he adds three irrelevant references not related to normal range
but two dealing with testing accuracy and a third with effects of food
sources on glucose levels.
A "normal" range must include the daily variation and is most often
measured by the a1c test absent a continuous meter test. There is some
variation in reporting but an a1c of 4.5 or so to 5.2 or so fits the
most reported measures of the indications of average daily glucose
numbers. Those numbers would be about 83 to 107 in the a1c range above.
The numbers our armchair expert uses are the fasting basil number range
which is the bottom end of the daily range of glucose numbers which vary
during the day.
God bless.
tr...@is-best.com
"Actually, the non-trivial controversial fact that we are more likely
euglycemic when hungrier does allow us to predict a blood glucose
between 70 - 90 mg/dL when in this wonderful state of being."
Oh sweet backward tap dancing. "More likely" is a sweet conditional
statement from our armchair expert at absolutes, savor it while he can.
Between numbers are in the range for non-diabetics he mentions, they are
often not for diabetics. It is between meals and during the time
approaching mealtime that we become "hungry" or in some as conditioned
by medications they use. Thus a frank diabetic becomes "hungry" just
the same as a non-diabetic but might not have seen a below100 glucose
number for years.
It is the relative drop in insulin levels in a very complex endocrine
environment that triggers the hungry perception. No cookie cutter
statement can do justice to that complexity in the least.
Our friend is too often simple minded to the point of being irrelevant
and often the victum of cyclic cognitive lurches.
God bless.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
tr...@is-best.com
J666
> Our armchair gnat swallower opines in response to the original:
Looking into my crystal ball, I see Ejac's response to be something
like:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
J666
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
J666
Bob Blaylock
"Fastmoggy" <fast...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Andrew...get a life or better still either a girlfriend or a job..perhaps
> both?
What makes you think that there's any woman or employer who would have
him?
--
Our enemies shall talk themselves to death, and
we will bury them with their own confusion.
--
Remove "HatesSpam" and ".invalid" from email address to contact me.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
> neighbor "Fastmoggy" <fast...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Andrew...get a life ...
Jesus is the life.
> > or better still either a girlfriend ...
Jesus has given me a wife already.
> > or a job...
Jesus is my Boss.
> >..perhaps both?
Jesus is my LORD and Savior:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/JesusChrist
Suggested additional reading about the side you are on as evident by
the type-2 diabetes:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Liarsatan
This simply shows that you are lost:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Dream.asp
May you find the way by publicly declaring with your mouth that "Jesus
is LORD:"
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay
Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
Justine...@gmail.com
> Swordbearer for the KING of kings and LORD of lords.http://HeartMDPhD.com/Sword
The article he cited is described as
Low-glycemic-load diets: impact on obesity and chronic diseases.
Bell SJ, Sears B.
Crit Rev Food Sci Nutr. 2003;43(4):357-77.
Historically, carbohydrates have been thought to play only a minor
role in promoting weight gain and in predicting the risk of
development of chronic disease. Most of the focus had been on reducing
total dietary fat. During the last 20 years, fat intake decreased,
while the number of individuals who were overweight or developed a
chronic condition have dramatically increased. Simultaneously, the
calories coming from carbohydrate have also increased. Carbohydrates
can be classified by their post-prandial glycemic effect, called the
glycemic index or glycemic load. Carbohydrates with high glycemic
indexes and high glycemic loads produce substantial increases in blood
glucose and insulin levels after ingestion. Within a few hours after
their consumption, blood sugar levels begin to decline rapidly due to
an exaggerated increase in insulin secretion. A profound state of
hunger is created. The continued intake of high-glycemic load meals is
associated with an increased risk of chronic diseases such as obesity,
cardiovascular disease, and diabetes. In this review, the terms
glycemic index and glycemic load are defined, coupled with an overview
of short- and long-term changes that occur from eating diets of
different glycemic indexes and glycemic loads. Finally, practical
strategies for how to design low-glycemic-load diets consisting
primarily of low-glycemic carbohydrates are provided.
and
An article appearing in the October 2003 issue of Critical Reviews in
Food Science and Nutrition by Drs. Stacey Bell and Barry Sears
explains in detail what happens metabolically when a high glycemic
load meal or snack is eaten. (The glycemic load represents the food's
glycemic index multiplied by the quantity of the food consumed by
weight.)In their study of healthy volunteers, Bell and Sears found
that two hours after eating a high glycemic load meal, blood sugar
levels were twice as high as the levels that resulted from consumption
of a low glycemic load meal. These high blood sugar levels triggered
the synthesis and release of insulin, our key hormone for getting
sugar back out of the bloodstream and into the cells.
For more information about hunger and glycemia (high low and normal)
check out:
http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov
How a diabetic "feels" is the worst way to manage diet and meds. The
subjective hunger from a hypo can lead to over eating or consuming the
wrong mix of foods. For non diabetic or hypoglycemic folks the typs
of food eaten has less of an effect on bg readings. For those with bg
concerns a calorie is not equal to a calorie.
To advise a diabetic that "> When we are hungry, we can be reasonably
confident that we are euglycemic." is dangerous, offensive and wrong.
Dr. Chung's repeated posting that it is the weight not the content is
very dangerous to those with misregulated digestive systems. A
"balanced meal" can take many forms but the damage which the wrong mix
can cause is very real to folks on retricted diets.
Like many of the "I know more than everyone else" postings made by Dr.
Chung this is a distorted presentation of facts.
GLad he does know how to access medical jouranls to bad he distorts
the findings of others research.
JS
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Zen Cohen
> convicted neighbor Bob Blaylock wrote:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
>
>> neighbor "Fastmoggy" <fast...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Andrew...get a life ...
>
> Jesus is the life.
>
>> > or better still either a girlfriend ...
>
> Jesus has given me a wife already.
>
>> > or a job...
>
> Jesus is my Boss.
>
>> >..perhaps both?
>
> Jesus is my LORD and Savior:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/JesusChrist
>
> Suggested additional reading about the side you are on as evident by
> the type-2 diabetes:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Liarsatan
Andrew, I'm not clear what this means. Are you saying that his having T2
diabetes means he is on satan's side?
Blash
> On Feb 25, 12:07�pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
snipped........
Why do you bother reading, let alone replying to that "headcase"???
He has a one-track mind(?) and logic is NOT going to affect him.......
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed:
>
> He has a one-track mind(?) and logic is NOT going to affect him.......
As if satan is capable of sound logic...
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Idioticsatan
This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict
you:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
Blash
2:33 PM:
> This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict
> you:
.......and you received this information from your ouija board, chicken
bones or "THE VOICES"????
SAVE THE EARTH!!!........(it's the only planet with chocolate)
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>
> <snipped>
>
> > This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict
> > you:
>
>
> .......and you received this information from your ouija board, chicken
> bones or "THE VOICES"????
Neither.
"You know you do not have much longer." -- Holy Spirit.
Amen.
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Prophecy
May you wisely choose to repent soon by publicly declaring with your
mouth that "Jesus is LORD:"
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay
Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
Blash
4:43 AM:
> convicted neighbor Blash wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>
>>> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/PrayForKate
>>
>> <snipped>
>>
>>> This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict
>>> you:
>>
>>> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
>>
>> .......and you received this information from your ouija board, chicken
>> bones or "THE VOICES"????
>
> Neither.
Why don't you enlighten the masses and tell us how YOU get your secret
communications???
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Blash
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/PrayForBlash
I admit it.......
I should be convicted of announcing that you're a "HEADCASE"!!!!
Beav
"Tiger_Lily" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> unfortunately, Chung has NO background in diabetes
Chung has no nothing. Period.
--
Beav
VN 750
Zed 1000
OMF# 19
Blash
>
> "Tiger_Lily" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:62g7ncF...@mid.individual.net...
>> unfortunately, Chung has NO background in diabetes
>
> Chung has no nothing. Period.
>
BEWARE!!!! The "voices" will tell him to convict you.........
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>
> I admit it.......
> I should be convicted of announcing that you're a "HEADCASE"!!!!
Yes, the name-calling does show that the Holy Spirit is absolutely
right to convict you:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
Nico Kadel-Garcia
> In article <iaGwj.3275$g81...@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net>,
> "Fastmoggy" <fast...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Andrew...get a life or better still either a girlfriend or a job..perhaps
>> both?
>
> What makes you think that there's any woman or employer who would have
> him?
>
He could lie on his resume, or simply fail to have been fired from a position
where they were desperate for someone with a medical license. Although at this
rate, I suspect his medical license is gone or about to go: he's really
swimming in the shallow, yellow-stained kiddie pool part of the ocean of
medical knowledge.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
J666
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/PrayForNico.