Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> friend dsolo <dalesol...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > http://tinyurl.com/2h67k2
> >
> > Scherer cautions that until scientists figure out how to put the
> > findings to work in humans, "exercise and reduction of food intake are
> > the best ways to stay healthy."
>
> Well, I would agree that more research is certainly called for....
>
> The problem with statements calling for exercise and reduction of food
> intake is that they are too general, and do not take into account the
> peculiar makeup and set of constraints that apply to individuals.
Actually reduction in food intake is not possible while folks are not
aware of how much they are eating:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Healing
> For some
> people, certain kinds of exercise may be contra-indicated
There is only one exercise that can be universally recommended because
it is associated with less injuries than "activities of daily living:"
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/Taiji
>, and for people
> with some conditions food that is healthy for most of us may be very
> ill-advised.
Sherer's recommendations are about how much to eat (i.e. less) rather
than what to eat.
> Moreover, over-eating is not the universal problem for
> everyone...
It is for all those who have insulin resistance (IR/MetS) of type-2
diabetes because the bad "inside" fat (visceral adipose tissue or VAT)
arises only in the setting of overeating (stomach stretched thereby
killing the hunger).
> My suggestion is that maintaining hunger for hunger's sake as a
> way of life is fundamentally a bad idea.
Not when there is the understanding that only when we are hungry
(stomach laughing and singing) does our bodies get rid of the VAT.
This is by GOD's design, like it or not.
> What would be more to the point
> would be finding ways to be satiated in one's hunger
All things that kill (satiate) hunger has and will continue to
invariably turn out to be harmful.
Truly, hunger is a healthy appetite.
Hunger is wonderful.
Hunger is from GOD.
"HE (GOD) humbled you, causing you to hunger..." -- Moses (Deuteronomy
8:3)
Amen.
>, while not consuming
> more than the optimal caloric and nutritional requirements to maintain a
> healthy weight and physical condition.
The optimal amount of food to eat daily is an omer (Exodus 16:16).
With GOD's help, we have empirically determined an omer to be 32
ounces (aka 2 pounds).
It is not by chance that 16+16=32.
Indeed, all things that the world ascribes to chance happens by GOD
(Proverbs 16:33).
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
> > There is only one exercise that can be universally recommended because
> > it is associated with less injuries than "activities of daily living:"
> >
> > http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/Taiji
>
Yes. It can be done while sitting in a chair.
May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
than ever:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressReleas
tr...@is-best.com
on any topic, please read at least 3 of his other posts. Quickly you
will percieve clearly the truth of this warning. Any question his
opinion might suggest to you should be confirmed always with an expert
or others in the newsgroup.
Rod
I have, and more than 3 of his posts. You've lied, and thats simple
enough also.
Rod
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> satan via a sockpuppet hissed:
It is written that satan is the source of all lies and a murderer from
the very beginning.
May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
than ever:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/PressRelease
tr...@is-best.com
But did you then seek the input of an expert on the topic of his post or
that of other posters? If you use his opinion alone as the measure of
his opinion then what perspective can you have?
As for lies. please do provide examples. To be critical and to correct
our atlanta friend in his many flaws of fact and opinion is not in
itself a lie. If you can show a lie I will hasten to correct myself and
ask his pardon. Would you expect the same of him?
God bless.
tr...@is-best.com
"It is written that satan is the source of all lies and a murderer from
the very beginning."
As does scripture have much to say about false witness also.
I forgive you, if I have offended I ask your pardon.
May God bless and protect you and provide peace.
Rod
>> Before considering accepting or acting upon the opinions of andrew
> chung
>> on any topic, please read at least 3 of his other posts. Quickly you
>> will percieve clearly the truth of this warning. Any question his
>> opinion might suggest to you should be confirmed always with an expert
>> or others in the newsgroup.
>
> " I have, and more than 3 of his posts. You've lied, and thats simple
> enough also."
>
> But did you then seek the input of an expert on the topic of his post or
> that of other posters?
yes, I did. I spoke to my doctor about Andrews 2lb omer and how it
works, and he thought it was very good advice, AND for you nay sayers
out there, I have type 2 diabetes and it IS working for me. I have lost
weight, the tendency I had towards hyoglycemia has diminished to nearly
nothing, my blood pressure has come down from 143/70 with meds to 125/61
with meds. I am presently working towards 2lbs daily from 3 lbs. 8 ozs.
daily, and I feel much better.
> If you use his opinion alone as the measure of
> his opinion then what perspective can you have?
I have not used him to measure himself by, thats your opinion
and not to be confused with what actually happened. My doctor
believe it be intelligent and good advice, and it's getting results
for me. I want to live long enough to be productive for God and men
alike, and that WASN'T the road I previously travelled.
>
> As for lies. please do provide examples.
Your comment right above this is where I'll start, for you assumed
that I COULD NOT judge his actions and words correctly since I am
not in agreement with you.
And I will post again with what you asked for I a remember one other
post of yours making an assumption, and I'll find it as you have requested.
> To be critical and to correct
> our atlanta friend in his many flaws of fact and opinion is not in
> itself a lie.
Thats should apply to all of us, not just those we oppose.
> If you can show a lie I will hasten to correct myself and
> ask his pardon.
I have in this post, in the first few lines. My doctor is happy with
the results this is getting and I'm ecstatic to be feeling so well, it
almost feels as though it should be a crime.
I am proof of what Andrew has said, and if you need more proof then
write me at my email and I will provide that which you require SHORT
of doing an autopsy on me while still breathing.
> Would you expect the same of him?
I require it of me first and foremost, or I could not justly testify
to the good results that I am getting, and if I require this of myself
will I not also measure you by it as well ?
Rod
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>
> >> Before considering accepting or acting upon the opinions of andrew chung
> >> on any topic, please read at least 3 of his other posts. Quickly you
> >> will percieve clearly the truth of this warning. Any question his
> >> opinion might suggest to you should be confirmed always with an expert
> >> or others in the newsgroup.
> >
> > " I have, and more than 3 of his posts. You've lied, and thats simple
> > enough also."
> >
> > But did you then seek the input of an expert on the topic of his post or
> > that of other posters?
>
> yes, I did. I spoke to my doctor about Andrews 2lb omer and how it
> works, and he thought it was very good advice, AND for you nay sayers
> out there, I have type 2 diabetes and it IS working for me.
Eating less, down to the optimal amount (32 ounces) has worked for
everyone.
We are several months into aggressively looking for an exception and
there has been none to date:
> I have lost
> weight, the tendency I had towards hyoglycemia has diminished to nearly
> nothing, my blood pressure has come down from 143/70 with meds to 125/61
> with meds. I am presently working towards 2lbs daily from 3 lbs. 8 ozs.
> daily, and I feel much better.
All the praise and glory belongs to GOD here.
> > If you use his opinion alone as the measure of
> > his opinion then what perspective can you have?
>
> I have not used him to measure himself by, thats your opinion
> and not to be confused with what actually happened. My doctor
> believe it be intelligent and good advice, and it's getting results
> for me. I want to live long enough to be productive for God and men
> alike, and that WASN'T the road I previously travelled.
When we seek GOD's perfect will and find it, HE humbles us... making
us hungrier to equip us to do the good work HE has prepared in advance
for us to do.
> > As for lies. please do provide examples.
>
> Your comment right above this is where I'll start, for you assumed
> that I COULD NOT judge his actions and words correctly since I am
> not in agreement with you.
>
> And I will post again with what you asked for I a remember one other
> post of yours making an assumption, and I'll find it as you have requested.
You are writing to satan who is beyond all redemption...
... one who will remain eternally condemned for unwisely choosing to
blaspheme against the Holy Spirit.
Note how satan really hisses when it has been made known that "life
force energy" (Chi/Qi) is the breath of GOD for the brethren of LORD
Jesus Christ.
For Christ's brethren, the Holy Spirit is the Source of our Chi/Qi so
that we are made able to heal others...
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/Taiji
... and drive out non-corporeal demons.
> > To be critical and to correct
> > our atlanta friend in his many flaws of fact and opinion is not in
> > itself a lie.
>
> Thats should apply to all of us, not just those we oppose.
It is written that satan's native language is lying, however.
> > If you can show a lie I will hasten to correct myself and
> > ask his pardon.
>
> I have in this post, in the first few lines. My doctor is happy with
> the results this is getting and I'm ecstatic to be feeling so well, it
> almost feels as though it should be a crime.
Such is the miraculous power of healing from the Holy Spirit.
All the glory and praise belong to HIM.
HE is GOD.
> I am proof of what Andrew has said, and if you need more proof then
> write me at my email and I will provide that which you require SHORT
> of doing an autopsy on me while still breathing.
It remains my choice to continue to receive the guidance of the Holy
Spirit in everything I say, do, and write.
The 2PD-OMER Approach is inspired by HIM.
For this reason, it is easy to redirect all praise and glory to HIM so
that we will both be that much more blessed (hungrier).
> > Would you expect the same of him?
>
> I require it of me first and foremost, or I could not justly testify
> to the good results that I am getting, and if I require this of myself
> will I not also measure you by it as well ?
>
> Rod
It is written that satan is the source of all lies...
... that he has been a liar and a murderer from the beginning.
GOD has already measured and rejected him...
... thrown him out of heaven to roam the earth until cast into that
lake of fire that is being readied for him.
May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
than ever:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease
Rod
I thought I was responding to a man. Do not all men have some evil
that still lives in their hearts ? I ask this question first of myself
since surely being human some of satan has dwelled in me as well, and
yet I find it's presence in me and about me disturbing on so many
levels.
>
> ... one who will remain eternally condemned for unwisely choosing to
> blaspheme against the Holy Spirit.
>
> Note how satan really hisses when it has been made known that "life
> force energy" (Chi/Qi) is the breath of GOD for the brethren of LORD
> Jesus Christ.
I have heard this Chi mentioned many times but I do not know what it is.
>
> For Christ's brethren, the Holy Spirit is the Source of our Chi/Qi so
> that we are made able to heal others...
>
> http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/Taiji
>
> ... and drive out non-corporeal demons.
>
>>> To be critical and to correct
>>> our atlanta friend in his many flaws of fact and opinion is not in
>>> itself a lie.
>> Thats should apply to all of us, not just those we oppose.
>
> It is written that satan's native language is lying, however.
>
>>> If you can show a lie I will hasten to correct myself and
>>> ask his pardon.
>> I have in this post, in the first few lines. My doctor is happy with
>> the results this is getting and I'm ecstatic to be feeling so well, it
>> almost feels as though it should be a crime.
>
> Such is the miraculous power of healing from the Holy Spirit.
Amen! Glory be to God for this great work!
May He bless you abundantly Andrew.
Good Evening.
Rod
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
You are also responding to a proxy/sockpuppet of satan...
... a mere shell of a human.
> Do not all men have some evil that still lives in their hearts ?
There never was nor is there evil in the heart of Jesus.
> ask this question first of myself
> since surely being human some of satan has dwelled in me as well, and
> yet I find it's presence in me and about me disturbing on so many
> levels.
GOD has allowed satan to plant his lies even in the hearts of Jesus'
disciples (Luke 24:13-35).
We are not greater than HIS disciples.
> >
> > ... one who will remain eternally condemned for unwisely choosing to
> > blaspheme against the Holy Spirit.
> >
> > Note how satan really hisses when it has been made known that "life
> > force energy" (Chi/Qi) is the breath of GOD for the brethren of LORD
> > Jesus Christ.
>
> I have heard this Chi mentioned many times but I do not know what it is.
For Christ's brethren, Chi/Qi is GOD's breath.
>From John 20:21-23
Again Jesus said, "Peace be with you! As the Father has sent ME, I am
sending you." And with that HE breathed on them and said, "Receive the
Holy Spirit. If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you
do not forgive them, they are not forgiven."
Amen.
> > For Christ's brethren, the Holy Spirit is the Source of our Chi/Qi so
> > that we are made able to heal others...
> >
> > http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/Taiji
> >
> > ... and drive out non-corporeal demons.
> >
> >>> To be critical and to correct
> >>> our atlanta friend in his many flaws of fact and opinion is not in
> >>> itself a lie.
> >> Thats should apply to all of us, not just those we oppose.
> >
> > It is written that satan's native language is lying, however.
> >
> >>> If you can show a lie I will hasten to correct myself and
> >>> ask his pardon.
> >> I have in this post, in the first few lines. My doctor is happy with
> >> the results this is getting and I'm ecstatic to be feeling so well, it
> >> almost feels as though it should be a crime.
> >
> > Such is the miraculous power of healing from the Holy Spirit.
>
> Amen! Glory be to God for this great work!
Laus Deo !
>
> >
> > All the glory and praise belong to HIM.
> >
> > HE is GOD.
> >
> >> I am proof of what Andrew has said, and if you need more proof then
> >> write me at my email and I will provide that which you require SHORT
> >> of doing an autopsy on me while still breathing.
> >
> > It remains my choice to continue to receive the guidance of the Holy
> > Spirit in everything I say, do, and write.
> >
> > The 2PD-OMER Approach is inspired by HIM.
> >
> > For this reason, it is easy to redirect all praise and glory to HIM so
> > that we will both be that much more blessed (hungrier).
> >
> >>> Would you expect the same of him?
> >> I require it of me first and foremost, or I could not justly testify
> >> to the good results that I am getting, and if I require this of myself
> >> will I not also measure you by it as well ?
> >>
> >> Rod
> >
> > It is written that satan is the source of all lies...
> >
> > ... that he has been a liar and a murderer from the beginning.
> >
> > GOD has already measured and rejected him...
> >
> > ... thrown him out of heaven to roam the earth until cast into that
> > lake of fire that is being readied for him.
> >
> > May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
> > than ever:
> >
> > http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease
>
> May He bless you abundantly Andrew.
HE has more that the world will ever know:
http://TruthRUS.org/DreadNought
And, so HE has humbled me causing me to be infinitely hungrier :-)
"HE (GOD) humbled you causing you to hunger and then feeding you with
manna, which neither you nor your forefathers knew anything about, in
order to teach you that man does not live on bread alone but on every
word that comes from the mouth of the LORD." -- Moses (Deuteronomy
8:3)
Amen.
May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
than ever:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/PressRelease
tr...@is-best.com
I see no example of a lie in the least from the above. I see rhetorical
tap dancing to make it seem so only.
I would like to consult your doctor for your claims. First to confirm
your claims and secondly to make sure he has been appraised fully as to
what the 'two pouhnd diet' is in fact and in practice and as to its
"scientific" claims.
Please provide contact information and confirm with him your
willlingness to permit him to discuss your diabetes and the use of the
two pound diet. This is in light of the privacy laws concerning medical
information.
Because you are a diabetic you are particurally at risk if he is not
fully informed about it.
As for your confidence in and assumed common religious views concerning
andrew chung, do you think he commits sin? Did you reply to those false
teachings I outlined for you previously he presents?
As for your views of me, do you think them false witness considering the
minimal information you have of me?
God bless.
ted rosenberg
Please Please do not feed the Troll
ANYTHING posted by Andrew is, of course, troll droppings, and a sock
puppet posting which claims that a real doctor agrees with him is also TROLL
tr...@is-best.com
> Note how satan really hisses when it has been made known that "life
> force energy" (Chi/Qi) is the breath of GOD for the brethren of LORD
> Jesus Christ.
" I have heard this Chi mentioned many times but I do not know what it
is."
> For Christ's brethren, the Holy Spirit is the Source of our Chi/Qi so
> that we are made able to heal others...
"Chi" is but one of our friend's several false teachings. It is a
concept he borrows from the false religion of taoism. In that religion
it is considered an "energy force" within all living and even non-living
things. If one uses certain techniques "chi" can be used to perform
magical acts, as he alludes to above. If you have ever seen a kung fu
movie where the characters jump over a building or fly, it is because
they are using "chi" as a magical power to do so.
Our friend mixes and confuses "chi" with the Holy Spirit, as above. It
is with "chi" he asserts he has special insight or "perception" as part
of the magical powers it provides him. It is that which he has in mind
when he suggests the Holy Spirit is providing him special insights or
direction when he quoates the Holy Spirit..
God bless.
Rod
Just as soon as you confirm your identity so that I know to whom and
WHAT is asking for private personal info, that and of course you will
sign an affidavit afterward taking full responsibility for the info you
are given, and putting up a $200,000 bond in the event that your name
and info are false and taking full responsibility for any damages done
to me by your use and misuse of my info.
Rod
I can see that very little of any evidence I can provide to you here
will matter. Your goal is to make a liar of anyone that that may be
able to refute your claims. When you reveal to me your name and personal
info by email, and give me the opportunity to verify what you've given
me then we will proceed from there. However, my personal info is coded
into every post I make. You show me goodwill by email and I will
reciprocate by telling you how to decode my info. There is no reason
for either of us to trust the other with our personal info, so the first
move is yours, as you are totally anonymous.
Rod
Beav
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heart...@emorycardiology.com> wrote in message
news:1188046069.8...@q5g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> friend Rod wrote:
>> satan via a sockpuppet hissed:
>> >
>> > Before considering accepting or acting upon the opinions of andrew
>> > chung
>> > on any topic, please read at least 3 of his other posts. Quickly you
>> > will percieve clearly the truth of this warning. Any question his
>> > opinion might suggest to you should be confirmed always with an expert
>> > or others in the newsgroup.
>>
>> I have, and more than 3 of his posts. You've lied, and thats simple
>> enough also.
>>
>> Rod
>
> It is written that satan is the source of all lies and a murderer from
> the very beginning.
You two must be the best of friends then. Cunt.
--
Beav
VN 750
Zed 1000
OMF# 19
Rod
In other words there is no room for the truth but plenty of room for
your lies.
You're pathetic
tr...@is-best.com
>> I am proof of what Andrew has said, and if you need more proof then
>> write me at my email and I will provide that which you require SHORT
>> of doing an autopsy on me while still breathing.
Upon asking for "proof" we find:
" I can see that very little of any evidence I can provide to you here
will matter. Your goal is to make a liar of anyone that that may be
able to refute your claims. When you reveal to me your name and personal
info by email, and give me the opportunity to verify what you've given
me then we will proceed from there. However, my personal info is coded
into every post I make. You show me goodwill by email and I will
reciprocate by telling you how to decode my info. There is no reason for
either of us to trust the other with our personal info, so the first
move is yours, as you are totally anonymous."
To provide "proof" one needs access to your doctor for consultation as
to exactly what he understands the two pound diet to be as you relayed
it to him and to which you claim he agrees.
All the above is stalling and hand waving. You offered your doc as the
expert you consulted as to the two pound diet. Ok, let's have at him
for confirmation.
Beyond the two pound bit, did you discuss with your doctor what those
pounds should contain? Did you come to an agreement with him what the
diet has to do with exercise? Did you discuss with him why this is any
different then any other calorie restriction scheme? Did you discuss
with him how andrew cane by way of lone ranger bible reading his opinion
of a diet?
As important for me is the part you snipped, sent again for your
consideration below. You seem to place great stock in andrew for his
religious views and how that reflects upon his two pound diet notion.
Again if you please:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> satan via a sockpuppet hissed:
> >> >
> >> > Before considering accepting or acting upon the opinions of andrew
> >> > chung
> >> > on any topic, please read at least 3 of his other posts. Quickly you
> >> > will percieve clearly the truth of this warning. Any question his
> >> > opinion might suggest to you should be confirmed always with an expert
> >> > or others in the newsgroup.
> >>
> >> I have, and more than 3 of his posts. You've lied, and thats simple
> >> enough also.
> >>
> >> Rod
> >
> > It is written that satan is the source of all lies and a murderer from
> > the very beginning.
>
> You two must be the best of friends then. Cunt.
Your name-calling simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely
right to convict you:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Rod
I stated my terms. I will not turn my personal info over to a
complete stranger even if you are stupid enough to expect that I would.
Comply with my terms or continue your hand waving and crying foul.
tr...@is-best.com
>> Beyond the two pound bit, did you discuss with your doctor what those
>> pounds should contain? Did you come to an agreement with him what the
>> diet has to do with exercise? Did you discuss with him why this is any
>> different then any other calorie restriction scheme? Did you discuss
>> with him how andrew cane by way of lone ranger bible reading his opinion
>> of a diet?
>>
>> As important for me is the part you snipped, sent again for your
>> consideration below. You seem to place great stock in andrew for his
>> religious views and how that reflects upon his two pound diet notion.
>> Again if you please:
>>
>> As for your confidence in and assumed common religious views concerning
>> andrew chung, do you think he commits sin? Did you reply to those false
>> teachings I outlined for you previously he presents?
>>
>> As for your views of me, do you think them false witness considering the
>> minimal information you have of me?
>>
>> God bless.
>
>
> I stated my terms. I will not turn my personal info over to a
>complete stranger even if you are stupid enough to expect that I would.
>Comply with my terms or continue your hand waving and crying foul.
No longer interested in your private information to confirm anything,
your obtuse "terms" clearly a refusal in practice to present
confirmation of your claims external to yourself.
Only interested in the above, if you please. We can discuss the points
above and bring this quickly to an end.
God bless.
Rod
For me it is at an end. You are clearly evasive and dishonest, no
further conversation between us is possible under these conditions.
Goodbye.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed:
If satan were to leave his shadows of deceit to comply with your
terms, he would find himself cast into that lake of fire that awaits
him, his sockpuppets (corporeal demons) and his demons (lying
spirits).
May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
than ever:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/PressRelease
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Rod
The spirit of something devious certainly is using him. Andrew, I
have traced his posts and they are coming from Carnegie Mellon
University. I have contacted them by email and will be talking with them
tomorrow by
phone. This guy is evidently in violation of the acceptable use policy
due to his spamming the news group in responses to you. His devious
practices have earned him a complaint tonight.
Rod
tr...@is-best.com
further conversation between us is possible under these conditions.
Goodbye."
I guess this kitchen was too hot for you after all? If there was
anything "dishonest" it was you for yourself when the answers even to
non- private medical questions became obvious weaknesses to your claims.
So we are left with speculation based on what little you have presented
that seem to fit:
1. he told his doc he had a suggestion from another doc that two pounds
of food was a good diet. His doc doing a fast computation in his head
saw that considering his patients current weight that for a generic meal
two pounds would be a calorie decrease and said, "ok".
2. The doc and patient did not know according to the other doc it could
be two pounds of sugar for the diabetic patient. Contents are not
relevant according to the two pound diet.
3. the doc was unaware that the other doc puts down exercise as part of
diabetes treatment and weight control.
4. the doc was completely unaware that the source of the diet was the
invention of a lone ranger bible reader who invented it from his
imagination from a misreading of scripture. It was in part also based
on a confusion of the contents of a movie he saw.
As for my questions about andrew's religious views concerning himself
and how they reflect on his two pound diet notions, read this exchange
from the past on this newsgroup. Does a man who makes this claim
increase our faith in his notions? We need only read the scripture
presented below to decide.
> Dr. Chung do you sin?
"No."
> Please provide examples of how often
"Zero."
> and of what kind?
"None."
The word of the Lord in measure of the above:
If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in
us.
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our
sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in
us.
Rod
> " For me it is at an end. You are clearly evasive and dishonest, no
> further conversation between us is possible under these conditions.
>
> Goodbye."
>
> I guess this kitchen was too hot for you after all?
All you had to do to get the info was comply with my demands
for my peace of mind. I would like to know whom you are and will
eventually find out anyway as I would like to know what it is you are
hiding from! I'm certain that you are in violation of acceptable use
policy at Carnegie Mellon. I'm a patient person.
> If there was
> anything "dishonest" it was you for yourself when the answers even to
> non- private medical questions became obvious weaknesses to your claims.
There is no such thing as non private information when of a medical
issue when an anonymous person requests it. You're really very desperate
and out of line on this one.
You are caught with your pants down and your lack of moral character
is showing behind that facade of Christianity.....
Your dishonesty is showing, and you can't conceal it by muddying the
waters or clouding the sky.
panam...@hotmail.com
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
snip
> The spirit of something devious certainly is using him. Andrew, I
> have traced his posts and they are coming from Carnegie Mellon
> University. I have contacted them by email and will be talking with them
> tomorrow by
> phone. This guy is evidently in violation of the acceptable use policy
> due to his spamming the news group in responses to you. His devious
> practices have earned him a complaint tonight.
>
> Rod
Defending Chung and calling someone *else* a spammer? ROFLMAO!
Pot. Kettle. Black. He must be winning the argument if you're
resorting to such tactics.
-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015/KoBAAWA!
Rod
but an uncalled for disclosure of personal medical info to
anonymous persons. Whether you like Andrew, God or me is not
the issue here. Your beliefs are your choice to make, you've made
that choice and I respect your right to retain that, please respect
out right to believe as you would have us do to you.
tr...@is-best.com
No, I made it clear non-private information would do in the post before
last. That information was only about what you told your doc the two
pound diet was and how it came to be invented. By this we could see on
what basis he said it "ok" for you. It would also reveal your
understanding of same. You used him as your claim to having gotten
"expert" confirmation about the two pound diet. What you know and what
he came to know from you is most relevant to your claim.
Because you can not provide even that information we were left to
speculation, which I think hit near the mark indeed. I would be happy
to continue to explore his and your understanding of the two pound diet
and the information on which he said "ok".
I have nothing to hide. In fact I'm not even relevant to the questions
raised about the two pound diet and the religious views of andrew about
himself. If I did not exist they would remain.
Did you read his view about his sin and the scripture by which anyone
can judge his response, This too even if I did not exist.
Likewise your views of me are accordingly irrlevant to the questions at
hand. They like the elephant in the living room remain.
As for your accusations, I for give you, pardon me if I have offended.
God bless.
Rod
>>> " For me it is at an end. You are clearly evasive and dishonest, no
>>> further conversation between us is possible under these conditions.
>>>
>>> Goodbye."
>>>
>>> I guess this kitchen was too hot for you after all?
>> All you had to do to get the info was comply with my demands
>> for my peace of mind. I would like to know whom you are and will
>> eventually find out anyway as I would like to know what it is you are
>> hiding from! I'm certain that you are in violation of acceptable use
>> policy at Carnegie Mellon. I'm a patient person.
>>
>>
>>> If there was
>>> anything "dishonest" it was you for yourself when the answers even to
>>> non- private medical questions became obvious weaknesses to your claims.
>>
>> There is no such thing as non private information when of a medical
>> issue when an anonymous person requests it. You're really very desperate
>> and out of line on this one.
>>
>> You are caught with your pants down and your lack of moral character
>> is showing behind that facade of Christianity.....
>>
>>
>> Your dishonesty is showing, and you can't conceal it by muddying the
>> waters or clouding the sky.
>
> No, I made it clear non-private information would do in the post before
> last. That information was only about what you told your doc the two
> pound diet was and how it came to be invented.
Why your concern about my conversations with MY doctor? Why do
you inject yourself in something that is not your business? If I
had wanted you for a protector of my well being i would certainly
ask you, however I'm fully grown and don't need your help to make
decisions.
However, out of courtesy I will tell you as I don't have to reveal
any personal info. I copied Andrews webpage and took it with me
to an appointment, and also quoted some of the discussions Andrew has
had with others and me. My doctor IS of the opinion still that this
has been good for me. I've lost 19 pounds slowly over 3 weeks and I
have been tapering off on my food intake, staying clear of fried foods
and eating salads, seafoods (not all), and broiled or baked chicken and
fish I've had an A1c test 4 days ago and it has come down from 6.0
to 5.2. I have more energy than I have had, and my bp is down as I
mentioned in a previous post. My pulse rate has my doctor very happy
as it has varied at rest from 50 to 61, my med has been cut from 100
mg Toprol Xl to 75 mg, enalipril remains at 5 mg, and hcz at 25 mg, each
daily.
I am down to 3 lbs and 8 ozs daily intake. I really haven't altered
my eating habits that much except for cutting out the fried foods and
the over eating.
Now it hasn't escaped my notice that you have an axe to grind with
Andrew, but Andrew is my brother if Christ and I have gone as far as I
will go towards convincing you. You are still anonymous and unknown
to me, and if you want to earn my trust you can start by coming out from
behind that shell you hide behind at Carnegie.
I've told you as much as I am willing to until you demonstrate you have
nothing to hide or fear. Brothers in Christ don't HIDE from one another,
do you understand what I'm not so plainly telling you ?
Rev. BR Collins
>
> - Show quoted text -
I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one that "Liar Rod" is
harassing.
"Liar Rod" is what Puster Steve Winter would call a "spiritual whore".
You will do or say anything to "score" some attention, "Liar Rod".
BTW, my 72 hours are up, little swine.
Everytime you open your big mouth, you just prove to everyone what a
lying filthy scumbag you really are, "Liar Rod".
Have a BLESSED Day,
Rev. BR Collins
Rod
You're just another obsessed troll
>
>
>
> Have a BLESSED Day,
>
>
> Rev. BR Collins
>
One thing is certain, you'll go out of your way to continue
stalking me......
You should get some help for your obsession with me. Perhaps
you should post to one of the homosexual groups and they can
teach you more about those "stalking urges" you get now and
again....
Try and understand this fag boy, I'm not gay and I'm not
interested in YOU
Sanity's Little Helper
news:3EpAi.50886$YL5....@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net to
sci.med.cardiology:
Do let us know if you get a reply, and what that reply says. If you do
not report it, it can be taken that they didn't even bother to reply. My
money is on them not bothering with your complaint, with short odds
against them telling you to grow the fuck up.
--
David Silverman C.B.E.
aa #2208
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> friend Rod <kc0...@att.net> wrote:
> > have traced his posts and they are coming from Carnegie Mellon
> > University. I have contacted them by email and will be talking with
> > them tomorrow by
> > phone. This guy is evidently in violation of the acceptable use policy
> > due to his spamming the news group in responses to you. His devious
> > practices have earned him a complaint tonight.
> >
> > Rod
> >
>
> Do let us know if you get a reply, and what that reply says. If you do
> not report it, it can be taken that they didn't even bother to reply. My
> money is on them not bothering with your complaint, with short odds
> against them telling you to grow the fuck up.
Matthew 7:1-2 comes to mind here.
The words you have heard from Emory University in response to **your**
false complaints have likely given you tinnitus when they have rung
true :-)
This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict
you:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Sanity's Little Helper
news:ZlqAi.4662$Oo....@newssvr17.news.prodigy.net to
sci.med.cardiology:
Beliefs have no place in a sci.med newsgroup. Usenet is structured to
allow for people to use the appropriate newsgroups, and since what Andrew
does is religious spamming, he is ignoring this fact. Hence the hostility
toward him. Maybe, as his friend, you could try and get him to see this,
rather than riding shotgun for him whilst he destroys a newsgroup in the
sci. heirarchy.
And before anybody bleats about this newsgroup being "unmoderated", that
does not give anybody a licence to try and control it by endlessly
spamming it, convicting people, demonising people, misrepresenting
themselves, Emory University, the truth, the English language, logic,
their own scriptures or scientific facts.
Unmoderated newsgroups function on trust, and an appeal to good conduct
based on mutual respect. There are those who do not understand the basic
principles of respect, and Chung is one of them. Vilification is the
inevitable consequence of their activities, and nobody should be so
stupid as to try and defend them. To do so is to tar yourself with the
same brush.
--
David Silverman C.B.E. (convicted and proud)
aa #2208
Sanity's Little Helper
sci.med.cardiology:
I have not complained to Emory University. They, however, have complained
about you.
> This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict
> you:
>
Delusions of agency noted
David Silverman C.B.E.
aa #2208
"Fuck! I used up my last non-sequitur" - Andrew B Chung
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
That is not what I know. Still count many at Emory to be friends who
keep me posted about your antics:
> They, however, have complained about you.
If that were true, it should be easy for you to post copies of their
email to you here.
Not holding my breath waiting for this, however :-)
Would suggest you inform your doctor about your delusions that Emory
University has sought you out to complain to you about my personal
choice to remain openly Christian in these Spirit-guided posts to
usenet.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> friend Rod <kc0...@att.net> wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> The spirit of something devious certainly is using him. Andrew, I
> >>> have traced his posts and they are coming from Carnegie Mellon
> >>> University. I have contacted them by email and will be talking with
> >>> them tomorrow by
> >>> phone. This guy is evidently in violation of the acceptable use
> >>> policy due to his spamming the news group in responses to you. His
> >>> devious practices have earned him a complaint tonight.
> >>>
> >>> Rod
> >>
> >> Defending Chung and calling someone *else* a spammer? ROFLMAO!
> >>
> >> Pot. Kettle. Black. He must be winning the argument if you're
> >> resorting to such tactics.
> >>
> > but an uncalled for disclosure of personal medical info to
> > anonymous persons. Whether you like Andrew, God or me is not
> > the issue here. Your beliefs are your choice to make, you've made
> > that choice and I respect your right to retain that, please respect
> > out right to believe as you would have us do to you.
>
> Beliefs have no place in a sci.med newsgroup. Usenet is structured to
> allow for people to use the appropriate newsgroups, and since what Andrew
> does is religious spamming, he is ignoring this fact. Hence the hostility
> toward him. Maybe, as his friend, you could try and get him to see this,
> rather than riding shotgun for him whilst he destroys a newsgroup in the
> sci. heirarchy.
"No man can destroy that which GOD blesses." -- Holy Spirit
Amen.
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Sanity's Little Helper
sci.med.cardiology:
I suggest you contact your doctor about your delusions that I am in
direct contact with Emory University. I don't need to be in order to know
the truth.
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
> >
> > ... it should be easy for you to post copies of their email to you here.
> >
> > Not holding my breath waiting for this, however :-)
>
> direct contact with Emory University.
It would be a delusion if I held such a belief but obviously I
don't :-)
> I don't need to be in order to know the truth.
Actually, you do need to become a Christian to know the truth, Who is
LORD Jesus Christ :-)
"I am the way, the truth, and the life." -- LORD Jesus Christ
Amen.
Rod
Says someone with no beliefs at all. Belief in God has EVEYTHING to
do with healing, and atheism does not confer dictatorial privilege, nor
does the charter for the group.
You're out of line David...
Rod
This attitude only goes further to demonstrate liberal bias and a
lack of social values that determine personal behavior in public areas.
Your tendency towards being an animal is nothing new David....
ted rosenberg
> tr...@is-best.com wrote:
<snip>
will the two of you take your discussion of scam diets elsewhere
and NO CHUNG TROLL DROPPINGS
ted rosenberg
look you piece of shilling fecal matter
go back to kissings the Chung troll's ass and STAY OFF OF LEGITIMATE
NEWS GROUPS
tr...@is-best.com
about the two pound diet. Thus It was not I who "injected" myself
anywhere.
We still do not know exactly what the doc knows about the two pound
diet or what he understands about it nor of his awareness of its
history.
The above detail is fine but not requested. By the looks of it your
results are explained by the weight loss, they are quite typical in
fact.
The two pound diet in some people depending on what they choose to put
in it will cause weitht loss because of calorie restriction relative to
their energy needs. For others and other choices with the same needs it
will cause weight gain.
The contents make all the difference for someone with diabetes, but
andrew says two pounds and unger and that is it.
Exercise is ignored in the two pound diet. Exercise is very important
for a diabetic because of its benefits for insulin resistance.
The invention of the two pound diet, it has changed in explanation over
time, is a twisted path of confusion and muddled thinking and half
truths and a host of ignored science to the contrary. By other of your
posts to others I see you are determined to support the two pound diet
come what may. That's fine, but it still is trash science and I would
be happy to discuss this point with your doctor minus any reference to
your medical information. Then and only then can we confirm that he as
an "expert" concurs with the claims andrew makes for it.
God bless.
tr...@is-best.com
>> have traced his posts and they are coming from Carnegie Mellon>>
University. I have contacted them by email and will be talking with them
>> tomorrow by
>> phone. This guy is evidently in violation of the acceptable use
policy
>> due to his spamming the news group in responses to you. His devious
>> practices have earned him a complaint tonight.
"Tracing", hardly, most newsreaders display such information in the
header of a post. I will look forward to exploring this entire topic
with them if they should ask. We can go post by post to find that
violation of use that seems so clear to you. It looks from here more
like painting oneself into a corner and crying foul. We can compare the
number and content of your posts and same of andrew for good measure to
get a feeling for what "spam" is.
God bless.
Rod
Lets say this because it is true...it is working for me now, my
glucose is down below 100 where my doctor wants it, and I furnished
you with my other numbers. Very few other things worked as well as this
one has, so naturally I am not going to abandon it.
> That's fine, but it still is trash science and I would
> be happy to discuss this point with your doctor minus any reference to
> your medical information.
Look....you are evidently some kind of professional or on the track to
being one. Belief in God plays a large part in the healing process for
me, and as it IS me I'm trying to get healed here, and it's working.
> Then and only then can we confirm that he as
> an "expert" concurs with the claims andrew makes for it.
Your confirming his claims is not nearly as important to me
as the results I am getting, but they seem to be to you, so let
me say two words to you and I think you'll understand how I feel..
PILTDOWN MAN...
Now THAT was TRASH SCIENCE......
Rod
Rod
Ted, as I had written earlier to you in an email, belief plays a large
role in my life as far as living and healing goes. Since life and
healing are inseparable I will not be doing any atheists or anyone else
a favor by dictating to me how my healing will occur or what will be in
my posts. if you fell thats to much for you then you are free to filter
me at your discretion, without my complaining about it.
You need to understand that faith has everything to do with healing
in the lives of Christians and that you don't have the exclusive right
to dictate what will and will not be in our posts pertaining to
anything, in particular healing, except as it applies to the topic, and
in this instance FAITH applies in the life of a christain.
So I'm sure you've been told before, use your filter.
Rod
So...is this an admission that you make it up as you go ?
Rod
Rod
As I have told you via email, cooperation = proof. You have accused
Andrew openly of being in need of hospitalization. if all you have is
hearsay and insinuation as a substitute for proof, then you should know
that it is you that shall be subject to that scrutiny next.
Rod
Sanity's Little Helper
news:__zAi.12127$3x....@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net to
sci.med.cardiology:
Now, you're just whining.
Rod
Whatever it takes to ease your conscience........
Sanity's Little Helper
@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net to sci.med.cardiology:
Belief in God has nothing to do with healing, apart from the fact that
occasionally, it hinders it, even to the point of being fatal if
scientific medicine is abandoned in favour of faith. I have a friend who
lost his wife because of that very fact.
Sanity's Little Helper
@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net to sci.med.cardiology:
Q,E.D.
Rod
Mine is clear. Q,E.D.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> convicted neighbor David Silverman (satan's Little Helper) wrote:
> > friend Rod <kc0...@att.net> wrote:
> >>> friend Rod <kc0...@att.net> wrote:
> >>>>> friend Rod <kc0...@att.net> wrote:
> >>>>>> have traced his posts and they are coming from Carnegie Mellon
> >>>>>> University. I have contacted them by email and will be talking with
> >>>>>> them tomorrow by
> >>>>>> phone. This guy is evidently in violation of the acceptable use
> >>>>>> policy due to his spamming the news group in responses to you. His
> >>>>>> devious practices have earned him a complaint tonight.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Rod
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> Do let us know if you get a reply, and what that reply says. If you
> >>>>> do not report it, it can be taken that they didn't even bother to
> >>>>> reply. My money is on them not bothering with your complaint, with
> >>>>> short odds against them telling you to grow the fuck up.
> >>>>>
> >>>> This attitude only goes further to demonstrate liberal bias and a
> >>>> lack of social values that determine personal behavior in public
> >>>> areas.
> >>>>
> >>>> Your tendency towards being an animal is nothing new David....
> >>>>
> >>> Now, you're just whining.
> >>>
> >> Whatever it takes to ease your conscience........
> >
> > Q,E.D.
>
> Mine is clear. Q,E.D.
Rest assured that just as GOD has the last word in Bob Pastorio's
death, HE will have the last word when David Silverman dies.
In the interim, let us continue to pray for dear David and all the
others who have been convicted by the Holy Spirit:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
Rod
On your part I quite agree, but you and I are not alike. I have faith
in God, you have no faith at all, and thats the deciding factor for
some.
apart from the fact that
> occasionally, it hinders it, even to the point of being fatal if
> scientific medicine is abandoned in favour of faith.
I can agree with this, and I've seen the evidence for it. However,
what does the evidence speak to in itself ? Lack of faith ? I doubt
that. Sins that remain before God ? Possibly, from my POV. Remeber,
you're talking to a follower of Christ, so I won't be willing to see
things from your POV as that would mean abandoning my faith for a short
period to understand thoroughly your POV.
> I have a friend who
> lost his wife because of that very fact.
>
I'm sorry for his loss. Was he christian scientist or an offshoot
of it by chance ? There are many that are known as santa maria
practioners, a combination of Christianity, voodoo and Mary
worship, derived from catholicism and voodoo. And many more are
just those that choose christian fellowship thru the home, or are
not christian at all but blame God nonetheless. From the christian
POV, these are not excuses per se, but reasons why the faith has
failed, as the faiht bhas not followed the pattern dictated by God,
so He does not accept the pleas...
Remember, my POV is that of a follower of Christ, so that is how
I see it.
Also remember, that IT is working for me, and IT was a part of
my life before I had the immediate need.
tr...@is-best.com
" Lets say this because it is true...it is working for me now, my
glucose is down below 100 where my doctor wants it, and I furnished
you with my other numbers. Very few other things worked as well as this
one has, so naturally I am not going to abandon it.
> That's fine, but it still is trash science and I would
> be happy to discuss this point with your doctor minus any reference to
> your medical information.
Look....you are evidently some kind of professional or on the track
to
being one. Belief in God plays a large part in the healing process
for
me, and as it IS me I'm trying to get healed here, and it's working.
> Then and only then can we confirm that he as
> an "expert" concurs with the claims andrew makes for it.
Your confirming his claims is not nearly as important to me
as the results I am getting, but they seem to be to you, so let
me say two words to you and I think you'll understand how I feel..
PILTDOWN MAN...
Now THAT was TRASH SCIENCE......
You lost weight and are eating a sensible diet by its contents. This is
totaly irrelevant to the claims of the two pound diet. Your metabolic
number changes are consistant with that weight loss, also irrelevant to
the claims of the two pound idet.
Two pounds of some foods will cause weight loss, some will cause weight
gain.
There is nothing magical about two pounds either in science/medicine nor
scripture, andrew's muddled musings notwithstanding. The two pound diet
is trash science. Why does andrew ignore the many bits of science to
the contrary which refute in part and in whole his claims?
As for your two word example, anothr two come to mind:
completely irrelevant.
My faith is likewise important to me.
Keep up the good work on the glucose control, let your meter be your
guide alone. It will tell you by weight or any other measure how and
what kinds of food can be eaten to reach your goals.
God bless.
Rod
Listen BLOCKHEAD, I furnished you with PROOF of my identity
for the express purpose of distinguishing between Andrew and
myself. The fact that you are unable to handle that information
with any degree of measurable intelligence is NOT license for you
to troll me OR make false accusations against Andrew and I.
As both Christians and non believers alike are welcomeed in these
groups for disussion and debate, and as God palys a large part
in the healing of Christian lives, our comments will remain in this
group.
If you don't like that then thats just to bad. Dictate terms to
someone else, you fascist pig!
Use your filter, if you have wit enough about you to do so, which
YOU have given me reason to DOUBT!
Deal with it!
Rod
I look forward to better times ahead with God!
>
> In the interim, let us continue to pray for dear David and all the
> others who have been convicted by the Holy Spirit:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
>
> Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Cardiologist
>
Rod
Sanity's Little Helper
news:P2DAi.6951$924....@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net to alt.atheism:
> ]
Thanks for that, Rod. You just allayed any qualms I might have about
tarring you with the same brush as Andy. Welcome to hell.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
That will be the rest of eternity in our new resurrection bodies in
the midst of a new Heaven, new Earth, and new Jerusalem.
Meanwhile, there will be a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth as has
already started now:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e76ea13da1ed24cd?
> >
> > In the interim, let us continue to pray for dear David and all the
> > others who have been convicted by the Holy Spirit:
> >
> > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
>
> Rod
May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
than ever:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/PressRelease
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
tr...@is-best.com
Correction, I did not write any of the above despite the attribution
heading it. It comes of responding in the post of one person to the
post of another within the same thread. I'm sure you did this by
mistake.
God bless.
JESUS WAS A COCKSUCKER!
"Sanity's Little Helper" <elv...@noshpam.org> wrote in message
news:Xns9999B86D9...@194.177.96.26...
Rod
parsi...@gmail.com
You're one sad mothefucker, Chung... Get help...
>
> In the interim, let us continue to pray for dear David and all the
> others who have been convicted by the Holy Spirit:
How do you know so much about the Holy Spirit? How do you know you're
not convicted yourself for using peoples' deaths for your own sick
agenda?
Your Jesus fought against people like you...
People like you shouldn't be allowed to have access to a computer and
should be in a straightjacket...
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
>
> Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Cardiologist-
Not anymore.
You should put Andrew B. Chung, crackpot.
Rod
> news:1188208395....@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com to
> sci.med.cardiology:
>
>>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The words you have heard from Emory University in response to
>>>> **your** false complaints have likely given you tinnitus when they
>>>> have rung true :-)
>>>>
>>> I have not complained to Emory University.
>> That is not what I know. Still count many at Emory to be friends who
>> keep me posted about your antics:
>
> I suggest you contact your doctor about your delusions that I am in
> direct contact with Emory University. I don't need to be in order to know
> the truth.
>
David, this is off topic in five different groups, and as you have
done this to me in your complaint, so it will be shown that you have
done likewise to admin at AIOE.org. You have spammed five groups
with this.
Michael F. Poellot
<and...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
. . . snip . .
>
>Rest assured that just as GOD has the last word in Bob Pastorio's
>death, HE will have the last word when David Silverman dies.
What an inappropriate and insolent comment !!! How dare you to write
this, Dr Chung !!! You can be compared with Hitler and his Propaganda
Minister, Dr Joseph Goebbels; or with other dictators based on your
self-righteousness. Thank you so much for circulating your hatred for
those who simply disagree with you and your religious and psychotic
delusion.
>
>In the interim, let us continue to pray for dear David and all the
>others who have been convicted by the Holy Spirit:
>
>http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
Well, do that--your list (uh, I forgot, it's the holy spririt's list)
of convicts is endless--praying for them including myself takes some
significant time. How can you treat heart patients when talking to
your God day and night !!
>
>Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Meum est in taverna mori :-))) Amen :-))) You speak that much Latin,
Andrew ?? Perhaps you ask the Holy Spirit :-))
>
>Andrew <><
Michael
Rod
Don't get the idea that I hope for your death, as that isn't the
meaning of what I was saying. I do believe that God will take a life,
but I do not seek it nor do I believe Andrew seeks it either. Thats
would be an emotional exaggeration on anyones part to make that
assumption, but I do have hope for better times when this kind of strife
is not present in anyones life. Nevertheless I have seen your other post
pertaining to painting with a broad brush, so do as you will for it
is you that reap the consequences of your impulsive actions, not I.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> convicted neighbor David Silverman (satan's Little Helper) wrote:
Indeed, as brethren of LORD Jesus Christ, our hope is that all of our
neighbors will choose to receive Jesus' offer of salvation from the
wages of sin, which is death, so that they will have eternal life.
Bob Pastorio's death on Fool's day remains GOD's last word on Bob's
rebellion against HIM.
My condolences remain with his surviving family and friends during
this their difficult time just as they would be with David Silverman's
surviving family and friends if/when he dies without Jesus' salvation.
May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
than ever:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist
Rod
> Our atlanta friend recalled:
>
> "It is written that satan is the source of all lies and a murderer from
> the very beginning."
>
> As does scripture have much to say about false witness also.
>
> I forgive you, if I have offended I ask your pardon.
>
> May God bless and protect you and provide peace.
Either way, I hold no grudges, but I do wish I knew you,
I would feel so much better about this, but be it as it may.
Rod
> friend Rod wrote:
>>> Before considering accepting or acting upon the opinions of andrew chung
>>> on any topic, please read at least 3 of his other posts. Quickly you
>>> will percieve clearly the truth of this warning. Any question his
>>> opinion might suggest to you should be confirmed always with an expert
>>> or others in the newsgroup.
>> I have, and more than 3 of his posts. You've lied, and thats simple
>> enough also.
>>
>> Rod
>
> It is written that satan is the source of all lies and a murderer from
> the very beginning.
Are you saying this person is the actual devil himself ?
Rod
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
The person typing is not satan. However,
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > friend Rod wrote:
>
> >>> Before considering accepting or acting upon the opinions of andrew chung
> >>> on any topic, please read at least 3 of his other posts. Quickly you
> >>> will percieve clearly the truth of this warning. Any question his
> >>> opinion might suggest to you should be confirmed always with an expert
> >>> or others in the newsgroup.
> >> I have, and more than 3 of his posts. You've lied, and thats simple
> >> enough also.
> >>
> >> Rod
> >
> > It is written that satan is the source of all lies and a murderer from
> > the very beginning.
>
> Are you saying this person is the actual devil himself ?
The sockpuppet (corporeal demon) is not satan though it is eternally
condemned since unwisely blaspheming the Holy Spirit just as satan is
eternally condemned.
However, the lies typed by the sockpuppet are from satan so that the
sockpuppet has become satan's proxy.
May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
than ever:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/PressRelease
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Michael F. Poellot
Rod,
you write like a vindictive Andrew Chung. Are you his imposter ? Like
Mu some years ago in sci.med.cardiology ?
MP
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> friend Rod <kc0...@att.net> wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldy wrote:
> >> friend Rod wrote:
> >>> satan via a sockpuppet hissed:
> >>>> Before considering accepting or acting upon the opinions of andrew chung
> >>>> on any topic, please read at least 3 of his other posts. Quickly you
> >>>> will percieve clearly the truth of this warning. Any question his
> >>>> opinion might suggest to you should be confirmed always with an expert
> >>>> or others in the newsgroup.
> >>>
> >>> I have, and more than 3 of his posts. You've lied, and thats simple
> >>> enough also.
> >>>
> >>> Rod
> >>
> >> It is written that satan is the source of all lies and a murderer from
> >> the very beginning.
> >
> > Are you saying this person is the actual devil himself ?
> >
>
> you write like a vindictive Andrew Chung.
Not for the discerning.
> Are you his imposter ?
If he were, he would be using the same name.
> Like Mu some years ago in sci.med.cardiology ?
If Mu were an imposter, Mu would also have used the same name a few
months ago.
This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict
you:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
tr...@is-best.com
> Are you saying this person is the actual devil himself ?
"The sockpuppet (corporeal demon) is not satan though it is eternally
condemned since unwisely blaspheming the Holy Spirit just as satan is
eternally condemned.
However, the lies typed by the sockpuppet are from satan so that the
sockpuppet has become satan's proxy."
Rob, ask him now how he knows this. gauge the truth of his answer
by how he answers the following:
Dr. Chung, do you sin?
If so how often?
What kinds of sin do you commit?
I have posted his previous answers and the scripture by which we are to
measure it for your consideration. Let's see if he is of the same mind
now.
Recall, "by their fruits ..."
God bless.
Rod
Yes, I understand.
Rod
Michael F. Poellot
>>
>> The sockpuppet (corporeal demon) is not satan though it is eternally
>> condemned since unwisely blaspheming the Holy Spirit just as satan is
>> eternally condemned.
>>
>> However, the lies typed by the sockpuppet are from satan so that the
>> sockpuppet has become satan's proxy.
>>
>> May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
>> than ever:
>>
>> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/PressRelease
>>
>> Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
>>
>> Andrew <><
>> --
>> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>> Cardiologist
>>
>
> Yes, I understand.
>
>
> Rod
You can't understand anything since your mind is puny and limited.
MP
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
> >> The sockpuppet (corporeal demon) is not satan though it is eternally
> >> condemned since unwisely blaspheming the Holy Spirit just as satan is
> >> eternally condemned.
> >>
> >> However, the lies typed by the sockpuppet are from satan so that the
> >> sockpuppet has become satan's proxy.
> >
>
> You can't understand anything since your mind is puny and limited.
In a word:
Projection.
Not surprising since you are without GOD, Who is the Source of all
knowledge, understanding, and wisdom.
Michael F. Poellot
<heart...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
>convicted neighbor Michael F. Poellot wrote:
>> you write like a vindictive Andrew Chung.
>
>Not for the discerning.
I am observing.
>
>> Are you his imposter ?
>
>If he were, he would be using the same name.
>
>> Like Mu some years ago in sci.med.cardiology ?
>
>If Mu were an imposter, Mu would also have used the same name a few
>months ago.
Not a few months ago --- not your sockpuppet
>
>This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict
>you:
>
>http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
Thank you, Doctor Goebbels.
>
>May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
>than ever:
Too bad, eat something then
>
>http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/PressRelease
>
>Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
>
>Andrew <><
Prayerfully in the name of science
MP
Rod
<smiling...........>
Michael F. Poellot
<heart...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
>convicted neighbor Michael F. Poellot wrote:
>> friend Rod <kc0...@att.net> wrote:
>> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >
>> >> The sockpuppet (corporeal demon) is not satan though it is eternally
>> >> condemned since unwisely blaspheming the Holy Spirit just as satan is
>> >> eternally condemned.
>> >>
>> >> However, the lies typed by the sockpuppet are from satan so that the
>> >> sockpuppet has become satan's proxy.
>> >
>> > Yes, I understand.
>>
>> You can't understand anything since your mind is puny and limited.
>
>In a word:
>
>Projection.
>
That's an outstanding and true diagnosis for yourself, Doctor !! Let's
name it Self-Projection for your personality. Think about it !
>Not surprising since you are without GOD, Who is the Source of all
>knowledge, understanding, and wisdom.
There is no God. I would be glad for you to provide some evidence for
the rest of us -- no axioms, no religious status quo, just a
scientific paradigm shift we can accept.
>
>May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
>than ever:
>
>http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/PressRelease
You contradict yourself in your postings in so many newsgroups.
>
>Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
>
>Andrew <><
MP
Rod
> On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 17:30:58 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> <heart...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
>
>> convicted neighbor Michael F. Poellot wrote:
>
>>> you write like a vindictive Andrew Chung.
>> Not for the discerning.
>
> I am observing.
No, you are destroying the result of your observations
for you have made yourself a participant in that which you
claim to observe, thus polluting your results.
You would be more convincing if you were claiming to be a fool..
>>> Are you his imposter ?
>> If he were, he would be using the same name.
>>
>>> Like Mu some years ago in sci.med.cardiology ?
>> If Mu were an imposter, Mu would also have used the same name a few
>> months ago.
>
> Not a few months ago --- not your sockpuppet
>> This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict
>> you:
>>
>> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
>
> Thank you, Doctor Goebbels.
Thank YOU Dr.Frankenstein...
Rod
Michael F. Poellot
>>>>
>>> Yes, I understand.
>>>
>>>
>>> Rod
>>
>>
>> You can't understand anything since your mind is puny and limited.
>> MP
>
> <smiling...........>
At least you have a sense of humor, Rod. So good for you.
I am just laughing :-))
MP
Rod
> In response to rob, our atlanta friend mused aloud:
>
>> Are you saying this person is the actual devil himself ?
>
> "The sockpuppet (corporeal demon) is not satan though it is eternally
> condemned since unwisely blaspheming the Holy Spirit just as satan is
> eternally condemned.
>
> However, the lies typed by the sockpuppet are from satan so that the
> sockpuppet has become satan's proxy."
>
> Rob, ask him now how he knows this. gauge the truth of his answer
> by how he answers the following:
I can tell you without asking him by rendering the truth of my own
existence. I can speak evil as any man can. Were I to state that God
is not part of my healing I would be a liar, for I know otherwise.
Rod
Michael F. Poellot
>Michael F. Poellot wrote:
>> On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 17:30:58 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>> <heart...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
>>
>>> convicted neighbor Michael F. Poellot wrote:
>>
>>>> you write like a vindictive Andrew Chung.
>>> Not for the discerning.
>>
>> I am observing.
>
>
> No, you are destroying the result of your observations
> for you have made yourself a participant in that which you
> claim to observe, thus polluting your results.
I am not polluting my results while observing.
>
> You would be more convincing if you were claiming to be a fool..
This is your opinion. Religious zealots like you are mentally
mediocre, in my observation.
>
> Rod
Rod
Then that must make you mediocre as well, being a scientific zealot
that polutes his own results by becoming a part of the experiment.
You're poor scientist, Dr. Binkman.....
Rod
Rod
> In response to rob, our atlanta friend mused aloud:
>
>> Are you saying this person is the actual devil himself ?
>
> "The sockpuppet (corporeal demon) is not satan though it is eternally
> condemned since unwisely blaspheming the Holy Spirit just as satan is
> eternally condemned.
>
> However, the lies typed by the sockpuppet are from satan so that the
> sockpuppet has become satan's proxy."
>
> Rob, ask him now how he knows this. gauge the truth of his answer
> by how he answers the following:
No. I won't divide a brother against a brother. Andrew can answer of
his own volition as he chooses.
>
> Dr. Chung, do you sin?
>
> If so how often?
>
> What kinds of sin do you commit?
>
> I have posted his previous answers and the scripture by which we are to
> measure it for your consideration. Let's see if he is of the same mind
> now.
>
> Recall, "by their fruits ..."
>
>
> God bless.
Allow me to ask this of you; what would you consider a beneficial
approach to diabetic health for a type 2, keeping in mind that I wish to
keep the focus on God guiding my treatment. What would you suggest, and
why ?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed:
> >
> >> Are you saying this person is the actual devil himself ?
> >
> >> "The sockpuppet (corporeal demon) is not satan though it is eternally
> >> condemned since unwisely blaspheming the Holy Spirit just as satan is
> >> eternally condemned.
> >>
> >> However, the lies typed by the sockpuppet are from satan so that the
> >
> > Rob, ask him now how he knows this. gauge the truth of his answer
> > by how he answers the following:
>
> No. I won't divide a brother against a brother. Andrew can answer of
> his own volition as he chooses.
Indeed, it remains my choice to continue to receive the guidance of
the Holy Spirit in everything I say, do, and write:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/72d0cdcd3c7abc88?
May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
than ever:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease
Sanity's Little Helper
news:1188259139.9...@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com to
sci.med.cardiology:
> Bob Pastorio's death on Fool's day remains GOD's last word on Bob's
> rebellion against HIM.
>
You're sick.
--
David Silverman C.B.E.
aa #2208
"Fuck! I used up my last non-sequitur" - Andrew B Chung
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>
> You're sick.
In my ever closer walk with LORD Jesus Christ, HE keeps me completely
well :-)
It is now time to discard Darwin's stillborn theory of evolution and
accept the truth, Who is GOD:
** Law of Creation of the Species**
When it pleases GOD, Creator of the universe, HE causes mutations and
rearrangements in DNA to occur in cells to create new species.
Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS guiding me
to write this.
Laus Deo !
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Human Geneticist and Cardiologist
Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
tr...@is-best.com
>> Rob, ask him now how he knows this. gauge the truth of his answer
>> by how he answers the following:
>
> No. I won't divide a brother against a brother. Andrew can answer of
> his own volition as he chooses.
But you see, for you to ask the question is to take myself out of the
picture. His false teachings exist if I exist or not. It is a way for
you to test his teachings.
He will not answer again, it has been asked of him. But I'm
happy to present his answer when it was asked previously. Please also
read the scripture at the end which is the measure of his answer. "By
their fruits ...".
God bless.
> Dr. Chung do you sin?
"No."
> Please provide examples of how often
"Zero."
> and of what kind?
"None."
The word of the Lord in measure of the above:
If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in
us.
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our
sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in
us.
tr...@is-best.com
"Indeed, it remains my choice to continue to receive the guidance of the
Holy Spirit in everything I say, do, and write:"
Indeed, such is the nature of free will. The question is if you are
making the choice to do so and how you can know when it happens. Indeed
it is for others to decide in free will if you have failed in both
regards.
God bless.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> friend Rod wrote:
> > satan via a sockpuppet (demon) hissed:
>
> >> Rob, ask him now how he knows this. gauge the truth of his answer
> >> by how he answers the following:
> >
> > No. I won't divide a brother against a brother. Andrew can answer of
> > his own volition as he chooses.
>
> But you see, for you to ask the question is to take myself out of the
> picture. His false teachings exist if I exist or not. It is a way for
> you to test his teachings.
The teachings are not mine but GOD's, satan.
> He will not answer again, it has been asked of him.
False prophecy:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/72d0cdcd3c7abc88?
"These who do the will of GOD have stopped sinning."
> But I'm
> happy to present his answer when it was asked previously. Please also
> read the scripture at the end which is the measure of his answer. "By
> their fruits ...".
>
> God bless.
>
> > Dr. Chung do you sin?
>
> "No."
>
> > Please provide examples of how often
>
> "Zero."
>
> > and of what kind?
>
> "None."
>
> The word of the Lord in measure of the above:
>
> If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in
> us.
Correct even for you, satan.
The brethren of LORD Jesus Christ remain sinners though we have
stopped sinning with HIS help.
> If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our
> sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Correct for HIS brethren.
However, not applicable in your case, satan, nor for others who have
unwisely blasphemed against the Holy Spirit.
> If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in
> us.
Incorrect, satan.
We have no power to make GOD a liar.
What is actually written is:
" If we claim we have not sinned, we make HIM out to be a liar and HIS
word has no place in our lives." (1 John 1:10)
Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling
you to unwittingly demonstrate that your native language is indeed
lying, satan.
Laus Deo !
Your stillborn child's body is decomposing:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/53d1028c9c5b3d0c?
In the awesome name of LORD Jesus Christ, I rebuke you yet again,
satan.
Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
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approach to diabetic health for a type 2, keeping in mind that I wish to
keep the focus on God guiding my treatment. What would you suggest, and
why ?"
I have seen people ask for prayer when considering an upcoming medical
proceedure. A typical answer might be such as "may God guide the hand
of the doctor and all who treat you". We learn more of the creation as
divine revelation when science learns more about human biology and it is
applied in medicine. With prayer and keeping in mind this truth we are
completely God focused and we empower ourselves to take control of
disease as is best possible.
As for diabetes and what you can do to best take control of it with an
assist from your doctor, read:
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm
If you have not already, read the alt.support.diabetes newsgroup in the
header. There are many accumulated lifetimes of diabetic experience
there for you.
My short answer is that diabetes treatment is straight forward, if not
easy. One must balance available effective insulin with glucose levels
which are ultimately tied to carbohydrate intake.
Your meter will allow you to control the carb side of the scale. It
will tell you which and what amounts of what foods can be eaten to reach
post meal glucose level goals and thus to adjust accordingly.
Exercise and weight status and drugs will in large part determine the
effective insulin side of the scale.
If after reading the link above you have additional questions, feel free
to ask.
God bless.
tr...@is-best.com
>> > Dr. Chung do you sin?
>>
>> "No."
>>
>> > Please provide examples of how often
>>
>> "Zero."
>>
>> > and of what kind?
>>
>> "None."
>>
>> The word of the Lord in measure of the above:
>>
>> If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in
>> us.
>Correct even for you, satan.
>
>The brethren of LORD Jesus Christ remain sinners though we have
>stopped sinning with HIS help.
"Sinners without sinning" is a difference without a distinction.
Actually no, we do not stop sinning. Consider the original brethern of
Christ. Among the 12 how many times do we read of their sin and of His
forgiving it? Even on the very day of His death, St. Peter sinned in
his denial of Christ long since being among the brethern of Christ. He
was forgiven and went on to do great works in His name.
When asked how many times to forgive He replied "7 times 70", meaning
without end. Do you make Christ a liar?
>
>> If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our
>> sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
>
>Correct for HIS brethren.
>
>However, not applicable in your case, satan, nor for others who have
>unwisely blasphemed against the Holy Spirit.
>
I forgive you your false witness, forgive me if I offend.
>> If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in
>> us.
>
>Incorrect, satan.
>
>We have no power to make GOD a liar.
>
>What is actually written is:
>
>" If we claim we have not sinned, we make HIM out to be a liar and HIS
>word has no place in our lives." (1 John 1:10)
Same meaning slightly different words from one particular translation.
Mine came from the KJV, but that is not the point. The point is the
measure of the person who claims to be without sin and how that claim
reflects upon God.
>Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling
>you to unwittingly demonstrate that your native language is indeed
>lying, satan.
When you claim to be speaking for the Holy Spirit you end your quips
with that name. Are we to take it you speak for satan in this instance
as you end with that name?
All who read your words in all of the above can judge for themselves,
not by what I said but by your answer to the question of "do you sin"
and by measure of what the scripture says of such as you answered. You
respond not to me then but to the measure of yourself you provide, let
it be. Scripture says that scripture can be taken as such a measure of
false teaching etc. and of other matters of spiritual validity, let it
be. Amen and amen.
I forgive you all false witness, forgive me if I have offended.
If we confess our sin He is quick to forgive it, 7 times 70.
May God bless and protect you and provide peace.
Lord Jesus Christ, son of God, have mercy on me a sinner.
Archie Leach
>Bob Pastorio's death on Fool's day remains GOD's last word on Bob's
>rebellion against HIM.
Ghoul.