Re: Love
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> The Nails Didn't Keep Jesus On The Cross -
> His Love For You Did.
"Love each other as I have loved you." -- LORD Jesus Christ
Amen.
Suggested additional reading:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/love.asp
There is hope, love, and faith.
The greatest of these is love.
Love never fails.
And, so my heart aches for Jesus.
Marana tha
May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
than ever.
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist
Andy is Evil
news:1182505222.9...@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
Yet another completely irrelevant cross post to sci.med group. The latest
hypothesis for this annoying reoccurrance is that Andrew learned how to set
up his newsreader by rote and has never really understood the principles of
what a newsgroup is or how Usenet works. Don't bother with his scam site,
his hate list or his phony "eating approach", he's been challenged for
years on Usenet to produce a peer review and never has. He has claimed the
review was on his desk and would be revealed when the time is right.
Everyone who has access to Google will know just how empty his claims are,
how dangerous his practices are, how socially inept he is, and how poor his
dress always has been. His haircut is an abomination, and there is reason
to suspect his breath smells. If he were taller, there would be more of
him to dislike. He reeks of disenginuisiosity, a new word coined
especially for born again send me your 30 dollars merchants who have
nothing to offer this world but dried packets of bible clippings. And if
his drivers licence is as in good standing as his doctors licence then
we'll be seeing him on Police Car Chases - The Boring Ones, VOL IV, which
if all were right with this world would be narrated by Sly Stallone's mum
and feature a subliminal message from Ed The Talking Horse. Now there is
proof of Genesis. A talking horse. Of course all horses could talk before
God got around to chucking the Tower of Babel out of the Garden of Eden so
that one day someone would have to write language translation software for
the internet. If only someone had the wit to ask Ed what was on Eve's mind
when Noah built the worlds first 80 million cubit canoe, we wouldn't have
to have worried about the 6th day and God could have had Saturday AND
Sunday off. Anyway, it's all Andrew's fault.
Andy is Evil
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> The Nails Didn't Keep Jesus On The Cross -
> His Love For You Did.
I was lying, just like I do about everything elso. Jesus and God are bullshit,
fairytales created to appease the weak minded, like me and all you other bible
thumpers.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> sister Diana wrote:
> > The Nails Didn't Keep Jesus On The Cross -
> > His Love For You Did.
>
> I was lying, just like I do about everything elso. Jesus and God are bullshit,
> fairytales created to appease the weak minded, like me and all you other bible
> thumpers.
Your sockpuppet has been reported to the appropriate authorities.
Impersonating a physician is a crime.
Prayerfully in the infinite power of the Holy Spirit,
Andy is Evil
out in
news:1182511707.2...@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com:
> satan via a sockpuppet (demon) wrote:
>> sister Diana wrote:
>> > The Nails Didn't Keep Jesus On The Cross -
>> > Contact Adhesive Did.
>>
>> I was lying, just like I do about everything elso. Jesus and God are
>> bullshit, fairytales created to appease the weak minded, like me and
>> all you other bible thumpers.
>
> Your sockpuppet has been reported to the appropriate authorities.
This is so funny, Andrew B. Chung perhaps one of the sockmeisters of all
time complaining to an ISP. Chances are that either the headers are
spoofed or its from a privacy service. Either way, the ISP is unlikely
to take much notice from a Usenet abuser like the Evil Andy.
>
> Impersonating a physician is a crime.
Fortunately, impersonating a comedian is not.
>
> Pwayewuwy in the infinite powew of the Howy Spiwit,
>
> Andwew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD/NJ/WOKA**
> Cardiologist
>
>
** Nut Job, Winner Of K00K Awards
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
I couldn't find "the appropriate authorities" if I tried.
I'm full of shit as usual.
Poor little old me. Why the hell can't I clean up the mess I've made for myself
on Usenet?
I must be too cowardly to do so.
Too much of a coward to admit I was wrong.
Oh well.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
> Oh dear. I seem to have lied, again.
>
> I couldn't find "the appropriate authorities" if I tried.
>
> I'm full of shit as usual.
>
> Poor little old me. Why the hell can't I clean up the mess I've made for myself
> on Usenet?
>
> I must be too cowardly to do so.
>
> Too much of a coward to admit I was wrong.
Impersonating a physician is a federal crime.
Your sockpuppet will be reported to the appropriate authorities at the
federal level.
Suggested reading:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20040524/news_1m24fakedoc.html
Prayerfully in the infinite power of the Holy Spirit,
Andrew <><
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
I, Andrew Chung, can't tell the difference between Usenet and the real world.
I can't actually tell the difference betwee much of anything.
If what I said is true, I better turn myself in.
flyingrat
lov...@thetruth.com says...
> "Love each other as I have loved you." -- LORD Jesus Christ
>
setting himself up as a prophet? The messenger of God?
"But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not
commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods,
must be put to death."
"You may say to yourselves, 'How can we know when a message has not
been spoken by the Lord?' If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the
Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has
not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of
him" (Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NIV).
So as Chung prophesied earthquakes, nuclear wars, the destruction of
Tehran (complete with dates) and the rest, that qualifies him firmly as
a false prophet. No doubt his St Chung the Baptist fantasy will continue
unabated.
FR
flyingrat
lov...@thetruth.com says...
> Your sockpuppet has been reported to the appropriate authorities.
>
> Impersonating a physician is a crime.
>
(we call them doctors here and you wouldn't even be walking the streets
in this country as you'd be sectioned and in the nuthouse)
then no crime has been committed.
Truth is simple. You are an unemployed fraud.
FR
--
With a gene pool reduction of 7.5% per generation, how long will it
take a town that has been bypassed by the Interstate to breed a country
music singer?
flyingrat
lov...@thetruth.com says...
> Your sockpuppet will be reported to the appropriate authorities at the
> federal level.
>
How can he or she be in jail? They are posting replies to your bleating.
Caught LYING yet again. Oh dearie me, Chunky shoots himself in his bony
ass once more.
FR
--
"The ejaculate from satan has the consistency and smell of emesis." --
Andrew B Chung confirming he has sucked the Devil's cock
Message-ID: <1165858390....@j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Cary Kittrell
> satan via a sockpuppet (demon) wrote:
> > sister Diana wrote:
> > > The Nails Didn't Keep Jesus On The Cross -
> > > His Love For You Did.
> >
> > I was lying, just like I do about everything elso. Jesus and God are bullshit,
> > fairytales created to appease the weak minded, like me and all you other bible
> > thumpers.
>
> Your sockpuppet has been reported to the appropriate authorities.
I trust you made it clear to those appropriate authorities
that the account was held by Satan?
-- cary
Cary Kittrell
> satan via a sockpuppet wrote:
> >
> > Oh dear. I seem to have lied, again.
> >
> > I couldn't find "the appropriate authorities" if I tried.
> >
> > I'm full of shit as usual.
> >
> > Poor little old me. Why the hell can't I clean up the mess I've made for myself
> > on Usenet?
> >
> > I must be too cowardly to do so.
> >
> > Too much of a coward to admit I was wrong.
>
> Impersonating a physician is a federal crime.
Practicing medicine without a license is a crime.
"Impersonating a physician" -- without offering medical
advice -- is precisely as much a federal crime as
is "Impersonating a grocery clerk".
-- cary
flyingrat
ca...@afone.as.arizona.edu says...
have an archived example of Chung lying. Handy for future reference
FR
Kurt Gavin
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
news:1182505222.9...@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> sister Diana wrote:
>> The Nails Didn't Keep Jesus On The Cross -
>> His Love For You Did.
>
> "Love each other as I have loved you." -- LORD Jesus Christ
The Gospel of Thomas has numerous anecdotes about the child Jesus abusing
his magical powers: transforming his playmates into goats, or turning mud
into sparrows; or giving his father assistance by lengthening a piece of
wood.
Bottom line - it's all made up for fools, and there's never been any
shortage of them.
If there is a God, wouldn't he more likely respect people who used their
God-given brains and had honest skepticism based on lack of evidence, and on
the bad acts performed in his name? Logically, he would seek to punish those
who professed belief in him for selfish reasons of seeking better treatment
in an afterlife -- perhaps even making them the slaves of the more honest
skeptics.
> Amen.
BWUUURRRRP
> Suggested additional reading:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/love.asp
... only if you want a good laugh/
<snip>
The Rev Dr Hugh Jarse NLAHN
Cary Kittrell
Wouldn't you have paid five bucks to be a fly on the wall
(doubtless somewhere in India), when that one came in?
-- cary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
> "Impersonating a physician" -- without offering medical
> advice -- is precisely as much a federal crime as
> is "Impersonating a grocery clerk".
Incorrect.
A couple of applicable federal laws:
"falsifying electronic source information;"
Source: 18 USC Sec. 1030
"knowingly transfers or uses, without lawful authority, a means of
identification of another person with the intent to commit, or to aid
or abet, any unlawful activity that constitutes a violation of Federal
law, or that constitutes a felony under any applicable State or local
law;"
Source: 18 USC Sec. 1028
Impersonating a physician can be deemed a felony under applicable
state or local law even when no medical advice has been given.
May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
than ever.
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist
Cary Kittrell
> convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> >
> > "Impersonating a physician" -- without offering medical
> > advice -- is precisely as much a federal crime as
> > is "Impersonating a grocery clerk".
>
> Incorrect.
>
> A couple of applicable federal laws:
>
> "falsifying electronic source information;"
>
> Source: 18 USC Sec. 1030
>
> "knowingly transfers or uses, without lawful authority, a means of
> identification of another person with the intent to commit, or to aid
> or abet, any unlawful activity that constitutes a violation of Federal
> law, or that constitutes a felony under any applicable State or local
> law;"
>
> Source: 18 USC Sec. 1028
Again: nothing specific to physicians. A streetwalker is no
less protected than you by the above.
>
> Impersonating a physician can be deemed a felony under applicable
> state or local law even when no medical advice has been given.
Well, let's see that law, then. The above says nothing of the sort.
-- cary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> > >
> > > "Impersonating a physician" -- without offering medical
> > > advice -- is precisely as much a federal crime as
> > > is "Impersonating a grocery clerk".
> >
> > Incorrect.
> >
> > A couple of applicable federal laws:
> >
> > "falsifying electronic source information;"
> >
> > Source: 18 USC Sec. 1030
> >
> > "knowingly transfers or uses, without lawful authority, a means of
> > identification of another person with the intent to commit, or to aid
> > or abet, any unlawful activity that constitutes a violation of Federal
> > law, or that constitutes a felony under any applicable State or local
> > law;"
> >
> > Source: 18 USC Sec. 1028
>
> Again: nothing specific to physicians. A streetwalker is no
> less protected than you by the above.
See below.
> > Impersonating a physician can be deemed a felony under applicable
> > state or local law even when no medical advice has been given.
>
> Well, let's see that law, then. The above says nothing of the sort.
New York Penal Law 190.26(3):
"A person is guilty of Criminal Impersonation in the First Degree (E
Felony) when he or she knowingly pretends to be a duly licensed
physician or ..."
Cary Kittrell
Hey, we'll skip the part where you said "impersonating a physician
is a FEDERAL crime", and get right to the part where you
lie by selective editing, OK?
A person is guilty of criminal impersonation in the first degree when
he:
3. Pretending to be a duly licensed physician or other person
authorized to issue a prescription for any drug or any instrument or
device used in the taking or administering of drugs for which a
prescription is required by law, communicates to a pharmacist an oral
prescription which is required to be reduced to writing pursuant to
section thirty-three hundred thirty-two of the public health law.
It's a crime only if you, pretending to be a physician, write or
call in a bogus script to a pharmacist.
No doubt snipping that out was inadvertent on your part.
-- cary
Cary Kittrell
Oopsie, I'm wrong: it's even MORE restricitive than I thought:
it's only a crime if you pretend to be a doc and call in
a bogus scrip in lieu of the required written one.
-- cary
-- cary
Andy is Evil
news:1182549370.8...@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com:
What I want to know is this a real looney pretending to be a doctor or a
pretend looney pretending to be a doctor ?
Andy is Evil
Newsflash: There is no truth to the rumor that part of the 2PD-OMER
approach requires the gargling of Satan's jism. At least not if there's
an R in the month.
Cary Kittrell
No, no, no: you're forgetting all those "alternate realities"
that Andrew invokes when the present one doesn't conform
to his claims. Perhaps our boy -- and let me say here
that I myself do not approve of this sort of identity-spoofing
in the least -- perhaps our boy is in the Alternate Reality
Federal Incarceration Facility and Discount Applicance Warehouse
somewhere.
-- cary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Where there is no intent to deceive, there is no lie.
> A person is guilty of criminal impersonation in the first degree when
> he:
>
> 3. Pretending to be a duly licensed physician or other person
> authorized to issue a prescription for any drug or any instrument or
> device used in the taking or administering of drugs for which a
> prescription is required by law, communicates to a pharmacist an oral
> prescription which is required to be reduced to writing pursuant to
> section thirty-three hundred thirty-two of the public health law.
>
> It's a crime only if you, pretending to be a physician, write or
> call in a bogus script to a pharmacist.
That would be up to the Federal Courts to decide.
> No doubt snipping that out was inadvertent on your part.
The entire text of the NY State law code is not required for
understanding the spirit of the law which simply conveys the concept
that it is understandably unlawful to impersonate a physician. It
remains a fact that physicians have access to the protected medical
information of their patients so that anyone impersonating a physican
is a threat to the privacy of many others.
Many thanks, much praise and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling
you to continue to unwitting demonstrate that indeed HE has given the
foreknowledge that you will continue to lack both wisdom and
understanding.
Laus Deo !
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Where there is no intent to deceive, there is no lie.
> A person is guilty of criminal impersonation in the first degree when
> he:
>
> 3. Pretending to be a duly licensed physician or other person
> authorized to issue a prescription for any drug or any instrument or
> device used in the taking or administering of drugs for which a
> prescription is required by law, communicates to a pharmacist an oral
> prescription which is required to be reduced to writing pursuant to
> section thirty-three hundred thirty-two of the public health law.
>
> It's a crime only if you, pretending to be a physician, write or
> call in a bogus script to a pharmacist.
That would be up to the Federal Courts to decide.
> No doubt snipping that out was inadvertent on your part.
The entire text of the NY State law code is not required for
understanding the spirit of the law which simply conveys the concept
that it is understandably unlawful to impersonate a physician. It
remains a fact that physicians have access to the protected medical
information of their patients so that anyone impersonating a physican
is a threat to the privacy of many others.
Many thanks, much praise and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling
you to continue to unwittingly demonstrate that indeed HE has given
the foreknowledge that you will continue to lack both wisdom and
understanding.
Laus Deo !
May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
Cary Kittrell
Your snipping could not have been any more precise if it
were intended with malice aforethought. However, if you're
trying to tell me you can't read one sentence of legalese,
I suppose I'll accept that.
>
> > A person is guilty of criminal impersonation in the first degree when
> > he:
> >
> > 3. Pretending to be a duly licensed physician or other person
> > authorized to issue a prescription for any drug or any instrument or
> > device used in the taking or administering of drugs for which a
> > prescription is required by law, communicates to a pharmacist an oral
> > prescription which is required to be reduced to writing pursuant to
> > section thirty-three hundred thirty-two of the public health law.
> >
> > It's a crime only if you, pretending to be a physician, write or
> > call in a bogus script to a pharmacist.
>
> That would be up to the Federal Courts to decide.
Or anyone who can read a single sentence.
Incidentally, why do you have a New York statute showing up
in Federal Court? You see some sort of Constituional
Issue in the above?
>
> > No doubt snipping that out was inadvertent on your part.
>
> The entire text of the NY State law code is not required for
> understanding the spirit of the law which simply conveys the concept
> that it is understandably unlawful to impersonate a physician.
If it is, they will explicitly say so. If they do not explicitly
say so, then a first-year law school student could get you off.
And the "spirit" of the above law is utterly clear: they don't
want me calling in a scrip for 100 codeines and a syringe.
They don't care if I go to a bar and (pathetically) try
to pick up chicks by going "Hi, I'm Doctor Kittrell".
> It
> remains a fact that physicians have access to the protected medical
> information of their patients so that anyone impersonating a physican
> is a threat to the privacy of many others.
Unauthorized access to private records is without a doubt
covered in state and federal laws; there is no need to
specify if a pretend doctor does it or a pretend lawyer does
it or a pretend insurance investigator does it or a pretend
army recruiter does it or a pretend...
>
> Many thanks, much praise and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling
> you to continue to unwitting demonstrate that indeed HE has given the
> foreknowledge that you will continue to lack both wisdom and
> understanding.
>
And yet, oddly, you're the one who mis-represented, mis-read,
and are now grasping wildly in all directions to try to paper
it over...
- cary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Without the LORD, your fantasies are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
You remain in my prayers, dear neighbor Cary whom I love
unconditionally.
Cary Kittrell
And with the LORD, you are utterly incapable to admitting
to a simple, hasty mistake.
And we both know it.
-- cary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
c/unwitting/unwittingly/
Sorry about the typo.
> > > > foreknowledge that you will continue to lack both wisdom and
> > > > understanding.
> > > >
> > >
> > > And yet, oddly, you're the one who mis-represented, mis-read,
> > > and are now grasping wildly in all directions to try to paper
> > > it over...
> >
> > Without the LORD, your fantasies are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
>
> And with the LORD, you are utterly incapable to admitting
> to a simple, hasty mistake.
Just did... see above.
> And we both know it.
Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling
you to unwittingly demonstrate how little you do know.
Laus Deo !
You will remain in my prayers, dear neighbor Cary whom I love
Andy is Evil
news:1182559270.0...@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
> convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
>> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> > > > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
>> > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> > > > > > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
>> > > > > > > Andrew in the Holy Spirit boldly wrote:
>> > > > > > > > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > "Impersonating a physician" -- without offering
>> > > > > > > > > medical advice -- is precisely as much a federal
>> > > > > > > > > crime as is "Impersonating a grocery clerk".
>> > > > > > > >
>
snip
> Just did... see above.
>
>> And we both know it.
>
What we all know and this is now evidenced by this thread in Google for
a long time and in His Eyes Forever, is that Andrew is has chosen to
follow his personal unholy ghost, stubbornly cling to his pride and
avoid the challenge by Cary Kittrell. Andrew's twisting and turning
does him no credit in the eyes of God or in the eyes of his fellow men.
Andrew exhibits these grade school levels of argumentation from time to
time, he does not appear to realise just how badly they mark his
decline.
> Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling
> you to unwittingly demonstrate how little you do know.
Andrew is some
Such ugly and foolish blasphemy can only come from one who is deeply
addicted to his personal unholy ghost. A ghost which in its utterings
shows it to be that which Andrew protests against most vehemently, a
sockpuppet from satan.
>
> Waus Deo !
>
> You wiww wemain in my pwayers, deaw neighbow Cawy whom I love
> unconditionawwy.
>
> Pwayewfuwy in Jesus' awesome wove,
>
> Andwew <><
> --
> Andwew B. Chung, MD/PhD/NJ/WOKA
> Ex-Cawdiowogist
>
>
Andy is Evil
Don Kirkman
article <1182552608.8...@o11g2000prd.googlegroups.com>:
>convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
>> Andrew in the Holy Spirit boldly wrote:
>> > Impersonating a physician can be deemed a felony under applicable
>> > state or local law even when no medical advice has been given.
>> Well, let's see that law, then. The above says nothing of the sort.
>New York Penal Law 190.26(3):
>"A person is guilty of Criminal Impersonation in the First Degree (E
>Felony) when he or she knowingly pretends to be a duly licensed
>physician or ..."
And, continuing the balance of the section:
S 190.26 Criminal impersonation in the first degree.
A person is guilty of criminal impersonation in the first degree when
he:
1. Pretends to be a police officer . . .
2. So acts with intent to induce another to submit to such pretended
official authority or otherwise to act in reliance upon said pretense
and in the course of such pretense commits or attempts to commit a
felony; or
3. Pretending to be a duly licensed physician or other person
authorized to issue a prescription for any drug or any instrument or
device used in the taking or administering of drugs for which a
prescription is required by law, communicates to a pharmacist an oral
prescription which is required to be reduced to writing pursuant to
section thirty-three hundred thirty-two of the public health law.
Criminal impersonation in the first degree is a class E felony.
So writing like a physician on the Internet doesn't quite seem to pass
muster, since nobody is going to issue prescriptions in newsgroups.
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/nycodes/c82/a45.html
--
Don Kirkman
Don Kirkman
>convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
>> > > > New York Penal Law 190.26(3):
>> And yet, oddly, you're the one who mis-represented, mis-read,
>> and are now grasping wildly in all directions to try to paper
>> it over...
>Without the LORD, your fantasies are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
Without reading and understand the text of the law your explanations are
ridiculous (Everyman)
--
Don Kirkman
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
It does if a jury decides that the person who is stealing the on-line
identity of a duly licensed physician has the "intent to induce
another to submit to such pretended official authority or otherwise to
act in reliance upon said pretense and in the course of such pretense
commits or attempts to commit a felony." [S 190.26(2)]
You remain in my prayers, dear neighbor Don whom I love
unconditionally.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
> >> > > > New York Penal Law 190.26(3):
>
> >> And yet, oddly, you're the one who mis-represented, mis-read,
> >> and are now grasping wildly in all directions to try to paper
> >> it over...
>
> ridiculous (Everyman)
Would agree if you rewrote that to:
"Cary, without reading and understanding the text of the law, your
explanations are ridiculous."
For you to believe that you represent everyone would be a delusion of
grandeur, Don.
Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling
you to unwittingly (in your deluded state) help in showing that HE is
right to provide the foreknowledge that Cary will always lack wisdom
and understanding.
Laus Deo !
Suggested additional reading:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/226f4d0095203b4c?
You remain in my prayers, dear neighbor Don whom I love
The Rev Dr. Hugh Jarse NLAHN.
wrote:
<snip boring nonsense>
Hey! You could be sharing a cell with him soon.
St. Jackanapes
Inalt.flame.jesus.christ, The Rev Dr. Hugh Jarse NLAHN. said thusly...
Chung's gonna have more boyfriends than he'll know what to do with one
he hits the Big House. With that cute Asian face and cute little Asian
butt, his asshole's gonna be turned inside-out in no time at all. He'll
need to pick the biggest and baddest of them as his boyfriend, so he
won't be getting raped all day and night long. Picking a strong and
powerful gang leader as his boyfriend will keep the ass-rapists in line.
Remember these words to the wise when you get to the hoosegow, will ya
Dr. Chung? You'll thank me when you get out.
St. Jackanapes ~ Bearer of The One True Liver ~
Ordained Minister & Holy Saint of The Universal Life Church
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WEBSITE: http://www.jackanapes.ws/ | FORUM: http://www.voy.com/20630/
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THE A.F.J.C. MELTY AWARD FOR SPRING 2007: http://tinyurl.com/3db2bq/
"The ejaculate from satan has the consistency and smell of emesis."
- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
flyingrat
shooter's demons? Or one where we all have 666 stamped on our foreheads?
Or the one where Chunky eventually explodes and declares himself Christ
reincarnated? (That's this one BTW)
FR
--
Earthquack reminds me of a drowning man, alone at sea. Clutching at
pieces of driftwood and declaring that they are "Proof of Boat"
Don Kirkman
No jury will ever hear such a case, because there is no crime in your
hypothetical. The statute is specifically about a licensed person or
pretender giving oral instructions to a pharmacist to dispense
prescription drugs for which prescriptions must be in writing. There is
no mention of intent in the statute, which applies only to persons
licensed to issue prescriptions or pretending to be such a person. Can
you cite one instance of a newsgroup user making such an attempt?
Section (2) does not, as you wrongly suppose, deal at all with the
medical case, it follows on section (1) which is about pretending to be
a police officer, and sec. (2) expands on that about acting with intent
to cause another person to submit to him [the pretender] or otherwise
rely on the reputed authority.
Medical pretenders fall under section (3), and the issues are solely
related to illegally ordering prescriptions orally rather than in
writing. Since newsgroups are not oral media and since no pharmacist
would accept a prescription on the word of a newsgroup user your
suppositions are both inane, irrelevant, and moot.
Your ignorant approach to the law and its mechanisms falls only slightly
short of your interpretation of Christianity and the Bible, and may
exceed by the slightest of margins your knowledge of general medical
knowledge.
--
Don Kirkman
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
It is not up to a jury to decide whether it would hear a case.
It is up to a federal prosecutor to decide whether to file charges and
prosecute the case.
Identity theft and internet fraud (forged posting headers) would be
the crimes to get things started.
Concerns that an impersonator capable of forging message headers and
IP locations is capable of other things that would threaten others.
It is also likely that such an impersonator would have a prior
criminal record in computer crimes and/or identity theft and these
would serve as a impetus to motivate a federal prosecutor to become
more creative.
May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
than ever.
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Don Kirkman
>convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
[. . .]
>> >> So writing like a physician on the Internet doesn't quite seem to pass
>> >> muster, since nobody is going to issue prescriptions in newsgroups.
>> >> http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/nycodes/c82/a45.html
>> >It does if a jury decides that the person who is stealing the on-line
>> >identity of a duly licensed physician has the "intent to induce
>> >another to submit to such pretended official authority or otherwise to
>> >act in reliance upon said pretense and in the course of such pretense
>> >commits or attempts to commit a felony." [S 190.26(2)]
>> No jury will ever hear such a case, because there is no crime in your
>> hypothetical.
>It is not up to a jury to decide whether it would hear a case.
>It is up to a federal prosecutor to decide whether to file charges and
>prosecute the case.
You really ARE dense, aren't you? You have totally failed to state what
crime would have been committed under the section you cited, which
applies *only* to a physician or a pretender trying to orally prescribe
a drug for which the prescription is required to be in writing. No
prosecutor would file charges or seek an indictment based on your
theory.
>Identity theft and internet fraud (forged posting headers) would be
>the crimes to get things started.
Not a crime. Read that section of the law again.
>Concerns that an impersonator capable of forging message headers and
>IP locations is capable of other things that would threaten others.
>It is also likely that such an impersonator would have a prior
>criminal record in computer crimes and/or identity theft and these
>would serve as a impetus to motivate a federal prosecutor to become
>more creative.
Not a crime. Read that section of the law again.
And remember that when you started to argue it was specifically about
impersonating a physician; you can't now drag in forging message
headers, having prior records, or anything else as if they were
relevant.
Crimes require acts or intent to commit acts; no prosecutor is going to
take action because "It is . . . likely that such an impersonator would
have a prior criminal record in computer crimes and/or identity theft
and these would serve as a impetus to motivate a federal prosecutor to
become more creative." You really should spend more time in the real
world where these things are well understood.
--
Don Kirkman
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> >convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
>
> [. . .]
>
> >> >> So writing like a physician on the Internet doesn't quite seem to pass
> >> >> muster, since nobody is going to issue prescriptions in newsgroups.
> >> >> http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/nycodes/c82/a45.html
>
> >> >It does if a jury decides that the person who is stealing the on-line
> >> >identity of a duly licensed physician has the "intent to induce
> >> >another to submit to such pretended official authority or otherwise to
> >> >act in reliance upon said pretense and in the course of such pretense
> >> >commits or attempts to commit a felony." [S 190.26(2)]
>
> >> No jury will ever hear such a case, because there is no crime in your
> >> hypothetical.
>
> >It is not up to a jury to decide whether it would hear a case.
>
> >It is up to a federal prosecutor to decide whether to file charges and
> >prosecute the case.
>
> You really ARE dense, aren't you?
No.
I have firsthand experience in criminal proceedings on both sides of
the coin.
> You have totally failed to state what
> crime would have been committed under the section you cited, which
> applies *only* to a physician or a pretender trying to orally prescribe
> a drug for which the prescription is required to be in writing.
A physician impersonator is more than just a physician pretender.
> No prosecutor would file charges or seek an indictment based on your
> theory.
You are deluded in your belief that you can write for all prosecutors.
> >Identity theft and internet fraud (forged posting headers) would be
> >the crimes to get things started.
>
> Not a crime. Read that section of the law again.
Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling
you to unwittingly demonstrate that you are indeed a man of
lawlessness.
You remind me of satan when he was convincing Eve that eating the
forbidden fruit was not a crime (sin) against GOD.
> >Concerns that an impersonator capable of forging message headers and
> >IP locations is capable of other things that would threaten others.
> >It is also likely that such an impersonator would have a prior
> >criminal record in computer crimes and/or identity theft and these
> >would serve as a impetus to motivate a federal prosecutor to become
> >more creative.
>
> Not a crime. Read that section of the law again.
See above.
> And remember that when you started to argue it was specifically about
> impersonating a physician; you can't now drag in forging message
> headers, having prior records, or anything else as if they were
> relevant.
They are relevant sources of motivation for a prosecutor to bring
changes against what s/he perceives to be a threat to society.
> Crimes require acts or intent to commit acts; no prosecutor is going to
> take action because "It is . . . likely that such an impersonator would
> have a prior criminal record in computer crimes and/or identity theft
> and these would serve as a impetus to motivate a federal prosecutor to
> become more creative."
Goes to criminal intent.
> You really should spend more time in the real
> world where these things are well understood.
Though I, like others of Jesus' brethren, am no longer of this world,
it is GOD's will per Jesus' prayer that Christ's brethren remain in
this world for now.
Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS using
satan's criminal sockpuppet (demon) to demonstrate how message headers
can not be trusted to either identify or track usenet participants
especially through Google services.
You had asked for evidence of the latter.
Now you have it.
ur_droll
I would accept your suicide as proof of the existence of your god etc
Irv Hyatt
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
news:1182680803....@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
Wow! You saw that too? I didn't see you there! I thing you're lying!
Turns out it's not a crime, could be a good way to get rid of you.
Ya know an apple a day keeps the ducKtor away :)
<CHOMP CHOMP>
Mark K. Bilbo
Pending appeal are you?
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"Warned you we tried! Listen you did not! Now screwed
we will all be!"
http://www.sequentialpictures.com/moviestarwarsepisode3.html
Don Kirkman
[. . .]
>I have firsthand experience in criminal proceedings on both sides of
>the coin.
Okay, let's have the shootout. Lay out your experience and I'll follow
with mine. May the better non-lawyer win.
--
Don Kirkman
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>
> >I have firsthand experience in criminal proceedings on both sides of
> >the coin.
>
> Okay, let's have the shootout. Lay out your experience and I'll follow
> with mine. May the better non-lawyer win.
"Those who live by the sword, die by the sword." -- LORD Jesus Christ
Amen.
HE wins :-)
Suggested reading:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Christ.asp
This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict
you:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
flyingrat
lov...@thetruth.com says...
> This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict
> you:
>
>
> May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
> than ever.
>
> Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/verbigeration
Verbigeration
ver·big·er·a·tion
n.
Obsessive repetition of meaningless words and phrases, especially as a symptom of mental illness.
http://cancerweb.ncl.ac.uk/cgi-bin/omd?verbigeration
Constant repetition of meaningless words or phrases; seen in
schizophrenia.
flyingrat
ca...@afone.as.arizona.edu says...
> In article <1182549370.8...@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> writes:
> > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> > >
> > > advice -- is precisely as much a federal crime as
> > > is "Impersonating a grocery clerk".
> >
> >
> > A couple of applicable federal laws:
> >
> > "falsifying electronic source information;"
> >
> > Source: 18 USC Sec. 1030
> >
> > "knowingly transfers or uses, without lawful authority, a means of
> > identification of another person with the intent to commit, or to aid
> > or abet, any unlawful activity that constitutes a violation of Federal
> > law, or that constitutes a felony under any applicable State or local
> > law;"
> >
> > Source: 18 USC Sec. 1028
>
> Again: nothing specific to physicians. A streetwalker is no
> less protected than you by the above.
>
>
> >
> > state or local law even when no medical advice has been given.
>
> Well, let's see that law, then. The above says nothing of the sort.
Chung is backpedalling frantically away from the OUTRIGHT LIE he
posted, stating that whoever made that initial post is now in federal
prison.
Just as he is LYING about applicable laws, and frantically trying to
cut-and-paste various laws into fitting his fantasy, just as he does
with aspects of the Bible.
His first OUTRIGHT LIE is also based on the assumption that whoever
posted it is also in the USA, of which he offers no evidence. In fact
the evidence seems to indicate that the 'forger' is Chung himself,
desperate to whip up attention for his crimes and abuses.
If you can't get someone to flagellate you, then do it yourself. Chung
gets more deranged by the moment. Especially as even the most cursory
examination shows that those posts came from Chung's Google Groups
accounts and IP address.
FR
Kurt Gavin
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
news:1182762672.3...@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>
>> [. . .]
>>
>> >I have firsthand experience in criminal proceedings on both sides of
>> >the coin.
>>
>> Okay, let's have the shootout. Lay out your experience and I'll follow
>> with mine. May the better non-lawyer win.
>
> "Those who live by the sword, die by the sword." -- LORD Jesus Christ
Logically, that implies that your fantasy god jesus went around crucifying
people, then wound up getting the same thing done to him.
Up howling in the middle of the night, again, aren't you chung?
Watch Chung let out a shriek and scamper back to his fantasy swamp in the
face of this righteous atheist post.
Cary Kittrell
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Oh, I suspect that he both read and understood -- understood, too,
that he had to snip out the relevant portions of the law before
posting it, lest everyone easily see his lying via selective
quotation.
-- cary
Cary Kittrell
Good luck in finding a jury who will decide that spoofing
to the effect "Hi, I'm Andy Chung, and I'm a lying idiot"
is an attempt to commit a felony.
-- cary
Cary Kittrell
Arrest him on the spot! Because spoofing Andy Chung shows
that that maybe he once did some other thing some other time.
And if he didn't, well, he's probably going to in the future!
-- cary
Cary Kittrell
And that in the state of New York, mind you.
-- cary
Cary Kittrell
> convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
> > [. . .]
> >
> > >I have firsthand experience in criminal proceedings on both sides of
> > >the coin.
> >
> > Okay, let's have the shootout. Lay out your experience and I'll follow
> > with mine. May the better non-lawyer win.
>
> "Those who live by the sword, die by the sword." -- LORD Jesus Christ
In other words, Don called your bluff, and rather than boldly
comparing your legal acumen with his, you're going to back
down.
That may be the smartest thing you've done in some time.
-- cary
Cary Kittrell
Game, set, and match to Kirkman.
-- cary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > >
> > > [. . .]
> > >
> > > >I have firsthand experience in criminal proceedings on both sides of
> > > >the coin.
> > >
> > > Okay, let's have the shootout. Lay out your experience and I'll follow
> > > with mine. May the better non-lawyer win.
> >
> > "Those who live by the sword, die by the sword." -- LORD Jesus Christ
>
>
> > HE wins :-)
>
> > Suggested reading:
>
> > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Christ.asp
>
> > This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict
> > you:
>
> > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
>
> comparing your legal acumen with his, you're going to back
> down.
No. It simply means that though I carry the sword of the truth, Who
is LORD Jesus Christ.... it is Jesus Who wields the sword to
devastating effect.
It remains my choice to be HIS swordbearer rather than HIS swordsman.
You remain in my prayers, dear neighbor Cary whom I love
unconditionally.
> That may be the smartest thing you've done in some time.
My pleasure.
Cary Kittrell
> convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > >
> > > > [. . .]
> > > >
> > > > >I have firsthand experience in criminal proceedings on both sides of
> > > > >the coin.
> > > >
> > > > Okay, let's have the shootout. Lay out your experience and I'll follow
> > > > with mine. May the better non-lawyer win.
> > >
> > > "Those who live by the sword, die by the sword." -- LORD Jesus Christ
> >
> > > Amen.
> >
> > > HE wins :-)
> >
> > > Suggested reading:
> >
> > > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Christ.asp
> >
> > > This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict
> > > you:
> >
> > > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
> >
> > In other words, Don called your bluff, and rather than boldly
> > comparing your legal acumen with his, you're going to back
> > down.
>
> No. It simply means that though I carry the sword of the truth, Who
> is LORD Jesus Christ.... it is Jesus Who wields the sword to
> devastating effect.
No. It simply means that you know that Don would eat your
lunch on this topic.
Again.
-- cary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
In the Holy Spirit, I know you are here to defend Don because you know
that he has been defeated by LORD Jesus Christ, Who is the truth.
> Again.
Forever.
Archie Leach
willful and cowardly misinterpretation of statutes regarding physician
impersonation, and when called on it, trots out the tired old "Without
the Lord, your fantasies are meaningless" line. Game, set.
For this, I nominate Chungfraud for the Palmjob Paddle. Seconds?
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
>> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> > > > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
>> > > > > Andrew in the Holy Spirit boldly wrote:
>> > > > > > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > "Impersonating a physician" -- without offering medical
>> > > > > > > advice -- is precisely as much a federal crime as
>> > > > > > > is "Impersonating a grocery clerk".
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Incorrect.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > A couple of applicable federal laws:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > "falsifying electronic source information;"
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Source: 18 USC Sec. 1030
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > "knowingly transfers or uses, without lawful authority, a means of
>> > > > > > identification of another person with the intent to commit, or to aid
>> > > > > > or abet, any unlawful activity that constitutes a violation of Federal
>> > > > > > law, or that constitutes a felony under any applicable State or local
>> > > > > > law;"
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Source: 18 USC Sec. 1028
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Again: nothing specific to physicians. A streetwalker is no
>> > > > > less protected than you by the above.
>> > > >
>> > > > See below.
>> > > >
>> > > > > > Impersonating a physician can be deemed a felony under applicable
>> > > > > > state or local law even when no medical advice has been given.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Well, let's see that law, then. The above says nothing of the sort.
>> > >
>> > > > New York Penal Law 190.26(3):
>> > > >
>> > > > "A person is guilty of Criminal Impersonation in the First Degree (E
>> > > > Felony) when he or she knowingly pretends to be a duly licensed
>> > > > physician or ..."
>> > >
>> > > Hey, we'll skip the part where you said "impersonating a physician
>> > > is a FEDERAL crime", and get right to the part where you
>> > > lie by selective editing, OK?
>> >
>> > Where there is no intent to deceive, there is no lie.
>>
>> Your snipping could not have been any more precise if it
>> were intended with malice aforethought. However, if you're
>> trying to tell me you can't read one sentence of legalese,
>> I suppose I'll accept that.
>>
>>
>> >
>> > > A person is guilty of criminal impersonation in the first degree when
>> > > he:
>> > >
>> > > 3. Pretending to be a duly licensed physician or other person
>> > > authorized to issue a prescription for any drug or any instrument or
>> > > device used in the taking or administering of drugs for which a
>> > > prescription is required by law, communicates to a pharmacist an oral
>> > > prescription which is required to be reduced to writing pursuant to
>> > > section thirty-three hundred thirty-two of the public health law.
>> > >
>> > > It's a crime only if you, pretending to be a physician, write or
>> > > call in a bogus script to a pharmacist.
>> >
>> > That would be up to the Federal Courts to decide.
>>
>> Or anyone who can read a single sentence.
>>
>> Incidentally, why do you have a New York statute showing up
>> in Federal Court? You see some sort of Constituional
>> Issue in the above?
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> > > No doubt snipping that out was inadvertent on your part.
>> >
>> > The entire text of the NY State law code is not required for
>> > understanding the spirit of the law which simply conveys the concept
>> > that it is understandably unlawful to impersonate a physician.
>>
>> If it is, they will explicitly say so. If they do not explicitly
>> say so, then a first-year law school student could get you off.
>>
>> And the "spirit" of the above law is utterly clear: they don't
>> want me calling in a scrip for 100 codeines and a syringe.
>> They don't care if I go to a bar and (pathetically) try
>> to pick up chicks by going "Hi, I'm Doctor Kittrell".
>>
>>
>> > It
>> > remains a fact that physicians have access to the protected medical
>> > information of their patients so that anyone impersonating a physican
>> > is a threat to the privacy of many others.
>>
>> Unauthorized access to private records is without a doubt
>> covered in state and federal laws; there is no need to
>> specify if a pretend doctor does it or a pretend lawyer does
>> it or a pretend insurance investigator does it or a pretend
>> army recruiter does it or a pretend...
>>
>> >
>> > Many thanks, much praise and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling
>> > you to continue to unwitting demonstrate that indeed HE has given the
>> > foreknowledge that you will continue to lack both wisdom and
>> > understanding.
>> >
>>
>> And yet, oddly, you're the one who mis-represented, mis-read,
>> and are now grasping wildly in all directions to try to paper
>> it over...
>
>Without the LORD, your fantasies are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
>
>You remain in my prayers, dear neighbor Cary whom I love
>unconditionally.
>
Cary Kittrell
Actually, it's for a much more mundane reason, to wit: he's right,
you're wrong.
Again.
-- cary
Cary Kittrell
>
> In the thread below, Chung thoroughly gets paddled on his blatant,
> willful and cowardly misinterpretation of statutes regarding physician
> impersonation, and when called on it, trots out the tired old "Without
> the Lord, your fantasies are meaningless" line. Game, set.
>
> For this, I nominate Chungfraud for the Palmjob Paddle. Seconds?
I had to trot over to caballista.org (which strangely enough,
is not burning with celestial fire; maybe God needs to get
another browser?) and review the "Palmjob Paddle" award.
Having done so, I'd say that our Andrew is, if anything,
overqualified for this prestigious award. And so I second.
-- cary
Archie Leach
Note--no response.
>>
>> >
>> > > A person is guilty of criminal impersonation in the first degree when
>> > > he:
>> > >
>> > > 3. Pretending to be a duly licensed physician or other person
>> > > authorized to issue a prescription for any drug or any instrument or
>> > > device used in the taking or administering of drugs for which a
>> > > prescription is required by law, communicates to a pharmacist an oral
>> > > prescription which is required to be reduced to writing pursuant to
>> > > section thirty-three hundred thirty-two of the public health law.
>> > >
>> > > It's a crime only if you, pretending to be a physician, write or
>> > > call in a bogus script to a pharmacist.
>> >
>> > That would be up to the Federal Courts to decide.
>>
>> Or anyone who can read a single sentence.
>>
>> Incidentally, why do you have a New York statute showing up
>> in Federal Court? You see some sort of Constituional
>> Issue in the above?
Note--no response.
>>
>> >
>> > > No doubt snipping that out was inadvertent on your part.
>> >
>> > The entire text of the NY State law code is not required for
>> > understanding the spirit of the law which simply conveys the concept
>> > that it is understandably unlawful to impersonate a physician.
>>
>> If it is, they will explicitly say so. If they do not explicitly
>> say so, then a first-year law school student could get you off.
>>
>> And the "spirit" of the above law is utterly clear: they don't
>> want me calling in a scrip for 100 codeines and a syringe.
>> They don't care if I go to a bar and (pathetically) try
>> to pick up chicks by going "Hi, I'm Doctor Kittrell".
>>
Note--no response.
>> > It
>> > remains a fact that physicians have access to the protected medical
>> > information of their patients so that anyone impersonating a physican
>> > is a threat to the privacy of many others.
>>
>> Unauthorized access to private records is without a doubt
>> covered in state and federal laws; there is no need to
>> specify if a pretend doctor does it or a pretend lawyer does
>> it or a pretend insurance investigator does it or a pretend
>> army recruiter does it or a pretend...
Note--no response.
>> >
>> > Many thanks, much praise and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling
>> > you to continue to unwitting demonstrate that indeed HE has given the
>> > foreknowledge that you will continue to lack both wisdom and
>> > understanding.
>> >
>>
>> And yet, oddly, you're the one who mis-represented, mis-read,
>> and are now grasping wildly in all directions to try to paper
>> it over...
>
>Without the LORD, your fantasies are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
>
Classic evasion of the points mentioned, Chung.
Kurt Gavin
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
>
> In the Holy Spirit, I know you are here to defend Don because you know
> that he has been defeated by LORD Jesus Christ, Who is the truth.
Even Jesus's birth is a made-up story. When the Gospels were written many
years after Jesus's death, nobody knew where he had been born.
An Old Testament prophecy Micah 5: 2 said to expect that the Messiah would
be born in Bethlehem. In the light of this prophecy John's Gospel
specifically remarks that his followers were surprised that he was not born
in Bethlehem, but came out of Galilee.
The Gospels of Matthew and Luke handle this problem differently. They decide
that Jesus must have been born in Bethlehem after all. But they get him
there by different routes.
Matthew has Mary and Joseph in Bethlehem all along, moving to Nazareth only
long after the birth of Jesus, on their return from Egypt where they fled
from King Herod.
Luke on the other hand, acknowledges that Mary and Joseph lived in Nazareth
before Jesus was born. So how to get them to Bethlehem at the crucial moment
in order to to fulfill the prophecy? Luke says that Caesar Augustus decreed
a census for taxation purposes, and everybody had to go to his own home
city. And, that Joseph was out of the house and linage of David and
therefore had to go to the city of David which is called Bethlehem. That's
the story, even though David had lived a thousand years before.
Other Gospels have their share of implausible stories. The Gospel of Thomas
has numerous anecdotes about the child Jesus abusing his magical powers:
transforming his playmates into goats, or turning mud into sparrows; or
giving his father assistance by lengthening a piece of wood.
Bottom line - it's all made up for fools, and there's never been any
shortage of them.
Don Kirkman
>convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
>> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> > > > convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
>> > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> > > > > >I have firsthand experience in criminal proceedings on both sides of
>> > > > > >the coin.
>> > > > > Okay, let's have the shootout. Lay out your experience and I'll follow
>> > > > > with mine. May the better non-lawyer win.
The offer stands. No swords in the offer or in the match.
>> No. It simply means that you know that Don would eat your
>> lunch on this topic.
>In the Holy Spirit, I know you are here to defend Don because you know
>that he has been defeated by LORD Jesus Christ, Who is the truth.
To tell the truth I can't remember the scripture passage about Jesus
wanting to defeat people; could you please refresh my memory?
--
Don Kirkman
Cary Kittrell
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > >convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> > >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
> >
> > >> >"A person is guilty of Criminal Impersonation in the First Degree (E
> > >> >Felony) when he or she knowingly pretends to be a duly licensed
> > >> >physician or ..."
> >
> >
> > >> S 190.26 Criminal impersonation in the first degree.
> > >> he:
> > >> official authority or otherwise to act in reliance upon said pretense
> > >> and in the course of such pretense commits or attempts to commit a
> > >> 3. Pretending to be a duly licensed physician or other person
> > >> authorized to issue a prescription for any drug or any instrument or
> > >> device used in the taking or administering of drugs for which a
> > >> prescription is required by law, communicates to a pharmacist an oral
> > >> prescription which is required to be reduced to writing pursuant to
> > >> section thirty-three hundred thirty-two of the public health law.
> >
> > >> muster, since nobody is going to issue prescriptions in newsgroups.
> > >> http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/nycodes/c82/a45.html
> >
> > >It does if a jury decides that the person who is stealing the on-line
> > >identity of a duly licensed physician has the "intent to induce
> > >another to submit to such pretended official authority or otherwise to
> > >act in reliance upon said pretense and in the course of such pretense
> > >commits or attempts to commit a felony." [S 190.26(2)]
> >
> > No jury will ever hear such a case, because there is no crime in your
> > hypothetical.
>
> It is not up to a jury to decide whether it would hear a case.
>
> It is up to a federal prosecutor to decide whether to file charges and
> prosecute the case.
It is up to a federal prosecuter to decide whether to file a charge
of violation of a New York State statute?
In which alternate reality do federal prosecutors initiate state
cases?
>
> Identity theft and internet fraud (forged posting headers) would be
> the crimes to get things started.
Well, you let us hear when you run across anyone's having been
prosecuted purely for posting forged headers, OK?
-- cary
flyingrat
lov...@thetruth.com says...
> Without the LORD, your fantasies are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
>
flyingrat
lov...@thetruth.com says...
>
> The entire text of the NY State law code is not required for
> understanding the spirit of the law which simply conveys the concept
> remains a fact that physicians have access to the protected medical
> information of their patients so that anyone impersonating a physican
> is a threat to the privacy of many others.
>
flyingrat
lov...@thetruth.com says...
> "A person is guilty of Criminal Impersonation in the First Degree (E
> Felony) when he or she knowingly pretends to be a duly licensed
> physician or ..."
>
flyingrat
lov...@thetruth.com says...
> Impersonating a physician is a crime.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Not for the discerning.
> Again.
Without the LORD, your fantasies are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
flyingrat
lo...@thetruth.com says...
> In the Holy Spirit, I know you are here to defend Don because you know
> that he has been defeated by LORD Jesus Christ, Who is the truth.
>
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> >> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> > > > convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> >> > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> >> > > > > >I have firsthand experience in criminal proceedings on both sides of
> >> > > > > >the coin.
>
> >> > > > > Okay, let's have the shootout. Lay out your experience and I'll follow
> >> > > > > with mine. May the better non-lawyer win.
>
> The offer stands. No swords in the offer or in the match.
The truth has already won. HE is invincible.
> >> No. It simply means that you know that Don would eat your
> >> lunch on this topic.
>
> >In the Holy Spirit, I know you are here to defend Don because you know
> >that he has been defeated by LORD Jesus Christ, Who is the truth.
>
> To tell the truth
Not possible if you do not know HIM.
> I can't remember the scripture passage about Jesus
> wanting to defeat people;
HIS sword defeats the spirit of lawlessness, which abides in you.
> could you please refresh my memory.
"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did
not come to bring peace, but a sword." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew
10:34)
Amen.
Marana tha
yowie
>
> No. It simply means that though I carry the sword of the truth, Who
> is LORD Jesus Christ.... it is Jesus Who wields the sword to
> devastating effect.
Yeah. And my Dad's the PRESIDENT OF THE UNIVERSE!!!
Velvet Elvis
<lov...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>
>The truth has already won. HE is invincxxxxx invisible.
Fixed.
FYI
"yowie" <yo...@tgips.cam> wrote in message news:pan.2007.06.25....@tetypiv.cgs...
Nope!
Maybe he's the "prince of the air", huh ... (-:
--
Don't be a jackanapes!
http://76.162.173.93/stj.jpg
Use alias: St. Jackanapes as a basis for counterfeit.
"Do not give dogs what is holy; and do not throw your
pearls before swine, lest they trample them under foot
and turn to attack you." (Matthew 7:6 RSV)
FYI
"Velvet Elvis" <now...@noplace.org> wrote in message news:p2f0831mou9vcjb02...@4ax.com...>>The truth has already won. He is The King of Kings!
Qadosh Stephanos
Earthquack trainer <chung.i...@privacy.net> wrote:
>In article <f5hib9$s8b$1...@onion.ccit.arizona.edu>,
>ca...@afone.as.arizona.edu says...
>> In article <1182549370.8...@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> writes:
>> > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
>> > >
>> > > "Impersonating a physician" -- without offering medical
>> > > advice -- is precisely as much a federal crime as
>> > > is "Impersonating a grocery clerk".
>> >
>> > Incorrect.
>> >
>> > A couple of applicable federal laws:
>> >
>> > "falsifying electronic source information;"
>> >
>> > Source: 18 USC Sec. 1030
>> >
>> > "knowingly transfers or uses, without lawful authority, a means of
>> > identification of another person with the intent to commit, or to aid
>> > or abet, any unlawful activity that constitutes a violation of Federal
>> > law, or that constitutes a felony under any applicable State or local
>> > law;"
>> >
>> > Source: 18 USC Sec. 1028
>>
>> Again: nothing specific to physicians. A streetwalker is no
>> less protected than you by the above.
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Impersonating a physician can be deemed a felony under applicable
>> > state or local law even when no medical advice has been given.
>>
>> Well, let's see that law, then. The above says nothing of the sort.
>
> Chung is backpedalling frantically away from the OUTRIGHT LIE he
>posted, stating that whoever made that initial post is now in federal
>prison.
>
>Just as he is LYING about applicable laws, and frantically trying to
>cut-and-paste various laws into fitting his fantasy, just as he does
>with aspects of the Bible.
>
>His first OUTRIGHT LIE is also based on the assumption that whoever
>posted it is also in the USA, of which he offers no evidence. In fact
>the evidence seems to indicate that the 'forger' is Chung himself,
>desperate to whip up attention for his crimes and abuses.
>
>If you can't get someone to flagellate you, then do it yourself. Chung
>gets more deranged by the moment. Especially as even the most cursory
>examination shows that those posts came from Chung's Google Groups
>accounts and IP address.
>
>FR
It is unfortunate that Chung thinks he has the key to salvation.
He appears to be a pupil of Paulism. That unchosen 13th apostle.
His people connect medical miracles with pseudo medical science.
Cary Kittrell
"FYI" <fyi...@NOThotmail.com> writes:
>
>
> "yowie" <yo...@tgips.cam> wrote in message news:pan.2007.06.25....@tetypiv.cgs...
> > On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 10:48:05 -0700, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> No. It simply means that though I carry the sword of the truth, Who
> >> is LORD Jesus Christ.... it is Jesus Who wields the sword to
> >> devastating effect.
> >
> > Yeah. And my Dad's the PRESIDENT OF THE UNIVERSE!!!
>
> Nope!
>
> Maybe he's the "prince of the air", huh ... (-:
Hard to tell. Might be easier if you used a phrase that
is actually found in the Bible.
-- cary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> > satan via a sockpuppet (demon) wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > >
> > >> No. It simply means that though I carry the sword of the truth, Who
> > >> is LORD Jesus Christ.... it is Jesus Who wields the sword to
> > >> devastating effect.
> > >
> > > Yeah. And my Dad's the PRESIDENT OF THE UNIVERSE!!!
> >
> > Nope!
> >
> > Maybe he's the "prince of the air", huh ... (-:
>
> Hard to tell. Might be easier if you used a phrase that
> is actually found in the Bible.
As if that would give understanding to the "man of lawlessness" (2
Thessalonians 2).
Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling
you to unwittingly continue without either wisdom or understanding per
the foreknowledge given by the Holy Spirit.
Laus Deo ! ! !
You remain in my prayers, dear neighbor Cary whom I love
unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
FYI
"Cary Kittrell" <ca...@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message news:f5pmdb$ffa$1...@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
Also, look at these ...
A Few Names and Titles of the Antichrist
1. The Antichrist
2. The Man of Sin, The Son of Perdition
3. The Lawless One
4. The Beast
5. The Bloody and Deceitful Man
6. The Wicked One
7. The Man of the Earth
8. The Mighty Man
9. The Enemy
10. The Adversary
11. The Head Over Many Countries
12. The Violent Man
13. The Assyrian
14. The King of Babylon
15. Son of the Morning
16. The Spoiler
17. The Nail
18. The Branch of the Terrible Ones
19. The Profane and Wicked Prince of Israel
20. The Little Horn
21. The Prince that Shall Come
22. The Vile Person
23. The Wilful King
24. The Idol Shepherd
25. The Angel of the Bottomless Pit
Pink, A. W. (2005). The antichrist. Reprint. Originally published: Swengel, Pa. : Bible Truth Depot, 1923. With new foreword. (59).
Bellingham, WA.: Logos Research Systems, Inc.
FYI
"Cary Kittrell" <ca...@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message news:f5pmdb$ffa$1...@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
>
God’s wrath is rendered from heaven. Despite Satan’s
present power as prince of the air and of this world,
the earth is ultimately dominated by heaven, the
throne of God, from which His wrath is constantly
and dynamically manifested in the world of men.
MacArthur, J. (1996, c1991, c1994). Romans (65). Chicago: Moody Press.
FYI
"FYI" <fyi...@NOThotmail.com> wrote in message news:mdqdnS1LSZ3znBzb...@giganews.com...
>
> "Cary Kittrell" <ca...@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message news:f5pmdb$ffa$1...@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
>>
>> "FYI" <fyi...@NOThotmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>
>>> "yowie" <yo...@tgips.cam> wrote in message news:pan.2007.06.25....@tetypiv.cgs...
>>> > On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 10:48:05 -0700, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> No. It simply means that though I carry the sword of the truth, Who
>>> >> is LORD Jesus Christ.... it is Jesus Who wields the sword to
>>> >> devastating effect.
>>> >
>>> > Yeah. And my Dad's the PRESIDENT OF THE UNIVERSE!!!
>>>
>>> Nope!
>>>
>>> Maybe he's the "prince of the air", huh ... (-:
>>
>>
>> Hard to tell. Might be easier if you used a phrase that
>> is actually found in the Bible.
>>
>>
>>
>> -- cary
A Few Names and Titles for the Antichrist
There is a distinct science of nomenclature, a system of names, in the
Word of God. Probably every name found in Scripture has either a
historic, a symbolic, or a spiritual significance. The names are
inseparably bound up with the narrative, and it frequently happens that
the meaning of a proper noun is a key to an important passage. Names are
not employed by the Holy Spirit in a loose and careless manner—of course
not!—but with definite design. A variety of names for the same individual
are not given in order to prevent monotonous repetition, but because the
significance of each separate appellation is best fitted to express what
is recorded in any given instance. “Devil” and “Satan” are not synonyms,
nor are they used at haphazard, but with Divine discrimination. Upon the
meaning of names found in Holy Writ rests a whole scheme of
interpretation; even the order in which names occur is not fortuitous but
designed, and constitutes a part of each lesson taught, or each truth
presented.
There is here a wide field opened for study, a field which few have made
serious effort to explore. It is strange that it has been so neglected,
for again and again the Holy Spirit calls attention to the importance and
meaning of names. In the first book of the Bible we find that children
and places were given meaningful names, which called to remembrance
incidents, experiences, characteristics of interest and importance.
Examples are given where names were changed to harmonize with a change in
the person, place, experience, or situation where it occurred. Abram and
Sarai will at once occur to mind. For a place, take Luz, which was
changed to Bethel—“House of God”—because by reason of a vision he
received there it became that to Jacob. Jacob’s name is changed to
Israel; and in the New Testament an example is furnished in Simeon being
renamed Peter. In Heb. 7:1, 2 the Holy Spirit calls attention to the
significance of the names Melchizedek and Salem (Jerusalem). These are
sufficient to show the importance of this line of study.
Names are used in Scripture with marvelous discrimination, and it was
this fact which first demonstrated to the writer the verbal inspiration
of Scripture. The precision with which names are used in the Bible is
especially noticeable in connection with the Divine titles. The names
Elohim and Jehovah are found on the pages of the Old Testament several
thousand times, but they are never used loosely or interchangeably. Over
three hundred names and titles are given to the Lord Jesus Christ, and
each leas its own distinctive significance, and to substitute any other
for the one used would destroy the beauty and perfections of every
passage where they are found.
Names are employed to express character; titles are used to denote
relationships. It is only as we make a careful study of the various and
numerous names and titles of the Lord Jesus Christ, that we are in a
position to appreciate His infinite excellencies and the manifold
relationships which He sustains. From an opposite standpoint the same is
equally true of the Antichrist. As we pay careful attention to the
different names and titles which are given to him, we then discover what
a marvelously complete delineation the Holy Spirit has furnished us with
of the person, the character, and career of this monster of wickedness.
It is unfortunate that the great variety of names bestowed upon him has
led some brethren to the conclusion that they must belong to separate
persons, and has caused them to apportion these out to different
individuals; only confusion can result from this. There is almost as much
ground to make the Devil and Satan different persons, as there is to
regard (as some do) the Beast and the Antichrist as separate entities.
That the Devil and Satan are names belonging to the same person, and that
the Beast and the Antichrist is the selfsame individual, is proven by the
fact that identically the same characteristics under each is found
belonging to the one as to the other. Instead of apportioning these names
to different persons, we must see that they denominate the same
individual, only in different relationships, or as giving us various
phases of his character.
An old writer has said the name Devil is most suggestive of his
character. If “d” is taken away evil is left. If “e” is taken away vile
is left. If “v” is taken away ill is left. And if “i” is taken away and
the next letter be aspirated, it tells of hell. It is equally true of the
Antichrist: his names reveal his character, expose his vileness, and
forecast his career and doom.
The names and titles given to the Antichrist are far more numerous than
is commonly supposed. We propose to give as complete a list as possible,
and offer a few comments on their significations. We shall not expatiate
on them at equal length, for that is not necessary; instead, we shall say
the most on those cognomens which are of the greater importance, or,
which because of their ambiguity call for a more detailed elucidation.
[1]
1. The Antichrist
“Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is
Antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.” (1 John 2:22) This name
introduces to us one of the most solemn and foreboding subjects in the
Word of God. It brings before us one of the persons in the Trinity of
Evil. At every point he is the antithesis of Christ. The word
“Antichrist” has a double significance. Its primary meaning is one who is
opposed to Christ; but its secondary meaning is one who is instead of
Christ. Let not this be thought strange, for it accords with the two
stages in his career. At first he will pose as the true Christ,
masquerading in the livery of religion. But, later, he will throw off his
disguise, stand forth in his true character, and set himself up as one
who is against God and His Christ.
Not only does antichrist denote the antagonist of Christ, but it tells of
one who is instead of Christ. The word signifies another Christ, a
pro-Christ, an alter christus, a pretender to the name of Christ. He will
seem to be and will set himself up as the true Christ. He will be the
Devil’s counterfeit. Just as the Devil is an Anti-theos— not only the
adversary of God, but the usurper of the place and prerogatives of God,
demanding worship; so the Son of Perdition will be anti-christ—not only
the antagonist and opponent of Christ, but His rival: assuming the very
position and prerogatives of Christ; passing himself off as the rightful
claimant to all the rights and honors of the Son of God.
2. The Man of Sin, the Son of Perdition
“Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except
there come a falling away first, and that Man of Sin be revealed, the Son
of Perdition.” (2 Thess. 2:3) This double appellation is probably the
most awful, the most important, and the most revealing title given to the
Antichrist in all the Bible. It diagnoses his personality and exposes his
awful character. It tells us he will be possessed of a twofold nature: he
will be a man and yet more than a man. He will be Satan’s parody of the
God-Man. He will be an incarnation of the Devil. The world today is
talking of and looking for the Superman. This is exactly what the
Antichrist will be. He will be the Serpent’s masterpiece.
“That Man of Sin.” What a frightful name! The sin of man will culminate
in the Man of Sin. The Christ of God was sinless; the Christ of Satan
will not only be sinful, but the Man of Sin. “Man of Sin” intimates that
he will be the living and active embodiment of every form and character
of evil. “Man of Sin” signifies that he will be sin itself personified.
“Man of Sin” denotes there will be no lengths of wickedness to which he
will not go, no forms of evil to which he will be a stranger, no depths
of corruption that he will not bottom.
“The Son of Perdition.” And again we are forced to exclaim, what a
frightful name! Not only a human degenerate, but the offspring of the
Dragon. Not only the worst of human kind, but the incarnation of the
Devil. Not only the most depraved of all sinners, but an emanation from
the Pit itself. “Son of Perdition” denotes that he will be the
culmination and consummation of satanic craft and power. All the evil,
malignity, cunning, and power of the Serpent will be embodied in this
terrible monster.
3. The Lawless One
“And then shall be revealed the lawless One, whom the Lord Jesus shall
slay with the breath of His mouth, and bring to nought by the
manifestation of His coming.” (2 Thess. 2:8 R. V.) This is another name
of the Antichrist which makes manifest his awful character. Each of his
names exhibits him as the antithesis of the true Christ. The Lord Jesus
was the Righteous One; the Man of Sin will be the Lawless One. The Lord
Jesus was “made under the law” (Gal. 4:4); the Antichrist will oppose all
law, being a law unto himself. When the Saviour entered this world, He
came saying, “Lo I come to do Thy will, O God” (Heb. 10:9); but of the
Antichrist it is written “And the king shall do according to his will.”
(Dan. 11:36) The Antichrist will set himself up in direct opposition to
all authority, both Divine and human.
4. The Beast
“And when they shall have finished their testimony the Beast that
ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and
shall overcome them, and kill them.” (Rev. 11:7) This is another name
which reveals the terrible nature and character of the Antichrist and
which places him in sharp antithesis from the true Christ. “The Beast” is
the title by which he is most frequently designated in the Revelation:
there are at least thirty references to him under this name in the last
book of the Bible. The Greek word signifies a wild beast. This name “the
Beast” contrasts the Antichrist from the true Christ as “the Lamb;” and
it is a significant fact that by far the great majority of passages where
the Lord Jesus is so designated are also found here in the Apocalypse.
The “Lamb” is the Saviour of sinners; the “Beast” is the persecutor and
slayer of the saints. The “Lamb” calls attention to the gentleness of
Christ; the “Beast” tells of the ferocity of the Antichrist. The “Lamb”
reveals Christ as the “harmless” One (Heb. 7:26); the “Beast” manifests
the Antichrist as the cruel and heartless one. Under the Law lambs were
ceremonially clean and used in sacrifice, but beasts were unclean and
unfit for sacrifices.
It is a point of interest to note that there is one other very striking
contrast between the persons in the Holy Trinity, and the persons in the
trinity of evil. At our Lord’s baptism the Holy Spirit descended upon Him
in the form of a dove, and the first mention of the Holy Spirit in
Scripture represents Him as “brooding” like a dove over the waters which
covered the pre-Adamic earth (Gen. 1:2). How remarkable are these
symbols—a “Lamb” and a “Dove!” A Dove, not a hawk or an eagle. The
gentle, harmless, cooing “dove.” Over against this the Devil is termed
“the Dragon.” What a contrast—the Dove and the Lamb, the Dragon and the
Beast!
5. The Bloody and Deceitful Man
“Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing: the Lord will abhor the
Bloody and Deceitful Man.” (Ps. 5:6) The Psalm from which this verse is
quoted contains a prayer of the godly Jewish remnant, offered during the
Tribulation period. In proof of this assertion observe that in v. 2 God
is owned and addressed as “King.” In v. 7 intimation is given that the
Temple has been rebuilt in Jerusalem, for turning away from it when it
has been defiled by “the Abomination of Desolation,” the remnant say,
“But as for me I will come into Thy House in the multitude of Thy mercy:
and in Thy fear will I worship toward Thy Holy Temple.” While in v. 10 we
find them praying for the destruction of their enemies, which is parallel
with Rev. 6:10. It is during that time the faithful remnant will exclaim,
“Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing: the Lord will abhor the
Bloody and Deceitful Man.”
The Bloody and Deceitful Man views the Antichrist in relation to the
Jews. In the earlier stages of his public career he poses as their friend
and benefactor. He recognizes their rights as a separate State and
appears anxious to protect their autonomy. He makes a formal covenant
with them (Dan. 9:27) and their peace and security seem assured. But a
few years later he comes out in his true character. His fair speeches and
professions of friendship are seen to be false. He breaks his covenant
(Ps. 55:20) and turns upon the Jews in fury. Their benefactor is now
their worst enemy. The protector of their interests now aims to cut them
off from being a nation in the earth (Ps. 83:4). Thus is he rightfully
denominated by them “the Bloody and Deceitful Man.”
6. The Wicked One
“The Wicked (One) in his pride doth persecute the poor: the Wicked (One),
through the pride of his countenance, will not seek after God.” (Ps.
10:2, 4) This entire Psalm is about the Wicked One. The opening verse
gives the key to its dispensational scope. It contains the cry of the
Jewish remnant during the Tribulation period, here denominated “Times of
Trouble.” (cf. Jer. 30:7) So desperate is the situation of the true
Israel, it seems as though Jehovah must have deserted them—“Why standest
Thou afar off, O Lord? Why hidest Thou Thyself in times of trouble?” (v.
1) Then follows a remarkably full description of their archenemy, the
Wicked One. His pride (v. 2), his depravity: “He abhorreth the Lord” (v.
3 margin); his blasphemy: “All his thoughts are, There is no God” (v. 4
margin); his grievous ways, (v. 5); his consuming egotism, (v. 6); his
deceitfulness, (v. 7); his treachery, (v. 8); his cruelty, (vv. 9, 10);
his complacent pride, (v. 11), is each described. Then the Remnant cry,
“Arise, O Lord; O God, lift up Thine hand: forget not the humble. Break
Thou the arm of the Wicked and Evil One.” (vv. 12 and 15) The whole Psalm
should be carefully studied.
7. The Man of the Earth
“To judge the fatherless and the oppressed, that the Man of the Earth may
no more oppress.” (Ps. 10:18) The “Wicked One” describes his character;
the “Man of the Earth” defines his position. The one speaks of his awful
depths of depravity; the other of his vast dominions. The sphere of his
operations will be no mere local one. He will become World emperor. He
will be a king of kings and lord of lords (Rev. 13:7). When the true
Christ appeared on earth, Satan offered Him “all the kingdoms of the
world and the glory of them” if He would fall down and worship him. When
the false Christ appears, this offer will be repeated, the conditions
will be met, and the tempting gift will be bestowed (Rev. 13:2). In
consequence of this he shall be “the Man of the Earth;” Just as later,
Christ shall be “King over all the earth.” (Zech. 14:7)
8. The Mighty Man
“Why boasteth thou thyself in mischief, O Mighty Man.” (Ps. 52:1) This is
another Psalm which is devoted to a description of this fearful
character. Here again we have mention of his boastfulness (v. 1), his
deceitfulness (v. 2), his depravity (v. 3), his egotism (v. 4), his
riches (v. 7). His doom is also announced (v. 5). This title, the Mighty
Man, refers to his immense wealth and possessions, and the power which
they confer upon their possessor. It also points a striking contrast:
Christ was the Lowly Man, not having where to lay His head; the
Antichrist will be the Mighty Man, of whom it is said, “Lo, this is the
man that made not God his strength; but trusted in the abundance of his
riches, and strengthened himself in his substance.” (Ps. 52:7)
9. The Enemy
“Because of the voice of the Enemy, because of the oppression of the
Wicked: for they cast iniquity upon me, and in wrath they hate me.” (Ps.
55:3) This is another title used of the Antichrist in connection with
Israel, a title which recurs several times both in the Psalms and the
Prophets. It points a designed contrast from that Friend that “sticketh
closer than a brother.” This Enemy of Israel oppresses them sorely. His
duplicity and treachery are here referred to. Concerning him Israel shall
exclaim, “The words of his mouth were smoother than butter, but war was
in his heart: his words were softer than oil, yet were they drawn
swords.” (Ps. 55:21) Let the student be on the lookout for passages in
the Old Testament which make mention of the Enemy
10. The Adversary
“They said in their hearts, Let us destroy them together: they have
burned up all the synagogues of God in the land. We see not our signs:
there is no more any profit: neither is there any among us that knoweth
how long. O God, how long shall the Adversary reproach? Shall the Enemy
blaspheme Thy name forever?” (Ps. 74:8–10) This title occurs in several
important passages. In Isa. 59:19 we read, “So shall they fear the name
of the Lord from the west, and His glory from the rising of the sun. When
the Adversary shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the Lord shall
lift up a standard against him.” Lam. 4:11, 12 is another scripture which
obviously speaks of the End-time. “The Lord hath accomplished His fury;
He hath poured out His fierce anger, and hath kindled a fire in Zion, and
it hath devoured the foundations thereof. The kings of the earth, and all
the inhabitants of the world, would not have believed that the Adversary
and the Enemy should have entered into the gates of Jerusalem.” In Amos
3:11 we read, “Therefore thus saith the Lord God; an Adversary there
shall be even round about the land; and he shall bring down thy strength
from thee, and thy palaces shall be spoiled.” This is a title which
intimates his satanic origin, for the Greek word for Devil means
adversary.
11. The Head Over Many Countries
“He shall judge among the heathen, he shall fill the places with the dead
bodies; he shall wound the Head over many countries.” (Ps. 110:6) The
context here shows that it must be the Antichrist which is in view. The
Psalm opens by the Father inviting the Son to sit at His right hand until
His enemies shall be made His footstool. Then follows the affirmation
that Jehovah will display His strength out of Jerusalem, and make His
people Israel willing in the day of His power. Then, following Jehovah’s
oath that Christ is a Priest forever after the order of Melchizedek
(which contemplates the exercise of His millennial and royal priesthood),
we read, “The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the
day of His wrath. He shall judge among the heathen, He shall fill the
places with the dead bodies; He shall wound the Head over many
countries.” The “Day of His wrath” is the closing portion of the
Tribulation period, and in the Day of His wrath He wounds this Head over
many countries. The Head over many countries refers to the Man of Sin as
the Caesar of the last world empire, prior to the establishment of the
Messianic Kingdom.
12. The Violent Man
“Deliver me, O Lord, from the Evil Man: preserve me from the Violent
Man.” (Ps. 140:1) This is another Psalm which expresses the plaintive
supplications of the godly remnant in the “time of Jacob’s trouble.”
Three times over the Antichrist is denominated the Violent Man. In v. 1
the remnant pray to be delivered from him. In v. 4 the petition is
repeated. In v. 11 his doom is foretold. Cry is made for God to take
vengeance upon this bloody persecutor: “Let burning coals fall upon them:
let them be cast into the fire; into deep pits, that they rise not up
again. Let not an evil speaker be established in the earth: evil shall
hunt the Violent Man to overthrow him.” (Ps. 140:10, 11) The Violent Man
is a name which fully accords with his Beastlike character. It tells of
his ferocity and rapacity.
13. The Assyrian
“O Assyrian, the rod of Mine anger, and the staff in their hand is Mine
indignation…Wherefore it shall come to pass, that when the Lord hath
performed His whole work upon mount Zion and on Jerusalem, I will punish
the fruit of the stout heart of the King of Assyria, and the glory of his
high looks.” (Isa. 10:5, 12) We cannot here attempt an exposition of the
important passage in which these verses occur—that, in subsequent
chapters, we shall treat in detail of the Antichrist in the Psalms, and
the Antichrist in the Prophets—suffice it now to point out that it treats
of the End-time (see vv. 12, 20), and that the leading characteristics of
the Man of Sin can be clearly discerned in what is here said of the
Assyrian. Almost all premillennial students of prophecy are agreed that
“the King” of Isa. 30:33 is the Antichrist, and yet in the two verses
which precede, this “King” is identified with “the Assyrian.”
14. The King of Babylon
“Thou shalt take up this proverb against the King of Babylon, and say,
How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!” (Isa. 14:4) We do
not wish to anticipate what we shall discuss at length in our future
studies, enough now to state it is our firm conviction that Scripture
plainly teaches that there will be another Babylon which will eclipse the
importance and glories of the one of the past, and that Babylon will be
one of the headquarters of the Antichrist. He will have three: Jerusalem
will be his religious headquarters, Rome his political, and Babylon his
commercial. For those who desire to anticipate our future expositions, we
recommend them to make a minute study of Isa. 10, 11, 13, 14; Jer. 49–51;
Zech. 5, and Rev. 18.
15. Son of the Morning
“How art thou fallen from heaven O Lucifer, Son of the Morning! How art
thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations.” (Isa.
14:12) “Lucifer” is a Latin word which signifies the “morning star.” “All
the ancient versions and all the Rabbins make the word a noun denoting
the bright one, or, more specifically, bright star, or according to the
ancients more specifically still, the Morning Star or harbinger of
daylight.” (Dr. J. A. Alexander) This term “Lucifer” has been commonly
regarded as one of the names of Satan, and what is here said of the
Morning Star is viewed as describing his apostasy. Against this
interpretation we have nothing to say, except to remark that we are
satisfied it does not exhaust this remarkable scripture. A detailed
exposition must be reserved for a later chapter. Sufficient now to point
out that however Isa. 14 may look back to the distant past when, through
pride, Satan fell from his original estate, it most evidently looks
forward to a coming day and gives another picture of the Antichrist. In
this same passage “Lucifer” is termed “the Man that did make the earth to
tremble” (v. 16), and in his blasphemous boast “I will be like the Most
High” (v. 14), we have no difficulty in identifying him with the Man of
Sin of 2 Thess. 2:3, 4. The force of this particular title “Morning Star”
is seen by comparing it with Rev. 22:16, where we learn that this is one
of the titles of the God-man. The “Morning Star” speaks of Christ coming
to usher in the great Day of rest for the earth. In blasphemous travesty
of this Satan will send forth the mock messiah to usher in a false
millennium.
16. The Spoiler
“Let mine outcasts dwell with thee, Moab; be thou a covert to them from
the face of the Spoiler: for the Extortioner is at an end, the Spoiler
ceaseth, the oppressors are consumed out of the land. And in mercy shall
the throne be established: and He shall sit upon it in truth in the
tabernacle of David, judging, and seeking judgment, and hasting
righteousness.” (Isa. 16:4, 5) It will be observed that the verse in
which the Antichrist is spoken of as the Spoiler comes immediately before
the one where we read of the throne being established, a reference, of
course, to the setting up of the Messianic Kingdom. These two things
synchronize: the destruction of Antichrist, and the beginning of the real
Messiah’s reign; hence we read here “the Spoiler ceaseth.” A further
reference to the Man of Sin under this title of the Spoiler is found in
Jer. 6:26: “O daughter of My people, gird thee with sackcloth, and wallow
thyself in ashes: make thee mournings, as for an only son, most bitter
lamentation: for the Spoiler shall suddenly come upon thee.” This is
another title which views the Antichrist in connection with Israel. After
the return of many of the Jews to Palestine, and after their rights have
been owned by the Powers, and their security and success seem assured;
their enemy, filled with satanic malice, will seek their extermination.
“The Spoiler” contrasts him with the Lord Jesus who is the great Restorer
(see Ps. 69:4).
17. The Nail
“In that day, saith the Lord of hosts, shall the Nail that is fastened in
the sure place be removed, and be cut down, and fall; and the burden that
was upon it shall be cut off for the Lord hath spoken it.” (Isa. 22:25)
The last ten verses of this chapter should be read carefully. They
furnish a striking foreshadowment of the End-time. Shebna was holding
some office over (note “government” in v. 21) Israel. Apparently he was a
usurper. God announced that he should be set aside in shame, and the man
of His choice—Eliakim—should take his place. These historical figures
merge into prophetic characters. In v. 22 we read that God says, “And the
key of the house of David will I lay upon His shoulder, so He shall open,
and none shall shut; and He shall shut, and none shall open.” As we know
from Rev. 3:7 this refers to none other than the Lord Jesus, and of Him
it is here said, “And I will fasten Him as a Nail in a sure place; and He
shall be for a glorious throne to His father’s house.” (v. 23) Then, in
the closing verse of the chapter we read, “In that day, saith the Lord of
hosts, shall the Nail that is fastened in a sure place be removed, and be
cut down, and fall.” Just as Eliakim foreshadowed Christ, so Shebna
pointed forward to the Antichrist; and just as in v. 23 we have a
prophecy announcing the establishment of Messiah’s Kingdom, so in v. 25
we have foretold the overthrow of the false messiah’s kingdom.
18. The Branch of the Terrible Ones
“Thou shalt bring down the noise of strangers, as the heat in a dry
place; even the heat faith the shadow of a cloud; the Branch of the
terrible ones shall be brought low.” (Isa. 25:5) The first five verses of
this chapter contemplate the Enemy’s stronghold—Babylon—and the remainder
of the chapter pictures the blessedness of the millennial era. In the
fifth verse the Antichrist’s overthrow is announced: “The Branch of the
terrible ones shall be brought low.” With this should be compared Isa.
14:19, where of Lucifer it is said, “Thou art cast out of thy grave like
an abominable Branch.” This points another contrast. The “Branch” is one
of the Messianic names: “Behold, I will bring forth My Servant, the
Branch” (Zech. 3:8); “Behold the man whose name is the Branch.” (Zech.
6:12) By placing together Isa. 4:2 and Isa. 14:19 the antithesis will be
more evident. Of Christ it is said, “The Branch of the Lord shall be
beautiful and glorious;” Antichrist is called “an abominable Branch:”
Christ is “the Branch of the lord;” Antichrist is “the Branch of the
terrible ones.”
19. The Profane and Wicked Prince of Israel
“And thou, profane wicked Prince of Israel, whose day is come, when
iniquity shall have an end, thus saith the Lord God; remove the diadem,
and take off the crown: this shall not be the same: exalt him that is
low, and abase him that is high. I will overturn, overturn, overturn it:
and it shall be no more, until He come whose right it is; and I will give
it Him.” (Ezek. 21:25–27) The Profane and Wicked Prince of Israel here
can be none other than the Antichrist, for we are expressly told that his
day shall be “when iniquity shall have an end.” The reference is, of
course, to Israel’s “iniquity,” and their iniquity shall end at the
appearing of the Messiah (see Dan. 9:24) when “He shall be a priest upon
His throne.” (Zech. 6:13) Here in Ezekiel we see how the Son of Perdition
shall ape the Christ of God, for he, too, will be a priest-king: “Remove
the diadem” refers to the insignia of his priesthood (in every other
place in the O. T. where occurs the Hebrew Lord here translated “diadem”
it is rendered “mitre”— worn only by the high priest of Israel); “take
off the crown” is the symbol of his kingship.
20. The Little Horn
“I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another
Little Horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up
by the roots: and, behold, in this Horn were eyes like the eyes of man,
and a mouth speaking great things.” (Dan. 7:8) For a full description of
the Antichrist under this title see Dan. 7:8–11, 21–26; 8:9–12, 23–25. We
must reserve our comments on these verses till a later chapter. “Little
Horn” refers to the lowly political origin of the Antichrist, and
describes him as he is before he attains governmental supremacy.
21. The Prince that Shall Come
“And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for
Himself: and the people of the Prince that shall come shall destroy the
city and the sanctuary.” (Dan. 9:26) This title connects the Antichrist
with the Roman Empire in its final form, and presents him as the last of
the Cedars.
22. The Vile Person
“And in his estate shall stand up a Vile Person, to whom they shall not
give the honor of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain
the kingdom by flatteries.” (Dan. 11:21) This contrasts the Antichrist
from “the Holy One of Israel.” His identity is established by noting what
is predicated of him.
23. The Wilful King
“And the King shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself,
and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvelous things
against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be
accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.” (Dan. 11:36)
The Antichrist will not only be the High Priest of the world’s religion,
but he will be King supreme at the head of its government.
24. The Idol Shepherd
“For, lo, I will raise up a Shepherd in the land, which shall not visit
those that be cut off, neither shall seek the young ones, nor heal that
that is broken, nor feed that that standeth still: but he shall eat the
flesh of the fat, and tear their claws in pieces. Woe to the Idol
Shepherd that leaveth the flock! The sword shall be upon his arm, and
upon his right eye: his arm shall be clean dried up, and his right eye
shall be utterly darkened.” (Zech. 11:16, 17) This is in evident contrast
from the Good Shepherd who gave His life for His sheep. The Idol Shepherd
of deluded Israel will prove himself the monster Desolator, who shall
bring upon that people the severest tribulations ever experienced by that
race.
25. The Angel of the Bottomless Pit
“And they had a king over them, which is the Angel of the bottomless pit,
whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath
his name Apollyon.” (Rev. 9:11) “Abaddon” and “Apollyon” mean Destroyer.
It is the “Spoiler” of Isa. 16:4 rendered “Destroyer” in Jer. 4:7. That
his name is here given in the Hebrew and the Greek shows that he will be
connected with both the Jews and the Gentiles.
Other names of the Antichrist which the student may look up are, “The Rod
of God’s anger” (Isa. 10:12); “The Unclean Spirit” (Matt. 12:43); “The
Lie” (2 Thess. 2:11); “A Star” (Rev. 8:10 and 9:1); and “The Vine of the
Earth.” (Rev. 14:18)
In our next chapter we shall deal with the genius of the Antichrist, and
point out the many striking comparisons and contrasts between him and the
Christ of God. Let the student see how many points of resemblance and
opposition he can find.
[2]
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[1]Pink, A. W. (2005). The antichrist. Reprint. Originally published:
Swengel, Pa. : Bible Truth Depot, 1923. With new foreword. (59).
Bellingham, WA.: Logos Research Systems, Inc.
[2]Pink, A. W. (2005). The antichrist. Reprint. Originally published:
Swengel, Pa. : Bible Truth Depot, 1923. With new foreword. (62).
Cary Kittrell
> convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> > brother Melchizedek wrote:
> > > satan via a sockpuppet (demon) wrote:
> > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> No. It simply means that though I carry the sword of the truth, Who
> > > >> is LORD Jesus Christ.... it is Jesus Who wields the sword to
> > > >> devastating effect.
> > > >
> > > > Yeah. And my Dad's the PRESIDENT OF THE UNIVERSE!!!
> > >
> > > Nope!
> > >
> > > Maybe he's the "prince of the air", huh ... (-:
> >
> > Hard to tell. Might be easier if you used a phrase that
> > is actually found in the Bible.
>
> As if that would give understanding to the "man of lawlessness" (2
> Thessalonians 2).
This particular boy of "lawlessness" understood well enough
that the quote was munged. How do you think that came about?
-- cary
>
> Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling
> you to unwittingly continue without either wisdom or understanding per
> the foreknowledge given by the Holy Spirit.
-- cary
Cary Kittrell
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> "Cary Kittrell" <ca...@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message news:f5pmdb$ffa$1...@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
> >
> > "FYI" <fyi...@NOThotmail.com> writes:
> >>
> >>
> >> "yowie" <yo...@tgips.cam> wrote in message news:pan.2007.06.25....@tetypiv.cgs...
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> No. It simply means that though I carry the sword of the truth, Who
> >> >> is LORD Jesus Christ.... it is Jesus Who wields the sword to
> >> >> devastating effect.
> >> >
> >> > Yeah. And my Dad's the PRESIDENT OF THE UNIVERSE!!!
> >>
> >> Nope!
> >>
> >> Maybe he's the "prince of the air", huh ... (-:
> >
> >
> > Hard to tell. Might be easier if you used a phrase that
> > is actually found in the Bible.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> God’s wrath is rendered from heaven. Despite Satan’s
> present power as prince of the air and of this world,
> the earth is ultimately dominated by heaven, the
> throne of God, from which His wrath is constantly
> and dynamically manifested in the world of men.
>
> MacArthur, J. (1996, c1991, c1994). Romans (65). Chicago: Moody Press.
Ah, so that exact phrase DOES in fact occur, in the Book of MacArthur.
My bad.
(your other post is pretty interesting, though)
-- cary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> > > brother Melchizedek wrote:
> > > > satan via a sockpuppet (demon) wrote:
> > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> No. It simply means that though I carry the sword of the truth, Who
> > > > >> is LORD Jesus Christ.... it is Jesus Who wields the sword to
> > > > >> devastating effect.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yeah. And my Dad's the PRESIDENT OF THE UNIVERSE!!!
> > > >
> > > > Nope!
> > > >
> > > > Maybe he's the "prince of the air", huh ... (-:
> > >
> > > Hard to tell. Might be easier if you used a phrase that
> > > is actually found in the Bible.
> >
> > As if that would give understanding to the "man of lawlessness" (2
> > Thessalonians 2).
>
> This particular boy of "lawlessness" understood well enough
> that the quote was munged. How do you think that came about?
Would first have to witness some semblance of understanding from you
before we can credit GOD with giving you understanding.
May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
than ever.
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Don Kirkman
article <1182847365....@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>:
>convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
>> brother Melchizedek wrote:
>> Hard to tell. Might be easier if you used a phrase that
>> is actually found in the Bible.
>As if that would give understanding to the "man of lawlessness" (2
>Thessalonians 2).
As if that answers Cary's comment.
". . . that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the
man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and
exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that
he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God."
That doesn't seem to fit anybody in this newsgroup, or the others you
habitually cross post to. It does seem a pretty good fit for Antiochus,
who had done precisely that a century or so before Paul wrote. Paul
obviously was writing about the conditions and expectations of his own
time, not about some motley group of folks writing messages in
newsgroups two millennia later. He was telling the Thessalonians to
hold on, that hardship was coming, but that everything would be all
right in the end.
If you had taken the time to learn about the Bible and its
interpretation when I suggested it you could be avoiding some of these
gaffes now. Instead you've chosen to abandon the Bible except for the
occasional (erroneous) proof text.
--
Don Kirkman
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> brother Melchizedek wrote:
>
> >> Hard to tell. Might be easier if you used a phrase that
> >> is actually found in the Bible.
>
> >As if that would give understanding to the "man of lawlessness" (2
> >Thessalonians 2).
>
> As if that answers Cary's comment.
>
> ". . . that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the
> man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and
> exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that
> he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God."
>
> That doesn't seem to fit anybody in this newsgroup, or the others you
> habitually cross post to.
"The atheist is the man of lawlessness." -- Holy Spirit
Amen.
May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
than ever.
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Cary Kittrell
> convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> > > > brother Melchizedek wrote:
> > > > > satan via a sockpuppet (demon) wrote:
> > > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> No. It simply means that though I carry the sword of the truth, Who
> > > > > >> is LORD Jesus Christ.... it is Jesus Who wields the sword to
> > > > > >> devastating effect.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yeah. And my Dad's the PRESIDENT OF THE UNIVERSE!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > Nope!
> > > > >
> > > > > Maybe he's the "prince of the air", huh ... (-:
> > > >
> > > > Hard to tell. Might be easier if you used a phrase that
> > > > is actually found in the Bible.
> > >
> > > As if that would give understanding to the "man of lawlessness" (2
> > > Thessalonians 2).
> >
> > This particular boy of "lawlessness" understood well enough
> > that the quote was munged. How do you think that came about?
>
> Would first have to witness some semblance of understanding from you
> before we can credit GOD with giving you understanding.
I recognized the Scriptural quote he fumbled.
How do you think that came about?
-- cary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
It is GOD Who has rendered you "ever seeing but not perceiving."
This simply shows that you remain convicted by the Holy Spirit:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
Cary Kittrell
Well, he may have found Scripture to uncomfortably limit his
imaginings. For example, I am not aware of any passage describing
Satan's jism, but Andrew has neatly filled in that lacuna for us.
-- cary
flyingrat
@thetruth.com says...
> "The atheist is the man of lawlessness." -- Holy Spirit
as he is issuing new commandments, does that not mean Chung is again
setting himself up as a prophet? The messenger of God?
"But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not
commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods,
must be put to death."
"You may say to yourselves, 'How can we know when a message has not
been spoken by the Lord?' If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the
Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has
not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of
him" (Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NIV).
So as Chung prophesied earthquakes, nuclear wars, the destruction of
Tehran (complete with dates) and the rest, that qualifies him firmly as
a false prophet. No doubt his St Chung the Baptist fantasy will continue
unabated.
FR
Cary Kittrell
Whoa, they DO mount up, don't they? What, almost 150 "convicts"?
So, how do you handle all the work? Do you pray for them one
at a time, or in batches? Or do you just point God to the
URL, and expect Him to take it from there?
-- cary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
With HIS help, it has been effortless.
> Do you pray for them one at a time, or in batches?
As the Holy Spirit guides me.
> Or do you just point God to the URL, and expect Him to take it from there?
GOD's will be done and not my will.
May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
than ever.
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Kurt Gavin
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
>
> "The atheist is the man of lawlessness." -- Holy Spirit
Demonstrate where that is said in the bible.
I think you are lying, and if you don't answer, that means you are caught in
ANOTHER obvious lie.
St. Jackanapes
In alt.flame.jesus.christ, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD said...
> convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> > > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [. . .]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >I have firsthand experience in criminal proceedings on both sides of
> > > > > > >the coin.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Okay, let's have the shootout. Lay out your experience and I'll follow
> > > > > > with mine. May the better non-lawyer win.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Those who live by the sword, die by the sword." -- LORD Jesus Christ
> > > >
> > > > > Amen.
> > > >
> > > > > HE wins :-)
> > > >
> > > > > Suggested reading:
> > > >
> > > > > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Christ.asp
> > > >
> > > > > This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict
> > > > > you:
> > > >
> > > > > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
> > > >
> > > > In other words, Don called your bluff, and rather than boldly
> > > > comparing your legal acumen with his, you're going to back
> > > > down.
> > >
> > > No. It simply means that though I carry the sword of the truth, Who
> > > is LORD Jesus Christ.... it is Jesus Who wields the sword to
> > > devastating effect.
> >
> > No. It simply means that you know that Don would eat your
> > lunch on this topic.
>
> In the Holy Spirit, I know you are here to defend Don because you know
> that he has been defeated by LORD Jesus Christ, Who is the truth.
>
> > Again.
>
> Forever.
>
> May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
> than ever.
>
> Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Cardiologist
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/verbigeration
Verbigeration
ver·big·er·a·tion
n.
Obsessive repetition of meaningless words and phrases, especially as a
symptom of mental illness.
http://cancerweb.ncl.ac.uk/cgi-bin/omd?verbigeration
Constant repetition of meaningless words or phrases; seen in
schizophrenia.
--
St. Jackanapes ~ Bearer of The One True Liver ~
Ordained Minister & Holy Saint of The Universal Life Church
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"The ejaculate from satan has the consistency and smell of emesis."
- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
St. Jackanapes
> > Actually, it's for a much more mundane reason, to wit: he's right,
> > you're wrong.
>
> Not for the discerning.
>
> > Again.
>
> Without the LORD, your fantasies are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
>
> May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
> than ever.
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/verbigeration
St. Jackanapes
In alt.flame.jesus.christ, yowie said...
Oooooh! That trumps a lowly savior of the Earth any day.
No One
"St. Jackanapes" <larry_j...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:11pq5u....@news.alt.net...
. The Holy Spirit is Living Water
To commemorate the miraculous provision of water, a procession of
priests would draw water from the pool of Siloam and pour it out on the
floor of the temple courtyard during each day of the feast. On the eighth
day, the last day, the great day of the feast, however, the priests would
return from the pool of Siloam with empty vessels, signifying that when
the Israelites entered the Promised Land, water from the rock was no
longer needed. The Feast of Tabernacles not only commemorated the
past-it anticipated the future.[1]
(John 7:38 NASB)
38 "He who believes in Me, ?a?as the Scripture said, 'From
?1?his innermost being will flow rivers of ?b?living water.' " [2]
The expression "out of his heart will flow rivers of living water" means
out of the person's inward parts or inner life would flow streams of help
to others.[3]
Question. Are you willing to hold to the truths of the "Power" that ignites
the church to do the work of God?
In addition to the Bible, the book Living Water[4], by senior pastor
Chuck Smith is the main commentary reference tool for the subject of
this report, the Holy Spirit. Other commentaries are exercised to
complement the main points of this report.
Introductory Excerpt.
Jesus promised His bewildered disciples that He would not leave them
as orphans, but that He would pray to the Father who would send them
another Comforter who would come alongside to help them and would
abide with them forever. Jesus promised that the Holy Spirit would teach
them all things and bring to their remembrance all the things that He had
commanded them.
· He is to conform you into the image of Christ
· He is to come alongside of you to help you in your walk
· He is to teach you all things
· He is to give you an understanding of spiritual things
· He is to give you the power to be a witness of Jesus Christ
There is a vast difference between being filled with the Holy Spirit and
having the Holy Spirit flow forth out of your life like a torrent of living
water.
The major portion of this report is taken from an exegesis of (1
Corinthians 12).
As a foundational prerequisite, we will use the introductory material from
(1 Corinthians 13).
I. Love Is Essential (13:1-3)
The word "charity" means "love" in action. It is not simply an emotion; it
is the heart reaching out to others. "Charity" today makes us think of
giving away old clothes or making gifts to "charitable institutions." These
activities can be Christian love in action, but Paul is demanding much
more. The word he uses for love is agape, which is love that sacrifices
for the good of others.[5]
It takes the indwelling of the Spirit of God in the life, and the empowering
of the Spirit, for anyone to display this kind of character in daily life.
In (1 Corinthians 13), Paul is still dealing with the question of spiritual
gifts. Here he is emphasizing the fact that gifts without graces are nothing.
The fruit of the Spirit (Gal. 5:22-23) is more important in the Christian
life than the miraculous gifts of the Spirit. Whenever the church strives for
miraculous experiences rather than Christian holiness and character,
there will be division, confusion, and carnality.[6]
We find a reference to the Holy Spirit in the second verse of the Bible,
and the teaching goes right the way through. This amazing unity is proof
of the unique, divine inspiration and infallibility of the Scriptures.[7]
One of the major tragedies today is the low spiritual life of the Church,
today or at any time, is largely due to the fact that so many fail to realize
the truth concerning the person and the work of the Holy Spirit.[8]
Who is the Holy Spirit?
In Living Water, the Holy Spirit is referred to as:
"Personality Plus."
What a handy One to have around!
God's Special Agent
The Spirit a Person
The Church's Divine Helper - Here to Help
Director of activities (1 Corinthians 12) - our main focus in this report
The Manifold Grace Of God
(John 14:16, 17 NASB)
Role of the Spirit
16 "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another
?1??a?Helper, that He may be with you forever;
17 that is ?a?the Spirit of truth, ?b?whom the world cannot
receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know
Him because He abides with you and will be in you. [9]
The word Helper (Paraclete) means one called to the side of another to
help. It is also translated Advocate (1 Jn. 2:1).
(1 John 2:1, 2 NASB)
Christ Is Our Advocate
1 ?a?My little children, I am ?b?writing these things to you so that
you may not sin. And if anyone sins, ?c?we have an ?1??d?Advocate
with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous;
2 and He Himself is ?a?the ?1?propitiation for our sins; and not for
ours only, but also ?b?for those of the whole world. [10]
The Lord Jesus is our Advocate or Helper, and the Holy Spirit is another
Helper-not another of a different kind, but another of similar nature.
The Holy Spirit would abide with believers forever.
The Holy Spirit is described as the Holy Spirit in order to differentiate
Him from the other spirits-the evil, or sometimes called the familiar
spirits. That is why we are told to test the spirits and to prove them, and
to know whether they are of God or not (1 John 4:1).[11]
Another translation uses "Comforter": Parakleton, "one summoned along
side to help." Appears 4X in John's Gospel (Jn 14:16,26; 15:26; 16:7)
and is used one time as a title of Christ ("Advocate") in 1 John 2:1.[12]
Com, "to be in company with"; fortis, to strengthen. Comforter = to
strengthen by companionship [Noah = Comfort.]
He is also called "the Spirit of Truth." The Spirit uses the Word to
convict sinners and to direct saints, and God's Word is truth (17:17).
The world cannot receive the Spirit because He comes in response to
faith.[13]
(1 John 4:1 NASB)
Testing the Spirits
1 ?a?Beloved, do not believe every ?b?spirit, but test the spirits to
see whether they are from God, because ?c?many false prophets
have gone out into the world. [14]
Having mentioned the Holy Spirit, John is reminded that there are other
spirits abroad in the world today, and that the children of God need to
be warned against them. Thus he cautions the believer not to trust every
spirit. The word spirit here probably refers primarily to teachers but not
exclusively so. Just because a man speaks about the Bible, God, and
Jesus does not mean that he is a true child of God. We are to test the
spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone
out into the world. These are people who profess to accept Christianity,
but teach another gospel altogether[15]
Your Body is the Temple of the Holy Spirit.
(1 Corinthians 6:19 NASB)
19 Or ?a?do you not know that ?b?your body is a ?1?temple of
the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from ?2?God, and that
?c?you are not your own? [16]
Three Phases of the Holy Spirit.
1. para - to come along side
2. en - indwelling, in you (one of permanent
residence)
3. epi - to come upon (1 Corinthians 12)
(1 Peter 4:10 NASB)
10 ?a?As each one has received a special gift, employ it in serving
one another as good ?b?stewards of the manifold grace of God. [17]
Each believer has received a gift from the Lord, some special function to
perform as a member of the Body of Christ. These gifts are a
stewardship from God. They are not to be used for selfish gain but for
His glory and for the good of others.[18]
His grace reaches us but should not end with us. We are intended to be
channels through whom the blessing can flow to others.
We are to be good stewards of the manifold grace of God. The grace of
God here refers to the undeserved favor which He offers to man.
Manifold literally means multi-colored or variegated. Phillips translates it
"magnificently varied." [19]
Use of the Spiritual Gifts
The Tragedy - Attacks on the Holy Spirit.
The person of the Holy Spirit is not only forgotten by those whom we
describe as liberals or modernists in their theology (that is always true of
them), but we ourselves are often guilty of precisely the same thing. It is
heard in that most people referring to the Holy Spirit and His work as
'it' and 'its' influence and so on, as if the Holy Spirit were nothing but an
influence or a power.
1. One reason for this is that His work seems to be impersonal,
because it is a kind of mystical and secret work. He produced graces
and fruits; He gives us gifts and He gives us various powers. Because of
that, we tend to think of Him as if He were some influence.
2. Another reason is the very name and title tends to produce this
idea. What does Spirit mean? It means breath, wind or power, and
because of that, I think, we tend, almost inevitably and very naturally,
unless we safeguard ourselves, to think of Him as just an influence rather
than a person.
3. A third reason is that the very symbols that are used in speaking of
Him and in describing Him tend to encourage us in that direction. He
descended upon our Lord, as John baptized Him in the Jordan, in the
semblance of a dove (Matthew 3:16). The symbols that are used to
describe Him and His work are oil, water and fire. In particular, there is
the phrase in the prophecy of Joel, which was quoted by Peter in
Jerusalem, on the Day of Pentecost, about the Spirit being poured out
(Acts 2:17). That makes us think of liquid, something like water,
something that can be handled, certainly not a person.[20]
In Living Water, The tragic mistake of the modern church is its
declaration of independence from the Holy Spirit. We have declared that
we no longer need the Spirit to direct our activities.
But the Bible will have none of this. It clearly and firmly teaches that the
Holy Spirit is a Person, the same in essence as the Father and the Son,
yet separate in personality from them both.[21]
The enemy wants to confuse us, especially about the baptism of the Holy
Spirit. Without the Holy Spirit, we would look like a brand new car
without gas.
Seven Things Before Paul Confirms About the Spiritual Gifts
Starting with (1 Corinthians 12):
1. Guidance
1 Corinthians 12:2
Led - carried away by idols
2. Focus
1 Corinthians 12:3
John 15:26; our focus is to be on Jesus
3. Variety
1 Corinthians 12:4
Three types of Gifts:
Romans 12 - dedicated to service
Ephesians 4 - offices (saint gifts)
1 Corinthians 12 - activities
God gives His people varieties of gifts just as players on a team have
varieties of positions.
Varieties (diaireseis) basically means "?apportionments,?"
"?allotments,?" or "?distributions,?" with the derived idea of varieties.
God distributes His gifts in many forms, in many varieties, to His children.
He has a multiplicity of gifts, which are given to every believer. [22]
4. Unity
1 Corinthians 12:6
Same Spirit and same Lord
Unity of spirit and purpose can be maintained only through diversity of
ministry. But unity is not uniformity. A football team whose players all
wanted to play quarterback would have uniformity but not unity. It could
not function as a team if everyone played the same position. [23]
5. Individual
1 Corinthians 12:7,11
To each one in the Body of Christ
6. Giver
1 Corinthians 12:11,27
The Holy Spirit is the giver, "as He wills"
7. Purpose
1 Corinthians 12:13,27
For the profit of all
I. We Belong to Each Other (12:1-20)
The word "charity" means "love" in action (Ref. 1 Corinthians 13). It is
not simply an emotion; it is the heart reaching out to others. "Charity"
today makes us think of giving away old clothes or making gifts to
"charitable institutions." These activities can be Christian love in action,
but Paul is demanding much more. The word he uses for love is agape,
which is love that sacrifices for the good of others.
A. We share the same confession (vv. 1-3).
B. We serve the same God (vv. 4-6).
C. We seek to build the same body (vv. 7-13).
D. We share the same baptism (vv. 14-20).
II. We Need Each Other (12:21-25)
Paul teaches that every member of the body is essential to the life, health,
and growth of the church.
III. We Affect Each Other (12:26-31)
God has given every Christian at least one gift that he or she can and
should share with other believers and in so doing serve them. The gift in
view is evidently one of the so-called spiritual gifts (1 Cor. 12-14; Rom.
12; Eph. 4). "Manifold" means many faceted or variegated. God
bestows His grace on different people in different ways. The gifts (Gr.
charisma) are aspects of God's grace. No Christian can claim that he or
she has nothing to offer the church.166 [24]
It is important that we realize our relationship to one another in the
church. Yes, there are many denominations today, but all true Christians,
indwelt by the Spirit, are members of His body. There can be unity even
where there is not uniformity. Christ never prayed for uniformity in His
church, but for the same spiritual unity that exists between Him and His
Father (John 17:20-23). We should likewise pray for spiritual unity and
do all we can to guard it and extend it (Eph. 4:1ff).[25]
The Gifts of the Holy Spirit (referred to 1 Corinthians 12)
(1 Corinthians 12:1 NLT)
12 Now, dear brothers and sisters,?*? regarding your question about the
special abilities the Spirit gives us. I don't want you to misunderstand
this.[26]
Paul voices this same desire concerning Old Testament typology in (1
Corinthians 10), the Rapture in (1 Thessalonians 4), the tactics of Satan
in ()2 Corinthians 3, and the future of Israel in (Romans 11). The areas
about which Paul wanted believers to be knowledgeable are the very
ones about which believers throughout history have had the most
questions. Thus, his concern was inspired indeed.[27]
The overarching principle concerning the gifts of the Spirit is this: The
true gifts
of the Holy Spirit, when manifested in a scriptural and correct way, will
always
focus people's hearts on Jesus Christ. Jesus said the Spirit would not
testify of
Himself, but of Christ. The scriptural exercise of the gifts will always give
you a
fresh vision of Jesus Christ and His glory, causing you to fall in love with
Him,
and to be drawn to Him all over again. Your heart will almost explode
with love
and appreciation for what Jesus is and what He is able to do.[28]
Paul lists nine gifts (charismata), in this chapter: wisdom, knowledge,
prophecy, faith, healings, miracles, spiritual discernment, speaking in
tongues, and interpretation of tongues.
Note: There are at least 21 in the NT: Some would count administration
and apostleship from this chapter, along with serving, teaching,
encouraging, contributing, leadership, showing mercy (Rom 12:6-8),
celibacy (1 Cor 7:7), evangelism, pastoring (Eph 4:11), and public
service (Acts 6:2-4). I do not believe that any of the "lists" are intended
to be complete, only representative.
Question. Are the Spiritual Gifts for today?
Thought #1 - In the apostles day they needed it to kick start the church,
and now we don't need the gifts of the Holy Spirit as we have the Word
of God.
Some authorities say that in 1 Corinthians 13 Paul was prophesying that
these things would end. But I cannot accept that. I think he is referring to
something much beyond this, to the ultimate glory when we shall see face
to face, when love alone will be left, and even faith and hope will be
turned into sight.[29]
Excerpt from Living Waters:
Did the Gifts Cease?
There are those who say that the miraculous manifestations of God
ceased with
the apostles. They believe God gave the early church this supernatural
power
and these extraordinary manifestations to help get it started in a world
that was
antagonistic toward Jesus Christ. Because they did not have seminaries
and
great cathedrals, they needed a little boost to get started. These people
say that
now that we have great educational facilities and are well organized, we
no
longer need these divine manifestations of the Spirit. We can intellectually
challenge unbelievers, and we can use our apologetics to convince the
world of its need for Jesus Christ.[30]
(1 Corinthians 13 NASB), ( 1 Corinthians 13:8)
The Excellence of Love
1 If I speak with the ?a?tongues of men and of ?b?angels, but do
not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a ?c?clanging
cymbal.[31]
8 Love never fails; but if there are gifts of ?1??a?prophecy, they
will be done away; if there are ?b?tongues, they will cease; if there is
knowledge, it will be done away. [32]
Thought #2 - In a word, YES!
"Is God dead?" A miracle is a supernatural happening. If God is still alive
and still working, then there will be supernatural happenings, and, thus,
the days of miracles cannot be over.[33]
1) The Holy Spirit is immutable.
2) Where does it say they are to terminate?
3) If the gifts are not, what about teaching, et al?
4) Until the "close of the canon?" vs. the Upper Room confirmations.
Three Groupings of Supernatural Gifts
I. Revelatory - Word of Wisdom, Word of Knowledge,
Discerning of Spirits
II. Power - Faith, Healings, Miracles
III. Vocal - Prophecy, Tongues, Interpretation of
Tongues
1. The Word of Wisdom.
(1 Corinthians 12:6 NASB)
8 For to one is given the word of ?a?wisdom through the Spirit,
and to another the word of ?b?knowledge according to the same
Spirit; [34]
The word of wisdom - The direction for action that can only come
from God. We cannot always tap into it,
(spontaneous gifting).
The word of wisdom is the supernatural power to speak with divine
insight, whether in solving difficult problems, defending the faith, resolving
conflicts, giving practical advice, or pleading one's case before hostile
authorities. Stephen so demonstrated the word of wisdom that his
adversaries "were not able to resist the wisdom and the Spirit by which
he spoke" (Acts 6:10).[35]
(Acts 10:19-20 NASB)
19 While Peter was reflecting on ?a?the vision, ?b?the Spirit said
to him, "Behold, ?1?three men are looking for you.
20 "But get up, go downstairs and ?a?accompany them
?1?without misgivings, for I have sent them Myself." [36]
Wisdom (sophia): Divine wisdom, contrasted with human wisdom
(1:17,20,25). One of the "Seven Spirits" of Isa 11:1,2. Fulfilled
in Christ (Lk 2:52); given to Steven (Acts 6:10; cf. Acts 7!); and
available to us all (Jas 1:5).
In the New Testament, wisdom (sophia) is used most often to refer to
the ability to understand God's will and apply it obediently (see, e.g.,
?Matt. 11:19?; ?13:54?; ?Mark 6:2?; ?Luke 7:35?; ?Acts 6:10?;
?James 1:5?; ?3:13?, ?17?; ?2 Pet. 3:15?). Wisdom, then, refers
basically to applying truths discovered, to the ability to make skillful and
practical application of the truth to life situations. Communicating wisdom
is the function of the expositor, who draws not only from his own study
of Scripture but from the many insights and interpretations of
commentators and other Bible scholars. It is also the ability a counselor
must have in order to apply God's truth to the questions and problems
brought to him. It is a feature in the gift of the pastor, who must know,
understand, and be able to apply God's Word in order to lead his
people as he should.[37]
2. The Word of Knowledge.
The word of knowledge - A piece of information that could only come
from God.
?The gift of knowledge is the capability of grasping the meaning of God's
revelation, which is mystery to the natural mind. That gift is foundational
for all Christian teaching and preaching, as well as for the proper
exercise of counseling, leadership, wisdom and all other ministries and
gifts. If a person does not have that ability himself, he must rely heavily
on those who do in order to exercise his own gifts rightly. The teacher or
preacher is especially dependent on knowledge, because he is
commissioned to teach and interpret God's truths to others.[38]
Knowledge (gnosis): It depends not on intellect, but on love; an
intimate personal relationship. Contrast Peter's rhetorical performance
prior to Pente
cost with his two sermons (Acts 2 & 3) after!
(John 4:7-10, 19 NASB)
The Woman of Samaria
7 There ?came a woman of Samaria to draw water. Jesus ??said
to her, "Give Me a drink."
8 For His ?a?disciples had gone away into ?b?the city to buy food.
9 Therefore the ?a?Samaritan woman ?said to Him, "How is it that
You, being a Jew, ask me for a drink since I am a Samaritan
woman?" (For ?b?Jews have no dealings with Samaritans.)
10 Jesus answered and said to her, "If you knew the gift of God,
and who it is who says to you, 'Give Me a drink,' you would have
asked Him, and He would have given you ?a?living water." [39]
...
19 The woman ?said to Him, "?1?Sir, I perceive that You are
?a?a prophet. [40]
The Scripture shows a woman, whom is based on a misunderstanding of
Jesus', and a spiritual intent serves to transport the discussion to deeper
levels of thought.[41]
By divine appointment, God had planned for this sinful woman to meet
Him and find in Him the water of life. In the interview recorded, we see
the different stages by which this woman came to believe in Christ.[42]
There is nothing profounder in the whole of the New Testament than this
interview, it is full of the great meaning of the Gospel of God; we do not
sufficiently grasp its profundity. In it we see Almighty God Incarnate
stooping down to lift up a sinful woman, as a symbol of the way His
salvation is at work among men.[43]
Scripture shows a series of improving titles for Jesus ("Sir," vv. 11, 14;
"Prophet," v. 19; "Christ," vv. 25, 29; "Savior of the world," v. 42); the
woman's testimony converts many in the village (v. 39); and Jesus
remains with them for two days before going north into Galilee
(v. 43).[44]
Living water. In the Old Testament, living or running water was
employed figuratively as a reference to divine activity (Jer. 2:13; Zech.
14:8). See also v. 14 and 7:37-39.[45]
The term "living water" (4:10) was a common reference to spring water
in contrast to that which was found in a cistern (Jeremiah 2:13). Jesus
took this common term and filled it with new meaning, spiritual cleansing
and refreshment through Christ[46]
(Jeremiah 2:13 NASB)
13 "For My people have committed two evils: They have forsaken
Me, The ?a?fountain of living waters, To hew for themselves ?b?cisterns,
Broken cisterns That can hold no water.[47]
Jeremiah compared these with underground water storage devices for
rainwater, which were broken and let water seep out, thus proving
useless.[48]
It is clearly stated that the expression "living water" refers to the Holy
Spirit.[49]
Jesus speaks of living water-water of life-but she takes this to mean
literal water. How typical of the sinner, confusing the physical and the
spiritual![50]
Jesus points out to her that the things of the world do not satisfy, and
men without Christ will always "thirst again." Jesus promises that the
water of life will spring up within the heart and keep us constantly
refreshed and satisfied: and the woman, still confused, asked for that
water.[51]
The human writers of Scripture had the gift of knowledge in a unique
way. God gave them truths directly, which they recorded as part of His
written Word. Any word of divine knowledge or wisdom must be based
on the Word of God, "?once for all delivered?" (?Jude 3?).[52]
(Jude 3 NASB)
3 ?a?Beloved, while I was making every effort to write you about
our ?b?common salvation, I felt the necessity to write to you
appealing that you ?c?contend earnestly for ?d?the faith which was
once for all ?e?handed down to ?f?the ?1?saints. [53]
4. Discerning of Spirits
Discerning - When you get a check in your heart about a person.
Scripture It tells us there are two worlds coexisting, each passing through
the other. For the most part, we are not conscious of that other world -
but it is very conscious of us. The Bible calls it the world of spirits. This
spiritual world is very real, and has a tremendous influence on all of our
lives, either for good or for evil.[54]
· Kingdom of Light - our side
· Kingdom of Darkness - wants to destroy
Against
Our Physical Life
Kingdom of Light.
(Hebrews 1:14 NASB)
14 Are they not all ?a?ministering spirits, sent out to render service
for the sake of those who will ?b?inherit ?c?salvation? [55]
The mission of the angels is not to rule but to serve. They are spirit
beings whom God has created to minister for those who will inherit
salvation.[56]
Whose servants? Ours, for we are the heirs of salvation..
· In (Psalm 91:11), we read of their protective work.
· In (Luke 15), we see them rejoicing over saved sinners.
· In (Luke 16), we see them carrying people to their eternal
state.
· In (Acts 5 and 12), we see them delivering Peter and other
apostles from prison.
Angels do, indeed, have a ministry, but the ministry is to us.[57]
Kingdom of Darkness.
(Ephesians 6:10-20)
Armor of God
· Military Level - Warning
The body is at war with a spiritual enemy. We do not just walk, but we
also war.
"Sooner or later every believer discovers that the Christian life is a
battleground, not a playground, and that he faces an enemy who is much
stronger than he is, apart from
the Lord."153 [58]
The believer must put on the whole armor of God that he may be able to
stand against the schemes of the devil. It is necessary to be completely
armed; one or two pieces will not do. The devil has various stratagems,
discouragement, frustration, confusion, moral failure, and doctrinal error.
He knows our weakest point and aims for it. If he cannot disable us by
one method, he will try for another. [59]
(2 Corinthians 11:14 NASB)
14 No wonder, for even ?a?Satan disguises himself as an ?b?angel
of light. [60]
We shouldn't be surprised when false teachers seem to live so
righteously, when their standards seem to be so moral, when they stress
the importance of family and separation from the defilement of the world.
We shouldn't be surprised that their TV commercials sound so right and
look so warm and fuzzy, nor that their temple in Salt Lake City glows
with light, for Paul says Satan himself transforms into an angel of light.
You see, Satan will go either way with people. If people want to be dark
and devilish and heavy, he'll meet them there. But if people want to be
exemplary and upstanding, he'll meet them there. As an angel of light,
he'll say, "You don't need to admit you're a sinner and need a Savior.
Just live morally."[61]
Perhaps by way of illustration we might say he poses as a minister of the
gospel, wearing religious clothing, and standing in the pulpit of a
fashionable church. He uses religious words such as God, Jesus, and the
Bible. But he deludes his hearers, teaching that salvation is by good
works or by human merit. He does not preach redemption through the
blood of Christ. [62]
(1 John 4:1 NASB)
Testing the Spirits
1 ?a?Beloved, do not believe every ?b?spirit, but test the spirits to
see whether they are from God, because ?c?many false prophets
have gone out into the world. [63]
John is reminded that there are other spirits abroad in the world today,
and that the children of God need to be warned against them. Thus he
cautions the believer not to trust every spirit.[64]
The Danger of Immaturity (Warning)
(Hebrews 5:14 NASB)
14 But solid food is for ?a?the mature, who because of practice
have their senses ?b?trained to ?c?discern good and evil. [65]
Spiritual babies lack information, which they do, but that they lack
experience. A person becomes a mature Christian not only by gaining
information, though that is foundational, but by using that information to
make decisions that are in harmony with God's will. [66]
"One of the first symptoms of spiritual regression, or backsliding, is a
dullness toward the Bible. Sunday School class is dull, the preaching is
dull, anything spiritual is dull. The problem is usually not with the Sunday
School teacher or the pastor, but with the believer himself."163 [67]
Examples:
(Acts 8:10-20) Excerpt:
18 Now when Simon saw that the Spirit was bestowed through
the laying on of the apostles' hands, he offered them money,
19 saying, "Give this authority to me as well, so that everyone on
whom I lay my hands may receive the Holy Spirit." [68]
Simon the sorcerer was willing to pay for the gift of the Holy Spirit. His
heart was not right.
(Acts 16:16 NASB)
16 It happened that as we were going to ?a?the place of prayer, a
slave-girl having ?b?a spirit of divination met us, who was bringing her
masters much profit by fortune-telling. [69]
The spirit of divination was in the slave girl. False prophets often speak
the truth.
č Be like Bereans.
(Acts 17:11 NASB)
11 Now these were more noble-minded than those in
?a?Thessalonica, ?1?for they received the word with ?2?great
eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things
were so. [70]
The Bereans listened to Paul as he taught in the synagogue. Every day,
they searched the Scriptures, saying, "Let's check out the teaching
Paul's giving. Let's consider what he's saying as it relates to the
Scriptures." And because the Bereans searched the Scriptures daily,
they have been noted throughout the ages as being noble.[71]
4. Faith.
Faith - Three types of faith:
· Saving Faith - does not grow - to the believer
· Promising Faith - does grow - trust in the
promises of God
o Word of God (Our responsibility to read and study)
o Experiencing the faith of God (Jude 20)
· Healing Faith - it just happens
Faith (v.9): Not the "saving faith," but an unshakable trust that God will
perform miracles. Peter and John in opposing the Sanhedrin,
preaching the gospel, healing the cripple (Acts 3:1-4:2). Paul's
call to Rome (Acts 23:11), his behavior during the storm on the
Mediterranean Sea (Acts 27:23-26, 34), etc. Hebrews 11, et al.
Even Elijah was "a man like us." (Jas 5:17-18).
(Jude 20-21 NASB)
20 But you, ?a?beloved, ?b?building yourselves up on your most
holy ?a?faith, ?c?praying in the Holy Spirit,
21 keep yourselves in the love of God, ?a?waiting anxiously for the
mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to eternal life. [72]
Jude gives four steps:
1. The first is building yourselves up on your most holy faith, that is,
the Christian faith. We build up ourselves on it by studying and obeying
the Bible. Constant familiarity with the word guides us positively in the
way of righteousness, and warns us against the perils along the way.
"Men may decry doctrine,"
H. Pickering says, "but it is creed that produces character and not
character that produces creed." [73]
2. The second step is praying in the Holy Spirit. This means to pray
as guided by the Spirit, in accordance with the will of God as revealed in
the Bible or as privately revealed by the Spirit in a subjective way to the
believer. It is in contrast to prayers which are recited mechanically or
spun off without any real spiritual involvement. [74]
3. Then again believers are to keep themselves in the love of God.
Here the love of God can be compared to the sunshine. The sun is
always shining. But when something comes between us and the sun, we
are no longer in the sunshine. That's the way it is with the love of God. It
is always beaming down upon us. But if sin comes between us and the
Lord, then we are no longer enjoying His love in practice. [75]
And if sin should come between, then we should confess and forsake
that sin immediately. The secret is to let nothing come between us and
God.[76]
(1 John 1:9 NASB)
9 ?a?If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive
us our sins and ?b?to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.[77]
4. Finally, we should be eagerly looking for the mercy of our Lord
Jesus Christ unto eternal life. The mercy of our Lord here refers to His
imminent return to take His people home to heaven. In days of darkness
and apostasy, we are to keep the light of the blessed hope burning in our
hearts. It will prove a comforting and purifying hope
(1 Thess. 4:18; 1 Jn. 3:3). [78]
5. Healing
Healing - Faith that is linked to a healing and just happens (1 Corinthians
12). It is not a reserve, it just drops in.
Healing (James 5:14-15): Not a permanent gift, but a sovereign
manifestation of the Spirit. Even Paul's own "thorn in the flesh"
went unhealed (2 Cor 12:9). Furthermore, he indirectly admits
that he lacked the ability to heal either Epaphroditus (Phil 2:27),
Timothy (1 Tim 5:23), or Trophimus (2 Tim 4:20). We should
not cease asking (Heb 4:16; Jas 5:16).
· Trusting in the Providence of God
· Spontaneous
(Mark 2:5 NASB)
5 And Jesus seeing their faith ?said to the paralytic, "?1?Son, ?a?your
sins are forgiven." [79]
Jesus, impressed by their faith,. . . said to the paralytic, "Son, your sins
are forgiven."
(James 5:14-15 NASB)
14 Is anyone among you sick? Then he must call for ?a?the elders
of the church and they are to pray over him, ?1??b?anointing him with
oil in the name of the Lord;
15 and the ?a?prayer ?1?offered in faith will ?2??b?restore the one
who is sick, and the Lord will ?c?raise him up, and if he has
committed sins, ?3?they will be forgiven him. [80]
If these were the only verses in the Bible on healing, we would assume
that a Christian could be assured of healing from every illness that comes
in life, if he met the conditions listed. However, we have already seen
from other Scriptures that it is not always God's will to heal. Therefore
we are forced to the conclusion that James is not talking about every
kind of illness, but only about a certain form of sickness, that is, a
sickness which is the result of certain specific circumstances. The key to
understanding the passage is found in the words "And if he has
committed sins, he will be forgiven." Healing in this section is connected
with the forgiveness of sins.[81]
Additional examples:
(Acts 28:8 NASB)
8 And it happened that the father of Publius was lying in bed
afflicted with recurrent fever and dysentery; and Paul went in to see
him and after he had ?a?prayed, he ?b?laid his hands on him and
healed him. [82]
In this verse, the word: "healed" is
Strong's # 2390 ???µa? [iaomai /ee·ah·om·ahee/] translates as "heal" 1
to cure, heal. 2 to make whole.[83] An instant physical healing.
While in verse:
(Acts 28:9 NASB)
9 After this had happened, the rest of the people on the island who
had diseases were coming to him and getting cured. [84]
Is Strong's # 2323 ?e?ape?? [therapeuo /ther·ap·yoo·o/] 1 to serve, do
service. 2 to heal, cure, restore to health.[85] A person who cares for
the sick. A gradual healing.
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6. Miracles
Miracles - A spontaneous gift; something humanly impossible,
but divinely possible (simple).
Miracles (v.10): More miracles took place during Jesus' ministry
than at any other time in Biblical history. The supreme one being
the resurrection which will be the subject of Chapter 15. Miracles
were the distinctive mark of an apostle (2 Cor 12:12). They were
used to confirm the message of the gospel (Acts 6:8; 8:7; 13:6-
12; Heb 2:4).
Examples:
· Changed Lives
· The atomic structure of the atom
(Colossians 1:16-17 NASB)
16 For ?1??a?by Him all things were created, ?a?both in the
heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether ?b?thrones or
dominions or rulers or authorities-?c?all things have been created
through Him and for Him.
17 He ?1??a?is before all things, and in Him all things ?2?hold
together.[86]
An interesting law of science known as Coulomb's Law of Electricity
says that like charges repel. You can prove Coulomb's Law by pushing
the positive ends of two magnets toward each other and feeling them
repel each other. Opposite charges attract; like charges repel. But here's
a great mystery: In the nucleus of the atom, protons are packed together
that are all positive-charged particles. [87]
What keeps these positive-charged protons from repelling like the
magnets? What holds them together? Science doesn't know. You can
study Quantum Physics and learn lots of hypotheses and theories, yet to
this day, it's a mystery to scientists-but not to believers, for Scripture
tells us the real answer. It is Jesus Christ who holds all things together.
And the day is coming when suddenly He will let go.[88]
Why Aren't We Not Seeing More Miracles in the Church?
In a word: Unbelief.
(Matthew 13:57-58 NASB)
57 And they took ?a?offense at Him. But Jesus said to them,
"?b?A prophet is not without honor except in his ?1?hometown and
in his own household."
58 And He did not do many ?1?miracles there because of their
unbelief. [89]
The reason for this was, "their unbelief" (the only occurrence of the word
in Matthew). This unbelief interprets the sense in which they were
scandalized by Jesus (v 57a). Jesus will not perform miracles in order to
counteract unbelief.[90]
The primary mistake of the people of Nazareth was their automatic
limitation of Jesus to the familiar framework in which they had previously
known him. This made them unable to evaluate Jesus in terms of his
message and deeds. It made impossible a fair consideration of who Jesus
was and what he had come to offer. Familiarity with Jesus became a
liability, since he was thereby forced into a preconceived framework. In
this respect outsiders have a distinct advantage.[91]
"Jesus led a perfect life and still had family members and friends who
struggled to believe. Sometimes those most difficult to reach are those
who know us best."578 [92]
The progression of events in these case usually follow:
Fear comes in ŕ Doubt ŕ Unbelief
(Mark 6:5-6 NASB)
5 And He could do no ?1?miracle there except that He ?a?laid His
hands on a few sick people and healed them.
6 And He wondered at their unbelief. a?And He was going around
the villages teaching. [93]
Jesus' inability to do any "mighty work" (d??aµ??) points to the nature of
his ministry. Their unbelieving response (6:6a) precluded his working
among them, since his work was a "redemptive event". Jesus did not
come as a magician or a miracle worker to display and dazzle his
audience. His "words" and his "work" were from God. Those who
rejected this inherent claim in his ministry could not experience God's
redemptive work on their behalf. [94]
The unbelief of the people amazed Him. J. G. Miller warns:
Such unbelief as this has immense consequences for evil. It closes the
channels of grace and mercy, so that only a trickle gets through to human
lives in need.? 9 [95]
(Hebrews 11:6 NASB)
6 And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who
?a?comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder
of those who seek Him. [96]
For examples, look at the accounts of Noah and Abraham.
7. Prophecy - speaking forth the Word of God thru the
Holy Spirit.
· Like channeling the Spirit of God to others.
encourages, edifies, comforts, also edifies the church.
1- edification - building up; to promote growth.
Strong's # 3619 ????d?µ? [oikodome /oy·kod·om·ay/] 1 (the act of)
building, building up. 2 metaph. edifying, edification. 2a the act of one
who promotes another's growth in Christian wisdom, piety, happiness,
holiness. 3 a building (i.e. the thing built, edifice).[97]
2- exhortation - to challenge a person to grow; stretching; it may hurt
a little;
to be a doer of the Word.
Strong's # 3874 pa?????s?? [paraklesis /par·ak·lay·sis/] 1 a calling near,
summons, (esp. for help). 2 importation, supplication, entreaty. 3
exhortation, admonition, encouragement.[98]
3- Comfort - is spoken to stimulate something to be done in an
ordinary maner.
Strong's # 3889 pa?aµ???a [paramuthia /par·am·oo·thee·ah/] 1 any
address, whether made for the purpose of persuading, or of arousing and
stimulating, or of calming and consoling. 1a consolation, comfort.[99]
· Forth telling, (not foretelling)
Prophecy: "Forthtelling," a key element at Corinth (as seen in 1
Corinthians
Chapter 11). Sometimes predictions (Agabus, Acts 11:28;21:11) or to
interpret God's Will to the church (Eph 4:11). Prophetic utterances are
always to be judged by Scripture (Acts 17:11). God's Word is always
the standard.
Example: With Moses and Elijah 25 percent was foretelling about future
events, and the rest was forth telling.
Tests:
· Does it line up with the Word of God?
· Does it glorify Jesus?
(Revelation 19:10 NASB)
... For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy." [100]
8. Tongues
Tongues - An affront to the intellect, and a blessing to the soul.
- Chuck Smith
Tongues: Speaking in unknown tongues often accompanied the epi
relationship (Acts 2, 10,19).
· Tongues of men - the ability to speak fluently in a
foreign language, thru the agency of the
Holy Spirit.
· Tongues of angels - not understood by men; speaking
by yourself to the Lord.
The Holy Spirit is a gentleman. He does not force Himself upon you, and
He is not the author of confusion.
Tongues of men.
(Acts 19:6 NASB)
6 And when Paul had ?a?laid his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit
came on them, and they began ?b?speaking with tongues and
?c?prophesying. [101]
Strong's # 1100 ???ssa [glossa /gloce·sah/] 1a the language or dialect
used by a particular people distinct from that of other nations. 1 to
explain in words, expound. 2 to interpret. 2a to translate what has been
spoken or written in a foreign tongue into the vernacular.[102]
9. Interpretation of Tongues
Strong's # 2058 from 2059 ??µ??e?? [hermeneuo /her·mayn·yoo·o/]
From a presumed derivative of 2060 (as the God of language); 1 to
explain in words, expound. 2 to interpret. 2a to translate what has been
spoken or written in a foreign tongue into the vernacular.[103]
(1 Corinthians 12:10 NASB)
10 and to another the ?1?effecting of ?2??a?miracles, and to
another ?b?prophecy, and to another the ?3??c?distinguishing of
spirits, to another various ?d?kinds of tongues, and to another the
?e?interpretation of tongues. [104]
The interpretation of tongues is the miraculous power to understand a
language which the person has never known before and to convey the
message in the local language.
It is perhaps significant that this list of gifts begins with those that are
connected primarily with the intellect and closes with those dealing
primarily with the emotions.[105]
(1 Corinthians 4:26-28 NASB)
26 ?a?What is the outcome then, ?b?brethren? When you
assemble, ?c?each one has a ?d?psalm, has a ?e?teaching, has a
?e?revelation, has a ?f?tongue, has an ?g?interpretation. Let ?h?all
things be done for edification.
27 If anyone speaks in a ?a?tongue, it should be by two or at the
most three, and each in turn, and one must ?b?interpret;
28 but if there is no interpreter, he must keep silent in the church;
and let him speak to himself and to God. [106]
Because of the abuses that had entered the church in connection with the
gift of tongues, it was necessary for the Spirit of God to set forth certain
regulations to control the use of this gift.[107]
Corinthian believers seemed to do everything. Whether they had a
psalm, a teaching, a revelation, a tongue, or an interpretation, they all
wanted to participate at the same time. They were not interested in
serving, or learning, or edifying, but only in self-expression and
self-glory. Everyone vied for attention and preeminence.[108]
(Daniel 5:24-28 NASB)
24 "Then the ?1??a?hand was sent from Him and this inscription
was written out.
25 "Now this is the inscription that was written out: '?1?MENE,
?1?MENE, ?2?TEKEL, ?3?UPHARSIN.'
26 "This is the interpretation of the ?1?message: 'MENE'-God
has numbered your kingdom and ?a?put an end to it.
27 " 'TEKEL'-you have been ?a?weighed on the scales and
found deficient.
28 " 'PERES'-your kingdom has been divided and given over to
the ?a?Medes and ?1?Persians." [109]
Notice that the interpretation is longer than the words them themselves.
That's the difference between translation and interpretation.
(1 Corinthians 14:1-4 NASB)
Prophecy a Superior Gift
1 ?a?Pursue love, yet ?b?desire earnestly ?c?spiritual gifts, but
especially that you may ?d?prophesy.
2 For one who ?a?speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but
to God; for no one ?1?understands, but ?2?in his spirit he speaks
?b?mysteries.
3 But one who prophesies speaks to men for ?a?edification and
?b?exhortation and consolation.
4 One who ?a?speaks in a tongue ?b?edifies himself; but one who
?c?prophesies ?b?edifies the church. [110]
The Inferiority of Tongues (14:1-25).
Some want us to believe that the gift of tongues is a mark of superior
spirituality, and that Christians cannot truly be spiritual as long as they
neglect this gift. Paul teaches exactly the opposite! He gives three
reasons why tongues are an inferior gift.[111]
A. Tongues do not edify (build up) the church (vv. 1-19).
We must keep in mind that spiritual gifts have as their purpose the
building up of the church of Jesus Christ (12:7) and not the personal
enjoyment of the believer. Gifts are for employment, not enjoyment. In
this section, Paul contrasts tongues and prophecy. Prophecy, you will
recall, was the giving forth of the truth of God under the immediate
leading of the Holy Spirit. It is not identical to preaching, because the
preacher interprets the written Word as instructed by the Spirit; he does
not speak the very Word of God.
Note the contrasts:
Prophecy
Tongues
1. Speaks to men for their good, v. 3
1. Speaks to God for the speaker's own good, v. 2
2. Can be understood, vv. 2, 5
2. Not understood unless there is an interpreter
3. Edifies the church, vv. 3-4
3. Edifies the speaker, v. 4
4. The greater gift, vv.
4. The lesser gift, v. 5 (note 12:10)
Paul makes it clear that tongues, apart from utterances that are
interpreted, are of no value to the church. For that matter, they bring no
personal blessing to the speaker himself unless he understands what is
being said (vv. 14-15). Those who say that Christians should practice
this gift in private ignore what Paul says here. In the first place, how can
we edify the church if we use our spiritual gifts in private and not to serve
others? And, second, if we do not understand what is being said, how
can we profit from it ourselves? It is possible for the flesh and the devil to
imitate spiritual gifts and lead a believer into a religion of shallow
emotionalism instead of one of solid understanding and faith. This is not
to deny the place of sincere emotions in the Christian life, for the fruits of
the Spirit certainly involve the emotions (Gal. 5:22-23); these emotions,
however, must be instructed by the mind and controlled by the will, or
they will be destructive.
B. Tongues do not edify the believer (vv. 20-21).
Some suggest that the gift of tongues is a mark of spiritual maturity and of
a deeper Christian life; but Paul says just the opposite. The Christians at
Corinth were "babes in Christ" and "carnal" (3:1-4). They boasted of
their "spirituality" (8:1-2; 10:12), yet had to be warned by Paul and
taught in the most elementary manner. In 13:8-13, Paul explains that
their passion for emotional spiritual gifts was a mark of infancy and not
maturity. Mature believers have the Spirit and the Word and seek no
emotional "crutches" to prop them up. Dr. M. R. DeHaan has an
interesting view of 14:22 that backs up this teaching. He says that "them
that believe" (v. 22) refers to spiritual Christians who live by faith in
God's Word, while "them that believe not" refers to immature believers
without strong faith. God has to give emotional signs to immature
Christians to bolster their faith, but the mature believer builds his life on
the Word.
C. Tongues do not win the lost (vv. 22-25).
In Acts 2, God gave the apostles the gift of tongues that they might share
the Word with the Jews at Pentecost. It was a sign to the Jews that God
was at work, fulfilling Isa. 28:11-12. We find incidents involving tongues
four times in Acts, and each time they give evidence to Jews present that
God is working: (1) Acts 2; tongues are evidence to the unbelieving Jews
at Pentecost; (2) Acts 8; evidence to the believing Jews that the Spirit
had come upon the Samaritans; (3) Acts 10; evidence that the Spirit had
come upon the Gentiles; (4) Acts 19; evidence that the twelve Ephesian
men had received the Spirit. But tongues would never reach the
unbeliever for the Lord, especially the confusion of tongues that existed
at Corinth. It was another Babel! Far better that the unbelieving visitor
should hear a message from the Word, something he can understand,
and then make his decision for Christ, than hear a confusion of messages
he cannot grasp.[112]
The Spirit of God never works apart from or contrary to the Word of
God, and nowhere is this principle needed more than in the area of
spiritual gifts. We cannot be guided by somebody's subjective emotional
experience, but we can be guided by the unchanging objective Word of
God.
Note the basic principles for spiritual worship that Paul gives to the
church:
1.) The teaching and preaching of the Word takes precedence over
everything else.
2.) The church must be built up.
3.) There must be nothing that would hurt the testimony before
unbelievers.
4.) There must always be self-control.
5.) Everything must be done "decently and in order," following the
Word of God.
6.) Women are not to exercise authority over men.
7.) There must be understanding before there can be blessing.
It is evident from Scripture that there was an informality about the
meetings of the early church. We must avoid formality on one hand and
fanaticism on the other. It is a fine line to toe. A planned service is not an
unspiritual service, for the same Spirit can lead in the planning
beforehand just as He can lead in the service itself. But even in a planned
service, we must make room for the Spirit to lead, lest we grieve Him.
[113]
The chief end of man is to glorify Christ and enjoy Him forever.
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Appendix
References to the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit Relating to the Father.
There are the many names that relate Him to the Father; lets enumerate
some of them:
The Spirit of God (Gen. 1:2);
the Spirit of the Lord (Luke 4:18);
the Spirit of our God (1 Cor. 6:11). Then another is,
the Spirit of the Lord God, which is in Isaiah 61:1.
Our Lord speaks, in Matthew 10:20, of the Spirit of your Father,
while Paul refers to the Spirit of the living God (2 Cor. 3:3).
My Spirit, says God, in Genesis 6:3,
and the psalmist asks, 'Whither shall I go from thy Spirit?' (Ps. 139:7).
He is referred to as his Spirit-God's Spirit-in Numbers 11:29; and
Paul, in Romans 8:11, uses the phrase the Spirit of him [God the Father]
that raised up Jesus from the dead.
All these are descriptive titles referring to the Holy Spirit in terms of His
relationship to the Father.[114]
The Holy Spirit Relating to the Son.
The titles that relate the Holy Spirit to the Son.
First, 'If any man have not the Spirit of Christ he is none of his' (Rom.
8:9), which is a most important phrase. The word 'Spirit' here refers to
the Holy Spirit.?1?
In Philippians 1:19, Paul speaks about the Spirit of Jesus Christ, and
in Galatians 4:6 he says, 'God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son'.
Finally He is referred to as the Spirit of the Lord (Acts 5:9).[115]
The Holy Spirit as Direct or Personal Title.
Finally, the third group comprises the direct or personal titles, and first
and foremost here, of course, is the name Holy Spirit[116]
The Spirit of holiness. Romans 1:4 reads, 'Declared to be the Son of
God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection
from the dead.'
A further title is the Holy One: 'But ye have an unction from the Holy
One' (1 John 2:20).
In Hebrews 9:14 He is referred to as the eternal Spirit and
Paul says in Romans 8:2, 'For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus
hath made me free from the law of sin and death.'
In John 14:17 He is called the Spirit of truth, and
in chapters 14, 15 and 16 of John's Gospel, He is referred to as the
Comforter.[117]
These are the main names, or descriptive titles, that apply to the Holy
Spirit.
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[1]Courson, J. (2003). Jon Courson's Application Commentary (502).
Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson.
a Is 44:3; 55:1; 58:11
1 Lit out of his belly
b John 4:10
[2]New American Standard Bible : 1995 update. 1995 (Jn 7:38).
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[3]MacDonald, W., & Farstad, A. (1997, c1995). Believer's Bible
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Nelson.
[4] Smith, Chuck, Living Water, Word for Today (copyright © 1996),
ISBN: 0936728779
About the Author: Chuck Smith is the senior pastor of Calvary Chapel of
Costa Mesa one of the largest and most dynamic churches in the United
States. His Bible studies are heard on The Word for Today radio
program, which is broadcast daily on hundreds of stations throughout the
U.S., and by internet around the world. He is the author of many books
on the deeper walk, and known for his simple teaching style whereby he
makes the word of God understandable to all.
[5] Wiersbe, W. W. (1997, c1992). Wiersbe's expository outlines on
the New Testament (457). Wheaton, Ill.: Victor Books
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Crossways Books.
[8]Lloyd-Jones, D. M. (1997). God the Holy Spirit (6). Wheaton, Ill.:
Crossways Books.
1 Gr Paracletos, one called alongside to help; or Comforter, Advocate,
Intercessor
a John 7:39; 14:26; 15:26; 16:7; Rom 8:26; 1 John 2:1
a John 15:26; 16:13; 1 John 4:6; 5:7
b 1 Cor 2:14
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a John 13:33; Gal 4:19; 1 John 2:12, 28; 3:7, 18; 4:4; 5:21
b 1 John 1:4
c Rom 8:34; 1 Tim 2:5; Heb 7:25; 9:24
1 Gr Paracletos, one called alongside to help; or Intercessor
d John 14:16
a Rom 3:25; Heb 2:17; 1 John 4:10
1 Or satisfaction
b John 4:42; 11:51f; 1 John 4:14
[10]New American Standard Bible : 1995 update. 1995 (1 Jn 2:1-2).
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[11]Lloyd-Jones, D. M. (1997). God the Holy Spirit (8). Wheaton, Ill.:
Crossways Books.
[12] Missler, Chuck Dr., The Gospel of John, (Koinonia House, Inc. ©
1994), ISBN 1-880532-12-3, http://khouse.org/
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the New Testament (Page 250). Wheaton, Ill.: Victor Books.
a 3 John 11
b Jer 29:8; 1 Cor 12:10; 1 Thess 5:20f; 2 Thess 2:2
c Jer 14:14; 2 Pet 2:1; 1 John 2:18
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a 1 Cor 6:3
b John 2:21; 1 Cor 3:16; 2 Cor 6:16
1 Or sanctuary
2 Or God? And you...own
c Rom 14:7f
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a Rom 12:6f
b 1 Cor 4:1
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166 166. For defense of the view that spiritual gifts are ministries rather
than abilities, see Kenneth Berding, "Confusing Word and Concept in
'Spiritual Gifts': Have We Forgotten James Barr's Exhortations?"
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* Greek brothers.
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a 1 Cor 12:10
b 2 Cor 12:4; Rev 14:2
c Ps 150:5
[31]New American Standard Bible : 1995 update. 1995 (1 Co 13:1).
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b 1 Cor 13:1
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a 1 Cor 2:6; 2 Cor 1:12
b Rom 15:14; 1 Cor 2:11, 16; 2 Cor 2:14; 4:6; 8:7; 11:6
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a Acts 10:3
b Acts 8:29
1 One early ms reads two
a Acts 15:7-9
1 Lit doubting nothing
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b John 4:5, 39
a Luke 9:52
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?a? Ps 36:9; Jer 17:13; John 4:14
?b? Jer 14:3
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a Heb 6:9; Jude 1, 17, 20
b Titus 1:4
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f Acts 9:13
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a Ps 103:20f; Dan 7:10
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a Matt 4:10; Eph 6:12; Col 1:13
b Col 1:12
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a 3 John 11
b Jer 29:8; 1 Cor 12:10; 1 Thess 5:20f; 2 Thess 2:2
c Jer 14:14; 2 Pet 2:1; 1 John 2:18
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a 1 Cor 2:6; Eph 4:13; Heb 6:1
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a Acts 16:13
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10:13; Is 8:19
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a Acts 17:1
1 Lit who received
2 Lit all
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a Jude 3
b Col 2:7; 1 Thess 5:11
c Eph 6:18
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a Ps 32:5; Prov 28:13
b Titus 2:14
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1 Lit child
a Matt 9:2
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a Acts 11:30
1 Lit having anointed
b Mark 6:13; 16:18
a James 1:6
1 Lit of
2 Or save
b 1 Cor 1:21; James 5:20
c John 6:39; 2 Cor 4:14
3 Lit it
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a Acts 9:40; James 5:14f
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1 Or in
a Eph 1:10
b Eph 1:20f; Col 2:15
c John 1:3; Rom 11:36; 1 Cor 8:6
1 Or has existed prior to
a John 1:1; 8:58
2 Or endure
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a Matt 11:6
b Mark 6:4; Luke 4:24; John 4:44
1 Or own part of the country
1 Or works of power
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578 578. Bailey, The New . . ., p. 30.
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1 Or work of power
a Mark 5:23
a Matt 9:35; Mark 1:39; 10:1; Luke 13:22
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a Heb 7:19
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b Mark 16:17; Acts 2:4; 10:46
c Acts 13:1
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1 Lit effects
2 Or works of power
a 1 Cor 12:28f; Gal 3:5
b 1 Cor 11:4; 13:2, 8
3 Lit distinguishings
c 1 Cor 14:29; 1 John 4:1
d Mark 16:17; 1 Cor 12:28, 30; 13:1; 14:2ff
e 1 Cor 12:30; 14:26
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a 1 Cor 14:15
b Rom 1:13
c 1 Cor 12:8-10
d Eph 5:19
e 1 Cor 14:6
f 1 Cor 14:2
g 1 Cor 12:10; 14:5, 13, 27f
h Rom 14:19
a 1 Cor 14:2
b 1 Cor 12:10; 14:5, 13, 26ff
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1 Lit palm of the hand
a Dan 5:5
1 Or a mina (50 shekels) from verb "to number"
2 Or a shekel from verb "to weigh"
3 Or and half-shekels (sing: peres) from verb "to divide"
1 Lit word
a Is 13:6, 17-19; Jer 50:41-43
a Job 31:6; Ps 62:9
a Is 13:17; 21:2; 45:1, 2; Dan 5:31; 6:8, 28; Acts 2:9
1 Aram: Paras
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a 1 Cor 16:14
b 1 Cor 12:31; 14:39
c 1 Cor 12:1
d 1 Cor 13:2
a Mark 16:17; 1 Cor 12:10, 28, 30; 13:1; 14:18ff
1 Lit hears
2 Or by the Spirit
b 1 Cor 13:2
a Rom 14:19; 1 Cor 14:5, 12, 17, 26
b Acts 4:36
a Mark 16:17; 1 Cor 12:10, 28, 30; 13:1; 14:18ff, 26f
b Rom 14:19; 1 Cor 14:5, 12, 17, 26
c 1 Cor 13:2
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1 See the translation in the New International Version and the references
in various commentaries. (Ed.)
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[116]Lloyd-Jones, D. M. (1997). God the Holy Spirit (7). Wheaton, Ill.:
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"St. Jackanapes" <larry_j...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:11pq6t....@news.alt.net...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >I have firsthand experience in criminal proceedings on both sides of
> > > > > > > > >the coin.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Okay, let's have the shootout. Lay out your experience and I'll follow
> > > > > > > > with mine. May the better non-lawyer win.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Those who live by the sword, die by the sword." -- LORD Jesus Christ
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Amen.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > HE wins :-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Suggested reading:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Christ.asp
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict
> > > > > > > you:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
> > > > > >
>
>
> May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier)
> than ever.