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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD  
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 More options Nov 2 2012, 6:40 pm
Newsgroups: sci.med.cardiology, alt.support.diabetes, misc.health.alternative, alt.atheism, alt.christnet.christianlife
From: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com>
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 15:40:28 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Nov 2 2012 6:40 pm
Subject: Re: Ron Taylor's starvation diet and Type II reversal

Adam Becker Sr wrote:

> For about 5 years, there have been reports coming out which claim that bariatric surgery can cure type II diabetes.  I've been very skeptical, but the reports keep coming.

Reversal/cure happens when type-2 diabetes are held to the right
amount, which is 32 oz of daily food, either by free choice or by
bariatric surgery as http://WDJW.net/VAT is lost.

> Now comes Ron Taylor, in the article "Pathogenesis of type 2 diabetes: tracing the reverse route from cure to cause"
>   http://rd.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00125-008-1116-7?LI=true (pdf, free access)

Yes, the absolutely only **healthy** way to reverse/cure type-2
diabetes is by freely choosing to stop the overeating while
simultaneously also avoiding harmful undernourishment/fasting/
starving.

Yes, right amount ( http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER Approach ) control as
Chris Malcolm, MU, **and** Rod Eastman are doing is much more
sophisticated and smarter:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/msg/8d2ef744...

and

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/522ce5c058224656?

**and**

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/da03131060efa3b5?

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/055f2e7cf3c590ee?

Don't be an Ayoob:

https://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9c87c24ea7a7ee20?

Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:

http://www.11alive.com/news/article/251415/3/Doctor-Touts-Hunger (Luke
6:21a) with all glory to GOD, Who causes us to hunger (Deuteronomy
8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby removing the
http://WDJW.net/VAT

... because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
EmoryIMVC.org Cardiologist
and Author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9ad0c19df5ffc2f7?


 
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 More options Nov 2 2012, 10:36 pm
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From: "Ace*" <blackstu...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 19:36:40 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Nov 2 2012 10:36 pm
Subject: Re: Ron Taylor's starvation diet and Type II reversal

A Google search of  "Andrew Chung Starvation" produced the following:

DR ANDREW CHUNG AND EBONY BERRY ACCUSED OF STARVING DAUGHTER
http://lapanchinadimariella.forumfree.it/?t=62125479

Ebony Berry, Mom who starved teen daughter Markea to death, linked to
'hunger' cure Doc (Video)
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ebony-berry-mom-starved-teen...

Update: Dr. Andrew Chung admits he spoke with starved teen's ...
http://www.atoast2wealth.com/2012/06/27/update-dr-andrew-chung-admits...

Update: Dr. Andrew Chung admits he spoke with starved teen's mom ...
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TJE0OPIR81HG0GU23

"Being Hungry is Wonderful": Mother Who Allegedly Starved Daughter as
Part of a “Hunger Cult”
http://www.yourblackworld.net/2012/06/black-news/woman-starves-her-da...

Dr Andrew Chung advocates 'wonderfully hungry' and is friends with
Ebony Berry, accused of starving daughter
http://entertainment.topnewstoday.org/music/article/2644930/

The doctor behind the ‘hunger cult’ that obsessed a mother who
‘starved her 16-year-old daughter to death’
http://investmentwatchblog.com/the-doctor-behind-the-hunger-cult-that...

--
Hunger is starvation.

"Starvation: The term hunger refers to the symptoms and effects of
starvation. According to the World Health Organization, hunger is the
single gravest threat to the world"

"Starve | Define Starve at Dictionary.com
to cause to starve; kill, weaken, or reduce by lack of food by
hunger":
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/starve

"The world hunger problem: Facts, figures and statistics":
http://library.thinkquest.org/C002291/high/present/stats.htm

"Global Hunger - Bread for the World: Have Faith. End Hunger":
http://www.bread.org/hunger/global/

"Hunger and Children in America: A Slow and Steady Starvation":
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/US/hunger-children-america-slow-steady-s...

"Hunger Starvation":
http://www.geni.org/globalenergy/issues/global/qualityoflife/hunger/i...

"Stop Hunger Now":
http://www.stophungernow.org/site/PageServer


 
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 More options Nov 2 2012, 10:56 pm
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From: Uirgil <w...@gobot.com>
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 19:56:49 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Nov 2 2012 10:56 pm
Subject: Re: Ron Taylor's starvation diet and Type II reversal
In article
<82b98b1f-50b3-4f55-8740-8b1f5a855...@g4g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <disci...@T3WiJ.com> wrote:

> Don't be an Ayoob:

> https://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9c87c24ea7a7ee20?

> Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
> diabetics and other heart disease patients:

But not for school children when going to classes.

So BE an Ayoob, and like him, support giving all children an adequate
breakfast before school.

"But Keith Ayoob, director of the Rose R. Kennedy Center Nutrition
Clinic at Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York City, said
the
programs aren t the problem.
There is a mountain of research that shows school breakfasts, and
particularly breakfast in the classroom, have a positive outcomes, he
said, describing a drop in truancy, behavior problems and visits to
the
school nurse as well as an improvement in grades. School breakfasts
are
not making kids overweight. If they re eating two breakfasts, parents
need to know that and adjust accordingly at home.
Speaking to the New York Academy of Medicine Thursday, Ayoob defended
breakfast programs and stressed the importance of parents keeping
track
of what their kids are eating.
We don t want some kids going hungry just because some kids are
overeating, he said. A child getting two breakfasts is a much easier
fix.http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2012/04/20/school-breakfast-
progra...
anned-for-feeding-kids-twice/

And, apparently, ABChung would rather have kids hungry all the time
and
out of control in classes than breakfasted and good students.
--
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less
remote from the- truth who believes nothing than
he who believes what is wrong.

                 Thomas Jefferson


 
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 More options Nov 2 2012, 11:06 pm
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From: "Rev. Fairchild" <papamikey...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 20:06:35 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Nov 2 2012 11:06 pm
Subject: Re: Ron Taylor's starvation diet and Type II reversal
"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" slipping further into insanity:

> Markea's ghost will shut that accursed soul up along
> with shutting up all the other accursed souls as she destroys their
> families one by one per command. Vengeance is Mine. I shall
> avenge. -- Dr. Crackpot posing as God.

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/0fbc3a51527114d2

More stuff for people to forward to:

Sheriff Neil Warren, Cobb County Sheriff's Office neil.warren @
cobbcounty.org

And to Jaye Watson, from 11 Alive News, jwatson @ 11alive.com.

Alabama Board of Medical Examiners and Medical Licensure Commission of
Alabama.
http://www.albme.org/complaint.html

Central State Hospital - Georgia's hospital for the mentally ill.
http://www.centralstatehospital.org/

--
"DR ANDREW CHUNG AND EBONY BERRY ACCUSED OF STARVING DAUGHTER"
http://lapanchinadimariella.forumfree.it/?t=62125479

"The doctor behind the ‘hunger cult’ that obsessed a mother who
‘starved her 16-year-old daughter to death"
http://investmentwatchblog.com/the-doctor-behind-the-hunger-cult-that...

"Mother Who Allegedly Starved Daughter as Part of a “Hunger Cult”
http://www.yourblackworld.net/2012/06/black-news/woman-starves-her-da...

"Dr Andrew Chung advocates 'wonderfully hungry' and is friends with
Ebony Berry, accused of starving daughter"
http://entertainment.topnewstoday.org/music/article/2644930/

"The doctor behind the ‘hunger cult’ that obsessed a mother who
‘starved her 16-year-old daughter to death"
http://investmentwatchblog.com/the-doctor-behind-the-hunger-cult-that...


 
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 More options Nov 3 2012, 12:09 am
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From: Chris Malcolm <amberstu...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 21:09:57 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sat, Nov 3 2012 12:09 am
Subject: Re: Ron Taylor's starvation diet and Type II reversal
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"  wrote:

> I'm an Obsessive Compulsive QUACK,  who has been around for
> quite a few years now, and over time (the last 5 years or so) my
> posts have degenerated from once being helpful and
> knowledgeable to now being consumed with religion and what seems a
> paranoid belief in my 2lb diet.
> Very sad to a see me, a once clever man go down the gurgler like
> this,
> but that is unfortunately the nature of my disease -
> schizophrenia and an obsessive compulsive disorder.

> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

Citation: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.christnet.prayer/msg/247e2dab00dfacb5

 
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Discussion subject changed to "Being an Ayoob is more Christain than being a Chung!" by Uergil
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 More options Nov 3 2012, 1:40 am
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From: Uergil <Uer...@uer.net>
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 23:40:24 -0600
Local: Sat, Nov 3 2012 1:40 am
Subject: Re: Being an Ayoob is more Christain than being a Chung!
In article
<c2e41fe8-7244-4143-9ff9-27b153fc8...@q16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
 "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote:

> Don't be an Ayoob:

> https://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9c87c24ea7a7ee20?

> Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
> diabetics and other heart disease patients:

But not for school children when going to classes.

So BE an Ayoob, and like him, support giving all children an adequate
breakfast before school.

"But Keith Ayoob, director of the Rose R. Kennedy Center Nutrition
Clinic at Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York City, said the
programs aren¹t the problem.
³There is a mountain of research that shows school breakfasts, and
particularly breakfast in the classroom, have a  positive outcomes,² he
said, describing a drop in truancy, behavior problems and visits to the
school nurse as well as an improvement in grades. ³School breakfasts are
not making kids overweight. If they¹re eating two breakfasts, parents
need to know that and adjust accordingly at home.²
Speaking to the New York Academy of Medicine Thursday, Ayoob defended
breakfast programs and stressed the importance of parents keeping track
of what their kids are eating.
³We don¹t want some kids going hungry just because some kids are
overeating,² he said. ³A child getting two breakfasts is a much easier
fix.²
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2012/04/20/school-breakfast-progra...
anned-for-feeding-kids-twice/

And, apparently, ABChung would rather have kids hungry all the time and
out of control in classes than breakfasted and good students.
--
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less
 remote from the- truth who believes nothing than
he who believes what is wrong.
                     Thomas Jefferson


 
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Discussion subject changed to "Report the crackpot..." by •*´¯`*•. ¸ஐ*•. ¥. •*ஐ¸. •*´¯`*•
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 More options Nov 3 2012, 2:36 am
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From: •*´¯`*•.¸ஐ*•.¥.•*ஐ¸.•*´¯`*• <bus...@cbgb.net>
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 23:36:36 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sat, Nov 3 2012 2:36 am
Subject: Report the crackpot...
On Nov 1, 2:37 pm, Happy Oyster <-*-*.@.*-*-> wrote:

> > Markea Berry isn't eating anything today because of you.

> So it is. she is dead. And Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung shits on her grave.

By telling everyone how Markea Berry is going murder people's family
members as a ghost.

Psycho Dr. Andrew B. Crackpot spat in vain:

> May [Crackpot's version of] GOD ever so severely curse you and all around
> you to the Nth generation

> [Crackpot's version of] GOD has sent a daughter's ghost to exact vengeance on those who
> falsely accuse her mom and her defenders.

> These accusers should get funeral insurance for their families as they
> start witnessing their members cut down one-by-one.

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/6f2992b2eebc108...

Reported as forwarded by several people to investigators in the Markea
Berry case such as:

Sheriff Neil Warren, Cobb County Sheriff's Office neil.warren @
cobbcounty.org

And to Jaye Watson, from 11 Alive News, jwatson @ 11alive.com.

"Anyone wanting to ensure this cracked nut doesn't get someone else
killed should do the same."

11 Alive News interview with Andrew B. Chung regarding the case:
http://www.11alive.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=251415

Headlines regarding Markea Berry case:

"DR ANDREW CHUNG AND EBONY BERRY ACCUSED OF STARVING DAUGHTER"
http://lapanchinadimariella.forumfree.it/?t=62125479

"The doctor behind the ‘hunger cult’ that obsessed a mother who
‘starved her 16-year-old daughter to death"
http://investmentwatchblog.com/the-doctor-behind-the-hunger-cult-that...

"Mother Who Allegedly Starved Daughter as Part of a “Hunger Cult”
http://www.yourblackworld.net/2012/06/black-news/woman-starves-her-da...

"Dr Andrew Chung advocates 'wonderfully hungry' and is friends with
Ebony Berry, accused of starving daughter"
http://entertainment.topnewstoday.org/music/article/2644930/

"The doctor behind the ‘hunger cult’ that obsessed a mother who
‘starved her 16-year-old daughter to death"
http://investmentwatchblog.com/the-doctor-behind-the-hunger-cult-that...


 
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 More options Nov 3 2012, 6:36 am
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From: Cary Kittrell <klond...@mail.vu>
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 03:36:57 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sat, Nov 3 2012 6:36 am
Subject: Re: Report the crackpot...
Andrew B. Crackpot's internet attention has withered away like the fig
tree in Matthew 21:19 and for the same reason

> The fig tree of Matthew 21:19 withered from losing the LORD's
> blessing

Seems mighty doubtful Dr. Crackpot ever had a blessing to begin with
LOL.
But he's managed to gain some new attention by being implicated in the
starvation death of a child:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/aa1e56befc127f7a

Yeah, behold the jittery stammering Dr. Crackpot who looks like an
anorexic girl and imitates the accent of a Yenta LOL.

> > Paul is not talking about just saying the words "Jesus is Lord".
> > Anyone can say that.

> Lie.

True, as proven by an atheist saying it to make fun of Dr. Crackpot's
misinterpretation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWnl6ucHnSE

Here's a more correct interpretation of 1 Corinthians 12:3
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/19b604efa9f62a80

> Demons possess only those who can say "Jesus is LORD"

Dr. Crackpot unwittingly confirming that he can say "Jesus is Lord"
while demon possessed LOL.

> This physician has not made that claim
> for he is not a Bible teacher

Dr. Crackpot unwittingly confirming that he doesn't understand the
Bible.
Thus Dr. Crackpot acknowledges of himself:
"The ones who disagree with me the most... who are against me
the most, are actual Christians"

> Any born-again Bible teacher who truthfully says they
> are "wonderfully hungry" whenever they are greeted would be someone
> who would be a truthful Bible teacher.

ROFL pure delusional Crackpot nonsense which gets him kicked out of
true Christian fellowships.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/0c6fa82099ce86eb

> "Anyone can say 'Jesus is LORD'"

Yes, just like the atheist in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWnl6ucHnSE

> Demons possess only those who can say "Jesus is LORD"
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1R3RsjoAYQ

Dr. Crackpot's greasy hair and emaciated frame being reminiscent of
the demon possessed girl in "The Exorcist" LOL.

Indeed LOL.

ROFL

> > Only Satan would try to lull people into a false assurance of
> > Salvation in Jesus Christ, by claiming it's summed up in someone's
> > ability to parrot the second half of a Bible verse.

> Only those who work for satan would claim they know what satan would
> do.

Wrong: "In order that Satan might not outwit us. For we are not
unaware of his schemes." 2 Corinthians 2:11
Dr. Crackpot has unwittingly confessed that he has been outwitted by
Satan.

> (2 Timothy 3:13).
> "But evil men and impostors will grow worse and worse, deceiving and
> being deceived."

That's Dr. Crackpot alright, as recognized by First Baptist Church,
Woodstock:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/0c6fa82099ce86eb

> parrot being able to say many religious phrases **except** "Jesus is
> LORD" as seen on YouTube:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqI1J4hNu3E

Dr. Crackpot is too Biblically illiterate to know that "is" doesn't
exist in Koine Greek: "oudeis dynatai eipein KYRIOS IESOUS ei me en
pneumati hagio": "no one can say Lord Jesus if not in Spirit Holy"
http://biblos.com/1_corinthians/12-3.htm
The parrot did indeed say, "KYRIOS IESOUS" i.e. "Jesus [is] Lord",
being less of a birdbrain than Dr. Crackpot LOL.

And there's so much more that he's ignorant of and doesn't understand
about reading the Bible.

> For example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LL7AhTdZHas

> Truth is simply reality

Yep.

> But remember that Satan also quoted Scripture (Psalm 91:11) in Matthew
> 4:5-6
> and that one of his servants can just as easily quote 1
> Corinthians 12:3b.

As demonstrated by Dr. Crackpot:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1R3RsjoAYQ

> May [Dr. Crackpot's version of] GOD ever so severely curse you and all around
> you to the Nth generation

There goes Dr. Crackpot cursing Christians again.

Dr. Crackpot can't even figure out that Feb 3, 2012 was more than six
months ago ROFL.

Meanwhile:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/06e0dd73f89d8b8b

and

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/06e0dd73f89d8b8b

--
Hunger is starvation:

A Google search for the word "hunger" in conjunction with the word
"starvation" produced these synonymous results:

"Starvation: The term hunger refers to the symptoms and effects of
starvation. According to the World Health Organization, hunger is the
single gravest threat to the world"

"Starve | Define Starve at Dictionary.com
to cause to starve; kill, weaken, or reduce by lack of food by
hunger":
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/starve

"The world hunger problem: Facts, figures and statistics":
http://library.thinkquest.org/C002291/high/present/stats.htm

"Global Hunger - Bread for the World: Have Faith. End Hunger":
http://www.bread.org/hunger/global/

"Hunger and Children in America: A Slow and Steady Starvation":
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/US/hunger-children-america-slow-steady-s...

"Hunger Starvation":
http://www.geni.org/globalenergy/issues/global/qualityoflife/hunger/i...

"Stop Hunger Now":
http://www.stophungernow.org/site/PageServer


 
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Discussion subject changed to "+Vanquishing the "hunger is starvation" delusion on 11/15/12 ..." by Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
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From: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 17:26:27 -0800 (PST)
Local: Thurs, Nov 15 2012 8:26 pm
Subject: +Vanquishing the "hunger is starvation" delusion on 11/15/12 ...

Julie Bove wrote:

> "I'm starving!"

Source:
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/e55df55a1194...

> I don't know why.  Had my usual whole wheat toast for breakfast.  BG was not
> so good then.  181 before and 258 after.  But it had dropped to 121 before
> dinner.  Had a brown rice casserole with ground beef and tons of veggies in
> it.  BG was 134 after.  So slightly higher than it should be but not a
> concern.  This was on the lower dose of insulin.  Will lower the breakfast
> insulin tomorrow.  But...

> I am starving!

No you are not.

> Why?

Because starving people are dying from **weeks** of not eating and
dying people can't eat (i.e. are not hungry) much less type and post
on Usenet.

> Could it be that I am now digesting my food?

Being hungry means being able to digest food.

> I just don't know.

You are suffering terribly from the "hunger is starvation" (Genesis
25:32) delusion which scrambles the mind:

"I'm starving! I think I'm gonna die!" -- Julie Bove

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/15d86f761b4881e2?

> Ate a handful of peanuts.  Didn't quell the hunger.

That which kills the hunger would be killing you.

If you were to increase the amount of peanuts to 100 lbs, it would
likely kill the hunger and you.

> So I ate a bowl of little dill pickles and a few black olives.  Still hungry.  Grrr...

Yes, your "hunger is starvation" delusion is what caused you to have
type-2 diabetes from the outset.

Indeed, only the truth (John 14:6) can cure you:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a81a73f828c35ae2?

Being hungrier really is wonderfully healthier and is not starvation:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/eb477f76c3071d56?

So don't be an Ayoob:

https://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9c87c24ea7a7ee20?

Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:

http://www.11alive.com/news/article/251415/3/Doctor-Touts-Hunger (Luke
6:21a) with all glory to GOD, Who causes us to hunger (Deuteronomy
8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby removing the
http://WDJW.net/VAT

...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
EmoryIMVC.org Cardiologist
and Author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9ad0c19df5ffc2f7?


 
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From: Uirgil <uir...@uirgil.ur>
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 19:16:11 -0700
Local: Thurs, Nov 15 2012 9:16 pm
Subject: Re:Ask Chung whether Markea Blakely-Berry thinks hunger is starvation!
In article
<cabb65b9-30b3-49e6-af31-b1f4b9abc...@r6g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
 "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote:

> So don't be an Ayoob:

> https://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9c87c24ea7a7ee20?

> Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
> diabetics and other heart disease patients:

But not for school children when going to classes.

So BE an Ayoob, and like him, support giving all children an adequate
breakfast before school.

"But Keith Ayoob, director of the Rose R. Kennedy Center Nutrition
Clinic at Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York City, said the
programs aren¹t the problem.
³There is a mountain of research that shows school breakfasts, and
particularly breakfast in the classroom, have a  positive outcomes,² he
said, describing a drop in truancy, behavior problems and visits to the
school nurse as well as an improvement in grades. ³School breakfasts are
not making kids overweight. If they¹re eating two breakfasts, parents
need to know that and adjust accordingly at home.²
Speaking to the New York Academy of Medicine Thursday, Ayoob defended
breakfast programs and stressed the importance of parents keeping track
of what their kids are eating.
³We don¹t want some kids going hungry just because some kids are
overeating,² he said. ³A child getting two breakfasts is a much easier
fix.²
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2012/04/20/school-breakfast-progra...
anned-for-feeding-kids-twice/

And, apparently, ABChung would rather have kids hungry all the time and
out of control in classes than breakfasted and good students.


 
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From: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <disci...@T3WiJ.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 03:47:57 -0800 (PST)
Local: Fri, Nov 16 2012 6:47 am
Subject: +Vanquishing the "hunger is starvation" delusion on 11/16/12 ...

Julie Bove wrote:

> "I'm starving!"

Source:
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/e55df55a1194...

> I don't know why.  Had my usual whole wheat toast for breakfast.  BG was not
> so good then.  181 before and 258 after.  But it had dropped to 121 before
> dinner.  Had a brown rice casserole with ground beef and tons of veggies in
> it.  BG was 134 after.  So slightly higher than it should be but not a
> concern.  This was on the lower dose of insulin.  Will lower the breakfast
> insulin tomorrow.  But...

> I am starving!

No you are not.

> Why?

Because starving people are dying from **weeks** of not eating and
dying people can't eat (i.e. are not hungry) much less type and post
on Usenet.

> Could it be that I am now digesting my food?

Being hungry means being able to digest food.

> I just don't know.

You are suffering terribly from the "hunger is starvation" (Genesis
25:32) delusion which scrambles the mind:

"I'm starving! I think I'm gonna die!" -- Julie Bove

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/15d86f761b4881e2?

> Ate a handful of peanuts.  Didn't quell the hunger.

That which kills the hunger would be killing you.

If you were to increase the amount of peanuts to 100 lbs, it would
likely kill the hunger and you.

> So I ate a bowl of little dill pickles and a few black olives.  Still hungry.  Grrr...

Yes, your "hunger is starvation" delusion is what caused you to have
type-2 diabetes from the outset.

Indeed, only the truth (John 14:6) can cure you:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a81a73f828c35ae2?

Being hungrier really is wonderfully healthier and is not starvation:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/eb477f76c3071d56?

So don't be an Ayoob:

https://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9c87c24ea7a7ee20?

Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:

http://www.11alive.com/news/article/251415/3/Doctor-Touts-Hunger (Luke
6:21a) with all glory to GOD, Who causes us to hunger (Deuteronomy
8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby removing the
http://WDJW.net/VAT

...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
EmoryIMVC.org Cardiologist
and Author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9ad0c19df5ffc2f7?


 
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From: Hunger is starvation <papamikey...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 03:54:08 -0800 (PST)
Local: Fri, Nov 16 2012 6:54 am
Subject: Re: <Remembering Markea on 11/16/12
A Google search of "Andrew Chung and Blakely-Berry" produced the
following results:

"DR ANDREW CHUNG AND EBONY BERRY ACCUSED OF STARVING DAUGHTER"
http://lapanchinadimariella.forumfree.it/?t=62125479

"Ebony Berry, Mom who starved teen daughter Markea to death, linked to
'hunger' cure Doc (Video)"
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ebony-berry-mom-starved-teen...

"Update: Dr. Andrew Chung admits he spoke with starved teen's ..."
http://www.atoast2wealth.com/2012/06/27/update-dr-andrew-chung-admits...

"Update: Dr. Andrew Chung admits he spoke with starved teen's mom ..."
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TJE0OPIR81HG0GU23

"Being Hungry is Wonderful": Mother Who Allegedly Starved Daughter as
Part of a “Hunger Cult”
http://www.yourblackworld.net/2012/06/black-news/woman-starves-her-da...

"Dr Andrew Chung advocates 'wonderfully hungry' and is friends with
Ebony Berry, accused of starving daughter"
http://entertainment.topnewstoday.org/music/article/2644930/

"The doctor behind the ‘hunger cult’ that obsessed a mother who
‘starved her 16-year-old daughter to death"
http://investmentwatchblog.com/the-doctor-behind-the-hunger-cult-that...

--
Hunger is starvation.

"Starvation: The term hunger refers to the symptoms and effects of
starvation. According to the World Health Organization, hunger is the
single gravest threat to the world"

"Starve | Define Starve at Dictionary.com
to cause to starve; kill, weaken, or reduce by lack of food by
hunger":
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/starve

"The world hunger problem: Facts, figures and statistics":
http://library.thinkquest.org/C002291/high/present/stats.htm

"Global Hunger - Bread for the World: Have Faith. End Hunger":
http://www.bread.org/hunger/global/

"Hunger and Children in America: A Slow and Steady Starvation":
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/US/hunger-children-america-slow-steady-s...

"Hunger Starvation":
http://www.geni.org/globalenergy/issues/global/qualityoflife/hunger/i...

"Stop Hunger Now":
http://www.stophungernow.org/site/PageServer


 
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From: Uirgil <uir...@uirgil.ur>
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 18:29:16 -0700
Local: Fri, Nov 16 2012 8:29 pm
Subject: Ask Chung what Markea Blakely-Berry thinks about hunger and starvation!
In article
<f8ebd332-fbd4-4918-98eb-3b6a14696...@r5g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>,
 "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <disci...@T3WiJ.com> wrote:

> So don't be an Ayoob:

Ask Chung what Markea Blakely-Berry thinks about hunger and starvation!
Far better honest like Ayoob than crooked like Chung!!!

 
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From: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com>
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 20:32:27 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sat, Nov 17 2012 11:32 pm
Subject: +Vanquishing the "hunger is starvation" delusion on 11/17/12 ...

Julie Bove wrote:

> "I'm starving!"

Source:
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/e55df55a1194...

> I don't know why.  Had my usual whole wheat toast for breakfast.  BG was not
> so good then.  181 before and 258 after.  But it had dropped to 121 before
> dinner.  Had a brown rice casserole with ground beef and tons of veggies in
> it.  BG was 134 after.  So slightly higher than it should be but not a
> concern.  This was on the lower dose of insulin.  Will lower the breakfast
> insulin tomorrow.  But...

> I am starving!

No you are not.

> Why?

Because starving people are dying from **weeks** of not eating and
dying people can't eat (i.e. are not hungry) much less type and post
on Usenet.

> Could it be that I am now digesting my food?

Being hungry means being able to digest food.

> I just don't know.

You are suffering terribly from the "hunger is starvation" (Genesis
25:32) delusion which scrambles the mind:

"I'm starving! I think I'm gonna die!" -- Julie Bove

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/15d86f761b4881e2?

> Ate a handful of peanuts.  Didn't quell the hunger.

That which kills the hunger would be killing you.

If you were to increase the amount of peanuts to 100 lbs, it would
likely kill the hunger and you.

> So I ate a bowl of little dill pickles and a few black olives.  Still hungry.  Grrr...

Yes, your "hunger is starvation" delusion is what caused you to have
type-2 diabetes from the outset.

Indeed, only the truth (John 14:6) can cure you:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a81a73f828c35ae2?

Being hungrier really is wonderfully healthier and is not starvation:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/eb477f76c3071d56?

So don't be an Ayoob:

https://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9c87c24ea7a7ee20?

Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:

http://www.11alive.com/news/article/251415/3/Doctor-Touts-Hunger (Luke
6:21a) with all glory to GOD, Who causes us to hunger (Deuteronomy
8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby removing the
http://WDJW.net/VAT

...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
EmoryIMVC.org Cardiologist
and Author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9ad0c19df5ffc2f7?


 
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From: Vurgil <Vur...@arg.erg>
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 22:21:40 -0700
Local: Sun, Nov 18 2012 12:21 am
Subject: Re: +Vanquishing the "Chung is not a Liar" delusion on 11/17/12 ...
In article
<666aee12-7c64-4c52-b2a0-6ba2012ac...@j10g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
 "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote:

> So don't be an Ayoob:

> https://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9c87c24ea7a7ee20?

> Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
> diabetics and other heart disease patients:

But not for school children when going to classes.

So BE an Ayoob, and like him, support giving all children an adequate
breakfast before school.

"But Keith Ayoob, director of the Rose R. Kennedy Center Nutrition
Clinic at Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York City, said the
programs aren¹t the problem.
³There is a mountain of research that shows school breakfasts, and
particularly breakfast in the classroom, have a  positive outcomes,² he
said, describing a drop in truancy, behavior problems and visits to the
school nurse as well as an improvement in grades. ³School breakfasts are
not making kids overweight. If they¹re eating two breakfasts, parents
need to know that and adjust accordingly at home.²
Speaking to the New York Academy of Medicine Thursday, Ayoob defended
breakfast programs and stressed the importance of parents keeping track
of what their kids are eating.
³We don¹t want some kids going hungry just because some kids are
overeating,² he said. ³A child getting two breakfasts is a much easier
fix.²
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2012/04/20/school-breakfast-progra...
anned-for-feeding-kids-twice/

And, apparently, ABChung would rather have kids hungry all the time and
out of control in classes than breakfasted and good students.


 
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From: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com>
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 19:18:06 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sun, Nov 18 2012 10:18 pm
Subject: +Vanquishing the "hunger is starvation" delusion on 11/18/12 ...

Julie Bove wrote:

> "I'm starving!"

Source:
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/e55df55a1194...

> I don't know why.  Had my usual whole wheat toast for breakfast.  BG was not
> so good then.  181 before and 258 after.  But it had dropped to 121 before
> dinner.  Had a brown rice casserole with ground beef and tons of veggies in
> it.  BG was 134 after.  So slightly higher than it should be but not a
> concern.  This was on the lower dose of insulin.  Will lower the breakfast
> insulin tomorrow.  But...

> I am starving!

No you are not.

> Why?

Because starving people are dying from **weeks** of not eating and
dying people can't eat (i.e. are not hungry) much less type and post
on Usenet.

> Could it be that I am now digesting my food?

Being hungry means being able to digest food.

> I just don't know.

You are suffering terribly from the "hunger is starvation" (Genesis
25:32) delusion which scrambles the mind:

"I'm starving! I think I'm gonna die!" -- Julie Bove

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/15d86f761b4881e2?

> Ate a handful of peanuts.  Didn't quell the hunger.

That which kills the hunger would be killing you.

If you were to increase the amount of peanuts to 100 lbs, it would
likely kill the hunger and you.

> So I ate a bowl of little dill pickles and a few black olives.  Still hungry.  Grrr...

Yes, your "hunger is starvation" delusion is what caused you to have
type-2 diabetes from the outset.

Indeed, only the truth (John 14:6) can cure you:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a81a73f828c35ae2?

Being hungrier really is wonderfully healthier and is not starvation:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/eb477f76c3071d56?

So don't be an Ayoob:

https://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9c87c24ea7a7ee20?

Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:

http://www.11alive.com/news/article/251415/3/Doctor-Touts-Hunger (Luke
6:21a) with all glory to GOD, Who causes us to hunger (Deuteronomy
8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby removing the
http://WDJW.net/VAT

...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
EmoryIMVC.org Cardiologist
and Author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9ad0c19df5ffc2f7?


 
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Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 20:24:19 -0700
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Subject: Re: +Vanquishing the "hunger is starvation" delusion on 11/18/12 ...

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From: Vurgil <Vur...@arg.erg>
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 21:54:31 -0700
Local: Sun, Nov 18 2012 11:54 pm
Subject: Re: Better to be Keith Ayoob than that criminal cretin calling itself Chung.
In article
<659f909e-2ac7-494a-9062-e87f16171...@y8g2000yqy.googlegroups.com>,
 "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote:

> So don't be an Ayoob:

Better to be Keith Ayoob than that criminal cretin calling itself Chung.

 
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From: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <disci...@T3WiJ.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 04:32:53 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mon, Nov 19 2012 7:32 am
Subject: +Vanquishing the "hunger is starvation" delusion on 11/19/12 ...

Julie Bove wrote:

> "I'm starving!"

Source:
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/e55df55a1194...

> I don't know why.  Had my usual whole wheat toast for breakfast.  BG was not
> so good then.  181 before and 258 after.  But it had dropped to 121 before
> dinner.  Had a brown rice casserole with ground beef and tons of veggies in
> it.  BG was 134 after.  So slightly higher than it should be but not a
> concern.  This was on the lower dose of insulin.  Will lower the breakfast
> insulin tomorrow.  But...

> I am starving!

No you are not.

> Why?

Because starving people are dying from **weeks** of not eating and
dying people can't eat (i.e. are not hungry) much less type and post
on Usenet.

> Could it be that I am now digesting my food?

Being hungry means being able to digest food.

> I just don't know.

You are suffering terribly from the "hunger is starvation" (Genesis
25:32) delusion which scrambles the mind:

"I'm starving! I think I'm gonna die!" -- Julie Bove

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/15d86f761b4881e2?

> Ate a handful of peanuts.  Didn't quell the hunger.

That which kills the hunger would be killing you.

If you were to increase the amount of peanuts to 100 lbs, it would
likely kill the hunger and you.

> So I ate a bowl of little dill pickles and a few black olives.  Still hungry.  Grrr...

Yes, your "hunger is starvation" delusion is what caused you to have
type-2 diabetes from the outset.

Indeed, only the truth (John 14:6) can cure you:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a81a73f828c35ae2?

Being hungrier really is wonderfully healthier and is not starvation:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/eb477f76c3071d56?

So don't be an Ayoob:

https://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9c87c24ea7a7ee20?

Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:

http://www.11alive.com/news/article/251415/3/Doctor-Touts-Hunger (Luke
6:21a) with all glory to GOD, Who causes us to hunger (Deuteronomy
8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby removing the
http://WDJW.net/VAT

...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
EmoryIMVC.org Cardiologist
and Author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9ad0c19df5ffc2f7?


 
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From: Hunger is starvation <metapho...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 05:00:25 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mon, Nov 19 2012 8:00 am
Subject: Hunger is starvation
A Google search for the word "hunger" in conjunction with the word
"starvation" produced these synonymous results:

"Starvation: The term hunger refers to the symptoms and effects of
starvation. According to the World Health Organization, hunger is the
single gravest threat to the world"

"Starve | Define Starve at Dictionary.com
to cause to starve; kill, weaken, or reduce by lack of food by
hunger":
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/starve

"The world hunger problem: Facts, figures and statistics":
http://library.thinkquest.org/C002291/high/present/stats.htm

"Global Hunger - Bread for the World: Have Faith. End Hunger":
http://www.bread.org/hunger/global/

"Hunger and Children in America: A Slow and Steady Starvation":
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/US/hunger-children-america-slow-steady-s...

"Hunger Starvation":
http://www.geni.org/globalenergy/issues/global/qualityoflife/hunger/i...

"Stop Hunger Now":
http://www.stophungernow.org/site/PageServer

Also discovered was:

"OVERWEIGHT DIABETES PATIENTS LIVE LONGER":
http://www.redorbit.com/news/video/health_2/1112679920/overweight-dia...

"Overweight, obese people living longer even with diabetes":
http://preview.tinyurl.com/9tpfk43

"Study: Overweight People Live Longer":
http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20090625/study-overweight-people-live-...

"Excess Pounds, but Not Too Many, May Lead to Longer Life":
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/26/health/26weight.html

"Portland researchers find slightly overweight people live longer than
normal-weight people":
http://www.oregonlive.com/health/index.ssf/2009/06/portland_researche...

"A Little Extra Weight Protects People From Early Death":
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/06/090623133523.htm


 
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Discussion subject changed to "+Vanquishing the "hunger is starvation" delusion on 11/20/12 ..." by Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
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From: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <disci...@T3WiJ.com>
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 04:25:30 -0800 (PST)
Local: Tues, Nov 20 2012 7:25 am
Subject: +Vanquishing the "hunger is starvation" delusion on 11/20/12 ...

Julie Bove wrote:

> "I'm starving!"

Source:
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/e55df55a1194...

> I don't know why.  Had my usual whole wheat toast for breakfast.  BG was not
> so good then.  181 before and 258 after.  But it had dropped to 121 before
> dinner.  Had a brown rice casserole with ground beef and tons of veggies in
> it.  BG was 134 after.  So slightly higher than it should be but not a
> concern.  This was on the lower dose of insulin.  Will lower the breakfast
> insulin tomorrow.  But...

> I am starving!

No you are not.

> Why?

Because starving people are dying from **weeks** of not eating and
dying people can't eat (i.e. are not hungry) much less type and post
on Usenet.

> Could it be that I am now digesting my food?

Being hungry means being able to digest food.

> I just don't know.

You are suffering terribly from the "hunger is starvation" (Genesis
25:32) delusion which scrambles the mind:

"I'm starving! I think I'm gonna die!" -- Julie Bove

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/15d86f761b4881e2?

> Ate a handful of peanuts.  Didn't quell the hunger.

That which kills the hunger would be killing you.

If you were to increase the amount of peanuts to 100 lbs, it would
likely kill the hunger and you.

> So I ate a bowl of little dill pickles and a few black olives.  Still hungry.  Grrr...

Yes, your "hunger is starvation" delusion is what caused you to have
type-2 diabetes from the outset.

Indeed, only the truth (John 14:6) can cure you:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a81a73f828c35ae2?

Being hungrier really is wonderfully healthier and is not starvation:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/eb477f76c3071d56?

So don't be an Ayoob:

https://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9c87c24ea7a7ee20?

Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:

http://www.11alive.com/news/article/251415/3/Doctor-Touts-Hunger (Luke
6:21a) with all glory to GOD, Who causes us to hunger (Deuteronomy
8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby removing the
http://WDJW.net/VAT

...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
EmoryIMVC.org Cardiologist
and Author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9ad0c19df5ffc2f7?


 
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From: Hunger is starvation <greenstu...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 04:44:20 -0800 (PST)
Local: Tues, Nov 20 2012 7:44 am
Subject: Re: Hunger is starvation
A Google search for the word "hunger" in conjunction with the word
"starvation" produced these synonymous results:

"Starvation: The term hunger refers to the symptoms and effects of
starvation. According to the World Health Organization, hunger is the
single gravest threat to the world"

"Starve | Define Starve at Dictionary.com
to cause to starve; kill, weaken, or reduce by lack of food by
hunger":
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/starve

"The world hunger problem: Facts, figures and statistics":
http://library.thinkquest.org/C002291/high/present/stats.htm

"Global Hunger - Bread for the World: Have Faith. End Hunger":
http://www.bread.org/hunger/global/

"Hunger and Children in America: A Slow and Steady Starvation":
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/US/hunger-children-america-slow-steady-s...

"Hunger Starvation":
http://www.geni.org/globalenergy/issues/global/qualityoflife/hunger/i...

"Stop Hunger Now":
http://www.stophungernow.org/site/PageServer

Also discovered was:

"OVERWEIGHT DIABETES PATIENTS LIVE LONGER":
http://www.redorbit.com/news/video/health_2/1112679920/overweight-dia...

"Overweight, obese people living longer even with diabetes":
http://preview.tinyurl.com/9tpfk43

"Study: Overweight People Live Longer":
http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20090625/study-overweight-people-live-...

"Excess Pounds, but Not Too Many, May Lead to Longer Life":
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/26/health/26weight.html

"Portland researchers find slightly overweight people live longer than
normal-weight people":
http://www.oregonlive.com/health/index.ssf/2009/06/portland_researche...

"A Little Extra Weight Protects People From Early Death":
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/06/090623133523.htm


 
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From: Hunger is starvation <blackstu...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 04:47:47 -0800 (PST)
Local: Tues, Nov 20 2012 7:47 am
Subject: Re: Hunger is starvation
A Google search of "Andrew Chung and Markea Blakely-Berry" produced
the following results:

"DR ANDREW CHUNG AND EBONY BERRY ACCUSED OF STARVING DAUGHTER"
http://lapanchinadimariella.forumfree.it/?t=62125479

"Ebony Berry, Mom who starved teen daughter Markea to death, linked to
'hunger' cure Doc (Video)"
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ebony-berry-mom-starved-teen...

"Update: Dr. Andrew Chung admits he spoke with starved teen's ..."
http://www.atoast2wealth.com/2012/06/27/update-dr-andrew-chung-admits...

"Update: Dr. Andrew Chung admits he spoke with starved teen's mom ..."
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TJE0OPIR81HG0GU23

"Being Hungry is Wonderful": Mother Who Allegedly Starved Daughter as
Part of a “Hunger Cult”
http://www.yourblackworld.net/2012/06/black-news/woman-starves-her-da...

"Dr Andrew Chung advocates 'wonderfully hungry' and is friends with
Ebony Berry, accused of starving daughter"
http://entertainment.topnewstoday.org/music/article/2644930/

"The doctor behind the ‘hunger cult’ that obsessed a mother who
‘starved her 16-year-old daughter to death"
http://investmentwatchblog.com/the-doctor-behind-the-hunger-cult-that...

--
Hunger is starvation.

"Starvation: The term hunger refers to the symptoms and effects of
starvation. According to the World Health Organization, hunger is the
single gravest threat to the world"

"Starve | Define Starve at Dictionary.com
to cause to starve; kill, weaken, or reduce by lack of food by
hunger":
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/starve

"The world hunger problem: Facts, figures and statistics":
http://library.thinkquest.org/C002291/high/present/stats.htm

"Global Hunger - Bread for the World: Have Faith. End Hunger":
http://www.bread.org/hunger/global/

"Hunger and Children in America: A Slow and Steady Starvation":
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/US/hunger-children-america-slow-steady-s...

"Hunger Starvation":
http://www.geni.org/globalenergy/issues/global/qualityoflife/hunger/i...

"Stop Hunger Now":
http://www.stophungernow.org/site/PageServer


 
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Discussion subject changed to "+Vanquishing the "hunger is starvation" delusion on 11/21/12 ..." by Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
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From: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 16:32:49 -0800 (PST)
Local: Wed, Nov 21 2012 7:32 pm
Subject: +Vanquishing the "hunger is starvation" delusion on 11/21/12 ...

Julie Bove wrote:

> "I'm starving!"

Source:
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/e55df55a1194...

> I don't know why.  Had my usual whole wheat toast for breakfast.  BG was not
> so good then.  181 before and 258 after.  But it had dropped to 121 before
> dinner.  Had a brown rice casserole with ground beef and tons of veggies in
> it.  BG was 134 after.  So slightly higher than it should be but not a
> concern.  This was on the lower dose of insulin.  Will lower the breakfast
> insulin tomorrow.  But...

> I am starving!

No you are not.

> Why?

Because starving people are dying from **weeks** of not eating and
dying people can't eat (i.e. are not hungry) much less type and post
on Usenet.

> Could it be that I am now digesting my food?

Being hungry means being able to digest food.

> I just don't know.

You are suffering terribly from the "hunger is starvation" (Genesis
25:32) delusion which scrambles the mind:

"I'm starving! I think I'm gonna die!" -- Julie Bove

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/15d86f761b4881e2?

> Ate a handful of peanuts.  Didn't quell the hunger.

That which kills the hunger would be killing you.

If you were to increase the amount of peanuts to 100 lbs, it would
likely kill the hunger and you.

> So I ate a bowl of little dill pickles and a few black olives.  Still hungry.  Grrr...

Yes, your "hunger is starvation" delusion is what caused you to have
type-2 diabetes from the outset.

Indeed, only the truth (John 14:6) can cure you:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a81a73f828c35ae2?

Being hungrier really is wonderfully healthier and is not starvation:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/eb477f76c3071d56?

So don't be an Ayoob:

https://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9c87c24ea7a7ee20?

Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:

http://www.11alive.com/news/article/251415/3/Doctor-Touts-Hunger (Luke
6:21a) with all glory to GOD, Who causes us to hunger (Deuteronomy
8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby removing the
http://WDJW.net/VAT

...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
EmoryIMVC.org Cardiologist
and Author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9ad0c19df5ffc2f7?


 
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Discussion subject changed to "Vanquishing Chung's "starvation is not hunger" delusion on 11/21/12 ..." by Virgil
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From: Virgil <vir...@ligriv.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 20:04:29 -0700
Local: Wed, Nov 21 2012 10:04 pm
Subject: Re:Vanquishing Chung's "starvation is not hunger" delusion on 11/21/12 ...
In article
<49c9b8f1-aedc-42a6-9772-84724d7c0...@i5g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
 "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote:

> So don't be an Ayoob:

> https://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9c87c24ea7a7ee20?

> Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
> diabetics and other heart disease patients:

But not for school children when going to classes.

So BE an Ayoob, and like him, support giving all children an adequate
breakfast before school.

"But Keith Ayoob, director of the Rose R. Kennedy Center Nutrition
Clinic at Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York City, said the
programs aren¹t the problem.
³There is a mountain of research that shows school breakfasts, and
particularly breakfast in the classroom, have a  positive outcomes,² he
said, describing a drop in truancy, behavior problems and visits to the
school nurse as well as an improvement in grades. ³School breakfasts are
not making kids overweight. If they¹re eating two breakfasts, parents
need to know that and adjust accordingly at home.²
Speaking to the New York Academy of Medicine Thursday, Ayoob defended
breakfast programs and stressed the importance of parents keeping track
of what their kids are eating.
³We don¹t want some kids going hungry just because some kids are
overeating,² he said. ³A child getting two breakfasts is a much easier
fix.²
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2012/04/20/school-breakfast-progra...
anned-for-feeding-kids-twice/

And, apparently, ABChung would rather have kids hungry all the time and
out of control in classes than breakfasted and good students.
--


 
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